From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 1 10:21:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61ELNXJ012546 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:21:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l61ELLiW015367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:21:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l61EKp4O065659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61EKlkM028222; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:20:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l61EKiYI028153 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDJRQAFA3GKSQA for (sender ); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgjgYXmdMGKxYIka8qyO2yTk= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MRKRGEU9; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 07:19:29 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:18:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Luttrell Psalter Period Query Message-ID: <20070701.071839.1968.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 10:5:617524776 X-MAIL-INFO: 115ef797f7abdadbabda9a3ada9a23e3bffbba4a3b3ffbbba7c33b07bb4f7e9bbbbe2acf5e0b5eafde9aaada5e3a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17794877-cda9-439d-87c6-0f0c09257b0a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4687B861.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think it's artistic license. Arlys On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:08:54 +0100 Suzi Clarke writes: > > On behalf of a costuming colleague, as I don't know much about this > period > > "I have a query about 14th century hose. Some of the illustrations > in > >the Psalter show men wearing hose without shoes or boots. Can you > >direct me to any information about this practice - or am I just > >misinterpreting the images?" > > Can anyone help - I will pass on information. > > Also, can anyone remind me how one joins please - my colleague would > > like to join us. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 1 12:42:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61GgePX017762 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:42:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l61GgbnG005510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:42:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l61Gg1Xo084406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61Gfroc018196; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61GfkMk018133 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.241.191] Received: from [75.45.241.191] (adsl-75-45-241-191.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.241.191]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l61Gf2or005541 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 09:41:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070630210647.0281ae68@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <000f01c7b8db$4744fa80$60d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> <7.0.1.0.2.20070630210647.0281ae68@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Luttrell Psalter Period Query Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:41:32 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c6fa937-a514-4f3f-b6c7-3eb89bfa8400 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4687D97D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Some 15th-century hose were built with soles so one didn't need to wear shoes. I don't know about 14th-century hose, but it's possible that it was done that way earlier as well. To join the list, simply click on the url at the bottom of the message. Subscription instructions are there. Melanie Schuessler On Jun 30, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > On behalf of a costuming colleague, as I don't know much about this > period > > "I have a query about 14th century hose. Some of the illustrations in > >the Psalter show men wearing hose without shoes or boots. Can you > >direct me to any information about this practice - or am I just > >misinterpreting the images?" > > Can anyone help - I will pass on information. > > Also, can anyone remind me how one joins please - my colleague > would like to join us. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 1 13:00:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61H00E4018466 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:00:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l61GxwSI018616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:00:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l61GxeDf089432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:59:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61GxeJJ032611; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:59:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61FW141071334 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 09:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:31:56 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:31:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070701.071839.1968.1.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Shirts, Shoes and joining h-costume ; Re: [h-cost] Luttrell Psalter Period Query Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:29:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:29:59 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 15:31:55.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4BE8750:01C7BBF4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f40e017-934b-4411-a22c-8981288c5d8b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4687DD8E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Interesting, I was just looking at some paintings from the = Thyssen-Bornemisza Collection. There were a number of them where men = were in this state of dress. I don't know, but wonder if its just perhaps some folk couldn't afford = shoes. A few years ago when doing a paper on costuming terms in the = German language, I came across a story about a "plot" during some war or = another where the "signal" that you were on one side was that you only = wore a shirt. Some members did not own a shirt, therefore they were = allowed to borrow paper to wear in lieu of a shirt. =20 Surely shoes were more expensive than shirts? Just a thought.... About joining, this should tell your friend all they need to know: = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cynthia J Ley=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Luttrell Psalter Period Query I think it's artistic license. > "I have a query about 14th century hose. Some of the illustrations=20 > in > >the Psalter show men wearing hose without shoes or boots. Can you > >direct me to any information about this practice - or am I just > >misinterpreting the images?" >=20 > Can anyone help - I will pass on information. >=20 > Also, can anyone remind me how one joins please - my colleague would = >=20 > like to join us. >=20 > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 1 13:05:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61H54qT018662 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:05:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l61H528u000681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l61H4e0j090302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61H4dgB036322; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61H4ZWJ036254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l61H5dmY010221 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:05:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4687DEA0.4040404@thibault.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:04:32 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Luttrell Psalter Period Query References: <000f01c7b8db$4744fa80$60d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> <7.0.1.0.2.20070630210647.0281ae68@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22d9a947-e229-4d73-be59-4c417854dab0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4687DEBE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Some 15th-century hose were built with soles so one didn't need to > wear shoes. I don't know about 14th-century hose, but it's possible > that it was done that way earlier as well. Yes. There was a christmas card sold by the Metropolitan several years ago, which showed a male donor in an elaborate houppelande kneeling before the Christ child. You could see that the soles of his hose, which were black (presumably leather) were quite different than his colored hose. They also had pointed toes. I wish I'd gotten a copy of that card; I've thought of it often! cv -- "You can tell the difference between principles and prejudices because principles sometimes bind, but prejudices always feel warm and comfy." -- TJIC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 1 13:56:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61Hupat020446 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:56:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l61HunpU029383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:56:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l61HsJ4e096908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61HsGPW066935; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61HsCI7066851 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ca6.12c3ef97 (52833) for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-DC19 (webmail-dc19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.41]) by cia-m02.mx.aol.com (v117.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAM021-ce614687ea3cf8; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:54:04 -0400 References: <000301c7bb46$66b4fab0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <2633.76.185.38.68.1183301629.squirrel@webmail.io.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victoria is back! Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:54:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2633.76.185.38.68.1183301629.squirrel@webmail.io.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 28363 Received: from 66.177.236.38 by WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <8C98A1FF2B58768-14C8-BA2F@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 622b5218-d554-438c-be9a-082e66e72c52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4687EAE1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And for those of you who did not: http://www.victoriamag.com/ Thanks for the head's up, Chiara!!! Now I just have to hope that they will send to me FPO or overseas, right? The only reason I finally got rid of my back issues was the weight limit that I have to have to have to observe for this military move to Cornwall, otherwise I would have kept them.? I also had 20+ years worth of Bon Appetit, Gourmet, etc..? I am such a pack rat.? Don't even ask about the fabric that I have gotten rid of, and the patterns.? But I am learning to take pleasure in sharing like I had never thought I would, and I am really enjoying that.? I am finding new joy in giving, and that has brought new life to things held in dark closets for too long.? Besides.? Now I have a valid excuse to buy more things when I get to England. ;-) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Chiara Francesca To: Historical Costume Sent: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:53 am Subject: [h-cost] Victoria is back! I just got a post card from Victoria magazine, they are back! I remember when Victoria magazine went away, several of us here on this list lamented its loss. The first issue is the November/December and will be delivered in October. Hope you all got your invite post card for its new issues! :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c097c735-04fa-489d-9a70-bfe5279c845c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468826CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just got a post card from Victoria magazine, they are back! I remember when Victoria magazine went away, several of us here on this list lamented its loss. The first issue is the November/December and will be delivered in October. Hope you all got your invite post card for its new issues! :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 1 19:55:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61NtbA9001367 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:55:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l61NtZR2009704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:55:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l61NstXO041234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61Nsonk090295; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:54:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [206.18.177.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l61Nsk58090217 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070701235440b1500cgt11e>; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:54:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: h-costume h-costume Message-Id: <3CA1239B-7A25-4472-BECB-95061618680A@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:54:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New India Cottons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8078fdef-26c4-4283-9e95-99c2a573a056 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46883EF7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I have learned an immense amount about the nature and differentiation of fabrics in a pre-industrial textile manufacturing economy from seeing and handling these saris, and recommend the experience to anyone who is interested broadly in what cloth was like before the Industrial Revolution. I can also go on about what I mean by this at greater length than is fair, so I will shut up now! If you are interested in the trunk show, send me an e-mail privately for more info. Melinda will also be in Chicago and New York that week, and if you are in those cities and might be interested in a trunk show, let me know and I will pass your info along to her. Thanks! Lauren Lauren M. 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Here's their webpage: http://www.quipscards.com/ Enjoy, Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 10:24:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62EOs8S010679 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:24:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l62EOpP5031443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:24:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l62EMJ68054141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62EMEQx032307; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62EMCYo032288 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2318911waf for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N76Bjf+lB8m1ZPb4JIzne/IASQitCewEivW+RTZkc+mXGNoudbPwVGyU7QJqzUq6RopGbr6FuUiRNiec0DyOVQeapzt82VWc0xYn+TBCGu/gHrpWxOIyliD2qgGZTUk0JL5sRTyqXIm/6AiDAxtimC8FAdKqY0HWm+RDFlWU340= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YlfxfnEzvftiilEYqufwrP4J3e1ZMltk2+5VUTjIY1SayYFDFZBjiocxw2RWXAbm8LdRY45AJKYDLOwKKCaIgUu32kJHC85zcG6Ph1sb8B4ONuVpQ+EJSS49JUNB8wkOxxEH5pyApM4QWRt+sPzAXDqK1FIvyzoZPQnYZHII8oU= Received: by 10.114.15.1 with SMTP id 1mr5188820wao.1183386132244; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.102.18 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070707020722j471f3146k7124429fa96cfc0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:22:12 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3415d3bf-3a79-4ea4-be77-d52bdf64d79f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46890AB3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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This could then > literally be a reference to the use of the meat --and hide-- of the ox. > Hard to tell without more of the original quote... > > > Astrida > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 10:31:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62EVoiq011185 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:31:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l62EVmv7022710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l62EVDMI055881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62EVC7X040524; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62EV8Y5040374 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:31:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ce4.1475383d (52643) for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-DC19 (webmail-dc19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.41]) by cia-d15.mx.aol.com (v117.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAD153-cda346890c2229a; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:30:58 -0400 References: <46887A61.3050704@wideopenwest.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hilarious greeting cards using famous paintings Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:30:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46887A61.3050704@wideopenwest.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 28363 Received: from 66.177.236.38 by WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:30:58 -0400 Message-Id: <8C98ACCBDC39950-14C8-D992@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.41 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58937af5-aac3-4edd-9b50-51ee1f9b8908 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46890C54.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 10:45:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62EjK9D012586 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:45:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l62EjI5Y001414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:45:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l62EipZq058862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:44:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62Eioaj053551; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62EikkN053478 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.136.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.136]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I5N8v-00014p-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:44:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <46887A61.3050704@wideopenwest.com> References: <46887A61.3050704@wideopenwest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E158AEF-19D0-48CC-826E-98CC66714C65@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hilarious greeting cards using famous paintings Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:46:13 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49407653-971b-4b20-865e-6fed492eeb27 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46890F7E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I had to buy a few, just > for future use. > > Here's their webpage: > > http://www.quipscards.com/ > > Enjoy, > Michelle > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 11:09:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62F9v5O014128 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:09:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l62F9sFN012405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:09:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l62F8vuj065552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62F8tgs078844; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62F8qGU078720 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.caa.1590c43b (43933) for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:08:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hilarious greeting cards using famous paintings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d52bc26-cf24-46a6-a8ab-7eec51e5a045 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46891543.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 551ad0aa-332c-4fe4-b343-56c8bfd25f89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46893FB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > >> The phrase: > >> "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu > machen" > > > Well, my German mother thinks Trachten is still clothing in this > context, as that's the term for folk clothing. Specifically for this > case, the leather pants that comprise part of the gear. This could then > literally be a reference to the use of the meat --and hide-- of the ox. > Hard to tell without more of the original quote... A google search on the phrase gives this page http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:p5MmvIoKn78J:www.ravenstreet.org/Tirloch/ein%2520neu%2520kuchbuch%2520-%2520transcribed%2520pages......pdf+vom+drei+und+achtzigerlei&hl=no&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=no&client=firefox-a In the document 83 foods/dishes are listed as being made from the ox, which would probably mean that Trachten in this context isn't clothes since 83 is given as the combined number of Spesien and Trachten. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO But according to my Mum it is 43 food _and/or_ clothing items. Katy On 7/2/07, Ingrid G. Storr=F8 wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > > >> The phrase: > > >> "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu > > machen" > > > > > > Well, my German mother thinks Trachten is still clothing in this > > context, as that's the term for folk clothing. Specifically for this > > case, the leather pants that comprise part of the gear. This could then > > literally be a reference to the use of the meat --and hide-- of the ox. > > Hard to tell without more of the original quote... > > A google search on the phrase gives this page > http://64.233.183.104/search?q=3Dcache:p5MmvIoKn78J:www.ravenstreet.org/T= irloch/ein%2520neu%2520kuchbuch%2520-%2520transcribed%2520pages......pdf+vo= m+drei+und+achtzigerlei&hl=3Dno&ct=3Dclnk&cd=3D1&gl=3Dno&client=3Dfirefox-a > In the document 83 foods/dishes are listed as being made from the ox, > which would probably mean that Trachten in this context isn't clothes > since 83 is given as the combined number of Spesien and Trachten. > > Ingrid > > -- > This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.do= menebutikken.no > Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domene= butikken.no > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --=20 Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. 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Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc20d06c-b272-4292-ba5f-ae21fd1cf358 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46895766.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Katy Bishop wrote: > But according to my Mum it is 43 food _and/or_ clothing items. Oh, is it? I'm sorry, I didn't realize she'd seen the whole text; I must have read some of them wrong then. I'll certainly take the reading of a native speaker over my own any day. :) Although some of the foods do strike me as odd when used in clothing. If it really is clothing as well I'm incredibly curious what the items that are made from salmon are ("Vom Lachs seind sibenzenerlei Speise und Trachten zu machen") - any chance of a translation from a native speaker? I had thought that the poster who translated Trachten as dishes/servings (from Tragen, sorry I don't remember the poster's name) was right, but if there's any chance of salmon clothes I'm all for it. :D Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 16:09:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62K94xv008775 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:09:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l62K92If000924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:09:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l62K8LqL045582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62K8JGF085913; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:08:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62K8Fb8085791 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sonja@louisiana.edu) Received: from pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.229]) by marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-mx-host_1.9a) with ESMTP id l62K87B9004230 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:08:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from louisiana.edu (skr5996@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-client_1.7) with ESMTP id l62K87PL014101 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:08:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sonja (LS-LAMP)" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:08:06 -0500 Message-Id: <20070702200258.M16294@louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <200707021800.l62I0FPF059898@net.indra.com> References: <200707021800.l62I0FPF059898@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060831 X-OriginatingIP: 130.70.141.184 (skr5996) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hilarious greeting cards using famous paintings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0bcbced-ae5c-414e-a28f-924988c4752d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46895B5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you for the link.  The calendar is going to make great Christmas stocking gifts for a few friends. S --------- Original Message ----------- > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:09:05 -0400 > From: Michelle Plumb > Subject: [h-cost] Hilarious greeting cards using famous paintings  > Hello, gang. > I was at my local bookstore this afternoon to buy a new journal and came > across the funniest greeting cards!  I had to buy a few, just for future > use. >  Here's their webpage: > http://www.quipscards.com/ >  Enjoy, > Michelle > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 17:43:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62LhBnI012218 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:43:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l62Lh8Vk031835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:43:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l62Lgddn060962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62LgbFf076225; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:42:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l62LgVnq076067 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ca1.14febdb8 (42805) for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:42:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hilarious greeting cards using famous paintings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9782416-4a5c-4ba9-8673-c2768aad816f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4689716C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval gold thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e2448d6-351f-4926-86b9-d45e7c128e9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4689716C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi all! I've searched the archives but haven't found what I'm looking for. My group (focused on Norway, 1299-1319) is planning to make an embroidered standard/banner, as historically accurate as possible in design, techniques and materials. The details aren't clear yet, but the project may involve couching gold thread onto silk. So here's the thing: most sources I've been able to find only refer to "gold thread" and don't go into whether this is bullion/purl (and if so what kind), or solid drawn thread, or what. Does anyone have any sources for the period, give or take a few years? Preferably for Northern Europe, but Europe in general is good. Thanks in advance! Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 20:15:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630FBjq018240 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:15:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l630F9xu016782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:15:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l630EZDW085129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630ETnQ005794; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630ELZQ005602 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.17]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:14:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:14:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:14:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00d301c7bcd4$fdf29290$2401a8c0@ohw> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval hose query Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:11:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:11:58 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 00:14:15.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[1751DC50:01C7BD07] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e23fff6-59bc-4b23-8e66-a9b6f1dc09b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4689950D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would definitely not write it off as artistic license. There are too = many examples of footless, and strapped hose to do that. One of the = first places I looked, Davenport, page 104 speaks of breeches being tied = at the ankle or strapped under the foot. I am only conjecturing, but I = suspect it was as much a way of keeping the hose "down" rather than = covering the foot. Much like modern dancers dance with toeless and = heelless tights. Davenport shows a number of pictures and statuary = sporting the various types. You have my curiosity up....I am not sure = I'll be much help but am rather curious myself! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pauline Loven=20 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] Medieval hose query Hi All =20 I have just subscribed. A friend posted on my behalf and there have = been a couple of responses already, but just to clarify: =20 I am costuming a film based on the images in the 14th c. Luttrell = Psalter which was made for an estate in my home county of Lincolnshire. The = film is for the museum of Lincoln (The Collection). =20 I am puzzled by the depiction of hose being worn without shoes or = boots. Can anyone direct me to any relevant sources (paintings, archival or archaeological evidence, articles etc) which could explain this = practice. I am reluctant to dismiss the images as artistic licence' without = thorough research. =20 many thanks =20 Pauline No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: = 01/07/2007 12:19 =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 20:21:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630LW0h018456 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:21:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l630LUXg030258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:21:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l630LAGj086304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630L8Bs010798; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch5.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630L5QV010699 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7BD08.0861D546" Subject: RE: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:20:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Thread-Index: Ace81HS4kg7zTx28T+uFvXLzSxaiWgAM3ClI References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 441635f9-ef49-4dd9-abd4-feb759d8dde0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4689968A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BD08.0861D546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed-- especially since some of the other Speisen und Trachten combos = refer to fowl and fish! Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Ingrid G. Storr=F8 Sent: Mon 7/2/2007 2:09 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, =20 On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > >> The phrase: > >> "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu > machen" > > > Well, my German mother thinks Trachten is still clothing in this > context, as that's the term for folk clothing. Specifically for this > case, the leather pants that comprise part of the gear. This could = then > literally be a reference to the use of the meat --and hide-- of the = ox. > Hard to tell without more of the original quote... A google search on the phrase gives this page http://64.233.183.104/search?q=3Dcache:p5MmvIoKn78J:www.ravenstreet.org/T= irloch/ein%2520neu%2520kuchbuch%2520-%2520transcribed%2520pages......pdf+= vom+drei+und+achtzigerlei&hl=3Dno&ct=3Dclnk&cd=3D1&gl=3Dno&client=3Dfiref= ox-a In the document 83 foods/dishes are listed as being made from the ox, which would probably mean that Trachten in this context isn't clothes since 83 is given as the combined number of Spesien and Trachten. Ingrid --=20 This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - = www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - = www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BD08.0861D546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BD08.0861D546-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 20:31:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630Vgrs018796 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:31:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l630VeL4025303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:31:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l630V9iR087711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630V7vW017045; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch5.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l630V45W016938 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7BD09.6D740EA3" Subject: RE: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:27:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Thread-Index: Ace81HS4kg7zTx28T+uFvXLzSxaiWgANIs33 References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9975df7-5f1d-4336-a235-ea0724ee7afa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468998EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BD09.6D740EA3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just realized teh whole text was there-- noway does Trachten refer to = clothes, all 83 uses for cow are listed and none of them are anything = other than recipes. Also, another candidate for "Trachend un Speisen" = are frogs, and I just don't buy it that there's anything frog-related in = clothing! I looked it up in my olkd Cassel's and an alternate meaning for Tracht = is "yield", which makes much more sense in this case. Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Ingrid G. Storr=F8 Sent: Mon 7/2/2007 2:09 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, =20 On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > >> The phrase: > >> "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu > machen" > > > Well, my German mother thinks Trachten is still clothing in this > context, as that's the term for folk clothing. Specifically for this > case, the leather pants that comprise part of the gear. This could = then > literally be a reference to the use of the meat --and hide-- of the = ox. > Hard to tell without more of the original quote... A google search on the phrase gives this page http://64.233.183.104/search?q=3Dcache:p5MmvIoKn78J:www.ravenstreet.org/T= irloch/ein%2520neu%2520kuchbuch%2520-%2520transcribed%2520pages......pdf+= vom+drei+und+achtzigerlei&hl=3Dno&ct=3Dclnk&cd=3D1&gl=3Dno&client=3Dfiref= ox-a In the document 83 foods/dishes are listed as being made from the ox, which would probably mean that Trachten in this context isn't clothes since 83 is given as the combined number of Spesien and Trachten. Ingrid --=20 This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - = www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - = www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BD09.6D740EA3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BD09.6D740EA3-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 2 22:41:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l632fiDq023207 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:41:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l632fgta028164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:41:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l632fFvW006061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l632fBv0003626; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:41:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l632f84l003580 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B601E3F66F for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:41:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval gold thread Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01ae23d0-c734-407b-820d-eb4553a4e546 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4689B766.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Will this help? http://www.sallymilner.com.au/framedetail.php?Book_ID=249 http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1220_gothic/craftsperson.php http://medieval.webcon.net.au/technique_goldwork.html -----Original Message----- Hi all! I've searched the archives but haven't found what I'm looking for. My group (focused on Norway, 1299-1319) is planning to make an embroidered standard/banner, as historically accurate as possible in design, techniques and materials. The details aren't clear yet, but the project may involve couching gold thread onto silk. So here's the thing: most sources I've been able to find only refer to "gold thread" and don't go into whether this is bullion/purl (and if so what kind), or solid drawn thread, or what. Does anyone have any sources for the period, give or take a few years? Preferably for Northern Europe, but Europe in general is good. Thanks in advance! Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 06:43:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63AhIlW003131 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:43:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63AhG3q012863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:43:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63AbnGu078325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63AbjoT016331; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l634djir080064 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070703043939013005kf8de>; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:39:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:39:37 -0600 To: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7710b675-6d44-4866-a71c-f04dec1dd4a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468A2844.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different from today? Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 06:59:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Axnx4005401 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:59:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63Axlwm018862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:59:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63AvGME081564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63AvEjS028761; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-38.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-38.bluehost.com [69.89.20.192]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l63AvBm2028695 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 17456 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2007 10:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (69.89.21.77) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2007 10:57:11 -0000 Received: from cm-84.208.192.005.chello.no ([84.208.192.5] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I5g4D-0004Zo-B0 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:57:10 -0600 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:56:53 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.10 (Win32) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 84.208.192.5 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39a3021a-7ea4-4ed3-8b3f-668f732ade77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468A2C23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: What else was popular that is different from > today? Jeans and pants well below the navel. Bellbottoms. Tight t-shirts to the navel or just under. Tight clothes on the upper body. "Natural" breasts slowly comming back in fashion. High heels. Green-bluish or light blue colors for summer from about 1999 up to 2004.Wintercoats to just below the knees. Brown should still be somewhat fashionable If you have a local library with a magazine section, skim through them. It might make you recall things and give you an idea of colors, shape and shoes in fashion atm. Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 09:18:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63DIobU021192 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:18:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63DImY5023225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:18:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63DHZpU003408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63DHTwl028673; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63DHPox028555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:17:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l63DHJTF010012 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:17:19 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l63DHCn1004362 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <045601c7bd74$7ad9d260$4ba810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:17:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c9025cd-5d84-482f-8f2e-bc72d4e67507 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468A4CB8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Was that when young women wore their sleeves to their fingertips? Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "G.Vinje" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad > wrote: > What else was popular that is different from >> today? > > Jeans and pants well below the navel. Bellbottoms. Tight t-shirts to the > navel or just under. Tight clothes on the upper body. "Natural" breasts > slowly comming back in fashion. High heels. Green-bluish or light blue > colors for summer from about 1999 up to 2004.Wintercoats to just below the > knees. Brown should still be somewhat fashionable > > If you have a local library with a magazine section, skim through them. It > might make you recall things and give you an idea of colors, shape and > shoes in fashion atm. > > Gunvor > > -- > "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" > Anders (nesten 4 år) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 09:49:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63DnDPK025262 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:49:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63DnARZ018545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:49:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63DmdXR008704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63DmZdM052937; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63DmWwx052841 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:48:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.103]) by bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:48:27 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:48:27 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:48:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.234.41] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <045601c7bd74$7ad9d260$4ba810ac@Kate> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:48:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 13:48:27.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[D53FEC90:01C7BD78] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb108265-38ea-4425-86fe-ea0171883ca2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468A53D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO With thumbs poking thru a cut in the "cuff". Laurie >From: "Kate Pinner" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:17:11 -0400 > >Was that when young women wore their sleeves to their fingertips? > >Kate > >----- Original Message ----- From: "G.Vinje" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:56 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions > > >>On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad >>wrote: >> What else was popular that is different from >>>today? >> _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 10:26:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63EQpar030770 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:26:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63EQnw0001655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:26:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63EQBGO015748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63EQ5Us086421; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63EQ11E086232 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.9.14] Received: from [75.46.9.14] (adsl-75-46-9-14.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.9.14]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l63EPLFX030491 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:25:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:25:40 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0df615b-2400-4220-ae1c-ee83b0331332 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468A5CA9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think it depends on where you were and what age group, but in South Carolina, college-aged girls were wearing sleeves that belled or ruffled out at the end, generally from a seam at the elbow or the forearm, or less often at the wrist. I concur that finding some magazines from that time would really help. Melanie Schuessler On Jul 3, 2007, at 9:48 AM, zelda crusher wrote: > With thumbs poking thru a cut in the "cuff". > > Laurie > > >> From: "Kate Pinner" >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:17:11 -0400 >> >> Was that when young women wore their sleeves to their fingertips? >> >> Kate >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "G.Vinje" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions >> >> >>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad >>> wrote: >>> What else was popular that is different from >>>> today? >>> > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 10:44:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Ei8bh032396 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:44:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63Ei6kh011447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63EhftD018961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63EhduF002366; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63EhWIq002230 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070703144327m1400nel7ee>; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:43:27 +0000 Received: from [192.150.22.5] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:43:25 +0000 From: colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:43:25 +0000 Message-Id: <070320071443.23001.468A608D000A1F1E000059D922007507840B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y29sbGVlbi5tY2RvbmFsZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Iranian costuming book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33427365-c84a-4ba4-82cf-37b84e02f568 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468A60B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Exhibition held at Museo Nazionale d'Arte Orientale "Giuseppe Tucci", Roma. available at www.artbooks.com (not associated, just a happy customer) Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 10:56:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63EuPR3001355 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:56:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63EuM7r024829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:56:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63Eu2LO021224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Etvip013499; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:56:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63EtqUY013362 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id HAA14887 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:55:46 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070703075007.02822030@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:55:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Beverly Azizi Subject: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4dfbb2b-1cbc-41e7-b48e-154d5e95a8fd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468A6396.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:39:37 -0600 From: Sylvia Rognstad Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different from today? Sylrog I think encapsulated in that time period we have waistlines on pants dipping lower and lower for women and wasn't there a shift in in the length of tops i.e. getting shorter and shorter. Also the advent of the flood pant or cropped pant after pants being extra long for a while? Also the last few years has seen a resurgence of the gored skirt (a wink back to medieval times) . You might want to try googling some of the designers collections from 5 years ago to see what they show. Good Luck Sylvia Beverly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 10:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Exrn9001715 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63Exou2009514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63Ex9wa021881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Ex65k016662; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:59:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Ex1QL016529 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c02.19977e8c (39331) for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:58:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8e45f81-44d5-4fe6-8ae6-1e030da667e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468A6467.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I remember evening gowns, and red carpet gowns, start to move from that clinging 1930's type of shift towards a more structured look. It was still a close fitting shift, but in crisper fabrics with more flair at the hem. You see more trains and fish-tails. And decoration starts to move from applied stuff, like beading, to self fabric stuff, like ruffles and pleats. A trend that still lingers. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 11:19:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63FJ6A2003648 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:19:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63FJ3XJ006272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:19:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63FIUx2025519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63FIRc4035497; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l63FIN1e035334 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200707031518.l63FIN1e035334@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Jul 2007 15:18:17 -0000 Received: from e176002095.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [85.176.2.95] by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 03 Jul 2007 17:18:17 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18dytJOrA4dzt9RTIxCfeFa86x7/rlaNwpUuyDIHi Ju2vs9FoxbvoDV X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:18:09 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions In-Reply-To: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> References: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89547f53-3961-457f-9f21-467e1e9afa46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468A68E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I remember pants that were a bit below the navel=20 and fell down vertically in the back, with wide=20 hems. Heels were less delicate than today, in=20 2002 I bought some boots with heels that appeared=20 to be very thick seen from the back and thin from=20 the side - I found them quite revolutionary. One=20 extremely fashionable colleague of mine wore=20 kitten heels that year, but I think they were=20 available in "regular" shoe stores earliest 2004=20 or so (that=B4s when I bought some). 2002 was also the first year I remember ruffled=20 pirate shirts and chemises, worn with pumps and=20 cargo pants with lots of pockets and straps with=20 D-rings. It looked like the wearer wanted to fix=20 camping equipment to her pants. ;-) Mixing=20 different clothing styles was a real art, like=20 hooded training sweaters with dress pants... That=B4s what I remember from Hamburg, Germany. Hanna At 06:39 03.07.2007, you wrote: >Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the=20 >years 2002-4? I'm drawing pretty much of a=20 >blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and it=20 >goes back in time 5 years. I know things=20 >haven't changed that much, but there have been=20 >some changes. For instance, I do remember=20 >wearing long straight and slightly a-lined=20 >skirts, alot of the latter made out of knits. I=20 >still have them. What else was popular that is different >>from today? > >Sylrog > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 11:37:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Fb2WD008255 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:37:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63FaxiB014937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63FaPxo031036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63FaKmL055066; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.225.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63FaD2N054868 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070703153607b1500cgn3be>; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:36:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <045601c7bd74$7ad9d260$4ba810ac@Kate> References: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> <045601c7bd74$7ad9d260$4ba810ac@Kate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <596f236a85a11e4ec3f6949918273495@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:36:05 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c65b0d6-b2e0-402d-b51b-37e39b0987a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468A6D1B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh yeah. You reminded me of the sweaters that flared out at the=20 wrists. I still have one, but I hate not being able to roll up the=20 sleeves when washing dishes. On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:17 AM, Kate Pinner wrote: > Was that when young women wore their sleeves to their fingertips? > > Kate > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "G.Vinje" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:56 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions > > >> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad =20= >> wrote: >> What else was popular that is different from >>> today? >> >> Jeans and pants well below the navel. Bellbottoms. Tight t-shirts to=20= >> the navel or just under. Tight clothes on the upper body. "Natural"=20= >> breasts slowly comming back in fashion. High heels. Green-bluish or=20= >> light blue colors for summer from about 1999 up to 2004.Wintercoats=20= >> to just below the knees. Brown should still be somewhat fashionable >> >> If you have a local library with a magazine section, skim through=20 >> them. It might make you recall things and give you an idea of colors,=20= >> shape and shoes in fashion atm. >> >> Gunvor >> >> --=20 >> "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA f=E5r du lov" >> Anders (nesten 4 =E5r) >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 13:09:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63H92rP024630 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:09:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63H90RU013680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:09:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63H8XvI050885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63H8PnA052890; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63H8K5j052805 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so422123ana for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:08:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PVgoF8wKfS6erZpHdn4UJmIS77TXXDwWvFA+M1xRHwopCXaqOlLcIF1SCXn2BRQdmYgf0tZCN2yc+T/yutxtEK6iIWX6yJqAcl52f3w9Py+DHxZgrfLrqkTRK7cCa+ClTbdduKUY97l/6e5BroN+C1i2x0UAECoMsu14oEPRIYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Mww9yfLpuHbM42K3W6vkaWEhLuXO+Zv7Bol8u/4vAFEd35VoPH5w+kiv3mNJiTpnnpsxdhl5Rtd2n5x+ZGLC1AvLpeffCaZa9h8RulTKOgHkejVKSnnKf5l8qhsG5zycECUpACceBXACanUSAyfOguvkPlPgRWLuBnXsSnKrr5o= Received: by 10.142.255.14 with SMTP id c14mr449348wfi.1183482498810; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:08:18 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdbad846-371c-4a8c-8ccf-3fed7a12c702 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468A82AC.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Subject: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions >Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm >drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and >it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, >but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing >long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out >of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different >from today? Bell bottom revival, even in business suits. Hiphuggers & bare bellies. Messed up hair with gel & pomade... T-shirts, knit tops & sweaters completely encrusted in beads or embroidery, especially in Asian shops.. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 18:16:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63MGxVk006378 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:16:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63MGvNh008248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:17:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63MGHsn006560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63MG9Fm076630; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63MG6AJ076558 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2956343waf for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:16:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CtrsrThA0D7y0TnB/fs9IP7+t7XG4WhOT4UTvvKMJJ5KpJWWifcxQgvaebMVUtkhkU4b7DY19OjRiiHMj4Q2bTfQsrURp9IO8BsakDfRnR4LUVRXjExrOZ64tIYytxSxuBouewT2RLsR+91YI1wJTBdHDqLebYmdnNrlzGPVCQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VG64ljKyQqqWeV5njY4bk+KeW5tCbElkW7Ma3X0/pnOrj4ZHh6V3AqejFirTMvvIFOdoKzz8VBHaKF51890bqJtvHrlKCgCKtTbPwjyca4hUD98QDujHg+EydpmJwhMGK+ZuY/ohXLCdUtGy1HTXs23U4km6SelYealIG76H9KA= Received: by 10.142.116.14 with SMTP id o14mr471573wfc.1183500966027; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:16:06 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c268d74-5dbe-4902-8cf6-dc46e667d2a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468ACAD9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 19:00:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63N0PDf008585 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:00:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63N0NgU010144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:00:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63Mxfdd013165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Mxdgf011393; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63MxYd0011354 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:59:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2976451waf for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:59:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=rZTEIs6VoEunj+Q0bTeg+bE5s0VeKq7flfDliansoAR92wDrMNkGw98DdkacZdQzFvIIODTLk4YvCfFtUY5NqI6Yw+ZdRLGmhuUMZH4sD+825fFkr9bc25Rf/d9R3Jix5Lw1eqzv0bKREjyQcEU357SRYzoO7PeMqSv09F3wojc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=Cax+hluFI7ZihhFGcHRrfij/ylJD2Pbr5STi667rztb97mDwOspbkDPiPlIP+dYYPtzwBwRUupUh1ACouVs7eD6hxVv/4BfG/DabNGOQuupFuKHpvf+eN1Jv/KSvJqdj8eHzNhoKxFHeVbGkR4roMyxVAsNy6MOtadSOt4Bfkvk= Received: by 10.114.181.1 with SMTP id d1mr6677035waf.1183503574357; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [124.179.219.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id z15sm18896503pod.2007.07.03.15.59.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:59:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:59:49 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <468ad4d4.0f98600a.0721.3316@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e44d3c6-8ab7-4a03-92e4-5425e254e104 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468AD507.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Burda magazine might be helpful if you can find a library with back issues. There is an archive at http://www.burdamode.com but it only goes back to the start of 2004. To access the archive though you need to keep the page in german at the start, select "magazine" from the lefthand side which will display items under that cantegory. You want the "Archiv von burda Modemagazin" which is next to the picture composed of lots of magazine covers. This will bring up the list of all issues that are archived. I've just checked and it looks like 2004 is archived in german only but the pictures are there as are the "Technische Zeichnung" (technical drawings). The only problem with using burda is that some patterns show up in Burda before they do in mass ready to wear. I might be noticing that only because I'm living in Australia. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 19:07:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63N7uXN009015 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:07:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63N7s4j025285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:07:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63N7V51014107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63N7VR0017286; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63N7S8t017233 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id v1so1143233nzb for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:07:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o0akaRIUId3aC5HSluKcPGakctP6FgmrR7qqvpZZjhS8dstPtrtN73dRDOqkj7qbufPwIAPB02Dn895u5tsZZQocdzkhWoWtW5iyzqh5rLEpCh7d2vI6BHdE3Kf0OyClvEv/cU8dIWJoxmpD1lzEnKHlhiOo1Oc1Ua0haKqSsAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sY1A4RtS23Ihl9hZwY0bWgXCWxB1cGbWtCd0YG+MICav4wu+TEhlAj5OvvLP389RADQspvSF9TIbGAeR8d9y6JMDuqASuHSFEsDI61RDyI0fIENfQ/wHlQ3KySoYywRqxkSOMOt42kB0k5VLXB2/BTkEuMtT7QyPQXPEX7WYBOo= Received: by 10.65.203.3 with SMTP id f3mr11934956qbq.1183504047084; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.75.10 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0707031607r753dabeei46bfd0d50177ee67@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:07:27 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88dca064-3b59-4e5f-963e-20dfd3ae56d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468AD6CA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO MaggiRos, I think we've talked about this pattern once before, when it first came out, and I remember that it's not very period. I looked at the pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three separate pieces made up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make a dress. >From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown & Girdle circa 1914 Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn anything complicated in years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not accurate, as are many of the patterns in the Making History series. I couldn't find any dresses from the period that resembled this when I researched it. The abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many Butterick patterns are here in force. Even worse, several of the illustrations are incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch wide fabric for the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic pattern won't fit on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for the tunic but. you'll have a seam down the front which actually may help with fit and prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several careful fittings during construction are a must. Ignore the instructions on seaming the sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; you're better off using French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may have to cut the sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and didn't bother to add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, as the pattern construction makes a self trim ribbon. Carin's was the only review of this pattern. There's got to be something better out there, unless you're really hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's high-waisted dress of the same period would look great on you. Folkware has their own dress of the same time. Hope some of that helps. See you in a few weeks, Lynn On 7/3/07, Cin wrote: > MaggiRos, > That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be > quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. > > As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in > something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An > encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: MaggiRos > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College > in August, > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some > of you know. :-) > > MaggiRos > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 19:32:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NWSa1010192 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:32:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63NWPiF008421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63NVRUf016709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NVOlX033562; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NVL0K033511 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8045170032E for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:24:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070703075007.02822030@uci.edu> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070703075007.02822030@uci.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707031924.18041.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 638abcda-35ad-4505-878c-5101f6a0c2a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468ADC8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Beverly Azizi wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:39:37 -0600 > From: Sylvia Rognstad > > Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm > drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and > it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, > but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing > long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out > of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different > from today? > > Sylrog > > I think encapsulated in that time period we have waistlines on > pants dipping lower and lower for women and wasn't there a shift in > in the length of tops i.e. getting shorter and shorter. Also the > advent of the flood pant or cropped pant after pants being extra long > for a while? Also the last few years has seen a resurgence of the > gored skirt (a wink back to medieval times) . You might want to try > googling some of the designers collections from 5 years ago to see > what they show. Good Luck Sylvia Definitely the cropped pants. Also straight skirts in business suits with a 1" - 3" ruffle along the bottom, and those horrible pumps with a heel that is round in back and cut off straight like a slab on the other side. Yuk. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 19:34:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NYuwP010281 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:34:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63NYsI0024472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:34:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63NYIch017080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NYHmH035659; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NXn0S035352 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5348A70032E for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:26:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:26:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> <200707031518.l63FIN1e035334@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200707031518.l63FIN1e035334@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707031926.45987.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36efb730-5b29-4809-bf1e-043837c068d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468ADD1F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Hanna Zickermann wrote: [snip] >Heels were less delicate than today, in > 2002 I bought some boots with heels that appeared > to be very thick seen from the back and thin from > the side - I found them quite revolutionary. I agree, but I also think they were ugly. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 19:46:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Nk9Gk010805 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:46:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l63Nk78v029698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l63Njbkp018564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NjaxE043267; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:45:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NjX9D043222 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so4355579pyi for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:45:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Tltb9p/8f7jKp5/mzaiY2QEFfK6i+DLxNBfpyl+EmUpVrex/RFCOnAF6v7GGSmBf/I4DUffMfJ0LWQX12os4GqckqLDOyJY35u6Xd9PQ0so6L93GtxRSQr/9Vb7RVXQZT9QmaqVJZ84c+ttFLv8PhC1y3PGcqvD6H3LI2ZkuzVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=og/qeWEiafxc54K+SQThn6jXKceWWnJFryz6Tp0gWLAg41Jorh1ma+fkwnycVdpgaJBOzT5BUnv49PJ2+FnEdO6To7AO04EJXXM3NNMUp1t3wPqTqxTRhJ9zA9wrzrYn3GmF3Dsi/0oUtZCjojQLX7t1DofOS2t2E3qFnnHkmbQ= Received: by 10.64.233.12 with SMTP id f12mr9982580qbh.1183506332650; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.75.10 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0707031645p26cb3aabl2ecc14652cc0a256@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:45:32 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions In-Reply-To: <200707031926.45987.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> <200707031518.l63FIN1e035334@net.indra.com> <200707031926.45987.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 160538e4-4520-4773-87a3-a7fb2f33d254 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468ADFBF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I agree. There were a few years there where it was almost impossible for me to find attractive (in my eyes) shoes because the heels were either strange, as those already mentioned, or bent. Remember that look? Like it was too hot outside and your heel just kind of melted into a curve? And that style was really expensive! I haven't spoken up because I didn't like or didn't look good in the styles from 2002-04. Crop-tops and hip huggers aren't attractive on short/rounds. Neither are those cropped pants. LynnD Still wearing some dress boots from almost 20 years ago that are still in fashion On 7/3/07, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Hanna Zickermann wrote: > > [snip] > > >Heels were less delicate than today, in > > 2002 I bought some boots with heels that appeared > > to be very thick seen from the back and thin from > > the side - I found them quite revolutionary. > > I agree, but I also think they were ugly. > > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." > -- George Mabry > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 20:35:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l640ZqnO012956 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:35:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l640ZoLa014160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l640ZJKm023839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l640ZFsG075482; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l640ZC8n075451 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1I5spq2YAI-0002sG; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c7bdd3$28876720$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:34:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1978bK9g5bJoJbjN5WU0EVtevqCtjh9DY5A3Rz cJbOi5Fp21exVGiUmEd2FwEpBl5pvX+qcNOylmyX3aRfwqLHMh yvu7haSXGMPZsapL/tgtg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e5a0afb-4ad4-4418-9fea-2beca6fd3709 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468AEB66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This pattern is similar to the early 1920s. The semi low waistline and the handkerchief style overskirt. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 20:51:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l640pevx013521 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:51:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l640pbu8018974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:51:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l640pBmg025716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l640p96o085524; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.252]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l640p65C085428 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92798 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 00:51:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ylpD21j6V29n3xmPE79U4FQAhiaD1U4ydanvXA3qA2Bz+UPITzHcOFyOwdQkuybq+5nbW9FSd3u0chZ+QkATlIrpiO+Tu3q8GEoLeoV+H1VSSez+kxmX1yfmOSdPHEH/gpYwyVqIWGzGJD8s1tnG5yXFlTceXRSpkiXLbFPpiUo=; X-YMail-OSG: Q4mJofsVM1mSnhVG9E6.us4DhrW0zrSS0UEuDgw8BisGA.MRYwIbuoe0g3YMtbX.8Lx.nkRPaBcZk163Z_fqbtLgYw-- Received: from [76.81.2.86] by web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:51:01 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0707031607r753dabeei46bfd0d50177ee67@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <107036.90842.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 335a2019-3092-4209-9c78-233f2342dcba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468AEF1A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lynnie, I don't think you're talking about the same pattern, although I see the pattern number in the review is the same. But it's hardly a bodice and skirt. There's an underdress (gown) cut on the fold of 45" fabric, and the overdress (tunic) cut on the fold of 60" fabric. The girdle does look like it rides below the hips, I'll grant you, but that's what creates such waist as it has. The trim is beaded ribbon, not self trim, although there is some self-facing at the neckline. The sleeves just fall from the shoulder, open along the top. No seaming that I can see. Maybe it's been revised since that review? Or maybe it's more complicated than it looks, Butterick is notorious for leaving things out. I may not have been reading the list when the pattern came out, but it's certainly not complicated. I'm not in search of a low waist especially--not with my waist! I just liked the look of the outfit, and the pieces look adaptable to other things. I think. Maybe I should just stick to the 16th century. Maggie --- Lynn Downward wrote: > MaggiRos, > > I think we've talked about this pattern once before, > when it first > came out, and I remember that it's not very period. > I looked at the > pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three > separate pieces made > up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make > a dress. > > >From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: > #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown & Girdle circa > 1914 > > Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. > I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn > anything complicated in > years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not > accurate, as are > many of the patterns in the Making History series. I > couldn't find any > dresses from the period that resembled this when I > researched it. The > abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many > Butterick patterns > are here in force. Even worse, several of the > illustrations are > incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch > wide fabric for > the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic > pattern won't fit > on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for > the tunic but. > you'll have a seam down the front which actually may > help with fit and > prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several > careful fittings > during construction are a must. Ignore the > instructions on seaming the > sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; > you're better off using > French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may > have to cut the > sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and > didn't bother to > add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, > as the pattern > construction makes a self trim ribbon. > > Carin's was the only review of this pattern. > > There's got to be something better out there, unless > you're really > hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's > high-waisted > dress of the same period would look great on you. > Folkware has their > own dress of the same time. > > Hope some of that helps. > > See you in a few weeks, > Lynn > > On 7/3/07, Cin wrote: > > MaggiRos, > > That seems like a remarkably low waist line for > 1914. The W should be > > quite high, right under the bosom & the shape > generally columnar. > > > > As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd > look lovely in > > something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy > chiffon over charmeuse? An > > encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic > lace? > > --cin > > Cynthia Barnes > > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > > From: MaggiRos > > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > > To: Historical Costume > > Message-ID: > <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern > itself > > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume > College > > in August, > > > > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > > > But I don't know anything about this period, > realy. So > > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk > seems > > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? > I'm > > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as > some > > of you know. :-) > > > > MaggiRos > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:09:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6429wiY015988 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:09:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6429ug7012317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:09:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6429LBE034048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6429HMp034615; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63GaARU018587 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89EFD7471 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:36:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <468A7B0D.1000108@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:36:29 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions References: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a39717f9-5550-472f-9a12-d217ce9c989b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468B0174.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I still have them. What else was popular that is different from > today? Beltlines are still below the navel today, but shirts are coming back down. I finally got used to the midriff baring style and last month when I went shopping I found all the shirts are about hip length, or longer. I seem to remember those ruffled and/or patchwork velvet skirts from several years back. Only they were never very full. Horrible mint green, brown and orange striped poly knit shirts. Babydoll lingerie tops. Thee was this whole 'back to the 70's' thing going on, but it was even uglier than the first time around. Lots of psychedelic colors like pink and green and orange, but too bright, a strange mix of drab and tacky. Lots of India-made trim on stuff, around the bottom of jeans, and on jackets. All the fabric coming into the stores seemed to have lycra in them. Necklaces made from fishing line with single pearls or jewels clamped every few inches. Very pale lipstick colors, and a return to a natural looking face. Glitter or reflective powder in a lot of makeup (and suddenly I'm allergic to cosmetics). Huge purses with lots of sequins and beads dangling all over them. Long, pointy toed shoes. Shoulder length hair. Men's clothing got very casual. My husband can wear jeans to work, and sneakers in a corporate environment. Hair is still short. After 04, women's hair got really short, and they started styling it so it sticks out in a little flip in the bottom. A year or two ago it seemed like every young blonde starlet looked the same. And then we started getting glitter and sequins on everything, and a lot more silky polyester type fabrics. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:10:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642A80E015995 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:10:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642A6kf024510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:10:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6429jgL034165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6429iir034952; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l63Gwu2N042900 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48989 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2007 16:58:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Yd8orU6WpIFZ7JFAdDTGwYATVfnAe7VxN2W/XEOl0x73EqKuv8j3zHAj9PdQA5stxmnD2YmjApmwnmWMvKpt/wlcp3R/PenZXPKeKpjnqqcWqRhN/xWTy4uzAAyU50EKQpjh0GG5HNPE0YCu7xXNHep40zle2jAn/eiRKyBdd/w=; X-YMail-OSG: W1qWoEsVM1l1iRf.kZno_R77ShaJlzF76GA1jJw.nJvOzmJtefhlm1c13dSTV_jepKrsJ5PtLWGukqx0GjItmsvbdRt1hQhA_UjcBpkOgBmkWcHiknc- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:58:51 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3CA1239B-7A25-4472-BECB-95061618680A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cec42ba-7e95-4acf-8dc2-62172d9097c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468B017E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:11:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642BBVO016032 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:11:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642B93i024912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:11:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642AoZq034395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:10:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642AoX0035875; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:10:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63MZNwt092705 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A14D75DC for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:35:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <468ACF40.70104@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:35:44 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 098a89a8-12ec-4dee-9062-1cf00473295d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468B01BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some > of you know. :-) > Oooh, that pattern is on my 'must make' list, too. No, you don't have to use pale watery colors. Take a look at these prints from the period. Some are later than the teens, but you get the idea. Rich earth tones, black and red, some bold, contrasting prints. And this is the period when Rayon was developed as a silk substitute. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:11:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642BOJo016038 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:11:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642BM3x006087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:11:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642B3Am034441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642B344036056; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63NTj2A032278 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:30:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.86.24]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20070703232939.CEP27425.mta10.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:29:39 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:29:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16480 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95c96f20-6c16-4ce6-895f-2867dee7891f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468B01CA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely have higher waists than the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. The Butterick pattern gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > MaggiRos, > That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be > quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. > > As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in > something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An > encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: MaggiRos > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College > in August, > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some > of you know. :-) > > MaggiRos > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:11:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642Ba6K016042 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:11:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642BXZm013827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:11:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642B7lZ034460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642B7rV036123; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l63Npamr047793 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:51:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id v1so1151632nzb for ; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:51:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NOkEGlhXY8ZUNGjWg6YmONcLeG2suZLoh977R+igBrruFf4mReCjB/G9m0pLRhu/24BXcbTT7j59k+KrqTPR8PdkpOFcAEnq4WYrnEv1KyH+4KcoUbhE3w1yxNxwazIH/l0+EJPrhaEu+pqzEDgtgQ8mKlb9z8OxhltM3+sN1VE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TgwLv13rN+V429KjGeorI8YudWyY4/KcBQOyWOKPrGAuapnhI38VRCd/GrSamyvT0KbDSuaku38I0rv3Vbb65q/DwqInKYeLNJLaDSQkFwx/yOImggFbVQbx9jXlSNpHtAxw/fcKBMumVQMlZTSFSKd6EduJaOKnNr6p7R5JnmI= Received: by 10.114.198.1 with SMTP id v1mr6677881waf.1183506695383; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.102.18 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070707031651v68e88f05y54fa2a27684dcab5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:51:35 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 In-Reply-To: <8296995c0707031607r753dabeei46bfd0d50177ee67@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8296995c0707031607r753dabeei46bfd0d50177ee67@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4acef8a7-0707-4c33-92eb-0ff2a35f2f56 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468B01D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That pattern is just so not 1914 to me. It make me think of 1920s styles, or Norma Desmond (or Norma Desmond played by Carol Burnett :~). The waist in 1914, and for most of the 'teens for that matter was high or natural, it's not until the later 'teens that you get a slightly dropped waist. The shape of the over skirt is much more 1916-17. I have several pictures of evening dresses from the 'teens on my website: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1910.html I just love the 'teens, so many fun styles, and a different look for each year of the decade. I need to find the time to make a new dress for Newport's ragtime ball this year. Katy On 7/3/07, Lynn Downward wrote: > MaggiRos, > > I think we've talked about this pattern once before, when it first > came out, and I remember that it's not very period. I looked at the > pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three separate pieces made > up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make a dress. > > >From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: > #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown & Girdle circa 1914 > > Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. > I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn anything complicated in > years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not accurate, as are > many of the patterns in the Making History series. I couldn't find any > dresses from the period that resembled this when I researched it. The > abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many Butterick patterns > are here in force. Even worse, several of the illustrations are > incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch wide fabric for > the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic pattern won't fit > on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for the tunic but. > you'll have a seam down the front which actually may help with fit and > prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several careful fittings > during construction are a must. Ignore the instructions on seaming the > sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; you're better off using > French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may have to cut the > sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and didn't bother to > add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, as the pattern > construction makes a self trim ribbon. > > Carin's was the only review of this pattern. > > There's got to be something better out there, unless you're really > hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's high-waisted > dress of the same period would look great on you. Folkware has their > own dress of the same time. > > Hope some of that helps. > > See you in a few weeks, > Lynn > > On 7/3/07, Cin wrote: > > MaggiRos, > > That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be > > quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. > > > > As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in > > something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An > > encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? > > --cin > > Cynthia Barnes > > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > > From: MaggiRos > > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > > To: Historical Costume > > Message-ID: <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself > > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College > > in August, > > > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > > > But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So > > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems > > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm > > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some > > of you know. :-) > > > > MaggiRos > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:11:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642BjY0016050 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:11:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642BhOM013095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:11:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642BG3K034533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642BGRT036288; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l641kBMC019895 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:46:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 31E843AF39 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:46:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:46:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <107036.90842.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcb7c4b2-855a-4807-960d-369e30e0bf98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468B01DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Maggie, I have this pattern and have material set aside for it. It is an early 1920s style, evening dress or can be a summer tea dress. The girdle top is at waist level. What I have found so far is that it would that you could make it in a darker color. I am not sure of what you mean by watery but if you mean flowy, then pretty much yes. There were some evening gown fabric that were a little stiff but not really that stiff. Velvets, silks, lace, chiffon, crepe.... What fabric/design(?) you could use for a tea dress. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_474.htm dresses of the 1920s http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_591.htm http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_255.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4453.htm http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/192x_1.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/1924_2.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/1929_8.shtml http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=35224 I plan on adding long sleeves to the gown. trim will be lace and pearls. I have Simplicity 4947 that is to go with the Butterick pattern for a full outfit. I do not plan on making the girdle but may make a purse that will go under the tunic and have a slit in the tunic for easy access. You do not have to have a 60" wide fabric for your tunic, you can use 45" and have a seam down the center or cut the pattern so that you will have "princess" seams and then cover over the seam with beadwork. Think of the tunic as your canvas and the gown the frame. De -----Original Message----- > > Hi all, > > > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern > itself > > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume > College > > in August, > > > > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > > > But I don't know anything about this period, > realy. So > > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk > seems > > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? > I'm > > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as > some > > of you know. :-) > > > > MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:28:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642Sllv016624 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:28:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642SjtT027017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:28:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642SJbG036302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642SIOl045981; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:28:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642SFdB045890 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c78.16eed3be (41812) for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:28:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:28:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e8fcd58-98f0-4e92-8096-3f804af87d57 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468B05DD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, doesn't look like anything I've ever seen from 1914. I designed a "Three Penny Opera" that was set in 1914....to compliment the fox trots and 2 steps in the music...and so I researched that very year. The waist was at a high-natural line..kinda like the late 1820s or where men wore their pants in the 1950s...y'know, high but at the waist. Bodices usually had no darts of any kind. The backs would be narrow...almost fitted, even on a shirtwaist... and the fronts would be full, but not baggy like the pigeon breasted look of just before in the 1900s. Lots of raglan and dolman sleeves with narrow cuffs....V necks and high collars. Skirts were gored usually and slightly flaring stopping at the ankle. Sometimes the front would be a single gore that was straight from the hips down and the back would be 2 goes that flared a bit. Evening things had a layering of shears effect with beading and embroidery, and skirts were sometimes curiously draped. When the war starts, military influences come into play, with things like large pockets with pleats and flaps, lots of buttons, and high boots, that lace up the front...a great look with a wool suit. Hats could be wide and flat but not as large as in the period before. The brim would often be oval with the long sides over the shoulders. And you see less stuff on them. Also a whole range of fez-like and novelty shapes of smaller hats appear. Hair is not short yet but often put up. Crimping is popular. It's a transitional period going out of La Belle Epoch into the 20's. You see all kinds of half-and-half combinations. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:30:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642UHW9016683 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:30:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642UFwf012488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:30:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642Torw036484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642TnEx046893; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642Tkb2046822 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070704022940013005lne9e>; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 02:29:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <468A7B0D.1000108@reddawn.net> References: <806f80b07db97412ee52babe474560d7@ntw.net> <468A7B0D.1000108@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:29:40 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ca10e07-77cb-4b76-a6d3-6ed16447cb32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468B0637.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jul 3, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Dawn wrote: > > > After 04, women's hair got really short, and they started styling it > so it sticks out in a little flip in the bottom. A year or two ago it > seemed like every young blonde starlet looked the same. And then we > started getting glitter and sequins on everything, and a lot more > silky polyester type fabrics. That's how I wear my hair now. That style has been in for a number of years. I think it was popularized by Meg Ryan. I keep wondering when it will go out. Maybe it already has for you coastal people, but here in Colorado it is still in and since it looks really good on me, I don't mind. Sylrog > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:34:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642YsFb016892 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:34:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642YqK0001140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642Y7XO037182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642Y6T0049414; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l642Y3tA049310 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36064 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 02:33:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ovmSvgx2ciu+ncDiWztxdQDq4y1Th/cPvHUsb9ZSgx4WHdITZlUVuY5nq4IK8PxKoir4aPfuaNr/g9k2fHVFgVs27KNr3VAAcaDzqxu1+xQnhq4coi3sm2zSxeAbEs+w38P3z3WU1s+9418LEOm91cvuV+eQCKX3wJAstrLi8Ck=; X-YMail-OSG: _njvofcVM1kDdaSHzC77_Wi_StJcUJErTyqnWsP6R6Xmx5wGlP5JkgVaCG.a5H.985zmJK6wEcahpJqxEtqhWwmW3aV01MD7M5JsTHLudFQqz.QMKhk- Received: from [76.81.2.86] by web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:33:57 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <951648.35287.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f917a97e-4712-4a4f-bbe6-8f1abe4e3564 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468B074C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO OK, 20s, I can go with that. Colors? Fabric suggestions? Websites that don't require a subscription? I'm not committed to perfect accuracy but I'd like to be in the ballpark for whatever date the dress is trying to be, and make a pretty, wearable dress. MaggiRos --- Gilbert wrote: > I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty > Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - > 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely > have higher waists than > the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. > The Butterick pattern > gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set > Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cin" > To: "h-cost" > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > > > > MaggiRos, > > That seems like a remarkably low waist line for > 1914. The W should be > > quite high, right under the bosom & the shape > generally columnar. > > > > As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd > look lovely in > > something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy > chiffon over charmeuse? An > > encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic > lace? > > --cin > > Cynthia Barnes > > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > > From: MaggiRos > > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > > To: Historical Costume > > Message-ID: > <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern > itself > > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume > College > > in August, > > > > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > > > But I don't know anything about this period, > realy. So > > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk > seems > > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? > I'm > > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as > some > > of you know. :-) > > > > MaggiRos > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:35:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642Zus4016931 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:35:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642Zpvq032310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642ZTos037356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642ZSlQ050301; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l642ZP1Q050224 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33031 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 02:35:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IRSaQBntOZ4fAFDfDthTvZwgYHbt6lnCLtTF+oyoiP18yeeMOrMnh/6Y9IVZns1Z3buhSCX2gTb+EhKAZy8DtyDKkZq2zJn5iLIRtj89PSJrk7f8mHBzunm9Yp08Lpzu5KbYG0Q9mN5oZdQl+wTuEXGZYScR5VsZW0SkcAlNzXc= ; Message-ID: <20070704023520.33029.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NKwHtS0VM1lX_uZVCZ5YNXviAfL1Dwa26QD3ufLyNMaKG7OEuSE2.oZ7bzyRhLm2ySHsDxJIAMkdl61ffFSHOZykWH87eFGiA2MBSRuvMcpS09M23iY- Received: from [76.81.2.86] by web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:35:20 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070707031651v68e88f05y54fa2a27684dcab5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29641187-fc65-4149-a89a-43c5dfc95c28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468B0787.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 22:36:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642akxF016952 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:36:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l642aisc000883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:36:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l642aA5w037454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:36:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l642a9ej050802; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l642a6f3050716 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58812 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 02:36:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LHOfud4TpWJD3pbJCJWXzcyB9q544Rcp3IK3YJ4XrUG09Pidn6iHqKlUnC4lSE2jfWJUhldcsHK+2nkx1GbAR9fHu7bVXPpp6vT+zMNG3emV+dd8t1HXQINpM9Yr0LLQCvvNRje93OhJ3z+N1aD14ZO+rKHB2AGglNeBmrhL0NM=; X-YMail-OSG: W7tz6acVM1k3YJmEUk1qSgStkDjnteI.ul8V7kNhrtE5v4ArdnWZAimrFLvrtUmxXvBtqGe_HQ-- Received: from [76.81.2.86] by web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:36:01 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000301c7bdd3$28876720$6901a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <481099.58198.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1a6d675-e469-41a3-9aa7-dfa1c14075fc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468B07BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 23:29:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l643TMQt018884 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:29:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l643TKFc005440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:29:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l643Sqef042846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l643SnjW083024; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l643SkS1082990 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1I5vXo3jWX-0002qu; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c7bdeb$6b6d06e0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:27:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/B1Q4YJL33iDDzxCKCuve86/7Z0glzgYDe9T diO5AhhVBgL7RxAMajAgDh+8fsz7FKQhOIuRYsHhAJnW1Eqtqy Yh3WC/3r+itjSFt4oLtYQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad31a721-f058-4e69-a82a-0a530daa0b00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468B1410.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 3 23:44:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l643iQiC019531 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:44:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l643iOsA027151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:44:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l643i31Y044762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l643i2aQ091736; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l643hwIq091695 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1I5vmW3dV9-0001az; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c7bded$89e4a3b0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+VkiubDjzqVarb0nh3VR4a6nqZK8IrKyXJfRH OErz5d2p+kPY4t+lm6bNTbxVqWbKlXZxTv/mj7fbj3crOMsPGh 0KtVrWCqGKOdI7uT5vM1w== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb21169e-ef01-48b7-8adf-b6339076d438 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468B1798.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For the general population, the waistline was at its normal placement in 1910-1911. By 1912-1914, the empire waist was fashionable. From 1910 to 1914 the waistline gradually moved up. In 1912, I have Ladies' Home Journal with the mid waistline. Delineator magazine shows the empire waist. I tell my students that during World War 1 ladies' fashion was kinda like the 1980s; a little bit of everything went on. It was fashion design gone wild. I personally like the WW1 fashions...very creative! I have 1916-1918 fashion plates of some of the same fashions that were worn in the 1980s. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - > 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely have higher waists > than the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. The Butterick > pattern gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cin" > To: "h-cost" > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > > >> MaggiRos, >> That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be >> quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. >> >> As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in >> something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An >> encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? >> --cin >> Cynthia Barnes >> CinBarnes@gmail.com >> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) >> From: MaggiRos >> Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 >> To: Historical Costume >> Message-ID: <434233.48132.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself >> isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick >> historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College >> in August, >> >> http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 >> >> But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So >> what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems >> perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm >> not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some >> of you know. :-) >> >> MaggiRos >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 04:09:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6489iUK026847 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:09:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6489f2Z030958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:09:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6488cB3075860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 02:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6488YhO054978; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 02:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6488UYw054880 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 02:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.39508433; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:08:10 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l64889K14472.; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:08:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:08:09 +0100 Message-Id: <468B636B02000014000D4F0C@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:07:55 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200707031800.l63I061j009888@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200707031800.l63I061j009888@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:2002-4 fashions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef43a089-9ab2-4575-b2ed-3c507986f5d1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468B55C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 05:10:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l649AK86006699 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 05:10:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l649AILH026997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 05:10:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6499Ixo084348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 03:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6499FLW091089; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 03:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6499AbP091030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 03:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l649B3Fn019211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:11:04 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l649B3Tn019208 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:11:03 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:11:03 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval gold thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:11:04 +0200 (CEST) www.domenebutikken.no: Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0761fccb-ed0f-48e5-a29e-703a435f127e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468B63FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, otsisto wrote: > Will this help? > http://www.sallymilner.com.au/framedetail.php?Book_ID=249 > http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1220_gothic/craftsperson.php > http://medieval.webcon.net.au/technique_goldwork.html Thank you! The book looks scrumptious. :) Do you have it? I'm wondering if there's enough info relevant for my period to warrant the cost of buying it for this particular project. Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 06:29:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64ATF1k021712 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 06:29:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l64ATDMN026027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 06:29:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l64ASR0l093657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64ASOCr034322; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64ASLG1034290 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 05FF635E13 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 05:28:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval gold thread Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 05:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 724d3991-bd26-42eb-960c-c43525de5494 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468B7679.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 07:24:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64BOkMU001804 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:24:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l64BOh35029465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:24:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l64BMW6i099524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 05:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64BMUXL065144; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 05:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64BMPcp065055 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 05:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=JHb7WseKyNkkXGfoH-MA:9 a=z0kG__8Tm2_tovsNHDMA:7 a=krCdmQbXVBZwCjVCHERIFtK9InYA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,497,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="5763521" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 Jul 2007 12:18:37 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:22:04 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Suzi Clarke Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d75c441-6181-42a5-8da9-1bbd266c3f38 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468B837C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am making this dress for a customer, before I finally hang up my scissors, and wondered if there are any other images I can use for reference. Everything except the hanging sleeves is cut out, but the patterns I am using for them are a bit boring. However, I don't want to use the scallops in the original, so any other inspiration would be helpful. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/1600dress_9.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 10:24:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64EOEXB020199 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:24:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l64EOC5b007471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l64EFIBK022893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64EFESO082903; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l64EFA0Y082792 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDJZL4NAQBDJ5S for (sender ); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:14:36 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgu0KpiqfhWG4eYKuUebDuSE= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MRTGC4FB; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:14:18 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:10:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval gold thread Message-ID: <20070704.071400.3588.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-6,8-33 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 12:6:2092263047 X-MAIL-INFO: 16051971955489d4950d20ed098ded953120b57dedb57964b4a485e1a431a1b5b570d0b550990134a5f441d96915d96975f0490481042d0d0c3480a00125297d51409d4130748020f019bd15517559a0c1f0d9e02d690d7181f000351941e9816161b10c952d45d5394081405454c43120707df52464a189543d1d09a4d1b5c1b099ddb0c4d5f4d1e014b9f4f4197115691549210c4921b12521b16d19b9851040c980855965f5c9c0598de50559d9bda0713d71f00db175217125 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b84f70e2-8142-4839-b70a-fef26b74a9e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468BAD8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Have you seen Jane Lemon's _Metal Thread Embroidery_? Gorgeous book, lots of historic bits, very helpful to anyone wanting to do this type of work. Publisher info is: London, B.T.Batsford, 2004. This is a brand new edition. Lots of color plates. $24.95 trade paperback. Arlys On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:11:03 +0200 (CEST) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= writes: > On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, otsisto wrote: > > Will this help? > > http://www.sallymilner.com.au/framedetail.php?Book_ID=249 > > > http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1220_gothic/craftsperson.php > > http://medieval.webcon.net.au/technique_goldwork.html > > Thank you! The book looks scrumptious. :) Do you have it? I'm > wondering > if there's enough info relevant for my period to warrant the cost of > buying it for this particular project. > > Ingrid > > -- > This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - > www.domenebutikken.no > Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - > www.domenebutikken.no > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 11:07:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64F7FO1023368 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:07:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l64F7Dbf002350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:07:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l64F6ShW030819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64F6QMG022051; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64F6KiF021923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l64F7gCn009591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:07:42 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l64F7fmt009588 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:07:42 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:07:41 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval gold thread In-Reply-To: <20070704.071400.3588.0.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: References: <20070704.071400.3588.0.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:07:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:07:42 +0200 (CEST) www.domenebutikken.no: Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3ba8a97-b3f4-45f4-b0f3-f0c37a9bea93 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468BB7A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Have you seen Jane Lemon's _Metal Thread Embroidery_? Gorgeous book, lots > of historic bits, very helpful to anyone wanting to do this type of work. > Publisher info is: London, B.T.Batsford, 2004. This is a brand new > edition. Lots of color plates. $24.95 trade paperback. That sounds great! I found it at $18.21 from Amazon, which is cheap enough to buy just to check it out anyway. My copy should be on its way soon, yay! Thanks. :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 11:38:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64FcTx1025615 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:38:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l64FcRbG008402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l64FWUeu035501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64FWRUC043818; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:32:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l64FWOUq043721 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDJZRMKAB8CFV2 for (sender ); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgp9KUnGRPSyNksCeADwEN38= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MRTLSJ99; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:31:34 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:14:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval gold thread Message-ID: <20070704.083029.1344.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 12:6:3392454941 X-MAIL-INFO: 115ef797f7abdadbabda9a3ada9a23e3bffbba4a3b3ffbbba7c33b07bb4f7e9bbbbe2acf5e0b5eafde9aaada5e3a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6f597f2-f13f-40ae-80f1-4555d9d513f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468BBEF3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks. :) > > Ingrid > > -- > This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - > www.domenebutikken.no > Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - > www.domenebutikken.no > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 13:00:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64H0o1L031627 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 13:00:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l64H0mPp014599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 13:00:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l64H0LnQ051516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:00:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64H0Ics014449; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l64H0Erk014310 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 33720 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2007 17:00:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=EEnA5mV0Q57MQeFXld7k59zvUDbuA6fODp65X0aCcrYVsC7lBQbWo9uGJjmNzFzzYUUmnJKy2yvx6y0D7HoeLIYClTScNlQD2dIxw35DF/CcHyOfuE0aGTS9V6H5IomgzByO+uks6ScQc6uLpqvepKbZ6HNdaO/iY+/o+e20iTk=; X-YMail-OSG: JqSzw4MVM1kF4vOWXVQYk5caxr4hj6GkkUh.p9144U9ZoIkulTSw6AnH7y5tHV92VQ-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:00:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.38 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <233709.33124.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19c0cb47-b3b7-4247-a53c-3a9fb57479f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468BD240.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO FYI to anyone interested- I just pre-ordered the book (available Aug. 1) from Amazon for $16.47. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:29 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval gold thread No I do not have it but it was recommended to me when I was looking into goldwork for a gown. Other things have come up so that I have not gotten around to ordering the book. De -----Original Message----- On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, otsisto wrote: > Will this help? > http://www.sallymilner.com.au/framedetail.php?Book_ID=249 > http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1220_gothic/craftsperson.php > http://medieval.webcon.net.au/technique_goldwork.html Thank you! The book looks scrumptious. :) Do you have it? I'm wondering if there's enough info relevant for my period to warrant the cost of buying it for this particular project. Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/885 - Release Date: 7/3/2007 10:02 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/885 - Release Date: 7/3/2007 10:02 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 16:22:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64KMawi011152 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 16:22:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l64KMY0F001305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 16:22:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l64KLr8r086498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64KLorJ064726; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64KLRgP064293 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CF8383F5BD for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:21:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7ad1703-04f1-4217-a3a6-6acff87a9d1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468C018A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bohemia http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1610_2.shtml spain http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1606_1.shtml english http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/161x_6.shtml baveria http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1613_1.shtml france http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/161x_4.shtml denmark http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1623_3.shtml german http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1623_1.shtml -----Original Message----- http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/1600dress_9.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 17:24:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64LOCQA014624 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:24:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l64LOAVF020923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l64LKUha094553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64LKSxp004789; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:20:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l64LKON7004659 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:20:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=Pz_RO6pwAAAA:8 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=D4kfrHiD3paLjcoGIowA:9 a=SLybFKiJDzXivq9bX2wA:7 a=Gs3jLzQiERyfFkbgmcT8-h27n1YA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,499,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="5887739" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 Jul 2007 22:16:14 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704221910.027f8df8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:20:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 21:20:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l651K1FO026657 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:20:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l651JxEc004531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:20:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l651JQ16024283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l651JLUa052259; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l651JIt3052224 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8E8C3AF30 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:19:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 21:39:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l651d2iU027613 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:39:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l651d0sx018225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l651cbtT026375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l651cXFC062759; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l651cUOd062692 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (d14-69-62-55.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.55.62]) by pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l651cPb9014106 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:38:25 -0500 Message-ID: <468C4BC6.3090201@wideopenwest.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:39:18 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070606) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? 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Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 22:37:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l652bsI9030786 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:37:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l652bqSa020667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:37:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l652b8QS033045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l652b6q0098761; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:37:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l652b3ik098723 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A931A5B0434; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 02:36:33 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Given how odd it looks, I'm not surprised! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/DianaCecil.jpg I've seen plenty of slashing on sleeves, but this is the first picture I've ever seen with slashing on the skirt! Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 23:06:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6536Cog032335 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:06:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65369f7020233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:06:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6535inm035862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6535hN8017438; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6535eQG017335 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id v1so1468543nzb for ; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:05:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z+FAFR4aJJI+uzOjI3sCYxY6ONP92ju1BwHDGe2h7tgtZ55F6FORwNTTudNcpGWekmvZc5wVHyhjFWRAfq3jJzbLnXNCEjbaDE8zWNc4dQ4wTqiOuPOD4hL8X3rLeza059+gDoZY2JZIM0HJkM6OebDzMOJNKDuw8BogzjCvbTU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R5dHsZLEzGjtOC9wYTKskjMa7h23zoy6Vo3J8FbHqWgfEQTF5cakU/xqpwlNs59FvqGizvwmM1ttShhgJIR9qerUIIbYpimDp+LNjkWI9+MMBDeywasvP74Yn1/YAxK9PyTsIcDuVl2G+iEMx+YBG/xD3fd7rO4nDhoNY28vMP4= Received: by 10.114.181.1 with SMTP id d1mr7778740waf.1183604734802; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.58.15 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590707042005h23ee3c7fx4a42e012d080f6cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:05:34 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? In-Reply-To: <003e01c7bead$507d5840$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <468C4BC6.3090201@wideopenwest.com> <003e01c7bead$507d5840$0300a8c0@bob3pc> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db0b56e8-0a64-4a45-9c12-f54ec8905cbc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468C6021.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In Arnold's POF there is at least one of the loose gowns from the later period that has slashing on the whole of the gown, and by the way the pattern/slashings are she thought that the gown had been remade to the current state. alex On 7/4/07, Sharon Collier wrote: > Given how odd it looks, I'm not surprised! > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Michelle Plumb > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:39 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? > > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/DianaCecil.jpg > > I've seen plenty of slashing on sleeves, but this is the first picture > I've ever seen with slashing on the skirt! > Michelle > __ -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 4 23:48:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l653m7xx002081 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:48:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l653m5QZ020739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:48:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l653lcg8040460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:47:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l653lZoT042976; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l653lWtN042913 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 8364 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2007 03:47:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=zsfrgepyMdzlXtKS87Z6UY7gFTskN5b7n5VGvRksHAev2GYhb8KiaOxCtkdUiIgOqgkUFTxWNeN3b1FZIu1xeZBPXg95fg7aruB1JdyajObgPUqlqlfWugg79M7u0weVj7saUHhesCV+lGzlATEq9gOyFFAyGrToGmFsKuTbwqw=; X-YMail-OSG: l6s3W60VM1k10J8CzllqlgzAAC.9cVcg9rtuWKPh7H_Ki7tkSco_JZykdlImeEN97pPEHf3pasjVNLZaiyDBxScHHIfsLwN.JARt1jnRNUtGandNC3A- Received: from [121.45.53.238] by web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:47:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.38 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <185354.8096.qm@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slashed skirts (was 1620 dress images?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f415066-f3f8-4dd0-8ddc-298029f849e9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468C69F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here's the earliest example I've seen of a slashed skirt, since the subject's come up! :-) Venice, Giacomo Franco, 1609: Dress of Dogaressa and Ladies [from Habiti d'huomeni et donne venetiane]. Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library, Yale University. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/FrancoF1.jpg Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 02:11:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l656BdAX015070 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:11:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l656Bbxo017417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:11:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l656AH8F055304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:10:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l656ADS6026620; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l656AA0o026545 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1497 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2007 06:10:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DWgwNKKSfEpbppMhRz8lB6zDfLFwp9dN8z93JED9tbfG0pPzCHu+AMD/7D9+ZfU1SUpFR74b8DmslofDGVY/Hd087cp/zV0jF2WyxW/XLnlijslVtmYN7gGiFcdc1QS/CK8B6c7O3hVUcMbvfJD8Dv1eDDJ512Kl5a+YYc0bzfg=; X-YMail-OSG: kgQ0pZIVM1lWBme4PxykH7w7M3CpK8lRUw3hftuOGgzsoiwj.tXAXt4p4VErMwEogOPPslRzaKJizojDlh7qZMraHgWlE89PRUSzno2MPY6Mb2htqrnw_bQotOzLAA-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:10:04 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slashed skirts (was 1620 dress images?) a new question about th is... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <185354.8096.qm@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <882700.1096.qm@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fd1bdfe-38ac-4a32-8029-3a137a4d8e89 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468C8B99.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 02:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO After looking at the drawings, I began to wonder, were the sleeves possibly made seperate from the bodice and perhaps pinned onto the chemise,level with the bodice top , to look like they were connected? I'd like to try an Italian but so many things about them I find confusing, melody Bella wrote: Here's the earliest example I've seen of a slashed skirt, since the subject's come up! :-) Venice, Giacomo Franco, 1609: Dress of Dogaressa and Ladies [from Habiti d'huomeni et donne venetiane]. Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library, Yale University. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/FrancoF1.jpg Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704221910.027f8df8@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bbe9fd0e-1105-4145-ab44-8df1d572facb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468C9EFE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 03:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 02:19 05/07/2007, you wrote: >more pictures >http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Various_8.htm >perhaps the Margo Anderson pattern might help as the hanging sleeve is a >carry over from the late 1500s. >De Thanks - I had all these that are relevant. I don't have time to get patterns - I have "The Tudor Tailor" and Hunnisett - I just wanted something different! Suzi > >-----Original Message----- > >http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/1600dress_9.jpg >Thank you - there a couple there I had not come across before - I >just wish they'd turn round do I could see the hanging sleeves better!! > >Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 03:58:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l657wbi1010999 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:58:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l657wYkO029999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l657wCFs065466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l657wBnd095705; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l657w6f6095566 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070705075800.GBRL2325.fep32.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:58:00 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.182]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070705075800.BGLY26832.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:58:00 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7beda$3a370220$b614a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:58:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.182] at Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:57:55 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidered corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f323906-51ed-47da-9450-15d566aa5df7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468CA4AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 03:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In the book 18th century embroidery teckniques, there is a corset wich is very elaborate embroidered all over. It has shoulderstraps and laces center back. I am very keen in making a similar one, having in mind to mix it with a pink taffeta i baught in Rome. I was thinking about making the corset in ivory taffeta, and maybe make some of the flowers in the pink collour of the taffeta. Then i could make a petticoat to go with it in the pink taffeta. Any suggestions about how this corset would have ben worn? Perhaps it could be used very informal for a picknic, wearing a nice chemise with cotton laces, and make the skirt angle lenght with small pocket hoops? Maybe i could piece the bottom of the skirt with same ivory taffeta, and embroider a border round the hem? How do you think the corset was worn? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 05:39:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l659dZnv030531 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:39:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l659dXus008962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:39:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l659d4Db078776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l659d0kj053872; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l659cvni053842 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 091D035C59 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:38:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:39:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705082936.0281a758@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce8f84a1-f26a-447a-8a7b-4abebcbb7bbb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468CBC55.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually I was thinking you could have a look online at the pattern. The site doesn't allow you to go directly to the pattern so, http://www.margospatterns.com/ You want the Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe (click on it) Then scroll down to the Eight sleeve styles to have a rough idea of the long sleeve. De -----Original Message----- Thanks - I had all these that are relevant. I don't have time to get patterns - I have "The Tudor Tailor" and Hunnisett - I just wanted something different! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 06:15:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65AFUjL005735 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:15:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65AFShg009086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65AF6es084274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65AF4sJ076814; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65AF1Ms076724 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:15:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l65AEqUP005571 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:14:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Was: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?; Now: Leaving the business? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:14:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ace+LhX8pivzV2skRfacWzoZtR3wvAAvqcsg In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9666d643-8933-470b-89ef-85685284dab6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468CC4C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wait a second! Aside from all the interesting suggestions that people have made about sleeves, what's this about hanging up your scissors? Are you getting out of the historical costuming business? (I am sorry if you are - I have always admired your work!) If so, what is that made you decide to do so? And to the rest of the group, what is it you really dislike about costuming for pay or as a living? Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: July 04, 2007 7:22 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? I am making this dress for a customer, before I finally hang up my scissors, and wondered if there are any other images I can use for reference. Everything except the hanging sleeves is cut out, but the patterns I am using for them are a bit boring. However, I don't want to use the scallops in the original, so any other inspiration would be helpful. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/1600dress_9.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 07:10:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65BAZvZ015950 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:10:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65BAWT4018273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:10:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65B9tT5058399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65B9pV3074715; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65B9kui074578 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:09:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=QF8lR1Du638pa4nP8KAA:9 a=_YGzjMsL7S6XPQhWbf8A:7 a=6pOy5DMcK6uwo5oVWgMIFWelhVwA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,503,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="5970958" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 12:13:32 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705115429.02820530@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:03:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: Was: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?; Now: Leaving the business? In-Reply-To: <000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk> <000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f56424e1-3db8-478b-82c2-ceada3e9bf31 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468CD1A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 11:14 05/07/2007, you wrote: >Wait a second! > >Aside from all the interesting suggestions that people have made about >sleeves, what's this about hanging up your scissors? Are you getting out of >the historical costuming business? (I am sorry if you are - I have always >admired your work!) If so, what is that made you decide to do so? I am old and tired and want to spend time doing something other than working for other people - I have so many projects that I have started over the years, that I would really like to finish. I have a room full of fabric bought to make family clothes "one day" - and come February next year, when I turn 65 that day will happen!! I have already slowed down this year, only making 3 or four interesting costumes, plus of course 5 outfits, including bride and bridesmaid, for the family wedding. I will take on something if it interests me, but am fed up of late nights and long working weeks - my own fault as I am useless at starting anything until the last minute! Thanks for the compliment, by the way. >And to >the rest of the group, what is it you really dislike about costuming for pay >or as a living? I really, really dislike machining! I love all the customer liaison, designing and cutting the pattern, fitting the outfit, and all the hand finishing, but that bloomin' machine just bugs me! Unfortunately, the girl or two I had hoped would do some of that work for me, so I could continue on a smaller scale, wasn't as keen as she had seemed, so yes, I will be retiring from sewing for others - and I am really looking forward to it. My lectures, and occasional articles, and research and volunteering at the Museum of London will continue as long as people ask me! Sorry - a longer answer than I planned! Suzi >Jennifer > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Suzi Clarke >Sent: July 04, 2007 7:22 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? > > I am making this dress for a customer, before I finally hang up my >scissors, and wondered if there are any other images I can use for >reference. Everything except the hanging sleeves is cut out, but the >patterns I am using for them are a bit boring. However, I don't want >to use the scallops in the original, so any other inspiration would be >helpful. > >http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/1600dress_9.jpg > >Suzi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 07:10:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65BAoEC016011 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:10:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65BAldC021208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:10:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65BAJAG058730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65BAJtd075163; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65B9kuj074578 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=YDLFG_fMAAAA:8 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=4awTYCLmyUELqBN3K4IA:9 a=E7lfgH86j1Lm2VfaXaGnoJ16mRAA:4 a=jKr14Y5rOoUA:10 a=5FywroM9UlK_FLRW8vQA:9 a=vVVterur7M8L8i6mqNEA:7 a=AtUTipeVOGUqDJbmQDyZ6HNufkgA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,503,1175468400"; d="scan'208,217";a="5970959" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 12:13:32 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705120434.05955ee0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:09:38 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705082936.0281a758@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73b0ee9f-1ae7-45b6-a84c-9624c974f8f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468CD1B7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 10:39 05/07/2007, you wrote: >Actually I was thinking you could have a look online at the pattern. >The site doesn't allow you to go directly to the pattern so, >http://www.margospatterns.com/ >You want the Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe (click on it) Then scroll down to >the Eight sleeve styles to have a rough idea of the long sleeve. Thanks, but I have patterns for sleeves like those, from Hunnisett, and have actually made long sleeves like that for another garment. http://tinyurl.com/2gmgoq This is my current favourite - I like the split at the bottom edge. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 07:36:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65BaLRX023861 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:36:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65BaI0U003195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:36:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65BZaLA082326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:35:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65BZZqN007310; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l659oKwi060892 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 98266 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2007 09:50:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=arbOvbtu5F5jly18+fMHtX9n0ubAKlWqIV2XLVpJb9tJJiFK3B9SIZn1YnwduCUJkvwUo7ZGWk/KkWDHH1K2Hwb9+C8xvqpDj1jJpord6v5MKzfhZXuNAR8aIwuL/z9oBvsXbMJtEKdfCartYC/pu/ZNJfZuXR1qKcQTrdu3ec4=; X-YMail-OSG: 0fhWXgoVM1nt0eD38KzmOkUz3OJLYRKiOSFsp26xVBwLyw9MEESIjYvpCBP_q7wpYDielDi78VX2KpMdLwXqTtEQ.VLL.Cyv6wa42VzLXc1LtEcCJeLy2mxZ Received: from [121.45.53.238] by web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 02:50:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.38 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slashed skirts (was 1620 dress images?) a new question about th is... To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <684828.97758.qm@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30185280-3c86-4180-b563-663f4667cbf9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468CD7B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Anything is possible Melody! There are no extant Venetian gowns of the 16th century to look at, as far as I'm aware, so anything that works to get the bodice/sleeves to look like that is good, in my opinion. I love to see how people deal with design issues, and non-existant shoulder straps is an idea that I've heard put forward before! :-) Bella ----- Original Message ---- From: Melody Watts To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, 5 July, 2007 3:40:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slashed skirts (was 1620 dress images?) a new question about th is... http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/FrancoF1.jpg After looking at the drawings, I began to wonder, were the sleeves possibly made seperate from the bodice and perhaps pinned onto the chemise,level with the bodice top , to look like they were connected? I'd like to try an Italian but so many things about them I find confusing, melody ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 08:39:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65CdxD2030042 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:39:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65Cdvsu023237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:40:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65Cd0WR002020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65CcvxM053627; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65CcrNq053517 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=hmPhnqzQR3Ue7yBSahkA:9 a=11wGh2Ca4gFncfD8lzoA:7 a=cYJ_5e0YTh42cGb1W5QBM7tsV1gA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,503,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="5901179" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 13:33:25 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705133054.027f41b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:35:46 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered corset In-Reply-To: <000501c7beda$3a370220$b614a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c7beda$3a370220$b614a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e42b979-8fe2-422c-af58-0d7e00f25161 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468CE69D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 08:58 05/07/2007, you wrote: >In the book 18th century embroidery teckniques, there is a corset >wich is very elaborate embroidered all over. It has shoulderstraps >and laces center back. >I am very keen in making a similar one, having in mind to mix it >with a pink taffeta i baught in Rome. I was thinking about making >the corset in ivory taffeta, and maybe make some of the flowers in >the pink collour of the taffeta. Then i could make a petticoat to go >with it in the pink taffeta. >Any suggestions about how this corset would have ben worn? Perhaps >it could be used very informal for a picknic, wearing a nice chemise >with cotton laces, and make the skirt angle lenght with small pocket >hoops? Maybe i could piece the bottom of the skirt with same ivory >taffeta, and embroider a border round the hem? >How do you think the corset was worn? > >Bjarne I don't think this is a corset/stays for wearing "under" clothes. I have seen a very similar one at the Museum of London, which is considered to be a "bodice". It has the same tabs which are not embroidered, and are for wearing under the skirt, while the point goes over. There is one in the museum at Bath which has matching sleeves - this is red and white, if I remember right. There are paintings of Danish queens, who have similar bodices and very lacy sleeves,with the frills facing both down and up, which indicates court dress. These can be found in Ellen Andersen's book on 18th century clothing. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 09:27:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65DRVnF004910 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:27:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65DRPEN001719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:27:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65DQZQj017008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:26:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65DQVu0092431; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65DQBRQ092012 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:26:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:25:36 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l65DPai44983 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:25:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 05 Jul 2007 08:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:25:36 -0500 References: <200707051110.l65B9uDY074849@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <468CAAF5.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200707051110.l65B9uDY074849@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Medieval gold thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf3e7e50-365e-459f-a70d-c6633dd56f53 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468CF1BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 11:55:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65FtESY013182 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:55:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65FtCkg010744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:55:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65FsXv2060862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65FsT7d030550; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65FsPir030398 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:54:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:54:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:54:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003e01c7bead$507d5840$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:51:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:51:54 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2007 15:54:20.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[C03385A0:01C7BF1C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slashed Skirts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22b82fa9-0965-4df0-8cac-be099ccac34b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468D1460.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you ever get a chance to look at Roy Strong. The English Icon: = Elizabethan and Jacobean Portraiture. London: The Paul Meloon Foundation = for British Art, Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1969. There is set of = portraits of two women, clearly in the same dress, which is slashed so = heavily, it looks almost looks like rags! It looks very strange! Saragrace ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sharon Collier=20 To: 'Historical Costume'=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? Given how odd it looks, I'm not surprised! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 12:43:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Ghrow015882 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:43:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65Ghptt010604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:43:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65Gh23t074942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65GgoQO082904; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Ggjeg082722 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=9qHjH3LxEQlGKZiP6qYA:9 a=FqnuQfSJbbwkG3CP40ujiJJCT_oA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,504,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6045316" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 17:46:26 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705173909.028214f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:42:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Slashed Skirts In-Reply-To: References: <003e01c7bead$507d5840$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8bcda84d-6245-472d-bab7-d5cf94f1a465 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468D1FC7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 16:51 05/07/2007, you wrote: >If you ever get a chance to look at Roy Strong. The English Icon: >Elizabethan and Jacobean Portraiture. London: The Paul Meloon >Foundation for British Art, Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1969. There >is set of portraits of two women, clearly in the same dress, which >is slashed so heavily, it looks almost looks like rags! It looks very strange! > >Saragrace These two ladies are sisters - the portraits used to be on show as part of the Iveagh Bequest at the Ranger's House in Greenwich. I don't know where the collection is currently displayed, if at all. The only differences in the paintings seem to be the lace on the ruffs and cuffs, and I think on the handkerchiefs. Legend has it that the dresses were bridesmaids' dresses (!) and were "conspicuous consumption" clothes - they could afford to have clothing that was slashed!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 14:37:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IbGtU022567 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:37:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65IbEkg031606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:37:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65IaYXT099283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IaTOr001351; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IaQkD001179 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070705183621.QMFC1411.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:36:21 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.112]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id KucL1X00N2SCRpw0000000; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:36:20 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <468C4BC6.3090201@wideopenwest.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a fascinating gown. Do you know where the original picture is? I would love a really good copy. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? http://www.tudor-portraits.com/DianaCecil.jpg I've seen plenty of slashing on sleeves, but this is the first picture I've ever seen with slashing on the skirt! Michelle No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 7/4/2007 1:40 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 14:40:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Ie5e8022731 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:40:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65Ie3re011843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:40:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65IdUtm099813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:39:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IdTDJ004316; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IdOXF004150 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=J9wMW08dICg1jrB5mqsA:9 a=j7liejB8JzyDHnXVI6YA:7 a=FERHHla2dsgryeA7DpcBSSbRDt0A:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,504,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6067367" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 19:34:33 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705193604.027fa370@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:39:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk> <000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2bcbb2c2-b45d-4475-84a5-88e047f11ca8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468D3B03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'll be going to Madrid again in a few weeks. I plan on finishing off the third floor of the Prado, visiting the Borne-Misza Museum again and showing my DH the Palacio Real. However, I have at the back of my mind that there is a costume museum there, that I missed a couple of years ago. Does anyone know of this - am I right? Details please if so. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 14:43:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IhdSF022929 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:43:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65IhbD0001950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:43:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65IhJJG000577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IhIdp008040; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IhEg7007887 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070705184310.QOLC1411.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:43:10 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.112]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Kuj91X0042SCRpw0000000; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:43:09 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk><000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <7.0.1.0.2.20070705115429.02820530@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: Was: [h-cost] 1620 dress images?; Now: Leaving the business? 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 7/4/2007 1:40 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 14:51:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IpaB3023297 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:51:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65IpYt5017156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:51:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65IoSXr001720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IoR7J015246; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IoN8j015106 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:50:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=_fIdW7KI_05KIP5czgYA:9 a=Imo0pZwSZNvp9fa2ASrxum2DjWsA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,504,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6071111" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 19:54:23 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705194838.027f8ce8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:50:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? In-Reply-To: <006901c7bf33$60fdedc0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> References: <468C4BC6.3090201@wideopenwest.com> <006901c7bf33$60fdedc0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7989683-df01-48d0-801f-b5035ea69269 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468D3DB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:36 05/07/2007, you wrote: >This is a fascinating gown. Do you know where the original picture is? I >would love a really good copy. This is now at Kenwood House, apparently, in North London. It was formerly at the Ranger's House in Blackheath, and I thought was part of the Iveagh Bequest. However, I understand it is actually part of the Suffolk Collection of mostly Jacobean portraits. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 14:51:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IpwmW023329 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:51:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65Ipuka011199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:51:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65Ip9Td001919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Ip7cJ015959; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Ip3Ek015800 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070705185051.ENYK5623.fep31.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:50:51 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.23]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070705185051.BTOG22175.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:50:51 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c7bf35$6c927d20$1714a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk><000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <7.0.1.0.2.20070705193604.027fa370@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:50:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.23] at Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:50:47 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e333bcdc-05cb-4c7a-bd57-3e0de4be2ede X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468D3DCC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dont recall the details, but its called Museo de Traje. Wished i could go with you. Rome was so borring this year, my 3rd visit, and i thoaght there would be so many other things to see, but when you have seen most of the things there, its borring to see it again. In Lisboa they have also a Museo de Traje, wich also is very nice, but Lisboa is far from Madrid. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? > > I'll be going to Madrid again in a few weeks. I plan on finishing off the > third floor of the Prado, visiting the Borne-Misza Museum again and > showing my DH the Palacio Real. However, I have at the back of my mind > that there is a costume museum there, that I missed a couple of years ago. > Does anyone know of this - am I right? Details please if so. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 14:54:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IsEXP023484 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:54:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65IsBaL021758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65IrVSP002529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IrRqI018293; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65IrM2c018136 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:53:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070705185315.EHUJ3791.fep33.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:53:15 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.23]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070705185314.BCPA1789.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:53:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c7bf35$c3212650$1714a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <468C4BC6.3090201@wideopenwest.com> <006901c7bf33$60fdedc0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:53:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.23] at Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:53:12 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5c04d26-fe20-4fef-9909-8283b781bf13 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468D3E53.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have seen it before, and i still think its overdone, and if you really want my oppinion, i dont like the slashing at all, what a waist of beautifull brocade............... Sorry :-( I know it was very fashionable.........still Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? > This is a fascinating gown. Do you know where the original picture is? I > would love a really good copy. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Michelle Plumb > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:39 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/DianaCecil.jpg > > I've seen plenty of slashing on sleeves, but this is the first picture > I've ever seen with slashing on the skirt! > Michelle > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 7/4/2007 > 1:40 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 15:12:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65JCtS4024332 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:12:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65JCrt7007411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:12:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65JCEss006221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65JCAgG037534; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65JC5xA037372 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=iV5MWA-ysvt97jshWpcA:9 a=L8igcdow0pctp2tzKgIA:7 a=xb2MBLIgkl1TmnUlSHusHIDCN3YA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,504,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6075353" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 20:16:05 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705201049.02803390@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:11:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? In-Reply-To: <000601c7bf35$6c927d20$1714a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk> <000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <7.0.1.0.2.20070705193604.027fa370@suziclarke.co.uk> <000601c7bf35$6c927d20$1714a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 989711b0-62e8-45bd-8450-17d8fe515545 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468D42B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:50 05/07/2007, you wrote: >Dont recall the details, but its called Museo de Traje. > >Wished i could go with you. >Rome was so borring this year, my 3rd visit, and i thoaght there >would be so many other things to see, but when you have seen most of >the things there, its borring to see it again. >In Lisboa they have also a Museo de Traje, wich also is very nice, >but Lisboa is far from Madrid. > >Bjarne >> >>I'll be going to Madrid again in a few weeks. I plan on finishing >>off the third floor of the Prado, visiting the Borne-Misza Museum >>again and showing my DH the Palacio Real. However, I have at the >>back of my mind that there is a costume museum there, that I missed >>a couple of years ago. Does anyone know of this - am I right? >>Details please if so. Thank you - I have all the details now from the website - Museo del Traje - and although it is quite some distance from where we will be staying, I think a little trip might be arranged..................... Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 15:28:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65JSrit024974 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:28:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65JSp0i024107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:28:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65JSJhL009534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65JSDjX053444; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65JS6cQ053236 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d5d.b225ea1 (65100) for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:27:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:27:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And you are in the UK, so they may not be as exciting for you, but I enjoyed the two stores that specialize in church equipment, including vestments, and a store that sells mostly flamenco costumes, including a wall of roses in every color you can think of (they do have other costumes, too). Didn't make the costume museum on my last trip, but it is definitely on my list if and when I go back. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 16:02:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65K22vG026198 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:02:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65K20t6011227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:02:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65K1FsF016326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65K1BC8091379; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65K16dn091151 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:01:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=shWc7d2VY5YNGgyroVIA:9 a=tlJZCHcgF1w_zLWZ4FyjGdZq8nEA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,505,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6083003" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 20:56:13 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705205838.027f37b8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:00:58 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2476bd29-e009-42fe-8b99-bf507f60ef2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468D4E38.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 20:27 05/07/2007, you wrote: >And you are in the UK, so they may not be as exciting for you, but I = enjoyed >the two stores that specialize in church equipment, including vestments, = and >a store that sells mostly flamenco costumes, including a wall of roses in >every color you can think of (they do have other costumes, too). > >Didn't make the costume museum on my last trip, but it is definitely on my >list if and when I go back. > >Ann Wass Thanks - we have great vestment shops just behind=20 Westminster Abbey if you are ever this way -=20 =A3120.00 per metre plus, and gold thread embroidered - drool!! The flamenco store sounds fun, but as usual, the=20 trip won't be long enough for everything - and I was only there 2 years ago! Suzi=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 16:11:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KBJ2g026528 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:11:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65KBHgT015501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:11:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65K5Uqf017115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65K5SmE096458; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l65K5OuL096256 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:05:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57119 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2007 20:05:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dytOmdbe8AZX/UsQ+75mDb04XUK9F1mkH50LPtEqxIP4YynVLLuGPsW5KDWLo0Ljx29Kb93QXFTi7/sXu6Glk+p7bJTtwJqZVGOeGXy4eUVR9Dxtwtbzpw1eeEW5n3eFLIy/LD//ltKtOLWvJtBVsc2UW4+iHGFvMpiUaKDSNxE=; X-YMail-OSG: x8ufWzIVM1nR1NUZk18NOT0Xo8mntpLEQXPuxkQ6ULFgnsZ4_cK6CLrRuw7jm3Tl36N8ISOTKNhIPr8ZNXyO1Fpk1CQB5tT25e6mGmHBunoMpsJ787M- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:05:18 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <233709.33124.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <229.56711.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 756aab4d-1022-4ec5-b149-9fa0b13c3b8d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468D5065.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of something summery with pinks and greens, but the black does sound yummy. Hmmm, maybe for next year. I look terrific in black. ;-) Something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Silk-Satin-Charmeuse-Fabric-Fairy-Lillies-Per-Yard_W0QQitemZ130126819853QQihZ003QQcategoryZ28158QQcmdZViewItem or http://tinyurl.com/33bbjr Or possibly that for the under dress and a solid green for the tunic, if I can find the right color. Or maybe the other way around. Thanks for the idea! MaggiRos --- Kathy Page wrote: > MaggiRos, > > Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon > with both jet and iridescent black beading, both > tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern for > the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from the > edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only a > thing line of them at the hem to frame it. > Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and thigh > to get maximum light, as the black on black might be > lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work into > where the light will catch it - across the chest and > centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle where > it will take the weight. You might even find a > patterned chiffon out there to get you started. > > Kathy > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 16:18:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KIOLC026858 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:18:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65KIM8l019620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:18:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65KHn5x019338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:17:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KHmqK010082; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KHjq1009958 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l65KHe113912 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:17:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <14EECD35-55F4-450B-B83F-9D31524DBE59@alfalfapress.com> From: Althea Turner Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:17:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for hi-rez images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1becb10-6942-491c-a100-dfba747dba7b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468D520E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings all, I am looking for hi-rez images of the extant arming coats of the Black Prince and of Charles of Blois, and of the Effigy of the Black prince in Canterbury Cathedral. This is so I can make line drawing illustrations for a class I am teaching later this summer. I've found several low-rez versions on the web, but am hoping you know of better images. Thank you! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 16:34:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KYqDf027730 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:34:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65KYn5C026954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65KYNAn021990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KYLXs025656; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KYH1F025606 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 079D83F5EE for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:34:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:34:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705120434.05955ee0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 851c1718-6e97-4519-aca4-fb289307fddd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468D55E9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Nice. Someone may have already suggested it but how about some small lace along the edge as an option? metallic? Or combine the split and gold lace? De whose brain this week seems to be in first gear and slips into neutral periodically. -----Original Message----- Thanks, but I have patterns for sleeves like those, from Hunnisett, and have actually made long sleeves like that for another garment. http://tinyurl.com/2gmgoq This is my current favourite - I like the split at the bottom edge. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 16:39:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KdIow027950 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:39:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65KdGKv024905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:39:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65KcgGm022632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Kcf9W029780; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:38:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KccHB029732 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:38:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so4811waf for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=asRc1CiUlLf0CW2vq52OIf1qcHIRp+wXvY1fBEmpWRqamQrPfJdK5vYTwpd9Po0Fp12ds1aTmQKUM9wsNbBep1t6rYYbbL5Z3H6AqRlhCuKXMzMBKSkl9nYK1iKBplcn/OTWjgRecB+PDsCEWfPZn9EmIp6B4/pJGB6MfhfTm7k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uO7ikAjv0Ra5vZStejrPjnM1OQxAxJd18+BsltfT1P47U/oz7b77gZ/Idrc1jkG8fNEIes30YlBDUSSxHpILIJdxatsmOO5Q8GHstctEzSTpeJnLMGX8dh1f9FFnIBQXeHoHtkm24X676bXaGEMmOSEOEKEmMbmMgnuYTd9Z+e4= Received: by 10.115.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr352wai.1183667918641; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.102.18 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070707051338j7abdc53s212424fe6f94159f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:38:38 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 In-Reply-To: <229.56711.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <233709.33124.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <229.56711.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ec28b10-ea6b-4992-b24d-66b8af5a358e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468D56F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I look > terrific in black. ;-) > > Something like this: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Silk-Satin-Charmeuse-Fabric-Fairy-Lillies-Per-Yard_W0QQitemZ130126819853QQihZ003QQcategoryZ28158QQcmdZViewItem > or > http://tinyurl.com/33bbjr > > Or possibly that for the under dress and a solid green > for the tunic, if I can find the right color. Or maybe > the other way around. > > Thanks for the idea! > > MaggiRos > > --- Kathy Page wrote: > > > MaggiRos, > > > > Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon > > with both jet and iridescent black beading, both > > tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern for > > the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from the > > edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only a > > thing line of them at the hem to frame it. > > Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and thigh > > to get maximum light, as the black on black might be > > lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work into > > where the light will catch it - across the chest and > > centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle where > > it will take the weight. You might even find a > > patterned chiffon out there to get you started. > > > > Kathy > > > > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. > Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 16:49:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KnKaN028455 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:49:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65KnIDh005198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:49:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65KmwuI026553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65KmuUt040200; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Kmqrg040130 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:48:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AADE93F3A8 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:48:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:49:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <229.56711.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8811ed2-b4b5-4432-9c80-d54d69978540 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468D594E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How about making the tunic out of lace and add a few pearls, pink, green and clear beads to spots. De -----Original Message----- Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of something summery with pinks and greens, but the black does sound yummy. Hmmm, maybe for next year. I look terrific in black. ;-) Something like this: http://tinyurl.com/33bbjr Or possibly that for the under dress and a solid green for the tunic, if I can find the right color. Or maybe the other way around. Thanks for the idea! MaggiRos --- Kathy Page wrote: > MaggiRos, > > Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon > with both jet and iridescent black beading, both > tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern for > the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from the > edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only a > thing line of them at the hem to frame it. > Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and thigh > to get maximum light, as the black on black might be > lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work into > where the light will catch it - across the chest and > centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle where > it will take the weight. You might even find a > patterned chiffon out there to get you started. > > Kathy > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 18:20:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MKI8t000312 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:20:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65MKFxJ014083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:20:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65MJYrv046113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MIfvn030042; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MIb8M029911 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d6a.a741e1a (48624) for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:18:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4af98ed9-3dd0-4f38-8593-cff348a36033 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468D6E9F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How Hi-res do you want? I don't know of any on the web, but I have some pretty large scans from various books. The Charles is 3 MB with 1-2 MB details. Beth At 03:49 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:17:29 -0700 >From: Althea Turner > >Greetings all, > >I am looking for hi-rez images of the extant arming coats of the >Black Prince and of Charles of Blois, and of the Effigy of the Black >prince in Canterbury Cathedral. This is so I can make line drawing >illustrations for a class I am teaching later this summer. I've >found several low-rez versions on the web, but am hoping you know of >better images. Thank you! > >Althea Turner >althea@alfalfapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 18:27:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MRngb000642 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:27:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65MRlob018528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:27:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65MRCL4047871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:27:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MRC21038107; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MRAtu038074 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id v1so29257nzb for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:27:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=PyO0jeWGHyUtBP7yubI/TdC7M011+2Qa2NGvhzLSfBAKwr0aUZjbIjimoV48/bue37qQIm6tzyRYiygnj+uYCIHgQuqGdr1vrAATbpEnwMtQErrtPHWjYwIMtDbRp0CBY+Q3Jt0/JMZ75r4ZxcsVFRm+nKleNz9mH1YBGqJ8A/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=J8Ht6XrBdFP2b/l5yMNQyuGa+bNCA18XKT1vJ5+1NaOazqFpsTGGZ1f4NQEqj3nv5Zs6MPrrBUXPXRPzUGanYT2/IiQ11tI1VwS+cb7RLJB3i+E2XCzQeqkpU3M5mUfZRguj2mPrDyB9plyeF1Cto2GcQrOyQMcsQQJckl0SflU= Received: by 10.142.232.20 with SMTP id e20mr5590wfh.1183674429499; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:27:09 -0700 From: Cin To: "Suzi Clarke" , h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? 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Details please if so. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 18:36:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MaCd8001114 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:36:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65MaATA018803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:36:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65MZklb050291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:35:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MZjrk046386; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MZdvW046242 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=t4rxIGgRMy6Z74LbjEsA:9 a=anGfmsFgioUiIDZCfzAA:7 a=WF_i_wimeO4sRgL_D84J-bxH2cEA:4 a=jKr14Y5rOoUA:10 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,505,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6022040" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2007 23:30:47 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705233237.028123b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:35:33 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620 dress images? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705120434.05955ee0@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f21adf9-1407-4837-8144-1a2356919df1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468D725A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 21:34 05/07/2007, you wrote: >Nice. >Someone may have already suggested it but how about some small lace along >the edge as an option? metallic? >Or combine the split and gold lace? I have some gold/crimson/blue brocade left from the underskirt which will edge inside the sleeve, plus whatever is left of the 50 metres of gold braid/lace which I am sewing to the crimson/blue shot taffeta of the skirt, bodice and sleeves - this will shine, you can be sure of that!! >De >whose brain this week seems to be in first gear and slips into neutral >periodically. >-----Original Message----- >Thanks, but I have patterns for sleeves like those, from Hunnisett, >and have actually made long sleeves like that for another garment. > >http://tinyurl.com/2gmgoq > >This is my current favourite - I like the split at the bottom edge. > >Suzi > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 18:46:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MkuvN001617 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:46:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65MkrX7019510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:46:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65MkJUe052517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MkH1h055917; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:46:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l65MkEUA055772 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:46:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64947 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2007 22:46:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uYPWVSMsKiOm9I717KWUym4ChF7nW/hyFIuN+UGdQmxu27LMXMxoCLF7RxNrXIYdLK+ekC/t6Oksho0n9aCYXq7XJcVnVrEWdBVZt112BkP3nFV21ao8jTVyQG4SFAGQyHtkdCOquhujAmgzfv9nE8Zb6bAbG587n+kHWjyOi7E=; X-YMail-OSG: OPuOBjgVM1mlPc8iVcLq8U_dbxE3Z7aIr0iCUtczl6UPcBK0LdSO17UssTBYmWp3582MptKPiw-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:46:09 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <110436.64402.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98e20369-9895-4dd4-a279-798e0d696837 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468D74DD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 18:49:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Mn08i001727 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:49:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65MmwJl014558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65MmWYP053059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:48:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MmWcR058222; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:48:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MmSpE058144 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1I6a7f-0009rD-GL for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:48:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:47:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie References: <003201c7b839$0e76ecb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <08F59680-E5D5-4289-B31B-A334B8328356@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <08F59680-E5D5-4289-B31B-A334B8328356@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U () X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d0dd4e6-a17e-4f95-b207-64324a5ba540 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468D755A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Glenda. -----Original Message----- I've had no messages for a week - is anybody out there?? -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 18:57:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Mvn5x002159 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:57:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65Mvlxp022571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:57:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65MvU43054895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MvTSB066345; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MvPO5066209 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:57:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:57:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:57:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "TheRenaissanceTailor" , "GermanRenCostume" , "h-costume" , "thefrazzledfrau" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:59:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:59:22 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2007 22:57:20.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[D783AF60:01C7BF57] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72bce9e3-c5a6-4947-ab69-c1aa4080a156 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468D776B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry for the X-posts.... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpg Any thoughts on the cut of the coat and sleeves of the woman's Schaube? Here is a similar one for a man. = http://public.fotki.com/wickedfrau/schaube/mansschaube.html My theory....coats are very full, and may be cut from a rectangular = piece of fabric. I am not even sure this is a separate sleeve. If you = have any other examples, please show me! Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 18:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Mxrvl002259 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65MxpWJ004883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65MxV4q055281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MxU0t067990; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65MxMCF067845 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1930735E31 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:59:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:59:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1920 pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5ed5538-b341-49a5-98dc-a9eeefa8135d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468D77E7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ugh, sorry about the links. http://public.fotki.com/wickedfrau/schaube/mansschaube.html http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "TheRenaissanceTailor" ; "GermanRenCostume" ; "h-costume" ; "thefrazzledfrau" Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve Sorry for the X-posts.... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpg Any thoughts on the cut of the coat and sleeves of the woman's Schaube? Here is a similar one for a man. http://public.fotki.com/wickedfrau/schaube/mansschaube.htmlMy theory....coats are very full, and may be cut from a rectangular piece offabric. I am not even sure this is a separate sleeve. If you have anyother examples, please show me!Thanks,Sg_______________________________________________h-costume mailing listh-costume@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 19:38:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65NcsH6003863 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:38:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65NcqGW001261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:38:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65NcL6O063697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65NcHR7000455; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from victory.concentric.com (victory.concentric.com [207.155.253.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65NcDp4000398 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by victory.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 89C161F2F; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.156) with Concentric Web Mail; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:38:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200707040051.l640pLU1085624@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20070705233809.89C161F2F@victory.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 811619e1-268d-4899-8406-e5d4654ac1d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468D810C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO OK. I've resisted as long as I could. Of course I remember what I was wearing in 2002-4 because I'm still wearing= it - and from much earlier too. It's probably heresy on a fashion-related= list, but I refuse to wear some of the ugly junk that shows up in stores. = It's expensive and frequently in ugly and unflattering colors. I quit try= ing to follow the trends and I stick with what looks good on me...or at lea= st doesn't look too awful ;-) Julie ********** Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm > drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and > it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, > but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing > long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out > of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different > from today? > > Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 19:56:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65NuOAd004547 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:56:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l65NuMvc014284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l65Nu1sO066171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Nu0tV012928; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:56:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65NtvUg012826 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l65Ntpa30332 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:55:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070705222114.BFMV23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <200707052049.l65Kmxnn040259@net.indra.com> <20070705222114.BFMV23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Message-Id: From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for hi-rez images Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:55:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95b1c038-7a8d-465d-8104-c2e8c2860521 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468D8526.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Those would be wonderful! I"m trying to see detail so I can make an illustrated version. Thank you! Althea On Jul 5, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > How Hi-res do you want? I don't know of any on the web, but I have > some pretty large scans from various books. The Charles is 3 MB > with 1-2 MB details. > > Beth > > At 03:49 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote: >> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:17:29 -0700 >> From: Althea Turner >> >> Greetings all, >> >> I am looking for hi-rez images of the extant arming coats of the >> Black Prince and of Charles of Blois, and of the Effigy of the Black >> prince in Canterbury Cathedral. This is so I can make line drawing >> illustrations for a class I am teaching later this summer. I've >> found several low-rez versions on the web, but am hoping you know of >> better images. Thank you! >> >> Althea Turner >> althea@alfalfapress.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 20:24:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l660OAVW005486 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:24:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l660O7A9014752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:24:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l660NeN9069772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l660NcQN032708; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l660NYfF032643 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6636700049 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:16:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <20070705233809.89C161F2F@victory.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <20070705233809.89C161F2F@victory.concentric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707052016.03040.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b176874-eec0-457c-85ba-dda9fc7451bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468D8BA7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thursday 05 July 2007, Julie wrote: > OK. I've resisted as long as I could. > Of course I remember what I was wearing in 2002-4 because I'm still wearing > it - and from much earlier too. It's probably heresy on a fashion-related > list, but I refuse to wear some of the ugly junk that shows up in stores. > It's expensive and frequently in ugly and unflattering colors. I quit > trying to follow the trends and I stick with what looks good on me...or at > least doesn't look too awful ;-) Julie Oh, so do I! I also dislike throwing out a perfectly good dress or suit, so a lot of my wardrobe still dates back to the 1990s. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 21:12:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661CDmB007303 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:12:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l661CBO1030510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:12:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l661B5pu075384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:11:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661B2PI062780; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l65MTOrG040181 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59177 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2007 22:29:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PqiDn5/mO+doceUX2TXzi62her+bYr+ZEOznXhfHrM9b77Rye/70EMw38sZ2c/1tai1P1JirRYzGQRkg35E7xDfFQxoIcwyvtQDf4XXBXIhlND6kNIxebyrfJ0eSr3CjGGQ+knMZazzmuHMROIh3DKLlAlSZFzH+RGPVEjl9mh8=; X-YMail-OSG: OeAB1WsVM1nY6wsDVrA0t8hGb2HxTMDueacUjxnzr7hPnJ_Iikjokuw6y2cifeXdEKILVJmAyNzhJoQDa7fzo_qIbS9NE7mRDgKsOb8._vKerF2AiiRewXBcCyK_nA-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:29:19 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <795055.58527.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: cbea59dc-541f-4b87-b90d-2f86077f512e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468D96EB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm totally in love with this one, but I don't think it will go with the pink/green charmeuse. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230147316386&rd=1&rd=1#ebayphotohosting or http://tinyurl.com/2pvtf4 Oh I'm all in a dither. I've got to pick something and start or it won't happen at all! MaggiRos the twitterpated --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/5/2007 4:49:31 P.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > How about making the tunic out of lace and add a > few pearls, pink, green and > clear beads to spots. > > > > ************** > > And of course they make the most opulent already > embroidered / beaded / > beribboned fabrics in a host of colors. They are > expensive, but when the pattern > and cutting and form are so simple, you need a great > fabric to make is > luxurious. > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 21:12:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661CDcT007305 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:12:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l661CBp7030174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:12:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l661BVcO075432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661BUqq063131; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:11:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l65MiiJu054390 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30087 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2007 22:44:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=O1BcXhz4pnKuxzCJoSZs47pkGcMQ+m6vz8075hZW5QoEVDE+51FZvkGqkO/BqVWDpA3x0m38MAsw7ngYggFqflanotHP6rsXfJFjazw1MpJM3eIMeMC/QPIywH5V/wCeR0gqd0Mt8mFPXkCEd37wnQmLqmfZn7DchnkV8mP7lsc=; X-YMail-OSG: zP1jcrQVM1kG6rX4_5ScjA.nq1JoT0JS3Y_ZsMJ6DaIlMWK8bJ7g9m_9Kiz6sbQI16vveTkornN4NI46BH50OMDVjzrbjvNLQt0ms5Qt2Kr9lr8y90w- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:44:39 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070707051338j7abdc53s212424fe6f94159f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <616634.29635.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 767911f7-f2f6-43a5-93ce-e1c72778d2fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468D96EB.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've found a green that will go under it perfectly. It will also go under the embroidered black, so I'm going to go for it and do both! Mwahahaha. Two totally different looks off the same idea I'm feeling fairly evil, but it's payday, and I don't do this kind of thing very often. No honest. I swear. Not in silk. Never. Uh hunh, MaggiRos --- Katy Bishop wrote: > Nice fabric choice, very summery. Would work for > both evening and a > garden party or tea.... > > Katy > > On 7/5/07, MaggiRos wrote: > > Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month > > exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project > > isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of > something > > summery with pinks and greens, but the black does > > sound yummy. Hmmm, maybe for next year. I look > > terrific in black. ;-) > > > > Something like this: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Silk-Satin-Charmeuse-Fabric-Fairy-Lillies-Per-Yard_W0QQitemZ130126819853QQihZ003QQcategoryZ28158QQcmdZViewItem > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/33bbjr > > > > Or possibly that for the under dress and a solid > green > > for the tunic, if I can find the right color. Or > maybe > > the other way around. > > > > Thanks for the idea! > > > > MaggiRos > > > > --- Kathy Page wrote: > > > > > MaggiRos, > > > > > > Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon > > > with both jet and iridescent black beading, both > > > tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern > for > > > the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from > the > > > edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only > a > > > thing line of them at the hem to frame it. > > > Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and > thigh > > > to get maximum light, as the black on black > might be > > > lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work > into > > > where the light will catch it - across the chest > and > > > centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle > where > > > it will take the weight. You might even find a > > > patterned chiffon out there to get you started. > > > > > > Kathy > > > > > > > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. > > Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically > Everything > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com > www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 21:12:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661CjWa007321 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:12:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l661CgYA032251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:12:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l661CHYi075560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661CHuD063705; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65Nle6b007030 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:47:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.144]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070705234734.PORK7621.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:47:34 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.144]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070705234733.GJX4980.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:47:33 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:47:01 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? In-Reply-To: <200707052049.l65Kmxnn040259@net.indra.com> References: <200707052049.l65Kmxnn040259@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20070705234733.GJX4980.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: c6a753c3-6bb1-4a66-a9b9-08121c4f86a7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468D970B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi, Have you seen these? BURIAL CHURCHES OF SPANISH SOVEREIGNS http://homepage.mac.com/crowns/e/avgal.html Museo Iglesia del Salvador (Salvador Church=20 Museum ) (O=F1a, Province:=20 Burgos,=20 Region:=20 Castile-Leon,=20 Spain) where the remains of Sancho el Mayor of=20 Navarre and count Don Sancho Garcia of Castile,=20 whose dress has already been restored. It's=20 linen, silk and gold-thread dress, from 920 or=20 thereabouts, possibly made in Cordoba. http://www.spain.info/UK/TourSpain/DetailPage.aspx?postingpath=3D\Channels\T= ourSpain\Arte%20y%20Cultura\Museos\H\CW\0\Museo%20del%20Monasterio%20de%20Sa= n%20Salvador&contenttype=3DMuseum http://www.ayuntamientoona.com/sansalva.htm Beth At 03:49 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:39:17 +0100 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705193604.027fa370@suziclarke.co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed > > >I'll be going to Madrid again in a few weeks. I plan on finishing off >the third floor of the Prado, visiting the Borne-Misza Museum again >and showing my DH the Palacio Real. However, I have at the back of my >mind that there is a costume museum there, that I missed a couple of >years ago. Does anyone know of this - am I right? Details please if so. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 21:34:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661Y5dA008011 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:34:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l661Y35U003982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:34:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l661XUqX079174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661XTuK078302; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661XPRE078202 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.23]) by bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:33:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:33:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:33:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070706002056.0280fb20@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:30:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:30:55 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 01:33:20.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2ADFB40:01C7BF6D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4acdabc-4ea2-4421-9c93-cdb4b9c43098 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468D9C0B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO These make it pretty clear they are indeed not one with the rest of the coat. Thanks! Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve > At 00:02 06/07/2007, you wrote: > >Ugh, sorry about the links. > > > >http://public.fotki.com/wickedfrau/schaube/mansschaube.html > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpg > The man's sleeve can be seen on Holbein's iconic painting of Henry > Vlll, (tucked in behind the puff sleeve and hanging below the elbow) > and one or two portraits of Edward Vl. At least I think they are the > same, or very similar. > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Henry_VIII.htm > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Edward_VI.htm > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 22:57:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l662vdZo010614 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:57:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l662varI007555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:57:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l662v4pS096389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:57:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l662v18K037299; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:57:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l662uvls037218 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bcd.dff729c (42808) for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:56:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:56:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920 pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1152ca0b-a364-4c03-8c72-b9479e38e674 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468DAFA0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/5/2007 6:59:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: AlbertCat wasn't kinding about the lace and embroidery prices. http://tinyurl.com/2l7w2a http://tinyurl.com/26g2xg http://www.finefabrics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code= BD _______________________________________________ Yikes!....very expensive! But beautiful! How about this? [this is the price range I had in mind... it is 50-something wide.] _http://www.finefabrics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=16 0807-017&Category_Code=BD&Product_Count=20_ (http://www.finefabrics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=160807-017&Category_Code=BD&Product_ Count=20) The green...over some peach silk. Wasn't that the color range you had in mind? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 23:25:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l663Psni011545 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:25:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l663PqNx007218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l661CAab075532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661C9ck063607; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65NQ5rK090284 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=pG5FwBC2AAAA:8 a=3GbmggnxAAAA:8 a=6YPeZRJ4AAAA:8 a=xKGOxvWYvSvsYEjK7CIA:9 a=7-gaeWU7QH3O7CXC4CqshtGY4yEA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,505,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6109464" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2007 00:21:11 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070706002056.0280fb20@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:25:47 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37790f64-0683-463d-8c31-d36080bdc1df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468DB640.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 00:02 06/07/2007, you wrote: >Ugh, sorry about the links. > >http://public.fotki.com/wickedfrau/schaube/mansschaube.html >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Taufe-Christi-1556-Detail.jpg The man's sleeve can be seen on Holbein's iconic painting of Henry Vlll, (tucked in behind the puff sleeve and hanging below the elbow) and one or two portraits of Edward Vl. At least I think they are the same, or very similar. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Henry_VIII.htm http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Edward_Vl.htm Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 23:25:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l663Psnk011545 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:25:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l663PqO1007218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l661CWQR075624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l661CWMT063935; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66113Tv056343 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [10.40.36.10] (70-89-163-85-snowmass-club-co.hfc.comcastbusiness.net?[70.89.163.85]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070706010057014004unjee>; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:00:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070705233809.89C161F2F@victory.concentric.com> References: <20070705233809.89C161F2F@victory.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4627c7fae29e7076f78a9fa91eeacf2e@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:00:57 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 21119f3a-6d0b-4e5a-adc7-f2d714b481de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468DB640.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm sure a lot of us are still wearing the same clothes from years ago and earlier. I know I am! So what were you buying 5 years ago that you were still wearing? Sylrog On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Julie wrote: > OK. I've resisted as long as I could. > Of course I remember what I was wearing in 2002-4 because I'm still > wearing it - and from much earlier too. It's probably heresy on a > fashion-related list, but I refuse to wear some of the ugly junk that > shows up in stores. It's expensive and frequently in ugly and > unflattering colors. I quit trying to follow the trends and I stick > with what looks good on me...or at least doesn't look too awful ;-) > Julie > > ********** > Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm >> drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and >> it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that >> much, >> but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing >> long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out >> of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different >> from today? >> >> Sylrog > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 5 23:59:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l663x51s012535 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:59:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l663x3q9005982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:59:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l663tZwI005540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:55:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l663tXmn075562; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l663tUmB075490 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070706035526.OOGT17891.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:55:26 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.112]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id L3vQ1X0082SCRpw0000000; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:55:24 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070706002056.0280fb20@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:55:23 -0400 Message-ID: <00ae01c7bf81$7ac892c0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace/bebta74VyYMHRs+0PdEb0hP+dAAEww5g X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b88b2317-78fe-4b59-b5b2-133a0b50e393 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468DBE07.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I don't think that it looks like that. It appears to me that the sleeve is only attached at the back half leaving a hole through which the arm could pass. That is the way I saw it on the Henry portrait. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve These make it pretty clear they are indeed not one with the rest of the coat. Thanks! Sg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 7/4/2007 1:40 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 00:11:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l664BYlx012907 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:11:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l664BW4E009596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:11:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l664B8oC007768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:11:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l664B5De085116; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:11:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us (spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l664B1BC085052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (nat-pri-120-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.110.120]) (Authenticated sender: bchamber@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us) by spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57D01FC845 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:10:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:10:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: Ace/g6MmKKcwVoaxS5+aFhD3AncQaA== Message-Id: <20070706041052.B57D01FC845@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner-From: bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us X-Spam-Status: No X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Orleans museums X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10a8c57c-909f-4a0f-892e-e3ff8ea7b26a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468DC0F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 03:24:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l667O0Pb011115 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 03:24:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l667Nwia030131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 03:24:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l667N6JQ034630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l667N2M5009185; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l667MukX009122 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1I6i9W40xl-0002sV; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:22:56 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c7bf9e$761e3e60$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070706041052.B57D01FC845@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Orleans museums Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 03:22:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18JPr2he/TPU7dbFxGAv0kCdL1dhfqQAqrFaFi GsyUjdxZWvtHTgyAwFVNzNJls1i1fVNwfIZ877dmmnZp3Fi5VQ /B6IcW5paYHY21E6/cBBA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 604e0a5c-5887-4a62-a611-f79a64c89091 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468DEE0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Beth, See the Mardi Gras Museum next door to the St. Louis Cathedral. The costumes are wonderful and so creative. The museum is the building to the right of St. Louis. The Cathedral also has some nice statues. I don't know since the Katrina...about nighttime safety... But we took a carriage ride at night pre-Katrina. The vampire and haunted walking tours were on-going . Our driver encouraged us to make ghostly sounds when passing them. It was a hoot! We laughed ourselves silly. The tour also takes you by the oldest tavern in the city. The waiter will come out to your carriage, take your order, then deliver it to you while you are in the carriage. If you drink, try a hurricane but only drink one. It will stay with you for the night. The Mardi Gras shops on Toulouse St. have some wonderful beads. A friend of mine likes coffee. I bought her a necklace with coffee cups on it. The specialty necklaces prices are around 3 for $10. In the morning, it is really nice to walk around the French Quarter and see the hanging gardens from the balconies. There are wonderful coffee and pastry shops in the Quarter. St. Louis Square is a wonderful place to people watch. You will see all kinds of people. If you have a car, drive down St. Charles St./the Garden District or take the streetcar named "Desire" to the District. The old southern homes are beautiful! If you have time, LSU, Louisiana State University, in Baton Rouge always has a wonderful costume exhibit. Check their website. I will warn you to dress in light, breathable clothing. If you have a hand fan, bring it. It is really hot and humid on the Gulf Coast this time of year. I am originally from Biloxi, Mississippi and do not travel home, this time of year, if possible. I say that and had to go home for the past two summers. Praying that I don't have to go home this summer! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 04:08:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6688J1D015877 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:08:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6688GUD005158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:08:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6687oUr046141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:07:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6687njs035006; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6687jUa034920 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=n-kJSqksAAAA:8 a=dRKXiMPkAAAA:8 a=a_rDxQxzAAAA:8 a=gJjYr61agL8jJLTSXq0A:9 a=aNXekdkYcY028suIEpkA:7 a=5ea7SuvD4EgkSK9aCs-X-Tr0gn0A:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,506,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6052083" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2007 09:02:34 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070706090129.05a64cb8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:04:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumes in Madrid? In-Reply-To: <20070705234733.GJX4980.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emac hine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <200707052049.l65Kmxnn040259@net.indra.com> <20070705234733.GJX4980.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dfa546d-72df-44cd-802f-cc383220444e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468DF870.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 00:47 06/07/2007, you wrote: >Suzi, > >Have you seen these? > >BURIAL CHURCHES OF SPANISH SOVEREIGNS >http://homepage.mac.com/crowns/e/avgal.html > >Museo Iglesia del Salvador (Salvador Church=20 >Museum ) (O=F1a, Province:=20 >Burgos,=20 >Region:=20 >Castile-Leon,=20 >Spain) where the remains of Sancho el Mayor of=20 >Navarre and count Don Sancho Garcia of Castile,=20 >whose dress has already been restored. It's=20 >linen, silk and gold-thread dress, from 920 or=20 >thereabouts, possibly made in Cordoba. >http://www.spain.info/UK/TourSpain/DetailPage.aspx?postingpath=3D\Channels\= TourSpain\Arte%20y%20Cultura\Museos\H\CW\0\Museo%20del%20Monasterio%20de%20S= an%20Salvador&contenttype=3DMuseum > >http://www.ayuntamientoona.com/sansalva.htm > >Beth When I was in Madrid 2 years ago, they had an=20 exhibition of Burial Clothes at the Palacio Real=20 which I caught by the skin of my teeth - a day=20 later and I would have missed it! Unfortunately=20 we will only be in Madrid for 4 days - a=20 celebration of finally getting our son wed and=20 off our hands - so we won't have time to go=20 visiting. But I will mark these for future=20 reference - we plan to tour Northern Spain one day. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 09:54:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66DsGXf005296 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:54:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66DsDpT027459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:54:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66DrM8U039670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66DrIGs071838; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66DrFLO071806 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:53:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id v1so194931nzb for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aYhaM/tp/bvy+tfUwssmx3wipz+1903eawHMU/YFiIvHBQMkTH83j8RT5JrbbyDYaxzvwU1IxbYvNlgHkUK8j/MS68izpwXlcTCsxp0+JwfUG/guSD/F4SYtGK3eyMnYr5avqlciHeJ7DuvdJgo370lOuKYpyIbBlXdaR5dM+C8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q1th/RU60rD0qhUPa0ddzOBC6BfHEw+XQhDVx7itGrB1EEhbDPs6U3p08aIcxpmtqUvblcRewPpM2FvfKl1ub6e4y6de5+9z/vmcYJd1ttpZQXz4UcRIXTQC4zdLPm+aM77cn+2BoIVtuCImO6DEyprUQ3UTw/2oW2Euw0Tu1eo= Received: by 10.114.77.1 with SMTP id z1mr667905waa.1183729995062; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.58.15 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590707060653j33595fb1n52ab6a623bfa4584@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:53:15 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Orleans museums In-Reply-To: <20070706041052.B57D01FC845@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070706041052.B57D01FC845@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b1df7d5-79dd-4b74-a25f-eeac708fbd8e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468E4986.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not preciously costume related but there is an exhibit of Durer prints at the Fine Arts Museum this summer. alex On 7/5/07, Beth Chamberlain wrote: > I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one full > day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything as a > must-see for a costume junky? > > > > Thanks > > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 10:59:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66ExWWS012478 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:59:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66ExUIX027295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:59:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66EvHTD059903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66EvDCE029662; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66Ev9OM029511 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allison@aristotle.net) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-68-47-136-10.hsd1.ar.comcast.net[68.47.136.10]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <200707061457040140052a8ie>; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:57:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200707052347.l65NljEx007173@net.indra.com> References: <200707052347.l65NljEx007173@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2255004E-0CE8-43EC-B478-576F7CF8FDD3@aristotle.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Allison Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:56:53 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] how to make tear-away briefs? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 41660f3e-c812-4798-b3a4-6052b70193c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468E58D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello, all - I've got an interesting theatrical costume project. Am helping with a production of The Rocky Horror Show, and one character wants tear-away briefs for underneath his very short kilt. Any advice from you smart people? I've been told by someone who worked on The Full Monty crew to cut the side seams apart all the way, then re- attach with lightweight velcro. TIA, Allison P. n. b. - He IS wearing a dance belt underneath his briefs. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 13:09:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66H9U9L019214 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:09:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66H9SBo012318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:09:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66H8Ioh001785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66H88JT069717; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66ACQLR016138 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:12:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d5c.ba0d915 (65100) for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:12:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Orleans museums To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a45644c0-87e2-4685-83aa-9ba41adbdd72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468E7748.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/6/2007 12:11:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: Anyone recommend anything as a must-see for a costume junky? The Presbytere, in Jackson Square, has a Mardi Gras exhibit, including costumes. It is part of the Louisiana State Museums. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 13:12:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HCMN0019357 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:12:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66HCKYd027538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66HAspe002630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HApBT073533; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:10:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66EYl1m009446 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 06C0D2E8322 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:26:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 8D1A02E8332 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16222 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:34:45 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Orleans museums Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:34:36 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <870801590707060653j33595fb1n52ab6a623bfa4584@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] New Orleans museums Thread-Index: Ace/1RDQz7zcP81+TGe6A7ApwrAllgABV3Kg References: <20070706041052.B57D01FC845@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us> <870801590707060653j33595fb1n52ab6a623bfa4584@mail.gmail.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04abee1a-9923-4cd8-a400-9ce37907477d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468E77F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There is also a traveling exhibition: "Saved from the Storm" artwork from New Orleans. It is in Omaha, NE at the Joselyn Art Museum, where I live, should anyone on the list be traveling in the Plains area this summer Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Orleans museums Not preciously costume related but there is an exhibit of Durer prints at the Fine Arts Museum this summer. alex On 7/5/07, Beth Chamberlain wrote: > I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got=20 > one full day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone=20 > recommend anything as a must-see for a costume junky? > > > > Thanks > > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 13:23:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HN1u9019937 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:23:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66HMxSc031517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:23:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66HKWiY005579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HKUE3084886; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HKPjw084672 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:20:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:21:11 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Orleans museums Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:21:05 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0214C5E1@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] New Orleans museums Thread-Index: Ace/1RDQz7zcP81+TGe6A7ApwrAllgABV3KgAAXeEoA= From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 17:21:11.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C673630:01C7BFF2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37dbf69f-e911-416e-86cd-c1c789ae5f51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468E7A73.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just saw this - well worth checking out. Patty (who just happened to be in Nebraska at the time) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Abel, Cynthia Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Orleans museums There is also a traveling exhibition: "Saved from the Storm" artwork from New Orleans. It is in Omaha, NE at the Joselyn Art Museum, where I live, should anyone on the list be traveling in the Plains area this summer Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Orleans museums Not preciously costume related but there is an exhibit of Durer prints at the Fine Arts Museum this summer. alex On 7/5/07, Beth Chamberlain wrote: > I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got=20 > one full day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone=20 > recommend anything as a must-see for a costume junky? > > > > Thanks > > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 13:37:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HbTeW020756 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:37:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66HbQlp002920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66Halrt010259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66Haim5002255; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.219]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HafGM002105 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rharperny@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.43]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:36:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:36:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:36:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.214.17.5] X-Originating-Email: [rharperny@hotmail.com] X-Sender: rharperny@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200707061720.l66HKUDd084894@net.indra.com> From: "R Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:36:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 17:36:36.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[3398DD10:01C7BFF4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tear-away briefs... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65b1c2e4-f505-48fb-9d83-8ed397b2cd67 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468E7DD6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Hello, all - I've got an interesting theatrical costume project. Am >helping with a production of The Rocky Horror Show, and one character >wants tear-away briefs for underneath his very short kilt. I was told once by a fellow costumer who once worked for one of the many Chippendale's dance teams is that velcro was far too strong for tear-away clothing; too much wear and tear on the fabrics and the release was unreliable. What they used were little snaps, like the snaps used for baby clothing. I've never had occasion to use this technique, but I stored it away in my brain *just in case* I ever have occasion to sew for an ecdysiast... Richard in MI _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 13:41:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HfWKZ021002 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:41:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66HfTdF024310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:41:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66HesMn011571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66Hepgn006644; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta16.adelphia.net (mta16.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HekkV006511 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:40:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.86.24]) by mta16.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20070706174041.MFKN5501.mta16.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4DC3C98A4BB5419480BE68DE39090F77@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tear-away briefs... 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Am > >helping with a production of The Rocky Horror Show, and one character > >wants tear-away briefs for underneath his very short kilt. > > > > I was told once by a fellow costumer who once worked for one of the many > Chippendale's dance teams is that velcro was far too strong for tear-away > clothing; too much wear and tear on the fabrics and the release was > unreliable. > > What they used were little snaps, like the snaps used for baby clothing. > I've never had occasion to use this technique, but I stored it away in my > brain *just in case* I ever have occasion to sew for an ecdysiast... > > Richard in MI > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 13:42:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66Hg6Ki021042 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:42:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66Hg4Yx008544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:42:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66Hfgdx011804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HfdfQ007444; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HfYN3007331 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=7RCRk-5sz_CzFMfkgwwA:9 a=Mu1m5nfNLjaLeF0CY6H4cP17ygMA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,509,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6168480" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2007 18:36:08 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070706184017.0281a870@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:41:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tear-away briefs... In-Reply-To: References: <200707061720.l66HKUDd084894@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90145eac-18e8-429c-ab2e-ef0999c23b23 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468E7EEC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 18:36 06/07/2007, you wrote: >>Hello, all - I've got an interesting theatrical costume project. Am >>helping with a production of The Rocky Horror Show, and one character >>wants tear-away briefs for underneath his very short kilt. > > > >I was told once by a fellow costumer who once worked for one of the >many Chippendale's dance teams is that velcro was far too strong for >tear-away clothing; too much wear and tear on the fabrics and the >release was unreliable. > >What they used were little snaps, like the snaps used for baby clothing. >I've never had occasion to use this technique, but I stored it away >in my brain *just in case* I ever have occasion to sew for an ecdysiast... > >Richard in MI I've used a couple of stitches in the right places. You have to use proper cotton thread though - polyester and silk don't break easily enough. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 13:46:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HkqZg021267 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:46:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66Hkoc4013149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:46:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66Hk9xP013095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66Hk8Xi011789; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66Hk5uS011629 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so274899ika for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TwOTHc8RBmYeA/aWuo61fQRFyB13r1yuIzG7Xfp0RtkeG055OEpi0GLc17kIvXq+LEQ2ByT+NwJkrdDYH8TZpc1wJHnjovEF6Hlmm0XC30hjXbEtfXnJmBUTg4rpATE4omYqGZn4L9bww9E5xtUv8kWpqRWNF2EvNI2KgGpFFhs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VNoaz8slsoc//R9qUGpDdehSV60J5aWFsz7LEPGfxC9uxGXfDOdxaHYo+6XwKKI/qVzjEBAxdnCC+pFEsPoCD7SCPB2ZPIcbsZuQUFd0SRBgqDckeKLZgnMByPo2uoWR3RTj92Ci0XwHrvQxFAJ/OXVDNgbmL2swSQFPmBJriqg= Received: by 10.78.206.9 with SMTP id d9mr438478hug.1183743958976; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.131.18 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0707061045m3d8ab7bdtf6424ce53a9da970@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:45:58 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tear-away briefs... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200707061720.l66HKUDd084894@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87055aff-4aab-4e2f-94b3-c16e6dcee94d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468E800A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO OK, Richard. I hate not knowing a word so I had to look it up: eckysiast: n. a striptease performer ORIGIN 1940: coined by HL Mencken from the Greek ekdusis 'shedding,' on the pattern of 'enthusiast' I don't know when I'll have the opportunity to use it except in conjunction with my 2 year old niece, but it's a great word! Thanks, LynnD And now back to our program... On 7/6/07, R Harper wrote: > >Hello, all - I've got an interesting theatrical costume project. Am > >helping with a production of The Rocky Horror Show, and one character > >wants tear-away briefs for underneath his very short kilt. > > > > I was told once by a fellow costumer who once worked for one of the many > Chippendale's dance teams is that velcro was far too strong for tear-away > clothing; too much wear and tear on the fabrics and the release was > unreliable. > > What they used were little snaps, like the snaps used for baby clothing. > I've never had occasion to use this technique, but I stored it away in my > brain *just in case* I ever have occasion to sew for an ecdysiast... > > Richard in MI > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 13:51:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HpCpE021509 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:51:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66Hp9l0007580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:51:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66Hnv0P014133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66HnuxQ015679; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66Hno4V015456 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.245.87] Received: from [75.45.245.87] (adsl-75-45-245-87.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.245.87]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l66HnA7M004991 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:49:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <03F720FF-DBD9-42EB-A914-0D183B75137B@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tear-away briefs... Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:49:35 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10e58db1-afe1-460c-8547-752ab3c325f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468E810D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm with Richard (hi, Richard!) on the tiny snaps. That's what we've used in theatre in various similar situations--especially the strip number in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. The trick is deciding how much hold you need vs. how easily they need to release. In some places we used the tiny metal snaps, and in others the tiny plastic snaps. Melanie Schuessler (near Richard in MI) On Jul 6, 2007, at 1:36 PM, R Harper wrote: >> Hello, all - I've got an interesting theatrical costume project. >> Am helping with a production of The Rocky Horror Show, and one >> character wants tear-away briefs for underneath his very short kilt. > > > > I was told once by a fellow costumer who once worked for one of the > many Chippendale's dance teams is that velcro was far too strong > for tear-away clothing; too much wear and tear on the fabrics and > the release was unreliable. > > What they used were little snaps, like the snaps used for baby > clothing. I've never had occasion to use this technique, but I > stored it away in my brain *just in case* I ever have occasion to > sew for an ecdysiast... > > Richard in MI > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 14:57:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66IvKI5025099 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:57:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66IvHm8028896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:57:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66IubeR033375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66IuVAB087693; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66ItguK086129 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=a4JZRbId-gvOsZGR8yIA:9 a=0wg64bCKfdqst6hNu6rx738qLAgA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,509,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6179621" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2007 19:50:09 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070706195245.0281f648@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:55:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tear-away briefs... In-Reply-To: <8296995c0707061045m3d8ab7bdtf6424ce53a9da970@mail.gmail.co m> References: <200707061720.l66HKUDd084894@net.indra.com> <8296995c0707061045m3d8ab7bdtf6424ce53a9da970@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08d2a33c-4e75-4c70-a76b-870a9f884d30 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468E908D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 18:45 06/07/2007, you wrote: >OK, Richard. I hate not knowing a word so I had to look it up: > >eckysiast: n. a striptease performer >ORIGIN 1940: coined by HL Mencken from the Greek ekdusis 'shedding,' >on the pattern of 'enthusiast' > >I don't know when I'll have the opportunity to use it except in >conjunction with my 2 year old niece, but it's a great word! > >Thanks, >LynnD I remember that the script for "Gypsy" - the Broadway musical, not the film, used it - Gypsy Rose either called herself an ecdesiast, or one of the strippers, during the number "You've gotta have a gimmick" used it in dialogue. (I was wardrobe mistress in the West end - Angela Lansbury version - not a fun experience!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 15:59:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66JxACC028396 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:59:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l66Jx8PH032767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:59:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66JwYOj045922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:58:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66JwSaX051697; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66JwPug051506 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.14]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:58:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:58:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "TheRenaissanceTailor" , "GermanRenCostume" , "h-costume" References: <3245.65.182.231.123.1183691722.squirrel@mail.web-ster.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:55:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:55:48 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 19:58:20.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[0069E600:01C7C008] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Thoughts on the cut of Schaube/Sleeve X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90f0318f-27df-4cbb-949a-e7113ba485c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 468E9F0C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you for all your reply's. This is a response to several people's comments from several different lists. I have looked at other's research, (Marion and Myra), but this coat seems much fuller than Myra's version. (Yes Marion, please have your husband take pictures and post them! :) The shape is more boxy looking to me. There is such incredible variety out there on these coats; one could do a number of different things and find pictorial justification. I happen to like Kohler's ideas. And use him much the same as it sounds Katherine does. It is like a little puzzle and detective work to find the originals from which he drew his information. I'll have to get my hands on Hefner-Alteneck - I've not heard of him, but he looks like he precedes both Von Boehn and Kohler (I just realized that Kohler precedes Von Boehn and not the other way 'round - but at least he tells you where the pictures came from.) As to the origins of this garment: This is an excerpt from a paper I did a number of years ago for anyone who is interested: "Another, less exciting but very popular garment, which should be mentioned, is the "Schaube." It was so popular that it influenced foreign fashions at the time. Combined with huge sleeves and extended shoulders, this garment created an imposing figure. They clearly gave one status, so much so, that they were they made the list of demands from the peasants, during a revolt in 1524. In this case it was that they be allowed to wear a particular color of coat as the rich did. Rot hatte den Beigeschmack des Vornehmen, nur die besseren Stände konnten es tragen; als sich im Baurenkrieg dei gemeinen Leute in Langensalza empörten, lautete eine ihrer Hauptfordgerungen, sie wolten jetzt auch rote Schauben tragen wie die Reichen. (Von Boehn, Vol II, 98) Several examples of the garment "Schaube" can be seen in Figures 13 through 16. The first two are examples of German sitters. The following two are examples of foreign use. The first example is the English king, Henry the VIII, and the second, a pair of French ambassadors. Italian examples are plentiful as well. The origins of the word "Schaube" are probably French, but it was assimilated very early (13th century) and is also likely to have had the same origins as "Joppe." The following is an entry for Joppe in the Kluge Etymological Dictionary: Joppe Substantiv Femininum erweiterter Standardwortschatz regional (13. Jh.), mhd. jop(p)e, juppe (schope, schop[p]e m./f.) Entlehnung aus (älterem) it. giubba, guppa "Jacke, Wams," das seiner seits auf arab. Gubba "Obergewand mit langen Ärmeln" zurückgeht. Gleicher Herkunft ist vielleicht Schaube. Ebenso neuniederländisch jopper; Schaube. (Grimm) Oddly enough however Schaube is also very closely related to the word "Schaub." This is another word for "Garbe"; the word for "sheaf" in English. According to the OED, the origin of "sheaf" is Teutonic. The similarities between "sheaf," "sheath," "garb," "Garbe," "Schaub," and "Schaube" are difficult to ignore though none of the resources I looked at drew any of these connections." I actually like the more slim-lined version, but the fabric I have is very expensive and I want to use as much of it as possible because the leftovers would be pretty useless to me. Mine is just like this only the colorway is different. http://discountfabricsusa.stores.yahoo.net/amstvecbrbyb.html The charcoal is replaced by a deep rose or russet. The collar and some of the lining will be mink. The rest will be shot satin (synthetic - sigh) which coordinates with the rose color. I understand aversions to using real fur, but I recycle vintage items for this...little animals are already dead and gone.... Thanks for sharing.... Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 21:59:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l671xrM5012105 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l671xohq007021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l671thb9001868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:55:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l671tbub038893; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:55:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l671tWQL038835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:55:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-223-28-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.223.28]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l671tTTb024227 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:55:31 +1000 Message-ID: <003001c7c039$e5ed6e00$1cdff5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:55:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] your dream costume trip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ecee712-02da-4b60-908d-2cdc32efbabf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468EF397.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO So if you had 3 months (just to set an arbitrary limit to what you can see but feel free to ignore any time it might take to travel between museums/countries) to travel the world and see every costume related museum you could what would you want to see. My list: In the UK I'd have to prioritise the V&A, Museum of London, Museum of Costume in Bath (I missed that when I was in the UK a few years ago) & National Portrait Gallery (another one I missed on that trip and although it's not directly costume related I've got to see all those Tudor portraits). In the USA, The Met in New York (I'm not sure on their costume collection but I've heard good things about their art collection), Museum of Fine Arts Boston (if their online collection is anything to go by their costume collection must be pretty impressive) but that's all I could come up with off the top of my head, I know there's some good European museums but I don't know any names. So let your imagination fly and come up with your own list Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 6 22:35:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l672ZKoh013422 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:35:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l672ZI4i030949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l672Ykva007129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l672YiWa064548; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:34:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l672YgEl064458 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:35:27 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7C03F.7ADBA3FC" Subject: RE: [h-cost] your dream costume trip Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:35:28 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC638@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC638@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] your dream costume trip Thread-Index: AcfAOqEbCmbfqqWzSHSVkOpwhMLS5QAA/UeK References: <003001c7c039$e5ed6e00$1cdff5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2007 02:35:27.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AC71AD0:01C7C03F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 735ac64b-1811-4785-9c02-3a2df4fbba9a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468EFBE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C03F.7ADBA3FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget the Historic Costume & Textile Museum at Kent State = University in the USA. =20 Patty =20 =20 ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Fri 7/6/2007 9:55 PM To: Historic Costume Subject: [h-cost] your dream costume trip So if you had 3 months (just to set an arbitrary limit to what you can = see but feel free to ignore any time it might take to travel between museums/countries) to travel the world and see every costume related = museum you could what would you want to see. My list: In the UK I'd have to prioritise the V&A, Museum of London, = Museum of Costume in Bath (I missed that when I was in the UK a few years ago) = & National Portrait Gallery (another one I missed on that trip and = although it's not directly costume related I've got to see all those Tudor portraits). In the USA, The Met in New York (I'm not sure on their = costume collection but I've heard good things about their art collection), = Museum of Fine Arts Boston (if their online collection is anything to go by their costume collection must be pretty impressive) but that's all I could = come up with off the top of my head, I know there's some good European museums = but I don't know any names. So let your imagination fly and come up with your own list Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C03F.7ADBA3FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C03F.7ADBA3FC-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 01:43:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l675hhRE019464 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:43:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l675he2j006669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:43:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l675fAMx032073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l675f6ke076778; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l675f3RR076718 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20070707054058m1400nfntme>; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 05:40:58 +0000 Message-ID: <468F2767.60308@bovil.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:40:55 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tear-away briefs... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5741e1e2-dc31-448f-9b58-fb3e1ed8e292 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468F280C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO R Harper wrote: >> Hello, all - I've got an interesting theatrical costume project. Am >> helping with a production of The Rocky Horror Show, and one >> character wants tear-away briefs for underneath his very short kilt. > > > > I was told once by a fellow costumer who once worked for one of the > many Chippendale's dance teams is that velcro was far too strong for > tear-away clothing; too much wear and tear on the fabrics and the > release was unreliable. > > What they used were little snaps, like the snaps used for baby > clothing. I've never had occasion to use this technique, but I stored > it away in my brain *just in case* I ever have occasion to sew for an > ecdysiast... Yep. Snaps. Velcro doesn't let go (unless you're going to run your fingers along the seam). Why tear-away briefs, though? Are they going to show before they're torn off? If not, just have a pair of briefs that can be attached (not worn) under the kilt and pulled out. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 01:52:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l675qQjU019727 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:52:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l675qO2j023887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:52:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l675pxhK033338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l675pwkT083067; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l675ptwn082988 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=rzEWAIBuZLDHCa/EzSG+g4v6qJG61pIgoMyCVJP6VIIsWqccc0mmkpuOzAQAvDz+; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I73Cv-0007gf-Sj for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:51:50 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070707004614.0381aa80@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:49:31 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200707061720.l66HKUDc084894@net.indra.com> References: <200707061720.l66HKUDc084894@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5325234a3a243c1acbcb84a528a7fc8fa5b30a6ebbfd4ea5cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4044b52a-f720-4807-afdb-f32082cc111f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468F2A18.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I second the Mardi Gras Museum. Also fascinating, if not directly costume-related, is the Voodoo Museum (assuming it's still there after the storm). Sandy At 12:20 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:10:50 -0400 >From: "Beth Chamberlain" >Subject: [h-cost] New Orleans museums > >I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one full >day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything as a >must-see for a costume junky? > >Thanks >Beth "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 03:15:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l677FdBv012923 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:15:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l677Fa5L017208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:15:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l677F8ld044350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l677F1NT032133; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l677EvcF032077 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1I74VL2W2G-0001Z6; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:14:57 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c7c066$7ec25290$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003001c7c039$e5ed6e00$1cdff5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:14:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+cuzn9bIZLorQnb/e1yBrJTFzIzdbv854CGZV H/OTXRvyrEvaOxYM+sHAFMsjpRiMdItpSUpH2xlfJbAtiP6nx2 Wb1E4Rtzmuyp2/T9AEKUw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ddd1f696-44ff-4bc9-82cc-04654445cf0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468F3D98.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If I had three months, I have always wanted three months to research in Egypt. Within the next month or so, one dream trip is coming true. I am going to Philadelphia to see the King Tut exhibit. I would also like to visit the FIDM during Oscar week to view the film costumes nominated. Then watch the Red Carpet for the Oscars to see the fashions worn up close. I would also like to see Debbie Reynolds film costume collection I have also wanted to go to the Costume Institute at the MET, then see the Lion King play. I would love to go to Mexico for Day of the Dead. I saw a mini-version when I lived in New Mexico. I would also like to go back to the Folk Art Museum in Santa Fe, NM. This is one of my favorite museums. The displays are the best I have seen in a museum. Go to Carnival in Venice. Also, go to Rio for Carnivale. Another carnival related one, Gasparilla in Tampa, Florida. I would love to see the pirates taking over the city! I was so close to going to Gasparilla and couldn't because I was teaching at the time. These celebrations are actually high on my list with Egypt and the Oscars. I party hard when away from the kids! Those who have been at CSA symposiums know that I travel with a blender! Last weekend, another dream trip happened...not so costume related but fun! We went sailing on one of the tall ships. We took a short cruise on the York River from Yorktown, VA. We celebrated our 29th wedding anniversary on a sunset cruise. I would also love to go to the Vatican to see the art collection and the castles in Germany. My husband has been to Germany several times and has been most impressed with the castles. I am known for getting kicked out of museums... not for my partying or my blender ; >! I stay in museums and state libraries until I am the last one there. I always get a guarded escort out. I just don't want to leave until someone says that I HAVE to leave. Well, last week, I got kicked out of the National Archives! A new notch on my belt. LOL! I have been to the archives several times to research but had never seen the exhibits. So far I have been kicked out of: ***London's National Gallery, the Portrait Gallery, Tower of London, V&A, & St. Paul's Cathedral ***Liverpool's Cathedrals (I'm bad when I get kicked out of the Catholic and the Church of England's Cathedrals) ***Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh: Guards followed us around because I wanted to look up close to every brush stroke. I believe another he-costumer was with me for this one! ***Williamsburg Museum: I didn't get kicked out, but I was setting off alarms from getting to close to the needlework samplers. I just wanted to see the stitches up close! ***Virginia Historical Society: I was drawing floor plans for a class. ***Virginia Museum of Fine Arts: This one was not my fault... #2 son was a baby and wouldn't stop crying. Irony, he majored in art in college. And he is a big art critic! BTW, this was my first museum to be kicked out of. ***Library of Virginia: too many times to count! I was doing research. ***LDS local Library: many times! ***I even got kicked out of the Painted Desert. I will retract my VA Museum of Fine Art response about my first. The Painted Desert was my first! Believe it or not, the Painted Desert does close. I asked the ranger if they draw a big curtain around it. My husband and kids thought it was funny. But the ranger didn't and escorted us out. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 03:49:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l677npi7017483 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:49:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l677nmT1026176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:49:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l677nSbU048319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l677nQcn051295; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l677nMar051184 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.197.245 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=xvNgup0W4rqFZO2TYOkA:9 a=fXy5jsuWHts0HerFuF4A:7 a=sF_omKqeNf5Dx4KYIITPeFyUmTsA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,510,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6315526" Received: from 80-44-197-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.197.245]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2007 08:43:20 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070707084054.028298a8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 08:49:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip In-Reply-To: <003001c7c039$e5ed6e00$1cdff5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <003001c7c039$e5ed6e00$1cdff5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17f7aafe-d109-4627-9703-e3d13a7f7a00 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468F459C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 02:55 07/07/2007, you wrote: >So if you had 3 months (just to set an arbitrary limit to what you >can see but feel free to ignore any time it might take to travel >between museums/countries) to travel the world and see every costume >related museum you could what would you want to see. >My list: In the UK I'd have to prioritise the V&A, Museum of London, >Museum of Costume in Bath (I missed that when I was in the UK a few >years ago) & National Portrait Gallery (another one I missed on that >trip and although it's not directly costume related I've got to see >all those Tudor portraits). In the USA, The Met in New York (I'm not >sure on their costume collection but I've heard good things about >their art collection), Museum of Fine Arts Boston (if their online >collection is anything to go by their costume collection must be >pretty impressive) but that's all I could come up with off the top >of my head, I know there's some good European museums but I don't >know any names. >So let your imagination fly and come up with your own list >Elizabeth >-------------------------------------------- In no particular order, and assuming I would be allowed into the archives/stores, I think I would need longer than three months. But, supposing I had time Kyoto The Hermitage in St. Petersburg - I've seen some of the clothes from there - more, more!! The Collections in Florence (Pitti Palace, Uffizzi etc.) Musee des Arts et du Textiles in Paris Musee Galliera also in Paris The museum in Holland that is twinned with the Paris set up Musee du Tissus in Lyon - all that silk Platt Hall in Manchester The DAR Museum in Washington - I only saw the stores, not what was on display, and left 30 minutes after the place closed, and 3 hours after the curator left!! The Met in New York Colonial Williamsburg - I was there for about 75 minutes and barely shifted the covers, let alone scrape the surface LACMA, where almost nothing is on display, but they have a huge collection And that is just clothing. Another three years for the Art Galleries is needed I think. Greedy, moi? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 04:44:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l678is74025498 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 04:44:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l678iqd3023130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 04:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l678eM6x054055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 02:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l678eKLo077617; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 02:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l678eFTc077545 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 02:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070707084008.GBMX9463.fep30.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:40:08 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.23]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070707084007.MDX7584.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:40:07 +0200 Message-ID: <001901c7c072$6f872100$1714a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003001c7c039$e5ed6e00$1cdff5dc@user4712b7d135> <7.0.1.0.2.20070707084054.028298a8@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:40:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.23] at Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:40:00 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36a358c6-4363-476d-9097-272567ca6c73 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468F5284.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 04:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Suzi, I second your visits. I just wished i had the time for the small costume museum in Copenhagen, ben there a coupple of times, and i am always welcome again, but its the time i need! They have a lovely caraco jacket with matching skirt wich is embroidered. And i have a pattern draft of it, but the embroidery pattern is very poor, and i dont know wich collours are used. I surely want to go to see that next time, and take photos of the embroidery. Right at this moment a large packet is on its way to me from China with more than 2 kg. of embroidery silk in more than 450 collours, either next week or the week after its mine, all mine :-) Another dream i have is to go to Rosenborg and be allowed to examine the skirt wich belonged to Queen Caroline Mathilde, its also embroideredd very beautifully in the hem, meassure the embroidery, and make a pattern draft of the pattern........... The silver spangeled suit i am making right now, is from Sct. Petersburg, it was Tzar Allexanders suit while he was a boy, the russian costumes are outstanding beautifull. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip > At 02:55 07/07/2007, you wrote: >>So if you had 3 months (just to set an arbitrary limit to what you can see >>but feel free to ignore any time it might take to travel between >>museums/countries) to travel the world and see every costume related >>museum you could what would you want to see. >>My list: In the UK I'd have to prioritise the V&A, Museum of London, >>Museum of Costume in Bath (I missed that when I was in the UK a few years >>ago) & National Portrait Gallery (another one I missed on that trip and >>although it's not directly costume related I've got to see all those Tudor >>portraits). In the USA, The Met in New York (I'm not sure on their costume >>collection but I've heard good things about their art collection), Museum >>of Fine Arts Boston (if their online collection is anything to go by their >>costume collection must be pretty impressive) but that's all I could come >>up with off the top of my head, I know there's some good European museums >>but I don't know any names. >>So let your imagination fly and come up with your own list >>Elizabeth >>-------------------------------------------- > > > > In no particular order, and assuming I would be allowed into the > archives/stores, I think I would need longer than three months. But, > supposing I had time > > Kyoto > > The Hermitage in St. Petersburg - I've seen some of the clothes from > there - more, more!! > > The Collections in Florence (Pitti Palace, Uffizzi etc.) > > Musee des Arts et du Textiles in Paris > > Musee Galliera also in Paris > > The museum in Holland that is twinned with the Paris set up > > Musee du Tissus in Lyon - all that silk > > Platt Hall in Manchester > > The DAR Museum in Washington - I only saw the stores, not what was on > display, and left 30 minutes after the place closed, and 3 hours after the > curator left!! > > The Met in New York > > Colonial Williamsburg - I was there for about 75 minutes and barely > shifted the covers, let alone scrape the surface > > LACMA, where almost nothing is on display, but they have a huge collection > > And that is just clothing. Another three years for the Art Galleries is > needed I think. Greedy, moi? > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 14:25:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67IPCaa011862 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:25:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l67IPAUr031692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:25:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l67IOCKW056870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:24:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67IO7CX089453; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:24:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.200.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67IO4oM089372 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [10.40.36.10] (70-89-163-85-snowmass-club-co.hfc.comcastbusiness.net?[70.89.163.85]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2007070718235901500j14l4e>; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:23:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2189129162ed27e7be972703f3c43758@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:23:58 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1920s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ce6112b-8880-42d8-91c7-c3d787cd2302 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468FDA86.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO While channel surfing for a couple minutes I cam upon a movie made in the 60s that took place in the 1920s. Can't remember what is is, but it starred George Peppard and Elizabeth Ashley, among others. The Carpetbaggers maybe? Anyhow, I'm trying to figure out what is so wrong about the designer's attempt at 1920s women's clothing. Obviously the hair, for starters, which looks like the 1960s bouffant. The dress seems fairly 1920s and I realize that most women then were probably not built stick then to look like they do in all the renderings from the period. Elizabeth Ashleiy is very well endowed and it's leading me to wonder what busty women wore for bras then and would have given them the support they needed. The only bras I've seen from the 1920s are flimsy little silk things with no structure at all. And what would you use on a busty actress today to help give her that proper 1920s look? Sylvia Rognstad DIVINITY DESIGNS and EMERALDS http://www.d-e-designs.com Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll http://www.usalone.com/blogvoices.php?Cheney%20Impeachment%3F Add this text to your own email and blog signatures! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 16:37:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67Kb1D2017121 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:37:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l67Kax73032584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:37:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l67KZieo075955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67KZeln082682; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67KZcwR082649 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so146251nze for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:35:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SVbxoHet+nSttRV/7HzuQZgiSF1fnvJorF6QMU3k2gpFe4dSZzdyCB06njZavWvc4YEEXtLF1Eh3mKojDwcsvI+u9Mdo25cd9OcHWDiDzPz6ze1GcVuJYjl/YZf5bHT8jPSgXlePXlSQdSeKAryZJRX35Kii0hNWXADGJmzIgqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=o5i0KfVqyW45yHOqbZ0H6XeVMGAtxAwt2UtxPA8cMwgdPyDDzrN6MmrlS4OENJUdr1ntOo25f9VFUSMADM7t+Yw9r0p56ZCPl+xnuVhqPQ/pcfKDJIaVP46RwDevxb/px+0MdCbaieAVcPY9peKoOj/1Fw8qLiwvjKPRDvqeWXQ= Received: by 10.143.33.19 with SMTP id l19mr137449wfj.1183840537659; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:35:37 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] your dream costume trip MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9eb4f611-072f-4d8d-9bf8-26d6415aa20f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468FF96B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >So if you had 3 months (just to set an arbitrary limit to what you can see >but feel free to ignore any time it might take to travel between >museums/countries) to travel the world and see every costume related museum >you could what would you want to see. I'd prioritize several ways. Places I havent been: Museo de Traje (Madrid) Palais Galeria(?) & sometimes there's fashion exhibits at Gallerie Lafayette (Paris) Musee de Tissu (Lyons) Tessuti & The Lace Museum (Venice) Ranger's House jewelry collection (Greenwich, UK) Museum of London (London) Manchester & all the costume collections in the UK that arent in London Bata Shoe Museum (Ontario) Stibbert (Florence) Forbidden Palace Museum (Taipei) Museum of the Confederacy (Richmond VA) that ones in Barcelona, St Petersburg & Brugge & Amsterdam and Bjarne's living room so I can see his work up close. Stuff I dont even know about in the US: (I'll wait & find out what the rest of you list to fill this section in.) Places I have been, but the venue is small & the collection so large that when it changes there's a whole new experience: Pitti Palace (Florence) Kyoto Museum of Costume, Nishiki weaving district and Kyoto School of Kimono (Kyoto) Musee de la Mode, Louvre jewelry (Paris) Bunka Gakuin and TNM (Tokyo) V&A, Brit Museum jewelry collection (London) The Met, FIT (NYC) Eretz Israel ethnic costume collection (Jerusalem) Places that I've been, like the collection, but it's really an excuse to hang out with other stuff in the area: Benaki Byzantine Museum jewelry collection (Athens) Thessaloniki Archaeology jewelry collection (Thessalonika) Topkapi Palace jewelry collection (Istanbul) Provence Musee de Costume (Nice) funny, these are next to beaches in the Med! --cin Cynthia Bar,nes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 17:31:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67LVruJ019355 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:31:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l67LVoKb010761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:31:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l67LVPQY083665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67LVNS5020271; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l67LVJKw020173 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46108 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2007 21:31:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vih2TowWdcEO+agDIMrOYyjDEWdTRjaVDNszox8QD6d8xAtz0/+kXoV8Q45vUtyj9UGxupwY+j8Yt1K1w6CbPWE09/MSqL1rba2tH0fhqOdbK9M7Lul2+z9NSqqE7eF+7XNfswg22EUpEmzJnNDvgTyAvcTrQ6hXoL0xEjbSQcc=; X-YMail-OSG: pHajJwoVM1kys5TiU74drMya0kXpRs0_qeyt0mlh Received: from [69.182.135.153] by web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:31:13 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:31:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] your dream costume trip To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <307098.45128.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebb11120-8b06-4e3d-a663-fb926315494e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46900647.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- Cin wrote: > > travel the world and see every costume related > > museum you could what would you want to see. > > I'd prioritize several ways. Places I havent been: > Museum of the Confederacy (Richmond VA) > > --cin > Cynthia Bar,nes I was distinctly unimpressed by the Museum of the Confederacy. Costuming-specific, they has a little lacey knit mitt on display, which was labelled crochet. Unless crochet now means knit with holes in? The few & far between other clothing items on display were largely nothing that impressed me. fwiw. Ann in CT p.s., the whole 'roooomance of the glorious South' has pretty much passed me by; and this was before I read the letter about an uncle of mine getting his head blown off. ac ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 17:43:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67LhlxG019810 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:43:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l67LhiMx014298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:43:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l67LhKBn085079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67LhIZp027681; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67LhFOa027653 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-185-79-207.neo.res.rr.com [65.185.79.207]) by ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l67LhCaS023450 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009b01c7c0df$d1234ca0$0202a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200707061720.l66HKUDc084894@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070707004614.0381aa80@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:42:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8eb348e-5350-4302-ae7f-e93d6664fb0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46900910.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm pretty sure the Voodoo Museum is still there. I was in New Orleans just over a year ago; some of my friends went into the museum, but (IIRC) I believe there are steps inside which I couldn't navigate. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre & Sandy Pettinger" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans >I second the Mardi Gras Museum. Also fascinating, if not directly >costume-related, is the Voodoo Museum (assuming it's still there after the >storm). > > Sandy > > At 12:20 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: >>Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:10:50 -0400 >>From: "Beth Chamberlain" >>Subject: [h-cost] New Orleans museums >> >>I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one >>full >>day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything as >>a >>must-see for a costume junky? >> >>Thanks >>Beth > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 17:54:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67LsMhh020260 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:54:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l67LsKv6006290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:54:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l67LrsQq086258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67LrrNk033993; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67LrpSq033962 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 029AE3AC89 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:53:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1920s Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:53:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <2189129162ed27e7be972703f3c43758@ntw.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb142598-315f-4d2e-a805-39037a2446da X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46900B8C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.fashion-era.com/flapper_fashion_1920s.htm The 1920's Bra The bras of the early 20s include home made ones in white cotton and which were little more than bust bodices with extra separation. Some purchased bras were like camisoles and they offered no support. Big busted girls turned to bandaging their breasts flat, but many adopted the Symington Side Lacer, a bra that could be laced at both sides and pulled and pulled in to flatten the chest. For young ladies with youthful figures a satisfactory bra was the four sectioned lace bandeau bra, lined in net. None of the bras gave much shape, but few ladies were seeking anything more than stopping the bust from wobbling. As long as they looked boyish they looked fashionable. By the 1930s Triumph, Maidenform, Gossard, Warner Brothers, Spirella, Twilfit and Symingtons were all making bras that did the job of separating the breasts. At the same time it was finally acknowledged that women had differing cup sizes and bra sales doubled with the new designs. The Symington Side Lacer After 1918 fashion bras were simply lace fabric bands with straps. The boyish figures needed for styles by designers like Chanel didn't need upholstered corsets. The best bra to get the right effect was called the Symington Side Lacer, a reinforced bust bodice. Side lacing meant that it flattened the bust when laced tightly. Soon the word brassiere was abandoned for bra and ever since in fashion history we have referred to the bra. -----Original Message----- The dress seems fairly 1920s and I realize that most women then were probably not built stick then to look like they do in all the renderings from the period. Elizabeth Ashleiy is very well endowed and it's leading me to wonder what busty women wore for bras then and would have given them the support they needed. The only bras I've seen from the 1920s are flimsy little silk things with no structure at all. And what would you use on a busty actress today to help give her that proper 1920s look? Sylvia Rognstad _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 18:03:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67M3b0q020652 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:03:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l67M3Zkk014736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l67M3E70087393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67M3DhD040065; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l67M3Ah9039966 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46169 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2007 22:03:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Wu0Cwb2vQ5wOWdWeB/09xeQ8rZXWLAakfMy4a221r9XGHGOl9+uGnzB8MTJMTyRtmxZGSjtC532foEdrulCQPL1UAagrH7vgS3mMBdjeY4e/my7SrVtjhzkcG9nkITNtGJyezgbzn0N1homwSIADJFhh3RimNMN+bAFkjrPLdLs=; X-YMail-OSG: QwItehoVM1ki_9IfDg9_ONg0w4YDfJN_9qM93jFEcC4G0.0SY7aSesPBmJW.1iyeJ3v5RijMHVQf33qg8965fUPR.UQ1hWggg0cfkp9SW0Pl2l3YviljcEtv_8CotA-- Received: from [69.182.135.153] by web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:03:04 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <2189129162ed27e7be972703f3c43758@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <913901.42806.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6ddc84b-c409-4721-838e-fd48ae3aa17e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46900DB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > a movie made in the 60s that took place in the 1920s. > it's leading me to wonder what busty women wore for > bras then and would have given them the support they > needed. The only bras I've seen from the 1920s are > flimsy little silk things with no structure at all. > And what would you use on a busty actress today to > help give her that proper 1920s look? > > Sylvia Rognstad I'm not at all sure that 'support' per se was aimed at. The previous decade or two positively encouraged sagging breasts for all the corsetry. I'm thinking more 'flattening'. And try to find something like Sears catalogs of the relevant year or years, as they catered to more ages than just the young, svelte, pre-flattened or boyish girl's figure. >From Tara McGinnis's website: some 'corsolettes' in the center of the page. Despite the extremes of the fashion sketches, ordinary women, and even manequins, were expected to have a bit of softness to their figures. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 18:07:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67M792j020806 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:07:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l67M775t012418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:07:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l67M6i84087924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67M6hlt042447; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67M6e8F042405 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([71.253.229.159]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKT00LDGXECXLU5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:06:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:06:11 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <003301c7c0e3$07d97730$0400000a@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200707061720.l66HKUDc084894@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070707004614.0381aa80@pop.radiks.net> <009b01c7c0df$d1234ca0$0202a8c0@Duncan> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bc2b0d0-560f-40ab-a5d2-281a8bd2707e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46900E8B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The VooDoo Museum is still there. Or at least if it is gone it isnt due to the storm. It was still there last year. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans > I'm pretty sure the Voodoo Museum is still there. I was in New Orleans > just over a year ago; some of my friends went into the museum, but (IIRC) > I believe there are steps inside which I couldn't navigate. > > kate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pierre & Sandy Pettinger" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:49 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans > > >>I second the Mardi Gras Museum. Also fascinating, if not directly >>costume-related, is the Voodoo Museum (assuming it's still there after the >>storm). >> >> Sandy >> >> At 12:20 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: >>>Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:10:50 -0400 >>>From: "Beth Chamberlain" >>>Subject: [h-cost] New Orleans museums >>> >>>I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one >>>full >>>day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything >>>as a >>>must-see for a costume junky? >>> >>>Thanks >>>Beth >> >> "Those Who Fail To Learn History >> Are Doomed to Repeat It; >> Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- >> Why They Are Simply Doomed. >> >> Achemdro'hm >> "The Illusion of Historical Fact" >> -- C.Y. 4971 >> >> Andromeda >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 20:58:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l680wcpA028400 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:58:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l680wacA028191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:58:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l680u526008381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l680u1Tr037946; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l680tvvU037811 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BAY106-W25 ([65.54.161.125]) by bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:55:52 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.58.206.191] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] your dream costume trip Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:55:52 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2007 00:55:52.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB7766F0:01C7C0FA] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4419ea48-26fc-4dcd-8120-9f9a51e00ad3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469036BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Interesting how different people respond to different things. My all-time = favorite costuming "stop" was the Museum of the Confederacy. Go figure. I= found the curator VERY accommodating--our scheduled half-hour behind-the-s= cenes-down-in-the-archives trip to look at a maximum of three items turned = into a four hour quick and dirty look at every single piece of fabric in th= e archives. It all depends on what you are looking for, I guess. My husba= nd and I are both very interested in military uniforms, which is much of th= e focus of course. However, I'm also an avid researcher of the city of Win= chester, Virginia vis a vis the Civil War. One of my favorite diaries fro= m Winchester was by Cornelia Peake MacDonald. Mrs. MacDonald had a new br= onze silk dinner dress made in anticipation of a scheduled dinner with her = husband's commanding officer, General Stonewall Jackson. Instead, Jackson= was wounded at Chancellorsville and subsequently died of his wounds before= the planned dinner could take place, and Mrs. MacDonald carefully packed a= way the bronze silk dress unworn. Finding it on display at the Museum of t= he Confederacy, along with Mrs. MacDonald's daughter's beloved doll which s= he also mentioned in her diary, was worth the trip for me and brought me to= tears because I knew the story "behind the scenes" as it were. My husban= d, by contrast, had been reading a specific soldier's diary on our trip, an= d was thrilled to find the man's uniform coat down in the climate controlle= d storage units.And if you're looking for "pretty stuff", the Valentine Mus= eum is just down the street from the Museum of the Confederacy. They have = one of the largest collections of women's historical clothing in the United= States. They are also amenable to scheduled trips into the archives to e= xamine their pieces. And again, we found the museum curator VERY accommoda= ting, and spent several hours examining any number of garments over and abo= ve the "allowed" number before we adjourned for an impromptu lunch to discu= ss historic clothing. One place I haven't heard anyone mention is a bit of= f the beaten path. About four years ago, my girlfriend took me to the Univ= ersity of Rhode Island to see their historic clothing collection. I found = a fabulous variety of women's dresses, outerwear, bonnets, shoes, accessori= tes, etc. that was very comprehensive between 1800-1920. Again, we were as= signed a graduate student who was very accommodating and basically turned u= s and our cameras loose to spend a wonderful afternoon "playing" in the sto= re room. I couldn't tell you the exact number of items they have, but I kn= ow I burned through two 1 gig memory cards in the digital camera in short o= rder, and had to go down and get my friend's digi out of the car.Bottom lin= e: I guess you get out of something what you're willing to put into it. I= f you're well-versed and interested in what a specific museum has on displa= y, you'll probably go home happy. If you don't have a specific knowledge o= r interest, you're far more likely to go home disappointed. A friend just = returned from a trip to China. She now regrets that she didn't learn more = about Chinese history and culture BEFORE her trip, because many of the thin= gs she saw had little significance for her without the background knowledge= .One other place I just remembered--if you're interested in historic milita= ry uniforms, an absolute must-see is the Artillery Museum in Newport, RI. = Absolutely wonderful, lots of great things on display, and once again, trem= endously accommodating docents and curator.LuAnn> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:= 31:13 -0700> From: elvestoorder@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] your dream= costume trip> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: > > > --- Cin wrote:> > > > travel the world and see every costume related> > > muse= um you could what would you want to see.> > > > I'd prioritize several ways= . Places I havent been:> > > Museum of the Confederacy (Richmond VA)> > > = > --cin> > Cynthia Bar,nes> > I was distinctly unimpressed by the Museum of= the> Confederacy. Costuming-specific, they has a little> lacey knit mitt = on display, which was labelled> crochet.> > Unless crochet now means knit w= ith holes in?> > The few & far between other clothing items on display> wer= e largely nothing that impressed me.> > fwiw.> > Ann in CT> p.s., the whole= 'roooomance of the glorious South' has> pretty much passed me by; and this= was before I read> the letter about an uncle of mine getting his head> blo= wn off. ac> > > > _________________________________________________= ___________________________________> Need a vacation? Get great deals> to a= mazing places on Yahoo! 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Allison P. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 7 23:45:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l683jnnK005945 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:45:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l683jlZH023254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:45:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l683jHRN031717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l683jEb6029210; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l683jBFu029151 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d33.10ea47b1 (32914) for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:45:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 278432d9-7f83-4a34-9ccc-2e533e60c488 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46905DEB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Looked great! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 03:12:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l687C6uo016181 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:12:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l687Br1o015683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l687BAJ3055652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 01:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l687B6f7034906; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 01:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l687AvGB034780 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 01:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sonja@louisiana.edu) Received: from pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.229]) by marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-mx-host_1.9a) with ESMTP id l687Ao8V015942 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:10:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from louisiana.edu (skr5996@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-client_1.7) with ESMTP id l687AnFr020406 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:10:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sonja (LS-LAMP)" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:10:49 -0500 Message-Id: <20070708055844.M57863@louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <200707071800.l67I0JLf072870@net.indra.com> References: <200707071800.l67I0JLf072870@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060831 X-OriginatingIP: 68.229.156.23 (skr5996) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4aa7738-905c-4d47-b569-05ef1f7b4c81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46908E39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The Mardi Gras Museum is good bet.  The Backstreet Cultural Museum (near the Quarter) has the largest collection of Mardi Gras Indian costumes.  It also includes history of jazz funerals and other New Orleans traditions.  The Presbytere in Jackson Square has good historic Mardi Gras costumes.  The Voodoo Museum is up...so is the Haunted History Tour that departs from one of my favorite spots Rev. Zombie's Voodoo Shop.  Great stuff.  You can also find antique shops around the French Quarter that sell real antique clothing.  I am sorry to say that the French Market is still getting back to pre-disaster days.  I stopped in a few months back and only about a third of the place was running.  However, work was in progress at the time.  You are sure to have a wonderful visit, but please remember to be aware and be careful.   S. > Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Orleans > To: h-costume@indra.com > > I second the Mardi Gras Museum.  Also fascinating, if not directly > costume-related, is the Voodoo Museum (assuming it's still there > after the storm). > > Sandy > >Subject: [h-cost] New Orleans museums > > > >I'm going to be in New Orleans for a conference next week. I've got one full > >day and some scattered time for sight seeing. Anyone recommend anything as a > >must-see for a costume junky? > > > >Thanks > >Beth > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 05:15:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l689FR1A022106 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 05:15:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l689FPkd016941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 05:15:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l689EvZh069419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l689EsVG096011; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l689EoC1095913 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070708091442.ZFDF5841.fep34.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:14:42 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.106]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070708091442.VAM2795.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:14:42 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:14:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.63.231.106] at Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:14:35 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 776ea5ed-1a9d-4d52-8933-81e4967b9c99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4690AB2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Its sunday, and usually borring on h-costume so i thoaght it would be ok to send a clip of Christian Lacroix' new collection, to me it looks fabulous, with lots of gorgeous beadings. The weddingdress is very italian rennaissance fantasy to me............. http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 06:44:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68AiNPc030381 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:44:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68AiLmL022803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:44:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68AgpMR080979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68AgmbR044823; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian2.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68AgiXX044696 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0308.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.53]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BAB319079 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:42:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4690BFB0.2080907@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:42:56 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix References: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0097e152-e460-4e3c-a5ec-32bfd87db5d8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4690C005.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The weddingdress is very > italian rennaissance fantasy to me............. > http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 08:32:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68CW9NB002384 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:32:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68CW7eQ022316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:32:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68CVVin007175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68CVSva007423; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68CVPXF007348 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200707081231.l68CVPXF007348@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070708123120m1400nfe62e>; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:31:20 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:30:56 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix In-Reply-To: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> References: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 428906be-653f-470e-88ec-0893c8773194 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4690D947.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 08:44:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68CioGf002894 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:44:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68Cimm6027848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:44:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68CiEkc011038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68CiDZc015812; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:44:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68Ci9AF015775 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sclark935@austin.rr.com) Received: from Main (cpe-72-179-47-112.austin.res.rr.com [72.179.47.112]) by ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l68Ci8vv013618 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 07:44:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005701c7c15d$ad9c7620$702fb348@Main> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> <200707081231.l68CVPXF007348@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 07:44:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c0fd737-1d9d-4f47-ac7c-2a1152271bc2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4690DC40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eww. > > Dianne > The models all looked drugged out, and what was with the weird hats stuck to the sides of their heads? Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 10:11:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68EBR2r006890 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:11:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68EBOJ3031814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:11:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68EAxwl024326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68EAtt1070275; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68EAqGB070210 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 114554910 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 07:10:46 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:30:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c7c16c$8611a300$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Thread-Index: AcfBQiXT7mWsQZvbTwCM8w1FVNj9IQAKjv5Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 6, First 17, in=27, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 696d6d80-4376-4aef-982e-a71c7226cf16 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4690F08D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quite a few of the dresses looked historically inspired, not to mention the Marie Antoinette hair. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 4:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Its sunday, and usually borring on h-costume so i thoaght it would be ok to send a clip of Christian Lacroix' new collection, to me it looks fabulous, with lots of gorgeous beadings. The weddingdress is very italian rennaissance fantasy to me............. http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 10:13:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68EDWj7007020 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:13:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68EDUHv008744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:13:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68EBlEa024489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68EBk43070903; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68EBgv3070749 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d24.1291438e (30737) for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:11:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a49a4fd-d956-48a1-b9ad-8581338d107e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4690F10A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/8/2007 8:44:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sclark935@austin.rr.com writes: The models all looked drugged out, ***************** Really. I thought Heroine Chic went out in the 90's. ************* and what was with the weird hats stuck to the sides of their heads? *************** Yeah... whassup with that? Just like with the Ascot hats. Some nice things. Some stupid things. Influences from all over the place. Not much of a "style"...except the crazy wigs and makeup. Those two things [done by a stylists, not the designer] were the only things that "held it together". But not much of a cohesion to the clothes. The "Wedding Dress" was fun but looked like the Virgin Mary wearing the crown of heaven. Might be OK for a Catholic wedding.... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 11:18:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68FI8de010404 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:18:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68FI6ei022495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:18:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68FHcXm034688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68FHYoL015210; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68FHVTv015121 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [10.40.36.10] (70-89-163-85-snowmass-club-co.hfc.comcastbusiness.net?[70.89.163.85]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070708151725011001jgr5e>; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:17:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> References: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <48261843ff09bccf8421f52062d93a4b@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:17:24 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a27bffa-b74b-426e-82a0-ae98eff561bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4691002E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The weddingdress is very > italian rennaissance fantasy to me............. > http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 13:06:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68H602M015858 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:06:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68H5wbc031833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:06:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68H5V9p052353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68H5Sac086800; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68H5P4N086723 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.24]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:05:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:05:19 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:05:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.133.199.144] X-Originating-Email: [praxis_729@hotmail.com] X-Sender: praxis_729@hotmail.com From: "Paula Praxis" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:05:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2007 17:05:19.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A100270:01C7C182] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55efedf2-d8fa-4968-97aa-d131cb76e964 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46911976.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Paula >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix >Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:14:49 +0200 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by >bay0-mc5-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 8 >Jul 2007 02:15:39 -0700 >Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by >www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id >l689FCUg069448(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 >verify=OK);Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:15:12 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from >h-costume-bounces@indra.com) >Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com >(8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l689EsVI096011;Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:15:06 -0600 >(MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) >Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198])by >net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l689EoC1095913for >; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:14:52 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from >drewscph@post12.tele.dk) >Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep34.mail.dk(InterMail >vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTPid ><20070708091442.ZFDF5841.fep34.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk>for >; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:14:42 +0200 >Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.106]) by fep47.mail.dk(InterMail >vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTPid ><20070708091442.VAM2795.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711>for >; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:14:42 +0200 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW41cvkiwFLWVxQqm9hdm22vqy1wJccmLjv7E+KCK0J8ISqDfisyllLA2 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 >X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk >from[80.63.231.106] at Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:14:35 +0200 >X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist >X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Historical Costume >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2007 09:15:39.0560 (UTC) >FILETIME=[8D462280:01C7C140] > >Its sunday, and usually borring on h-costume so i thoaght it would be ok to >send a clip of Christian Lacroix' new collection, to me it looks fabulous, >with lots of gorgeous beadings. The weddingdress is very italian >rennaissance fantasy to me............. >http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 13:11:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HB8kZ016206 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:11:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68HB6nj014337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:11:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68HAVba052895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HAU5T090266; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:10:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5.socket.net [216.106.26.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HARni090216 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 527BF3650E for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:10:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:10:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bbc86182-1741-460f-b538-72d46381a3f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46911AAA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Most of the fashions look like a exaggerated early 1900s. One or two from the 60s and one or two from the 1700s. Hairstyle can be 1700s but you find it could be compared to the late eighteen hundreds. The raccoon eyes are reminiscent of the 1930s silent movies which would meld with the outfits looking like the 1930 fashions were an influence. The shoes , if my memory services me right are a trademark style of LaCroix. The wedding dress, though looks influenced by "Italian" 1490s is better compared to late 1800s and early 1900s with artist's works, like Mucha and Morris De -----Original Message----- http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 13:35:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HZZtr017445 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:35:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68HZXYh009641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:35:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68HZ5w3056910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HZ3to007419; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:35:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HYxlQ007372 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F27B35E1C for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:34:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:35:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1919 corsets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4022c3c7-7015-4c28-9f80-3ccc727b6646 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46912065.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Was looking for a good example for the Lacroix comparison and came across this which I think someone was asking about. http://www.sensibility.com/vintageimages/1900s/images/corsets.jpg http://www.sensibility.com/vintageimages/1900s/images/1916corsets.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 13:35:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HZeQd017454 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:35:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68HZZNq029808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:35:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68HZ5JZ056911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HZ4df007434; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5c.socket.net [216.106.26.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68HZ0qW007375 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BCF2736349 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:34:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:35:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1bac297-eec7-4e57-8c26-c4c59efa0e03 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46912067.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Maybe the dark under the eyes is a French thing. http://www.fashionwindows.com/fashion_designers/christian_lacroix/2007f/clf0 721.asp or another trademark of Lacroix. Though for the HC spring line they do not appear to have them http://www.fashionwindows.com/fashion_designers/christian_lacroix/hcs071.asp What was shown by Bjarne is the haute couture line which is almost always extreme. Here is a sample of his ready wear, Fall2007 http://www.style.com/fashionshows/collections/F2007RTW/complete/thumb/CLACRO IX spring 2007 http://www.style.com/fashionshows/collections/S2007RTW/complete/thumb/CLACRO IX These are pictures of the fall Haute Couture line 2007. http://www.style.com/fashionshows/collections/F2007CTR/complete/thumb/CLACRO IX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 14:46:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68Ikx8K021111 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:46:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68IkvQR023578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:47:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68IkSFI066874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68IkMGa050863; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68IkJ8Y050760 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070708184611.LYME3791.fep33.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:46:11 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.45]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070708184611.BCCL3273.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:46:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c7c190$46f54900$2d14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> <48261843ff09bccf8421f52062d93a4b@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:46:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.45] at Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:46:06 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24437168-0ab1-4e0c-98dc-9300d8c56004 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46913121.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I dont know excactly when it was send, but it was shown on the danish television news, so it must have ben recent. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix > That's fun to watch. I wonder what will trickle down to become new trends > and clothes that we actually see in department stores. Do you know when > this collection was actually shown, Bjarne? I dont normally follow > fashion but in the fall I have to teach the costume and fashion class I > taught last fall for the first time so I guess it's time for me to start > paying attention again. > > Sylrog > > On Jul 8, 2007, at 3:14 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Its sunday, and usually borring on h-costume so i thoaght it would be ok >> to send a clip of Christian Lacroix' new collection, to me it looks >> fabulous, with lots of gorgeous beadings. The weddingdress is very >> italian rennaissance fantasy to me............. >> http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 19:00:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68N0QIh000336 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:00:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l68N0OP9000321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:00:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l68Mvdlx003790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68MvZ2u008194; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68MvV4W008116 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c61.1723aef2 (30737) for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:57:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:57:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5306d6e-18b7-4b5e-8c7e-c5855770ad86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46916C88.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/8/2007 1:35:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Here is a sample of his ready wear, Fall2007 http://www.style.com/fashionshows/collections/F2007RTW/complete/thumb/CLACRO IX Mmmmm..colorful! Not. But much more wearable. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 20:44:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l690i2t2004841 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:44:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l690i01Q030972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:44:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l690faXG017939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l690fWOI068849; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l690fSHO068804 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1383371827 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:41:23 -0500 Message-ID: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:41:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] riding breeches X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c916e4b3-a3b6-42ac-ac4b-038adee5cd74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469184D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I need to make a pair of these: http://www.suitability.com/item.cfm?catID=150&invID=739 http://tinyurl.com/ytd9sa If that doesn't get you there, it's the women's stretch breech pattern at suitability.com Finding fabric with enough stretch *and* some cotton content is a chore from local sources, but the bigger problem (no pun intended) is that I need to size it up. The pattern is basically two pieces, plus the waistband. The main pattern piece is shaped like a fat wishbone or Y. What is the best way to add some width to the pieces? The wearer will probably need additional room from calf to waist. Thanks! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 20:59:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l690xVBm005501 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:59:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l690xTNf013400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:59:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l690w0Ea020234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l690vxSA078771; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68Mwuab008834 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bed.13a85554 (30737) for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:58:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3e574b1-c0f4-4028-8fae-9931d9daf807 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46918871.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It was the fall Haute Couture line 2007.... no? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 20:59:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l690xYpm005504 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:59:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l690xWV6009763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l690uEbT019683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l690uCOS077197; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:56:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68EApcb070199 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070708141045.HUEN9463.fep30.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:10:45 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.106]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070708141045.ZFT1868.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:10:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c7c169$ce82bd70$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711><200707081231.l68CVPXF007348@net.indra.com> <005701c7c15d$ad9c7620$702fb348@Main> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:10:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.63.231.106] at Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:10:40 +0200 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 9d424e1f-49f9-499d-b146-0fae1f162008 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46918874.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ok ok ok, i surrender, but its just a show you know! I kind of like their outdone hair and huge hats, but they are not for walking in the wind, nor are the high heals very good for the feet, but i still think some of it is rather nice. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix > > >> At 05:14 AM 7/8/2007, you wrote: >>>Its sunday, and usually borring on h-costume so i thoaght it would be ok >>>to send a clip of Christian Lacroix' new collection, to me it looks >>>fabulous, with lots of gorgeous beadings. The weddingdress is very >>>italian rennaissance fantasy to me............. >>>http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm >> >> >> Thanks, that was fun! A few things that made me gasp at their beauty, a >> few that just made me gasp. (like the lime green bubble thing..) >> >> But what is the deal with all the models looking like the walking dead, >> or something out a Tim Burton movie? Eww. >> >> Dianne >> > The models all looked drugged out, and what was with the weird hats stuck > to the sides of their heads? > > Susan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 21:43:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l691hqbl007238 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:43:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l691ho16016170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:43:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l691fQxq024640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:41:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l691fODf002422; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l691fLpl002349 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c20.19224bbd (52373) for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-md17 (webmail-md17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.135]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v118.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM027-cc954691923979; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:41:13 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:41:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 28363 Received: from 66.177.236.38 by webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.135) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:41:13 -0400 Message-Id: <8C98FE15E1BFFAA-658-DD61@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.135 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d7cf664-ffa0-40dc-aac2-3c00ed4f5eb7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469192D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am not even going to pretend to know exactly how to dissect how haute couture works, but the stuff in this show will trickle down to ready to wear.? You will see elements of it featured in various lines in the malls and discount stores, such as the beading, hem lengths, sleeve treatments, necklines, shoulder widths, accessories, etc..? Are we going peasant this year or more urban?? Are the lines of the skirts going to be short and clean or more flowing with tiers, or some of both?? I love watching how it works. There was a scene in "The Devil Wears Prada" that sort of explained how the elements of haute couture worked their way into what average (real) women wear, and I thought that was very interesting.? Thanks for sharing this with us, Bjarne.? ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix In a message dated 7/8/2007 2:47:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Hi, I dont know excactly when it was send, but it was shown on the danish television news, so it must have ben recent. It was the fall Haute Couture line 2007.... no? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 22:05:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69259i4007916 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:05:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69257Uj021421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:05:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6924NMd027049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6924KDk014876; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6924GKe014807 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [10.40.36.10] (70-89-163-85-snowmass-club-co.hfc.comcastbusiness.net?[70.89.163.85]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070709020411013005nqr7e>; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:04:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8C98FE15E1BFFAA-658-DD61@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C98FE15E1BFFAA-658-DD61@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:04:10 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58601d91-f412-4bf0-9ec1-d1ae3ba46e5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469197D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO From the Lacroix collection, it's hard to fathom how it will actually trickle down. It's such a hodge podge of mostly unwearable garments. What common elements do you see, besides the outlandish hats? Sylrog On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:41 PM, chindora@aol.com wrote: > > I am not even going to pretend to know exactly how to dissect how > haute couture works, but the stuff in this show will trickle down to > ready to wear.? You will see elements of it featured in various lines > in the malls and discount stores, such as the beading, hem lengths, > sleeve treatments, necklines, shoulder widths, accessories, etc..? Are > we going peasant this year or more urban?? Are the lines of the skirts > going to be short and clean or more flowing with tiers, or some of > both?? > > > > I love watching how it works. > > > > There was a scene in "The Devil Wears Prada" that sort of explained > how the elements of haute couture worked their way into what average > (real) women wear, and I thought that was very interesting.? > > Thanks for sharing this with us, Bjarne.? > > ~Kimberley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 6:58 pm > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix > > > > > > In a message dated 7/8/2007 2:47:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > Hi, > I dont know excactly when it was send, but it was shown on the danish > television news, so it must have ben recent. > > > > It was the fall Haute Couture line 2007.... no? > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 22:12:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l692Ccd6008274 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:12:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l692CaLv014202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l692CAkF028061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l692C9ZN019026; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l692C6of018940 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [10.40.36.10] (70-89-163-85-snowmass-club-co.hfc.comcastbusiness.net?[70.89.163.85]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070709021200014004u733e>; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:12:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0b74126855a9b655826c28f0e09bc485@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:11:59 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11ac28ca-1ddc-41bc-914f-1fbf31730d85 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46919994.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Most of his ready to wear collection is pretty ugly, IMHO. Looks like all we'll see in the stores this fall is are black and gray miniskirts. Sylrog On Jul 8, 2007, at 4:57 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/8/2007 1:35:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > Here is a sample of his ready wear, Fall2007 > http://www.style.com/fashionshows/collections/F2007RTW/complete/thumb/ > CLACRO > IX > > > > Mmmmm..colorful! > > Not. > > But much more wearable. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 8 22:24:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l692ONNc008976 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:24:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l692OLCj027480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:24:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l692M0k2029196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l692LxRm025475; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l692Lsf8025383 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:21:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.14.16] Received: from [75.46.14.16] (adsl-75-46-14-16.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.14.16]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l692Lln4026374 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:21:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db> References: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B9875F7-FD94-4245-9241-D9AEA010863E@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] riding breeches Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:21:42 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bd35038-6020-4951-bcd5-feb67efde6ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46919C55.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For something like this where there's not one good place to slice it vertically, like you could do with a regular pair of pants, trace the pattern onto another piece of paper and draw several vertical lines (parallel with the grainline) at intervals across it. Perhaps every 3 or 4 inches. Then slice the paper on these lines and spread the pieces apart on a larger piece of paper. Usually you would be careful to keep them parallel, but if you need more room at the top than the bottom, you may wish to angle them evenly so that they're spread apart at the top but all touch at the bottom. Make sure that the spaces between the pattern slices are all even at the top. Trace out the new shape. Slash and spread the other pattern pieces to the same degree (unless the waistband is a rectangle, in which case you can just lengthen it). Make sure you transfer the grainline to the new pattern pieces. Let me know if you have any questions. Melanie Schuessler On Jul 8, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Land of Oz wrote: > I need to make a pair of these: > > http://www.suitability.com/item.cfm?catID=150&invID=739 > > http://tinyurl.com/ytd9sa > > If that doesn't get you there, it's the women's stretch breech > pattern at suitability.com > > Finding fabric with enough stretch *and* some cotton content is a > chore from local sources, but the bigger problem (no pun intended) > is that I need to size it up. The pattern is basically two pieces, > plus the waistband. The main pattern piece is shaped like a fat > wishbone or Y. > > What is the best way to add some width to the pieces? The wearer > will probably need additional room from calf to waist. > > Thanks! > Denise B > Iowa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 04:54:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l698sjk6026251 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:54:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l698shWt000552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:54:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l698rv9i075690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:53:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l698rp7N032077; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l698rmuZ032052 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A78892F046E; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:53:28 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:53:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7c206$a46dcc80$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfBQIBsJ1oqRl8jTlWiJPcoNTcJ/gAxd+Qw In-Reply-To: <002201c7c140$7104dbc0$6ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5683fac5-3999-4ff4-8625-94e4926e8f93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4691F7D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I like the thing with the purple fur on the shoulders, but I didn't like the fur part of it. And I agree with others, the bride looked dead. On the other models, the makeup reminded me of 1920's silent movie actresses. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Christian Lacroix Its sunday, and usually borring on h-costume so i thoaght it would be ok to send a clip of Christian Lacroix' new collection, to me it looks fabulous, with lots of gorgeous beadings. The weddingdress is very italian rennaissance fantasy to me............. http://www.dr.dk/NETTV/Update/2007/07/04/20070704110115.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 05:03:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6993daM027483 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:03:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6993b28003246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:03:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6993Ek9077253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6993D2w037030; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6993AjU037004 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9B9EAB0528; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:02:49 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Subject: RE: [h-cost] riding breeches Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:02:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c7c207$f2dfeeb0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfBwfSbQYk4m+SAQsWFgdXyuGPSQgARbtDA In-Reply-To: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3906d3c9-abf1-4d21-8325-8629782325a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4691F9E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Try cutting it on the bias for some stretch. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:42 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] riding breeches I need to make a pair of these: http://www.suitability.com/item.cfm?catID=150&invID=739 http://tinyurl.com/ytd9sa If that doesn't get you there, it's the women's stretch breech pattern at suitability.com Finding fabric with enough stretch *and* some cotton content is a chore from local sources, but the bigger problem (no pun intended) is that I need to size it up. The pattern is basically two pieces, plus the waistband. The main pattern piece is shaped like a fat wishbone or Y. What is the best way to add some width to the pieces? The wearer will probably need additional room from calf to waist. Thanks! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 06:28:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69AS1Yo009809 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:28:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69ARxxD025265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:28:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69ARVm7086957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69ARSHc077088; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69ARPSK077060 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1383625760 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:27:20 -0500 Message-ID: <007801c7c213$bb4a89e0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <000101c7c207$f2dfeeb0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: Re: [h-cost] riding breeches Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:27:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55285cdd-2f96-4e21-8b85-82be3c2452ae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46920DAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 06:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > For something like this where there's not one good place to slice it vertically, like you could do with a regular pair of pants, trace the pattern onto another piece of paper and draw several vertical lines > Thanks, I'll try that! -0------------------ > Try cutting it on the bias for some stretch. > The fabric recommended is for 30% stretch in both directions. Would you cut on the bias in addition? I'm having trouble finding local fabric that stretches enough in both directions. The "muslin" copy can be anything, but the final product needs to be from fabric with as much cotton as possible. 100% synthetic won't do. The polyester knits have enough stretch, but making the "muslin" copy won't do much good if the final fabric doesn't stretch as much. Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 09:31:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69DVP8l001503 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:31:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69DVKbm020084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69DPHIn011652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69DPApX082342; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69DP4X9082283 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l69DP3j15209 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:25:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] riding breeches Message-ID: <1183987503.4692372fdbda9@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:25:03 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <000101c7c207$f2dfeeb0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <007801c7c213$bb4a89e0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <007801c7c213$bb4a89e0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ab446bd-4723-459a-965a-46f3e1cb3d1f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469238A9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > The fabric recommended is for 30% stretch in both directions. Would you > cut > on the bias in addition? I don't know that I'd reccommend cutting a knit on the bias, unless the pattern directions indicate. > I'm having trouble finding local fabric that stretches enough in both > directions. The "muslin" copy can be anything, but the final product needs > to be from fabric with as much cotton as possible. 100% synthetic won't do. > The polyester knits have enough stretch, but making the "muslin" copy won't > do much good if the final fabric doesn't stretch as much. Do you care what the final fabric looks like? I've got some (I believe) high cotton content super stretchy fabric--in crazy huge black and white stripes. Does it *need* to be a local fabric source? Are you willing to buy online? > Denise Emma http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 09:59:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69DxHV8003074 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:59:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69DxFMv011295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:59:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69Dwpbq016232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69DwnA0006875; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.109]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69DwjMi006759 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:58:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.27]) by bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:58:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:58:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.211.172.129] X-Originating-Email: [morvren@hotmail.com] X-Sender: morvren@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1183987503.4692372fdbda9@webmail02.unl.edu> From: "Maureen Conklin" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:58:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 13:58:40.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[40F2F9C0:01C7C231] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] leine question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 460f7462-6d0c-4a0c-b944-c2fcc3f23c62 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46923F33.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm making my first attempt at 16th century Irish dress. Can anyone tell me how big the wrist openings on a leine are supposed to be? I don't want to do the phony drawstring-on-top sleeves, but I'd like to be able to roll them up if I need to (it's a hot-weather event). Is a drawstring at the wrist opening acceptable? Thanks. ~ M. ================== ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 11:23:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FNRqi007364 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:23:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69FNPHP014997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:23:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69FMrTd031538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FMnFh084597; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FMjKs084436 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.25]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:22:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:22:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:22:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] leine question Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:20:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:20:00 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 15:22:40.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD26E740:01C7C23C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6791bd90-a857-48a7-bd79-a38486665aaa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469252ED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Kind of depends on what you are doing this for. Scottish, Irish? How = accurate are you trying to be? Also, there is no absolute evidence for = how they were made.... There are several decent starting summaries online, but depending on = what you are doing this for, you may want to do your own research. Here are a few. =20 http://www.kelthaven.org/leine/ http://www.albanach.org/leine.html Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Maureen Conklin=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:58 AM Subject: [h-cost] leine question Hi everyone, I'm making my first attempt at 16th century Irish dress. Can anyone tell me how big the wrist openings on a leine are supposed to be? I don't want to do the phony drawstring-on-top sleeves, but I'd like to be able to roll them up if I need to (it's a hot-weather event). Is a drawstring at the wrist opening acceptable? Thanks. ~ M. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 11:29:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FTPL5007555 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:29:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69FTNRt020330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:29:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69FSuVh032780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FStC5090678; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FSoKU090507 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:28:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:28:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:28:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] riding breeches Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:26:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:26:06 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 15:28:45.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6C0ED70:01C7C23D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 696c67b7-b678-4ff0-b04b-39037d90ebcf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46925453.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.taunton.com/store/pages/th_toc_109.asp Threads magazine has had a number of articles on making stretch active = wear pants. If I remember correctly, this one actually shows you how to = make your own pattern sloper. You can get a copy of the articles via = interlibrary loan if your own local library doesn't have the magazine... The articles usually have fabric source information as well. I know you = can buy this stuff online. Saragrace=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Land of Oz=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] riding breeches I need to make a pair of these: = http://www.suitability.com/item.cfm?catID=3D150&invID=3D739 http://tinyurl.com/ytd9sa If that doesn't get you there, it's the women's stretch breech pattern = at=20 suitability.com Finding fabric with enough stretch *and* some cotton content is a = chore from=20 local sources, but the bigger problem (no pun intended) is that I need = to=20 size it up. The pattern is basically two pieces, plus the waistband. = The=20 main pattern piece is shaped like a fat wishbone or Y. What is the best way to add some width to the pieces? The wearer will=20 probably need additional room from calf to waist. Thanks! Denise B Iowa=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 11:32:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FWhWT007671 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:32:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69FWfXG004801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:32:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69FWDO9033459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FWBBQ094099; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:32:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FW94W093949 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.28]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:32:04 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:32:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:32:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.214.17.5] X-Originating-Email: [morvren@hotmail.com] X-Sender: morvren@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Maureen Conklin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] leine question Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:32:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 15:32:03.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D0CE4C0:01C7C23E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e12e9ad6-10fd-4d0d-937d-0392f3a9fc8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46925519.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My persona is Irish. I'll be doing body puppeteering at a Renaissance faire, so I don't think any patrons (except SCA folks) are going to notice or care if I have drawstrings at my wrists. Honestly, I just don't want to shell out for a pattern on top of the material I've already bought; I'm not just making this costume, but I'm also working on my wedding gown. I've made several shifts/chemises over the years, but never one like this. Thanks for the links; I've scoured them pretty thoroughly and haven't found anything about how the leine closed at the wrist. Maybe I'll just say the heck with it and put in drawstrings. Like I said, I don't know if anyone will notice. :) Thanks again. ~ M. ================== ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Saragrace Knauf" Reply-To: Historical Costume To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] leine question Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:20:00 -0700 Kind of depends on what you are doing this for. Scottish, Irish? How accurate are you trying to be? Also, there is no absolute evidence for how they were made.... There are several decent starting summaries online, but depending on what you are doing this for, you may want to do your own research. Here are a few. http://www.kelthaven.org/leine/ http://www.albanach.org/leine.html Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 11:35:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FZN8t007781 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:35:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69FZLYl026246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:35:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69FYrFO033876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FYpkp096763; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69FYlrC096593 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c6b.131452a7 (48576) for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:34:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:34:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] leine question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb48d514-f327-4962-8013-0e6b4d415347 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469255B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks so much. :) ~ M. ================== ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 12:35:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69GZ8fM009911 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:35:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69GZ6Gx020540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:35:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69GXtLw045063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69GXn78058763; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l69GXj0O058541 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDKE23XAVNR3Z2 for (sender ); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgmFzSHcpcUTTuS4feQcRh1o= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MR8K8XXJ; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:32:04 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20070709.093144.3416.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-8,10-14,16-17,20-21,23-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:2849747922 X-MAIL-INFO: 091313779fbebe9f97da2aaaaa1afeba839b1afbcf033bef8f9b5aba338aa7ef37 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: dm_list@shadowgard.com, kat@redtrollforge.com Subject: [h-cost] David Brown Book Company Fall releases X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d566a3a2-80dc-427e-969f-6141c0e44ebc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469263BA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Hb $297.00. a very non-apologetic Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 12:42:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69GgdKT010161 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:42:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69GgbgX029301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:42:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69Gg7Yw046768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69Gg5Oj067821; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69Gg11x067654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I7wJ7-0004Oh-Ba; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:41:53 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:41:53 -0400 Message-ID: <20070709124153.gthdn2yyu1fkwo4o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:41:53 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] David Brown Book Company Fall releases References: <20070709.093144.3416.0.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20070709.093144.3416.0.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb127c0a-4a7b-401c-8e24-e912232718df X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4692657D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It's a pile fabric -- like Velvet. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 12:59:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69GxMfc010846 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:59:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69GxK6s032732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:59:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69GwruC051076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:58:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69Gwql1086117; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:58:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69Gwnpv086058 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:58:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1305891ugc for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:58:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VDDzT+s036YInJQ6oveQ266pvlQ1KaVTV0EpDb2esm4N9c0TQe+rrI6seVg46iJd8c43WYvWHBO82pI4mfMpbS49xsi7YfL88IQlyzIoF3t+jS4CAhjsDmscE2R0jw1f5uT/CnfEphv48QnBNqNnROjwSWIIk7WmwbBEsMXnYYE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=owMj13qpBU3l8M0VNPyXds8eUqQ6j1rYZUd3ioQP5HDtkJP1jcmVhh+V1jMIcF2nTEucSW5kvnEbm7lpVNR3SOTfWILjMv3nY1iHbWuJ/ztWDvBBgrFK1TjIXE4TPdGrd3Wig8PJoxajMUUy+05hrseHNCS5XgBsM6ow3BcqUT4= Received: by 10.82.158.12 with SMTP id g12mr8585901bue.1184000327911; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.191.20 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:58:47 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another leine question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a92701e9-7b9d-4436-bc5e-52a3e1f1f7db X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46926968.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have an additional Leine question: on some of these sites, the sleeves are pleated all the way up the arm--sometimes covered with trim. I've also seen them with drawstrings alone in the same area--both make a very pretty presentation, but I'm wondering if they are documentable in period? I have some gorgeous saffron linen here that I really want to make into a leine, but I'd like it to be as correct as possible. Cheers, Meli On 7/9/07, Maureen and Saragrace commented: > > Kind of depends on what you are doing this for. Scottish, Irish? How > accurate are you trying to be? Also, there is no absolute evidence for how > they were made.... > > There are several decent starting summaries online, but depending on what > you are doing this for, you may want to do your own research. > > Here are a few. > > http://www.kelthaven.org/leine/ > http://www.albanach.org/leine.html< http://www.albanach.org/leine.html> > > Sg > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Hi everyone, > > I'm making my first attempt at 16th century Irish dress. Can anyone tell > me > how big the wrist openings on a leine are supposed to be? I don't want > to do > the phony drawstring-on-top sleeves, but I'd like to be able to roll > them up if I > need to (it's a hot-weather event). Is a drawstring at the wrist opening > acceptable? > Thanks. > > ~ M. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 12:59:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69GxSF0010852 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:59:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69GxOu9022674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:59:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69GwrDp051079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:58:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69Gwpqv086098; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69Gwmae085979 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JKX00L198HR3EO0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:58:30 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] David Brown Book Company Fall releases In-reply-to: <20070709.093144.3416.0.Cley@juno.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad56c4fe-140a-4fae-bb74-493485b608e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4692696C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I THINK I read it was a multi level velvet with gold bouclet (sp) woven into it. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:32 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: dm_list@shadowgard.com; kat@redtrollforge.com Subject: [h-cost] David Brown Book Company Fall releases Yeah, ok--BAD ARLYS!!! BAD, BAD, BAD!!! Feel better now? Me either. ;) Had a question re: Eleanor of Toledo's gown--is her dress appliqued and embroidered, or....? Some books of interest. For full info, check out their website and/or request a catalog. www.oxbowbooks.com Moda a Firenze 1540-1580, reprinted 2007, 99.50. 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Hb $297.00. a very non-apologetic Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 13:41:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69Hf0hV012599 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:41:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69Heuit029519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69HdPnp059483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69HdKwh029773; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69HdGDG029612 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200707091739.l69HdGDG029612@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070709173910012003k662e>; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:39:10 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:38:55 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another leine question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78f414c3-9e80-4c7c-959b-83919e9e57f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46927329.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 14:51:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69IpXGO014748 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:51:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69IpV1A024553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69Ioitb074271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69IocA5005080; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:50:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.america.net (qsmtp1.america.net [69.60.160.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69IoX5q004979 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:50:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200707091850.l69IoX5q004979@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.239] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp1.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1I7yJc-0004xv-CM for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:50:32 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:50:29 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] leine question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39749d41-1d91-404f-bcdd-010752e1d5bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469283B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 15:03:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J39Vt015168 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:03:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69J35Ri029842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:03:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69J2Tt4076235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J2QZa016693; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J2OaX016645 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 938B23805A for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:02:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] leine question Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4b9c91cf-62f6-4107-bc9b-1b5f720168d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46928669.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In all the pictures I have seen the cuff of the leine was not gathered. I vaguely remember a few looked like the sleeve tapered to the wrist with an approx. width opening that a splayed out hand could get through it. A rough idea of one style of a leine http://tinyurl.com/2ph8lh It's been a long while since I have looked at the subject of the leine so there may have been found some new info somewhere. Side note, the neckline was not drawstringed. I would not rule out drawstring totally as there may have been a 1% chance of their existance. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 15:04:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J4hKp015196 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:04:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69J4cO4021184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69J40YY076478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J40Yv018248; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.109]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J3vMp018131 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.34]) by bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:03:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:03:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:03:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.211.172.126] X-Originating-Email: [morvren@hotmail.com] X-Sender: morvren@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Maureen Conklin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another leine question Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:03:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 19:03:52.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3C0E2F0:01C7C25B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d625af4-5c83-484c-85a9-eaf544efdacc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469286C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO According to Kass McGann at reconstructinghistory.com, there's no evidence that pleating on the léine included pleating on the top of the sleeve. The ones I've seen done that way are very pretty, though. It's hard to tell from the artwork, I guess, because the women are shown with some sort of oversleeve, either a regular wrist-length sleeve, or a "hanging sleeve" that's open at the bottom seam and fastened around the wrist; both kinds of sleeve hide the top of the léine's sleeves. So, this is part of the reason I'm stumped on the sleeves: the artwork just doesn't show enough of women's léinte for me to figure out how the heck the sleeves end at the wrist. The men's are easier because there are a few examples from period illustrations showing them from shoulder to wrist (or forearm, more precisely). The Irish living history forum has quite a bit of debate on men's léinte, but nothing on women's. I got a wonderful email off-list from one lady who says she left her sleeves full, with no gathering or cuff at the wrist. One poster on the Irish site put it perfectly: "I think the appropriate response to anything cocerning the leine is ARGH!" :) ~ M. >>"I have an additional Leine question: on some of these sites, the sleeves >>are pleated all the way up the arm--sometimes covered with trim. I've also seen them with drawstrings alone in the same area--both make a very pretty presentation, but I'm wondering if they are documentable in period? I have some gorgeous saffron linen here that I really want to make into a leine, but I'd like it to be as correct as possible." ================== ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 15:08:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J8t1n015325 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:08:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69J8rZ7030655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:08:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69J8IHO077325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J8GCK022847; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.113]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69J8DoS022682 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.20]) by bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:08:07 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:08:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:08:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.211.172.126] X-Originating-Email: [morvren@hotmail.com] X-Sender: morvren@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Maureen Conklin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] leine question Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:08:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 19:08:07.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C06AAE0:01C7C25C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 315d89aa-e867-47d5-afe4-fb3545b40648 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469287C5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks, De and Genie. ~ M. ================== ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "otsisto" Reply-To: Historical Costume To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] leine question Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:02:31 -0500 In all the pictures I have seen the cuff of the leine was not gathered. I vaguely remember a few looked like the sleeve tapered to the wrist with an approx. width opening that a splayed out hand could get through it. A rough idea of one style of a leine http://tinyurl.com/2ph8lh It's been a long while since I have looked at the subject of the leine so there may have been found some new info somewhere. Side note, the neckline was not drawstringed. I would not rule out drawstring totally as there may have been a 1% chance of their existance. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 15:15:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69JF8V3015506 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:15:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69JF6dH005902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69JEG5P078272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:14:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69JECHu028587; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69JE9dH028458 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml2@MedievalScotland.org) Received: from [68.164.90.97] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I7ygI-0008Vn-FX for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:13:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200707091739.l69HdGDG029612@net.indra.com> References: <200707091739.l69HdGDG029612@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:03:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another leine question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcc52e7c06e9954227a8f1c2e583c8a925350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.90.97 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 256981e5-718b-4286-be2c-eed7400f402f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4692893A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Help support! - http://MedievalScotland.org/patron/ The most complete index of reliable web articles about pre-1600 names: The Medieval Names Archive - http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 15:19:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69JJu4P015644 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:19:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l69JJtAF004868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:19:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l69JJO95079047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69JJJQ4033990; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69JJDAn033877 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 21FC5388F3 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:19:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another leine question Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c35b9c2d-daac-4d21-be2f-9f72e155651a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46928A5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO As some have already commented, there is very little info on what the Irish women wore (even far less on what the Scottish highland/island women wore). Kass' info is about the most well researched, and there are other sites out there with more info as well, along with a couple of books that pretty much hold the info that is known about Irish dress in the 16th century; Dress in Ireland, and one other whose long title escapes me right now (it is in the linked page given below). When you get into making Irish garb for this time frame, or earlier, it really is hit or miss, mostly miss, as there is so very little info to know for certain how accurate the garb will be. Even the woodcuts I based a male friend's bard outfit on can be documented, but those woodcuts are under suspicion as to how accurate they might be, since they look so very different than anyone else' images of the Irish (an issue Kass and I went round on some years ago on this list). If you are interested in an alternate style of Irish for men, here's my take on it. http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/irishbard/index.html Note that the shorter sleeves was a request from my friend, and definitely not documented. He later regretted the shorter sleeve. As to how accurate,... well only a time traveller or future evidence might show the truth. But it was a good exploration. Kimiko --- Sharon Henderson wrote: > some gorgeous saffron linen here that I really want > to make into a leine, > but I'd like it to be as correct as possible. > > Cheers, > Meli ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? 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Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 9 21:20:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6A1KWha029315 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:20:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6A1KUKe009336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:20:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6A1JfIq033067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6A1JYiF040634; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6A1JVUx040594 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE8614AA048C; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:19:02 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <027f01c7c1c1$f088bb10$52a73743@denise8541f2db><000101c7c207$f2dfeeb0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom><007801c7c213$bb4a89e0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <1183987503.4692372fdbda9@webmail02.unl.edu> Subject: RE: [h-cost] riding breeches Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: <00c601c7c290$555c4ce0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfCLL7fPXlBY6T7SbO27AXQV6r8/wAY3/vQ In-Reply-To: <1183987503.4692372fdbda9@webmail02.unl.edu> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was saying get cotton fabric, not knit, and try it on the bias. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of 00217146@bigred.unl.edu Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:25 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] riding breeches > The fabric recommended is for 30% stretch in both directions. Would > you cut on the bias in addition? I don't know that I'd reccommend cutting a knit on the bias, unless the pattern directions indicate. > I'm having trouble finding local fabric that stretches enough in both > directions. The "muslin" copy can be anything, but the final product > needs to be from fabric with as much cotton as possible. 100% synthetic won't do. > The polyester knits have enough stretch, but making the "muslin" copy > won't do much good if the final fabric doesn't stretch as much. Do you care what the final fabric looks like? I've got some (I believe) high cotton content super stretchy fabric--in crazy huge black and white stripes. Does it *need* to be a local fabric source? Are you willing to buy online? > Denise Emma http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 10 08:32:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ACWFct023348 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:32:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6ACWDvT020912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:32:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6ACVHHC017491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ACVAGc064967; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ACV6Ko064907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.126.139] ([132.198.126.139]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l6ACUxGA006174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:31:06 -0400 Message-ID: <46937C05.4050101@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:31:01 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 20th Cent. Paper Patterns Collection Online X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07b885ce-bb18-4c5a-9c2d-e1c7475d2661 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46937C4D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For 20th century enthusiasts, AHDS has published a collection home dressmaking patterns drawn from the collection at the london College of Fashion. (AHDS has other collections as well, including London CoF Woolmark Collection, Corwainer's Shoe Collection, etc.) The patter collection includes Vogue, Butterick, McCalls, and others with designers such as Laroche, Givenchy and Christian Dior. To read about the collection: http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/collections/LCFPP.html To search the collection, go to: http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/collections/LCFPP.html Click on the 'Deselect All' button, then check the box next to 'London College of Fashion: Paper Patterns' You can search by garment type, pattern maker or date. Unfortunately there is no browse. However, if you just type an asterisk (*) in the search box you will get all 620 patterns. And for those of us of a certain age, don't be surprised if you see a pattern there that you still may have in your attic! - Hope --------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, Academic Computing, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 10 10:45:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6AEjf2L029557 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:45:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6AEjdor011671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:45:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6AEisjp040769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:44:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6AEipLR078741; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:44:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6AEillL078665 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:44:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.14.16] Received: from [75.46.14.16] (adsl-75-46-14-16.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.14.16]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6AEihic030486 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:44:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46937C05.4050101@uvm.edu> References: <46937C05.4050101@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1404DF50-A34F-4271-BF7D-86970501BE90@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] 20th Cent. Paper Patterns Collection Online Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:44:38 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f1a1652-1b2a-40b7-9b66-c7ce810658a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46939B93.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is neat--thanks! For anyone interested in vintage patterns, you should also check out the Vintage Pattern Lending Library at http://www.vpll.org/ Melanie Schuessler On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:31 AM, Hope Greenberg wrote: > > For 20th century enthusiasts, AHDS has published a collection home > dressmaking patterns drawn from the collection at the london > College of Fashion. (AHDS has other collections as well, including > London CoF Woolmark Collection, Corwainer's Shoe Collection, etc.) > The patter collection includes Vogue, Butterick, McCalls, and > others with designers such as Laroche, Givenchy and Christian Dior. > > To read about the collection: http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/ > collections/LCFPP.html > > To search the collection, go to: > http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/collections/LCFPP.html > > Click on the 'Deselect All' button, then check the box next to > 'London College of Fashion: Paper Patterns' > You can search by garment type, pattern maker or date. > Unfortunately there is no browse. However, if you just type an > asterisk (*) in the search box you will get all 620 patterns. > > And for those of us of a certain age, don't be surprised if you see > a pattern there that you still may have in your attic! > > - Hope > > --------------- > hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, Academic Computing, U of Vermont > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 10 20:09:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B09MTM019901 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:09:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6B09Kwt013149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B08cZx074999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B08WMD082330; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B08Tat082208 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.25] (helo=mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I8PiA-0000mJ-Bv for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:05:42 -0400 Received: from 207.69.137.43 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:08:23 -0400 Message-ID: <14042129.1184112504086.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:08:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVC To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69a2c3c73a990a35edba5a638e6f35a2de3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Expedited passports (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3380d06-5446-4605-be34-250d4ed4c1ae X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46941FB1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is OT. Not long ago some had information about expedited passports, their costs and time to get one. Could you please send that info to me at: mimiathome@peoplepc.com I've been costuming for over thirty years and can't afford to 'hang up my scissors' or do anything else. But my youngest son, whose wife is a disabled vet, is about to lose their home. He needs to take a security position in the 'hot zone' after leaving the military last year. He served five assignments in that are and has had trouble finding employment that will keep his home together. They have two very young daughters 7 and 4. Sorry to beg but I want to help anyway I can. Sincerely, Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 10 21:26:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B1Qlrg022613 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:26:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6B1QjUN002065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B1QEKa084752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B1QBsE033638; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6AGeORH031077 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6651AB804F4; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:40:05 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <46937C05.4050101@uvm.edu> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 20th Cent. Paper Patterns Collection Online Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:40:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7c311$00b068d0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfC7kzPGbD13paRR3OBOMGwCDzEowAIpGVg In-Reply-To: <46937C05.4050101@uvm.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5fc5b385-cb79-40ff-939b-775b2dd50d0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469431D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I went to the second link, but could find no "Deselect all" button. Where is it? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hope Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 20th Cent. Paper Patterns Collection Online For 20th century enthusiasts, AHDS has published a collection home dressmaking patterns drawn from the collection at the london College of Fashion. (AHDS has other collections as well, including London CoF Woolmark Collection, Corwainer's Shoe Collection, etc.) The patter collection includes Vogue, Butterick, McCalls, and others with designers such as Laroche, Givenchy and Christian Dior. To read about the collection: http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/collections/LCFPP.html To search the collection, go to: http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/collections/LCFPP.html Click on the 'Deselect All' button, then check the box next to 'London College of Fashion: Paper Patterns' You can search by garment type, pattern maker or date. Unfortunately there is no browse. However, if you just type an asterisk (*) in the search box you will get all 620 patterns. And for those of us of a certain age, don't be surprised if you see a pattern there that you still may have in your attic! - Hope --------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, Academic Computing, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 10 22:16:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B2GJR6024416 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:16:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6B2GHaf031774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:16:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B2FuXT090860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B2Fsoo066238; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B2Fpfw066200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c-75-68-166-211.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.166.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l6B2FaLp002124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:15:50 -0400 Message-ID: <46943D3E.70705@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:15:26 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 20th Cent. Paper Patterns Collection Online References: <46937C05.4050101@uvm.edu> <000001c7c311$00b068d0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <000001c7c311$00b068d0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 672b49b1-87a0-4121-9ed7-ff4c3d4cb21f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46943D71.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here's the more direct link (you can also get here from the "Search Images" link on the description page previously mentioned). The list of all their collections and the Deselect All button is on this page. http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?_IXDB_=vads&search-form=search.html&submit-button=search - Hope Sharon Collier wrote: > I went to the second link, but could find no "Deselect all" button. Where is > it? > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 00:49:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B4n1va030219 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:49:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6B4n0Yo018639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:49:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B4mMrZ008018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:48:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B4mEoT057176; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B4m9nr057108 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1I8U7U1N5s-0002sL; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:48:09 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:47:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/qcC4mgpvFyQOG8n4HTTXgO62JHo2Qh+1GXDf 0mE7pa8ZzQQwXystgkzXyidm11aP3J27+/f2hfI8oaIo0j9ayP eHR3PNg5nT4PCqvApGOjA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Where Did That Come From? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df2e5f5b-71fc-4dfa-bbe3-a6efed6d0fe1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4694613C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Has anyone seen the show, "Where Did That Come From?" on the History = Channel International? I was watching the show tonight and the subject = was Ancient Rome: The Rise of Apartments. During this show, they showed = the process to clean wool clothing with urine. A professor showed the = show's host the entire process of cleaning. Pretty interesting! They = also covered the Roman baths at Bath England. I wish I would have = taped it.=20 The URL for the show is: http://www.historyinternational.com/global/listings/series_showcase.jsp?E= GrpType=3DSeries&Id=3D17762611&NetwCode=3DHCI=20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 01:07:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B57Koh031003 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6B57InF029485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:07:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B56sdY010636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:06:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B56qVF069217; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B56mVM069170 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-tst2 [10.24.12.17]) by ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6B56l66026447 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JL0001IH0V8LC@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.109] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:06:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:06:44 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where Did That Come From? In-reply-to: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0233eca-3b26-4dcd-b939-6e753ae36528 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46946586.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes! I recently discovered the series and love it. :-) This particular episode repeats on Saturday, July 14 at 7pm eastern time. It tickles me that the host sounds so much like John Stossel from 20/20. Speech pattern is pretty much the same and intonation is very similar as well. The shows are well done, informative, and actually seem to have been reasonably well researched. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Ladnier Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 0:50 am Subject: [h-cost] Where Did That Come From? To: h-costume > Has anyone seen the show, "Where Did That Come From?" on the > History Channel International? I was watching the show tonight and > the subject was Ancient Rome: The Rise of Apartments. During this > show, they showed the process to clean wool clothing with urine. A > professor showed the show's host the entire process of cleaning. > Pretty interesting! They also covered the Roman baths at Bath > England. I wish I would have taped it. > The URL for the show is: > http://www.historyinternational.com/global/listings/series_showcase.jsp?EGrpType=Series&Id=17762611&NetwCode=HCI > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 03:46:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B7k0iv032589 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:46:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6B7jxhu018032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:46:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B7jXAa029778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B7jU6u063483; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6B7jQu7063436 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1I8Wt23YVk-0001fL; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where Did That Come From? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:45:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX191vAwVZ6DJIjxRV3kNh7Q8TuGzwLzsiU4XiOu bj79Db9hCawizUmUN37bUslizin0StJ8NsisjAMiutU+4BrknO eEcjVCxVdJcrQsqeVdDHA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06a749d1-724f-401b-9632-68c9638ff556 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46948AB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Kate, I can't wait for the WDTCF on Egypt next week. I also enjoy the series, "How is that Made?" I tape the fashion industry related parts of the show for my class. Sometimes they provide a brief history and then the modern method of manufacture. Last week or so, they showed how either cotton or wool is manufactured into thread or yarn. I really enjoyed this section since I have been showing my students stereoviews of these types of factories from 1890-1910s. Sometimes on Saturdays, the HITM will run four episodes back-to-back. I think this series runs on Discovery Channel. I have also seen it in the upper channels of my digital cable... maybe the Science Channel. I wish I had a videotape of my students' facial expressions, when they look at the stereoviews the first time through the stereoscope. They are so amazed at the clarity and 3-D effect. I tell the students to focus on something in the stereoview's far background. I have one stereoview of sunbathers at Atlantic City Beach. This image the students could look at for an hour. There are a lot of people in the photos with parasols, men, women, and children' bathing suits in various styles. I hear from the students a lot of "OMG" from this image. The students will get into a sort of competition over who can see what in the image. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 13:49:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BHn8dF006183 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:49:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BHn6hh012015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:49:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BHmQGF032433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BHmM8Y041547; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:48:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BHmHhv041449 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:48:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 440AE2E8148 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:39:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id C72202E80F4 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:39:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16830 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:48:16 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:48:14 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The Golden Age(film) Thread-Index: AcfDj3rk35J026aWT6SQpHPgUXTN1AAUu46A References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop><9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 93cfa765-8357-4dbd-b264-4878b951336e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46951813.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I caught it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. Cindy Abel =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 14:00:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BI0NCR006711 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:00:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BI0Ms7020617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:00:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BHxUb2034488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BHxQpB052644; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:59:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BHxNch052458 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c94.15169fb4 (60435) for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-RD02 (webmail-rd02.webmail.aol.com [152.163.16.130]) by ciaaol-d01.mail.aol.com (v118.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD014-ec1346951a7265; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:59:14 -0400 References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop><9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:59:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 28518 Received: from 66.177.236.38 by WEBMAIL-RD02.sysops.aol.com (152.163.16.130) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:59:15 -0400 Message-Id: <8C991FC541B45B6-1318-846A@WEBMAIL-RD02.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.16.130 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33658693-e329-4761-9da0-331832dad8f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46951AB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yep, here is a little more info on it.? I got a peek at the trailer last week through a friend's livejournal and promptly posted it on my own livejournal and myspace pages.? I can't wait to see it myself.? I heard through someone that it had already shown, or part of it had, at a film festival in Italy and had received a standing ovation, but I have no idea as to the veracity of that as I have not read it in print myself. http://www.workingtitlefilms.com/film.php?filmID=102 ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Abel, Cynthia To: Historical Costume Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 1:48 pm Subject: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I caught it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 15:03:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJ3LH3009385 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:03:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BJ3JSs021042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:03:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BJ2EPp046848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJ2AsX016374; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJ26CW016199 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -3.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.105.107 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6Ds_O6bYbroDYUPoq3QA:9 a=Ps3UfhXa1g_2y-TrVe5j0hVS6nEA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,527,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="7041575" Received: from 80-44-105-107.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.105.107]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2007 19:52:45 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:01:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) In-Reply-To: References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71cb0c17-0cc8-481a-b5ff-9104e124eed5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46952977.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: > >The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and >Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I caught >it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris >Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) > >The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy >mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they >set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be >Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be able to >catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before >its debut. > >I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over >costume pics for this film, accurate or not. It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 15:09:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJ9li5009568 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BJ9jEY027901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:09:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BJ8a0L048684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJ8XJo022861; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJ8Oxk022649 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070711190816.SDNW5841.fep34.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:08:16 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.43]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070711190816.CXQI7584.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:08:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c7c3ee$d64000e0$2b43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop><9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <8C991FC541B45B6-1318-846A@WEBMAIL-RD02.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:08:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.67.43] at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:08:09 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c52f718-c277-4f7c-b0e7-b12b3e5290ec X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46952AF9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks Kimberley, i will surely look forwards to that two. My Elizabeth R video is torned up, i have to buy the DVD, i love it so much. Thats why i have worned out the tape........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) > > Yep, here is a little more info on it.? I got a peek at the trailer last > week through a friend's livejournal and promptly posted it on my own > livejournal and myspace pages.? I can't wait to see it myself.? I heard > through someone that it had already shown, or part of it had, at a film > festival in Italy and had received a standing ovation, but I have no idea > as to the veracity of that as I have not read it in print myself. > > > > http://www.workingtitlefilms.com/film.php?filmID=102 > > ~Kimberley > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Abel, Cynthia > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 1:48 pm > Subject: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) > > > > > The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and > Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I caught > it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris > Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) > > The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy > mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they > set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be > Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be able to > catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before > its debut. > > I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over > costume pics for this film, accurate or not. > > Cindy Abel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 15:35:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJZAm8010494 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:35:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BJZ42g013759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:35:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BJYRab056886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJYPqS049937; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6BJYLgD049749 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10863 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2007 19:34:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yQhjhjGFRMBnpRdn2OBRtj8dFIwFM+vK1bkvD1Gtl+QvqwTvvbgb96gTyfLjDqI72mukMqBs4y9wga4FyDuzMLU1Ly+BwraQuFnSGuuE6agv5ywA2y/fIMjsywP/GUxvviDMODw4fiO1pqnG0vc+JVMNh+C8NvWs0auFTK75xvo=; X-YMail-OSG: P8KdTToVM1lsiSaN_XVT2MKZAeqKP69tH04a7bEwuTNiB7YhW4NYFZaNbLpye74eEbR_LTfjGhah4NX3ayN7pJeGOILfQnv1iZE14C1zAoNF4Lp9a4U- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:34:14 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <369134.9623.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e565e62-b8ed-4100-a3f9-96093f3822fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469530E8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here's the official website with trailer http://www.elizabeththegoldenage.net/ I expect the history to be just as horrible as the last one, but hey, clive Owen as Walter Raleigh, how can I miss it. MaggiRos --- "Abel, Cynthia" wrote: > > The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring > Cate Blanchette and > Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its > first trailer. I caught > it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through > 45+ minutes of Paris > Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) > > The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but > historical accuracy > mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do > appreciate how they > set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is > is that it will be > Dec or later before most of us outside "major" > cities will be able to > catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week > or two later before > its debut. > > I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so > I can drool over > costume pics for this film, accurate or not. > > Cindy Abel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 15:47:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJlKPN010889 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:47:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BJlIeQ018073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:47:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BJjstm059870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJjn7V061180; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BJjjiP061038 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -3.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.105.107 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=tzkJWn7ZAAAA:8 a=-5KX-2AcXQanEciTyOUA:9 a=HnG1Kjp1tb0_2yWMTUwwd1nZD9UA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,527,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="7051039" Received: from 80-44-105-107.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.105.107]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2007 20:36:24 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711204239.0595d710@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:45:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) In-Reply-To: <369134.9623.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <369134.9623.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 168036c9-7087-449c-8958-0bda978d51b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469533C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 20:34 11/07/2007, you wrote: >Here's the official website with trailer >http://www.elizabeththegoldenage.net/ > >I expect the history to be just as horrible as the >last one, but hey, clive Owen as Walter Raleigh, how >can I miss it. > >MaggiRos Oh, dear, an Ascot hat, an Edwardian collar, and see through shoulders. Not my kind of historical movie. Give me Pirates of the Caribbean any time - at least it didn't pretend to be historical! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 16:07:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BK7OnO011535 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:07:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BK7MWc013476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:07:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BK6U9o063939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BK6Pc0081150; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BK6MpI080990 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c58.166062b6 (48552) for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:06:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:06:11 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a9dd8e8-3209-4a18-9f33-18eb8842fa52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4695387B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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[Some of my favorite movies have that!] At the end she'll run off with Sir Walter to the Lost Colony... oh wait...didn't Joan Collins already do that? :-P ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 16:59:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BKxZsq013422 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:59:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BKxXMK017805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:59:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BKwhCP073254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BKwer5034420; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BKwagi034245 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:58:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JL1003QS8XA2QK0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:58:10 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711204239.0595d710@suziclarke.co.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6975d54b-03f8-4789-aa7c-b7355148c581 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469544B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At least it looks less painful than the original. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) At 20:34 11/07/2007, you wrote: >Here's the official website with trailer >http://www.elizabeththegoldenage.net/ > >I expect the history to be just as horrible as the >last one, but hey, clive Owen as Walter Raleigh, how >can I miss it. > >MaggiRos Oh, dear, an Ascot hat, an Edwardian collar, and see through shoulders. Not my kind of historical movie. Give me Pirates of the Caribbean any time - at least it didn't pretend to be historical! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 17:31:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BLVp1p014635 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:31:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BLVnW9013785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:31:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BLVKJH078286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BLVGOb065484; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6BLVCoN065356 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail12.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABDKLVA2AYNBEYS for (sender ); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:31:04 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7xWcEXAePB7kzitPAbY965cC8sUttlHiqA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MSD95BZ4; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:30:46 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:29:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:29:54 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070711.143046.10878.211575@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:341570009 X-MAIL-INFO: 275175f9c9b124c92d94b1652465bd10e49120b484e1e0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|webmail12.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seeking H-Costume Member X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: beed2719-15bb-4c93-bda4-c0145daac656 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46954C46.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 17:37:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BLbSFh014886 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:37:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BLbRQl020070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6BLb8tt079241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BLb4ku071061; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6BLaRAx070483 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 84A5B2E83F6 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:27:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 110962E8351 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:27:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09962 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:36:25 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:36:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Thread-Index: AcfD7gTv0j/ICSIgQR+/XkR6tAp0BgAFDTHA References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop><9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com><003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bcfb64c-c39a-41c8-9e42-18fed93348b3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46954D97.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, the real Elizabeth I was about 54 during the time this film was set, and whether Cate Blanchette wanted to or not, I bet the studio big wigs nixed the idea to make her look that age. "Just make her look like she's had bad plastic surgery and think "Bram Stoker's Dracula" when designing the costumes and wigs, okay, cause that was just the coolest movie when I was twelve" I can imagine studio exec in charge of marketing saying. Like I said, I can appreciate what the studio was driving at. But the real Elizabeth didn't show up at Tilbury in white and silver and long hair flowing. Neat visual, though, for this film. Want reasonably historical costumes and history--see Elizabeth R with Glenda Jackson. Cindy Abel =20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: > >The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and=20 >Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I=20 >caught it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes=20 >of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) > >The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy=20 >mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how=20 >they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will >be Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be able=20 >to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later=20 >before its debut. > >I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over=20 >costume pics for this film, accurate or not. It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 20:14:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C0EARR022254 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:14:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6C0E8D5027028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:14:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6C0DFn6001644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C0DAfm004494; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C0D7tj004401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:13:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070712001302.VYVP17891.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:13:02 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.112]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id NQD11X00M2SCRpw0000000; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:13:01 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop><9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com><003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01c7c419$66f4e360$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcfD7lBJesgWK6DsQzCxMtKEuBR9xgAKm8+A X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 571d2de8-774c-4574-a038-36423c1813e7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46957250.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 11 20:46:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C0kHGO023698 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:46:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6C0kFr4030174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:46:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6C0jj6Z005840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C0ji2A027549; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C0je6j027511 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:45:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.131] (sjs-130-65-37-131.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.131]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6C0jdEE014273 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <009c01c7c419$66f4e360$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop><9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com><003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> <009c01c7c419$66f4e360$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <750AE67A-C998-4F94-90CD-8D722000397D@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:45:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b79af21-0934-47f5-a0c2-23c975803b76 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469579D7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: >> It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the >> pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) > >> Suzi > > > I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! > I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the > costume > designer is on this movie? the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 03:25:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C7PgYt004946 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:25:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6C7PexL000930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:25:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6C7NAg6055625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C7N6tO096399; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6C7N2AU096305 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -3.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.105.107 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=-_YjQ7Ewv6_suw_Yn9sA:9 a=-cRzhQ4LZkf2ufvM1rShupTvan0A:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,530,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="7202005" Received: from 80-44-105-107.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.105.107]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2007 08:31:23 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070712082211.05afbc70@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:22:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula In-Reply-To: <750AE67A-C998-4F94-90CD-8D722000397D@bovil.com> References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> <009c01c7c419$66f4e360$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> <750AE67A-C998-4F94-90CD-8D722000397D@bovil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21ceb15d-0e8e-4b57-a4e7-50a060b696f5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4695D774.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 01:45 12/07/2007, you wrote: >On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: >>>It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the >>>pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) >> >>>Suzi >> >> >>I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! >>I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the >>costume >>designer is on this movie? > >the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one >of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... Really? What period? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 14:14:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CIEvZ9013209 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:14:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6CIEtsx002628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:14:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6CICpP7070948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CICnbj041867; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CIChMV041763 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 101482E829E for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:04:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 833CF2E82B6 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:03:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08029 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:12:42 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Thread-Index: AcfErZjeZICa4IbWT2GG+C28udQ5hQAANuFw References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop><9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com><003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop><7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a24ed785-8c2e-4502-a1c9-46f2f0b5a8ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46966F9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think that historical accuracy is becoming less important in films, because a lot of minds in the film industry think accuracy has to go out the window in terms of the current aesthetic, budget, and the stars have to look good. It has always been so, but accurate as possible seems to equate with dull, academic, and very PBS. Compare the costumes in Elizabeth R with any Tudor-set film before or since. Not totally accurate, but reasonably close. Even Bette Davis when she played the aging QE1 in a film horrified the studio boses by shaving her head and insisting on being made-up to reflect E's age circa 1600. And sometimes the stars want to look good--you want more authentic--check out the extras in the background. Even in a "Man for All Seasons" has a 60's vibe--costumes seen in dull earth colors-(because it was generally thought back then only the very wealthy had bright rich colors and the somber mood of the film with the Mores as mostly noble and honest persons equalled "honest" earth colors) and everyone has that "healthy tan" makeup of the 60's for the natural look! Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jean Waddie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Suzi Clarke wrote >At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: >> >>The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and=20 >>Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I=20 >>caught it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes >>of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) >> >>The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy=20 >>mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how=20 >>they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it=20 >>will be Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be=20 >>able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two=20 >>later before its debut. >> >>I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over=20 >>costume pics for this film, accurate or not. > > >It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the=20 >pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) > >Suzi > It's certainly an interesting mis-interpretation of that 15th century style of headdress. The doily in the middle makes her look like a butterfly cake! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 14:36:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CIaxMD014297 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:36:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6CIavsb000900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:37:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6CIZXbU076317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CIZTSI067651; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CIZO0x067473 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20070712183518012003ors8e>; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:35:19 +0000 Message-ID: <4696745E.6030101@bovil.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:35:10 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> <009c01c7c419$66f4e360$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> <750AE67A-C998-4F94-90CD-8D722000397D@bovil.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070712082211.05afbc70@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070712082211.05afbc70@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 128da38b-8734-4ea7-b702-c4cf471a5564 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469674C9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 01:45 12/07/2007, you wrote: >> On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: >>>> It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the >>>> pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) >>> >>>> Suzi >>> >>> >>> I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! >>> I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the >>> costume >>> designer is on this movie? >> >> the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one >> of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... > > Really? What period? I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair (yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 14:59:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CIxCam015497 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:59:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6CIxA0a011213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:59:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6CHrMOe065126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CHrHKx018424; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:53:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CHrCEx018311 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:53:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1I92ql-0003aB-Bi for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:53:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:52:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U () X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9803937-257e-4d83-ab15-70a45a622f95 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469679FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote >At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: >> >>The sequel to the 1998 film "Elizabeth", starring Cate Blanchette and >>Geoffrey Rush, "The Golden Age" has released its first trailer. I caught >>it on "E" channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris >>Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) >> >>The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy >>mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they >>set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be >>Dec or later before most of us outside "major" cities will be able to >>catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before >>its debut. >> >>I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over >>costume pics for this film, accurate or not. > > >It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in "Dracula" in one of the >pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) > >Suzi > It's certainly an interesting mis-interpretation of that 15th century style of headdress. The doily in the middle makes her look like a butterfly cake! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 16:37:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CKbeND020771 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:37:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6CKbcaE003733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:37:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6CKa1rJ099332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CKZvvL098170; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:35:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CKZqV0097989 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1184272546-0b8a00090000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1184272546 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 548A81D44CB for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8000119A2 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:55:20 +0200 Message-ID: <012b01c7c4be$ae69ad20$9c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:56:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96f7e676-b5d5-4f20-aa62-11e1def66243 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46969113.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ALUMINUM SWAN GARB COMPETITION Sometimes you feel like an authenticity nut, and well, sometimes you = don't.=20 In recognition of those times when you don't, the Pre-Raphaelite Garb = Yahoo=20 list is instituting the Aluminum Swan Award, to honor the best = NON-authentic=20 garb. Taking our inspiration from the romanticized Victorian Pre-Raphaelite=20 depictions of medieval clothing--and from Victorian costume books in=20 general--the Pre-Raph list relishes the clothing that you thought was=20 historical, before you knew better. The Aluminum Swan Award will be won = by=20 the person who does the best job of depicting those youthful medieval=20 fantasies. If you were costuming the Lord of the Rings movies, what would you make? = If=20 you were the Princess Bride, what would you wear to the wedding? When = you=20 picture a damsel in distress, what does her gown look like? Are = Rapunzel's=20 dresses as long as her tresses? What does a knight in shining armor = wear=20 when he's lounging around the castle? Guidelines: -- The clothing should look as though it's from the medieval or = renaissance=20 period to the uneducated eye. -- You may use any fabric you wish, including rayon, polyester, stretch=20 crushed velvet, gold lame, and the like. -- You may use any modern construction techniques you want, including=20 machine sewing, serging, iron-on interfacing, and so on. -- You may purchase parts or props for your outfit, but the majority = must be=20 made by you. -- You may use elements from pre-existing garments or outfits, but may = not=20 re-use a pre-existing outfit without significantly updating it = specifically=20 for this contest. -- Several people may collaborate to submit a group entry. Entries will be judged by myself, taking into account both popular = acclaim=20 and the following criteria: -- How medieval(oid) is the overall effect? -- Would you fit in well at a Victorian fancy dress party? -- Have you taken recognizeable elements from real medieval or = renaissance=20 clothing and rearranged them to suit your own taste and/or the tastes of = modern (or Victorian) fashion? -- How complex is the outfit? -- How creative is the concept? Extra credit will be awarded to anyone who can prove they've worn their=20 entry in public, especially at a medieval or renaissance-themed event. All participants will receive an origami swan made of aluminum foil, and = the=20 winner will receive an award token as well as their choice of = Pre-Raphaelite=20 poster from http://www.allposters.com/-st/The-Pre-Raphaelite-Brotherhood-Posters_c211= 2_.htm up to $35 including S&H (or a $35 gift certificate towards the purchase = of a=20 more expensive poster). If a group wins, each member will receive an = award=20 token, but only one gift certificate will be awarded. To enter, please send: -- pictures of your outfit -- a short write-up -- your contact info including your address -- written permission to display your images on the Pre-Raphaelite Garb = list=20 for judging as well as on a website displaying the contest participant = and=20 winner To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PreRaphaeliteGarb/ or directly to me, at formfunc (at) formfunction.org. Entries must be submitted by Oct 1, 2007. Winner will be announced Oct = 15,=20 2007, or at my convenience. -E House, List Owner, Pre-Raphaelite Garb=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 17:12:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CLC3Dn022800 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:12:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6CLC1Ju001399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:12:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6CL9kLo008335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CL9gvM035468; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from lsh114.siteprotect.com (lsh114.siteprotect.com [66.113.130.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CL9cLr035391 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from candace (c-71-230-52-64.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.230.52.64]) by lsh114.siteprotect.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id l6CL9cM31171 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:09:38 -0500 From: "Candace Perry" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 18th century German "hosen" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e27d474-ecf3-4ea4-b74a-3d189750ed7e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46969921.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings: I'm new to the list and really seeking resources on quite specific time periods and people. I am hoping somewhere out there someone will have some answers, as I haven't stumbled across anything in my travels. What I am looking for today is information on what the average rural German (and to be more specific, we can say Saxon or Silesian) may have worn in the 17th through approximately mid 18th century in terms of pants/trousers/breeches/hosen. We've been having a discussion here at my place of employ, which interprets a specific Pennsylvania German group, about trousers during this period, as at least initially the trousers were most likely the same for the immigrants in PA as they were for their kinsman in the homeland. My colleague seems to think they could not have worn breeches, as their English counterparts might have here in the colonies. To him it seems far too formal for a farmer to be wearing breeches, but frankly I don't know otherwise. We have no artifact record to turn to, unfortunately, except for that of a more formal nature. It has been long accepted that the costume of the local rural German speaking man in the late 18th century would have included breeches, but my colleague questions this, and I can see his point. Was there some sort of loose fitting pants with pockets the average working German Joe would have worn? We're not talking "peasant" but more of a small landowning farmer or craftsman. Not an impoverished type by any means. (please forgive my use of terminology with trousers/pants etc.) Thanks so much for your time and thoughts, Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center Pennsburg, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 17:16:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CLGWsR023053 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:16:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6CLGUih009024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6CLEgxn009505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CLEeKH040593; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CLEbFi040449 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC08D9190 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:14:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <469699C6.4010806@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:14:46 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition References: <012b01c7c4be$ae69ad20$9c00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <012b01c7c4be$ae69ad20$9c00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 840d694f-9f5a-4236-96d2-8e3c05baead0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46969A2E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > Guidelines: > -- The clothing should look as though it's from the medieval or renaissance > period to the uneducated eye. > -- You may use any fabric you wish, including rayon, polyester, stretch > crushed velvet, gold lame, and the like. Oooooh! I've got some lime green crushed stretch velvet and multicolour silver tinsel trim just WAITING for a project like this! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 18:11:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CMBhhh025970 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:11:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6CMBf7k002574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:11:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6CM7rKw021921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CM7mrm093678; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CM7hXd093562 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1184277897-121900820000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1184277897 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id B13C3150578 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:04:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8000150E2 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:04:57 +0200 Message-ID: <018001c7c4d0$ca123120$9c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012b01c7c4be$ae69ad20$9c00a8c0@compaqub> <469699C6.4010806@reddawn.net> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:05:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91c96988-e223-4315-8aec-de7e1d83b479 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4696A71D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ok, so just because I can't enter, doesn't mean I can't make something! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 22:15:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D2Fq0i007991 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:15:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6D2FoCs028134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:15:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6D2E31F067357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D2DwYu083169; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CFHCeJ033249 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c46.188794ab (42809) for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:17:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 444b65ec-4eac-481a-acca-4188bc62632a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4696E056.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They're individually tasteless. ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 22:24:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D2O1ua008467 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:24:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6D2NxH3001951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6D2M8Mn068705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D2M7HC089417; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6CM2MUE088629 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail12.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABDKPKFYAB7S38S for (sender ); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:01:26 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7/Gem8DZvHWQg7Ti/zwAYOUNvpXHf+cPSA== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MSGV9DWK; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:01:00 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:00:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:00:46 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century German "hosen" X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070712.150100.10878.224337@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2988641672 X-MAIL-INFO: 4c002d8d2dbd1d41bd1da5491da559ac69a125e10de9a1199c850d7d193179ec19456d78002800213ca5011d0049 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|webmail12.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 3cf89b1f-6404-4e26-b41c-f95528aa29bf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4696E23F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm more familiar with the latter half of the 18th century, but as far a= s I know, breeches were standard for all European men. The ones for a wo= rking man might be made of coarser stuff and not nearly as fitted, but t= hey were breeches none the less. = I'm sure you've already considered it, but the best source I know for dr= ess specific to Pennsylvania is "Rural Pennsylvania Clothing" by Ellen G= ehret. = = Karen Seamstrix -- "Candace Perry" wrote: Greetings: I'm new to the list and really seeking resources on quite specific time periods and people. I am hoping somewhere out there someo= ne will have some answers, as I haven't stumbled across anything in my trav= els. What I am looking for today is information on what the average rural Ger= man (and to be more specific, we can say Saxon or Silesian) may have worn in= the 17th through approximately mid 18th century in terms of pants/trousers/breeches/hosen. We've been having a discussion here at m= y place of employ, which interprets a specific Pennsylvania German group, about trousers during this period, as at least initially the trousers we= re most likely the same for the immigrants in PA as they were for their kin= sman in the homeland. My colleague seems to think they could not have worn breeches, as their English counterparts might have here in the colonies. To him it seems f= ar too formal for a farmer to be wearing breeches, but frankly I don't know= otherwise. We have no artifact record to turn to, unfortunately, except= for that of a more formal nature. It has been long accepted that the costum= e of the local rural German speaking man in the late 18th century would have included breeches, but my colleague questions this, and I can see his po= int. Was there some sort of loose fitting pants with pockets the average work= ing German Joe would have worn? We're not talking "peasant" but more of a s= mall landowning farmer or craftsman. Not an impoverished type by any means. (please forgive my use of terminology with trousers/pants etc.) Thanks so much for your time and thoughts, Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center Pennsburg, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 12 23:22:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D3Mor4012246 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:22:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6D3MntZ011654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:22:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6D3KvKi079119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D3Ks41032627; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D3Kp8Q032590 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AD6C53AF5D for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:20:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th century German "hosen" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:21:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abab1232-9d93-4c21-901f-3338018758fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4696F009.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You should look for German Baroque artists. For a start; Johan Liss, early 1600s http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Johann_Liss The Bildindex seems to be having problems so wait a day and try them. De -----Original Message----- Greetings: I'm new to the list and really seeking resources on quite specific time periods and people. I am hoping somewhere out there someone will have some answers, as I haven't stumbled across anything in my travels. What I am looking for today is information on what the average rural German (and to be more specific, we can say Saxon or Silesian) may have worn in the 17th through approximately mid 18th century in terms of pants/trousers/breeches/hosen. We've been having a discussion here at my place of employ, which interprets a specific Pennsylvania German group, about trousers during this period, as at least initially the trousers were most likely the same for the immigrants in PA as they were for their kinsman in the homeland. My colleague seems to think they could not have worn breeches, as their English counterparts might have here in the colonies. To him it seems far too formal for a farmer to be wearing breeches, but frankly I don't know otherwise. We have no artifact record to turn to, unfortunately, except for that of a more formal nature. It has been long accepted that the costume of the local rural German speaking man in the late 18th century would have included breeches, but my colleague questions this, and I can see his point. Was there some sort of loose fitting pants with pockets the average working German Joe would have worn? We're not talking "peasant" but more of a small landowning farmer or craftsman. Not an impoverished type by any means. (please forgive my use of terminology with trousers/pants etc.) Thanks so much for your time and thoughts, Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center Pennsburg, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 13 00:11:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D4BsZL015286 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:11:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6D4BqAx025056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6D4AUCE085730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:10:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D4ASbL070361; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D4APoD070284 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I9CPI-00036H-G0 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:05:28 -0400 Received: from 207.69.137.7 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:10:19 -0400 Message-ID: <23549182.1184299820185.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:10:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVC To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd696dc7044856a5e774799da9dd561170ce4e508857176a6fc1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Expedited passports (OT) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f915a9cc-ec71-40f2-a37f-7d0a43b5133d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4696FB88.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 13 04:24:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D8OHC5030113 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:24:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6D8OFv6011871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6D8MhbE024126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:22:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D8MdI8068405; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D8MZFe068357 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6372774050C; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:22:15 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <012b01c7c4be$ae69ad20$9c00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:22:37 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c7c526$f8cb7160$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcfExGYpde+m5gMMTxGwriUbbl7cQgAYb4gw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <012b01c7c4be$ae69ad20$9c00a8c0@compaqub> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 336801a2-1559-40df-8fa6-e6d9572a5019 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469736AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dang! I have the perfect dress. I made it in college. It was supposed to be a Renaissance dress. It is of turquoise knit sleeves and skirt, with bright blue cotton-poly bodice, trimmed with machine made flower trim. All machine sewn and a LONG zipper in back. The French hood was the crescent only, made of cardboard, with material glued on and jewels and trim attached with hot melt glue. I kept it for my kids to play dress up. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:56 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT: Aluminum Swan Garb Competition ALUMINUM SWAN GARB COMPETITION Sometimes you feel like an authenticity nut, and well, sometimes you don't. In recognition of those times when you don't, the Pre-Raphaelite Garb Yahoo list is instituting the Aluminum Swan Award, to honor the best NON-authentic garb. Taking our inspiration from the romanticized Victorian Pre-Raphaelite depictions of medieval clothing--and from Victorian costume books in general--the Pre-Raph list relishes the clothing that you thought was historical, before you knew better. The Aluminum Swan Award will be won by the person who does the best job of depicting those youthful medieval fantasies. If you were costuming the Lord of the Rings movies, what would you make? If you were the Princess Bride, what would you wear to the wedding? When you picture a damsel in distress, what does her gown look like? Are Rapunzel's dresses as long as her tresses? What does a knight in shining armor wear when he's lounging around the castle? Guidelines: -- The clothing should look as though it's from the medieval or renaissance period to the uneducated eye. -- You may use any fabric you wish, including rayon, polyester, stretch crushed velvet, gold lame, and the like. -- You may use any modern construction techniques you want, including machine sewing, serging, iron-on interfacing, and so on. -- You may purchase parts or props for your outfit, but the majority must be made by you. -- You may use elements from pre-existing garments or outfits, but may not re-use a pre-existing outfit without significantly updating it specifically for this contest. -- Several people may collaborate to submit a group entry. Entries will be judged by myself, taking into account both popular acclaim and the following criteria: -- How medieval(oid) is the overall effect? -- Would you fit in well at a Victorian fancy dress party? -- Have you taken recognizeable elements from real medieval or renaissance clothing and rearranged them to suit your own taste and/or the tastes of modern (or Victorian) fashion? -- How complex is the outfit? -- How creative is the concept? Extra credit will be awarded to anyone who can prove they've worn their entry in public, especially at a medieval or renaissance-themed event. All participants will receive an origami swan made of aluminum foil, and the winner will receive an award token as well as their choice of Pre-Raphaelite poster from http://www.allposters.com/-st/The-Pre-Raphaelite-Brotherhood-Posters_c2112_. htm up to $35 including S&H (or a $35 gift certificate towards the purchase of a more expensive poster). If a group wins, each member will receive an award token, but only one gift certificate will be awarded. To enter, please send: -- pictures of your outfit -- a short write-up -- your contact info including your address -- written permission to display your images on the Pre-Raphaelite Garb list for judging as well as on a website displaying the contest participant and winner To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PreRaphaeliteGarb/ or directly to me, at formfunc (at) formfunction.org. Entries must be submitted by Oct 1, 2007. Winner will be announced Oct 15, 2007, or at my convenience. -E House, List Owner, Pre-Raphaelite Garb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 13 07:31:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBV6nS002762 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:31:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6DBV4f0022160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:31:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6DBUSHG052593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBUOGZ098719; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBAqUw084289 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so597514ugc for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ok6PJPljf75HDFjudeEmD0GMq+Rfx8JsDu+RO63tr9JVGFwYiIg7DwsJPNjfo6OF/nTPLfmQ9uwrPQE4KPR6On28C7Ia3EEGdi3tgqCpNluHhiZcB4SpN/hllz+oC5I6dJyeZVzAMv7yijGkGJ76Y8Artsq8+XnPJahQUrJuiUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h+3gpOoFGOWDzubdfim1CnpsKDAok7HbnsEtfrNi285kX7FmJYdAfyngZAHJCYAZvy8aeSmzHoImtGRQojwsGnkwonNZ2LEnPUu369UTzL2FP3/RxP06f9frJd/VzevDBcRAMZ7k4hEnXWBRf+6i3Bqn6RC+8kOlUTwJhJEXuhU= Received: by 10.78.186.9 with SMTP id j9mr450233huf.1184325051642; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.156.19 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0707130410h4de5222bhaad8f9c893fffac3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:10:51 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula In-Reply-To: <4696745E.6030101@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> <009c01c7c419$66f4e360$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> <750AE67A-C998-4F94-90CD-8D722000397D@bovil.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070712082211.05afbc70@suziclarke.co.uk> <4696745E.6030101@bovil.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c489c2f4-734a-4f3d-96c1-fdd21f11f3cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46976278.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > Really? What period? > I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair > (yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. I'm pretty sure the book of the costumes said they were based on Kabuki costume rather than anything European. That said Lucy's wedding dress I'm sure was based on a portrait in 20,000 Years of Fashion and is early-mid 17thC. I just saw it again recently online.... I also found a similar painting which shows it was a fashion of some particular place and time. And the book said it was based on something else. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b12a.jpg And the similar portrait: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b11a.jpg Micahela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 13 07:37:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBbCaw004151 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:37:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6DBbA5r010895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:37:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6DBaUmq053688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBaT2m003727; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBaPK1003607 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.66.86 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=qU2r0hrAAAAA:8 a=IgRhZzc8AAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=BB-t1wfyA3grILScXsgA:9 a=nwReqRtI9ji2cM-1Xk4A:7 a=rPaxVJ1m40erg7F8SRbCNIK1g8sA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,536,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="7469808" Received: from 79-72-66-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.66.86]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2007 12:25:37 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070713123455.048754f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:36:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0707130410h4de5222bhaad8f9c893fffac3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> <009c01c7c419$66f4e360$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> <750AE67A-C998-4F94-90CD-8D722000397D@bovil.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070712082211.05afbc70@suziclarke.co.uk> <4696745E.6030101@bovil.com> <73fb7a5f0707130410h4de5222bhaad8f9c893fffac3@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: ra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 865b77d0-cbb9-4d18-b34f-53ce89516785 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469763E6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 12:10 13/07/2007, you wrote: >> > Really? What period? >>I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair >>(yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. > >I'm pretty sure the book of the costumes said they were based on >Kabuki costume rather than anything European. That said Lucy's wedding >dress I'm sure was based on a portrait in 20,000 Years of Fashion and >is early-mid 17thC. I just saw it again recently online.... I also >found a similar painting which shows it was a fashion of some >particular place and time. And the same artist too. I recognised that in the film - nothing to do with Romania, Transylvania, and the 19th century, but hey, this is fiction, right? > And the book said it was based on something >else. >http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b12a.jpg >And the similar portrait: >http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b11a.jpg > >Micahela de Bruce >http://glittersweet.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 13 07:45:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBj3de006820 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:45:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6DBj13g020064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6DBgUj5054796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBgT9T008308; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBgPKQ008210 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c42.154df5ad (42808) for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:42:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:42:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fdfa9ee-9f13-41ec-aa60-ccd1c002e095 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469765BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eastern Daylight Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: nothing to do with Romania, Transylvania, and the 19th century, but hey, this is fiction, right? ******************** Then don't, at the beginning of the film, put up a date in 20 ft high numbers: 1898 ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 13 07:58:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBwlPo009750 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:58:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6DBwjPK003021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6DBw2cd057252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DBw1up020219; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6DBvwZT020103 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200707131158.l6DBvwZT020103@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Jul 2007 11:57:52 -0000 Received: from e176011168.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [85.176.11.168] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 13 Jul 2007 13:57:52 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1++5ilOnze+5kd0cYB3dHZpy4piTCY4dyAqOYSG3U fLEMUv+tzaPtyQ X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:57:51 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070713123455.048754f8@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <002901c7c376$a60b1590$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <9090af7933de0.33de09090af79@columbus.rr.com> <003101c7c38f$69e8e9c0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711200044.057ad528@suziclarke.co.uk> <009c01c7c419$66f4e360$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> <750AE67A-C998-4F94-90CD-8D722000397D@bovil.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070712082211.05afbc70@suziclarke.co.uk> <4696745E.6030101@bovil.com> <73fb7a5f0707130410h4de5222bhaad8f9c893fffac3@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070713123455.048754f8@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f742927-a8c1-4098-9087-734289a1fb5d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469768F5.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, at school, we=B4ve got a book of Eiko Ishioka=B4s=20 work with lots of pictures from all the movies=20 she made. I remember having seen a picture of=20 Lucy with fangs in her wedding dress next to the=20 photo of an angry Australian lizard. Apparently,=20 the inspiration for the ruff was not only from a=20 historical source. However, I think it=B4s a great=20 idea to dress a vampire like a reptile! Hanna At 13:36 13.07.2007, you wrote: >At 12:10 13/07/2007, you wrote: >>> > Really? What period? >>>I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair >>>(yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. >> >>I'm pretty sure the book of the costumes said they were based on >>Kabuki costume rather than anything European. That said Lucy's wedding >>dress I'm sure was based on a portrait in 20,000 Years of Fashion and >>is early-mid 17thC. I just saw it again recently online.... I also >>found a similar painting which shows it was a fashion of some >>particular place and time. > >And the same artist too. I recognised that in=20 >the film - nothing to do with Romania,=20 >Transylvania, and the 19th century, but hey, this is fiction, right? > >> And the book said it was based on something >>else. >>http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b12a.jpg >>And the similar portrait: >>http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b11a.jpg >> >>Micahela de Bruce >>http://glittersweet.com >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 13 09:05:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DD5Z8A016416 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:05:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6DD5YlS002327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6DD4gm4069019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:04:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DD4dgZ073675; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm23.prodigy.net (flpvm23.prodigy.net [207.115.20.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DD4ZUw073564 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.14.16] Received: from [75.46.14.16] (adsl-75-46-14-16.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.14.16]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6DD4Sfp004610 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:04:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <68CCD542-ED05-415B-B3D0-4CD596EF2926@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:04:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 595f7edd-ed4e-4e4d-99d4-136e10e98dca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4697789E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jul 13, 2007, at 7:42 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > Then don't, at the beginning of the film, put up a date in 20 ft high > numbers: > > 1898 Yes. It's one thing to have some fantasy-based costumes in a vampire film (though perhaps we shouldn't talk about the strapless orange chiffon nightie...), but when you have a particular date, things that are quite accurate for another date are confusing. Mina's big bustles were awfully out of style for 1898! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 13 17:35:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DLZaFd014692 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:35:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6DLZYrc001096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:35:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6DLYxNa077258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DLYtxA024236; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DLYpui024080 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cd2.155b4cfd (39953) for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:34:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:34:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c480d486-b5b0-4e4d-a610-dad09645f02e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4697F026.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 In a message dated 7/13/2007 7:58:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 h.zickermann@gmx.de writes: However, I think it=B4s a great=20 idea to dress a vampire like a reptile! *************** =20 I agree. But without foreknowledge of her idea... the costume has nothing t= o=20 do with conveying anything reptilian.=20 Now, how does she explain making Dracula look like Leon Russell? =20 The problem with that film goes way beyond the costumes. For one it's "Bram=20= =20 Stoker's" Dracula.... they made a big noise about following the book. Then =20= the very 1st scene and sequence in the film is NOT in the book. Hmmmmm...looks=20= =20 like trouble ahead. And it is. There are some very interesting ideas in the=20= =20 film, but it comes across as if the producers and powers that be thought EVE= RY =20 idea they had was fabulous and we'd just love them too. There's no tightenin= g=20 of ideas and concepts. It's literally all over the place. And, no, we don't= =20 love them all. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > nothing to do with Romania, Transylvania, and the > 19th century, but hey, this is fiction, right? > > ******************** > > Then don't, at the beginning of the film, put up a > date in 20 ft high numbers: > > 1898 Ah, like The League of Extrodinary Gentlemen (or whatever its actual title is). Big date re: 1890s, Tom Sawyer as the ingenue and a bunch of creepy characters. But Tom Sawyer was 10-14 in the 1850s. He's still an young innocent in the 1890s?!? Eat your heart out, Dorian Gray. Which movie I enjoyed and enjoyed the costumes, but entirely separately from any historical implications. 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Autos new Car Finder tool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 14 17:24:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ELOkI6016022 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:24:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6ELOj2p024736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:24:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6ELNlHJ015270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ELNhLT017389; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ELNd5S017345 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18462 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Job opening, Cincinnati X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45b12c14-ea64-44ba-8ac2-f4c1c2fc6ea7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46993F1D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If interested, send resume, references and salary requirements to the HR Department, Cincinnati Art Museum, 953 Eden Park Drive, Cincinnati, OH 45202. Fax 513.639.2881 Mailto:humanresources@cincyart.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 12:33:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FGXeZW005069 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:33:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FGXcK0027906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:33:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FGWiq0056712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FGWZGQ061631; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FGWVFA061571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-75-68-166-211.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.166.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l6FGWTNs005602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:32:33 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shopping recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd924d0c-1716-44c5-8c32-ce3b620065c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469A4C63.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi - I'm going to be on the west coast (U.S.) next week and am determined to visit at least one fabric store! So, in San Francisco or in the LA area, if you could visit one fabric store where you could be assured of a fantastic bargain on silk, where would it be? For silk, I'm thinking taffetas, embroidered, etc., things generally suited to 18th/early 19th century wear. Thanks. - Hope ------------------ hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 13:12:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FHCevx006763 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:12:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FHCc3f027742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:12:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FHC8AA062380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FHC7OQ087015; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6FHC49J086938 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 24155 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2007 17:11:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CEFp7Xiv5C2VRQ2bXNUv7El6FkMJtN7XEuQsaJH3M5Iiwv6tFvS5JoWg14naOZcTjzlKF/aoFyHRbheDUfRYzJNojzW4HVwLPCEfya/FTcJtCn8RBdhNTsNPeQcyDxYEd1K2vmYgIcEvWCWyzGhAQFPLVap9jpVU0fuqCbYGTFQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 1mCOLcwVM1kXeHIEX231RcSJz8vgPkVyA95r6FPLf_bG58fIMiWr_5tClbyJxgpFRVsXIK90FfN9nNjF5pfJjFujenstk2R6yZQbZmRZ.Ja9cxeGA2E- Received: from [68.252.48.160] by web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:11:58 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] shopping recommendations To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <780741.22769.qm@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22a0bcb9-3d17-4fe7-94fd-634746c295bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469A5586.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, I don't know if they are still there (we moved east 15 years ago) but there used to be a couple of silk warehouses in the LA garment district. Some of the local folks can probably say for sure. Twenty years ago I bought some really excellent Chinese silk for a really excellent price. I couldn't tell you the per yard now, but I spent only $50 total and still have some left. I think it averaged out to about $1.50/yd. I know I managed to get two wedding gowns, some happy coats and a bunch of pillows from the remnants. I hope it is still there. One day I will get back out there to visit my in-laws in Laguna Niguel and take a side trip to LA. --- Hope Greenberg wrote: > Hi - > > I'm going to be on the west coast (U.S.) next week > and am determined to > visit at least one fabric store! So, in San > Francisco or in the LA area, > if you could visit one fabric store where you could > be assured of a > fantastic bargain on silk, where would it be? > > For silk, I'm thinking taffetas, embroidered, etc., > things generally > suited to 18th/early 19th century wear. > > Thanks. > > - Hope > > ------------------ > hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 14:22:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FIM0YG009404 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:22:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FILx5h017140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:22:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FIKmbL075137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FIKkwr033468; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FIKgHq033438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.78] (dial-209-148-113-78.sonic.net [209.148.113.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6FIKe5Z022309 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:20:41 -0700 Message-ID: <469A656F.9010104@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:20:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shopping recommendations References: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39654b01-28a0-472f-8888-638865bed6d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469A65C7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO San Francisco: The Silk Trading Company: Not a bargain outlet, but if you get any chance visit the Silk Trading Company, which BTW is not open on weekends. This is a huge, warehouse-sized store crammed with fancy silks, silks, silks (especially, all kinds of taffetas, including ones with historic-styled allover embroidery). It's the kind of store you walk around with your jaw dropping open the whole time. Britex: This is also not a bargain store, but it is a big, full-to-overflowing, four-story fabric store in downtown San Francisco. They specialize in high-quality and hard-to-find fabrics of all kinds. When I was writing sewing articles regularly for _Sew News_, and the editors came out here once, they said at dinner that they personally ranked Britex as the second-best fabric store in the US. (They traveled around a lot for business, and went to every fabric store they could in every city they visited. The best, they said, was G Street Fabrics in what I understand was its heyday. I've never been to G Street, but people say it's changed.) Satin Moon: This is a small, but crammed, fabric store in a major restaurant district of SF, which means you may have trouble parking. (But you definitely will not have any trouble finding a place to eat, as the district has several restaurants per block for a long stretch.) Satin Moon carries good-quality fabrics and an interesting selection, things you don't see in other local fabric stores. There are a number of other fabric stores in San Francisco, but I see these as the best ones. There are some little quilting fabric stores in the Bay Area, but you can find those anywhere, and as for Jo-Ann's . . . Outside San Francisco, but in the Bay Area: Thai Silks: This store is south of San Francisco, in Los Altos. They specialize in bargain silks, as bargains go around here. They have a pretty good selection, especially if you either want something fairly basic, or those rather heavy Chinese brocades that have a rayon back and a silk face (those brocades are, however, pretty easy to buy around here). Poppy Fabrics: This store is across the bay, on the border between Berkeley and Oakland. Poppy is a large store that lately seems to specialize more in home-dec and evening wear fabrics--but that of course means many fabrics of interest to historic costumers. (Years ago, they were a quilting fabric store specializing in tiny cotton prints.) StoneMountain and Daughter: In Berkeley. A small store, with a good selection of fairly "ordinary" fabrics. They used to be a great discount store, but not any more, probably because a big Discount Fabrics moved into the area (see below). Discount Fabrics: In Berkeley. This is actually a chain, and there are several other local stores. But somehow I only ever seem to go to the one in Berkeley. (It's on the way home from my dentist's and I go every time I have my teeth cleaned.) This Discount Fabrics is very large. They actually carry both racks and racks of sketchily labeled fabrics of all kinds and all levels of desirability, and some that are not discounted, but which they seem to stock regularly. They regularly stock a good selection of dupionis--they are nice dupionis, but the prices are the same as everywhere else locally. They also always have bolts of silk necktie fabrics, which I think are discounted, but since I seldom see necktie fabrics for sale, I'm not sure what the going prices are. Discount Fabrics is a serendipity shopping store--you either don't see anything you'd even dream of buying, or you find something great. I bought a whole bolt of great cream-colored sheer embroidered muslin there once. (They'll happily sell to you buy the yard though.) There are some other fabric stores in the East Bay, but I don't go to them, or not much. Aside from the quilting stores: There is a discount upholstery/drapery fabric store called Kay's somewhere in Oakland. Or at least there used to be. I haven't been in a long time. It used to be a good place to get discounted historic style brocades. Someone on h-costume--Theresa Ecker???--once pointed me to a huge and really great upholstery/drapery discount store in San Mateo. I think. It was somewhere, somewhat, south of San Francisco. She said they had some great embroidered silk taffetas. I went there. I bought some great embroidered silk taffeta. Then I lost the store name and address and haven't been there since. Maybe someone on the list knows which store I mean? The North Bay, Marin County, probably also has fabric stores, but I haven't been to the North Bay in years. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Hope Greenberg wrote: > Hi - > > I'm going to be on the west coast (U.S.) next week and am determined to > visit at least one fabric store! So, in San Francisco or in the LA area, > if you could visit one fabric store where you could be assured of a > fantastic bargain on silk, where would it be? > > For silk, I'm thinking taffetas, embroidered, etc., things generally > suited to 18th/early 19th century wear. > > Thanks. > > - Hope > > ------------------ > hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 16:18:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FKIDrT014157 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:18:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FKIBpm030712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:18:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FKHKEw098873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FKHHfM008238; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FKHEaD008209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.78] (dial-209-148-113-78.sonic.net [209.148.113.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6FKHCM0007298 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:17:13 -0700 Message-ID: <469A80BF.8050301@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:17:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shopping recommendations--PS References: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> <469A656F.9010104@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <469A656F.9010104@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e185599d-d8e7-4df0-b46a-afe37a385c08 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469A8103.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you to go Berkeley, you might want to go to University Avenue, where, stretched out over some blocks, is an Indian sari shop district. There are a number of shops varying in quality and pricing. Also, just off University is IMO the best Indian restaurant in the Bay Area. And one of the few that hasn't copied the standard Gaylord's menu, or the standard local lunchtime buffet. It's a hole in the wall called Bombay Cuisine, and the food is fantastic. If you go to Oakland, my favorite dim sum restaurant in the Bay Area is there. It's called the Jade Villa. But there are lots, and lots, and lots of Chinese restaurants all over the Bay Area--greasy chopstick, moderate family, upscale/gourmet (the best of those is Ming's in the South Bay, IMO), fusion cuisine, everything. If you want a four-star gourmet vegetarian dinner, there's Green's in San Francisco. Pricey, but a real dining experience. Cafe Chez Panissse in Berkeley is really classy, and somewhat cheaper and less traditional-French than Chez Panisse downstairs from it. Also pricey though. Bucci's in Emeryville (the East Bay) is my favorite local Italian restaurant. There are also plenty of fancy little pastry-and-espresso-drink places. Forget Starbucks, there are many far better independent places. Basically, the Bay Area has thousands of restaurants of all kinds. You can find pretty much any cuisine here. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 16:49:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FKn5D4015504 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:49:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FKn3Ju010977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:49:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FKmhUC003520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:48:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FKmfGA029297; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6FKmcvr029215 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13261 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2007 20:48:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZsG2XtAGixvfLdH1GC6ND2wv90M+DfUlkGLNaRCfBjq6w1VjOew1HjyswhVC+fmkdt8Cmr8sEgM4cQSd+M9DyBk/XCdqxcpRgcsesB93dBITuFoA0iJbMdtUVak5MDaxJGu8bmcJf4ZiVWyK+jGSMZLnyaJX0fcWTzTSY7H4Qy4=; X-YMail-OSG: 6VaSOOYVM1mk1UzunX86CDwkRE3tNfRK9v6OFix7dmKxIvLeuKromo4ltm9sjFyYcCHefnRB6V3KAxSed_uEBNPgo9jgPI1oHd4pHxwqUlKyH6jnLF2ZoWSyUOHooQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:48:33 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:48:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <470397.12887.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] fabric shopping X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26e0d0cd-e1a4-4d51-9db2-fb461a300177 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469A883F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I was wondering whether any of you have some recommendations for e-shops with fabrics or shops that would send me a catalogue? Some shops that would have basic fabrics like satin, taffeta etc. in various colours? I always get in trouble when searching for one specific colour... Thanks a lot, Zuzana --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 17:07:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FL7Pue016328 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:07:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FL7Nrw005840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:07:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FL75LR081322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FL74md041326; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FL714A041241 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c83.1604936b (29672) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:06:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] shopping --slightly OT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a48e684-5a05-456f-993d-227ea1a37199 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469A8C8B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/15/2007 4:18:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Basically, the Bay Area has thousands of restaurants of all kinds. You can find pretty much any cuisine here. When I made my first trip to SF in the 1980s, the paper said there were enough restaurants for everyone to eat out every night for three years, and then you would have to start over because there would be new ones. Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 17:11:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FLBDKX016513 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:11:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FLBBnm025221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:11:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FLAb8J002651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FLAbT4044138; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FLAXXb044015 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:10:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c38.18d4c364 (29672) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:10:24 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 907c94a2-834f-4634-b602-b477a2e64c2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469A8D6F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 17:31:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FLVp3N017393 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:31:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FLVnPH015310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:31:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FLVEq6008029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FLVBZJ058642; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FLV8Y6058607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.244] (dial-209-148-114-244.sonic.net [209.148.114.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6FLV6GV022280 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:31:07 -0700 Message-ID: <469A9211.1030203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:30:57 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] shopping --slightly OT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 483f94d0-98bb-48c4-a9e9-db428e58a183 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469A9245.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > When I made my first trip to SF in the 1980s, the paper said there were > enough restaurants for everyone to eat out every night for three years, and then > you would have to start over because there would be new ones. > > Ann Wass Sounds about right. The whole Bay Area, not just SF, is full of restaurants, artisan bakeries, coffee shops, gourmet grocery stores, and what have you. I forgot to say, I may have thought of the Jade Villa in Oakland (which, to digress again, is unusual in serving a full dim sum on weekdays), because there is a fabric store near there called Silk Road. I haven't been there in awhile, as I do much of my East Bay fabric store crawling when I go to the dentist, and Silk Road is not conveniently located for that. Anyway, it's a small store, but has some nice fabrics, and a decent silk selection. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 18:04:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FM44Zf018678 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:04:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6FM3xe7008724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:04:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FM3XMh012144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FM3VYI078015; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FM3Rhj077923 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.14.16] Received: from [75.46.14.16] (adsl-75-46-14-16.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.14.16]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6FM3A6a022441 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:03:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <470397.12887.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <470397.12887.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34FB332F-6183-43CD-9AE5-36144BC3CDCF@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric shopping Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:03:12 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d3fbff5-f912-4f4e-b4ce-c30199d8fdfd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469A99CF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've got a bunch of links to fabric sources online at del.icio.us. Go to http://del.icio.us/melisant and click on either sources--fabric or sources--silk in the blue links on the right side. (For anyone who has tons of bookmarks and needs to access them from different computers, I highly recommend del.icio.us. It's easy, it's free, and if your hard drive crashes, you don't lose all your links. You can also make your links public or private--I keep mine public for occasions such as this.) Melanie Schuessler On Jul 15, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering whether any of you have some recommendations for > e-shops with fabrics or shops that would send me a catalogue? Some > shops that would have basic fabrics like satin, taffeta etc. in > various colours? I always get in trouble when searching for one > specific colour... > > Thanks a lot, > > Zuzana > > > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 20:11:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G0BDGO024429 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:11:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6G0B9rH024368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:11:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6G0ACiq056489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:10:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G0A7fq052958; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G0A3rG052860 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 115298096 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:09:58 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <470397.12887.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric shopping Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: <00f501c7c73d$cf5eaf90$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <470397.12887.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcfHP27apEriR4EHRRCQHBbGQNQnbgAAaWUQ X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 102, in=143, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0b41680-b3c6-45b4-bc13-c28f8bc1a8c6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469AB79D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Travel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 21:02:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G12aSR026204 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:02:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6G12Z1a028701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6G1214x062404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G11x2f082692; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:01:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G11uWQ082633 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1IAEyJ19p4-0001bk; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c7c744$e519b800$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] shopping recommendations Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:01:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/1ryV62gQKtHc0WMHO/nruLohPG5mJRkNlmWZ ZBlTdW1vGiak48JHD2vFhrhV/7ykClz8fmmFR9giknwgv4MhvJ zB2hJo6LSGg5RM2Cq4RRg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68d21d93-8427-425b-a082-5b217fd8b071 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469AC3AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hope, I was reading a fashion magazine last week and came across a Hope Greenberg as the editor. Is this you? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 21:19:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G1JiHX026763 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:19:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6G1JgMb007925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:19:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6G1JMIG064795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G1JKMa093131; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G1JGoZ093034 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A78163E0612; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:18:57 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> Subject: RE: [h-cost] shopping recommendations Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:19:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c7c747$58d22140$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> Thread-Index: AcfG/ee4WgTeZxXXQW69vQ7PHJfG0wASPXaQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71ba63f3-6e4a-4d71-bdec-104d29617f7b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469AC7AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Depends what you call a bargain. How much is silk usually? There is "Fabrics R Us" in San Jose, about 30 miles south of San Francisco. Lots of silks in a wide range of colors. It's on Berryessa Rd. I don't remember cost, sorry. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hope Greenberg Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 9:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] shopping recommendations Hi - I'm going to be on the west coast (U.S.) next week and am determined to visit at least one fabric store! So, in San Francisco or in the LA area, if you could visit one fabric store where you could be assured of a fantastic bargain on silk, where would it be? For silk, I'm thinking taffetas, embroidered, etc., things generally suited to 18th/early 19th century wear. Thanks. - Hope ------------------ hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 15 23:12:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G3CKs6030819 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:12:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6G3CJOj032522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:12:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6G3BcEL080051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G3BXZL062037; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G3BT92061973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l6G3BSJK001142 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:11:28 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:15:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1a8499c-09bd-43c6-a747-157ab7985abd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469AE213.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I may get banned for saying this, but I was so irritated at the liberties they took with Umbridge that she grated on me the entire movie. She is so particularly described as "frog-like" and wearing an Alice Band (a hair band for those US types that never saw the Tennille drawings for Alice in Wonderland!). This woman did the syrupy sweet b*(h, but was too tall, and too together to suit my vision. I missed Peeves too! I suppose that to do it justice this book needs someone to do it in 3 movies (the fight scene alone would make an entire movie!) like Lord of the Rings! Man did I recognize that Pink clothing from the Jackie Kennedy days! Thank God I wasn't wearing it, but I do recognize it! Wanda > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:10 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" > > > Went to see this movie yesterday. Of special interest to me was the > wardrobe of Dolores Umbridge. I think they cornered the market > on pink boucle. One > great outfit after another, all in shades of pink/fushia/soft > red, and great > cat jewelry. > > Ann Wass > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 02:00:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G60bvJ004681 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:00:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6G60Z7p030409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:00:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6G60Aav000442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G602cx056453; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G600d4056380 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:00:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so761770nze for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:59:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PS2kOi1Ign+MqscU96AIWNiy/2RkPcJNGgvwhvB03zQILfdOsUyGw7Tq6va/QXNGj8ttaHc3Jwz9UPjI+9GyDMvhkK7QlJQO0tIwXgfKMTAbt2lSW6ECIYlpq2WKJLPkfgGOOmFJF3hF9fx0XoDD+KHnhYO5Fg0PgQ3mCEvw8Ew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bDvQWBW8xZfvcdOiNkbCY1jALtZVy5npkqetDVxzv8nuf+A47mISuk0mKGYeG5icY0xKkqZvae7punNPqg8JM9Mxqs8G5eE5Ub23eO7pj93nSEpd2XjnV2UCUPgC+MI/SP4uYHuwGgyh5147IaEt4dps/p0qsdR4w2lstIfr+jM= Received: by 10.142.178.13 with SMTP id a13mr289109wff.1184565597185; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:59:57 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: SF/SJ shopping recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0769745d-b7c6-4415-9165-d5d92998a869 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469B0983.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > I'm going to be on the west coast (U.S.) next week and am determined to > visit at least one fabric store! So, in San Francisco or in the LA area, > if you could visit one fabric store where you could be assured of a > fantastic bargain on silk, where would it be? > > For silk, I'm thinking taffetas, embroidered, etc., things generally > suited to 18th/early 19th century wear. 'Lo Hope, I'm a SF/SJ local & I'd recommend Thai Silks for plain taffetas, china silks & Chinese brocades in a rainbow of colors (but you could order the same thing from them online). For sheer wacky variety, I'd have a wander thru the Scary Fabric Store aka Fabric Mart (corner of Lundy & Berryessa in N San Jose). It's piled very high & close together, but there will be things you cannot find anywhere else. I think they buy dead stock, overruns and stock from warehouse/retail store closings. http://www.sanjose.com/fabric-mart-b2480191 Britex in SF is where you going for the expensive (silk on silk velvet, unusual (velvet ribbon) or designer items. Big yawn for us historical types. You wont find historical looking embroidereds. If you gotta stay in SF and dont want the high end designer things, try Discount Fabrics in the Haight http://www.discountfabrics-sf.com/ or maybe one of the places the drag queens shop. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 04:55:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G8tMEB014990 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:55:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6G8tKDl027695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:55:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6G8raI6019549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G8rWxK048792; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G8rSOQ048762 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.40682844; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:53:01 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l6G8r0S08259.; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:53:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:52:59 +0100 Message-Id: <469B3FF302000014000D5C17@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:52:51 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200707131131.l6DBVN7k099547@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200707131131.l6DBVN7k099547@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:18th century German "hosen" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c4e7b16-e455-4f95-8901-a604badc081b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469B3279.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Candace Perry wrote [snip] >My colleague seems to think they could not have worn breeches, as their >English counterparts might have here in the colonies. To him it seems far >too formal for a farmer to be wearing breeches, but frankly I don't know >otherwise. We have no artifact record to turn to, unfortunately, except for >that of a more formal nature. It has been long accepted that the costume of >the local rural German speaking man in the late 18th century would have >included breeches, but my colleague questions this, and I can see his point. >Was there some sort of loose fitting pants with pockets the average working >German Joe would have worn? We're not talking "peasant" but more of a small >landowning farmer or craftsman. Not an impoverished type by any means. Breeches were formal dress in the late 18th/early 19th century, when working men had begun to wear trousers. However, you asked about the 17th to mid-18th centuries; knee-breeches were standard masculine wear in those periods. At least in the 17th century, there were various styles but all were fairly loose-fitting, not like the elegant garment of the 1780s/90s. I don't know about Germany specifically, but this is true for Britain/Western Europe generally. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 05:18:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G9IEYX018255 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6G9ICk8002667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:18:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6G9HIEa022545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G9HH6u061262; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G9HDl6061129 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ccc.16680dc2 (40521) for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:16:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1382e03-d64d-4dfc-8db0-97680d3cda86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469B37D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/15/2007 11:12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wandap@hevanet.com writes: I may get banned for saying this, but I was so irritated at the liberties they took with Umbridge that she grated on me the entire movie. She is so particularly described as "frog-like" and wearing an Alice Band (a hair band for those US types that never saw the Tennille drawings for Alice in Wonderland!). You are right about that--but it was so long since I had read the book that I had forgotten all about the description of her. I have to admit, she wasn't what I would have chosen, but I thought it was an interesting interpretation all the same. And at 138 minutes, the movie was quite long enough. You can't do a 700 page book as one movie without cutting something. And if each book was made into 3 movies, well, that is 21 films, in all, isn't it? Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 06:05:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GA5KnQ028311 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:05:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GA5Ifo000790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6G8t3ko019733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G8t27n049491; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:55:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6G8sw9e049451 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.40682943; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:54:35 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l6G8sXS08509.; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:54:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:54:33 +0100 Message-Id: <469B405002000014000D5C1C@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:54:24 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century German "hosen" References: <200707131131.l6DBVN7k099547@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200707131131.l6DBVN7k099547@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87f23c1a-16ff-4ae0-ab81-6a2a688ffa0e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469B42DE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 08:15:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GCFSlg019708 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:15:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GCFQxg012710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:15:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GCDqWR046538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GCDkWQ070895; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6G4bbVw011679 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:37:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: (qmail 76328 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2007 04:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.105?) (mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@71.137.197.210 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2007 04:37:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cVXOLQUVM1n33H0HZScgoXbjjH3PGXCl.tY04K9XPPWFav8J In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:37:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc23a4c0-e08a-4fdb-a222-501d378bdacd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469B615F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:53 PM, otsisto wrote: > Soon the word brassiere was abandoned for bra and ever since > in fashion history we have referred to the bra. > I don't think the word was abandoned that early. My mother is 75, meaning she probably bought her first bras in the mid 40's, and she always calls them "brassieres" (which led to my mortification on shopping trips when I was old enough to need one). Margo. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 10:26:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GEQdHT025251 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:26:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GEQcM0012035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GEOR6D071528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:24:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GEONd8079735; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GEOIFo079664 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 0695D2E82B7 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:15:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 6FBD22E828E for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:15:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13816 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:24:07 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:23:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Thread-Index: AcfHZzlwrztsNZTIS1mmnJJWnhSpmAAS59XA References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2c00567-4ef8-4931-86f7-4b88909fffba X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469B801E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, the movies are different from the books. In the books, I think that the students only wear robes over everyday attire; in the movie they wear uniforms to class and usually robes. Robes aren't worn all the time. Also, this year and part of last when the movie was shooting, a headband(or Alice)band was definitely a fashion must, especially for the age group worshiping Paris Hilton et.al as fashion icons. So putting the movie Umbridge in bad Chanel knockoffs 60's suits was not such a bad idea, I think. Also as a Ministry of Magic official, she would be more intimidating to the students and the audience by being tall--we associate height with authority. I do agree that this one book is worth 2 or 3 movies in length--perhaps in the future a literal miniseries of all the books might get done as in two-plus hours it isn't possible to be totally faithful to each book. I was going to see the movie this coming weekend as I hate dealing with large crowds, but the last Harry Potter book will be hitting my mailbox sometime Saturday, so I will have to read the last book first!! Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 11:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" I may get banned for saying this, but I was so irritated at the liberties they took with Umbridge that she grated on me the entire movie. She is so particularly described as "frog-like" and wearing an Alice Band (a hair band for those US types that never saw the Tennille drawings for Alice in Wonderland!). This woman did the syrupy sweet b*(h, but was too tall, and too together to suit my vision. I missed Peeves too! I suppose that to do it justice this book needs someone to do it in 3 movies (the fight scene alone would make an entire movie!) like Lord of the Rings! Man did I recognize that Pink clothing from the Jackie Kennedy days! Thank God I wasn't wearing it, but I do recognize it! Wanda > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com=20 > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:10 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" > > > Went to see this movie yesterday. Of special interest to me was the=20 > wardrobe of Dolores Umbridge. I think they cornered the market on=20 > pink boucle. One great outfit after another, all in shades of=20 > pink/fushia/soft red, and great cat jewelry. > > Ann Wass > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 13:28:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GHS7ll032718 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:28:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GHS5eZ029932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:28:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GHQv4P010949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GHQl5t086421; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:26:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GHQfCO086308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:26:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.28] (dial-209-148-114-28.sonic.net [209.148.114.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6GHQelo004843 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:26:40 -0700 Message-ID: <469BAA47.1090708@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:26:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: SF/SJ shopping recommendations References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e10f5917-544c-4002-80e2-3090d49ee44e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469BAAA5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Britex in SF is where you going for the expensive (silk on silk > velvet, unusual (velvet ribbon) or designer items. Big yawn for us > historical types. You wont find historical looking embroidereds. Something must be wrong with me . . . I've bought lots of costuming fabric at Britex. No, they do not specialize in fabrics for historic costumers. There is no such store in the San Francisco Bay Area. But Britex is by far the largest general fabric store in the San Francisco Bay Area, and they have a large selection of luxury and natural-fiber fabrics of all kinds. That is their specialty. Britex is a store where there are fabrics in cases up to the ceiling, accessible only by ladder, piled deep on tables, in compartments under the tables, and all over the place. The salespeople are eager to help. But don't expect them to have a clue what you mean if you ask for a fabric from some historic era. I once asked a salesperson to help me find an early 19th-century-style embroidered muslin-like fabric, and she proudly dug out a lovely sheer white cotton--with big kittens embroidered all over it. However, once I suggested floral sprigs, specifically, she located a number of others, and I bought one that was very appropriate. You actually don't really need the salespeople at all if you are willing to climb ladders, etc. But they don't really like you to, so you have to be furtive. As for the stores catering to drag queens--not unless you want to buy things like cheap, extremely glittery lame, and huge, brightly colored feather boas. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 14:31:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GIVSub002937 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:31:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GIVQis004234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:31:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GIUVg3023676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GIUQti059684; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GIULHp059476 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pauline@thelovens.co.uk) Received: from [82.69.33.131] (helo=ohw) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1IAVKq0PU2-0003Ka; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:30:16 +0200 From: "Pauline Loven" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:30:54 +0100 Message-ID: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 thread-index: AcfH1paFCgm2heKzSZaxILBW4waqzg== X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX188M3orG4jSXpYLG1AxVY5dkvGjEiObB3XFDJU 7+5vb7l5d5BYTWIyfXdZlykpsplKfh9SigrhgbD/7+ZbWOlohf zuj033sZoSud8GiR2a10w== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2a3e353-fe38-4412-86c8-dd98b0400b77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469BB97E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing costume - does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be useful? Many thanks Pauline http://www.luttrellpsalter.org.uk/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/902 - Release Date: 15/07/2007 14:21 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 14:46:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GIkZ0w003581 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:46:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GIkXnk029335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:46:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GIimdV026136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GIik5L075456; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GIigEi075316 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42777D9B23 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:44:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <469BBCBE.6090702@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:45:18 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume References: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> In-Reply-To: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e951c39c-eb98-46e4-b194-36c32c14af5e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469BBD09.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There was some discussion on this list a while back, Oct 6 & 7, 2003 that might be useful. The archives are here: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ Dawn Pauline Loven wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing costume - > does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be useful? > > Many thanks > > Pauline > > http://www.luttrellpsalter.org.uk/ > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/902 - Release Date: 15/07/2007 > 14:21 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 16:09:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GK8wpK006977 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:08:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GK8vBK000842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:09:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GK6jrO043560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GK6asQ068874; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GK6Vmb068718 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AFAFCE5002C; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:06:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:06:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c7c7e4$d0fab270$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> Thread-Index: AcfH1paFCgm2heKzSZaxILBW4waqzgADRxMQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55fb7831-1eed-4427-ae37-6e446d2d6bb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469BD059.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Use watered down latex paint. It looks like dirt, but the material isn't damaged. If you want "wear" on seams or hems, try sand paper (hold wrapped over a block of wood).For a spot where the fabric is worn, try gingerly holding fabric (with something hard inside, like a dowel) against a grinder. Work slowly. Dipping hems in watered down paint looks like mud stains. You can drip wax on the material and then iron it out. It usually leaves a darker mark. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Loven Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:31 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume Hi Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing costume - does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be useful? Many thanks Pauline http://www.luttrellpsalter.org.uk/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/902 - Release Date: 15/07/2007 14:21 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 16:10:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKAtBr007081 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:10:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GKAr0d012494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:10:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GK9WdJ044088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:09:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GK9Qne072218; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GK9Dpk071870 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:09:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0481A90340; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:08:40 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: SF/SJ shopping recommendations Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:09:10 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c7c7e5$2c1bdc10$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcfHbp7sMqEfLmLXRUiDxwkV/PGYfgAdmwkQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2e6eee6-6bbc-449d-b774-0109db19cf50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469BD0CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The "scary fabric store" on Lundy and Berryessa is also known as Fabrics R Us. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 11:00 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: SF/SJ shopping recommendations > I'm going to be on the west coast (U.S.) next week and am determined > to visit at least one fabric store! So, in San Francisco or in the LA > area, if you could visit one fabric store where you could be assured > of a fantastic bargain on silk, where would it be? > > For silk, I'm thinking taffetas, embroidered, etc., things generally > suited to 18th/early 19th century wear. 'Lo Hope, I'm a SF/SJ local & I'd recommend Thai Silks for plain taffetas, china silks & Chinese brocades in a rainbow of colors (but you could order the same thing from them online). For sheer wacky variety, I'd have a wander thru the Scary Fabric Store aka Fabric Mart (corner of Lundy & Berryessa in N San Jose). It's piled very high & close together, but there will be things you cannot find anywhere else. I think they buy dead stock, overruns and stock from warehouse/retail store closings. http://www.sanjose.com/fabric-mart-b2480191 Britex in SF is where you going for the expensive (silk on silk velvet, unusual (velvet ribbon) or designer items. Big yawn for us historical types. You wont find historical looking embroidereds. If you gotta stay in SF and dont want the high end designer things, try Discount Fabrics in the Haight http://www.discountfabrics-sf.com/ or maybe one of the places the drag queens shop. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 16:24:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKOhRt007740 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:24:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GKOgF9003027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:24:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GKMw2i046778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKMsHd087031; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net (alnrmhc12.comcast.net [206.18.177.52]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKMoZn086797 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200707162022.l6GKMoZn086797@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070716202242b1200es40ge>; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:22:42 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:22:27 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 15d35c1b-180d-43cb-8f9d-6fb4d9b1e535 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469BD40A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > >I was going to see the movie this coming weekend as I hate dealing with >large crowds, but the last Harry Potter book will be hitting my mailbox >sometime Saturday, so I will have to read the last book first!! > >Cindy Abel I went to see it yesterday afternoon, and was pleased to find it not terribly crowded at all. Of course, that could be because they had it showing in three theaters, at staggered times, but whatever the reason I was rather glad. No one kicked my seat, I didn't hear anyone talking, and no one's cell phone rang through the whole thing! Oh, and I enjoyed the movie. And wished I could go see it again, when I stepped out into the parking lot where the temp was well over 90 degrees. bleccch. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 16:39:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKdOCL008327 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:39:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GKdN8r021685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:39:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GKbQtA049462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKbLNN002771; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKbEb8002545 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.131] (sjs-130-65-37-131.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.131]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GKb7rO006931; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> References: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:37:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37ebdd84-40e7-490d-b3ca-e122345b0017 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469BD77B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jul 16, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Pauline Loven wrote: > Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing > costume - > does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be > useful? The term you should be searching for is "distressing" a costume. What sort of effects do you want to create, though? Are we talking visible wear, dirt, stains, fading? andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 16:39:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKdfeW008348 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:39:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GKdeaL013433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:39:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GKbWpO049477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKbTFd002918; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKbOZe002724 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.131] (sjs-130-65-37-131.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.131]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GKb7rO006931; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> References: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:37:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96c35c55-52a4-4a0d-b897-52ba427dbf12 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469BD78C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jul 16, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Pauline Loven wrote: > Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing > costume - > does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be > useful? The term you should be searching for is "distressing" a costume. What sort of effects do you want to create, though? Are we talking visible wear, dirt, stains, fading? andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 16:48:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKmcXp008783 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:48:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GKmaoA027517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:48:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GKkgKa051426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKkc7q013118; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GKkYLF012917 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:46:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.131] (sjs-130-65-37-131.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.131]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GKkSrO007667 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DD90DC2-BFE3-465A-934A-298D60BCE672@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:46:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eeccf771-03bf-4260-ad68-16f815e37222 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469BD9A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jul 16, 2007, at 7:23 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > So putting the movie Umbridge in bad Chanel knockoffs 60's suits > was not > such a bad idea, I think. Also as a Ministry of Magic official, she > would be more intimidating to the students and the audience by being > tall--we associate height with authority. It's Imelda Staunton. I've seen her in a lot of stuff; she often works with Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie. She's not at all a tall woman. Positively tiny standing next to Fry and Laurie. 5' even according to the bio information I was able to find. Of course, I haven't watched the movie yet, I suppose they may have put her in heels. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 17:18:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLIJNm009910 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GLIIqc014237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GLHNDq057712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLHJll046111; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLHC03045950 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A2FC640058; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:20:12 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <469BAA47.1090708@lavoltapress.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: SF/SJ shopping recommendations Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:20:41 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c7c7e6$c83f5df0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <469BAA47.1090708@lavoltapress.com> Thread-Index: AcfHzq1qIoqUX8eJQ76tIaIhAihlQgAFyV0Q X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6411262-51b6-4fc0-8c8b-e9f9395e5722 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469BE09A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Britex also has a fabulous remnant section. My husband was looking for a bottle green wool for a Dickens coat. We went to Britex and found the perfect fabric----for $280 a yard! We gulped and said we were looking for something less expensive. The salesperson sent us to the remnant floor and there we found a remnant 3 5/8 yards long of great green wool fabric for a total price of $50. Also a wool/silk blend piece 2 yards long for a similarly low price. Their remnants are often BIG. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:27 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: SF/SJ shopping recommendations > Britex in SF is where you going for the expensive (silk on silk > velvet, unusual (velvet ribbon) or designer items. Big yawn for us > historical types. You wont find historical looking embroidereds. Something must be wrong with me . . . I've bought lots of costuming fabric at Britex. No, they do not specialize in fabrics for historic costumers. There is no such store in the San Francisco Bay Area. But Britex is by far the largest general fabric store in the San Francisco Bay Area, and they have a large selection of luxury and natural-fiber fabrics of all kinds. That is their specialty. Britex is a store where there are fabrics in cases up to the ceiling, accessible only by ladder, piled deep on tables, in compartments under the tables, and all over the place. The salespeople are eager to help. But don't expect them to have a clue what you mean if you ask for a fabric from some historic era. I once asked a salesperson to help me find an early 19th-century-style embroidered muslin-like fabric, and she proudly dug out a lovely sheer white cotton--with big kittens embroidered all over it. However, once I suggested floral sprigs, specifically, she located a number of others, and I bought one that was very appropriate. You actually don't really need the salespeople at all if you are willing to climb ladders, etc. But they don't really like you to, so you have to be furtive. As for the stores catering to drag queens--not unless you want to buy things like cheap, extremely glittery lame, and huge, brightly colored feather boas. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 17:19:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLJX1X009948 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:19:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GLJV01006170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GLHNiV057711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLHJpB046101; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLHC9v045946 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0FFA30276; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:11:43 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:12:12 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c7c7e5$99009960$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcfHijC2DoSAtXAPQVeIgkx/RmAYMAAWxE/w X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71244ae6-5881-46cf-8437-495df70ef450 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469BE0E3.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hopefully someday they will do the Harry Potter books PBS style, with each book getting multiple 2 hour "moviettes". Like what A&E did with "Pride and Prejudice". -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:17 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" In a message dated 7/15/2007 11:12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wandap@hevanet.com writes: I may get banned for saying this, but I was so irritated at the liberties they took with Umbridge that she grated on me the entire movie. She is so particularly described as "frog-like" and wearing an Alice Band (a hair band for those US types that never saw the Tennille drawings for Alice in Wonderland!). You are right about that--but it was so long since I had read the book that I had forgotten all about the description of her. I have to admit, she wasn't what I would have chosen, but I thought it was an interesting interpretation all the same. And at 138 minutes, the movie was quite long enough. You can't do a 700 page book as one movie without cutting something. And if each book was made into 3 movies, well, that is 21 films, in all, isn't it? Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 17:19:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLJtK0009973 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:19:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GLJsk1013331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:19:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GLHvY3057886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLHu6R046817; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLHCaf045931 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB73DC6002C; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:56:19 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> <002401c7c7e4$d0fab270$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:56:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c7c7eb$d3b47710$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <002401c7c7e4$d0fab270$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Thread-Index: AcfH1paFCgm2heKzSZaxILBW4waqzgADRxMQAAHdxTA= X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7869064f-3531-4626-aa55-6a694f2470e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469BE0FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, and I forgot to mention, good scenic paint, like Rosco Super Saturated, is intended to be used as a fabric dye when cut with water. Good brilliant colors, too. And a black that is really BLACK. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:07 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume Use watered down latex paint. It looks like dirt, but the material isn't damaged. If you want "wear" on seams or hems, try sand paper (hold wrapped over a block of wood).For a spot where the fabric is worn, try gingerly holding fabric (with something hard inside, like a dowel) against a grinder. Work slowly. Dipping hems in watered down paint looks like mud stains. You can drip wax on the material and then iron it out. It usually leaves a darker mark. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Loven Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:31 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume Hi Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing costume - does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be useful? Many thanks Pauline http://www.luttrellpsalter.org.uk/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/902 - Release Date: 15/07/2007 14:21 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 17:25:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLPvao010166 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:25:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GLPuJ8005617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:25:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GLMM5k058669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLMKcg051600; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLMEr3051367 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.112.56 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=A0oTe3WrAAAA:8 a=3YXbDX_5APAtf4H0Yl4A:9 a=w7eugz-qm2VhFeg6rpcRmrYfLMcA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,543,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="7965021" Received: from 79-72-112-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.112.56]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2007 22:09:02 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070716221919.04757ea8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:22:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume In-Reply-To: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> References: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3003e58-6688-498f-bec0-c1471273b199 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469BE264.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:30 16/07/2007, you wrote: >Hi > >Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing costume - >does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be useful? > >Many thanks > >Pauline > >http://www.luttrellpsalter.org.uk/ You can use a cheese grater, and for dried mud, see if you can get some Fuller's Earth - they still used to sell it in Boots not so long ago. (It makes a great face pack too!) You just add water and it becomes mud. It can be used for dry cleaning too, but thrown onto a costume and allowed to dry, makes real mud. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 17:52:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLqN3U011154 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:52:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GLqMli020511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:52:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GLoNCp063463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLoLEv082226; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLoHrt082161 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:50:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 9D9FD2E81D0 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:41:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 276982E8298 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:41:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10466 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:50:16 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:49:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DD90DC2-BFE3-465A-934A-298D60BCE672@bovil.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Thread-Index: AcfH6mzA9v6eUQdFR/2XF1eE7VpQ+AAB/C8Q References: <3DD90DC2-BFE3-465A-934A-298D60BCE672@bovil.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45d36350-d1e0-428e-869b-da78fb91cba0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469BE896.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO They may have shot her to look tall like, Robbie Contrane's Hagrid as well. Haven't seen the movie either yet, but notice from the way it is shot, in the previews, Imelda looks taller than she is, apparently. For instance, when Harry is before the Ministry of Magic, she seems to be seated as part of a rising stack(stadium seating)of officials, and in other previews appears to be standing when others are sitting. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" On Jul 16, 2007, at 7:23 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > So putting the movie Umbridge in bad Chanel knockoffs 60's suits was=20 > not such a bad idea, I think. Also as a Ministry of Magic official,=20 > she would be more intimidating to the students and the audience by=20 > being tall--we associate height with authority. It's Imelda Staunton. I've seen her in a lot of stuff; she often works with Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie. She's not at all a tall woman. Positively tiny standing next to Fry and Laurie. 5' even according to the bio information I was able to find. Of course, I haven't watched the movie yet, I suppose they may have put her in heels. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 17:59:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLxlNZ011418 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:59:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GLxjPp027595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GLtOWU064263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLtLcn087341; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GLtGeW087157 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d07.14138077 (29678) for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:55:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36ec9ceb-ef25-440c-aea5-53a3addab0a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469BEA51.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/16/2007 4:47:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, attrembl@bovil.com writes: Of course, I haven't watched the movie yet, I suppose they may have put her in heels. Only very low, fushia heels! I think her sense of height, which I didn't notice that much, might come from camera angles, and the fact that she stands on a dias to teach while the students are seated, and such. I'm not sure if there was a conscious effort to make her look tall and commanding. What I found so interesting is that I, at least, don't usually associate pink with a mean character. Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 18:09:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GM9NFH011696 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:09:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GM9Lbr000416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:09:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GM7RnK066088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:07:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GM7PiX099822; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:07:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GM7Mx0099735 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.29.31] (core-dc-4-31.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.29.31]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GM7Fwi004787 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:07:16 -0700 Message-ID: <469BEC99.9000200@theoldforest.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:09:29 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume References: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> In-Reply-To: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb644375-13d9-437f-9b8c-23c99a323c41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469BEC92.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Pauline Loven wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing costume - > does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be useful? we have a whole bunch of suggestions at -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 18:36:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GMavPS012670 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:36:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GMaseb015705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:36:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GMYski070490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GMYmTo028963; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GMYiWu028831 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angelalazear@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 51895 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2007 22:34:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=LV4tp4kKh2JA/joYmtAmCq93aYnClRt1ttUb9fSK5iPrPZ8E1jK9K2m8Pbz6SmVuwqRBRmYZelOguD+NxOc4Cbe9KgjaDSW/zoihCBB9awnj+UWJx/h2leMZ3GqFqfgnGSO5C5o2AIBIuRqZLUWj6zTXFi7CppxjzhcrF471DzU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Angela) (angelalazear@sbcglobal.net@63.203.32.33 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2007 22:34:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S5ZdOKcVM1n.F5mIq65gGnn1loLFh8Np0BTLlErdVxjMfp1KWmZ7mI5WkKUxYCKSf6WEeQS2bxlnJ0tylJzGC_Ubld00o6GOZeHA84Lq5dRDAa9YAJA- Message-ID: <002c01c7c7f9$8033a1c0$080010ac@Angela> From: "Angela Lazear" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:34:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Designer Fabric Sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9006ba46-13d6-4c68-9614-814cb41f8e51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469BF306.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO H-Costume list I thought I'd pass this on in case any of you who are located in the SF = Bay Area might be interested. Sounds like they'll have some nice = merchandise. Stephanie Verrieres is a former costume assistant of mine, = and she runs her own design studio. Her info on the sale is below; angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes=20 Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none:=20 be able for thine enemy rather in power than use,=20 and keep thy friend under thy own life's key:=20 be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram=20 W. Shakespeare=20 http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Designer Fabric Sale=20 Two local fashion design teams, Verrie`res & Sako and Gr.Dano, are=20 consolidating their fabric inventory at an exclusive fabric and trim=20 sample sale open to design students and industry professionals=20 for one day only.=20 Purchase designer fabrics, silks and wools, costume remnants and=20 trims at wholesale cost. Small quantities to large yardage available. =20 Cash and Credit Card accepted.=20 Come in early on Saturday for the best selection. =20 For more information contact us at info@verrieres-sako.com or = 510.534.7150=20 Where:=20 Studio 23=20 (located inside the Cotton Mill Studios)=20 1091 Calcot Place Suite 402=20 Oakland, CA 94606=20 When:=20 *Saturday, July 21st 11am - 3pm=20 *open to design students and industry professionals=20 Sunday, July 22nd 11am - 2pm=20 Open to general public=20 Driving Directions: >From 880 South (San Francisco, North Bay)=20 - take the exit towards 23RD AVE.=20 - stay STRAIGHT to go onto KENNEDY ST.=20 - turn LEFT onto E 7TH ST. =20 - turn LEFT onto 23RD AVE.=20 - turn RIGHT onto E11th ST.=20 - turn LEFT onto CALCOT PLACE=20 >From 880 North (South Bay)=20 - take the 23RD AVE. exit=20 - stay STRAIGHT to go onto 23RD AVE.=20 - turn RIGHT onto E 11TH ST.=20 - turn LEFT onto CALCOT PLACE _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 19:59:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GNxqv3015183 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:59:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6GNxpuq018181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6GNvKdF082587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GNvFhj005425; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GNvCjk005381 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243D070004B for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:47:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <3DD90DC2-BFE3-465A-934A-298D60BCE672@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707161947.07709.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 705d9ee9-e18f-49ca-b759-6daa37303d4e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469C0677.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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But I didn't get the impression that she was any taller than average--and apparently she's shorter than that. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 20:35:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H0ZYXW016215 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:35:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6H0ZWeS029174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:35:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6H0Xn43087228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H0Xmkq034692; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:33:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H0Xip9034633 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from STILSKIN@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9922A43A5C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:33:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-152.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-152.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.152]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:33:45 +1000 Message-ID: <1184632425.469c0e6908b0e@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:33:45 +1000 From: STILSKIN@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume References: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> In-Reply-To: <00d101c7c7d7$72980550$2401a8c0@ohw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9278574-bab1-478c-8bfa-d056c1e6049c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469C0ED4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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What more could you ask for? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 22:25:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H2PaiS020757 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:25:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6H2PYg1019418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:25:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6H2NgwS003254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H2NbTB025002; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H2Mx65024357 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.105]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:22:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:22:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:22:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.230.10.223] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:22:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2007 02:22:54.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[61C9A110:01C7C819] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb3d499b-6eec-487c-9cea-b505ac24e479 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469C289E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Only very low, fushia heels! I think her sense of height, which I didn't >notice that much, might come from camera angles, and the fact that she >stands >on a dias to teach while the students are seated, and such. I'm not sure >if >there was a conscious effort to make her look tall and commanding. I didn't think she looked tall at all in the movie. > >What I found so interesting is that I, at least, don't usually associate >pink with a mean character. > I think that and the kittens on the wall and her constant smiling were intended to point up the fact that she was the evil-that-thinks-itself-good. Either that or pink is the new black, lol! Laurie > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL >at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 16 23:49:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H3nNTE024619 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:49:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6H3nM2W011343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:49:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6H3lBbR017255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H3l7eU089343; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6H3l3aN089184 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDK2Q6QAGYUHZJ for (sender ); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgpf+bgd5YDwJitTNd7L9PJU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MSTTK3BT; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:46:02 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:44:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Message-ID: <20070716.204500.3296.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-8,10-56 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 21:10:2922164664 X-MAIL-INFO: 1dfa9acb9aca6af3ca73934f73f3f317fb5a335e3fafdf77975f3397d38ebedbdaeeded39a9797e7abb78adb5bc32f6fc76b0b1e570e8f3e8f43fb2e43fbba3bfbba6b571e6eeb5acefe6e672733ce6f679f23d767022b1b0ed30ebfe3ba4efb0e3b7eca4a6a4ab7b7eab79317f3938b178b3b13efda2abede7e2a1a9a1a9fabdaee5e63fa X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19545cd4-c9ec-459e-b7c1-689351f6f9f5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469C3C42.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Harry Potter fans! may we come to a concensus here and now about the last book, due to be released in the US July 21? Please, no discussing it on the public list for at least a month! No spoilers, ok? thanks! Arlys, another fan On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:22:52 -0700 "zelda crusher" writes: > > > > >Only very low, fushia heels! I think her sense of height, which I > didn't > >notice that much, might come from camera angles, and the fact that > she > >stands > >on a dias to teach while the students are seated, and such. I'm > not sure > >if > >there was a conscious effort to make her look tall and commanding. > > I didn't think she looked tall at all in the movie. > > > >What I found so interesting is that I, at least, don't usually > associate > >pink with a mean character. > > > I think that and the kittens on the wall and her constant smiling > were > intended to point up the fact that she was the > evil-that-thinks-itself-good. > Either that or pink is the new black, lol! > > Laurie > > > > > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peak of the > all-new AOL > >at > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 00:02:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H42FLs025049 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:02:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6H42DLH027575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:02:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6H40742018878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H406dM098721; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H402og098644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l6H401Wn009552 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:00:01 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Jackie Kennedy is Historic Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:04:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da66720d-0638-43e4-980e-887b29e3d866 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469C3F45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I went in Costume to the book party but didn't get my book with the crowd at the stroke of midnight! Big Mistake! My book didn't come until after 3pm and my housemate's until the next day! I have to have that book read by about 11am because I'm helping my son move his fiancee. She just suffered an ectopic pregnancy that burst and nearly killed her so she is to be duct taped to a chair and allowed to offer nothing but advice as we crate her stuff prior to her new house! Regina (saw the movie at the Seattle IMAX with the fight scene in 3D - WoW!) > I was going to see the movie this coming weekend as I hate dealing with > large crowds, but the last Harry Potter book will be hitting my mailbox > sometime Saturday, so I will have to read the last book first!! > > Cindy Abel > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 07:17:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HBHN7M000568 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:17:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HBHLNL028151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:17:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HBFJqh084448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HBFEBb027621; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6HBFBwx027497 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83353 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2007 11:15:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DezpmYNZJxrhgPRPmvtwaRaUvu0/y2gx5htY/aZHLGmpcMg0sDp9ay9R7L+OfVGQR/d6N8qpZQkF8dAz9Ps4XgECK5VgejTBlfvkBGsWf2H+nQlaSuhiMaOdtqS6CClw6DPDEWXOuPceZJu0ZMOvcfE8ozl1VQluaRxOinKFdlo=; X-YMail-OSG: gV6QRrAVM1kVKp0ODvq.dPs6hnDqSEsSDMLBd1OH4ImUhSN7Cn1XshHAho_vtpBBrEs12V15hYwvQBg60FUs6wtMpDcPexRHoJ4ozNBGtx2GDpEweNsyHELI1vgcbg-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:15:06 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric shopping To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00f501c7c73d$cf5eaf90$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <171278.81713.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e067e965-ad80-4c8e-8b75-3e617e6c7f8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469CA541.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Answers - Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 08:02:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HC2tbn011412 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:02:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HC2seM023664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:02:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HC1rQe091592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HC1pP8066871; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GNJhaU073039 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JLA001DXOSCSFR0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:19:23 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume In-reply-to: <469BEC99.9000200@theoldforest.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a289d7f4-40ad-4023-8348-ab84a231e75b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469CAFEE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Judy Mitchell Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 6:09 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with 'breaking down' costume Pauline Loven wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone direct me to some good tips on breaking down or ageing costume - > does anyone know of any books, booklets or web sites that might be useful? we have a whole bunch of suggestions at -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 08:04:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HC4sag011510 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:04:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HC4qSb027022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:04:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HC3ciw091967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HC3aQ0068684; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H53h34044895 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96CB70004B for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:53:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:53:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <20070716.204500.3296.1.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20070716.204500.3296.1.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707170053.36002.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 939166a7-3d1a-4bd7-be9f-661f65e3c384 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469CB064.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 16 July 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Hi Harry Potter fans! > > may we come to a concensus here and now about the last book, due to be > released in the US July 21? Please, no discussing it on the public list > for at least a month! No spoilers, ok? I think that's only fair. But then, I wasn't planning to discuss Harry Potter on this list--I don't think it's on topic. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 08:59:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HCxgY4013811 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:59:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HCxeVL029671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:59:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HCvZIL001185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HCvW0m017081; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HCvS9Y016956 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200707171257.l6HCvS9Y016956@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070717125722m1400m2oree>; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:57:22 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:56:26 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 258f7e9e-8b19-4afc-b636-6e2178e66d7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469CBD3C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 10:16:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HEGF6J017072 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:16:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HEGD32017019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:16:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HEEKiw017103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HEEH1e094942; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HEEDtB094865 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E3FCC3815C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:14:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:14:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200707170053.36002.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca4645a4-4cc9-484e-81f8-5c5fe6923914 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469CCF2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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But then, I wasn't planning to discuss Harry = Potter=20 on this list--I don't think it's on topic. --=20 Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." =20 -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 10:54:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HEsVUj018680 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:54:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HEsTcM005089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:54:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HCwdN7001358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:58:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HCwdWG018101; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:58:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HCwZC0017947 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:58:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200707171258.l6HCwZC0017947@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070717125830m1400m15jce>; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:58:30 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:57:33 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" In-Reply-To: <20070716.204500.3296.1.Cley@juno.com> References: <20070716.204500.3296.1.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89245acc-02ea-447d-ad18-dc7b303f5c2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469CD825.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 11:56:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HFuKMA021165 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:56:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HFuJ0D004717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:56:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HFsG6s037351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HFsBHw014148; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:54:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HFs5tH014042 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:54:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 2CD412E834A for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:45:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id B6ACB2E8375 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:45:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07623 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:54:04 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:52:02 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Movies: The Golden Age Thread-Index: AcfFoW0uvcA+ReJtQsm6gWWRNLPEOQC5pC3A References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Movies: The Golden Age X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c71ebaf2-9177-4b9e-b10e-60a6b6e8e9bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469CE6A3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There is a picture from the upcoming movie: Elizabeth: The Golden Age that looks pretty authentic, compared to pics of the rest I've seen. Elizabeth I wears it and it appears to be cream satin with a fairly subtle diagonal design. It does appear to have some lace or lace-like embroidery on the bodice front with tiny gems or sequins done sparingly. The open ruff looks pretty good, and the curled, beribboned wig adorned with upstanding feathers held by a jewellered broach is also. But what's with the angle of the wired veiling? Instead of standing upright and framing the entire emsemble, its at about at a 60 degree angle. While aesthetically pleasing to the modern eye, so Elizabeth/Cate Blanchette's face stands out more against the darker background, it isn't what's shown in portraits of the Elizabethan court or most famously, on Mary Queen of Scotts. Does anyone know for certain how this full length, wired from the top in a curved or heart-shape was worn as the final touch to an entire Elizabethan/French noblewoman's ensemble? I always thought it was strictly upright, not at an angle, behind the wearer. Although the angle would ensure that no one could trail too closely behind without at least bumping into the wire veiling. A clever way to ensure a bit more open space around the wearer, however. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ann Catelli Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 5:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Movies Re: The Golden Age(film)/Dracula --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: >=20 > nothing to do with Romania, Transylvania, and the 19th century, but=20 > hey, this is fiction, right? >=20 > ******************** > =20 > Then don't, at the beginning of the film, put up a date in 20 ft high=20 > numbers: > =20 > 1898 Ah, like The League of Extrodinary Gentlemen (or whatever its actual title is). Big date re: 1890s, Tom Sawyer as the ingenue and a bunch of creepy characters. But Tom Sawyer was 10-14 in the 1850s. He's still an young innocent in the 1890s?!? Eat your heart out, Dorian Gray. Which movie I enjoyed and enjoyed the costumes, but entirely separately from any historical implications. 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Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 13:30:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HHUvLY025402 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:30:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HHUm4f024318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:30:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HHU2tZ058653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HHTs88034690; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6HHTou0034516 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52952 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2007 17:29:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uUcPOFqLpbA0YEq9dVux+zsewdcf/QZEzXcIRxjrB4v7oEAE6QbDNhq65uEeGMXgnrRXButIj5L987EQAmuvHgceXpG6uxGHaZdfa1REO5arnu2z6EP7dmj+w3S9q+WjkWESoIa327mrRGb+LfNKmeQLrT98BlbqWa+kA6gN4GI=; X-YMail-OSG: LztSq2sVM1l8iN8.EY1RTyBiVrZaQg.UwQv.o9jj1UXJjH_c4t_sJh7MFRzcQh9tfOSoEaW2Oh0iQSKpgxN1mHSdBqWRUZ8bcsmXnD74WhKmWPSDoLU- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:29:45 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <793915.52521.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d26f081-3bb9-4405-8a25-884d8a4279f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469CFCC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There's a scene full of maneuvering on a staircase with Prof MacGonagle--who is much taller--that's hysterical. No spoilers. Just saw it last night and thought it was wonderful. Umbridge's fake Chanel pinkishness was horrible--perfect, but horrible. It did sort of make up for the lack of literal toad-likeness that Rowling emphasis almost to death in the book. MaggiRos --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/16/2007 4:47:06 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > attrembl@bovil.com writes: > > Of course, I haven't watched the movie yet, I > suppose they may have > put her in heels. > > > > Only very low, fushia heels! I think her sense of > height, which I didn't > notice that much, might come from camera angles, and > the fact that she stands > on a dias to teach while the students are seated, > and such. I'm not sure if > there was a conscious effort to make her look tall > and commanding. > > What I found so interesting is that I, at least, > don't usually associate > pink with a mean character. > > Ann Wass > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 15:22:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HJMZPE030480 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:22:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HJMXBO028787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:22:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HJLtxd080723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:21:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HJLXua069864; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HJLPME069524 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.72]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070717192119.DZSP4133.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:21:19 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.72]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070717192118.DSGM16279.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:21:18 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:20:49 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070717192118.DSGM16279.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] book finally arrived X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c6e6494-59f0-4055-a9df-e77da0194c99 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469D16F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Natural Dyes by Dominique Cardon Hardcover: 778 pages 560 Illustrations, Archetype (2007) ISBN: 190498200X It just got here! I originally pre-ordered it from Amazon in June of 2006.. and was cancelled. I then re-ordered it from Blackwell-UK... and was cancelled. I re-ordered it yet again.. this time from A1Books (said they had it in stock) via ABE and shipment was delayed.... I was beginning to wonder if I was going to have to order it from the publisher and pay full price, but was able to finally get it for $108.44 including shipping Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 16:27:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HKRPDA000591 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:27:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HKRNlT005151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:27:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HKQjWd093959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HKQckF047080; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:26:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HKQX1o046943 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.28.185] (core-dc-3-185.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.28.185]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HKGDrw004869 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:16:14 -0700 Message-ID: <469D2412.9050806@theoldforest.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:18:26 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" References: <793915.52521.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <793915.52521.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 265399c4-61d5-4bae-9f3f-b9f19696c46e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469D262B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO MaggiRos wrote: > There's a scene full of maneuvering on a staircase > with Prof MacGonagle--who is much taller--that's > hysterical. reminded me a bit of the stairway scene from 1776, actually. > > No spoilers. Just saw it last night and thought it was(since ALEP isn't an actual non-profit, you aren't bound by donating only to official non-profits > wonderful. Umbridge's fake Chanel pinkishness was > horrible--perfect, but horrible. It did sort of make > up for the lack of literal toad-likeness that Rowling > emphasis almost to death in the book. in addition to the missing Alice band (with the bow that always looked like a fly), they seemed to forget her usual green cardigan (ewww, on top of those pinks?!) that also emphasized her toad-iness. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 18:31:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HMVRXY005798 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:31:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6HMVDlC028563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:31:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6HMPgcg018107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:25:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HMPcAm079624; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HMPX0c079549 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1C9FF702A0; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:25:13 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200707170053.36002.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:25:46 -0700 Message-ID: <00af01c7c8c1$6c044150$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcfIfaW2WTERnEyDR5S3F6Xi9XLMGgAQ4YSw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4dcb170-a20c-4ba8-8e3c-fd833ea7e81c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469D4331.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Tie shoes to your knees, then kneel. Like Tim Conway as "Dorf" :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" It is slightly on topic for the costumes, specifically ms. Umbridge's pink Chanel knockoff. :) What is scary is that at JoAnne's on there clearance shelf in my town, they have that pink blended thick yarn material. But I'm to tall to go to the masquerade at NASCI-FI as Umbridge. :) But I agree that discussion of the new book is OT. De -----Original Message----- I think that's only fair. But then, I wasn't planning to discuss Harry Potter on this list--I don't think it's on topic. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 20:32:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I0WxIj011593 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:32:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6I0Wv2N026048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:33:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6I0W2AK036051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I0VwHG084594; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6HLYO8a026174 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from webmail12.lax.untd.com (webmail12.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.152]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDK4PQZAFG6WNS for (sender ); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7l4kwgfTL3BC/X+z8zzolry/WO4n+yhPIA== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by webmail12.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MSVQNRQZ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:33:34 PDT Received: from [72.196.9.146] by webmail12.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:32:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.196.9.146] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "llwatts@juno.com" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:32:53 GMT To: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070717.163253.553.1@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain X-ContentStamp: 4:6:3733633969 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.152|webmail12.lax.untd.com|webmail12.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ca79e1a-5527-4212-9317-125f29b377f1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469D5FBA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO To anyone who has made Folkwear's Tibetan Panel Coat, or lives = someplace where they can take a look at a real one: Is this supposed to be a knee-length garment, or a mid-calf? The envelope picture isn't clear. I already tried asking Folkwear = directly, and the response was "moron, look at the back of the = envelope, it's a 47" long garment". 47 inches long would be almost floor-length on me, and I know that's = too long. I need to shorten this, but how _much_ do I need to = shorten it? Also, my pattern does not have the adjustment lines that the pattern = instructions claim are present. Does it work better to shorten at = the hem, or about the middle of the pattern piece? Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 20:34:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I0Yxuc011718 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:34:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6I0YwXX028090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:35:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6I0YBTM036382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I0YANj086230; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HM7f7V061777 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 4AAFF2E80EB for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:58:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id CDE2C2E80A1 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:58:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20170 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:07:34 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <469D2412.9050806@theoldforest.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Elizabeth-The Golden Age Thread-Index: AcfIsNDvJVuvZ4byQJOiIji0wjUWfgADa2DA References: <793915.52521.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <469D2412.9050806@theoldforest.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeth-The Golden Age X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af829b52-8479-4478-b829-100120abf192 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469D6032.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 21:10:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I1ARKH013235 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:10:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6I1AQGk010963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:10:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6I19vGr041343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:09:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I19u8o012538; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:09:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nlpi001.prodigy.net (nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I19qka012432 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nomadmt@pacbell.net) X-ORBL: [63.195.131.242] Received: from Nomad (adsl-63-195-131-242.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [63.195.131.242]) by nlpi001.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6I19UgS005092 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:09:31 -0500 From: "Margo" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c7c8d8$50c69070$3739a8c0@Nomad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070717.163253.553.1@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Thread-Index: AcfI0yZTpW1iETEGSuGMqoBshuSsnwABSX6g Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed11c1c2-d34b-4c57-a645-1b21b9af484e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469D6882.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've made several of these; on myself and my husband they come to somewhere between mid-calf and knee. I don't know what they're supposed to be! I wouldn't shorten at the hem; I'd try for a middle of the pattern piece adjustment. And, an ankle length one might look very nice! "Don't forget your bucket" Ice Machine in the Desert/Brave Combo -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of llwatts@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:33 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat To anyone who has made Folkwear's Tibetan Panel Coat, or lives someplace where they can take a look at a real one: Is this supposed to be a knee-length garment, or a mid-calf? The envelope picture isn't clear. I already tried asking Folkwear directly, and the response was "moron, look at the back of the envelope, it's a 47" long garment". 47 inches long would be almost floor-length on me, and I know that's too long. I need to shorten this, but how _much_ do I need to shorten it? Also, my pattern does not have the adjustment lines that the pattern instructions claim are present. Does it work better to shorten at the hem, or about the middle of the pattern piece? 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[It took me a minute to figure this out...duh!] Enjoy! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 17 22:14:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I2ElZN016197 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:14:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6I2EkXe031671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:14:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6I2E8Ot049647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I2E6Gx059440; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6I2E0xJ059339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-217-167-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.217.167]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l6I2DwxU020383 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:13:59 +1000 Message-ID: <003501c7c8e1$4d6e4ea0$a7d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3DD90DC2-BFE3-465A-934A-298D60BCE672@bovil.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:13:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e22d3f8e-7b05-4ec5-9a88-0b9340f80336 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469D7796.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The only scene I can recall where you can see Imelda Staunton's height in direct comparison to another character is a confrontation between her and Maggie Smith (Professor McGonagall) and I noticed that Maggie Smith looked to be the same height when she was standing one step lower on the stairs. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Order of the Phoenix" They may have shot her to look tall like, Robbie Contrane's Hagrid as well. Haven't seen the movie either yet, but notice from the way it is shot, in the previews, Imelda looks taller than she is, apparently. For instance, when Harry is before the Ministry of Magic, she seems to be seated as part of a rising stack(stadium seating)of officials, and in other previews appears to be standing when others are sitting. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 18 15:07:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IJ72B6027370 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:07:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6IJ70e0003962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:07:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6IJ6VV7054141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IJ6Kix023639; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IJ6EGC023534 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so262044wri for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:06:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RvIUpjNAhX0w/h5MifPwnJG8jKLhcTaZT8lPxoS7Rq43x1AtcGe8MyU3JyL6SOTpIUKLzMS1BfwZr80ulhJM5xpPMbpAvEmXjsEoWnaXfLgF9SDctkjoKrayVN4nJhAUiVSFHes13nww/Xs4ZVF6UoJwtDRSCDhNzdC6Ec1fFdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=F9BqNltCIAsSIaFF87ED/eKG1FiBY2OidCjk7JMbtYPQC4G7MJC91gP7F+3wqLt59q/xgS0D23a+ezp0xYqRpmi1rlF2GpkTJZXyg576/NRzaaD5mNNGqnyLaH3DFR7Zkfe00pffPU4TsU6ZKB4HYIhM2agZDgUcLqtDLezWKaQ= Received: by 10.142.108.14 with SMTP id g14mr142235wfc.1184785573710; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:06:13 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 769a2514-8014-4060-bbf7-cc6e02794269 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469E64D4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Leah, Since I remember that you're rather shortwaisted, I'd adjust to shorten the pattern at the waist & hip. Bring the indicated W & H marks up to match yours. You may also need to make adjustment at the neck, bustline & across the shoulder since IIRC you're bustier than the typical B or C cup Folkwear designs for. Have fun at GenCon, I'm missing this year, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-ID: <20070717.163253.553.1@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain To anyone who has made Folkwear's Tibetan Panel Coat, or lives someplace where they can take a look at a real one: Is this supposed to be a knee-length garment, or a mid-calf? The envelope picture isn't clear. I already tried asking Folkwear directly, and the response was "moron, look at the back of the envelope, it's a 47" long garment". 47 inches long would be almost floor-length on me, and I know that's too long. I need to shorten this, but how _much_ do I need to shorten it? Also, my pattern does not have the adjustment lines that the pattern instructions claim are present. Does it work better to shorten at the hem, or about the middle of the pattern piece? Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 18 16:31:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IKVSp4031691 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:31:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6IKVOsn028475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:31:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6IKUlQl080025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IKUbh7031675; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:30:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IKUV2o031557 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1IBGAI-0008gs-Kn for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:30:30 +0000 Message-ID: <469E7865.6080006@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:30:29 +0100 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Native american dresses References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 472075aa-2a1e-48c3-844b-55608796d0e9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469E789C.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 18 19:04:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IN4GvX005780 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:04:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6IN4EEk009936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:04:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6IN375l012740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IN30Ir094690; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:03:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IN2sXJ094521 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id QAA14551 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:02:48 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070718155710.028273a8@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:02:47 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beverly Azizi In-Reply-To: <200707151800.l6FI0OIL020313@net.indra.com> References: <200707151800.l6FI0OIL020313@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Silk shops X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1e0f581-b97f-49e7-a5fa-3b62a6007d56 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469E9C6F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:32:33 -0400 >From: Hope Greenberg >Subject: [h-cost] shopping recommendations >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi - > >I'm going to be on the west coast (U.S.) next week and am determined to >visit at least one fabric store! So, in San Francisco or in the LA area, >if you could visit one fabric store where you could be assured of a >fantastic bargain on silk, where would it be? > >For silk, I'm thinking taffetas, embroidered, etc., things generally >suited to 18th/early 19th century wear. > >Thanks. > >- Hope > >Here is a review from a costumer who recently visited the LA >garment /fabric district. If you go there you won't be limited to >one because they are side to side for a few blocks. I certainly >hope that i am not stepping on any toes by shareing this. It was >posted on another list. Hi Fabrics, Inc, at 937 Maple Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90015 Deja recommended this highly, and she was right on. It has fabrics on roller-arms on the left, niches with more rollers of fabric on the right, and rolls standing on end dividing what would be one aisle into two. The silk (dupioni and other) is at the front, on the left roller arms. ---------------------------------------- Fabrics & Fabrics (DBA M. M. P., Inc), at 403 E. 9th St. Los Angeles, CA 90015 This shop was two shops wide, instead of long and narrow. The silk was at the front, again with the chenille-accented designs. In the back on the right side, they also had a wall of medium weight linen in many lovely colors. These were quoted at $6/yd (before dickering), and the white handkerchief weight at $10/yd. ------------------------------------------- Next door is a 99-cent niche. It has no storefront, just a banner proclaiming the price of all goods; there was no front wall. That's where I got the medium weight muslin, $10 for 10 yards. ------------------------------------------- Next door to that is L.A. Fred's Fabric, Inc, Drapery and Upholstery, 411 East 9th St. Los Angeles, CA 90015 Definitely upscale fabrics. They say they are a silk specialist, and their store bears them out. Not quite as crowded with fabric as the others we went into. This is where I found the red silk I had to take away with me. One person quoted $15, then later someone else quoted $20. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 18 19:15:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6INFbTw006241 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:15:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6INFaKY011423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:15:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6INFCnQ015122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6INFCww006000; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6INF8Cx005939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.234] (dial-209-148-113-234.sonic.net [209.148.113.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6INEtpo002568 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:15:04 -0700 Message-ID: <469E9EF1.9070006@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:14:57 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Silk shops References: <200707151800.l6FI0OIL020313@net.indra.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070718155710.028273a8@uci.edu> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070718155710.028273a8@uci.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 231be8b1-8c8a-4773-8a7b-c1e415353503 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469E9F18.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 18 19:18:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6INIng8006360 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:18:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6INIlWc027702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:18:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6IND8Ou014797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IND7q5004303; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IND45K004199 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id QAA17443 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:12:58 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070718160953.027f1e10@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:12:57 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beverly Azizi In-Reply-To: <200707160853.l6G8rXsH048796@net.indra.com> References: <200707160853.l6G8rXsH048796@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:On line fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4b6df9d-5c4d-4c36-aa05-6eb58cca62c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 469E9FD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Beverly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 18 19:24:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6INOGGl006606 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:24:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6INOFGI008407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6INL0gq016287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6INL0ZC011432; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6INKuXK011371 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:20:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from talia (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l6INHkKf003570 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:17:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "KLH" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Silk shops Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:18:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <6.2.5.6.2.20070718155710.028273a8@uci.edu> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f66955c-88f8-4cc9-8254-681d7280f306 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469EA11F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Speaking of silk, I'm going to Thailand next month for a couple of weeks. Should I bother to go silk shopping? Not sure how much better the prices would be over Los Angeles... Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Beverly Azizi Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:03 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Silk shops > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:32:33 -0400 >From: Hope Greenberg >Subject: [h-cost] shopping recommendations >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <469A4C21.2080501@uvm.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi - > >I'm going to be on the west coast (U.S.) next week and am determined to >visit at least one fabric store! So, in San Francisco or in the LA area, >if you could visit one fabric store where you could be assured of a >fantastic bargain on silk, where would it be? > >For silk, I'm thinking taffetas, embroidered, etc., things generally >suited to 18th/early 19th century wear. > >Thanks. > >- Hope > >Here is a review from a costumer who recently visited the LA >garment /fabric district. If you go there you won't be limited to >one because they are side to side for a few blocks. I certainly >hope that i am not stepping on any toes by shareing this. It was >posted on another list. Hi Fabrics, Inc, at 937 Maple Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90015 Deja recommended this highly, and she was right on. It has fabrics on roller-arms on the left, niches with more rollers of fabric on the right, and rolls standing on end dividing what would be one aisle into two. The silk (dupioni and other) is at the front, on the left roller arms. ---------------------------------------- Fabrics & Fabrics (DBA M. M. P., Inc), at 403 E. 9th St. Los Angeles, CA 90015 This shop was two shops wide, instead of long and narrow. The silk was at the front, again with the chenille-accented designs. In the back on the right side, they also had a wall of medium weight linen in many lovely colors. These were quoted at $6/yd (before dickering), and the white handkerchief weight at $10/yd. ------------------------------------------- Next door is a 99-cent niche. It has no storefront, just a banner proclaiming the price of all goods; there was no front wall. That's where I got the medium weight muslin, $10 for 10 yards. ------------------------------------------- Next door to that is L.A. Fred's Fabric, Inc, Drapery and Upholstery, 411 East 9th St. Los Angeles, CA 90015 Definitely upscale fabrics. They say they are a silk specialist, and their store bears them out. Not quite as crowded with fabric as the others we went into. This is where I found the red silk I had to take away with me. One person quoted $15, then later someone else quoted $20. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 18 23:58:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6J3wiJr031709 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:58:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6J3wfF7001268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:58:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6J3w1Ho058989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6J3vv5N024812; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6J3vsta024706 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1289FDA0EE for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:57:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <469EE143.3020404@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:57:55 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat References: <20070717.163253.553.1@webmail12.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20070717.163253.553.1@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87aa7e19-3f24-41bc-ad2e-ccde64b39526 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 469EE171.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO llwatts@juno.com wrote: > > 47 inches long would be almost floor-length on me, and I know that's > too long. I need to shorten this, but how _much_ do I need to > shorten it? I started to make this once upon a time, and have since lost the entire project. 47" would be mid calf on me, and I'm medium height. I think mid calf is about the right length, from the pictures I see. > > Also, my pattern does not have the adjustment lines that the pattern > instructions claim are present. Does it work better to shorten at > the hem, or about the middle of the pattern piece? IIRC, most of the pieces are rectangles. Does it matter if you take out from the middle or the bottom? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 19 08:58:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JCwt4V025523 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:58:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6JCwrcH019296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:58:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JCvdS7033465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JCvZEW002905; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JCvVEu002750 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070719125721.OBID2325.fep32.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:57:21 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.81]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070719125721.CRND8421.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:57:21 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c7ca04$5a3ebf10$51e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:57:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.63.231.81] at Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:57:20 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] China Silk Floss. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69c97d13-be70-4e6b-8991-c8b037ce4f0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469F600D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello the list, Just wanted to share a happy thing wich just happened to me. I had ordered a lot of silk floss directly from China. More than 2 kg. Then when i wanted to try them out, i noticed that the threads was not stranded into smaller threads like Eternas silk floss. It was a solid thread full of tiny tiny threads. The floss is cut out into lenghts of 84 cm each, and i tryed to split them, but it was impossible. Now i got help from H-Needlework, they advised me to cut the thread shorter. Now i have succeded to split one thread into 16 smaller strands without troubble. Think about the possibilities with this, i can mix collours if i need another shade i dont have.And make different thicknesses of strands. A little more time consuming, but truely worth the effort. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 19 09:06:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JD6weU025811 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:06:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6JD6uan004679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:07:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JD63l7035184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JD603N011284; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JD5uYO011167 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:06:46 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] China Silk Floss. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:06:43 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B022142F4@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <001401c7ca04$5a3ebf10$51e73f50@CPQ21932199711> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] China Silk Floss. Thread-Index: AcfKBLI/BjgynADkRTWoe/M8LPCakwAAOiog From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2007 13:06:46.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[A960A940:01C7CA05] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68a723bf-f923-4a44-bcb4-ed81157171a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469F61F0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne,=20 You are a treasure! Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:57 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] China Silk Floss. Hello the list, Just wanted to share a happy thing wich just happened to me. I had ordered a lot of silk floss directly from China. More than 2 kg. Then when i wanted to try them out, i noticed that the threads was not=20 stranded into smaller threads like Eternas silk floss. It was a solid thread=20 full of tiny tiny threads. The floss is cut out into lenghts of 84 cm each,=20 and i tryed to split them, but it was impossible. Now i got help from H-Needlework, they advised me to cut the thread shorter.=20 Now i have succeded to split one thread into 16 smaller strands without=20 troubble. Think about the possibilities with this, i can mix collours if i need=20 another shade i dont have.And make different thicknesses of strands. A little more time consuming, but truely worth the effort. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 19 14:19:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JIJcZI004821 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:19:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6JIJMrC027131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JIIk8Z097469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JIIbGu058072; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JIIVSb057859 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:18:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1184869089-633700010001-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1184869089 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 80B3E23D928 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:18:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC80015C7EF for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:18:11 +0200 Message-ID: <03fc01c7ca31$4647fe40$9c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070717.163253.553.1@webmail12.lax.untd.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:18:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20e9f24d-7bb0-44e7-8f18-8ae225b3edad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 469FAB2A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: << 47 inches long would be almost floor-length on me, and I know that's too long. I need to shorten this, but how _much_ do I need to shorten it? >> Unless I'm remembering wrong, most patterns are made with a height of 5'6" (66") in mind. Figure out the difference between that and your height, then subtract a tad less (to keep things proportional) from the 47". So if you're 5' even (60") then you'd wind up with a new length of 41", but you'd add in about an inch because the heads of people who are 5' tall are generally the same size as people who are 5'6" tall, winding up with a new length of 42". -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 19 15:07:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JJ7Sir006490 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:07:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6JJ7Qo2014213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:07:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JJ6lsa007142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JJ6cFv012791; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6JJ6Yst012633 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 68888 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2007 19:06:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=EIPI+uZ6TWFvuDpNGievtRYlX6Y+DdHwyPK5Fsk5aI2Y9LncIzNh3zoyZv7BwIC/2IJsscJGJ1uvjyIdqUJgdeq55gTeYIBeY7JoY91DfN/1wzIK2+Cnyza5zY/aTKHW8dKLulrz7vuh/e5fxgLAL0QCWp96wWxdQHzpKj2AyHQ=; X-YMail-OSG: L.phvw0VM1loh3Kpx73aziIT_2CAvUiB9VYRaFWiogailJfk0zSy.I84GxIB.E_d4W7L7VcnXm1zv8_Sk0.j7zAJWj3re6XuvwWxR9PTktgZkbR8e0Wg9UAWf2Zi6w-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:06:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <103649.68478.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c19f55cd-90d0-4ced-bde1-098ab39df80e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469FB66E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi De,=0A=0AThat *might* be the cambric I found. It's at least as light as = batiste, if not moreso. I can only get it wholesale and have to buy in bulk= . In North America, I get it from Ulster Linen. I believe they also have a= parent company somewhere in the UK. =0A=0AKathy=0A =0AErmine, a lion rampa= nt tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, = slipped and leaved vert=0A(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head= erased gules. =0AIt=92s never too late to be who you might have been.=0A-G= eorge Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of = knowledge. =0AWhere the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art= .=0A-Leonardo da Vinci=0AOnce upon a time there was a discussion on batiste= weight linen and a source=0Awas posted. I thought I saved the URL but I ca= n't find it in my link files.=0ACould someone with the link please post it = and post (if you remember) the=0Aname of that type of linen as I know it is= n't batiste.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Be smarter than spam. See how sma= rt SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail = at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 19 15:28:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JJSXeS007193 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:28:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6JJSV2Y012027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JJKfdK009834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JJKYf6027242; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JJKTSE027057 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=O+TrBGq2LlZCqGUF+dAICADDWx0CmRotXkSUZHZOuWfeU0bmLoUCx753q70VamaL; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IBbXz-0004U9-R6 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:20:23 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:20:23 -0400 Message-ID: <26221127.1184872823760.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:20:23 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c6f6f38e479b84b8440e0b0b3c40733c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c29acd5f-4129-4781-b1cd-e76c32434c88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 469FBB5F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Someone wrote: >Once upon a time there was a discussion on batiste weight linen and a source >was posted. I thought I saved the URL but I can't find it in my link files. >Could someone with the link please post it and post (if you remember) the >name of that type of linen as I know it isn't batiste. The discussion I remember began when Julian Wilson (Hi, Julian!) mentioned that he had bought some batiste to make banners with from a local supplier on (Old) Jersey. Lots of us got very excited. Upon investigation, however, it turned out to be cotton rather than linen, IIRC. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 19 15:53:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JJrKsR007978 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:53:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6JJrJth008149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:53:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JJqu5u016017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JJqpv9061283; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JJqGli060540 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C51D13F2F7 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:52:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:52:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <26221127.1184872823760.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5754a5c2-2540-4410-bcbe-00aa0e4a0e8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 469FC12F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO but there was further discussion and a name of the sheer linen (it was = not called batiste)was said and a site that sold it for roughly $25 a = yard was found. De -----Original Message----- The discussion I remember began when Julian Wilson (Hi, Julian!) = mentioned that he had bought some batiste to make banners with from a = local supplier on (Old) Jersey. Lots of us got very excited. Upon = investigation, however, it turned out to be cotton rather than linen, = IIRC. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 19 18:02:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JM252B012750 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:02:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6JM23a4030405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:02:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6JM1JcW038392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JM1E0g095103; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6JM18SZ094938 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDK9Z2VA6EVPX2 for (sender ); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7l+V8O8+G/eJuV1g/Gz49Ad8/Z3d0xqNOg== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MS2WY6YP; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:00:19 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:59:24 -0500 Message-ID: <20070719.165925.2332.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,11-12,15-18,20-21 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1696802265 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Questions: Tibetan Panel Coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 846528f1-3b1a-4eb3-9ffb-1be2e5cd9ead X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 469FDF5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Since I remember that you're rather shortwaisted, I'd adjust to > shorten the pattern at the waist & hip. Bring the indicated W & H > marks up to match yours. You may also need to make adjustment at > the > neck, bustline & across the shoulder since IIRC you're bustier than > the typical B or C cup Folkwear designs for. No waist/hip marks on my patterns -- either I got a misprinted copy or Folkwear is aiming this pattern at the more experienced sewers. I see mockups in my future. Fortunately I got two large boxes of mockup fabric for my birthday. I have an occasionally-updated LiveJournal. As I work out the alterations (I also have to upsize this pattern), would it be useful to anyone if I put the alteration notes up there? > Have fun at GenCon, I'm missing this year. So am I -- I can only afford (in money and vacation time) one big trip per year, and Costume Con was in driving range. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 19 22:51:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6K2pXHU021963 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:51:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6K2pV5S005634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6K2oqDS085644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6K2omSC042728; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6K2ojgK042679 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200707200250.l6K2ojgK042679@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 31680 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2007 19:50:44 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31493, pid: 31674, t: 1.6619s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m:43 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 19 Jul 2007 19:50:42 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:48:31 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Special Festival at The Textile Museum Next Week! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a79377e-205a-45cd-baeb-338c67c1a8cd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A02333.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just received this announcement and thought that other members of h-costume who live in the Washington D.C. area might be interested. It's on the wrong coast for me. :'( Joan in Sacramento, CA Spinner and weaver who loves such events as this one >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:16:20 +0000 (GMT) >From: The Textile Museum >Reply-To: "The Textile Museum" >To: joanmj@surewest.net > > >Special Festival at The Textile Museum Next Week! > >Woven Dreams: Textiles and Music from Malaysian Borneo >Wednesday, July 25 > >Join us on Wednesday, July 25 for a daylong celebration of Malaysian culture. > >Free, drop-in daytime events: > From 11 am to 1:30 pm and again from 3:30 to 5 pm, watch Iban > master weaver Nancy Ngali create a pua kumba cloth on a floor loom. > This traditional ceremonial cloth is known as a "woven dream" > because it is believed that the weaving goddess Kumang gives the > design and pattern to the weaver through dreams. From 12 to 4 pm, > visitors can create a palm frond grasshopper with artist Michael Lim. > >Evening lecture and performance (advance registration required): >At 6:30 pm, scholar and author Edric Ong will speak on the topic: >"Sustaining the Arts and Crafts of Traditional Cultures in the >Modern World." A performance of traditional Bornean music and dance >follows the talk. > >Fee for the evening lecture and performance: $5/members; >$8/non-members. Advance registration is required. Call (202) >667-0441, ext. 64 or >click >here for a registration form. > >Don't miss this unique opportunity to see traditional weaving >firsthand and learn more about Malaysian culture! > >Images courtesy of Edric Ong. > > >[] > > > >[] > > > > > >The >Textile Museum is located at 2320 S Street, NW, Washington, D.C. >Metro: Dupont Circle, Q Street exit. > >Hours are Monday through Saturday 10 am to 5 pm and Sunday 1 to 5 >pm. Admission is free with a suggested donation of $5 for >non-members. For more information, call (202) 667-0441 or >visit >The TM Web site. > > >You are subscribed as joanmj@surewest.net. To unsubscribe please >click >here. > >[] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 11:22:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KFMtLT021780 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:22:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KFMsBn015592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:22:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KFKpbb034973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KFKPKE051724; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KFKKS7051560 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:20:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070720152014.GKVW3791.fep33.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:20:14 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.211]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070720152014.DFAF13901.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:20:14 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01c7cae1$7bd4bb60$d343a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <103649.68478.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:20:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.67.211] at Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:20:12 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a58b5c60-b1ff-48d5-b803-c29499d25824 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A0D34E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have also a supplier of very fine batiste linnen. My one is 100 % linnen. But its very expensive, no bargains here, you have to pay for it! I have 3 meters waiting for a new shirt with cotton lace trimmings. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Hi De, That *might* be the cambric I found. It's at least as light as batiste, if not moreso. I can only get it wholesale and have to buy in bulk. In North America, I get it from Ulster Linen. I believe they also have a parent company somewhere in the UK. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art. -Leonardo da Vinci Once upon a time there was a discussion on batiste weight linen and a source was posted. I thought I saved the URL but I can't find it in my link files. Could someone with the link please post it and post (if you remember) the name of that type of linen as I know it isn't batiste. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 12:01:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KG1nqY023146 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:01:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KG1lYA015440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:01:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KG0Sfk042329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KG0MNt093980; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:00:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KG07l0093655 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 400432E8414 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:50:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id CA3922E81EE for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:50:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10390 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:59:53 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:56:51 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New Simplicity patterns Thread-Index: AcfFoW0uvcA+ReJtQsm6gWWRNLPEOQFRCGjg References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07294fe0-bae5-4328-b63d-9bcc77385dde X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A0DC6C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com One looks like a reissue of the "Scotch/Irish lass pattern of a few years' ago. It is #3623 The others are by Deborah Woodbridge and are full-rig Marie Antoinette mode. The underpinnings : stays, pannier/petticoat and pockets looks pretty good. The gown pattern isn't bad, but the wig is full-on Victorian-Edwardian through '20's snow-white costume wig. The numbers are #3635 and #3637 Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Cindy Abel =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 12:06:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KG6a44023275 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:06:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KG6Znp032712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:06:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KG3VAh042840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KG3Unb097280; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6KG3Jxs096933 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDLBZC5AWJ86BJ for (sender ); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:01:31 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgv0Pazru4Okz863v9UPs6EA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MS4UTQED; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:00:52 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:59:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Message-ID: <20070720.090043.3776.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-8,10-75 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 28:14:2550388214 X-MAIL-INFO: 1e6df47df48441c5849de47d64e4a9b5248965b089702410f43d2414d1a01dd0d559c584fdf9a5d464140569490c4921b18121b11140b111c5059d10ad45906010d9c9b490e9d931bda0d91575e069706904001161b16940 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4a99915-f222-4390-aa45-7e9b83097723 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A0DD8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ooo yum! :-D Who? Thanks! Your note re: splitting the silk thread was very interesting and a definate keeper! Arlys On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:20:17 +0200 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > I have also a supplier of very fine batiste linnen. My one is 100 % > linnen. > But its very expensive, no bargains here, you have to pay for it! > I have 3 meters waiting for a new shirt with cotton lace trimmings. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Page" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:06 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen > > > Hi De, > > That *might* be the cambric I found. It's at least as light as > batiste, if > not moreso. I can only get it wholesale and have to buy in bulk. In > North > America, I get it from Ulster Linen. I believe they also have a > parent > company somewhere in the UK. > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with > a rose > Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. > It’s never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. > Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art. > -Leonardo da Vinci > Once upon a time there was a discussion on batiste weight linen and > a source > was posted. I thought I saved the URL but I can't find it in my link > files. > Could someone with the link please post it and post (if you > remember) the > name of that type of linen as I know it isn't batiste. > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. 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Mail at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 12:27:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KGRohh023958 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:27:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KGRmGS006319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:27:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KGQc71046662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KGQWtZ021146; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KGQN9X020896 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:26:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EC8DA58E for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:26:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46A0E23A.8060201@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:26:34 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a64ee5e8-760c-4e3f-b160-615582b688d9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A0E284.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 13:15:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KHFGaP025574 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:15:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KHFFFp028541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:15:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KHE5ft055464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:14:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KHDu58070480; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KHDpAL070278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:13:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IBw2z-0005r0-2A; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:13:45 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:13:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20070720131345.8cnpuzmz80cg4cg8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:13:45 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46A0E23A.8060201@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <46A0E23A.8060201@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86f25c47-0142-4239-919f-1c5e6694c9fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A0EDA3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Was this book out yet? noooooooooo. harrumph! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 13:46:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KHkHBr026758 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:46:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KHkFhE022456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:46:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KHjdFs061911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:45:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KHjZ19003091; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KHjWZu002940 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A72ADA5CB for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:45:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46A0F4CE.2020504@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:45:50 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46A0E23A.8060201@reddawn.net> <20070720131345.8cnpuzmz80cg4cg8@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20070720131345.8cnpuzmz80cg4cg8@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3eaef259-c59a-4802-b6e2-a5763a507439 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A0F4E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: >> >> They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. >> > > Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for $0.99 > ... Was this book out yet? noooooooooo. harrumph! > I hate it when that happens. Worse, when the book is out, but the local store doesn't have the patterns yet. That's really frustrating. Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more because of that. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 14:35:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIZ0Ub028216 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:35:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KIYxsU013551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:35:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KIYBZn073653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIXxet052547; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIXuiT052494 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:33:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so743595ugc for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:33:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=DsarMfhJdNuGXLMNT3EpDnBwOTZ5h8mqoT+sKApsSqetoidg4F5wQFVtrRmUCwLO6to4d1j/hFcRYeHlw2Swq9yfwhximHWHQ/N5I9RyvF9vS1/T4noY/WUSY+Dnd4xISDkLxmeVFj7ctJ3zr6+w+yyFoaiD6Fa71+P3re6zrfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Hd4SwqbX2BnwyL5Pn5J0FFj8kW15zpxCqrcW6p9YxDLzgoxItysQZI8rgmcyeJJaznwOZwYEQqH148+mquYOkC6qMvcgnGFDPYOEfEuvWVbpJLrUuub9yxsUO4JeCOxGpMrxGjos2M8v7z13Kcxcxdj70z5VNwf/eKGS/pndApo= Received: by 10.82.189.6 with SMTP id m6mr843096buf.1184956435071; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.191.20 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:33:55 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Simplicity patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2aa967f3-6e5b-4538-8837-5974433446c9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A10053.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO LOL! They not only are the exact same pattern... just a different envelope... you can still get the original by clicking the "Out of Print" link and choosing "Historical" as your category. *g* It's #8855... I do rather like the Marie Antoinette sacque back though. Movie costumes can be fun... Amused, Meli Cynthia wrote: ------------------------------ > > Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and > you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com > > One looks like a reissue of the "Scotch/Irish lass pattern of a few > years' ago. It is #3623 > > The others are by Deborah Woodbridge and are full-rig Marie Antoinette > mode. The underpinnings : stays, pannier/petticoat and pockets looks > pretty good. The gown pattern isn't bad, but the wig is full-on > Victorian-Edwardian through '20's snow-white costume wig. The numbers > are #3635 and #3637 > > Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! > > Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 14:45:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIjNEx028512 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:45:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KIjLCc024029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:45:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KIg2K2075185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIg0bK060812; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KIfugs060660 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070720184147.KUHL3791.fep33.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:41:47 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.223]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070720184147.DGAW9217.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:41:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c7cafd$a33e3c50$dfe73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:41:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.223] at Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:41:44 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b831e06-58e4-4bfc-ad15-d8487d4514ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A102C1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Cynthia, That was a nice surprice. Very well done. The collour could be changed to more historical accurate, but not bad at all............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com One looks like a reissue of the "Scotch/Irish lass pattern of a few years' ago. It is #3623 The others are by Deborah Woodbridge and are full-rig Marie Antoinette mode. The underpinnings : stays, pannier/petticoat and pockets looks pretty good. The gown pattern isn't bad, but the wig is full-on Victorian-Edwardian through '20's snow-white costume wig. The numbers are #3635 and #3637 Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 16:00:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KK0MX3030895 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:00:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KK0LbM003268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:00:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KJwL0a088275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KJwFpB039110; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KJwBdU038938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IByc2-0002zQ-Oe; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:58:06 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:58:06 -0400 Message-ID: <20070720155806.4r68350m44ggc084@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:58:06 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46A0E23A.8060201@reddawn.net> <20070720131345.8cnpuzmz80cg4cg8@www.goldsword.com> <46A0F4CE.2020504@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <46A0F4CE.2020504@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea315b12-cc80-494b-9915-33b4dc7bff3d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A11455.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Dawn : > Susan B. Farmer wrote: > >>> >>> They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. >>> >> >> Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for =20 >> $0.99 ... Was this book out yet? noooooooooo. harrumph! >> > > I hate it when that happens. Worse, when the book is out, but the local > store doesn't have the patterns yet. That's really frustrating. I had to pick up a prescription at WalMart today -- and they don't =20 have the new book. > > Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to > tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see > marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for > full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing > information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more > because of that. > This was my first HL pattern buying experience ($0.99 and no limit -- =20 WooHoo!) but she didn't tear the flaps off on the patterns that I =20 bought. I'll keep that in mind next time I go there. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 16:10:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKArjg031181 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:10:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KKAqkU013002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KKAK0s090537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKAGNs052251; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:10:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKA9iM052074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6KKBwqe005382 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:11:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46A1169F.10100@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:10:07 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns/Hobby Lobby References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46A0E23A.8060201@reddawn.net> <20070720131345.8cnpuzmz80cg4cg8@www.goldsword.com> <46A0F4CE.2020504@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <46A0F4CE.2020504@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fd77f9b-8cc2-45da-91c5-6b6d14db0ad8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A116CC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I hope it's not why some shady place rip the covers off of remaindered paperback books! cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 16:33:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKXVie031951 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:33:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KKXUvV011187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:33:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KKS5Oi093373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKS0Es070368; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53508.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53508.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6KKRtnt070208 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckenet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48140 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2007 20:27:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kAJ94my42Ajx1gYWoTHNwBML7riWWmQhPWxknNYrjCjSxh2Y0Rlbk4hXg05VoHHr0A0zi30qGFZS7UeWRhvMRQBY5OcjjLvTpLKjHfHKmwOp7bRJUuvw6h7JB1ltB0rlpIXdjMRqiAaZr/AD7zm9CHCihms40yXTkNcNISaYPE8=; X-YMail-OSG: hVt6sOIVM1kU6yHWFk14oyn2f6_HMuDkb4ZwYrNT3HmnsWLFSKiLR3Gkzp2anLa5WA-- Received: from [68.17.244.214] by web53508.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:27:50 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenet Muir Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns/Hobby Lobby To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46A1169F.10100@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <402059.47851.qm@web53508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ceb48e5-d5a2-489f-91f1-9f64a24354ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A11C1A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I refuse to buy patterns at > Hobby Lobby any more > > because of that. > Any idea why they do this? I hope it's not why some > shady place rip the > covers off of remaindered paperback books! > > cv > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 16:37:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKbp2B032071 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:37:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KKboUd012821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:37:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KKbDhc094744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKb7Rg079861; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKb2to079653 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54835DA5E1 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:36:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46A11D01.8000105@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:37:21 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns/Hobby Lobby References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46A0E23A.8060201@reddawn.net> <20070720131345.8cnpuzmz80cg4cg8@www.goldsword.com> <46A0F4CE.2020504@reddawn.net> <46A1169F.10100@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <46A1169F.10100@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea31a5cd-314b-4c95-92b7-81ac256c2c4c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A11D1E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Dawn wrote: >> >> Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to >> tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see >> marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for >> full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing >> information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more >> because of that. > Any idea why they do this? I hope it's not why some shady place rip the > covers off of remaindered paperback books! They tear the flap off (when you buy it) so they can tell it was bought at 99 cents, and so it can't be returned without the receipt for the $16.95 retail price in cash or store credit. All the H-L stores here in KC do that to me. Other fabric stores either have a stamp that says "sale", or they write "sale" on the front of the envelope, which doesn't bother me as much. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 16:38:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKcHxb032084 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:38:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KKcFc8022628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:38:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KKbbDj094825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKbZev080352; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6KKbOKh080024 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 68414 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2007 20:37:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=1u76Bom+6i8+O4Y5f73WW5Fp4TacyfU2cvtfs2wFMuLSbztmjgXBxOONLil+IcMNLPSbs/b4+f4WLVCb4HWwpRRv+wdvh6UXg4IkSQLH28ubrnTQQ463DKn+CESjfja8lUquiYNV7UmLdKVTgvvAtnjHsmcntEyG3Ismf3/KKMo=; X-YMail-OSG: RzmYUzcVM1lGuS6vPyb3rZJ4wzioLnQlpOOt7a0Ap6mn0TdihKtW9sbDO63AZa2uUvevaMPrDdKdbZrqTm3Zza41U77kGPZvi4QCdq8BGnV4JDxLs9SeKw-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:37:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <245564.67294.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3cba9ba7-344e-44b0-a8c5-af9f8be3288b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A11D38.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ohhh... are you talking about the bishop's lawm or lawn? That's similar to = batiste. Lawm, cambric, voile, nainsook, organdy and batiste are all *gener= ally* in the same category. Some apply more often to cottons, others to lin= ens, sometimes both. The industry is quite fickle in that regard. I did fin= d a useful set of definitions, though:=0Ahttp://www.ntgclarity.com/ICCF&D/c= otton.htm=0ABatiste=0A=0AFibre: Cotton, also rayon and wool.=0A=0AWeave: Pl= ain=0A=0ACharacteristics: Named after Jean Baptiste, a French linen weaver.= Light weight,=0Asoft, semi-sheer fabric which resembles nainsook, but fine= r. It belongs to the =0Alawn family; almost transparent. It is made of ti= ghtly twisted, combed yarns and =0Amercerized finish. Sometimes it is print= ed or embroidered. In a heavier weight, it =0Ais used for foundation garme= nts and linings in a plain, figured, striped, or flowered=0Adesign. Consid= ered similar to nainsook but finer and lighter in weight. Now =0Ausually m= ade of 100% polyester distinguished by slubs in filling direction.=0ACambri= c=0A=0AFibre: Cotton, also linen.=0A=0AWeave: Plain=0A=0ACharacteristics: S= oft, closely woven, light. Either bleached or piece dyed. Highly=0Amercer= ized, lint free. Calendered on the right side with a slight gloss. Lower= =0Aqualities have a smooth bright finish. Similar to batiste but is stiffe= r and fewer slubs.=0ALaunders very well. Has good body, sews and finishes = well. Originally made in Cambria, France=0Aof linen and used for Church em= broidery and table linens.=0A =0AUses: Handkerchiefs, underwear, slips, nig= htgowns, children's dresses, aprons, shirts=0Aand blouses.=0ALawn=0A=0AFibr= e: Cotton=0A=0AWeave: Plain=0A=0ACharacteristics: Word derived from Laon, a= city in France, where linen lawn was =0Amanufactured extensively. Light w= eight, sheer, soft, washable. It is crispier than =0Avoile but not as cris= p as organdy. Made with fine high count yarns, silky feel. =0AMade with e= ither carded or combed yarns. Comes in white or may be dyed or printed. W= hen =0Amade with combed yarns with a soft feel and slight lustre it is call= ed nainsook.=0A=0AUses: Underwear, dresses, blouses, night wear, curtains, = lingerie, collars, cuffs,=0Ainfant wear, shirtings, handkerchiefs.=0ANainso= ok=0A=0AFibre: Cotton=0A=0AWeave: Plain=0A=0ACharacteristics: Produced in t= he finishing processes from the same gray goods as used=0Afor batiste, camb= ric, lawn. Fine and lightweight. Soft and has a slight lustre in=0Athe bet= ter qualities (mercerization). Slightly heavier than batiste. Like lawn=0A= but not as crisp. Soft, lacks body. Usually found in white but also comes= in pastel =0Acolours and some printed.=0A=0AUses: tucked or embroidered, b= louses, night wear, lingerie, and infant's wear.=0AOrgandy=0A=0AFibre: Cott= on.=0A=0AWeave: Plain. Some has lappet, swivel, or flocked designs.=0A=0ACh= aracteristics: Made with tightly twisted yarns. Crispness is due to a fini= sh=0Awith starch and calendaring which washes out, or a permanent crispness= obtained=0Awith chemicals (Heberlein process). Wrinkles badly unless give= n a wrinkle-free finish (bellmanizing). =0AMay be bleached, dyed, printed, = frosted, flocked, embroidered, or plisse.=0A=0AUses: Fussy children's wear,= trims, collars and cuffs, baby's wear, bonnets, artificial=0Aflowers, doll= s clothes, millinery, summer formals, blouses, curtains, bedspreads, aprons= .=0AVoile=0A=0A=0AFibre: Cotton - also wool and called "Voile de laine".=0A= =0A=0AWeave: Plain, loosely woven.=0A=0A=0ACharacteristics: Sheer and very = light weight. Usually made with cylindrical combed=0Ayarns. To obtain a top= quality fabric, very highly twisted yarns are used. Voile drapes =0Aand g= athers very well. The clear surface is obtained by singeing away any fuzzy= yarns.=0AHas a hard finish and crisp, sometimes wiry hand. "Voile de Lain= e" is wool voile. =0A=0A=0AUses: Dresses, blouses, curtains.=0A=0AIt was me= whom checked out Julian's supplier in Jersey. It was indeed cotton, unfort= unately. $25/yard doesn't sound too insane for good quality lightweight lin= en. I sell my period-width, better cambric for $14/yard (Czech origin), and= the wider, very high quality for $36 (Belgian origin) Canadian dollars. As= for the link you were looking for in the first place, I can't recall offha= nd where it could have been. Search the above terms and see what you wind u= p with. Typically, you'll find them at heirloom sewing shops, which tend to= price gouge a little, if you ask me. Hope this helps.=0A=0AKathy=0A =0AErm= ine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or= barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert=0A(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed = vert a lions head erased gules. =0AIt=92s never too late to be who you migh= t have been.=0A-George Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is = the beginning of knowledge. =0AWhere the spirit does not work with the hand= , there is no art.=0A-Leonardo da Vinci=0A=0A=0Abut there was further discu= ssion and a name of the sheer linen (it was not called batiste)was said and= a site that sold it for roughly $25 a yard was found.=0A=0ADe=0A=0A-----Or= iginal Message-----=0AThe discussion I remember began when Julian Wilson (H= i, Julian!) mentioned that he had bought some batiste to make banners with = from a local supplier on (Old) Jersey. Lots of us got very excited. Upon in= vestigation, however, it turned out to be cotton rather than linen, IIRC.= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Ask a question on any topic and get ans= wers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http= ://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 16:39:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKdCeG032120 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:39:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KKd1x6013592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:39:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KKcV4l095055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKcTUl081414; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKcOpB081255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IBzEw-0002Jw-U5; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:38:18 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:38:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20070720163818.eoofg28ugce84s0s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:38:18 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Does anybody know anything about this book? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200129359893 Thanks! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 16:58:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKwBws032735 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:58:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KKwAJ0026430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:58:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KKpN4b096823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKpMn2094219; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KKpIVO094155 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:51:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B2863F664 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:51:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:51:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000d01c7cafd$a33e3c50$dfe73f50@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a058e760-40b9-46aa-b5ca-236272005bc8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A121E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 17:00:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KL0dXD000341 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:00:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KL0ckd027585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:00:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KL08mn098209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:00:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KL05of002830; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KL00I4002745 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 48CA83F5F9 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:00:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:00:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002f01c7cae1$7bd4bb60$d343a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27a62e88-8fb6-456a-8a16-8575b7c87c68 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A12276.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 17:20:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLK67o000864 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:20:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KLK4fP028704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:20:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KLImWk001151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLIkhK020294; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLIgP7020171 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC10DA636 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:18:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46A126C5.2050404@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:19:01 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book References: <20070720163818.eoofg28ugce84s0s@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20070720163818.eoofg28ugce84s0s@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e41fc87-9ba8-4187-a639-ba547ca25b19 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A12705.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 17:26:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLQSh5001051 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:26:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KLQRk7014054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:26:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KLOLU6001965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:24:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLOKHD025337; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLOG5o025254 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070720212412.NOLW3791.fep33.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:24:12 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.227]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070720212412.DEEG1162.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:24:12 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c7cb14$53046590$e314a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:24:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.227] at Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:24:07 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c6f1e1c-8268-4bbc-968f-b374a67cef8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A12883.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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My one is 100 % > linnen. > But its very expensive, no bargains here, you have to pay for it! > I have 3 meters waiting for a new shirt with cotton lace trimmings. > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 17:31:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLVKRr001195 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:31:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KLVJgc021093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:31:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KLUn1O003042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:30:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLUjAU031213; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLUer7031099 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14727 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:34:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:34:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book In-Reply-To: <20070720163818.eoofg28ugce84s0s@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9586a4e9-b2cb-4278-952e-3f4e62e09f7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A129A7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Farmer wrote: > Does anybody know anything about this book? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200129359893 I haven't seen that one, but the seller has a good selection of interesting costume/needlework/quilting books, and promises more coming. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 17:40:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLeUfF001462 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:40:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KLeTCF022091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:40:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KLdQfe004751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:39:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLdK6O039751; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLdG1s039574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IC0Bs-0002oh-Hd; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:39:12 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20070720173912.x60dzda3rbj4gsw4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:39:12 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Thanks susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 18:29:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KMTsN9003116 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:29:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KMTrFa028488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:29:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KLRvxI002573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLRvuc028505; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KLRq1E028375 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070720212746.JTPG5841.fep34.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:27:46 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.227]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070720212746.DEEW1162.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:27:46 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c7cb14$d48bbaa0$e314a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:27:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.227] at Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:27:44 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 102c4ffb-8f34-49eb-b1b9-8f7654e97b3f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A13761.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Sorry for the confusing. I was talking about the Marie Antoinette dress, the francaise pleated back one..... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns > The blue dress color comes close to the blue dress found on a Dutch(?) > painting of a woman. Her husband's portrait with him in a smoking > jacket(?) > was the same shade of blue. I posted both to this site. I don't have the > url > saved. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Dear Cynthia, > That was a nice surprice. Very well done. The collour could be changed to > more historical accurate, but not bad at all............. > > Bjarne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 20 18:53:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KMrs3U003900 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:53:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6KMrrZT006644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:53:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6KMqlHM017078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KMqgpd008840; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KMqbae008701 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d54.e0c1b7e (14502) for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:52:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:52:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns/Hobby Lobby To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d88b99de-14ca-477b-a68e-48c652fed72c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A13D01.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/20/2007 4:37:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: They tear the flap off (when you buy it) so they can tell it was bought at 99 cents, and so it can't be returned without the receipt for the $16.95 retail price in cash or store credit. All the H-L stores here in KC do that to me. Other fabric stores either have a stamp that says "sale", or they write "sale" on the front of the envelope, which doesn't bother me as much. Well, actually, from someone who worked in fabric/pattern retail for a LONG time, we tear the flaps off to make sure the patterns get re-ordered--we are supposed to keep a certain stock on hand at all times. We also do a periodic (I think it was quarterly) inventory to check that we have what we are supposed to and make sure pulled patterns get culled. Some stores seem to carry that further and tear off more than just the tab, which used to be perforated, or even part of the front of the envelope. When I worked at Hancock, we double-stamped the front of the cheapie sale patterns so we could tell them apart. When patterns are pulled, only the envelopes are returned--the tissue is discarded--we can only hope it is re-cycled these days! And yes, in the old da ys, some stores did sell just the tissues (or let employees take them home, which I gues is just as dishonest). But as to the pattern under discussion--it looks pretty Ehhhh to me--good costume, maybe, but not reenactor-quality. And the wig, as someone commented, is truly awful! I was reminded of Moira Shearer's "Marie Antoinette" (as reported in Edward Maeder's "Hollywood and History"). Ann Wass Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 03:22:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6L7MN39018079 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:22:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6L7ML4h021231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6L7LufQ098501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:21:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6L7Lob0021106; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6L7Lkxb020971 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18725 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2007 07:21:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ORMX/CQjAa9lQ3yH8eaLBDZaAKMHxPIFLmVDKbOHbCZ9ZzRR43fltoIQHt3+BaNMPUSZpukq46rhTcdp9S0ncIiNcIzTJVfyU2B3wWoYaaDZyPLCkwQ8nfd5IkagRO06v+zrxtt/eyMXMVSO/ixvW7chf8zK/1iEZ8xG7u3e3Mw=; X-YMail-OSG: SE1arMgVM1kDciHFuRlFb2dEWtABIYLyD6MohFiyjcMRpYNnbkoj6UISBvrum7cMevxxCYNUYID_bT6UELuUy_9jkUzEzrG0eYYELwkoq3Y_mPdAMhoinxiBFkHR9A-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:21:40 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001a01c7cb14$d48bbaa0$e314a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4154.17533.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c463cce9-0027-4461-8fb5-91e8fe11ed83 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A1B42D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quite a nice surprise for me, too! I think the undergarments pattern could really be of use, I wish it had only come earlier, now that I've finally figured out how to make the pannier pattern... The blue dress is not bad at all, well, the wig and the yellow ribbons are a bit disturbing, but I think this might be one of the most accurate 18th century patterns from Simplicity... --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 05:10:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6L9A2Ts000883 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:10:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6L9A0CE031191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:10:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6L98WDH011007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6L98TlD077451; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6L98P5w077411 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AECC73F2E9 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:08:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20070720131345.8cnpuzmz80cg4cg8@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8701d040-f509-4498-94e1-533efd8f18ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A1CD68.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have come to find that JA and HL, most times have their sales at about the time the new book is about to come out so that they can make room for the new patterns. It's quite annoying. I was hoping to get Simplicity 3677 for a Con in two weeks but my local JA had not got it yet and if they had it, would not have put it out while the 1.99 sale was going on for Simplicity patterns. :P De -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:14 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Quoting Dawn : > Abel, Cynthia wrote: >> Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and >> you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com >> > ..... >> >> Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! > > > Oooh! Lots of fun new costumes this month. > > They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. > Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for $0.99 ... Was this book out yet? noooooooooo. harrumph! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 05:16:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6L9Gt8L001707 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:16:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6L9Gsw8001216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6L9FNAc012817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6L9FMJo081123; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:15:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3a.socket.net [216.106.88.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6L9FHVA081073 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 204253F5E7 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:15:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:15:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000801c7cb14$53046590$e314a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6736697-0ebd-4b1d-ac02-63856d199a7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A1CF06.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hmmm..I remember that at the end of the past discuss someone produced a website so perhaps this woman is not the one I was thinking of. Please hold off on the email address. I guess what I am going to have to do is do a major search through the archives and see if I can find the retailer. If that fails then I will be asking for the woman's email address. Thank you, greatly appreciated, De -----Original Message----- She is not online, but i have her email address. Ill find it for you tomorrow. She is located in Denmark. She had a wonderfull embroidery shop in Copenhagen, but it closed down, she told me she still can get the linnen for me, i baught from her before christmass. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- >I believe your suppier is who I am thinking of. May I have their name and > are they on line? > > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 08:15:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LCFfrc002220 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:15:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LCFePw015478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LCEA04038915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LCE5re096514; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:14:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6KN82h6020496 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bee.192a9b45 (58808) for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:07:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 49671b04-d6fe-4702-899e-33dad055022e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A1F8EC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/20/2007 2:42:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: The collour could be changed to more historical accurate, but not bad at all............. **************** That's what I was thinking. It's the fabric choice, and the way the decoration is done that is the "bad" thing....and the wig! But one could get a very impressive dress outta these patterns. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 12:01:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LG1FTl009777 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:01:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LG0Eoq021594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:00:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LFvC1F083601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LFv8T6054464; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LFv5Zm054360 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.14]) by bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:57:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:57:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:56:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c7cb14$d48bbaa0$e314a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:54:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:54:55 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2007 15:57:00.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5D51560:01C7CBAF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A22D8E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Curious about the back of the corset - Is that inverted V at the small = of the back correct? http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3D3635 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 12:14:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGEuO2010559 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:14:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LGDsUl018536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:13:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LGC54A086313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGC4Uc065088; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGC0Vo065004 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:12:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.19]) by bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:11:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:11:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:11:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:09:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:09:53 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2007 16:11:55.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB506F00:01C7CBB1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A230C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You may be thinking of The Linen House. = http://thelinenhouse.com/ I have their = complete sample collection. Their Napoli, Voile De Lin, Lille, Roma & Veneszia would all work for = under clothing. I'd say the Napoli is the softest and finest, but I bet if you wrote and = asked them they would help. I'll be there in September! Weeee! I wonder if they'd mind if I wrapped = myself up in a few yards just to get a rush!=20 Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: otsisto=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:15 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Hmmm..I remember that at the end of the past discuss someone produced = a website so perhaps this woman is not the one I was thinking of. Please = hold off on the email address. I guess what I am going to have to do is do = a major search through the archives and see if I can find the retailer. = If that fails then I will be asking for the woman's email address. Thank you, greatly appreciated, De -----Original Message----- She is not online, but i have her email address. Ill find it for you tomorrow. She is located in Denmark. She had a wonderfull embroidery = shop in Copenhagen, but it closed down, she told me she still can get the = linnen for me, i baught from her before christmass. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- >I believe your suppier is who I am thinking of. May I have their name = and > are they on line? > > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 12:22:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGMalb010865 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:22:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LGMZG9022662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:22:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LGLVZ1087748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGLTYi071749; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGL2S9071441 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 9092583-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.71.47 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=5wFRqOgBAAAA:8 a=_1vr1ZiI4Jo07pNab1cA:9 a=XpjCeb5Phtf19eeT8wMA:7 a=nA5bmnkojbMjbZgTD6OuAv-BwYUA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,566,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="9092583" Received: from 79-72-71-47.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.71.47]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2007 17:04:13 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070721171901.03dd8ce0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:20:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c7cb14$d48bbaa0$e314a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A232CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 12:46:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGkaFi011707 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:46:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LGjQ7l002850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LGhnQb090999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:43:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGhltb087015; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:43:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGhhY3086912 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070721164339.TRNP9298.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:43:39 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id SGje1X0063Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:43:38 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: <009a01c7cbb6$496ff970$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A23826.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was recently given several large bags of vintage fabrics, all of it either linen or silk. There are several very large pieces of very tightly woven linen as well as similar large pieces of very tightly woven silk. (probably 6 to 8 yard pieces) All are natural ecru color. The problem is they have gotten brown "age spots". I know I can probably dye a darkish color to hide them, but I'm wondering if there is any way to remove the spots totally. The silk and the linen are both in excellent condition otherwise, with no weakening at all that I can tell. A couple of the pieces have been washed and dryed, and this didn't seem to really hurt them at all, only tightened them up a bit. I'm also wondering what to do with this, if it can be used. The silk has a very stiff hand but very few slubs. It rather handles like a heavy dupioni, but without the slubby texture. It is not shiny or lustery either. It just seems strong and durable, not glitzy and glamorous. As for the background story, this was part of a "Life Collection" of an 80-something woman who lives where I work. She's widowed and childless, and has decided it's time to clear up some things while she's still able. I was told the linen came from Panama in the 1950's (so it may not be true linen but some other natural fiber) I was also given a bag of patterns from the 40's, which are great fun. She was a tall, large-boned woman so her patterns won't take too much to size up to fit me, as well as the styles being suitable for me. (Yeah, it was Christmas in June for me~!) So my questions are: How do I get brown spots out, and what can I use this unusual fabric for? Thanks for any and all help and suggestions! Linda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 14:06:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LI6eem014136 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:06:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LI5dbT029410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:05:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LI44h4004234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LI41rd049811; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LI3uhT049766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.3] (dial-209-148-114-3.sonic.net [209.148.114.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6LI3t5P002217 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:03:56 -0700 Message-ID: <46A24A8E.5070403@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:03:58 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics References: <009a01c7cbb6$496ff970$6401a8c0@VMAA1> In-Reply-To: <009a01c7cbb6$496ff970$6401a8c0@VMAA1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A24AF3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO All are natural ecru color. > The problem is they have gotten brown "age spots". Since I assume these are unused fabrics, and therefore don't have beverage spills or the like, what you are seeing is probably some form of mold. I know I can probably > dye a darkish color to hide them, but I'm wondering if there is any way > to remove the spots totally. Bleach may kill the mold, though that does not necessarily remove the stain the mold creates. Look up remedies for removing mildew. Mildew is little black specks, which can cluster together into a solid mass. Fabric can mold in other ways, but the methods for removing different molds are alike. There's a reddish-brown mold stain that I remove from antique white clothing with oxygen bleach. Luckily, I have not had to deal with it on colored clothing. (It helps me not to buy clothing with such stains to begin with.) The most effective way to cover the stains is probably to dye the fabrics. If stains are not widespread on a fabric, perhaps you could cut around them when cutting out. Note that mold spores get around; meaning that if you put these fabrics next to other fabrics or clothing, and the mold has not been killed, then your other fabrics and clothing may eventually acquire brown spots. Especially if they, or your general climate, is damp. It's true that mold spores are always floating around in the air, but you do significantly increase your chances of getting mold on a fabric by storing it right next to one that already has mold. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 14:46:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LIkirK015252 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:46:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LIjj6I014400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:45:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LIjJFJ009581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LIjHNE081015; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LIjEN6080874 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070721184509.TTAM9166.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:45:09 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id SJl81X00R3Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:45:09 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:45:08 -0400 Message-ID: <009b01c7cbc7$42fd1080$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46A24A8E.5070403@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A25459.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, Fran, for your very helpful hints~! I hadn't thought this might be mold... hmmm... Yes, I live in the mid-Atlantic on the beach, and we have a considerable humidity issue year-round. Especially since the woman lives in a condo right on the beach. And yes, these are definitely brown, not black, stains, and the fabric was never used, only folded and stored for decades. How she stored it, I have no idea but I could ask next week. Could have been a nice trunk or chest, or it could have been a cardboard box at the bottom of the closet. I just don't know. I've no problem with oxy-bleaching the linens, but what about the silk? I know bleach will melt silk, is oxybleach the same threat? Since it isn't a high-shine silk to begin with it might be ok. Cutting around the brown stains isn't really an option. I'll try the Oxyclean and see how it comes out. Next step would be dyeing, but I worry about getting an even job. I guess if all else fails I could get "artistic" with it. ;D Linda -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Lavolta Press > The problem is they have gotten brown "age spots". Since I assume these are unused fabrics, and therefore don't have beverage spills or the like, what you are seeing is probably some form of mold. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 14:47:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LIls9H015279 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:47:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LIkrf6015048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:46:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LIkWJi009711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:46:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LIkWdq082052; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:46:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LIkTvB081958 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from contact@nicecollection.fr) Received: from [82.238.188.35] (helo=[82.238.188.35]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1ICJy037Wj-0004de; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:46:23 +0200 Message-ID: <46A2547E.401@nicecollection.fr> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:46:22 +0200 From: NiceCollection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com References: <45F0900F.9090604@free.fr> <4686C5CB.7010202@free.fr> <4686C654.50402@free.fr> <46880F75.2070401@nicecollection.fr> In-Reply-To: <46880F75.2070401@nicecollection.fr> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19lwDFZ0wDZgQxzTTT2S+qEEJHGf92iRWufvOJ U304c/9uHDPyFWQjgP6VsMgIGrRxnSoqMN9sE6kOt2wemwnUbU GuZxpFvIb241W7Lt0G6Ob7yKn1Tm8cgTRyl5iEuKYU= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Question about wool for the WW1 french uniforms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A2549D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I am looking for fabric wool to make french uniforms of the WW1 : - weight : around 500/750 grams / meter (16 - 26 oz) - color : horizon blue (mixture of three wools: - white wool 35%; - dark blue wool 15%; - wool light blue 50%) The blue is to reproduce French soldiers uniforms of the WW1 (1915 to 1918). http://www.nicecollection.fr/_Divers/WWI-French_Blue_Wool.jpg Somebody knows where I can buy this wool blue horizon? Best regards, Eric mail : contact@nicecollection.fr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 14:50:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LIor8r015351 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:50:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LInhXr000670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:49:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LInMc1010048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:49:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LInMS0084235; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:49:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LInHGJ084088 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070721184911.CTJS5623.fep31.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:49:11 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.205]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070721184911.DNPL12123.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:49:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c7cbc7$d565d6a0$cd14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001a01c7cb14$d48bbaa0$e314a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20070721171901.03dd8ce0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:49:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.205] at Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:49:04 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A25547.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Maybe its because the stays dont have enough tabs for the hips, so that it spreads out two much at the center back bottom. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? > At 16:54 21/07/2007, you wrote: >>Curious about the back of the corset - Is that inverted V at the small of >>the back correct? >> >>http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635 >> >>Sg > > Those underwear patterns look like they have come straight from Norah > Waugh's "Corsets and Crinolines." The corset is laced edge to edge in the > Simplicity pattern, which I prefer not to do, and I always have the back > edges level, so no, in my opinion, that inverted "V" is not correct. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 15:09:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJ9wTY015966 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:09:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LJ8v35025317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:09:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LJ8C4o012338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJ88Te097834; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJ84Vd097782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.3] (dial-209-148-114-3.sonic.net [209.148.114.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6LJ83mr018326 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:08:03 -0700 Message-ID: <46A25996.7030302@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:08:06 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics References: <009b01c7cbc7$42fd1080$6401a8c0@VMAA1> In-Reply-To: <009b01c7cbc7$42fd1080$6401a8c0@VMAA1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A259C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Linda Rice wrote: > Thanks, Fran, for your very helpful hints~! > > I hadn't thought this might be mold... hmmm... Yes, I live in the > mid-Atlantic on the beach, and we have a considerable humidity issue > year-round. Especially since the woman lives in a condo right on the > beach. And yes, these are definitely brown, not black, stains, and the > fabric was never used, only folded and stored for decades. How she > stored it, I have no idea but I could ask next week. Could have been a > nice trunk or chest, or it could have been a cardboard box at the bottom > of the closet. I just don't know. If she lives right on the beach, it doesn't matter how she stored the fabric, mold is very likely. > > I've no problem with oxy-bleaching the linens, but what about the silk? > I know bleach will melt silk, is oxybleach the same threat? I'd suggest test-bleaching a swatch. Since it > isn't a high-shine silk to begin with it might be ok. Cutting around the > brown stains isn't really an option. I'll try the Oxyclean and see how > it comes out. Next step would be dyeing, but I worry about getting an > even job. I guess if all else fails I could get "artistic" with it. ;D > In my experience if you dye a light-colored fabric that has stains which are not too dark, and your dye is a deep to dark color, dyeing will often cover the stains fine. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 15:26:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJQsiY016471 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:26:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LJQrGR027137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:26:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LJQS2v014393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJQLOf011054; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:26:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJQFuY010941 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070721192608.ERQI1482.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:26:08 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id SKS91X0033Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:26:09 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:26:08 -0400 Message-ID: <00a001c7cbcc$fd4f2d60$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46A25996.7030302@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8916cb1-bf27-47e1-ab7a-5229da851958 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A25DFD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Will do, and will let you know if I succeed. Thanks again, Linda [On Behalf Of Lavolta Press] I'd suggest test-bleaching a swatch. In my experience if you dye a light-colored fabric that has stains which are not too dark, and your dye is a deep to dark color, dyeing will often cover the stains fine. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 15:54:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJsBiP017243 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:54:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LJsAWs031802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:54:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LJrWqO017243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJrUQV029129; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LJrQhC029040 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ca3.14dbd117 (57341) for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:53:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:53:18 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 674fdc51-2d82-420d-94a0-8886fe4fd698 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A26462.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It is possible that the brown spots on the linen(?) fabric are permanent--cellulose will oxidize over time to form oxy-cellulose, and this change is non-reversible. Can you use the linen for linings and underpinnings of some sort? Good luck! Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 16:22:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LKMYPs018168 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:22:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LKMWDK025176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:22:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LKGgIu020281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LKGbeE044842; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LKGYUk044792 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1395287080 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:16:28 -0500 Message-ID: <020101c7fc8c$47a4c470$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012b01c7c4be$ae69ad20$9c00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:16:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] found fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ee71bb60-4a9a-4e41-987c-d35a76295d0a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A26B08.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thursday I went to a local second hand store to check out textile corner. The usual fare is acrylic yarn odds and ends, plastic canvas books and scraps of quilt material. (However, once I found several yards of hand-woven linen toweling from Ireland!) Well, what a FIND was waiting for me! I finally straightened it out and measured it today. SEVENTEEN (!) yards of 60 inch wide fabric. It's a beautiful shade of dark blue with maroon, light blue and gold large floral motifs. The whole piece weighs just over 11 pounds! It's about the weight of light denim -- heavier than shirt weight, lighter than jeans weight. The weave seems to be an undulating twill background with brocade sections where the flowers are. Nice and tight, no easily snagged parts. It also doesn't have that pellon-like backing that is often found on upholstery fabric. It feels like all or mostly cotton fiber content. (oh, and the total price: $20! It probably cost more per yard when it was new) I bought it with the intention of making window and bunk curtains in my vintage (1965) camper, but the more I think about it, the more I think it might be too dark for such a small space. Maybe I'll have to make a full circle floor hooded length cape and really give people a *reason* to think I'm nuts.... I have no idea what Historical purpose this fabric could be used for, but the cape might make a good entry for the Aluminum Swan competition :-) Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 17:09:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LL9277019779 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:09:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LL909N007748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LL8cFA026946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LL8ah2081031; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LL8X3R080944 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070721210828.IZDD10435.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:08:28 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id SM8T1X00e3Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:08:28 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:08:27 -0400 Message-ID: <00ab01c7cbdb$484ed230$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb0cb72a-a96f-4ffc-84c2-ef254fb39d2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A275EC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You know, this was my first impression... that the brown spots remind me of the way newspaper "burns" when it gets really old. This fabric has a "haven't seen the light of day since Kennedy was in office" smell, but not a musty or mildew smell. Now, I'm much less sure than I was this morning! As far as its use... I have no idea!!!! It's far too heavy to use for linings. Might work well for corsets if I needed a couple dozen of them. :D I'm thinking maybe do some creative dyeing and make pants and an oversize shirt outfit. As far as historical, I'd love to hear suggestions! The big pieces of silk are equally heavy, and has yellowed a lot. There are also some exquisite smaller pieces of different kinds of silks, at least one that screams "Veil! I want to be an historic veil!" every time I look at it. ;-p All of them are marked in some way, so I guess I'll be spending time soaking and watching and hoping. Or, washing, dyeing and hoping. Here's to hope... Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics It is possible that the brown spots on the linen(?) fabric are permanent--cellulose will oxidize over time to form oxy-cellulose, and this change is non-reversible. Can you use the linen for linings and underpinnings of some sort? Good luck! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 17:09:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LL9PrH019796 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:09:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LL9OPM001495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:09:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LL8x6r027012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LL8xcw081317; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LL8uWu081266 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B85435E43 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:08:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:08:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070721171901.03dd8ce0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc65c37b-b09c-49a8-9636-3a1f9bd3f5a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A27604.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Would butterick 4484 work better? -----Original Message----- At 16:54 21/07/2007, you wrote: >Curious about the back of the corset - Is that inverted V at the >small of the back correct? > >http://www.simplicity.com/designFrontBack.cfm?design=3635 > >Sg Those underwear patterns look like they have come straight from Norah Waugh's "Corsets and Crinolines." The corset is laced edge to edge in the Simplicity pattern, which I prefer not to do, and I always have the back edges level, so no, in my opinion, that inverted "V" is not correct. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 17:15:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LLF4xI019994 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:15:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LLF37p016445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:15:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LLEhQO027620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LLEgdd085199; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LLEdQu085169 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 09A2535E5C for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:14:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74cc2699-6d38-4ab7-8150-a57005e8383c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A27757.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you. The linens are still to thick. I am looking for linen that is about as sheer as the veil on this Madonna http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/lippi/p-lippi12.htm or http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/lippi/p-lippi1.htm I know that one can get silk that sheer and I know there is cotton that sheer but I am told that on can find linen that sheer. Thank you, De -----Original Message----- You may be thinking of The Linen House. http://thelinenhouse.com/ I have their complete sample collection. Their Napoli, Voile De Lin, Lille, Roma & Veneszia would all work for under clothing. I'd say the Napoli is the softest and finest, but I bet if you wrote and asked them they would help. I'll be there in September! Weeee! I wonder if they'd mind if I wrapped myself up in a few yards just to get a rush! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 18:23:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LMNRHA022631 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:23:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6LMNQjB003206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6LMKsmP036414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LMKmlp029055; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LMKiZs029012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.3] (dial-209-148-114-3.sonic.net [209.148.114.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6LMKht1007047 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:20:43 -0700 Message-ID: <46A286BE.3020604@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:20:46 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics References: <00ab01c7cbdb$484ed230$6401a8c0@VMAA1> In-Reply-To: <00ab01c7cbdb$484ed230$6401a8c0@VMAA1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5bbae51-99eb-4868-8d61-c61f5ffce88c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A2875E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 23:17:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6M3HqHP001905 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:17:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6M3Hp70023352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:17:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6M3HCXf070232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:17:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6M3H9nd012737; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6M3H63S012678 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d57.5194641 (39329) for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:16:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:16:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d543e043-1b8b-404e-90c3-07fd4487b98f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A2CC5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/21/2007 12:21:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: The corset is laced edge to edge in the Simplicity pattern, which I prefer not to do, and I always have the back edges level, so no, in my opinion, that inverted "V" is not correct. ************** I don't think it's an inverted V. I think it's a straight back laced edge to edge and is spreading apart over the butt...like the tabs spreading over the hips. The drawing makes it look like a V. But I could be wrong, not seeing the pattern pieces. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 21 23:23:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6M3NkW4002268 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:23:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6M3NjLN024750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:23:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6M3KphS070605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6M3KoGm014729; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6M3Kkwg014653 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cc7.16d5f67b (39329) for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:20:39 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:20:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns-corset question - Bjarne? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82c0212f-75c1-463b-b44a-d0afcfaf70ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A2CDC1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/21/2007 5:09:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Would butterick 4484 work better? ************* It, too is from "Corsets & Crinolines". It's a late 1700s corset. It's not my favorite pattern. The Simplicity looks to be more useful as it is more "generic" of the whole period. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 22 09:06:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6MD6DGr030658 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:06:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6MD6CdE020456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:06:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6MD5fUK097695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:05:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6MD5aOu086864; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6MCMrdq055737 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1373782403 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:22:52 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c7fd13$476006f0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009b01c7cbc7$42fd1080$6401a8c0@VMAA1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:22:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c29e86f-8e60-48b1-9669-f9120335dd94 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A35644.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > brown stains isn't really an option. I'll try the Oxyclean and see how > it comes out. Next step would be dyeing, but I worry about getting an > even job. I guess if all else fails I could get "artistic" with it. ;D If you get to the point where you want to try the artistic route -- I'd use a selection of similar colors and try for an effect similar to "sponge painting" on walls. Silk is so easy to dye -- you can sponge or squirt or drip acid dye in random patterns, wrap in plastic and steam (over water or nuke it); then rinse and repeat as often as you like. Buy some cheap silk scarves to practice with if you have something specific in mind (and keep notes!). I'm thinking of something like a very subtle camouflage (very subtle!) Several shades of greens and browns swirled together and overlapping until there is no real "pattern" just one color blending into the next. I think I'd make pair of silk pajamas and maybe a lovely summer night gown with the lightweight linen, but I can't help you with the historical suggestions... Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 22 11:35:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6MFZal4004446 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:35:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6MFZYvR021688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6MFZ5W6047621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6MFZ251013306; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6MFYhv1013045 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070722153435.TBBZ4486.fep35.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:35 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.214]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070722153435.DWHE10547.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c7cc75$ce84d440$d614a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.214] at Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:21 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6c556a5-53e1-4574-b1eb-5dad7c024e7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A37946.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi De, This thin linnen is not available today. I can tell that for sure. How about using a thin silk in stead? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen > Thank you. The linens are still to thick. I am looking for linen that is > about as sheer as the veil on this Madonna > http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/lippi/p-lippi12.htm > or > http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/lippi/p-lippi1.htm > > I know that one can get silk that sheer and I know there is cotton that > sheer but I am told that on can find linen that sheer. > Thank you, > De > > -----Original Message----- > You may be thinking of The Linen House. > http://thelinenhouse.com/ I have their > complete > sample collection. > Their Napoli, Voile De Lin, Lille, Roma & Veneszia would all work for > under > clothing. > > I'd say the Napoli is the softest and finest, but I bet if you wrote and > asked them they would help. > > I'll be there in September! Weeee! I wonder if they'd mind if I wrapped > myself up in a few yards just to get a rush! > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 22 20:50:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N0o4DN024674 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:50:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N0o2R5003172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:50:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6N0nU8g069935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N0n208080685; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N0mxdK080618 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6N0mnYn015792 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:48:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c7ccc3$3b159e30$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfLsj2DoQNCgg6QQEaW0Cia4KGYQQBEDEUg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfb2e546-4d5c-4c92-b9eb-76420fe5e5bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A3FB3A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks for the site, Saragrace. Have you ordered from them and what do you think of their linen? I am always looking for good sources. Also, what sample cards did you order to get a range of what they offer? Do you mean all of the Home Collection, New Card and Artist Canvas collections? I'm easily confused! (Have a grand time in Belgium! - we were there and in the Netherlands last fall and the art museums are fabulous.) Jenn -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: July 21, 2007 12:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen You may be thinking of The Linen House. http://thelinenhouse.com/ I have their complete sample collection. Their Napoli, Voile De Lin, Lille, Roma & Veneszia would all work for under clothing. I'd say the Napoli is the softest and finest, but I bet if you wrote and asked them they would help. I'll be there in September! Weeee! I wonder if they'd mind if I wrapped myself up in a few yards just to get a rush! Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: otsisto To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:15 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Hmmm..I remember that at the end of the past discuss someone produced a website so perhaps this woman is not the one I was thinking of. Please hold off on the email address. I guess what I am going to have to do is do a major search through the archives and see if I can find the retailer. If that fails then I will be asking for the woman's email address. Thank you, greatly appreciated, De -----Original Message----- She is not online, but i have her email address. Ill find it for you tomorrow. She is located in Denmark. She had a wonderfull embroidery shop in Copenhagen, but it closed down, she told me she still can get the linnen for me, i baught from her before christmass. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- >I believe your suppier is who I am thinking of. May I have their name and > are they on line? > > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 22 20:56:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N0uuDP024970 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:56:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N0usjS005249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:56:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6N0ubQh071076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N0uZ1B085831; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N0twEN085519 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24621 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:00:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:00:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seeking a citation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bb0dafb-8546-4bda-9081-91878c23c076 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A3FCD6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm hoping someone here can save me a long trip to an out-of-the way library. Does anyone have on hand a copy of this book: An Illustrated Dictionary of Historic Costume (Dover Pictorial Archive Series) by James R. Planche http://store.doverpublications.com/0486423239.html Yes, I've ILL'd it, but that could take weeks. What I really need is Planche's 1876 "Cyclopaedia of costume," but this is a facsimile of it and a lot more likely to be on people's shelves! If I can ascertain whether the fact I'm looking for is in the book, I can meet my immediate deadline, and check the real book (in a rare book room, not particularly close) at my leisure to verify later. I'm pretty sure no one here has Planche's 1847 History of British Costume (or, for that matter, any of the other numerous later editions), but if you do, please e-mail me. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 22 21:19:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N1JbDH025880 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:19:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N1Jajg018590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6N1JAe4074345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N1J87q000431; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N1J3d1000372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-232-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.232]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l6N1J1ht001743 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:19:02 +1000 Message-ID: <003101c7ccc7$73f47fb0$e8f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:19:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1877833a-ccbc-4d31-8ce3-85502d5b22ff X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A40228.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO 20 1/2 yds for the Robe A l'francaise http://www.simplicity.com/designNavigator.cfm?design=3637, sounds like Simplicity has gone overboard as per usual on buying extra yardage for trim rather than piecing scraps. Also I'm not sure about the shape and length of that point, 18th century experts can correct me but in the line drawing it doesn't look right and rather reminds me of a comment I heard about the Shakespeare in Love pattern describing the look as 'bodice with a p*nis' because there is just this narrow point sticking down at the front rather than a more straight line heading downwards to make a V shape. The wig really can't be helped, it's what you can buy easily from costume shops and I doubt Simplicity would have bothered with a good one for a photo shoot (and nothing above the neck is included in the pattern anyway). Although with a saque gown you can get away with claiming it's pre 1770s and the big hair trend hasn't really gotten underway yet. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 22 21:38:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N1c8Zw026641 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:38:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N1c77w008221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:38:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6N1bYHv077507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N1bXug012595; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6N1bT2h012554 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:37:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200707230137.l6N1bT2h012554@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 15367 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2007 18:37:28 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 15238, pid: 15358, t: 1.6104s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 22 Jul 2007 18:37:27 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:35:19 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paul Poiret exhibit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec7c8329-366f-4211-b5fa-3026b718769e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A4067F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just heard a story on NPR about a Paul Poiret exhibit at New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. Here's the link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12104454 It's only running through August 5th. It has 50 ensembles, most of them ones he designed for his wife, Denise, and which have never before been photographed or been on public display. If anyone gets a chance to see it, a report would be appreciated. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 22 22:03:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N23Ji5028844 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:03:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N23IWA016641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:03:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6N22lUt080916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N22iOS029140; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:02:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N22eEm029102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:02:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.27.103] (core-dc-2-103.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.27.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l6N22S5Z008918 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:02:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <003101c7ccc7$73f47fb0$e8f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <222382.71962.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003101c7ccc7$73f47fb0$e8f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:02:25 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e67b366-e68d-42f3-93a6-ca82d0cd4fef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A40C66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually that looks like the stays rather than a stomacher. =20 The shape and length looks fine. Generally the stomacher is where =20 you would have some contrast =97 a focal point. They have that with =20 the bows, but the stomacher could be a different color, too. With the underpinnings (3635), it looks like the shift sleeves =20 are drawstring, which is not correct. Shift sleeves were gathered =20 into cuffs. Likewise the neckline should not be gathered, either. The V at the bottom back of the stays is consistent on the =20 model and the line drawing, so it looks like it's part of the =20 pattern. And it's not right, either. With a few adjustments, though, it could produce something decent. -Carol On Jul 22, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > 20 1/2 yds for the Robe A l'francaise http://www.simplicity.com/=20 > designNavigator.cfm?design=3D3637, sounds like Simplicity has gone =20 > overboard as per usual on buying extra yardage for trim rather than =20= > piecing scraps. Also I'm not sure about the shape and length of =20 > that point, 18th century experts can correct me but in the line =20 > drawing it doesn't look right and rather reminds me of a comment I =20 > heard about the Shakespeare in Love pattern describing the look as =20 > 'bodice with a p*nis' because there is just this narrow point =20 > sticking down at the front rather than a more straight line heading =20= > downwards to make a V shape. The wig really can't be helped, it's =20 > what you can buy easily from costume shops and I doubt Simplicity =20 > would have bothered with a good one for a photo shoot (and nothing =20 > above the neck is included in the pattern anyway). Although with a =20 > saque gown you can get away with claiming it's pre 1770s and the =20 > big hair trend hasn't really gotten underway yet. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 22 22:34:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N2YaCC031860 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:34:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N2YYmv017502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:34:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6N2YCsJ085340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N2YB3I050280; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N2Y9cH050261 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1393979wxc for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:34:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZCmGfrSm8xnJgWMM/RAx1NeG7OQuMI+s8Tg3wM3Zp0EQZVzNaxp7CokymtVMAxseny5GwqUrzVY5RMZSyxjySthtntq2nGc/b5K5rjnro38AlLwy2U9z4y/+NPdz2DAF87pvtwzSY0rp+mQtUMmjIDKt3IkCwX+SgwIIq99yBsM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=F4LtGlUKrdS5wMUJnwzRBPzO6a5t492KVWN9aBXoe3mzX5m52LTJckUdc/BBnbGKruSmDZxlsR8mhlnfAEMszl2XaODKVDpK+pTI9ILieJnc5aTddHlFgh4H7UV0B8PCtlmuB/wc+USIs6mHF4lDEtMN03pvzBPxuOY1+geata8= Received: by 10.70.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr4792791wxb.1185158048579; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.21.7 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190707221934r53f084d1mb2d0326c051787ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:34:08 -0400 From: "A. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I guess I will have to settle on the Linen/cotton blends and silk tends to insulate and the camicias are for summer. De -----Original Message----- Hi De, This thin linnen is not available today. I can tell that for sure. How about using a thin silk in stead? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 02:08:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N68Kba017720 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:08:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N68Jh1022601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6N67kFV011542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N67fPE078694; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:07:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N67cmN078669 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1ICr4y3Olp-0006Xm; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: <012301c7ccef$c2439ed0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:07:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+NUx7A5wxaCpEA1EEcc+0dmkgevYiHNd6eDRs rDvDjc/+sKjYIjE4rfDdSShzF2+Nsh8ZjRghpmJnbTn26RetYM /sqRsDjqakxNQ/s+AP7Sg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Toilet Paper Bridal Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1aa04bd3-05b9-47e9-91ad-0ab550fe0da1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A445D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Toilet Paper Bridal Dress Contest: http://www.cheap-chic-weddings.com/wedding-contest-2007.html 2006 winners: http://www.cheap-chic-weddings.com/wedding-contest-2006.html 2005 winners: http://www.cheap-chic-weddings.com/wedding-contest.html Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 05:35:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N9ZN0U029037 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:35:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6N9ZMXC030925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:35:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6N9YY4M039966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:34:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N9YU2K098726; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N9YQxP098635 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c46.196e926f (40523) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:34:19 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Question about wool for the WW1 french uniforms To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20f56c3c-ff6f-440c-aeed-d6d18d893665 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A4765A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO abimelech hainsworth _http://www.abimelech.co.uk/_ (http://www.abimelech.co.uk/) talk to general woollens debs In a message dated 22/07/2007 16:36:01 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Hi, I am looking for fabric wool to make french uniforms of the WW1 : - weight : around 500/750 grams / meter (16 - 26 oz) - color : horizon blue (mixture of three wools: - white wool 35%; - dark blue wool 15%; - wool light blue 50%) The blue is to reproduce French soldiers uniforms of the WW1 (1915 to 1918). http://www.nicecollection.fr/_Divers/WWI-French_Blue_Wool.jpg Somebody knows where I can buy this wool blue horizon? Best regards, Eric _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 09:03:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ND33M1027403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:03:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6ND32ti006681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6ND2PrB069847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ND2Ks3045765; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6N6WSaP092738 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0308.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.53]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF9B343572 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46A44B81.5050607@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:32:33 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] leg o'mutton sleeve question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 354eb520-a1bb-4727-be4d-84cd63e1cd28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A4A706.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 09:33:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NDX9ae028182 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:33:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NDX8B0022535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:33:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NDWVKO075204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NDWUrs071095; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NDWR5q071001 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c47.1a6c3241 (57293) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:32:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:32:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78563158-8536-48ef-93ae-a48b7fcb8100 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A4AE14.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/22/2007 9:22:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: I doubt Simplicity would have bothered with a good one for a photo shoot *************** I dunno. I think the stylist for the shoot has a goal of making it look like something one can get together at home....in the mid-west or the south or maybe rural NY state. So they deliberately use fabrics and accessories that can be had by just about anyone anywhere...whose also on a budget. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 10:37:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NEbomV030134 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:37:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NEbnAt014888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:37:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NEaWO9086302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:36:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NEaTbO031526; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.87]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NEaPdD031376 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.27]) by bay0-omc1-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:36:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:36:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:36:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c7ccc3$3b159e30$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:34:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:34:22 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 14:36:20.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5CC90F0:01C7CD36] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Linen House - was batiste weight linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcc7d986-0331-4183-af5c-248bd1327a08 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A4BD3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I bought the whole set at the time, minus the artist canvas. It was = about $45 (maybe 7 years ago?). The products are fabulous. The linens = are slub-less, even the heaviest weights. The color ranges are = gorgeous, in the most beautiful natural dyed looking colors. They have = a selection of "denims" (not quite that heavy) which are really pretty = for a homespun look. If I had to be selective, I would get the basic linen card - light = weight. That will give you a great range of things to select from to = dye with, or use as is. If you are looking for colors for dresses, etc. = I would get the Lin De Flandre selection. This has the weight of a = rayon/linen blend, but a little stiffer. The Normande range has nice = colors too, but the samples were completely pasted down so I can't quite = get a sense of the hand. I would say it is a little heavier than the = Lin De Flandre. I would avoid the Misto....too coarse a weave unless = you want something like a placemat! =20 Since I bought awhile back, the ranges may not be named the same. They = are very helpful and would be able to cross reference them. As to a light weight lining for Otisto, the Voile de Lin would be great. = It is a slightly open weave and not veil weight, but for a soft, light = lining it would be great. They aren't cheap, but they are like nothing you find over here or from, = say, the Linen Store. The quality is superior. When I buy from them, = it is for a special thing...otherwise, I live with the rayon/linen = blends for dress stuff. Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jennifer Byrne=20 To: 'Historical Costume'=20 Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Thanks for the site, Saragrace. Have you ordered from them and what = do you think of their linen? I am always looking for good sources. Also, = what sample cards did you order to get a range of what they offer? Do you = mean all of the Home Collection, New Card and Artist Canvas collections? I'm easily confused! (Have a grand time in Belgium! - we were there and in the Netherlands = last fall and the art museums are fabulous.) Jenn -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com = [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: July 21, 2007 12:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen You may be thinking of The Linen House. = http://thelinenhouse.com/> I have their complete sample collection. Their Napoli, Voile De Lin, Lille, Roma & Veneszia would all work for = under clothing. I'd say the Napoli is the softest and finest, but I bet if you wrote = and asked them they would help. I'll be there in September! Weeee! I wonder if they'd mind if I = wrapped myself up in a few yards just to get a rush!=20 Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: otsisto>=20 To: Historical = Costume>=20 Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:15 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: batiste weight linen Hmmm..I remember that at the end of the past discuss someone = produced a website so perhaps this woman is not the one I was thinking of. = Please hold off on the email address. I guess what I am going to have to do is = do a major search through the archives and see if I can find the = retailer. If that fails then I will be asking for the woman's email address. Thank you, greatly appreciated, De -----Original Message----- She is not online, but i have her email address. Ill find it for you tomorrow. She is located in Denmark. She had a wonderfull embroidery = shop in Copenhagen, but it closed down, she told me she still can get the = linnen for me, i baught from her before christmass. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- >I believe your suppier is who I am thinking of. May I have their = name and > are they on line? > > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list = h-costume@mail.indra.com> =20 = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume an/listinfo/h-costume> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 11:43:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NFhBq8000362 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:43:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NFhANm003474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:43:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NFeZgk000149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:40:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NFeUn0000567; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NFeNS5000423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l6NFdaRa020280 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:39:49 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49210.72.13.239.193.1185205697.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7ed26cf-377d-42b8-92f5-1a0bb2c27293 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A4CC8E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > In a message dated 7/22/2007 9:22:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: > > I doubt Simplicity would have bothered with a good one for a photo shoot > *************** AlbertCat wrote, > I dunno. I think the stylist for the shoot has a goal of making it look like > something one can get together at home....in the mid-west or the south or > maybe rural NY state. So they deliberately use fabrics and accessories > that can be had by just about anyone anywhere...whose also on a budget. The thing is, there are other hairstyles than the very tall wig and the saucy-pirate-lass-flowing hair. Reenactors often will put up thier hair and add some feathers for a formal event. Do they want to sell the patterns to reenactors as well, or just for the Halloween crowd? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 13:37:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NHbbDp005144 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:37:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NHbZKS008070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:37:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NHZtFo022914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NHZnNA028706; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:35:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NHZiKh028480 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bdd.17c99406 (39955) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:35:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30c9322d-2233-4442-b22d-c994977c3b6a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A4E75F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:42:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: Do they want to sell the patterns to reenactors as well, or just for the Halloween crowd? ************** Ahhhh...there lies the rub. I think in this specific instance it the "I wanna look like the film Marie Antoinette" crowd. Maybe they figure reenactors can see past the Halloween look. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 13:49:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NHnmtW005548 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:49:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NHnlkJ024153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:49:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NHi6Fg024285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NHi4H0037664; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NHi1TX037514 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:43:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:43:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:43:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46A44B81.5050607@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] leg o'mutton sleeve question Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:42:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:42:01 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 17:43:55.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A8609B0:01C7CD51] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 078cd8c1-04d8-4b4b-99f0-e5cc9f13fc9f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A4EA3B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The sleeve patterns are usually so large, at least part of the upper = half is off grain. This probably depends more on your fabric. Got = enough to try it a couple of different ways? Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Deredere Galbraith=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] leg o'mutton sleeve question Hi, I am going to make an anime costume witch has leg o'mutton sleeves. I never made these before. = http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Crossplay/AllanSchezar.jpg I have pattern 3716 from Butterick. I have light weight cotton and slightly heavier. Normally shirts are from lightweight cotton but I wonder if that would = work well with these sleeves. Should I cut the sleeves on the strait or on the cross grain? Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 15:06:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NJ6u6B008983 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:06:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NJ6t3J008857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:06:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NJ5jfU040726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NJ5cqC026523; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NJ5F04026019 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so1227476nze for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M/PkS4x++zWD4spMZ591ZSp3srtJiwoiwSd1wb/M8TuEpwqmRvC1f06oZC/AHFoLK4E355UACylWF7zqDFJBg8CG/J4fZGt0XQhlUtc8pWarrd9a8SUme5rtWdSVSu68AUp+2ssn+UUC/SOAw9zBOvDu86k24f3TYGJebspIXbc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BVIPcwm4tuuLJZr/4GhmQ5CiKh+MmIBZYH3Jcv6tVw131c1ka1a8LoFzxMihsjN4Czx6z/pBBgWSjhm+8SiCpiD6A+2Fq7r6AKxsk/p6eaJ0sgpeQwdIAh0/tb+0jdfHGoGktVO7GBR6YPtFG4UruRYwWtx7lzbW9JLS4uGmq3I= Received: by 10.114.153.18 with SMTP id a18mr3263242wae.1185217536052; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.92.10 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070707231205p7f721878l491a4a4be77517b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:05:35 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] leg o'mutton sleeve question In-Reply-To: <46A44B81.5050607@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46A44B81.5050607@kabelfoon.nl> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13d888ba-a880-4920-a039-b5b8a4563fec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A4FC4F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The lower sleeve, which is fairly fitted on your arm, is affected greatly by being on the straight or cross grain. A tighter fit and better freedom of movement is possible with a bias lower sleeve. A looser fit works with straight grain. I really need to go starch my leg-o-mutton sleeves for Newport. Only 2 weeks away and so many outfits to get in order. Katy On 7/23/07, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I am going to make an anime costume witch has leg o'mutton sleeves. > I never made these before. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Crossplay/AllanSchezar.jpg > > I have pattern 3716 from Butterick. > I have light weight cotton and slightly heavier. > Normally shirts are from lightweight cotton but I wonder if that would > work well with these sleeves. > > Should I cut the sleeves on the strait or on the cross grain? > > Greetings, > Deredere > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 16:37:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NKbjNp013208 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:37:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NKbipn018853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:37:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NKakpx058016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NKagrT023240; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NGLY56044412 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90DCDAB56 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:21:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46A4D5BC.5060300@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:22:20 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] leg o'mutton sleeve question References: <46A44B81.5050607@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <46A44B81.5050607@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c88831f-d657-4598-a72d-49a855d72a9a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A51198.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Hi, > > I am going to make an anime costume witch has leg o'mutton sleeves. ... > Normally shirts are from lightweight cotton but I wonder if that would > work well with these sleeves. Ah, the joys of recreating costumes drawn by people who don't understand fabric... :) If the light cotton is not stiff enough you can line the top half of the sleeve with heavy net to help it hold its shape. Also, sometimes they put a stiff ruffle inside the top of the arm to help hold the fabric out. > > Should I cut the sleeves on the strait or on the cross grain? What does your pattern say to do? When I made my dress a few years ago I cut it on the straight grain. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 16:42:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NKgiUl013445 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:42:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NKggsg027440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:42:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NKdoxh058694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:39:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NKdlSo026982; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6NJ7mXs028940 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:07:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88175 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2007 19:07:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Fey/1VbFiFWIkpCL8l/o/dn+u4iZP5KOnFEF0/GrWL8swc6VOHx8QapXoGLLzguMWGM+UJHpJ+P0ZQ0rm1U8KYIr0GXAlDiAtiw19nawg1vkBq8PgV610VxZiOn0VQFZMe2deI7auVN829/o7CHGKkebLhM/Lwo03lfdFihVdZk=; X-YMail-OSG: Z3ml4KkVM1kryG4AVIXAOlMQGIlNiV7PPl4mS32Kh1ZMK29G__CfyvEVTGZpa77gjU56TFCWUP9cLFbjMx5QJ.fhkwT1p9Y0uw_mBQm4TkATSuIJhpMU2UqJ9sDi1g-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:07:43 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] leg o'mutton sleeve question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <55420.88096.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba2757f0-269a-413b-8a06-cd8a8a927373 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A512C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'd certainly try cross grain, it always makes quite a nice shape when the head of the sleeve (don't know the word...) is high. Zuzana --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 17:37:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NLbrgG015818 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:37:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NLbqs1022344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:37:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NLbIu5069257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NLbBgq092781; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NLarOC092329 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 8E7FF2E811F for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:27:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 1F2F32E80E1 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:27:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00301 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:36:44 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:36:50 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns Thread-Index: AcfNT/sm19POB++JTrOLZc+b4JOu0QAH3bQg References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5375e427-510f-4d7b-b7cf-b9518c95c4c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A51FB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, they might consider reinactors--for like the Civil War gowns and underpinnings by Martha McCain and the newer Patterns from History that are far more authentic, but I think they consider the main potential buyers as Halloween and high school, college, and the local community playhouse. Reinactors would get at least patterns that are more easily alterable than starting from scratch. I'm willing to bet that most of those designers for the historical costumes start out with far more authentic patterns and then have to modify them for a mass audience to a greater or lesser degree. Last I heard of Martha McCain, on this list, I think, was a year or so ago. If I remember right, she was working on 18th century costumes. It would be great to get mass-market patterns that finally get the 18th century bodice and sleeves right! I remember doing an Eleanor of Toledo dress by buying 2 or 3 RenFaire type costumes years ago from McCall's and Simplicity at 99 cents each(not having the skill or the equipment to enlarge the Arnold pattern on my apartment wall in order to trace it out.) I altered the bodice patterns to fit me first and then redrew the patterns to match Arnold. Still pretty time-consuming, but without a dressmaker's dummy in the size of yours truly, it was the cheapest way to go.=20 Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:36 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns =20 In a message dated 7/23/2007 11:42:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: Do they want to sell the patterns to reenactors as well, or just for the Halloween crowd? ************** =20 Ahhhh...there lies the rub. I think in this specific instance it the "I wanna look like the film Marie Antoinette" crowd. Maybe they figure reenactors can see past the Halloween look. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 17:52:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NLqFqh016152 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:52:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NLqEDb028922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NLpoBe071571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NLpm00008697; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NLphOk008555 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id OAA14481 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:51:38 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070723142856.028b8788@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:51:37 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Fabric & Mildew X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d88f22b-c016-44e0-be58-a4685c93d5e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A5230E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Below are some additional tips fro removing the mildew from your fine fabrics. The heavier silk by the way, if died an appropriate color would probably be fabulous for medieval and Renaissance garments. I am thinking Italian Renaissance especially. Beverly Removing mildew Clothing and household fabrics Remove mildew spots as soon as you discover them. Do not give the mold growth a chance to weaken or rot the material. Brush off any surface growth outdoors to prevent scattering the mildew spores in the house. Sun and air fabrics thoroughly. If any mildew spots remain, treat washable articles as described below. Dry clean nonwashable articles. Wash mildew-stained articles at once with soap or detergent and water. Rinse well and dry in the sun. If any stain remains, use lemon juice and salt or another bleach. If you use a bleach, be sure to test colored fabrics for colorfastness. * Lemon juice and salt * Moisten stain with a mixture of lemon juice and salt. Spread in the sun to bleach. Rinse thoroughly. * Peroxygen bleach * Mix 1 to 2 tablespoons of sodium perborate or a powdered bleach containing sodium perborate or potassium monopersulfate with 1 pint (0.47 liters) of water. Use hot water if it is safe for the fabric; otherwise, use lukewarm water. Sponge the stain or soak the stained area in the solution, or sprinkle the dry powder directly on the dampened stain. Let solution or powder remain on the stain 30 minutes or longer, then rinse thoroughly. If mildew stains have been on the fabric for some time, it may be necessary to soak the fabric in the bleach solution overnight. Applying sodium perborate solution at or near the boiling point may remove stubborn stains. Be sure this treatment is safe for the fabric. * Chlorine bleach * Mix 2 tablespoons of liquid chlorine bleach with 1 quart (0.95 liters) of warm water. Sponge the stain or soak the stained area in the solution. Allow the bleach to remain on the fabric from 5 to 15 minutes, then rinse. An additional soaking in weak vinegar (2 tablespoons to a cup of water) will stop further bleach action. Never use a chlorine bleach on silk, wool or Spandex fabrics. Some fabrics with wash-and-wear or other special finishes may be damaged by chlorine bleaches. Articles with such finishes usually have a warning on the label or on a hang tag attached to the garment when it is sold. Upholstered articles, mattresses and rugs First, remove loose mold from outer coverings of upholstered articles, mattresses, rugs and carpets by brushing with a broom. Do this outdoors to prevent scattering mildew spores in the house. Run a vacuum cleaner attachment over the surface of the article to draw out more of the mold. Remember that the mold spores are being drawn into the bag of the vacuum cleaner. If the appliance has a disposable bag, remove and dispose of it immediately. If not, empty the bag carefully (preferably outdoors) to avoid scattering mold spores in the house. Do everything conveniently possible to dry the article -- use an electric heater and a fan to carry away moist air. Sun and air the article to stop the mold growth. If mildew remains on upholstered articles or mattresses, sponge lightly with thick suds of soap or detergent and wipe with a clean, damp cloth. In doing this, get as little water on the fabric as possible so the filling does not get wet. Another way to remove mildew on upholstered furniture is to wipe it with a cloth moistened with diluted alcohol (1 cup denatured or rubbing alcohol to 1 cup water). Dry the article thoroughly. Sponge mildewed rugs and carpets with thick suds or a rug shampoo. Then remove the suds by wiping with a cloth dampened with clear water. Dry in the sun if possible. Use a low-pressure spray containing a fungicide to get rid of mildew. Respray frequently, especially in localities where mildew is a major problem. Vapors of paradichlorobenzene or paraformaldehyde, used in enclosed areas, will stop mold growth. See the section "Store with a mildew inhibitor." If molds have grown into the inner part of an article, send it to a reliable disinfecting and fumigating service. Such services are often listed under "Exterminating and Fumigating" or "Pest Control" services in the yellow pages of the telephone directory. Leather goods To remove mildew from leather goods, wipe with a cloth moistened with diluted alcohol (1 cup denatured or rubbing alcohol to 1 cup water). Dry in a current of air. If mildew remains, wash with thick suds made from a mild soap or detergent, saddle soap, or a soap containing a germicide or fungicide. Then wipe with a damp cloth and dry in an airy place. Polish leather shoes and luggage with a good wax dressing. Shoes contaminated with fungus growth on the inside often develop unpleasant odors, and colored mildew shows up on the inner sole and linings and up into the toe. You can remove this kind of mildew with low-pressure sprays especially intended for freshening shoes; these sprays are available at shoe and department stores. Use these products as directed. Another way to stop mold growth in leather goods is to place the leather goods in a container along with crystals of commercially prepared paradichlorobenzene-paraformaldehyde. Close the container tightly and allow the chemicals to vaporize. See the section "Store with a mildew inhibitor." The vapors from these chemicals are effective in killing molds that have grown into leather, but they give no lasting protection against future contamination. As the vapors leak out, the chemicals must be replaced. Before using the shoes or luggage, air them thoroughly. Wood Use heat and increase the air circulation to get mildewed wood as dry as possible. Badly infected wood may need to be replaced, preferably with wood that has been treated or that is naturally decay-resistant. Thoroughly clean mildewed surfaces, woodwork and other wooden parts by scrubbing them with a mild alkali, such as washing soda or trisodium phosphate (8 to 10 tablespoons to a gallon (3.8 liters) of water), or with disinfectants, such as a quaternary disinfectant or pentachlorophenate. Paint and grocery stores and janitors' supply houses sell these products under various trade names. Rinse the wood well with clear water and allow the wood to dry thoroughly. Then apply a mildew-resistant paint. (See the section "Give special care to some articles and surfaces" for precautions.) If the mold has grown under the paint or varnish, remove all the paint or varnish from the stained areas. Then scrub with a solution containing 8 to 10 tablespoons of trisodium phosphate and 1 cup of household chlorine bleach to a gallon (3.8 liters) of water. Stronger solutions can be used if necessary. Wear rubber gloves. If stain remains, apply oxalic acid (3 tablespoons to 1 pint (0.47 liters) of water). Caution: The acid is poisonous -- handle carefully. Finally, rinse the surface thoroughly with clear water. Dry well before refinishing. Paper and books Remove any dry, loose mold from paper with a clean, soft cloth. If mildewed paper is damp, dry it first in an airy place. To dry wallpaper, heat the room for several hours or even days to dry the plaster as well as the paper. Plaster should be dried slowly to prevent cracking. If mildewed paper is washable, wipe it gently with a cloth wrung out of thick soapsuds, then with clear water. Take care not to wet the paper more than necessary. Do not scrub it. Finally pat with a soft, dry cloth. If stains remain, bleach with a solution of a household bleach, then sponge with a cloth wrung out of clear water. For small stains, a commercial ink eradicator may be useful. "Fan out" pages of books to increase air circulation. If the books are very damp, sprinkle cornstarch or talcum powder between the leaves to absorb the moisture. Leave starch or powder on for several hours, then brush off. See the section "Give special care to some articles and surfaces." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 18:09:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NM9kOx016581 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:09:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NM9ikF010678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:09:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NM8k17074295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NM8guc025416; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NM8dx7025313 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070723220834.FEJP1482.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:08:34 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id TA8Z1X00W3Dnkwc0000000; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:08:33 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabric & Mildew Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:08:31 -0400 Message-ID: <013401c7cd76$013d2d50$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070723142856.028b8788@uci.edu> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b84342b-2359-42cc-9de3-84c92492d2f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A52728.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wow, Beverly, this is a lot of really great tips! Definitely worth printing out and filing for future reference. I'd never thought about Italian Renn... but yes, this is sturdy enough to make a very good supportive bodice. Right now I'm having fun with just imagining its possibilities. Thanks to everyone for all the help~! Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Beverly Azizi Below are some additional tips fro removing the mildew from your fine fabrics. The heavier silk by the way, if died an appropriate color would probably be fabulous for medieval and Renaissance garments. I am thinking Italian Renaissance especially. -Beverly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 18:35:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NMZlpS017273 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:35:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NMZkW4024279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:35:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NMZBJa081136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NMZ9wM052852; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:35:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NMZ6Ld052807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:35:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.115] (dial-209-148-113-115.sonic.net [209.148.113.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6NMZ4kV008856 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:35:05 -0700 Message-ID: <46A52D1C.3030104@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:35:08 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric & Mildew References: <013401c7cd76$013d2d50$6401a8c0@VMAA1> In-Reply-To: <013401c7cd76$013d2d50$6401a8c0@VMAA1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4416a6c-f6e3-4b4c-96c2-ebfcaa454cc8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A52D42.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes: Bev copied some very helpful information verbatim from the University of Missouri Extension website. Here is the link she should have provided instead: http://extension.missouri.edu/xplor/hesguide/housing/gh5928.htm Fran Linda Rice wrote: > Wow, Beverly, this is a lot of really great tips! Definitely worth > printing out and filing for future reference. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 18:50:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NMoYTB017702 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:50:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NMoXCq026881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:50:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NMnscP085011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:49:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NMnqGD067811; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NMnnQe067767 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so123201nfd for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:49:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=goCwCeacb5LoHvP26xL+NCTeFyHbgMMdEL6blwOeLLviZqxb7g/lSINMnzLTtHJWx0dVz19Z4SP6zyLLDxKz6Z34VT5GFksANZkfEXwZCPPQCrKCniegaau/IXgXjoDFokm5w3Gu6KjPXkQqkLajERtgqJwpIOpZETiFIf9cUjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=obnzQsiGyP2UW16HU6F6khrsoPRVuCvDZOb8Asc5eaRRVRDndk6WUjkMhcqG+zr9QTd70kMKZcnz3J54WuZsl27xwcDQXkbTfQUwpTHsPjV8I6owF1Teu6KFZEVFvwe0dceadBE+E4mz04ZLXMmhmpzDjFW6oK2t5Y/22EPiEf8= Received: by 10.82.186.5 with SMTP id j5mr2541797buf.1185230984929; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.179.12 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660707231549p3c0da3cbya55f8c81bd9e359d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:49:44 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric & Mildew In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070723142856.028b8788@uci.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070723142856.028b8788@uci.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 618f12db-26e2-4c3a-b175-002b95fd6b71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A530B9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mari _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 19:03:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NN348v018085 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:03:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NN33A6031837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6NN2Mk0088729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NN2LK5080503; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6NN2HCm080436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.115] (dial-209-148-113-115.sonic.net [209.148.113.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6NN2GC2023310 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: <46A5337C.3070108@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:02:20 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric & Mildew References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070723142856.028b8788@uci.edu> <72adc2660707231549p3c0da3cbya55f8c81bd9e359d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660707231549p3c0da3cbya55f8c81bd9e359d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9340c13a-5bee-431e-a7bb-da1012d98132 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A533A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's just that it's a copyright violation and (though perhaps unintentionally) claiming credit for someone else's work. Fran Marie Stewart wrote: > Either way... I think she has saved me from tossing an expensive pair of > boots. > > Mari > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 23 20:28:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6O0Sf3C021148 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:28:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6O0SdFV015237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:28:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6O0RfGR001644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6O0Rb5l048348; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:27:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6O0RXSp048297 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.147.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.147]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ID8FN-00034P-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:27:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070723142856.028b8788@uci.edu> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070723142856.028b8788@uci.edu> Message-Id: <54A56514-5F38-455E-82F5-344B3C1609CB@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric & Mildew & stains on old fabric Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:29:04 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bf38e38-bd41-4d59-8318-3bbfb54fb907 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A547B7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Because I spend considerable time around old books, the description of the stains noted by the original poster (sorry, I seem to have deleted that message) reminded me immediately of foxing on paper, and I wonder if information on foxing might be pertinent to this discussion. I just Googled "foxing" and "paper" and then "foxing" and "cloth." Many entries, including (inevitably) descriptions of rare books for sale. Among them, though, some interesting information, including the fact that foxing does occur in cloth as well as in paper (as well as the fact that there's still some debate about what causes foxing-- mold, or breakdown of minute particles of metal present in the fabric). I don't consider Wikipedia definitive, but the entry is short and it does suggest some treatments, including spot applications of diluted hydrogen peroxide, so here's that url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Foxing. Much more extensive information and some discussions are maintained by palimsest.stanford.edu--if you want to read further, you might start with this posting: http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/exlibris/2003/06/ msg00157.html --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jul 23, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Beverly Azizi wrote: > > > Below are some additional tips fro removing the mildew from your > fine fabrics. The heavier silk by the way, if died an appropriate > color would probably be fabulous for medieval and Renaissance > garments. I am thinking Italian Renaissance especially. > > Beverly > > Removing mildew > > Clothing and household fabrics > Remove mildew spots as soon as you discover them. Do not give the > mold growth a chance to weaken or rot the material. Brush off any > surface growth outdoors to prevent scattering the mildew spores in > the house. Sun and air fabrics thoroughly. If any mildew spots > remain, treat washable articles as described below. Dry clean > nonwashable articles. > > Wash mildew-stained articles at once with soap or detergent and > water. Rinse well and dry in the sun. If any stain remains, use > lemon juice and salt or another bleach. If you use a bleach, be > sure to test colored fabrics for colorfastness. > * Lemon juice and salt > * Moisten stain with a mixture of lemon juice and salt. Spread > in the sun to bleach. Rinse thoroughly. > * Peroxygen bleach > * Mix 1 to 2 tablespoons of sodium perborate or a powdered > bleach containing sodium perborate or potassium monopersulfate with > 1 pint (0.47 liters) of water. Use hot water if it is safe for the > fabric; otherwise, use lukewarm water. Sponge the stain or soak the > stained area in the solution, or sprinkle the dry powder directly > on the dampened stain. Let solution or powder remain on the stain > 30 minutes or longer, then rinse thoroughly. If mildew stains have > been on the fabric for some time, it may be necessary to soak the > fabric in the bleach solution overnight. Applying sodium perborate > solution at or near the boiling point may remove stubborn stains. > Be sure this treatment is safe for the fabric. > * Chlorine bleach > * Mix 2 tablespoons of liquid chlorine bleach with 1 quart (0.95 > liters) of warm water. Sponge the stain or soak the stained area in > the solution. Allow the bleach to remain on the fabric from 5 to 15 > minutes, then rinse. An additional soaking in weak vinegar (2 > tablespoons to a cup of water) will stop further bleach action. > Never use a chlorine bleach on silk, wool or Spandex fabrics. Some > fabrics with wash-and-wear or other special finishes may be damaged > by chlorine bleaches. Articles with such finishes usually have a > warning on the label or on a hang tag attached to the garment when > it is sold. > > Upholstered articles, mattresses and rugs > First, remove loose mold from outer coverings of upholstered > articles, mattresses, rugs and carpets by brushing with a broom. Do > this outdoors to prevent scattering mildew spores in the house. > > Run a vacuum cleaner attachment over the surface of the article to > draw out more of the mold. Remember that the mold spores are being > drawn into the bag of the vacuum cleaner. If the appliance has a > disposable bag, remove and dispose of it immediately. If not, empty > the bag carefully (preferably outdoors) to avoid scattering mold > spores in the house. > > Do everything conveniently possible to dry the article -- use an > electric heater and a fan to carry away moist air. Sun and air the > article to stop the mold growth. > > If mildew remains on upholstered articles or mattresses, sponge > lightly with thick suds of soap or detergent and wipe with a clean, > damp cloth. In doing this, get as little water on the fabric as > possible so the filling does not get wet. > > Another way to remove mildew on upholstered furniture is to wipe it > with a cloth moistened with diluted alcohol (1 cup denatured or > rubbing alcohol to 1 cup water). Dry the article thoroughly. > > Sponge mildewed rugs and carpets with thick suds or a rug shampoo. > Then remove the suds by wiping with a cloth dampened with clear > water. Dry in the sun if possible. > > Use a low-pressure spray containing a fungicide to get rid of > mildew. Respray frequently, especially in localities where mildew > is a major problem. > > Vapors of paradichlorobenzene or paraformaldehyde, used in enclosed > areas, will stop mold growth. See the section "Store with a mildew > inhibitor." > > If molds have grown into the inner part of an article, send it to a > reliable disinfecting and fumigating service. Such services are > often listed under "Exterminating and Fumigating" or "Pest Control" > services in the yellow pages of the telephone directory. > > Leather goods > To remove mildew from leather goods, wipe with a cloth moistened > with diluted alcohol (1 cup denatured or rubbing alcohol to 1 cup > water). Dry in a current of air. If mildew remains, wash with thick > suds made from a mild soap or detergent, saddle soap, or a soap > containing a germicide or fungicide. Then wipe with a damp cloth > and dry in an airy place. Polish leather shoes and luggage with a > good wax dressing. > > Shoes contaminated with fungus growth on the inside often develop > unpleasant odors, and colored mildew shows up on the inner sole and > linings and up into the toe. You can remove this kind of mildew > with low-pressure sprays especially intended for freshening shoes; > these sprays are available at shoe and department stores. Use these > products as directed. > > Another way to stop mold growth in leather goods is to place the > leather goods in a container along with crystals of commercially > prepared paradichlorobenzene-paraformaldehyde. Close the container > tightly and allow the chemicals to vaporize. See the section "Store > with a mildew inhibitor." > > The vapors from these chemicals are effective in killing molds that > have grown into leather, but they give no lasting protection > against future contamination. As the vapors leak out, the chemicals > must be replaced. Before using the shoes or luggage, air them > thoroughly. > > Wood > Use heat and increase the air circulation to get mildewed wood as > dry as possible. Badly infected wood may need to be replaced, > preferably with wood that has been treated or that is naturally > decay-resistant. > > Thoroughly clean mildewed surfaces, woodwork and other wooden parts > by scrubbing them with a mild alkali, such as washing soda or > trisodium phosphate (8 to 10 tablespoons to a gallon (3.8 liters) > of water), or with disinfectants, such as a quaternary disinfectant > or pentachlorophenate. Paint and grocery stores and janitors' > supply houses sell these products under various trade names. Rinse > the wood well with clear water and allow the wood to dry > thoroughly. Then apply a mildew-resistant paint. (See the section > "Give special care to some articles and surfaces" for precautions.) > > If the mold has grown under the paint or varnish, remove all the > paint or varnish from the stained areas. Then scrub with a solution > containing 8 to 10 tablespoons of trisodium phosphate and 1 cup of > household chlorine bleach to a gallon (3.8 liters) of water. > Stronger solutions can be used if necessary. Wear rubber gloves. > > If stain remains, apply oxalic acid (3 tablespoons to 1 pint (0.47 > liters) of water). Caution: The acid is poisonous -- handle > carefully. Finally, rinse the surface thoroughly with clear water. > Dry well before refinishing. > > Paper and books > Remove any dry, loose mold from paper with a clean, soft cloth. If > mildewed paper is damp, dry it first in an airy place. To dry > wallpaper, heat the room for several hours or even days to dry the > plaster as well as the paper. Plaster should be dried slowly to > prevent cracking. > > If mildewed paper is washable, wipe it gently with a cloth wrung > out of thick soapsuds, then with clear water. Take care not to wet > the paper more than necessary. Do not scrub it. Finally pat with a > soft, dry cloth. If stains remain, bleach with a solution of a > household bleach, then sponge with a cloth wrung out of clear > water. For small stains, a commercial ink eradicator may be useful. > > "Fan out" pages of books to increase air circulation. If the books > are very damp, sprinkle cornstarch or talcum powder between the > leaves to absorb the moisture. Leave starch or powder on for > several hours, then brush off. See the section "Give special care > to some articles and surfaces." > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 24 01:17:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6O5H6Tk030210 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:17:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6O5H5T1018255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:17:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6O5GEcv036877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6O5G7WM054676; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [209.67.242.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6O5G3LU054557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (port=61519 helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IDCNY-0003dU-0m for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:52:22 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:43:19 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <00ab01c7cbdb$484ed230$6401a8c0@VMAA1> <46A286BE.3020604@lavoltapress.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:43:15 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <3BB96F9833B24ADAA63D544EE196ECB4@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4073 Thread-Index: AcfL5cn7frkhg6DAQEucXxSJBKAbmwAd+qIg In-Reply-To: <46A286BE.3020604@lavoltapress.com> X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, there is the traditional wash in cold water and hang in the sun treatment for the linen- in this case solar UV might be your friend! HTH Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 5:21 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics This fabric has a > "haven't seen the light of day since Kennedy was in office" smell, but > not a musty or mildew smell. Now, I'm much less sure than I was this > morning! > The light-reddish-brown mold doesn't smell. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 24 08:21:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OCL7C7010067 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:21:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OCL644026230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:21:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6OCJvRY096750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OCJqBp030560; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OCJnqO030477 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070724121944.OFTJ14957.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:19:44 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id TQKj1X00M3Dnkwc0000000; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:19:43 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gifted fabrics Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:19:40 -0400 Message-ID: <016101c7cdec$e8cccba0$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <006b01c7fd13$476006f0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b0c5ac3-59ab-4407-83a0-27fda728d3bf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A5EEB2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Denise, this sounds absolutely lovely, a watercolor painting effect. Why yes, I DO need to buy more craft supplies. :D Dharma Trading, here I come! Thanks for the inspiration, Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz If you get to the point where you want to try the artistic route -- I'd use a selection of similar colors and try for an effect similar to "sponge painting" on walls. Silk is so easy to dye -- you can sponge or squirt or drip acid dye in random patterns, wrap in plastic and steam (over water or nuke it); then rinse and repeat as often as you like. Buy some cheap silk scarves to practice with if you have something specific in mind (and keep notes!). I'm thinking of something like a very subtle camouflage (very subtle!) Several shades of greens and browns swirled together and overlapping until there is no real "pattern" just one color blending into the next. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 24 11:25:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OFPAit016617 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:25:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OFP9Lp021314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:25:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6OFO3bi029163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OFNr93099116; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:23:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OFNnwh098921 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from pool-70-109-77-142.hag.east.verizon.net [70.109.77.142] by aardvark.edurostream.com with SMTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:23:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c7ce06$91a34330$2f01a8c0@SueDesktop> From: "Sue" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] leg o'mutton sleeve question Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:23:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f32c846-d865-4780-96d9-24d2d85ca723 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A619D5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! You've probably never heard of me since I don't post, but I thought I could help. I have a striped wool waist that is very structured. In the top of the sleeve is starched netting drawn up and a piece of the fabric lining between the netting and sleeve material. The interesting thing is that it has a strip of cloth from the top shoulder to the bottom of leg o'mutton sleeve. It is drawn up tightly so the sleeve will never hang down flat. By the way, can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe? I am caring for my mother now and can't keep up with the mail. Thanks, Sue On 7/23/2007 12:22:20 PM, Dawn (dawn@reddawn.net) wrote: > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am going to make an anime costume witch has leg > o'mutton sleeves. > ... > > Normally shirts are from lightweight cotton but I wonder if that would > > work well with these sleeves. > > Ah, the joys of recreating costumes drawn by people who don't > understand > fabric... :) > > If the light cotton is not stiff enough you can line the top half of the > sleeve with heavy net to help it hold its shape. Also, sometimes they > put a stiff ruffle inside the top of the arm to help hold the fabric out. > > > > > Should I cut the sleeves on the strait or on the cross grain? > > What does your pattern say to do? > > When I made my dress a few years ago I cut it on the straight grain. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 24 13:46:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OHk3Y1022825 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:46:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OHk1Em009867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:46:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6OHjNsM055320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OHjJ1K098704; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OHjE3K098545 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id KAA23937 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:45:09 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070724104253.028c77b8@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:45:09 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Copyright Infringment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3431a0a8-69c9-4ab4-86c7-3c9144361491 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A63AD9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Beverly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 24 15:56:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OJu022028744 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:56:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6OJtxde006555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:56:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6OJsGVb080066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OJsA01039039; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:54:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6OJs8RK039007 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so1274661wri for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:54:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pHBCFYlCRWFSwFRdS5GxQsivE3ZzRhHG1ScFg/7C1WqDQ2NhrE+yQyaoK7U7QlRtWUerbtGa5eUNfQ1nAP0YkZ9oWK3Pfo0BC8T6TMSXO8/a3GdjlazJiXXISf9qULSf9gvOcqxgZ3kt6ibvkcS4JDhvZks1+PJhmiuNeuZTq8c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FZWixFg6YYK41A53EPOv7xbLkCvL8AipQR7WznIY99ATB6LlsktiP3TPPMgvGpQJShXvAn0Ia68SxzqfapGZT3ko4ro/CaIHqaHapwbxUqQOPeHSiVe0W+jfhC7FfjEaCkJneRbOfItESlOaNPsCskhGbyfCFoRffiv8164bpAA= Received: by 10.142.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr356119wfd.1185306847328; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:54:07 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sleeve verthingales (farthingales) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 788fb259-2061-49fe-bf69-509189e1646c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A6594F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Gentle H-costumers, I tried asking this question yesterday on the Tudor Tailor mailing list with no success. Perhaps if I cast my net a little wider, I'll get an answer... I'd settle for some speculation, idle conjecture or armchair experimentation. I there anyone out there in Tudor-land that has made the 1580-90s "sleeve verthingales" and wants to share success stories or failed experiments? I'm interested in creating the sleeves-bigger-than-torso look of the Mary Fitton, Elizabeth Buxton, Eleanor Herbert, Eliz Finch, Alice Knollys, Mary Rogers, Elizabeth I by John Bettes, Elizabeth I Jesus College at Oxford, Elizabeth I "Ermine" and Elizabeth I Grenwich portraits. Another good source portrait is Unknown Lady by Wm Segar. Back views of these sleeves also seen in "Ball at the court of Henri III". --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 24 19:03:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ON31OR004229 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:03:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6ON30IZ021424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:03:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6ON20Ls080136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ON1l8I027146; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ON1h12027038 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:01:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.27]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:01:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:01:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:01:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] sleeve verthingales (farthingales) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:59:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:59:43 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 23:01:40.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[984C7A90:01C7CE46] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e62a2c89-296b-45d8-978d-b8d70070fa75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A68524.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Are you talking about the hanging sleeve or the "Leg O' Mutton" type = sleeve. I made the latter sleeves for "A Suitable Gown for Her Majesty" = and was completely successful stuffing them with (unprinted) newspaper = and some fine netting!. There was a smaller inner sleeve which had an = opening at the seam. We just replaced the paper if it got too smooshed. = =20 I aslo used a strip of rigelene = http://www.greenberghammer.com/images/Boning/rigelene.jpg for the hanging sleeve. I = made casing inside the top of the sleeve, slid the rigelene in, and used = a pin to hold it in place. (makes storage easier w/o it) I have also made actual sleeve farthingales for a mahoitered sleeve = using rigelene. This is closer to a true sleeve farthingale, but even = in this case the rigelene was incorporated into a two part sleeve cap. If you'd like pictures of either, I can drum them up probably. I lost = all the links for my diary on the first dress and haven't bothered (bad = me) to fix them yet. Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cin=20 To: h-cost=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] sleeve verthingales (farthingales) Gentle H-costumers, I tried asking this question yesterday on the Tudor Tailor mailing list with no success. Perhaps if I cast my net a little wider, I'll get an answer... I'd settle for some speculation, idle conjecture or armchair experimentation. I there anyone out there in Tudor-land that has made the 1580-90s "sleeve verthingales" and wants to share success stories or failed experiments? I'm interested in creating the sleeves-bigger-than-torso look of the Mary Fitton, Elizabeth Buxton, Eleanor Herbert, Eliz Finch, Alice Knollys, Mary Rogers, Elizabeth I by John Bettes, Elizabeth I Jesus College at Oxford, Elizabeth I "Ermine" and Elizabeth I Grenwich portraits. Another good source portrait is Unknown Lady by Wm Segar. Back views of these sleeves also seen in "Ball at the court of Henri III". --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 04:15:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6P8FlNj019450 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:15:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6P8FkjA008302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:15:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6P8EfbI027388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6P8EZbq090735; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6P8EWLa090709 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E0AE3808B for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:14:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1700s man's embroidered vest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c56b6c6-98ef-4e42-9ff4-58fafbc092de X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A706B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks Otsisto, Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1700s man's embroidered vest > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_562.htm > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 14:21:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PILRtx019725 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:21:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6PILQkK016843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:21:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6PIJnsi046346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIJg6p060358; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIJV0j060214 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1398729926 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:19:28 -0500 Message-ID: <022401c7cee8$5c193980$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:19:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hat makers (or other people who use feathers) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad30a65f-462f-4eb7-9f9e-2e53b37090eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A794A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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My family is raising lots of exotic pheasants, peafowl, and other birds = and my house is starting to get flooded with 4 foot long peacock = feathers and 3 foot long zebra striped ones, shorter ones with red tips, = etc. Thanks Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 14:27:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIR01c020004 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:27:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6PIQxB1024898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:27:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6PIPHgQ047161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIPFij066831; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIPBcH066751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.126] (dial-209-148-114-126.sonic.net [209.148.114.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6PIOovI022055 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:25:04 -0700 Message-ID: <46A795BA.2070902@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:26:02 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat makers (or other people who use feathers) References: <022401c7cee8$5c193980$52a73743@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <022401c7cee8$5c193980$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a06e9d7-20f0-4703-bd5e-9f47682c1bbe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A795F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Land of Oz wrote: > Is there a market for long exotic feathers for things like decorating hats or _______ ? > > My family is raising lots of exotic pheasants, peafowl, and other birds and my house is starting to get flooded with 4 foot long peacock feathers and 3 foot long zebra striped ones, shorter ones with red tips, etc. > > Thanks > Denise B > Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 14:30:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIUoGG020220 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:30:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6PIUnP7026991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6PIUBTR047863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIU6Zv072306; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIU2RO072086 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so447971ugc for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nIzj+wOb/ne3DS34oqIAAzg+lmLsL95sIFuI+mpH27XKQx3foIG5AlxLfbP0q0MINJ9/wW4I2FZbL1AoH+Y3AJ06SSxqszvKXKyZuj2w4vZn6dRCALkgEAEMKK3H5AGGW5b7WVcnXcrwgs8y25+wC6LccovWzOWqU6rnAGFVp6E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ia0kACbYF9rhAE/z3BeMuDGCVnD4JnphJUYZks2TEMdDqX5TVQZmHWNM+euejrScckIIvkuzMcXqOj8W7FUDbp80eu8KvzBzZHWAX00awqCEr7bNlZsM5MeTaYLD7Be6CJj6MlW2FSztuLsuHSS1ROJzpJpVPQ9gWR2/an3srJg= Received: by 10.78.136.9 with SMTP id j9mr236292hud.1185388194431; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0707251129i6a68a84cg8af4a743b3989048@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:29:54 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat makers (or other people who use feathers) In-Reply-To: <022401c7cee8$5c193980$52a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <022401c7cee8$5c193980$52a73743@denise8541f2db> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6875f6b-1681-4a6f-9605-85f2e1ddfdee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46A796D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There's always a market for these feathers. FIrst check to see if the opera, theater in your area might want them for costuming. They would want a bunch but not necessarily hundreds at once. I don't know how long you've been collecting them. Check here, of course. I know there are millinary lists, but I don't know where they are. A good thing to do when you BUY feathers is to put them into a zip-lock bag (if they fit) and store them in the freezer for a week or two to kill any bugs and their eggs that might have hitched a ride before you add them to your stash. That will help keep your feathers bug-free. LynnD On 7/25/07, Land of Oz wrote: > Is there a market for long exotic feathers for things like decorating hats or _______ ? > > My family is raising lots of exotic pheasants, peafowl, and other birds and my house is starting to get flooded with 4 foot long peacock feathers and 3 foot long zebra striped ones, shorter ones with red tips, etc. > > Thanks > Denise B > Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 14:44:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIiP3V020887 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:44:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6PIiOxN006491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:44:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6PIgM5G050103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:42:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIgJGi087484; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:42:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6PIgG5t087329 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:42:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90763 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2007 18:42:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=s+lYBfD2nW8Q20IqrrtQQYguytXuU37RkNsZmo8EnQ6BAnIrwPMF1U9XFKmf4T4RA194bg2LBCSyC0u7MHE1Ba8xlw58NTGuQJalDE9UWmTRupSrHLALTRQv9R71BK17hFbGKA/W7AWUyeojCDtnWSbwWEZ2VoAmxILoF4XppDo=; X-YMail-OSG: kMttvhsVM1nxfJ4xPG3sZhX5VSvC7BfjuSPxnB2VU36osSbjmpi5kYhO_1LsLpoT7maz4s2j41zNF6LNqhIc_h7hNgxvFv.TxQzIrpgaCvI2oG.S0ZCu8bnUq.v4wQPEh7Up Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:10 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <210755.90759.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] boning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f05bf6c3-9a15-4ae7-a07f-f8152375e954 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A79A08.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I've got a question about boning. I'm doing this dress with a few adjustments, I've drawn them into the picture: http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/Berethdesign.jpg The bodice and the skirt are separately cut, the bodice also has a number of seams, as my friend for whom I'm doing this dress has a large bust and a small waist. The skirt has a train and is draped in the back. It's made from a lightweight taffeta, so all wrinkles are pretty well visible:-( So I thought about boning. I don't want it to be visible (a corset-top dress is really not my goal), so I'll attach it to the lining. My first question is, what lining fabric would you use for that purpose? A regular, thin acetate/polyester lining fabric?? Would the bones tear out? Would they be visible on the bodice, if the lining would be so thin? I'm going to use spiral steel bones, by the way. I think the best way is to attach them via bias stripes. I heard of a method of attaching a flannel fabric between the top fabric and the lining. Any experiences in that? I've ordered "Bridal couture" by Susan Khalje at amazon.com, this book is supposed to tell something about boning, but alas, I think it will come too late as I'm from Europe. The second question is, how long should the bones be? I think at the back it is sufficient to have them in the lower half of the bodice, but I'm not sure about the front - usually in pattern diagrams I see boning taht goes not higher than the bust, but I've never actually tried that and I'm not sure whether the ends will be visible or not. And, as I said, my friend has a large bust, which might affect this. It doesn't need support, as she'll be going to have a bra. Any suggestions? I'll be thankful to hear of any experience or advise. Many thanks, Zuzana P.S.: I know this has nothing to do with historical costumes, but I just thought some of you might be also doing bridal or evening wear, or just LOTR inspired costumes and might know something on the subject. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 14:49:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIn2iL021146 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:49:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6PIn1LI021798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:49:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6PIjpdF050912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIjodn091664; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PIjlvE091598 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1376813591 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:45:46 -0500 Message-ID: <02b201c7ceec$08ebe6f0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <022401c7cee8$5c193980$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <8296995c0707251129i6a68a84cg8af4a743b3989048@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat makers (or other people who use feathers) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:45:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c35484c-4369-49cb-a942-b92104ca69e1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A79B1D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > There's always a market for these feathers. FIrst check to see if the > opera, theater in your area might want them for costuming. They would > want a bunch but not necessarily hundreds at once. I don't know how > long you've been collecting them. Check here, of course. I know there > are millinary lists, but I don't know where they are. Thanks! I'll check out ebay to see what kinds of things are offered and what kinds of prices are to be had. We've had peafowl the longest, so we have several years' worth of those, and they get longer and more profuse every year. The Lady Amherst and Golden and __?___ pheasants are starting to produce some extraordinary feathers, but never very many at a time. Even the turkeys (Bourbon Red) have interesting feathers, although they don't have the "splash" and drape of the pheasants. If anyone here wants to write me privately to see about purchasing, feel free! I don't think this is the place for flat-out selling, but if you know of a list where it's welcomed, send info on that too, please. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 15:21:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PJLaj4022590 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:21:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6PJLZcc026091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:21:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6PJJhHl057685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PJJfeT030417; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PJJYgK030269 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A22A17360394; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:19:06 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <022401c7cee8$5c193980$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Subject: RE: [h-cost] hat makers (or other people who use feathers) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:19:24 -0700 Message-ID: <008d01c7cef0$b6096390$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfO6I0ysHerSDjyTcq02+b28HR34gACBRKA In-Reply-To: <022401c7cee8$5c193980$52a73743@denise8541f2db> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95b0f05d-30c1-465a-9096-706dc523aedf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A7A2BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes. With your permission, I would like to forward this email to a few people who might be interested. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] hat makers (or other people who use feathers) Is there a market for long exotic feathers for things like decorating hats or _______ ? My family is raising lots of exotic pheasants, peafowl, and other birds and my house is starting to get flooded with 4 foot long peacock feathers and 3 foot long zebra striped ones, shorter ones with red tips, etc. Thanks Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 17:48:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PLm78R029102 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:48:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6PLm503012439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:48:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6PLktar081690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PLkkDj090695; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PLkYCS090438 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:45:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:44:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:44:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <210755.90759.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] boning question Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:41:10 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 21:44:35.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE2365E0:01C7CF04] X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9e01e2a-4ec6-4dab-80a8-6929ae7cdacd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A7C515.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Are there two separate gowns here or is the under one "faked"? If they = are separate, you probably won't have to worry much about the boning = showing on the outer gown. Are you sure you actually need boning in the dress itself? Have you = considered an actual corset or under bodice, (like a corset without = boning)? The latter will give your friend a more rounded/mounded breast = shape. Both would take the stress off the gown. Either way, you could incase the boning in channels made in a firm = fabric like coutil then flat line that with lining and sew it to the = outer material like you would any other lining. You'd probably see the = ribs the least that way. =20 Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Zuzana Kraemerova=20 To: h-costume=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] boning question Hi, I've got a question about boning. I'm doing this dress with a few = adjustments, I've drawn them into the picture:=20 = http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/Berethdesign.jpg=20 The bodice and the skirt are separately cut, the bodice also has a = number of seams, as my friend for whom I'm doing this dress has a large = bust and a small waist. The skirt has a train and is draped in the back. = It's made from a lightweight taffeta, so all wrinkles are pretty well = visible:-( So I thought about boning. I don't want it to be visible (a = corset-top dress is really not my goal), so I'll attach it to the = lining.=20 My first question is, what lining fabric would you use for that = purpose? A regular, thin acetate/polyester lining fabric?? Would the = bones tear out? Would they be visible on the bodice, if the lining would = be so thin? I'm going to use spiral steel bones, by the way. I think the = best way is to attach them via bias stripes. I heard of a method of = attaching a flannel fabric between the top fabric and the lining. Any = experiences in that? I've ordered "Bridal couture" by Susan Khalje at = amazon.com, this book is supposed to tell something about boning, but = alas, I think it will come too late as I'm from Europe.=20 The second question is, how long should the bones be? I think at the = back it is sufficient to have them in the lower half of the bodice, but = I'm not sure about the front - usually in pattern diagrams I see boning = taht goes not higher than the bust, but I've never actually tried that = and I'm not sure whether the ends will be visible or not. And, as I = said, my friend has a large bust, which might affect this. It doesn't = need support, as she'll be going to have a bra.=20 Any suggestions? I'll be thankful to hear of any experience or advise. = Many thanks, Zuzana P.S.: I know this has nothing to do with historical costumes, but I = just thought some of you might be also doing bridal or evening wear, or = just LOTR inspired costumes and might know something on the subject. =20 --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new = Car Finder tool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 25 18:19:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PMJotB030438 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6PMJn3K025435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:19:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6PMIeWV085909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PMIdMv020923; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6PMIamI020804 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B2CDAFFE for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:18:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46A7CC3C.3050308@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:18:36 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] boning question References: <210755.90759.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <210755.90759.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1569049-1631-472b-b342-17988f12442e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A7CC85.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > My first question is, what lining fabric would you use for that purpose? A regular, thin acetate/polyester lining fabric?? Would the bones tear out? Would they be visible on the bodice, if the lining would be so thin? I'm going to use spiral steel bones, by the way. I think the best way is to attach them via bias stripes. I heard of a method of attaching a flannel fabric between the top fabric and the lining. Any experiences in that? I've ordered "Bridal couture" by Susan Khalje at amazon.com, this book is supposed to tell something about boning, but alas, I think it will come too late as I'm from Europe. > I think spiral steel is probably overkill. If you only need the boning to smooth out wrinkles, then use light poly/plastic boning. Personally, I'd use a cotton muslin for the bodice lining, and bias tape channels for the boning on the inside. > The second question is, how long should the bones be? As long as they need to be to make the bodice smooth where you want it to be smooth. That will probably be the length of the seam they are sewn against. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 00:26:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6Q4QPGu012783 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:26:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6Q4QNtv015242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:26:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6Q4PVCc032371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:25:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6Q4PR9M089862; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:25:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1h.socket.net [216.106.88.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6Q4POqd089826 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:25:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 73CEA3AF73 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:25:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1700s man's embroidered vest Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002a01c7cebe$50e0db10$d314a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60e9a00a-6dd9-4906-a3ac-d051c0d9126c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46A8226F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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De -----Original Message----- Thanks Otsisto, Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 01:00:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6Q50ds9014171 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:00:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6Q50cZw007544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:00:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6Q506mT036229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6Q504m7010603; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6Q501E0010565 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8AB700049 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:47:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:47:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707260047.47865.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 729d0bff-c4bc-49a4-a121-604402d629a1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A82A76.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Today on the World Wide Web I stumbled across an English summary by Australian reenactor Peter Beatson of a recent report in Russian, about a Viking era archaeological find at Pskov in Russia. Apparently a grave at a dig there turned up two characteristic tortoise brooches, together with some folded textiles, in a birchbark box. (They definitely were not on a human body.) The brooches had the remains of loops of "blue linen" around the pins inside them. The folded textiles were quite large. One was a panel, about a meter long and 26 cm wide, consisting of silk strips which the researchers deduced (on the basis of stitching marks that may have fastened loops) to be ornamentation from the top of an apron dress. The other piece appears to be a gathered neckline from a smock or underdress, in blue linen. A sketch of the possible appearance of these garments when new is provided, both with Beatson's summary and with the original Russian-language report by the Russian researchers. Beatson's summary: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/sarafan/sarafan.htm Russian report: http://pskovarheolog.ru/68.html -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 04:46:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6Q8kdao023675 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:46:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6Q8kaWY006690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6Q8jnKi066462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6Q8hOmf052665; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6Q8hJ5M052518 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70468 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2007 08:43:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qk0Lk9UQtzv+6P43xC+gVht24Va6n0HqaXbtRF0BR2vChIMN6pgNPk+STXbNh6dCQCv4VvFyyD2YWjlBbtCKkG1S7BaAPAhMH6U/gXlrOPIiMf8zJAtfD/MwuB8fS0M3VpZ86R6HgZwOnqtBPyJeFBeArbhcxe8CjZC+KPi4bXQ=; X-YMail-OSG: GHxwSeQVM1m0zeenj3thC06TPD.sI7mekKL9.qV6J7uoj_YUU0MhcuftNk3MzEtNYFrKKsB85eDShgtalqwEV0lhdE9UPsOFS0c6ALkMevsI_24MhwCE6JYva0BRHdNLAeta Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:43:14 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:43:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] boning question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <574064.70044.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06ce3712-bf0e-4122-95d0-d7c3c12968a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A85F6C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO "Are there two separate gowns here or is the under one "faked"? If they are separate, you probably won't have to worry much about the boning showing on the outer gown." There are two separate gowns, the undergown is made from a lace - actually embroidered tulle, so I don't bother about that, the lace hides everything. It's just the taffeta, we tried it on and the bodice wasn't smooth at all. Well, it wasn't pressed or anything yet, but it was clear to me it will need some "smoothing" process. The picture comes from www.rivendellbridal.com and all the gowns there are this fantasy style dresses, with long sleeves and skirts etc., actually no corset-style dresses. But all the bodices are nicely smooth and that's just because there's bones underneath, so I thought I might be needing something like that. Zuzana Saragrace Knauf wrote: Are there two separate gowns here or is the under one "faked"? If they are separate, you probably won't have to worry much about the boning showing on the outer gown. Are you sure you actually need boning in the dress itself? Have you considered an actual corset or under bodice, (like a corset without boning)? The latter will give your friend a more rounded/mounded breast shape. Both would take the stress off the gown. Either way, you could incase the boning in channels made in a firm fabric like coutil then flat line that with lining and sew it to the outer material like you would any other lining. You'd probably see the ribs the least that way. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] boning question Hi, I've got a question about boning. I'm doing this dress with a few adjustments, I've drawn them into the picture: http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/Berethdesign.jpg The bodice and the skirt are separately cut, the bodice also has a number of seams, as my friend for whom I'm doing this dress has a large bust and a small waist. The skirt has a train and is draped in the back. It's made from a lightweight taffeta, so all wrinkles are pretty well visible:-( So I thought about boning. I don't want it to be visible (a corset-top dress is really not my goal), so I'll attach it to the lining. My first question is, what lining fabric would you use for that purpose? A regular, thin acetate/polyester lining fabric?? Would the bones tear out? Would they be visible on the bodice, if the lining would be so thin? I'm going to use spiral steel bones, by the way. I think the best way is to attach them via bias stripes. I heard of a method of attaching a flannel fabric between the top fabric and the lining. Any experiences in that? I've ordered "Bridal couture" by Susan Khalje at amazon.com, this book is supposed to tell something about boning, but alas, I think it will come too late as I'm from Europe. The second question is, how long should the bones be? I think at the back it is sufficient to have them in the lower half of the bodice, but I'm not sure about the front - usually in pattern diagrams I see boning taht goes not higher than the bust, but I've never actually tried that and I'm not sure whether the ends will be visible or not. And, as I said, my friend has a large bust, which might affect this. It doesn't need support, as she'll be going to have a bra. Any suggestions? I'll be thankful to hear of any experience or advise. Many thanks, Zuzana P.S.: I know this has nothing to do with historical costumes, but I just thought some of you might be also doing bridal or evening wear, or just LOTR inspired costumes and might know something on the subject. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 12:33:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QGXnFY012188 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6QGXmWX023867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6QGWX1m041896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QGWQ6s031073; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QGW6qX030665 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c8a.e7565cb (40522) for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:31:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] boning question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e26b717-1269-41c3-8816-77fe3eac9dd6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A8CCEC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2007 4:46:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zkraemerova@yahoo.com writes: It's just the taffeta, we tried it on and the bodice wasn't smooth at all. Well, it wasn't pressed or anything yet, but it was clear to me it will need some "smoothing" process. You have lots of seams you can run boning on that won't show. As someone else already mentioned, it need not be spiral, but some 1/4" spiral boning in a casing sewn to the seam allowance of the pattern pieces would definitely do the trick. Rigelene would also work but isn't 1/4"....not that the boning need be that narrow. Also you might want to flat line the overdress pieces at least to the hips [where the boning should stop]. Flat lining being mounting the fashion fabric to another fabric before sewing anything together, then treating the 2 layers as one. I include this definition because I recently told someone to flat line something and they bag lined it instead...oops! You may even want to use a light flannel for the flat lining...something a little spongy...felty...to smooth things out. There would be no need to attach the flat lining across the fashion fabric at the hip level where the lining stopped. Just pink it [a hem might be bulky enough to show] and let it be free across the pattern piece. It will stay in place because the seams of the narrow pattern pieces are close enough. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 17:27:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QLRTAc027776 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:27:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6QLRSbn007765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:27:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6QLPJex009323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:25:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QLPC7h052924; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QLP77o052723 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.85]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070726212501.NFYD29331.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:25:01 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.85]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070726212451.JLAF7089.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:24:51 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:23:35 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find In-Reply-To: <200707262016.l6QKGbdn071763@net.indra.com> References: <200707262016.l6QKGbdn071763@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070726212451.JLAF7089.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 830aa1ee-1822-4bfe-a999-e24ae0a6eb15 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A911C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks Cathy! Beth At 03:16 PM 7/26/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:47:47 -0400 >From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > >Today on the World Wide Web I stumbled across an English summary by >Australian >reenactor Peter Beatson of a recent report in Russian, about a Viking era >archaeological find at Pskov in Russia. Apparently a grave at a dig there >turned up two characteristic tortoise brooches, together with some folded >textiles, in a birchbark box. (They definitely were not on a human body.) > >The brooches had the remains of loops of "blue linen" around the pins inside >them. The folded textiles were quite large. One was a panel, about a meter >long and 26 cm wide, consisting of silk strips which the researchers deduced >(on the basis of stitching marks that may have fastened loops) to be >ornamentation from the top of an apron dress. The other piece appears to be a >gathered neckline from a smock or underdress, in blue linen. A sketch of the >possible appearance of these garments when new is provided, both with >Beatson's summary and with the original Russian-language report by the >Russian researchers. > >Beatson's summary: >http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/sarafan/sarafan.htm > >Russian report: >http://pskovarheolog.ru/68.html > > >-- >Cathy Raymond _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 17:43:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QLhptt028604 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:43:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6QLhoS3024521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:43:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6QLg6S3015158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QLg2R2072225; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6QLfkmv071866 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so681107ugc for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:41:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=DoWtYpL67WvIkEDX0ARxyuN8ehQIR1Rr8gHmKP08z9/moM/26JJ6gJrcIejUslcIrSUZ/Y9C7iWmv3NGpsRxZYWCzNGMW8sQNwiYHDjRj+bRa3FlA55Eycsywq1EZJKnyJQVYIDAFPushJ+qSRA8H4Eg1Y0WlpCbXrxSkXxd6D4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VZvaTEDJv5Jk71mf1q7PIGgxpFy75IBazlgtL1hNMqPLhDB2LUKvcm5kqpeUlJXwDrRAovCrIjdfarP0pJndNY6jtymPLAqvh9HMgcSFNJWefKe09hX5H9MmJRqaP8Oyu4WilmIklOFPOq8+yAscpbx0VseHfbqccW6v2enOLr0= Received: by 10.82.178.11 with SMTP id a11mr1972863buf.1185486104734; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.151.12 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:41:44 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: boning question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 96053dda-055f-475e-be1a-28aafa08fbe7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46A91596.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What a lovely design! Bereth means Queen in Sindarin; which Queen are you costuming for? :-) I have a gown in progress that is a "design that might have been worn by Thranduil's Queen in the Great Greenwood", and I just adore all the movie costumes (and many of the examples of similar designs I've seen!). I think you'd only need the plastic stuff, well-padded, to smooth out the lines--the metal might be too heavy for your fabric. Cheers, Meli (also a LOTR costume fan...) On 7/26/07, Zuzana wrote: > > > I've got a question about boning. I'm doing this dress with a few > adjustments, I've drawn them into the picture: > > http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/Berethdesign.jpg > > The bodice and the skirt are separately cut, the bodice also has a number > of seams, as my friend for whom I'm doing this dress has a large bust and a > small waist. The skirt has a train and is draped in the back. It's made from > a lightweight taffeta, so all wrinkles are pretty well visible:-( So I > thought about boning. I don't want it to be visible (a corset-top dress is > really not my goal), so I'll attach it to the lining. > > My first question is, what lining fabric would you use for that purpose? A > regular, thin acetate/polyester lining fabric?? Would the bones tear out? > Would they be visible on the bodice, if the lining would be so thin? I'm > going to use spiral steel bones, by the way. I think the best way is to > attach them via bias stripes. I heard of a method of attaching a flannel > fabric between the top fabric and the lining. Any experiences in that? I've > ordered "Bridal couture" by Susan Khalje at amazon.com, this book is > supposed to tell something about boning, but alas, I think it will come too > late as I'm from Europe. > > The second question is, how long should the bones be? I think at the back > it is sufficient to have them in the lower half of the bodice, but I'm not > sure about the front - usually in pattern diagrams I see boning taht goes > not higher than the bust, but I've never actually tried that and I'm not > sure whether the ends will be visible or not. And, as I said, my friend has > a large bust, which might affect this. It doesn't need support, as she'll be > going to have a bra. > > Any suggestions? I'll be thankful to hear of any experience or advise. > Many thanks, > > Zuzana > > P.S.: I know this has nothing to do with historical costumes, but I just > thought some of you might be also doing bridal or evening wear, or just LOTR > inspired costumes and might know something on the subject. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 21:13:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R1DOFt004738 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:13:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6R1DNLt029370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:13:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6R1BJ91059008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R1BFhJ056285; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R1BB2B056212 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bf1.187a6fd9 (14467) for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:10:55 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Moliere X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52578ac4-7440-4be7-a866-daf4ef12ef38 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A946B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO So, has anyone seen this yet? The trailer is not promising costume-wise. Indeed, the women's gowns look like they are all the same dress in different fabrics. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 21:50:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R1oc6h006291 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:50:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6R1obkl019015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:50:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6R1mcCp064825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R1mbZO081375; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R1mYrY081349 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:48:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50204700049 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:36:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200707262016.l6QKGbdn071763@net.indra.com> <20070726212451.JLAF7089.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20070726212451.JLAF7089.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707262136.09836.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c0be34e-6675-492c-a9a9-07fe3d493a8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A94F6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thursday 26 July 2007, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Thanks Cathy! You're welcome! I wouldn't mind starting a discussion about this find. I stumbled across the article while I was and work (and, admittedly, while I should have been doing something else) and in my first hurried scan thought that they had actually found an intact, whole apron dress. They haven't, but they found a much bigger piece than anyone else has found to date. On the other hand, the fragment they found poses some serious questions. The holes the researchers believe to be stitching holes indicating where the front loops were are in locations that are 85 cm apart. That's about 34 inches! If you've ever tried to make an apron dress, you'd know that it's difficult to make the dress stay put if you put the front loops much further apart than about 20 cm (the distance of the loop locations in one of the Birka finds, according to the summary). That's about 8 inches, and that's roughly the distance I've used for mine. The summary notes that the researchers posited wearing a narrow (i.e., 20 cm or so) apron over the apron dress. The problem with that is that it would almost completely hide the silk--and why would you want to do that? I'm wondering if the only surviving bit of the apron dress isn't the loops inside the brooches, and if the silk isn't part of a different garment altogether. Alternatively, the "stitching holes" may have been misinterpreted, and the loops may have been sewn onto a linen area above the silk applique that didn't survive. I'm thinking of attempting my own re-creation based on the summary and the pictures, just to see what I can learn thereby. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 23:26:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R3QbiX007930 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:26:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6R3QaUT031568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:26:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6R3OZoo083766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R3OYuk054934; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R3OVtU054903 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:24:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.234.33] (phil2033.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.234.33]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590D85D0AF for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46A9656B.6020505@dandy.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:24:27 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find References: <200707262016.l6QKGbdn071763@net.indra.com> <20070726212451.JLAF7089.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <200707262136.09836.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200707262136.09836.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ed8e042-8f0f-4a6f-88a6-9dd58d2b65bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A965EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, All. Is it possible that the outer garment was wrapped around in some way and that the loops line up based on that? I realize that the "front" part, the section that is higher up, needs to be centered to fit correctly (perhaps it isn't the front after all, but the back???). I am probably looking at it wrong or am misunderstanding the concept, but I would be curious (and glad of any interpretation) because I'd like to recreate one for my wife. It sounds like a comfortable garment. Cheers, Mike T. > >I wouldn't mind starting a discussion about this find. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 26 23:27:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R3R66u007943 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:27:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6R3R5MH024643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6R3O7ue083675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R3O4Vv054637; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R3O1tA054602 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 33B7D361C2 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:23:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Moliere Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:24:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e4615c4-d4bb-472c-9a0c-b71884721e18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A96609.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/8.jpg.html?hint=group http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/13.jpg.html?hint=group not my area of interest but the costumes seem to be close to the era depicted. You may be right about the same style, though the first picture the woman on the left end is different. -----Original Message----- So, has anyone seen this yet? The trailer is not promising costume-wise. Indeed, the women's gowns look like they are all the same dress in different fabrics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 00:00:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R40nUN008493 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:00:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6R40muh020977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:00:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6R3tVRt088252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R3tU4P075747; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R3tRVg075710 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DC4700049 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:43:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200707262016.l6QKGbdn071763@net.indra.com> <200707262136.09836.cathy@thyrsus.com> <46A9656B.6020505@dandy.net> In-Reply-To: <46A9656B.6020505@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707262343.00729.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36d26575-c749-4655-b603-02a686362a24 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A96DF0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thursday 26 July 2007, michael tartaglio wrote: > Hi, All. Is it possible that the outer garment was wrapped around in > some way and that the loops line up based on that? I realize that the > "front" part, the section that is higher up, needs to be centered to fit > correctly (perhaps it isn't the front after all, but the back???). It's worth considering every possibility, since all we have is a one-meter by 26 cm square of cloth, with two thin strips coming off two of the corners. :-) I think, though, that the problem with assuming that the biggest section is not the front is that it is composed entirely of silk; blue and purple silk at that. Silk was not so common in the Viking world that you'd put it on any part of a garment that was unlikely to be seen, and purple silk was likely to have been rather expensively dyed. By the way, I'm not really convinced by the theory that the back *was* lower than the front. I've been experimenting with paper cut-out pieces, and it seems to me that you'd get a similar result with a tube that was the same height front and back if you took the big silk piece, edged it with a silk strip all around except for the top edge (like the find) and after you placed it on the garment, extended the edging along the top edge of the garment in the back. When/if I make my sample garment, I'll take plenty of photos and post them so I can better explain what I mean. > I am > probably looking at it wrong or am misunderstanding the concept, but I > would be curious (and glad of any interpretation) because I'd like to > recreate one for my wife. The best thing I can tell you, Mike, is to read Beatson's summary and study the pictures and sketches. Then you'll know as much as I know now. :-) If you read Russian, go to the Pskov researchers' own site and read *their* report. (If you do that, note, as Beatson does, that they refer to the apron dress as a "sarafan" and the shift as a "rubakha" because those are familiar historic clothing terms for similar items to someone who's got a background in Russian clothing history.) > It sounds like a comfortable garment. I've made similar wraparound garments and yes, they tend to be very comfortable indeed. Here are some photos. This one is my interpretation of the Adwick-le-Street find in England: http://www.slumberland.org/gallery/album07/Picture_020 This one is based on the Birka find that Agnes Geijer believed was two dresses, one over the other wrapped in opposite directions: http://www.slumberland.org/gallery/album07/Picture_006 This one is the exact opposite of the Adwick dress; it has two sets of long loops and one set of short ones, instead of the other way around: http://www.slumberland.org/gallery/album07/Picture_018 And this one is a tube with the top front taken in with pleats; it's based on a Danish find: http://www.slumberland.org/gallery/album07/Eura_006 Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 00:05:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R45fBL008577 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:05:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6R45eRi008003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:05:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6R441Ix089394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R440tV081015; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R43vYo080935 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1185509025-0d7a00c90001-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1185509025 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 6912925CD8E for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:03:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC80029E53C for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:03:51 +0200 Message-ID: <1dc001c7d003$41987be0$9c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200707260047.47865.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find Subject: Re: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:04:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0e2b53f-4716-4c2b-a8a5-2ba5684e1afb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A96F14.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not surprisingly, I don't speak Russian, but on the Russian site it looks to me like that second smaller sketch shows the front of the apron folded into that shape--sort of like a giant box pleat held in place by the brooches--rather than with a second narrower apron over it. At least, it makes a lot more sense to me that way. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 03:16:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R7Gd3T007546 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:16:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6R7GcLO011979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:16:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6R7EOk9031617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6R7EKf2022109; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6R7EGK0021974 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33064 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2007 07:14:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=olJrohCdsTwz4a9451bS944w7fVeXvGLk6qV1yhtgO4RuWrJMrG101sZ3h+ZBVgD7be8Eo5S8t2z1uLXSiNfFgU4DOR0xWrCoNfaIWo/T+qfWCgQzqQhrJfJ/3m2ey5Ou6ePsUOsg7IKEfLmLdB49Mpbbb7YlLaYD0T8EkjRVbQ=; X-YMail-OSG: tSEGKIUVM1mk94.VGQpbL2BMIlQ3UhzDePrJhOvWZSbO8_vB7VUhL1MORRdbGGixAQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:14:10 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: boning question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <735883.30789.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 271bb7b7-d1a8-45b5-a4bc-6b06b47b170c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A99BD6.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi! Nice you're interested:-)) It's gonna be a wedding dress for a friend of mine - I'm also doing the man's outfit and cloaks for both of them, so all LOTR costume style:-)) Have you tried any dresses of that style? Do you have pictures? I really would be interested...:-)) You can have a look at the fabrics I'm using: http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/dress.jpg Thanks for all the suggestions! I always get more confident about doing something after asking the h-costume list...:-) I think I'll make a muslin lining and try both sorts of boning, lenghts, too, but I guess plastic will win, spiral steel, really is too heavy...:-) Zuzana Sharon Henderson wrote: What a lovely design! Bereth means Queen in Sindarin; which Queen are you costuming for? :-) I have a gown in progress that is a "design that might have been worn by Thranduil's Queen in the Great Greenwood", and I just adore all the movie costumes (and many of the examples of similar designs I've seen!). I think you'd only need the plastic stuff, well-padded, to smooth out the lines--the metal might be too heavy for your fabric. Cheers, Meli (also a LOTR costume fan...) On 7/26/07, Zuzana wrote: > > > I've got a question about boning. I'm doing this dress with a few > adjustments, I've drawn them into the picture: > > http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/Berethdesign.jpg > > The bodice and the skirt are separately cut, the bodice also has a number > of seams, as my friend for whom I'm doing this dress has a large bust and a > small waist. The skirt has a train and is draped in the back. It's made from > a lightweight taffeta, so all wrinkles are pretty well visible:-( So I > thought about boning. I don't want it to be visible (a corset-top dress is > really not my goal), so I'll attach it to the lining. > > My first question is, what lining fabric would you use for that purpose? A > regular, thin acetate/polyester lining fabric?? Would the bones tear out? > Would they be visible on the bodice, if the lining would be so thin? I'm > going to use spiral steel bones, by the way. I think the best way is to > attach them via bias stripes. I heard of a method of attaching a flannel > fabric between the top fabric and the lining. Any experiences in that? I've > ordered "Bridal couture" by Susan Khalje at amazon.com, this book is > supposed to tell something about boning, but alas, I think it will come too > late as I'm from Europe. > > The second question is, how long should the bones be? I think at the back > it is sufficient to have them in the lower half of the bodice, but I'm not > sure about the front - usually in pattern diagrams I see boning taht goes > not higher than the bust, but I've never actually tried that and I'm not > sure whether the ends will be visible or not. And, as I said, my friend has > a large bust, which might affect this. It doesn't need support, as she'll be > going to have a bra. > > Any suggestions? I'll be thankful to hear of any experience or advise. > Many thanks, > > Zuzana > > P.S.: I know this has nothing to do with historical costumes, but I just > thought some of you might be also doing bridal or evening wear, or just LOTR > inspired costumes and might know something on the subject. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 09:08:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RD8LfD027358 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:08:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RD8Khk000460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RD5xS5004775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RD5kaD001649; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RD5g9Z001567 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070727130542.QKEX13593.fep35.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:05:42 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.188]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070727130541.GJCR9217.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:05:41 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c7d04e$d50ca270$bc14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:05:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.188] at Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:05:36 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 637bf2ef-4256-442d-8181-78af9eeeffd5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46A9EE44.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You better buy the old DVD with Teatre du Solleils version of Mollieres life. Even it is so old now, the costumes are stunning beautifull............... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] Moliere > So, has anyone seen this yet? > > The trailer is not promising costume-wise. Indeed, the women's gowns look > like they are all the same dress in different fabrics. > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 09:10:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RDAUew027426 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:10:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RDAT11029544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RD8cDa005312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RD8c6h004438; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RD8Yj2004385 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070727130834.QNDO13593.fep35.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:08:34 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.188]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070727130834.GJXU10547.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:08:34 +0200 Message-ID: <002d01c7d04f$3c5c6370$bc14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:08:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.188] at Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:08:29 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4a4c58f-6fe4-42fb-8f63-beaec988d207 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46A9EEC5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And they need some more width in their skirts two. Very scarce fabric use in my oppinion. The lady in the front wears her off the shoulder much two deep two. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Moliere > http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/8.jpg.html?hint=group > http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/13.jpg.html?hint=group > not my area of interest but the costumes seem to be close to the era > depicted. You may be right about the same style, though the first picture > the woman on the left end is different. > > -----Original Message----- > So, has anyone seen this yet? > > The trailer is not promising costume-wise. Indeed, the women's gowns look > like they are all the same dress in different fabrics. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 09:46:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RDkBLY028593 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:46:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RDkAJW028666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:46:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RDi8tX010948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:44:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RDi7mK038381; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:44:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RDi323038243 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d41.ecd5506 (65100) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:43:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:43:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a76cceb0-64e9-4e47-87d0-f736788a9ae8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46A9F722.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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A search for Teatre du Solleils gets me no results. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 11:02:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RF2Ikp031219 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:02:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RF2Hv4024916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:02:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RF0AV7025459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RF06d4016069; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RF01oo015871 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d45.ebc3f13 (65100) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:59:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77512d8d-f2bc-470c-837c-af6f591abd3d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AA08F9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2007 9:45:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Seriously, what is the film's title? What year? Who's in it? A search for Teatre du Solleils gets me no results. *********** Is it this one? From 1978? _http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077941/_ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077941/) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 13:06:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RH6heE002884 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:06:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RH6fBH018844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:06:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RH4ufA059268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RH4qAc049738; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6RH4nXI049592 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85075 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2007 17:04:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sufcEA7GeVnNI7KlqzjrCchqpkw4EgnIHghBhflkH41KsS3Ko1vT9IYEITROkVVBvDLugDQvOt/JbvdyNTb3S4l5EzRsagcAXYi3M7KYEJT6XY7IPvaVbyJqDZrttJWRjll3v7hHd1rx4tDzvBSq72CUMNCpyD9ND8FAkETIeNQ=; X-YMail-OSG: MtFdb24VM1l7PWK63e1OPnfKfNwdrCp6FgfKWHtesatF9ZlR3xVWn_F4A6HAoJUZn6YQkJopQ3FSBuTCEQPdQWTMMelinb8f.O0U7TC_z7w0FGY6oNcLlDAGVhu7nA-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:04:43 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] Moliere To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <28078.84993.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79f48b93-ee80-461a-8d3d-332790f3cbcd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AA2622.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 13:15:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RHFYxM003196 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:15:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RHFX7e015646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:15:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RHCRMY061560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RHCP7L057785; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RHCMM7057640 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-75-71-69-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net[75.71.69.170]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070727171215m1200fm9abe>; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:12:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <28078.84993.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <28078.84993.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <271e82bca8655ed5db74e05396b37dea@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:12:14 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff6a7ca2-1c3a-433f-9a83-9a05743a4304 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AA2835.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wouldnt the skits have more understructure? I forget what they wore under them in this period but it seems they should be sticking out a bit more. Sylrog On Jul 27, 2007, at 11:04 AM, MaggiRos wrote: > The skirts sure seem to be a skimping on fabric. > > MaggiRos > > > --- otsisto wrote: > >> > http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/8.jpg.html?hint=group >> > http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/13.jpg.html? > hint=group >> not my area of interest but the costumes seem to be >> close to the era >> depicted. You may be right about the same style, >> though the first picture >> the woman on the left end is different. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> So, has anyone seen this yet? >> >> The trailer is not promising costume-wise. Indeed, >> the women's gowns look >> like they are all the same dress in different >> fabrics. >> >> > > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. > Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 13:29:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RHT40E003587 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:29:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RHT3as026431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:29:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RHQuIe066292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RHQth7073414; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:26:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6RHQpuN073172 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:26:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95859 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2007 17:26:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PA2bgvksUJwtQSIEz5xg+T1Qe0PAyoOjVVPZUidneVH3IPU6mQdEgv1O8FVxVFD/Ocx46488I7CzRBTR5CWFgPnkuWqQf64sSLfDx2D9T48L/8f79n+smmslIgXAM9PngPuQxudzjC1kTNyts3qUW903Cqj/mK6w0t/UdRf8Bvo=; X-YMail-OSG: Q78YngEVM1lbl2t8m_sKKtrOYyJHoXmhindZxOqB6upglePdB6z4JQiuQgCUHM1_SJ.K4Y1VWO2eNLMF5FOaUIYw1wPkY0WQSc3YDofay0Jj1p5CuR0- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:26:46 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <271e82bca8655ed5db74e05396b37dea@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <176850.95316.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39e222c6-3ae9-42e0-bd17-78e834d01d63 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AA2B5F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't think so. It's 1665 or so, right? Lots of petticotes, but the farthingale is out and the panniere hasn't come in. A long corset, some kind of bum roll, but no frame for the skirt. Think of Faye Dunnaway getting undressed in the Richard Lester "Three Musketeers". Yes, that's earlier but the idea is similar. Enough fabric in the skirts, and cutting the panels in gores instead of squares, would make them drape properly, which is probably what you're reacting to. MaggiRos ~not my era but I spent a lot of time researching the clothes for a novel. --- Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Wouldnt the skits have more understructure? I > forget what they wore > under them in this period but it seems they should > be sticking out a > bit more. > > Sylrog > > On Jul 27, 2007, at 11:04 AM, MaggiRos wrote: > > > The skirts sure seem to be a skimping on fabric. > > > > MaggiRos > > > > > > --- otsisto wrote: > > > >> > > > http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/8.jpg.html?hint=group > >> > > > http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0796335/Ss/0796335/13.jpg.html? > > > hint=group > >> not my area of interest but the costumes seem to > be > >> close to the era > >> depicted. You may be right about the same style, > >> though the first picture > >> the woman on the left end is different. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> So, has anyone seen this yet? > >> > >> The trailer is not promising costume-wise. > Indeed, > >> the women's gowns look > >> like they are all the same dress in different > >> fabrics. > >> > >> > > > > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. > > Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically > Everything > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 13:33:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RHXCLV003721 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:33:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RHXB5D032325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RHUvbJ067691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RHUuFq078102; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RHUm1C077934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6RHWc2O002944 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:32:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46AA2BC5.8080604@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:30:45 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere References: <28078.84993.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <271e82bca8655ed5db74e05396b37dea@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <271e82bca8655ed5db74e05396b37dea@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57827a3c-117f-4059-bbd2-cd0a80ddea47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AA2C57.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You can easily see their knees outlined by the skirts. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 14:26:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RIQfMD005360 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:26:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RIQffH029167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:26:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RIOUmC078832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:24:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RIORGs034165; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:24:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RIONOf033978 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070727182417.ZHIN15137.fep31.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:24:17 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.188]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070727182417.GJQM1162.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:24:17 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c7d07b$570dde70$bc14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:24:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.188] at Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:24:10 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bc90d98-e66b-4691-bc64-233dfe0b0703 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AA38E1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Yes this is the title. Then you can have it after all........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere > > In a message dated 7/27/2007 9:45:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > > Seriously, what is the film's title? What year? Who's in it? A search > for > Teatre du Solleils gets me no results. > > > > *********** > > Is it this one? From 1978? > > _http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077941/_ > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077941/) > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 16:21:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKLhdY009315 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:21:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RKLgOO019684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:21:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RKJcvG097675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKJV2g049461; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RERkea079992 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070727142740.TWYQ13612.fep33.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:27:40 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.188]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070727142740.GLDB13901.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:27:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c7d05a$4c47b3b0$bc14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:27:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.188] at Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:27:34 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08d9225c-ece0-4b2b-bab1-6a00ac65ea02 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AA53D6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It would be a problem with the regions. I got mine from Amazon france. Only in french and no text, but i baught it for the eyecandy. And its a long film, more than 3 hours. The time is brilliant, starting with the cavallier style when he was a child, and see how the styles changes trough the times, at the end the fontanges are in fashion........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere > > In a message dated 7/27/2007 9:07:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > You better buy the old DVD with Teatre du Solleils version of Mollieres > life. Even it is so old now, the costumes are stunning > beautifull............... > > > > *************** > > I'd love to! If it can be had in region 1 format! :-P > > Seriously, what is the film's title? What year? Who's in it? A search > for > Teatre du Solleils gets me no results. > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 16:22:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKMXP2009340 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:22:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RKMWal001473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:22:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RKL08N097922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKKxjO051290; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6RHARBC055616 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:10:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72438 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2007 17:10:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gOPToirA099xeYZwqn/FT9ZvpG4xw5lAVlwYAOUk3WqkCj1DKyWb2GKn0Fo7XRZjo83Q4CDuRQEsEZHCeXOsCCBBdnRAZ/ISRR74tOf4cXb2h7ckB2warOgsXvymhhhOX1WX7m2gsy89vWYmtU6aQ7NSPhX/vE5dmZhgbY+utLE=; X-YMail-OSG: 4KfOA8IVM1meQPWKZLzFTNgKiErFwgMQOYXOG8j6OMwUH_QgE_9cU9vQn_DBI5Fz65N0VlPcd.RDkrJjJtaRUYfejeopTptLsBvSOaozYdwZSUcF1vs- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:10:22 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere To: AlbertCat@aol.com, Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <568016.72292.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: faddc119-5bb5-46ce-8568-e9a685ee6f72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AA5408.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Amazon.com has two (from the used and new sellers) but the user reviews tell us the Region 1 version has no subtitles. Have to watch it just for the pictures, I guess, unless your French is much better than mine. No no, go ahead. I won't grab it. :-) MaggiRos --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/27/2007 9:45:16 A.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > > Seriously, what is the film's title? What year? > Who's in it? A search for > Teatre du Solleils gets me no results. > > > > *********** > > Is it this one? From 1978? > > _http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077941/_ > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077941/) > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 16:41:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKftmf009939 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RKfrjv026921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RKe7wD000812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKe63k071019; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKe30X070971 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so790500ika for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:40:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Vjvn0ODIUp520W1GZAlM/2tUzwkDvmd7sIXiduZ3dKdk+16afE5IVPdObUkpJzZdgxWVAgR1Fjg6ItQbkKY9DvuTuUymSDRDV1GvDihHHM2mrQB9hfEhgisqgPbVs1Q7qaD4TE43dbKEbbvzM6k4Q5kA7X0/7wTh2LS8hNd4txY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=N0n60lUBLbjGe7bVUf7lGxVr3uNMbnVcnhisKSJ1B+Nc/f3A/nyI4TcSyO601RcOE8L/QR4TrQzrRHw+wH5eoaDnLt5aEtdASRFn4iA7z2hXOtI4GDWZjxZ907oy1Nu6M+sclBq29bTc2jgZbBrQZ5I/fk+Dcwx+lpT0LLHefTE= Received: by 10.78.130.6 with SMTP id c6mr848858hud.1185568802686; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:40:02 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: GBACGcostumers@yahoogroups.com, "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 051551b6-a6bc-4414-9966-73f6f873f32f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AA5892.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO (Sorry for the cross-post) I'm out of my design league and could really use some help from anyone who has worked in the 1880s era. I'm making a gown for my 16-year old daughter for a ball in March. After looking through all my books, she has chosen one from "Victorian and Edwardian Fashions from 'La Mode Illustree' ", edited by J. Olian (Dover). "Her" dress is the first one on page 60, an elegant ball gown from 1880. Unfortunately, the legend only says that it's made of satin, no more info. First, I'm a bit concerned about whether the dress will flatter her or not. She's 5' nothing and curvy. She's in proportion but weighs 125-130, so she's kinda built along the lines of Jennifer Rabbit only not so tall. Should I try to guide her away from this style and suggest more bustle, from maybe 1875 instead? I first thought of making the bustle a bit wider but maybe the thinness of this bustle dress is a good thing for my girl, to lengthen and slenderize. Yes? No? Her initial criteria: it has to be dark blue, it has to have a train, it has to rustle, it has to be beautiful. No pressure, Mom. Normally, I'll keep a picture of the design near me for several days so I can dream on it and kind of work out the kinks before I purchase anything, but time is tight. I'm going to Costume College and will have a day for shopping in the fabric district before I have to come home to the real world of work and family. While I'm in LA I can pick up the fabric and maybe even the trim, but I haven't any idea of how much material that dress will require. She may only wear this dress a couple times, so I'm going to go with a changeable poly taffeta rather than silk. I usually buy 10 yards minimum, but I haven't a clue how much that skirt might require. I'm guessing 2 for the bodice, another 2 for the underskirt, but where do I go from there? Is 10 yards enough or will I need more? Too much? Do you think there are two dark colors in this dress or only one? I'll probably trim/contrast with black if two colors. So there's not too much contrast. I'll use a heavy, twice-worked lace to reproduce that embroidery on the edges. And the yards and yards of lighter laces on the dress, both dark and light. How can one gauge - from a picture - how much to buy? I'm already working on Laughing Moon's corset pattern for her and I'll get the bustle pattern from Truly Victorian while I'm at College. I've made one of each of their two bustles and they work wonderfully, but my size is too big for Terry. I'll probably go to TV for the bodice and skirt patterns too because I don't feel comfortable draping yet, but I'd sure like any suggestions or help you can give me. I've done several Elizabethan outfits and several more 1840s-60s but never anything so late =96 even though I have plans to make one for myself. I swear I'm not asking for you to make the darned thing, but it's overwhelming me right now with the many things I don't know about this style. Thanks for any help you can toss my way, LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 16:46:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKkH6Y010076 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:46:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RKkGHu031875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:46:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RKibEY001831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKib5v075724; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RKiXZW075597 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id NAA22070 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:44:28 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070727134053.02881100@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:44:27 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Re: Article on Russian Viking-era find X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac472b26-26b8-478e-bf6f-1748a6b21841 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AA5998.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am excited to reproduce the apron skirt and tunic. This is really exciting to me as one of my first loves is the Viking stuff. (Mind you it is all play for me I am not a serious historian but I strive for some authenticity. Anyway, with the info about the colors and the decoration, and the assumed style, I always like to try to do that in my feeble way. And I do have some blue and red silk remnants that should be perfect. Thank you for submitting the article on the list. Beverly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 17:16:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLGuke011139 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:16:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RLGtSA014872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:16:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RLA8Wj006420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLA427000742; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLA0X7000657 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:10:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l6RL9wT11039 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:09:58 -0500 To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <1185570598.46aa5f26d3f39@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:09:58 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <000c01c7d05a$4c47b3b0$bc14a150@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000c01c7d05a$4c47b3b0$bc14a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f5790e2-00cb-466c-bb62-d656712ae184 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AA60C7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am making a linen 4-panel, front/back/sides-gored variation on the Gothic Fitted Dress. Usually, when I do this, I cut eight gores (4 rectangles cut diagonally) and sew them in, straight-to-straight and bias-to-bias. This time, I cleverly thought "If I fold it in quarters first, and then cut, I'll have three isosceles triangles and two right triangles. Fewer seams!" But now that means I'm facing sewing straight-to-bias for at least three of the gores, if not all four. I know that one side effect will be the tendancy of the fabric to pucker where the bias edge stretches and the straight edge does not. I seem to have two choices: Do I: hang the gores from the point for a few days to allow the fabric to stretch out before sewing them in place (which may or may not prevent puckering after the fact)? Do I: cut each triangle in half so I have my familliar eight gores (six of them being a little narrower than expected because I didn't factor in seam allowance)? I assume there will be a difference in drape between the two, I don't know whether or not it will be enough of a difference to matter. (Will one way make the skirt stand out more?) Has anyone done this? Have you noticed a difference? Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 17:20:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLKoJc011287 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:20:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RLKnOR016494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:20:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RLIw2q007877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLIvAd009082; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLIrC6008956 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c95.15e80d07 (39954) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:18:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:18:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b3ab896-bf76-4933-85f8-5a4e149e4838 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AA61B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2007 1:27:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maggiros@yahoo.com writes: Enough fabric in the skirts, and cutting the panels in gores instead of squares, would make them drape properly, which is probably what you're reacting to. ************ Looks more 1640s....maybe 1650s, because this takes place before the great plays were written. [Another "great artists have no imagination but everything is autobiographical" film...like "Amadeus" or "Immortal Beloved"...yuck!] 1650s...which makes me think Vermeer or ter Borch. By then the bodice usually has a boned lining that is really a corset and skirts are not skimpy but don't have much underpinnings. Maybe a petticoat. They fall straight in deep pleats from the cartridge pleating. These yardages might be good for a maid, but not ladies in society. And the decollatage is too low. There's just not much variety in the gowns. They are all the same. Remember the "Cyrano" with Gerard Depardue? Think of all the different...and correct looks on the women in that film. Not here! It reminded me of the skimpiness you see in some recent 17th century films, like "Marie Antoinette"... which doesn't translate as skimpiness but rather a kind of delicateness. This is in keeping with the type of decoration you see in the late 17th century. But the Baroque sensibility is heavier, more lush and thick with ornament. It doesn't work in "Moliere". IMHO of course.... ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 17:30:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLUQFF011588 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:30:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RLUPpk014140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:30:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RLSTKk009353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLSPAa017333; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLSLgD017154 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c44.1b09f434 (39954) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:28:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:28:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67ce6407-03c4-44b3-8965-0e0428f4a88f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AA63F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2007 4:21:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maggiros@yahoo.com writes: unless your French is much better than mine *********** That's a laugh! When we did the miniseries "The Wedding", the designer brought all these great 1950's clothes from LA for the extras. Well, they were all size 4 thru 8. The black ladies we had down here in NC couldn't get an arm into them! The designer started calling the big girls "Fried Chicken Ladies". Well, we couldn't say that in front of them so we started using "Les dames du poulet frit"...I mean "Les belle dames du poulet frit". There...my French! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 17:35:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLZWD3011754 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:35:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RLZVK0014577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:35:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RLXjuN010319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLXiBP022311; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RLXfZL022161 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:33:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d22.bb4eb3d (39954) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:33:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8666ae7-aa64-4606-a5cb-5299afc4c70d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AA6523.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: This is in keeping with the type of decoration you see in the late 17th century. oops...I meant the 18th century.... ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 18:04:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RM4iql012976 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:04:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RM4huM023598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:04:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RM2d1p014708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RM2Zhw046882; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RM2WY2046825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:02:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.190] (dial-209-148-114-190.sonic.net [209.148.114.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6RM2TfB016067 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:02:30 -0700 Message-ID: <46AA6B77.9030907@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:02:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown References: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 490ed065-011c-46e0-970b-7b81109cd005 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AA6BFB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have that Dover book, but my books have far overflowed my bookshelves and are stacked high all over the floors. So I can't pull it out right away to ID the picture. I can barely move my in-front-of-the-computer chair for piles of books related to the (long overdue) one I'm working on now. If it helps any, I've published two books on late 1870s and early 1880s women's clothing, with patterns. The series is called Fashions of the Gilded Age, and the two volumes can be used independently. Volume 2 contains the patterns for evening and ball gowns, and a dressmaking manual, but Volume 1 has the patterns for corsets, bustles, undergarments, etc. First, I'm a bit concerned about whether the > dress will flatter her or not. She's 5' nothing and curvy. She's in > proportion but weighs 125-130, so she's kinda built along the lines of > Jennifer Rabbit only not so tall. Should I try to guide her away from > this style and suggest more bustle, from maybe 1875 instead? I think the minimal-bustle "natural form era" styles, which is what this is, look better on shorter women than on very tall and slender ones. Tall women can wind up looking like a pole in them, if they are not careful. (I'm 4'9", BTW.) I usually buy 10 yards minimum, but I haven't a clue how > much that skirt might require. That's my standard buying amount for costumes I don't have yardage for. But this is a period where different fabrics are commonly combined for evening dresses. OK, I managed to dig up my office copy of Volume 2 of Fashions of the Gilded Age. Here's a pattern for an evening dress with a long train. The yardage given is 6 yards of velvet for the bodice and trained skirt back, 7 3/4 yards of satin for the skirt itself, and 3 1/4 yard of brocaded gauze to arrange over the skirt. Here's a pattern for another evening dress, with a trained skirt back and more of a bustle effect, made entirely of canary yellow satin, requiring 20 yards 20 inches wide. Which is a point to consider for these yardages: They're not talking about modern 54" wide fabric. There are two tables of period widths for a large variety of fabrics, in the dressmaking manual in back. They vary from fabric to fabric; but if you assume a width of not more than 36" in these descriptions, you should come out OK. Here's a pattern for a reception dress with a moderate bustle effect and no train. It requires 12 yards of black satin duchesse and 5 1/2 yards of black brocade, 24 inches wide. Here's a pattern for a satin and brocade evening dress with a rather short train. The skirt and its drapery require 18 yards of light bronze satin, and the polonaise (bodice combined with overskirt) requires 6 1/2 yards of light blue satin brocade. The book has patterns for several other evening dresses and ball gowns for which no yardage is given. According to dressmaking instructions of the period, you were supposed to do a mock layout of your pattern on the floor and buy material accordingly. You will also need a lining fabric. I always use rather lightweight, but not sheer (except for very light fabrics) plain-weave cotton, in as close to the same color as the outer fabric as I can find. The lining fabrics they used run to a narrower selection of off white (for white fabrics), various shades of tan (for most fabrics) and black (for black fabrics). However, other colors were sometimes used. Although "colored" laces were used to some extent in this period, the majority, especially for formal wear, were yellowish off-white, ecru, or black. These are classic colors you can always use for some other project if you have too much for this one. There is a kind of coarse, off-white cotton lace that was very popular in the 1970s or so, which is a fairly decent imitation of Victorian bobbin lace. A lot of it gets sold on eBay, and you can buy long pieces in single styles. (Although, it is OK to mix lace patterns in trimming one garment if they harmonize and you do it in a logical way.) I've bought cards with as much as 50 yards of it, for reasonable prices. So my advice is, go to eBay, browse the lace in the "textiles" section, and have a field day buying whatever patterns of this lace take your fancy. If you don't use them now you will later. If it's 100% cotton lace you can dye it. I have dyed lace ecru for an 1890s ballgown by making strong coffee, and leaving the lace in there till the color was dark enough that I thought it would be right once it was rinsed and dried. I don't like black lace, so don't buy it often, and have never dyed any black. I just remembered: Dharma Trading Company, www.dharmatrading.com, recently started carrying dyeable, 100% cotton, coarse bobbin-style laces, and they're cheap. I haven't bought any yet, but you might want to have a look. Dharma also sells ecru and black dyes. I don't know why you think your daughter won't wear the dress often. But she might find it more wearable with a detachable train to both the skirt and the trained petticoat that is needed underneath; which is a period thing to do. For petticoats they buttoned on the trained part, for dress skirts there is more than one strategy. Also, multiple-part dresses were common. She might find the dress more wearable with a choice of day and evening bodices, or a choice of two different underskirts to wear underneath. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Sewing Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 18:30:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMUX34014180 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:30:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RMUWYZ011302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:30:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RMSX4n019494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMSUiH071548; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMSQ1f071376 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:28:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c4f.18ae2b87 (39954) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:28:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06855156-76ba-422a-86f9-84265abe6811 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AA7208.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2007 6:03:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: I think the minimal-bustle "natural form era" styles, which is what this is, look better on shorter women than on very tall and slender ones. Tall women can wind up looking like a pole in them, if they are not careful. (I'm 4'9", BTW.) ******************** Yes. Princess line gowns on curvy figures can be very flattering...even if one is short. And you don't have that huge wired bustle to deal with. I've seen examples of the princess gown is a simple as possible... with ruching and draping in the same fabric tacked onto the princess line base gown. It looks like a complicated draped gown all in one but it's really several pieces. The only problem is I think of them as late 1870's. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 18:31:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMUxOu014204 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:30:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RMUuDd006293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:31:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RMT8vw019599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMT8po072215; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMT4Ym072148 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:29:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id B24752E8322 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:19:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 899312E835D for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:19:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29695 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:28:58 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46AA6B77.9030907@lavoltapress.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown Thread-Index: AcfQmeS7eOgh0frQQI+7aQixt0L1aQAAUqlQ References: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA6B77.9030907@lavoltapress.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39efafae-7389-4c0b-b595-bd7c10027723 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AA7220.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 A lot of photographs and portraits from this era show women wearing the fashionable silhouette, whether it flattered them or not, in our eyes. But even in the 18th century, whether drawn on the imaginary ideal or a painted portrait, artists tailored their work to an ideal that few women could meet. And until the latter part of the 20th century, with the advent of diets, plastic surgery, and just the rare draw of the right DNA, very very few women did. Also, the fashionable ideal in the later 19th century was curvy and so-called "pocket Venuses"(short but curvy women who could corset their waists to the fashionable ideal)rivalled the taller women, like Lily Langtry and Sarah Bernhardt, who are more attractive to the modern eye. The important most important thing is fit. The latter half of the 19th century abounds in surviving photographed portraits where fit isn't the best. And few women could or would corset themselves to the fashionable ideal, just as today, few women really can meet the under-ideal-weight of fashion models and actresses. Proper drape and scale of fabric in both weight and design is critical for both dolls and short persons like me(below 5')Keeping to a single color tone is best on the short--for the tall and very thin, then as now, can wear all the wild color combinations of the Belle Epoque when new dye technology made really bright colors possible. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 18:58:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMwtgG015431 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:58:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RMwsZQ021430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:58:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RMus5q023434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMuro1094657; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RMuoFn094560 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:56:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:56:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:56:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c7d05a$4c47b3b0$bc14a150@CPQ21932199711> <1185570598.46aa5f26d3f39@webmail02.unl.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:53:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:53:12 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2007 22:56:45.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[67C6C3A0:01C7D0A1] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1354cb1e-e62e-4612-a502-6f69155e3236 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AA78AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've always been taught to sew straight to bias. I've never had a side = "baggy"....I would definitely NOT hang the bias ones! =20 Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question I am making a linen 4-panel, front/back/sides-gored variation on the = Gothic Fitted Dress. Usually, when I do this, I cut eight gores (4 rectangles cut = diagonally) and sew them in, straight-to-straight and bias-to-bias. This time, I cleverly thought "If I fold it in quarters first, and = then cut, I'll have three isosceles triangles and two right triangles. Fewer = seams!" But now that means I'm facing sewing straight-to-bias for at least three = of the gores, if not all four. I know that one side effect will be the = tendancy of the fabric to pucker where the bias edge stretches and the straight edge = does not. =20 I seem to have two choices: Do I: hang the gores from the point for a few days to allow the fabric = to stretch out before sewing them in place (which may or may not prevent = puckering after the fact)? Do I: cut each triangle in half so I have my familliar eight gores = (six of them being a little narrower than expected because I didn't factor in seam = allowance)? I assume there will be a difference in drape between the two, I don't = know whether or not it will be enough of a difference to matter. (Will one = way make the skirt stand out more?) Has anyone done this? Have you noticed a = difference? Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 19:10:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RNAlUe015929 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:10:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RNAkUP026317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:10:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RN90ZA025021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RN8wkU004256; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RN8sWs004200 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so685712wri for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:08:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GJPCLvluaqkdyBiHcgwbvAPLjANFh/aCwYiflixVN0Jcdj1Fy64EUZQk5wYINYzus3FJs1HI/NGKfrfgcZFvrjvzwivxOgm2mfJuQvC1bOWSCy1lseyQXq6+p7Uc0Mfz84ga/xm02mhGievU0oR7snMKLK4Nx+EYAC1mQFQsB5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gIPV5zdX28MxO/4WENc8OZ/+piKcpLmEFeWPxEAGw4kVXRXAyg0bLOIpenbtnJy79Vc+U97z+kPYyZUfR2vvf5pTtJW+dqG2TGvVyCG0vbVGYeG35+I93knTx4nek6BwO1V/PoYMeFrHkZWN55/3omm80YmqbZcAbaJbQIQgEGg= Received: by 10.78.81.20 with SMTP id e20mr875636hub.1185577733312; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0707271608q7e23feb2m3aab0121faee7a31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:08:53 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA6B77.9030907@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d39430bf-2d3e-44a3-a56d-ac0fc301e4b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AA7B77.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Gosh! I go away for an hour for lunch and I come back and people are full of insights and help. I love this group! Thanks for the feedback on this natural curve period between bustles. I think the princess line is flattering too, and I'm sure she'll look and feel great in this dress. I should have mentioned that yes, there is lots of self-fabric pleating iat the bottom of the skirt, so I know that will add to the amount needed. Fran, thank you for listing the fabric requirements for those different types of dresses. Once I sit down and work out some calculations, I think I'll be fine. But it's nice to have a guideline. I planned to flat line everything in black and line the bodice. Do you all think the skirt needs flatlining and lining? Fit will indeed be crucial, Cindy, and that's the part I'm hoping to have some help with once I finish the corset. And I had forgotten the term "pocket Venus." That will thrill Terry, who is tired of being the shortest of her peers no matter what group she's with at the time. Thanks, everyone. I'll keepin touch as I build this thing. I don't have a blog, don't usually read them either, but it might be a good time to start a blog on the progress of this dress. I will continue to welcome input. I leave for Costume College on Tuesday morning and will be back the following Wednesday, so if you send ideas as they pop into your heads, please don't think I didn't appreciate you notes. LynnD On 7/27/07, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > > A lot of photographs and portraits from this era show women wearing the > fashionable silhouette, whether it flattered them or not, in our eyes. > But even in the 18th century, whether drawn on the imaginary ideal or a > painted portrait, artists tailored their work to an ideal that few women > could meet. And until the latter part of the 20th century, with the > advent of diets, plastic surgery, and just the rare draw of the right > DNA, very very few women did. Also, the fashionable ideal in the later > 19th century was curvy and so-called "pocket Venuses"(short but curvy > women who could corset their waists to the fashionable ideal)rivalled > the taller women, like Lily Langtry and Sarah Bernhardt, who are more > attractive to the modern eye. > > The important most important thing is fit. The latter half of the 19th > century abounds in surviving photographed portraits where fit isn't the > best. And few women could or would corset themselves to the fashionable > ideal, just as today, few women really can meet the under-ideal-weight > of fashion models and actresses. Proper drape and scale of fabric in > both weight and design is critical for both dolls and short persons like > me(below 5')Keeping to a single color tone is best on the short--for the > tall and very thin, then as now, can wear all the wild color > combinations of the Belle Epoque when new dye technology made really > bright colors possible. > > Cindy Abel > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 19:19:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RNJBPj016312 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:19:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6RNJ9hc018362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:19:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6RNHLhw026112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RNHKwt010477; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6RNHH0n010374 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ca8.13ee0634 (65099) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:17:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ddd7f9f-d28f-4ee0-8391-8ed25da6d2d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AA7D6D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO same here - the straight stabilises the bias, so it doesn't stretsh in wear / hanging. do it all the time in linen, and not had a problem. any puckering I sort out by fiddling with the machine tension. In a message dated 28/07/2007 00:10:04 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Message: 11 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:53:12 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've always been taught to sew straight to bias. I've never had a side "baggy"....I would definitely NOT hang the bias ones! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 20:06:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S06Lb9018568 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:06:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6S06KwH003620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:06:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6S04Q0e031370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S04M7q042476; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S04JZi042445 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so969911wxc for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:04:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=XJElNEHBExIcYzEPz9S0Pje0q5zMLiH0QRhw3JqB9e74jWhqCzf8/viVZpsvK05CSwRprcAOsXQlBy8QE/SPUm4jVjseGugzGUSbUFXIbSTO9c04yb6PZf7IZiJSAvqOAtD5z3trQARVZJpqU9bQhuJSvpxa5FV/yIlvPrbMyoc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=G60v67CegtcMpw2YimPTLTn0UMlRNAl7G7hrIXAuPN5WkKBcVeKpE+r0vQS3WTF2xb1PdYBp38/5MvoT97BXAYmpDNZ7wuTvnxHBOD9yE0aTjyV5ph5LuBgTuO6ErBFSC1491qEnmVu7wL8v4uAIKs695/x3FzZs7alq2C5ukSg= Received: by 10.70.69.2 with SMTP id r2mr5841228wxa.1185581059576; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Thebeast.gmail.com ( [70.17.134.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h37sm432175wxd.2007.07.27.17.04.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:04:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:04:49 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Brangwyne Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <46aa8803.2586460a.4c43.35cf@mx.google.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6563c96-36bd-4258-b42f-e5d6d9211117 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AA887C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Same here, although occasionally I'll hand baste the buggers in first eliminating the "travel" that happens with pinning the seam and then sewing with machine. Starr At 07:17 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote: > >same here - the straight stabilises the bias, so it doesn't stretsh in wear >/ hanging. > >do it all the time in linen, and not had a problem. any puckering I sort >out by fiddling with the machine tension. > > > >In a message dated 28/07/2007 00:10:04 GMT Standard Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:53:12 -0700 >From: "Saragrace Knauf" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question >To: "Historical Costume" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I've always been taught to sew straight to bias. I've never had a side >"baggy"....I would definitely NOT hang the bias ones! > >Sg > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 20:46:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S0k0wZ020438 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:46:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6S0jxXW012710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:46:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6S0eb1i035449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:40:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S0eaq2067164; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S0eWkd067114 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l6S0eV911880 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:40:31 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question Message-ID: <1185583231.46aa907f26f46@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:40:31 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <46aa8803.2586460a.4c43.35cf@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <46aa8803.2586460a.4c43.35cf@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8ef5c0b-e5a2-4e8f-8f68-8b77924fcef8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AA91C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Interesting! I wonder if the problem I'm thinking of was originally a result of inexperienced sewing, which I misinterpreted as fabric properties. It's the sort of thing that I did years and years ago, thought "huh, doesn't work" and changed methods. With three responses that I'm interpreting as "go ahead!" and none against, I guess I'll just get sewing! Thank you! Emma Quoting Brangwyne : > Same here, although occasionally I'll hand baste the buggers in first > eliminating the "travel" that happens with pinning the seam and then > sewing with machine. > > Starr > > > At 07:17 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote: > > > >same here - the straight stabilises the bias, so it doesn't stretsh in > wear > >/ hanging. > > > >do it all the time in linen, and not had a problem. any puckering I > sort > >out by fiddling with the machine tension. > > > > > > > >In a message dated 28/07/2007 00:10:04 GMT Standard Time, > >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > >Message: 11 > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:53:12 -0700 > >From: "Saragrace Knauf" > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question > >To: "Historical Costume" > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >I've always been taught to sew straight to bias. I've never had a > side > >"baggy"....I would definitely NOT hang the bias ones! > > > >Sg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 20:57:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S0vQAD020902 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:57:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6S0vOIL032208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6S0tmbH037113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S0tlVF076604; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S0thP0076568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.253] (dial-209-148-114-253.sonic.net [209.148.114.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6S0tfAV016790 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:55:41 -0700 Message-ID: <46AA940E.1050406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:55:42 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown References: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA6B77.9030907@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b53b487e-5b5b-47bc-9f47-3d616095e3db X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AA9475.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > A lot of photographs and portraits from this era show women wearing the > fashionable silhouette, whether it flattered them or not, in our eyes. Yes--although the standard 19th-century fashion advice, in magazines and beauty books, was to wear what _was_ appropriate to the individual's figure, complexion, social position, budget, and the occasion. Fortunately, modern reenactors, and people going to period-themed social events, are very often not restricted to wearing an extremely narrow range of styles or colors. They can even often choose among the styles of an entire decade, or even a longer period. (Sometimes several centuries, as in the case of many SCA members.) Most modern people spending a lot of time and often, a fair amount of money making a historic outfit, want it to be something that looks good on them. So, if someone has a free choice of a period ranging over some years of the 1870s or early 1880s (which is what has been under discussion), it would be silly for them to choose an unflattering style, or one they disliked, just because some people "in period" did so--when a flattering style the modern person liked would be equally appropriate and suitable for the modern occasion. > But even in the 18th century, whether drawn on the imaginary ideal or a > painted portrait, artists tailored their work to an ideal that few women > could meet. And until the latter part of the 20th century, with the > advent of diets, plastic surgery, and just the rare draw of the right > DNA, very very few women did. Sure. I suspect most people on this list know all that. In fact, most people still don't look like the (modern) fashionable ideal. Proper drape and scale of fabric in > both weight and design is critical for both dolls and short persons like > me(below 5')Keeping to a single color tone is best on the short I'm not quite sure what your point is, but I'll say: I'm 4'9" tall, and I've probably read most of the standard modern wardrobe-planning advice for petite women. Yes, part of the hackneyed modern advice (though the 1870s and 1880s, the period that was under discussion, were periods when multiple-color dresses were very fashionable) is that short women should always wear one color, or at best, different shades of the same color. I've never paid the slightest attention to that "rule," nor to a lot of the other modern fashion advice for short women. And I have studied fashion and pattern design, formally. So I have known, for many years, all about how horizontal lines add width, and vertical lines add length, and how details should be proportioned to the body. My take is: Height (barring extremes caused by medical problems) is not any kind of health or figure flaw. It's not something that should be concealed and in fact, it's not something that can be concealed. It's also not something that can be changed. Barring any onset of medical problems, it's going to be the same for your entire adult life. No amount of diet, exercise, or as far as I know even surgery, is ever going to change your height. The most you can in terms of real, if temporary, increase or decrease is change your shoes. So I see no point in deciding that my height is a "figure flaw," just because some fashion books say so. Yes, for every person there are some styles and colors that look truly unfortunate, and I certainly avoid my set of same. But, I think going through an entire lifetime--of hopefully, 90 years or so given modern medicine--wearing one-color outfits just because some wardrobe-planning books say that makes you look "taller"--when everyone around you can't help realizing you're short anyway--is absurd. Besides, on me at least, one-color outfits look incredibly dowdy. There is nothing duller on me than one of those "ideal" one-piece sheath dresses. Even when I faithfully followed the standard advice on "dressing them up" with accessories. So I almost _always_ wear contrasting blouses and skirts (I prefer separates to dresses). I look great in wide off-the-shoulder necklines--I've bought some modern knit tops like that, just so I can wear that silhouette in the daytime. I even have a couple with sort-of-Edwardian-bertha-things. I always wear long skirts--which used to be considered good for short women, as having a long line, but have recently been declared non-PC. I love big bulky hand-knit sweaters. I like big jewelry. In period outfits, I look fantastic in big mid-1890s sleeves, big mid-1880s bustles, hoopskirts, and wide-brimmed hats. I wear lots of things I'm not "supposed" to wear. I look good, and I feel good about them. It does help to study line, color, etc. to learn how to tweak the rules. For example, the modern T-shirts and dresses with big scoop necklines. I have trouble with those, because the neckline is too low in proportion to my waist level. It's not that I look short, but I look like I'm wearing someone else's T-shirt. But, I've discovered that if I wear _another_, higher-necked T-shirt underneath, often I can then wear a garment that looks too low-necked on its own. Right now I'm wearing a brown XCVI Wearables "urban pixie dress" intended to be mid-calf, but which falls near my ankles. The neckline is so low on me, that I'd hesitate to wear this dress on the street with nothing under it. But I wear it over T-shirts as a jumper. Right now I'm wearing an "old rose" color horizontally-necked 3/4 sleeve T-shirt under it (San Francisco can be cold in July; I haven't seen the sun all day), and it looks great! Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 21:01:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S11HrW021035 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:01:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6S11GBL011166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:01:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6S0xhup037562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S0xhDU079117; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S0xdvU079084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.253] (dial-209-148-114-253.sonic.net [209.148.114.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l6S0xcj0005748 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:59:38 -0700 Message-ID: <46AA94FC.4050504@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:59:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown References: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA6B77.9030907@lavoltapress.com> <8296995c0707271608q7e23feb2m3aab0121faee7a31@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0707271608q7e23feb2m3aab0121faee7a31@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4a9571f-d6f1-4a09-b2b7-09960e1f4964 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AA955D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I planned to flat line everything in black and line the bodice. Do you > all think the skirt needs flatlining and lining? Unless it was a sheer fabric (and sometimes even then) late-1870s/early 1880s dresses were usually fully flat-lined. If you are draping trim all over the skirt, the flat lining will help support its weight. However, you do not need to flat-line _and_ line the skirt. These styles run heavy, so don't add more weight than you have to. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 27 21:46:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S1ks4e023504 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:46:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6S1krUe018093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:46:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6S1il9O042573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S1ihPR008955; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [216.148.227.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S1ieUU008863 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-75-71-69-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net[75.71.69.170]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070728014433m1500a38dre>; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:44:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <46aa8803.2586460a.4c43.35cf@mx.google.com> References: <46aa8803.2586460a.4c43.35cf@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4a3008b9de7fd87798c72f3de521b855@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:44:32 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e59797c9-1f21-4e8c-b806-4ca6f32ff2cd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AAA00E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I sewed a straight to bias skirt once in an antique satin and it did bag out, especially more so over time. Sylrog On Jul 27, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Brangwyne wrote: > Same here, although occasionally I'll hand baste the buggers in first > eliminating the "travel" that happens with pinning the seam and then > sewing with machine. > > Starr > > > At 07:17 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote: >> >> same here - the straight stabilises the bias, so it doesn't stretsh >> in wear >> / hanging. >> >> do it all the time in linen, and not had a problem. any puckering I >> sort >> out by fiddling with the machine tension. >> >> >> >> In a message dated 28/07/2007 00:10:04 GMT Standard Time, >> h-costume-request@indra.com writes: >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:53:12 -0700 >> From: "Saragrace Knauf" >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I've always been taught to sew straight to bias. I've never had a >> side >> "baggy"....I would definitely NOT hang the bias ones! >> >> Sg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 01:10:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S5ALnN031318 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:10:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6S5AKvV021376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:10:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6S58Cv4063744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S589UI030452; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S585vm030414 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40719700049 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Article on Russian Viking-era find Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:55:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070727134053.02881100@uci.edu> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070727134053.02881100@uci.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707280055.24703.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 526b5dcb-fa17-4b12-9cc6-b3618d6d8dd8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AACFBC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Friday 27 July 2007, Beverly Azizi wrote: > I am excited to reproduce the apron skirt and tunic. This is really > exciting to me as one of my first loves is the Viking stuff. (Mind > you it is all play for me I am not a serious historian but I strive > for some authenticity. Anyway, with the info about the colors and > the decoration, and the assumed style, I always like to try to do > that in my feeble way. And I do have some blue and red silk remnants > that should be perfect. Thank you for submitting the article on the list. You're welcome. I'm planning to do the same (yes, it's all play for me too) but probably won't get to it until later this year and don't have suitable silk remnants yet. I'd love to see how yours comes out, if you don't mind! -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 01:26:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S5Qkgm032166 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:26:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6S5QhM5016101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:26:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6S5OldR065132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S5Oicr039935; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6S5Oe4m039849 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:24:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cf2.14b096cc (65100) for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:24:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:24:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0ca9375-915c-4b80-a439-17f74ed68e7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AAD393.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2007 8:56:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: short women should always wear one color, or at best, different shades of the same color. ************** Hmmmmm... whatever. Most fashion advice is very subjective. I can't think of a much more flattering look for a short woman with some curves than an 1870's princess gown with a contrasting plastron front cut to accentuate the curves and going right down to the hem. There's a particularly fine example in...oh what is it?... "19th Century Fashion in Detail" of a blue and cream bold floral brocade with a solid cream entirely ruched plastron front that spreads at the bust and hips and nips in at the waist. The brocade is subtly draped to form some slight folds at the hip and no doubt some more dramatic folds at the back....but I can't see the back in the picture. Lemme see if I can get my hands on the book. Yes...it's "19th Century Fashion in Detail" by Lucy Johnston. The dress is on page 62 and 63. The drawing of the back view reveals a big vertical bow at the bustle. It's actually draped from the hips on down, with horizontal rows of lace on the widening plastron below the hips. This, with its contrasts and horizontal detail, would look fantastic on a short person. I was mixing it up with the gown on page 200, which is 1880's. Another bold blue and white-ish floral brocade but this time a bodice and skirt....but the pattern on the fabric practically hides this. Beautifully and skimpily draped at the front with a big, but not complex, bustle. This was definitely a short person's dress, again looking fabulous. There is also in the book another princess gown of cream with a plum pin stripe widely spaced. It has a cascading pleated ruffle, cream on one side and solid plum on the other which you see as it formally zig-zags down the front from high neck to hem. Very lovely. Page 174. All these gowns' designs could be tweaked for evening. [Well, the 1st one is an evening dress] ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 07:50:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SBo59r014479 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:50:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SBo4I8011979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:50:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SBmMXY010365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 05:48:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SBmHjT095004; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 05:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SBmErJ094919 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 05:48:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070728114808.PLSJ15201.fep34.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:48:08 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.139]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070728114706.GRJK21385.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:47:06 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c7d10d$29f4af30$8b43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:48:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.139] at Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:46:57 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0399b790-fc2d-4beb-861f-3d8c78f63474 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AB2D6C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It surely is not, its more than 18 years ago i had french lessons in school, and i never used it. So its all forgotten again. If you like the period, you should also look for "L'Allée du Roi" its a 2 DVD long film about Madame de Maintenon, the mistress of Louis XIV. Its packed with beautifull costumes two. The fontanges in the end, are very varied both in materials and shapes. Its a beautifull film also, only also in french alone. And while we are in it, you also can get Madame de Pompadour also a 2 DVD set about Louis XV' misstres. Also very nice. The french are as good as the BBC when they make their own history. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere > > In a message dated 7/27/2007 4:21:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > maggiros@yahoo.com writes: > > unless your French is much better than mine > > > *********** > > That's a laugh! > > When we did the miniseries "The Wedding", the designer brought all these > great 1950's clothes from LA for the extras. Well, they were all size 4 > thru 8. > The black ladies we had down here in NC couldn't get an arm into them! The > designer started calling the big girls "Fried Chicken Ladies". Well, we > couldn't say that in front of them so we started using "Les dames du > poulet > frit"...I mean "Les belle dames du poulet frit". > > There...my French! > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 09:02:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SD2W4o023594 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:02:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SD2VgR023246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:02:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SD0eqW021833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:00:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SD0cG3043671; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SD0aff043640 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1054285wxc for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:00:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=bVkFeFA+z5t0T9B476xucInzYlPacWakAdrZYsmH8wDy895yQ0VdvoblGH9QhunazeUfDKniM/os75oaoCABID3jXpIpC2B5gj7JXsMFXnlKUA1IOTOrQtD+bJpMBw459f5sYQ+htpneYwZBn6dui2lg6hvgvpbI0IYpfFfvA1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=MHC74Ki0bzfapQG4ozsavN315TWkCYLQkHPw5BMGGOhWGajY8DKidA3FWDSO81Woxo5qeuYoz1xk2h+gTMgF7x0uPRHhgiHhL8hQGOcrbq9lnoVnupH/BoRgF32mJhk/XfwX6Xo1yPMQaco0RcUR72V79RI3EUuRpmGjB9lyWLs= Received: by 10.70.45.10 with SMTP id s10mr6798870wxs.1185627636236; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Thebeast.gmail.com ( [70.17.134.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g5sm800047wra.2007.07.28.06.00.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:00:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:01:09 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Brangwyne Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question In-Reply-To: <4a3008b9de7fd87798c72f3de521b855@ntw.net> References: <46aa8803.2586460a.4c43.35cf@mx.google.com> <4a3008b9de7fd87798c72f3de521b855@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <46ab3df3.053a360a.6a7a.33c0@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13ec5b53-4ae2-4232-86ed-a26aad988597 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AB3E67.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The other trick I've found is start at the BOTTOM of the gore and sew upwards. No matter what. THEN hang the dress for 3 - 7 days and hem. Works like a dream. Have three gowns done this way for myself and one for a friend that still haven't 'bagged' out after two years. Starr At 09:44 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote: >I sewed a straight to bias skirt once in an antique satin and it did >bag out, especially more so over time. > >Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 09:49:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SDn1u3026563 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:49:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SDn0Fb028842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:49:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SDlO32029521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SDlMNE075638; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SDlJFX075540 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070728134713.MZPH9166.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:47:13 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id V1nD1X0093Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:47:13 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c7d11d$c9265da0$6401a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <46ab3df3.053a360a.6a7a.33c0@mx.google.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e2b1b21-5e03-4ac8-813b-dad81048ba1f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AB494C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I find this to be exactly opposite of my "gore inserting' experience! If I start at the hem and work up, then the point always comes out wonky and ugly. I start at the top and work down, or at least hem-to-point-to-hem when I'm hand finishing. Diff'rent strokes, I guess. Or, different stitches for different, er, seamstresses! :-D ::Linda:: On Behalf Of Brangwyne Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question The other trick I've found is start at the BOTTOM of the gore and sew upwards. No matter what. THEN hang the dress for 3 - 7 days and hem. Works like a dream. Have three gowns done this way for myself and one for a friend that still haven't 'bagged' out after two years. Starr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 10:13:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SEDEok027955 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:13:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SEDD73006309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:13:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SEBLGO033686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SEBI3W093251; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:11:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SEBGFZ093226 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1063446wxc for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=gXtPwcVAqrqF28C59ffmfxc8OUT/CY8O3rdGyVd9UQtOpN8La3j2Z70V316dZsig7PB/oCNV1v7pPzWjT5TaS1NkyE/33laI/KSAIf3LvKGuqDAJ8DhNCHsMR9BYHxqyzmjj3xtz1jm2SfFMtAr5r+jwqFKO6m2Ohp0GZSgGdwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=B+qOMYalvHU2lLm+1bRIMuOTsD0IhH+LQrbmH8jJsjCjVf6jtA6qIau+rYq0NGObr8028Jz3TF9W2vKgBO8PxFROaFfVcQFjcen46epmjTUV0131P7s9zzeuMDzgqTsTk4OLp5m4p6+o+PYUedjE1TMwoB23fbRRyazseBu5D7w= Received: by 10.70.98.17 with SMTP id v17mr6886963wxb.1185631876275; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Thebeast.gmail.com ( [70.17.134.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i39sm1383896wxd.2007.07.28.07.11.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:11:50 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Brangwyne Subject: RE: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question In-Reply-To: <003301c7d11d$c9265da0$6401a8c0@VMAA1> References: <46ab3df3.053a360a.6a7a.33c0@mx.google.com> <003301c7d11d$c9265da0$6401a8c0@VMAA1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <46ab4e83.2787460a.2548.ffffb96c@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b12494a5-08e6-4df9-9412-285b5f8dd06f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AB4EF9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Or, different stitches for different, er, >seamstresses! :-D > >::Linda:: > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 10:48:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SEmcqa029536 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:48:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SEmb1w024038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:48:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SEka9F038728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:46:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SEkYPA018803; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SEkUI8018691 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:46:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d4c.82bfb5c (48552) for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:46:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:46:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moliere To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ddcaaa6-0873-49f9-b981-3053ff83cf4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AB5745.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: The french are as good as the BBC when they make their own history. ************* They just don't want anyone else to understand it. :-P ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 11:35:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SFZsGQ031181 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:35:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SFZrSg010462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SFXoGZ046211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SFXkXS055672; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SFXiln055551 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so224844rvf for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=XlAWJbcQCZ4hvViUyBwhO0MaWRj6Q0xEt9HQycz18E3vGCp8kAhEApq3sE6Z0jnlQ6XmUEv4arnHwGluNwP6ymRwepKiiyWqCqbhPKXFXORqpfOsvmvxKqzdGC6hnMCkfWV61X5otfIGAl4sP57JrzfgzJYXR+72n7HzxhqNZqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YxQhDd62QAumt5+XdeHp2xJtjtrgp+04ZDdkM7bvWqzUDEguY7t1DTPWdNYP4yfre26I8JVnmK/Rhl0/9Xm384Q6FNjvZ7yg+kwYaGNtBJsdc0TpYxq2KlDDTWLPk+PGolnj9CG7AoQl0oOFwkOrZsDUKdUd6m2foSSqcZuPO/A= Received: by 10.142.245.10 with SMTP id s10mr216984wfh.1185636818256; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:33:38 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I was looking for a Lucrezia Tourabuoni portrait X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1db7c813-d2c2-447e-80be-984a08dc78c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AB6259.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was looking for a Lucrezia Tourabuoni portrait and found her among some other famous faces that had been "reworked" in a surrealistic fashion. http://www.martinlaspina.com.ar/g%20Pintura%201-a%20comparacion.htm Generally, I think they're beautiful, but nothing I'd take home to my Craftsman era house. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 12:14:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SGEQd9031723 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:14:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SGEPn8005247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:14:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SGCAIH051224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SGC66C086387; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SGC33E086270 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JLW00J30CZR5Y30@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:11:46 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] I was looking for a Lucrezia Tourabuoni portrait In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dae7dae6-3a9a-49d0-af8e-771254e12587 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AB6B61.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Nope... not for me. Personally, I hate surrealism... my life is surreal enough, thank you. I don't want it on my walls! :-) Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:34 AM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] I was looking for a Lucrezia Tourabuoni portrait I was looking for a Lucrezia Tourabuoni portrait and found her among some other famous faces that had been "reworked" in a surrealistic fashion. http://www.martinlaspina.com.ar/g%20Pintura%201-a%20comparacion.htm Generally, I think they're beautiful, but nothing I'd take home to my Craftsman era house. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 14:31:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SIVxv8001163 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:31:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SIVvcf006911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:32:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SIU1nJ071744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SITwvE091993; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SITtth091877 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1185647388-1299002f0000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1185647388 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 193D12111DB for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:29:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8002E368D for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:09:03 +0200 Message-ID: <1dfd01c7d142$7f3a6a90$9c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:09:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a83b9105-0eec-4e85-8fd7-25290330c396 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AB8B9D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I make all my own dress patterns, and I specifically design them so that I can sew straight-to-bias on the skirt area whenever possible. The straight edge goes on the front, bias to the back; to my eye, it hangs best that way, since the skirt sort of tends to flow out behind you better. Another benefit is that your gown will need little if any hanging before being hemmed; I don't even bother any more, since hanging didn't make any visible difference even after weeks. Also, it will make your cutting layouts much more efficient! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 15:43:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SJhuco002202 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:43:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SJhtwU016536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:43:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SJb03M090845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SJavGo052641; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.113]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6SJasiP052519 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 47436 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2007 19:36:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=S7UZ2hYpC3DcAbhoKWmeC7mL3jwuOuJVtD2NjVVJBsOy5sHjQ5czIul4G4nOW84bbDQo8p97H8kunmzPj/OJs95/Dj7qs52QOhmUsK5wcHXL/aP5M/lMMdtRI5E2uU1LXHj9NRVTRRehzmHs9LJj5xB3EKw70ChgZD4DSff7OBo=; X-YMail-OSG: PcrmsXsVM1knnUIaWu6zqGkogHFoLb2MALe8jDewwaNK07wLFnhhGqsn89YlS2KbJbbRKDcpmsSqowzxv_K7ihFeJJn2UJ4bKhyRgfltkOmU2sJA1kfw17OkoeDITZPAdie.PyN5HqchOXOIDj2ErwmrcA-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:36:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 898ef4e1-ff21-4f67-a14a-bb389c9e44b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AB9C7B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO NOW I remember why I hate that stuff. I just had the weirdest thing happen = while using it.=0A=0AI am appliqueing a cotton/linen blend midweight fabri= c and used the ultra bond, the thread is Gutermann cotton thread. The first= two appliques went fine- a total dream; I was using plain cone thread for = that. I switch to the Gutermann, and all hell breaks loose. The satin stitc= h starts skipping stitches and the needle is gummed up with sticky goop. I = have to clean off my needle roughly once an inch. Nothing had changed from = one pair to the other, except the thread and the weather. I was ripping my = hair out trying to figure out what the problem was. 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Start today at h= ttp://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 15:58:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SJw9K1002411 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:58:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SJw8qO020582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:58:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SJuVsD096054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SJuULK070684; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SJuQG1070560 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD2CDB569 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:56:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46AB9F86.3020201@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:56:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e8b98e0-710c-445a-ac13-7db27906d27f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AB9FD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Kathy Page wrote: > Anyone else have this happen, and is there anything I can do to make it stop?? > Perhaps the change in thread also needs a change in thread tension. They're not all wound the same, or coming off the spool the same. A very tiny adjustment can affect how the applique stitch goes down. A new needle might help in getting through the applique layers. Either a sharper one or a wider one to make a bigger hole for the thread. One other thing to try, is to make the applique with the heat-n-bond cut just short of the edge of the fabric, then there's less of it to get in the needle. If none of that works, you might just have to go back to a cotton thread. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 16:19:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SKJQRR002714 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:19:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SKJNvL000673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:19:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SKHf9R001373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SKHeoS089371; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SIRao6090384 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CA2700049 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:14:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200707260047.47865.cathy@thyrsus.com> <1dc001c7d003$41987be0$9c00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <1dc001c7d003$41987be0$9c00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707281414.47887.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 0cfb4da1-313b-422f-b766-77ee17809eff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46ABA4CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Friday 27 July 2007, E House wrote: > Not surprisingly, I don't speak Russian, but on the Russian site it looks > to me like that second smaller sketch shows the front of the apron folded > into that shape--sort of like a giant box pleat held in place by the > brooches--rather than with a second narrower apron over it. At least, it > makes a lot more sense to me that way. To do that, though, you'd need a second set of loops on the apron dress itself-otherwise the fold wouldn't stay in place. It's unclear at best from the information at hand whether the garment found had more than two pair of loops--one front, one back--on it. Beatson's summary (don't know about the Russian either) claims that the smaller sketch posits a separate, narrow apron over the silk-trimmed apron dress. Though that might solve the "what makes it stay on " problem, I can't believe that any self-respecting Viking would hide all of that silk under another garment. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 16:23:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SKNmDp002772 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:23:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SKNlAn018737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:23:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SKGsVa001195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SKGr8J088539; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:16:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pptgw1.mccc.edu (pptgw1.mccc.edu [198.133.170.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SEnPpM020804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by pptgw1.mccc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6SEnJot016233 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:49:19 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l6SEnG0H005601 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c7d126$861f2920$49a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c7d11d$c9265da0$6401a8c0@VMAA1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:49:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5.1.00 definitions=5085 signatures=295760 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fad25671-f6df-4f73-a25b-f2fc03681d2a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46ABA5D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was told once that when sewing bias, go from widest to narrowest and you get the smoothest seams. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question >I find this to be exactly opposite of my "gore inserting' experience! If > I start at the hem and work up, then the point always comes out wonky > and ugly. I start at the top and work down, or at least > hem-to-point-to-hem when I'm hand finishing. > > Diff'rent strokes, I guess. Or, different stitches for different, er, > seamstresses! :-D > > ::Linda:: > > > On Behalf Of Brangwyne > Subject: Re: [h-cost] straight/bias gore question > > The other trick I've found is start at the BOTTOM of the gore and sew > upwards. No matter what. THEN hang the dress for 3 - 7 days and hem. > > Works like a dream. Have three gowns done this way for myself and one > for a friend that still haven't 'bagged' out after two years. > > Starr > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 16:39:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SKdmb5002996 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:39:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SKdlWj007597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:39:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SKc26g005788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:38:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SKbxxh006744; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:37:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SKbunr006618 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.11]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:37:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <379961.46007.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] If you could - Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:55 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2007 20:37:50.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A6376F0:01C7D157] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3b07de8-060b-47f2-8df5-bc9179a18d35 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46ABA993.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'd do the Dorothy Dunnett "House of Nicolo" series. A 15th century = piece (if I remember correctly) in Bruges. There are several costumes = described which I think would be so much fun. One of them is where the = main characters clothing was stolen while he was sleeping, sewn with = many bells, and then returned. He puts it on and proceeds to do a "pied = piper" thing with all the goats in the village. There is also a scene = where he rides an ostrich through town which has been de-feathered. Of = course that isn't a costume thing so much.... ;} Then there is her Lymond Chronicles too, (16th century) where the = protagonist from England, France to Middle east....lots of costume = opportunities there. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 18:03:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SM33CL004230 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:03:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SM32bm023479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:03:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SKHEp5001279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SKHEjB088887; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6SGKqsl093956 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 51759 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2007 16:20:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tE3LpPqYmfAV18bst0C7V+xJRIqsvUcsjtqSsu1P8588E6+MKFlGceI88tLr3NxPgqik/b9pl7uSZh7GZ6/Rh4uJINs4V8yyK0uKTampaFpdcObqFHhWljwSLOnjUO/9vIrdGp2FQr0KlLxmNpfkRm0Gm9WcMy+mh68tLqQ9obQ=; X-YMail-OSG: wOOv7V8VM1mdeV.c2uFb0iudDRYUuwxlf0fHXqPbvDGCSEWX.2XIjzMNnicPdfEI09IOzpg13Q-- Received: from [68.252.50.255] by web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:20:47 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <379961.46007.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] If you could - X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b442b20-26d8-4125-9d00-89fd6ed97c9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46ABBD16.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO which book/story would you like to costume? Why? We were having a discussion the other day about this topic and had some really interesting choices. I myself decided on Brian Daley's "Jinx on a Terran Inheritance" series for the book selection and any Firefly script for the story. Mostly because the styles are pulled from any culture and time period and it would be loads of fun. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 18:33:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SMWwxY004697 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:32:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6SMWueB001501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:33:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6SMTtPR042733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SMTqXQ013004; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6SMTmrn012948 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A344E61004E; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:29:24 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:29:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c7d166$d0c72550$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfQjloqxJE0BJ5uSvmdfYIRBl4PWQA1/khQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71fa079e-766b-47d0-9be2-2ccf4edb2968 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46ABC419.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Lynn, well, the dark blue and rustle part is easy--- Blue/black changeable taffeta! I don't have the book, what will it look like? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 1:40 PM To: GBACGcostumers@yahoogroups.com; Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown (Sorry for the cross-post) I'm out of my design league and could really use some help from anyone who has worked in the 1880s era. I'm making a gown for my 16-year old daughter for a ball in March. After looking through all my books, she has chosen one from "Victorian and Edwardian Fashions from 'La Mode Illustree' ", edited by J. Olian (Dover). "Her" dress is the first one on page 60, an elegant ball gown from 1880. Unfortunately, the legend only says that it's made of satin, no more info. First, I'm a bit concerned about whether the dress will flatter her or not. She's 5' nothing and curvy. She's in proportion but weighs 125-130, so she's kinda built along the lines of Jennifer Rabbit only not so tall. Should I try to guide her away from this style and suggest more bustle, from maybe 1875 instead? I first thought of making the bustle a bit wider but maybe the thinness of this bustle dress is a good thing for my girl, to lengthen and slenderize. Yes? No? Her initial criteria: it has to be dark blue, it has to have a train, it has to rustle, it has to be beautiful. No pressure, Mom. Normally, I'll keep a picture of the design near me for several days so I can dream on it and kind of work out the kinks before I purchase anything, but time is tight. I'm going to Costume College and will have a day for shopping in the fabric district before I have to come home to the real world of work and family. While I'm in LA I can pick up the fabric and maybe even the trim, but I haven't any idea of how much material that dress will require. She may only wear this dress a couple times, so I'm going to go with a changeable poly taffeta rather than silk. I usually buy 10 yards minimum, but I haven't a clue how much that skirt might require. I'm guessing 2 for the bodice, another 2 for the underskirt, but where do I go from there? Is 10 yards enough or will I need more? Too much? Do you think there are two dark colors in this dress or only one? I'll probably trim/contrast with black if two colors. So there's not too much contrast. I'll use a heavy, twice-worked lace to reproduce that embroidery on the edges. And the yards and yards of lighter laces on the dress, both dark and light. How can one gauge - from a picture - how much to buy? I'm already working on Laughing Moon's corset pattern for her and I'll get the bustle pattern from Truly Victorian while I'm at College. I've made one of each of their two bustles and they work wonderfully, but my size is too big for Terry. I'll probably go to TV for the bodice and skirt patterns too because I don't feel comfortable draping yet, but I'd sure like any suggestions or help you can give me. I've done several Elizabethan outfits and several more 1840s-60s but never anything so late - even though I have plans to make one for myself. I swear I'm not asking for you to make the darned thing, but it's overwhelming me right now with the many things I don't know about this style. Thanks for any help you can toss my way, LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 28 23:00:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T30dbF008420 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:00:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6T30cOV008731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:00:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6T2vfVo079815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:57:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T2vZmA004145; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T2vVq1004071 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:58:25 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7D18C.554A5912" Subject: RE: [h-cost] If you could - Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:57:35 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC651@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC651@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] If you could - Thread-Index: AcfRV5R4JEe7b23ORoSFV2leBG15aQANKKTE References: <379961.46007.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2007 02:58:25.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[5534F8B0:01C7D18C] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2de29ceb-49e6-4c27-8a8e-aa290c2512a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AC02D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D18C.554A5912 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Sat 7/28/2007 4:37 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] If you could - I'd do the Dorothy Dunnett "House of Nicolo" series. A 15th century = piece (if I remember correctly) in Bruges. There are several costumes = described which I think would be so much fun. One of them is where the = main characters clothing was stolen while he was sleeping, sewn with = many bells, and then returned. He puts it on and proceeds to do a "pied = piper" thing with all the goats in the village. There is also a scene = where he rides an ostrich through town which has been de-feathered. Of = course that isn't a costume thing so much.... ;} Then there is her Lymond Chronicles too, (16th century) where the = protagonist from England, France to Middle east....lots of costume = opportunities there. Sg And don't forget Russia. =20 Patty ______________________________ =20 and _________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D18C.554A5912 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D18C.554A5912-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 29 01:18:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T5IDO4010182 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:18:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6T5IC8b027734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:18:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6T5GLPd097652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T5GIov095563; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf2b.socket.net [216.106.88.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T5GGlY095532 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CB1DE3F7FC for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:16:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:16:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <200707281414.47887.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35450ee9-bca8-46cc-b8e3-b9fe3c9238ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AC2314.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have not seen the sketch but does it say anywhere that there are loops at all on this specific dress? Why do you feel that all apron dresses at the time had loops? Could there not have been an exception somewhere? De -----Original Message----- To do that, though, you'd need a second set of loops on the apron dress itself-otherwise the fold wouldn't stay in place. It's unclear at best from the information at hand whether the garment found had more than two pair of loops--one front, one back--on it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 29 01:45:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T5jqia010511 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:45:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6T5jpUe015612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:45:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6T5flUC000345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T5fkRs010710; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:41:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T5ffrd010654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-220-133-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.133]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l6T5fc2E017128 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:41:39 +1000 Message-ID: <004d01c7d1a3$22fe3cf0$85dcf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <379961.46007.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] If you could - Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:41:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72cf47eb-92d0-45dd-b594-cc026bc22759 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AC298F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think I'd pick Orlando (I know it's already been done but if there was a remake), the 500 year timespan coincides with all the historical styles I really love. I'm sure there are other stories that cover a broad sweep of time like that, but Orlando is the only one I can think of right now. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 29 05:10:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T9AYkH022690 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:10:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6T9AXlP027868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:10:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6T98Ujk033263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T98K6n059234; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T98GX8059123 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070729090810.GEQP12247.fep32.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:08:10 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.44]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070729090810.HABC10547.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:08:10 +0200 Message-ID: <002601c7d1bf$fdf46700$2ce73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <379961.46007.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] If you could - Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:08:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.63.231.44] at Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:08:04 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6af80a29-d929-478a-b04f-dbb2f09dd81b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AC5989.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ill do Schaeffers "Amadeus" or a danish play from same period named: "Struensee was here". About the insane danish king Christian VII and his queen Caroline Mathilde, and the affair the queen had with the kings doctor Struensee. Oh my! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] If you could - > which book/story would you like to costume? Why? We > were having a discussion the other day about this > topic and had some really interesting choices. > > I myself decided on Brian Daley's "Jinx on a Terran > Inheritance" series for the book selection and any > Firefly script for the story. Mostly because the > styles are pulled from any culture and time period and > it would be loads of fun. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat > folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 29 06:57:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6TAvIdN030009 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:57:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6TAvHvR025319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:57:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6TAtOhC053592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6TAtLaO033734; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6TAtHhm033577 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ca8.1406df39 (42807) for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:55:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9ed611b-e444-4882-9aa3-a2308402189c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AC728D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2007 3:57:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: Perhaps the change in thread also needs a change in thread tension. They're not all wound the same, or coming off the spool the same. A very tiny adjustment can affect how the applique stitch goes down. A new needle might help in getting through the applique layers. Either a sharper one or a wider one to make a bigger hole for the thread. Are you using an embroidery needle--has a bigger eye and groove for the thread. Also, try the liquid Sewer's Aid on your needle--it works great preventing skipped stitches and "gunk" build up to sew through the glued-on "sequin" fabric, so it might help you. Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 29 09:59:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6TDxMM3004521 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:59:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6TDxLRZ018432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:59:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6TDvUq7079863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6TDvPlY070872; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.america.net (qsmtp4.america.net [69.60.160.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6TDvLk8070791 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:57:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200707291357.l6TDvLk8070791@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.244] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp4.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IF9Gq-0007PW-GO for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:57:20 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:57:10 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f55c8f93-377b-4e0c-aee5-92756edcb9d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AC9D39.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 05:55 AM 7/29/2007, you wrote: >Are you using an embroidery needle--has a bigger eye and groove for the >thread. Also, try the liquid Sewer's Aid on your needle--it works great >preventing skipped stitches and "gunk" build up to sew through the >glued-on "sequin" >fabric, so it might help you. Another idea, A friend of mine has this exact problem appliqueing Linen. She iron's onto the wrong side of the base fabric a layer of the tear-away fabric paper that stiffens the fabric.....can't remember the name. This reduces the gum up to the point that she doesn't have a problem any more. Then, when she's done, she just tears the paper away and all is great. Good luck Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 29 10:40:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6TEeM32007034 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:40:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6TEeLl3025510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:40:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6TEcRZY086212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:38:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6TEcQWO001531; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6T6fWeB049443 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D3C700049 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Article on Russian Viking-era find Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:28:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707290228.36644.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 782a4ab2-526a-418b-9214-c988258e5792 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46ACA6D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sunday 29 July 2007, otsisto wrote: > I have not seen the sketch but does it say anywhere that there are loops at > all on this specific dress? The fabric remnant did not have loops on it. However, it was buried with a pair of tortoise brooches, and the remains of blue linen loops were found in the tortoise brooches. The summary I read suggested that the loops found in the brooches were similar to the linen neckline area of the underdress. The location of the alleged loops was deduced from stitching holes in the surviving remnant. By the way, both the English summary and the original Russian report include the sketch, and the photos. > Why do you feel that all apron dresses at the > time had loops? Could there not have been an exception somewhere? I'd like to note here that I've been reporting in this thread what the summary of the archaeologists' report said, not my own theories. :-) That being said, I actually do believe that whatever their shape or cut, apron dresses did have loops of some kind. I think that for the same reason the archaeologists who have proposed the idea do, namely, that many, many pairs of tortoise brooches have been found, and the ones that have textile remains show loops. The loops are similar in size (about 1 cm wide) and where other fabric remains exist nearby, often match those remains. I also believe that apron dresses had loops because I have made apron dresses with wider straps, and they don't work nearly as well. They're harder to get into and out of, and they don't work as well with the tortoise brooch pins. Now, it's certainly true that not all women in the Viking period wore tortoise brooches. There were other options for overdresses. For instance, the woman in the grave at Eura, Finland, wore a peplos (which was discernible because part of the overfold survived). But the brooches associated with that find weren't tortoise brooches--they were flat, round brooches. I think the real question that should be asked about the Pskov find is "Was the large silk remnant that was found part of an apron dress or not?" Since the textile does not have loops on it, and the tortoise brooches were not found attached to the textile, but were merely "enclosed" in it, that suggests but does not prove that they were worn with it as an apron dress. The English summary also suggests, but is not clear about whether any blue linen pieces matching the loops in the brooches were found attached to the silk (the summary says, "The blue linen base fabric to which these silk borders were presumably appliqued has almost completely decayed...."). But it's not possible to have a meaningful debate on this question without at least the benefit of better photos of the large silk remnant, since the presence/location of stitching holes to attach loops and the presence or absence of linen backing are necessary clues to confirm or refute the apron dress theory. I really hope a detailed writeup on this find is done on this fascinating find. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 29 20:29:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6U0Taud031180 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:29:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6U0TZMa030426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:29:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6U0RYsf079867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6U0RSKM037901; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:27:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6U0RORV037800 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44881 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2007 00:27:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dm7rhbOKVy1MaWk0vb2lZvS7a8TDc3q669fAQpQqrIqc5TeD25rR3Kh0ed7uL9MeKQ/7f/50MW8z+SOA4OpHpnnvrhMhKsDPH36n75UFXoR0sZjCbCOU1jgvCmScgSAvZW1PnKvwEWz+5clkU2WIOfxP9ldtHeVyunf1+uAhWQg=; X-YMail-OSG: oAsO9CYVM1lp40kDmgQcWnlir7JYhJMc0KsfbJUVvkoQ4HiVF4x0SBAbyByKQYRC_A-- Received: from [208.67.10.163] by web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:27:19 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <330159.44414.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] RE: Heat-n-Bond Hell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dfa45b19-a0a6-4861-914d-3df21b66376a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AD30EF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Did you say you used the ultra heat-n-bond? I did that once for a baby quilt I was making with the exact same results. Heat-n-bond LITE is the product made for applique projects. Never once had a problem with it during sewing or in use of quilt. Jodi --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 01:01:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6U519Tc009936 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:01:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6U5186r005129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:01:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6U4vLBT018918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6U4vHLF021655; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6U4vEG1021558 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sadisticschoolmistress@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 87310 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2007 04:57:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HPApFh8n4d12fCYBP1ZheSf7nKe7dYCyAprQ92aqcaFF+ud/evHu4Sjw+jVHclMu1OZDniAQF8d0Sg7Rn7GRCmxke9FClSDoLiu1/XTk/0jtk71DLos2Aq1u9/9T9eSqzD+QnKwBk3GtXn2b++rMSxwR1/QHUhgJfSXaeRrmQrs=; X-YMail-OSG: oKF9yecVM1mNDwuWSj2XX0t5bSTj0bKa2f0ufJpFA6k3Vam1.Dci2RdmLP0_JWCg80EI0fTSStPr5M.d6ldlUZEL5ydILgj.ydgn Received: from [24.150.131.204] by web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:57:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Sheridan Alder To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <516583.86762.qm@web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Peach silk for sale? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AD7094.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello:=0A=0AI'll probably get my knuckles rapped for trying to flog stuff o= n the list, but my excuse is that members of h-costume group will probably = appreciate it more than anyone else - I have silk I'd like to sell.=0A=0ASo= me time ago I purchased 10 yards of peach 100% silk because it was a good p= rice at Designer Textiles in Toronto. I've finally admitted to myself that = peach isn't really my colour, if I dye it I will ruin it, and I have way, w= ay too much stuff - fabric, projects, etc. already!=0A =0AIt's 56 inches wi= de and has good "body" - it's not that limp china silk. =0A=0AIt's very sim= ilar in colour (identical?) to the silk dress on pages 66-67 of "Revolution= in Fashion: 1715-1815". That's probably why I bought it! While it's not ri= bbed like that fabric, it does have an asymetrical stripe pattern woven in.= I could see it as an 18th c. gown or even a bustle gown - not that it's an= y of my business how anyone decides to use it! I've even seen a peach Civil= War era gown somewhere.=0A=0AI'd sell it for $150 U.S. That would include = shipping. Paypal would be good.=0A=0ALet me know if you want pictures. I'm = still strugglling to figure out my digital camera, so it would be good prac= tice for me.=0A=0AI also have 10 yards of blue and silver striped silk (nar= row stripes) but I have to find it to measure the width. I was thinking Vic= torian day or evening dress when I bought it. =0A=0A=0ASheridan Alder=0A=0A= =0A Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk em= ail the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_= beta?.intl=3Dca=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 04:35:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6U8ZQ8M018001 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:35:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6U8ZPTW004814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:35:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6U8Wjp3051353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6U8WdeB082300; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6U8WaOO082242 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:32:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.42016943; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:32:14 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l6U8WDD24951.; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:32:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:32:13 +0100 Message-Id: <46ADB01102000014000D6A7C@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:32:01 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200707272309.l6RN8xTg004269@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200707272309.l6RN8xTg004269@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Moliere X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46ADA2CD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not having computer access at the weekend, I missed the discussion on this topic, but I agree that the three women in the foreground don't have enough petticoats and their shoulders poke out too much. The one on the extreme right in the background looks better. c.f. http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/vermeer/p-vermeer7.htm http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?maker=TERBORCH&object=405532&row=1 The men's costumes look better. I love the photo of the gentleman in the Place des Vosges (Place Royale as it was then). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 07:53:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UBralM023340 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:53:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UBrZcf016234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:53:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UBpa5x086854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:51:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UBpU5P032586; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net (alnrmhc16.comcast.net [206.18.177.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UBpQ45032490 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200707301151.l6UBpQ45032490@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20070730115121b1600pi5cse>; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:51:21 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:51:21 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown In-Reply-To: <8296995c0707271608q7e23feb2m3aab0121faee7a31@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8296995c0707271340y5db5c666gbab8decc81f49e9@mail.gmail.com> <46AA6B77.9030907@lavoltapress.com> <8296995c0707271608q7e23feb2m3aab0121faee7a31@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46ADD13F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 07:08 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote: >And I had forgotten the >term "pocket Venus." That will thrill Terry, who is tired of being the >shortest of her peers no matter what group she's with at the time. As I'm the same height as Terry, I rather like that term myself. :-) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 07:59:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UBxNj2024294 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:59:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UBxMtJ025185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:59:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UBviSh088237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UBvhxi039719; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UBvdV8039550 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:57:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200707301157.l6UBvdV8039550@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070730115733b11000mo07e>; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:57:34 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:57:34 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Heat-n-Bond Hell In-Reply-To: <330159.44414.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <330159.44414.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46ADD29A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 08:27 PM 7/29/2007, you wrote: >Did you say you used the ultra heat-n-bond? I did that once for a >baby quilt I was making with the exact same results. Heat-n-bond >LITE is the product made for applique projects. Never once had a >problem with it during sewing or in use of quilt. > > >Jodi Yes, never, NEVER use the Ultra Hold for projects you intend to sew. Ultra Hold is supposed to hold on its own, though they do recommend finishing the edges with fabric paint. I don't trust it--but then I don't applique much, with or without fusible web. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 09:04:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UD4F0s028152 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:04:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UD4EK0008774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:04:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UD2KXf099793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UD2HjZ000910; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UD2CS6000839 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 22166175-1928045 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:02:08 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [210.9.139.241]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 106809071-1928045 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:56:01 +1000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:02:08 +1000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown Thread-Index: AcfQjloqxJE0BJ5uSvmdfYIRBl4PWQA1/khQAFDgmtk= In-Reply-To: <000a01c7d166$d0c72550$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=5, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.139.241 X-Originating-IP: 210.9.139.241 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da28d8ba-9bca-4b32-b989-2762bee61ebb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46ADE1CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheers, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 14:58:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UIwcBe008433 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:58:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UIwbKs013627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:58:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UIumZZ073796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:56:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UIucmG012718; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UIqNq7007519 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NK41Rl1ntN6KJ1R2LeNCUjosP61JbFf08y3ympDi8GmAQqcZMQ3NuqWXqZMW358h; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.0.241.138] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IFaLp-0007DE-I1 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220077130185224312@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat makers (or other people who use feathers) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:52:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797955c0df8d105921f3f13d8601ce853e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.0.241.138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e236f1a-7356-46a7-bad9-16597ea1e201 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AE34DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Peacock feathers make great cat toys too! they love them! Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Land of Oz > To: Historical Costume > Date: 7/25/2007 11:47:53 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat makers (or other people who use feathers) > > > There's always a market for these feathers. FIrst check to see if the > > opera, theater in your area might want them for costuming. They would > > want a bunch but not necessarily hundreds at once. I don't know how > > long you've been collecting them. Check here, of course. I know there > > are millinary lists, but I don't know where they are. > > > Thanks! I'll check out ebay to see what kinds of things are offered and > what kinds of prices are to be had. We've had peafowl the longest, so we > have several years' worth of those, and they get longer and more profuse > every year. The Lady Amherst and Golden and __?___ pheasants are starting > to produce some extraordinary feathers, but never very many at a time. Even > the turkeys (Bourbon Red) have interesting feathers, although they don't > have the "splash" and drape of the pheasants. > > If anyone here wants to write me privately to see about purchasing, feel > free! I don't think this is the place for flat-out selling, but if you know > of a list where it's welcomed, send info on that too, please. > > Denise B > Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 15:50:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UJo1RY010322 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:50:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UJnwUw019780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UJm1mY084197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UJluX0074159; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:47:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UJlq05073970 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:47:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cd6.154d4ecd (39955) for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:47:42 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:47:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 102 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1880 Ball Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f749cda8-d9a1-4c4c-9cbe-5f48e4539496 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AE40E6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'll probably go to TV for the bodice and skirt patterns too because I don't feel comfortable draping yet, but I'd sure like any suggestions or help you can give me Lynn, If you are going to be at costume college this weekend, get hold of Heather or Laura from Truly Victorian and tell them of your dilemma. If anyone could help you with yardages, style suggestions, adaptations etc. it is these wonderfully, creative women. Then you will have your information for shopping on Monday (I'm going too!) and won't proceed on guess work. I'm sure your daughter will feel like a princess in her gown! Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 16:04:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UK4tOU010880 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:04:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UK4sNG022334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:04:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UK2pYj087460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UK2bj6091528; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UK2Y9p091466 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so7119ugc for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:02:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iV/mkYQzrYyKuQlAptdH2khIoVo81f3A0egiLjxZWNr84ukjN1capTGug7VSlId4wE0BcMezgmNOhYUkcCrPdS9Tm+dibPdr8m0Jal01CWZPd/tQNqcYaEjsjx2J3otRyAEBF9BJ3xImVViNqNrMgYQYYXpyNsf/AzKKizVOIcE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fJqGuS6206p4t87D+TwDrUbe0OUFAaxnBKDSu9kMWhh219UwASGd8A0d1hSl3V6YIl6m8WqTxn71g+Tc8i7BSKgSDeDbUNC3k2Cplt0+mTX23RKtVRUggTbLi1HuoFxbfw2Gt72tfJHQRKnNmbnugRGrMExw7NKz3KGcxvKYso0= Received: by 10.78.145.5 with SMTP id s5mr1609520hud.1185825752980; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0707301302q73e07cc1mb68a12e68706cf1b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:02:32 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 1880 Ball Gown In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 295b2a0e-4cab-4061-a880-fcc3f42231c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AE4466.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, Donna. That was the other reason I needed to get suggestions from the group before I leave tomorrow (the first being shopping for fabric/trim). Spending time with Heather and Laura is always budgeted into my shopping time at Costume College, and I hope they're not too busy I can't talk to them about my project. They are very helpful and have always been quite willing to talk about their designs and variations thereof. Also, if you're going to Costume College and have never taken one of their classes, it's a MUST!! No one else can pack a half day lecture into one hour like they can. They teach like sisters too; they debate and tease the whole time without it ever being unprofessional or annoying. Instead it makes for an even more fun class. Luckily, my daughter has felt like a princess since I agreed to make this dress for her. Then again, she's felt like a princess from the time she was born. LynnD On 7/30/07, FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > I'll probably go to TV for the bodice and skirt patterns too because I don't > feel comfortable draping yet, > but I'd sure like any suggestions or help you can give me > > Lynn, If you are going to be at costume college this weekend, get hold of > Heather or Laura from Truly Victorian and tell them of your dilemma. If anyone > could help you with yardages, style suggestions, adaptations etc. it is > these wonderfully, creative women. Then you will have your information for > shopping on Monday (I'm going too!) and won't proceed on guess work. > > I'm sure your daughter will feel like a princess in her gown! > > Donna Scarfe > Fyne Hats By Felicity > Period Headgear for Past Ages > www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 16:14:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKEJ8P011201 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:14:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UKEI6h009713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:14:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UKCQ5X089299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKCNRs002647; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKCHIG002524 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6028730346; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:11:46 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:12:02 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfRTscFBCsXctP4SWuHXxVKKUD6iwBlpg9g In-Reply-To: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f922bf77-1aa8-430f-bddb-de43e6792a62 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AE469A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just bought a new machine and the salesman said Gutermann thread is horrible and recommended against using it in my new machine. He = recommended some thread (I don't remember the name, started with a "M"). Of course, = I have 50 colors of Gutermann. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Kathy Page Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:37 PM To: Historical Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell NOW I remember why I hate that stuff. I just had the weirdest thing = happen while using it. I am appliqueing a cotton/linen blend midweight fabric and used the = ultra bond, the thread is Gutermann cotton thread. The first two appliques = went fine- a total dream; I was using plain cone thread for that. I switch to = the Gutermann, and all hell breaks loose. The satin stitch starts skipping stitches and the needle is gummed up with sticky goop. I have to clean = off my needle roughly once an inch. Nothing had changed from one pair to the other, except the thread and the weather. I was ripping my hair out = trying to figure out what the problem was. The best we could come up with was = the slight rise in humidity with the new weather front has caused the heat n bond to soften. I even tried to dry it with a hot iron, but that didn't work, either. Anyone else have this happen, and is there anything I can do to make it stop?? Kathy =20 Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a = rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules.=20 It=92s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge.=20 Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can = only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you to = their own image. Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 16:17:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKHEVf011320 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:17:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UKHCP6031848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UKEZFL089826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKEY8w005232; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:14:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKEVCi005156 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A68E4B82006A; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:14:06 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <379961.46007.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] If you could - Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:14:22 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c7d2e6$38288880$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfRVQPUfYH9ewqpTQ2SQrMMDFrGsABkOiLA In-Reply-To: <379961.46007.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69a9dff2-981c-491e-8fe7-e09053527bfe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AE4748.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In college, we had to costume "Midsummer Night's Dream" in a non-European style. The best was the sci-fi version. I always wanted to see that one done up. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:21 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] If you could - which book/story would you like to costume? Why? We were having a discussion the other day about this topic and had some really interesting choices. I myself decided on Brian Daley's "Jinx on a Terran Inheritance" series for the book selection and any Firefly script for the story. Mostly because the styles are pulled from any culture and time period and it would be loads of fun. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 16:18:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKILC2011338 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:18:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UKIKlr018491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:18:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UKGRQG090281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKGQQw007453; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKGO3W007406 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:16:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so8993ugc for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:16:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=deEruhX1svfdxJuZnIjgeJlVW2BCs2sTpgnpbFiNxQATwAXt7pYzH7wM4r6uOOPA7XLWmtckQyQZTTs+tC9U9nrIaKpxrE+Kw4DGQQsT/8eGYt1Yd0pLkcM9r62iKytxD9ZfC9xiDf2Y9eM832JUSOxyCl+xYx3hdeWu/lv7U4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HMoKG95tdUibPfxFSajyKE5yYGWBnN25jy16Kua2yiRrjxyohpyCs1dOIakrtSOtiSQ+GgfqZDuGafPfxd874ZR+1edtJOjGE2oXrC6+sVCebAcVkjGEwUE4Dwo8oWj0MxZ4cLuuUmeBP9/vaIgJHzqTPjm+bqg7A1OGw+u0Wcc= Received: by 10.78.147.6 with SMTP id u6mr1606404hud.1185826582963; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0707301316o68f9fdd5s470d1bbbdd78d374@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:16:22 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell In-Reply-To: <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01bb050a-0b69-4f4e-b080-93f7298f89e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AE478C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hey Sharon, I have an old Kenmore (purchased new mid-1970s) and I use almost only Gutermann thread. I never have any trouble. I've used the Metro-something and had problems. I think it really depends on your machine, and I believe the new ones are fussier than the old ones. Heck, it ran on Coats & Clark for years and ran just fine. LynnD On 7/30/07, Sharon Collier wrote: > I just bought a new machine and the salesman said Gutermann thread is > horrible and recommended against using it in my new machine. He recommend= ed > some thread (I don't remember the name, started with a "M"). Of course, I > have 50 colors of Gutermann. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Kathy Page > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:37 PM > To: Historical Costume List > Subject: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell > > NOW I remember why I hate that stuff. I just had the weirdest thing happe= n > while using it. > > I am appliqueing a cotton/linen blend midweight fabric and used the ultr= a > bond, the thread is Gutermann cotton thread. The first two appliques went > fine- a total dream; I was using plain cone thread for that. I switch to = the > Gutermann, and all hell breaks loose. The satin stitch starts skipping > stitches and the needle is gummed up with sticky goop. I have to clean of= f > my needle roughly once an inch. Nothing had changed from one pair to the > other, except the thread and the weather. I was ripping my hair out tryin= g > to figure out what the problem was. The best we could come up with was th= e > slight rise in humidity with the new weather front has caused the heat n > bond to soften. I even tried to dry it with a hot iron, but that didn't > work, either. > > Anyone else have this happen, and is there anything I can do to make it > stop?? > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a ro= se > Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. > It's never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. > Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can onl= y > assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you to their > own image. > > > > > > Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds > right on your Mail page. Start today at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 17:23:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ULN6Pw013314 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:23:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6ULN6C4027179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:23:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6ULKiLv010899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:20:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ULKdE9090806; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ULKVqs090512 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c94.16c68682 (14457) for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:20:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:20:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6dc62c7b-3c6a-49cb-9dfe-b55bb167d7e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AE56BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 7/30/2007 4:12:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: He recommended some thread (I don't remember the name, started with a "M"). Of course, I have 50 colors of Gutermann. That is probably Metrosene. Funny, I thought Metrosene and Gutermann were about equivalent in quality--both long-staple polyester. I'm pretty sure I can use both in my Bernina. What I can't use, at least on the bobbin, is Coats and Clark (and of course the REALLY cheap stuff is out of the question). Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 18:13:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UMDS6m014892 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:13:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UMDRlc006716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:13:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UMBVHF023029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UMBSlc049671; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:11:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UMBOdd049581 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l6UMBN50022922 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JM000BQMIYZJ8@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.105] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:11:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:11:23 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell In-reply-to: <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <90a3a8e7288b.288b90a3a8e7@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca0f5410-0cc9-420a-8583-3a6a91e4dc60 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AE6287.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I use only Gutermann=2E Coats and Clark snarls in *all* of my sewing machines (I=27ve got several - a couple with horizontal spool feeds and one with a vertical spool feed)=2E I=27ve used Metrosene without incident= =2E = My machines are both foreign and domestic and are antique as well as new=2E= kate ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Sharon Collier =3Csharon=40collierfam=2Ecom=3E Date=3A Monday=2C July 30=2C 2007 4=3A14 pm Subject=3A RE=3A =5Bh-cost=5D Heat n Bond Hell To=3A =27Historical Costume=27 =3Ch-costume=40indra=2Ecom=3E =3E I just bought a new machine and the salesman said Gutermann thread is= =3E horrible and recommended against using it in my new machine=2E He = =3E recommendedsome thread (I don=27t remember the name=2C started with a= = =3E =22M=22)=2E Of course=2C I =3E have 50 colors of Gutermann=2E =3E = =3E -----Original Message----- =3E From=3A h-costume-bounces=40indra=2Ecom =5Bmailto=3Ah-costume- =3E bounces=40indra=2Ecom=5D On =3E Behalf Of Kathy Page =3E Sent=3A Saturday=2C July 28=2C 2007 12=3A37 PM =3E To=3A Historical Costume List =3E Subject=3A =5Bh-cost=5D Heat n Bond Hell =3E = =3E NOW I remember why I hate that stuff=2E I just had the weirdest thing= = =3E happenwhile using it=2E =3E = =3E I am appliqueing a cotton/linen blend midweight fabric and used = =3E the ultra =3E bond=2C the thread is Gutermann cotton thread=2E The first two = =3E appliques went =3E fine- a total dream=3B I was using plain cone thread for that=2E I = =3E switch to the =3E Gutermann=2C and all hell breaks loose=2E The satin stitch starts ski= pping =3E stitches and the needle is gummed up with sticky goop=2E I have to = =3E clean off =3E my needle roughly once an inch=2E Nothing had changed from one pair = =3E to the =3E other=2C except the thread and the weather=2E I was ripping my hair o= ut = =3E tryingto figure out what the problem was=2E The best we could come up= = =3E with was the =3E slight rise in humidity with the new weather front has caused the = =3E heat n =3E bond to soften=2E I even tried to dry it with a hot iron=2C but that = =3E didn=27twork=2C either=2E =3E = =3E Anyone else have this happen=2C and is there anything I can do to = =3E make it =3E stop=3F=3F =3E = =3E Kathy =3E = =3E Ermine=2C a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder = =3E with a rose =3E Or barbed=2C seeded=2C slipped and leaved vert =3E (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules=2E = =3E It=3Fs never too late to be who you might have been=2E =3E -George Eliot =3E Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc=2E - Questioning is the beginning of = =3E knowledge=2E = =3E Who you are is contained inside=2C and no one can change that=2E They= = =3E can only =3E assist you in denying who you are=2C but not indelibly reshape you to= = =3E theirown image=2E =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E = =3E Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jul 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I just bought a new machine and the salesman said Gutermann thread is > horrible and recommended against using it in my new machine. He =20 > recommended > some thread (I don't remember the name, started with a "M"). Of =20 > course, I > have 50 colors of Gutermann. It's probably Mettler Metrosene polyester thread, or perhaps =20 M=F6lnlycke polyester thread. This is the first time, though, that I've =20= heard bad things about G=FCtermann thread. There's a fun page at of microphotography of different threads. Metrosene, =20 M=F6lnlycke and G=FCtermann all look really good in the microphotography = =20 test. andy= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 19:46:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UNkSMe017907 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6UNkR7W020477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:46:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6UKfZMA097127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:41:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKfXvW038365; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6UKfTu1038192 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 117182812 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:41:24 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:43:13 -0500 Message-ID: <006a01c7d2ea$4050b600$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfRTscFBCsXctP4SWuHXxVKKUD6iwBlpg9gAACMgNA= X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 39, in=52, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thread, fusible webs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97f5e8ef-9e1b-42ea-9b4f-1c5447c87e97 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AE7853.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've been reading the posts about stitching through Heat and Bond, and what sewing machine salesmen have to say about threads. There are MANY brands of fusible web on the market. Personally, I never use Heat n Bond, even if I get some free. Nasty stuff. If you must use it for sewing through, get the LIGHT version. The regular stuff is not meant to be sewn. Check out other brands at your local fabric or quilt shop. Another alternative is a temporary spray adhesive. I recommend Sulky KK2000. Guterman is quality thread, and should not give you any trouble, UNLESS you happen to have some of the spools that were made in Mexico. (The label will say Mexico). They tried this for a while, and quickly dropped it--the thread was very poor quality. That was several years ago. Mettler makes polyester all-purpose thread (Metrosene) and cotton thread in several weights. I like Mettler silk-finish cotton for both hand and machine sewing. It has a smooth, shiny finish, but is completely cotton. They also make a cotton embroidery thread, which is finer. It isn't strong enough for constructing seams. Mettler makes polyester threads on large cones designed for sergers also. They sell a line of cotton thread designated for hand quilting, but I prefer to use the silk-finish cotton for hand quilting--it looks nicer, and flows more smoothly. J&P Coats also makes quality thread, I have no qualms about using it. If your machine holds the spool horizontally, Coats spools may not work as well (mine is vertical). One thread that can give you problems in any brand is black. For some reason, that is harder to manufacture without slubs. If you get a bad spool of black, return it for exchange. A well made sewing machine, in good working order, should NOT have any trouble with Guterman thread--machine salesmen sometimes tell you these things as an excuse when the machine they want to sell you isn't sewing properly. (no flames from salespersons, please--I used to be one myself. I know that not all of us are unscrupulous.) Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 21:31:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V1V2ck019410 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:31:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V1V1xD023135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:31:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V1T2Xv062608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V1SwsF039052; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6V1St2C038946 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 37950 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 01:28:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=czMS6l/fTSm20iC/Nnn89W6DLWvDNoDW6BandLEHBCrceaMImpMrz1hkqLpBkR9Z2YH3Wn4XgGTNRi1zrrD2Iv3HpScZ+1du02sGwPZJNOg9rt7yt6p/TomVXNnyvbo1EsKGK189m49EyafiiO5cYQCWxdXsEfIrjRmjTk16Vrg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings-- > I am appliqueing a cotton/linen blend midweight fabric and used the ultra > bond, the thread is Gutermann cotton thread. The first two appliques went > fine- a total dream; I was using plain cone thread for that. I switch to the > Gutermann, and all hell breaks loose. The satin stitch starts skipping > stitches and the needle is gummed up with sticky goop. I have to clean off > my needle roughly once an inch. Nothing had changed from one pair to the > other, except the thread and the weather. I was ripping my hair out trying > to figure out what the problem was. The best we could come up with was the > slight rise in humidity with the new weather front has caused the heat n > bond to soften. I even tried to dry it with a hot iron, but that didn't > work, either. > > Anyone else have this happen, and is there anything I can do to make it > stop?? It may actually be that your cone thread is thinner than the Gutermann. It's also probably poly, and probably slips through easier. Cotton does tend to catch more easily, as it's usually not all that slippery (unless it's the "silk finish" type someone else mentioned. Others have pointed out the issues with Heat n' Bond, particularly the Ultra. I discovered this myself many, many years ago, which is why I switched to Wonder Under for applique work. Sticks it down just well enough to keep things steady and in place, and is not plasticky-gummy at all. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 21:57:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V1vQ6V019646 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:57:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V1vFFr023444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V1td7a066154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V1tcA6061562; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6V1tZWp061471 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:55:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70405 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2007 01:55:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yE1Xffxcc7MUN124lLjxwCs0D4oDsm6JWxnz8eYKbgv8li2Hi2qj/oxnBXGACW3v9DrAVwCm2HkO2P7mA2LBL7yEAdb4QntQXfmI0AI7sbDdYK93qMbVwfUZtXvJrulDWYhI0yPv1nnzIRBEL+lCAFp4CaXS4UpokIIEkArz4ec=; X-YMail-OSG: 3NPaqScVM1khTVQkeAMCodFsk2.3rQ24crgREHtQ3xrw5ygxvov2FLOuTuPXEFUvkEPsgq4uMcQ2CwaQv60dbblOuJVTM2VLiuhnGW9x3bNNg.UEXLvEqRUXm9Yg_w-- Received: from [69.182.135.153] by web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:55:30 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <242001.67206.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Machine versus thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fa7d08d-7db2-4acb-aa23-de11316f26bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AE96FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- Sharon Collier wrote: > I just bought a new machine and the salesman said > Gutermann thread is > horrible and recommended against using it in my new > machine. He recommended > some thread (I don't remember the name, started with > a "M"). Of course, I > have 50 colors of Gutermann. probably Metrosene, and probably spelled wrong. :) As I understand it, the twist and grist of thread varies from one company to the next, and almost certainly within a company between fibers and types. And this relates to the mechanics of physically making a stitch, which varies between machines and companies. So some people turn their noses up at Coats & Clark cotton-covered polyester thread, as it does not work in their (often European designed) machines. They find it to fluff itself to shreds. 'you must always use gutermann' they often say. Now, my main sewing machine is a 1951 cast iron Singer monstrosity, but has run fine for 20 years in my ownership. This machine finds the staple end of Gutermann three and four and five times in a spool! Whereas good ol' Coats & Clark runs just fine. So, try sewing on your new machine with Gutermann, and if your machine sews poorly with it, even with different needles & such, try the recommended brand and see if it's an improvement. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 22:10:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V2A37W019771 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:10:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V2A1St012402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:10:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V285wE067429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V284bG071621; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V282JH071548 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so535009rvf for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QH4sHa95liWS3clwDftpo5moSjEudALv9pr604yZK7+ui7M4aAuJ8LdgNxfkkFnKYzdJ5z+AV0tfuSQsl7H8OTd3Qw8BXbxbpGfJC0k5exlG/8VQTyaukd+ww5umFh2DO/e0/ebxVaWpF15+YpWrHZ1IdfzMFtALijYksydQ9v4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rzWdb4JRVt/rsGClKAPcdMidFwoa41664u6FXJ5Y78YQ7ApchWsZfr9YlAH0jRar5MiFT6mJOyszeyi+6O2Am3Haf9yw7fvrZki7h2y3HMx2brlVXk87S8lmlkX/L3koThR2z6O5aJTsZNMKgTeu65ikn9ivuxNho16Ifhsun/s= Received: by 10.141.108.21 with SMTP id k21mr2039658rvm.1185847678906; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.42.1 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0707301907m68c2cd2hce9670b36875a47e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:07:58 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Machine versus thread In-Reply-To: <242001.67206.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <242001.67206.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd7813c7-0a97-4957-971b-aa0fb641cc74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AE99F9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > I just bought a new machine and the salesman said > > Gutermann thread is > > horrible and recommended against using it in my new > > machine. He recommended > > some thread (I don't remember the name, started with > > a "M"). Of course, I > > have 50 colors of Gutermann. > > probably Metrosene, and probably spelled wrong. :) Metrosene is fantastic in my Husquvarna of the late 50s/early 60s. It is also especially good for modern fabrics with a high polyester/nylon/lycra content as it won't shred. So the fabric you are sewing with also plays a part in how well a thread stands up. Also needles. Sometimes the eye will be still rough and cuts the thread so sometimes the same makes size and type of needle in the same pack can lead to shredding. I have had no trouble with Gutermann cottons in my machine except for the black. And that goes for their poly thread as well. I wonder if it has anything to do with the dye being corrosive on the thread at all. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glitterswet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 22:22:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V2MUZ1019896 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:22:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V2MTgk023839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:22:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V2JmEQ069028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V2Jlke081236; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V2JjpR081168 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so537260rvf for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:19:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mydFY7+CpLVwABn7olgI1WqAwbSi/s19zjGPQtaPQxoeqoGmm6brepfrPqaVbWd+F7uY5XUNZZ5JyiBSKBJkX8FhhFK7yecxhPitFb7livJ2P6R9R61HK2PHNzrFDcEr9TMNkTacJ6B9F6b4QfIb3FNmD1Ea0fFZ3SVNElc3oAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=TGChRo3ezteB9erV/b/QNEBbBBNVH291RVTKGsQ1qSA59BIxJrnOlrHOkK03WJcWTzRuaN3eWIXYxtTHnH3GOBspZcyu+Q8iiTSe6bIYu4Rsv4SBxRxpjb9dimedAeGPMOPsjbhTurbO5x+refqAqBp5X6IuUsxSixoqCC5Dztk= Received: by 10.141.42.10 with SMTP id u10mr2038063rvj.1185848382556; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.42.1 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0707301919u5bcad2baqea4006cfcf8d9a91@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:19:42 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Updates to my site, input desired X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2268c224-2b2d-45d5-9539-adf5806bcbfd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AE9CE5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Kia ora all, I now have time and resources to update my website. I have just finally updated the Extant garments page under the Spanish section as well as a list of links to recreations of Spanish dress of the 16thC. http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm (some links from this list I believe?) http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/recreations.htm I am about to prettify both the Saya Espanola and Frazzled Frau sections and also update them both. Better spellchecking being one must do;) Does anyone have any particular desire for the Frazzled Frau section? In terms of content I mean. I am thinking about looking at a geographical page to show some basic styles from the main cities for instance. It won't be comprehensive but it might help in a first step. Possibly with a map to refer to. If I do a page of links to recreations it will only be to pages of people who have notes and/or a dress diary. There are so many wonderful recreations out there that it can be intimidating or overwhelming just to look at picture after picture. So if you know of any dress diary/information pages please let me know and I'll start bookmarking (please feel free to do this off list as it may clutter the list up.) My own costume section needs updating too but that will have to wait as I have no pictures of recent work that really shows it off well. And I need to get permission to use images;) Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 22:51:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V2pKnT020302 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:51:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V2pJM6029131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:51:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V2nOWH072830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:49:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V2nLOW011408; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:49:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V2nIlq011350 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31049 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:54:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:54:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <516583.86762.qm@web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Selling stuff (was: Peach silk for sale?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8a37852-f40e-4405-bc9d-16dd90a0f06b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AEA3A7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Sheridan Alder wrote: > I'll probably get my knuckles rapped for trying to flog stuff on the > list, but my excuse is that members of h-costume group will probably > appreciate it more than anyone else - I have silk I'd like to sell. H-cost has a coupole of spinoff lists just for this purpose. Probably time to remind people where to find them! (Very low traffic, so not at all a burden to stay signed on.) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumetrader/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/ Reminds me, I should unload some of my old costumes. They will never ever fit me again... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 30 23:40:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V3e5TL020892 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:40:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V3e4n5025923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:40:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V28iU7067518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V28hps072110; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V28cwQ072044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6V2AdIe005814 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:10:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46AE99A3.8060302@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:08:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Machine versus thread References: <242001.67206.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <242001.67206.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5e20854-c2dc-4134-ab7d-8d67831f0412 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AEAF14.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ann Catelli wrote: > Now, my main sewing machine is a 1951 cast iron Singer > monstrosity, but has run fine for 20 years in my > ownership. This machine finds the staple end of > Gutermann three and four and five times in a spool! > Whereas good ol' Coats & Clark runs just fine. > Likewise with my 20 year old Kenmore sewing machine. > So, try sewing on your new machine with Gutermann, and > if your machine sews poorly with it, even with > different needles & such, try the recommended brand > and see if it's an improvement. Good advice. Sewing machines seem prosaic, but they're really quite precise power tools; they have to have good engineering to handle such a thin thing (thread). Sounds like some of the supercilious repair people need to remember it's science, not black magic! cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 00:23:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V4NCZ0021465 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:23:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V4NB7S031743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V4LSTP085887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V4LPic090532; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6V4LM7o090389 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 69864 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2007 04:21:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=U3y93LK5H+0fbeNa0u78aWY8dXiBrKzNkxm9kTRPEQNKQ0ViD0zTbRWmkprkIEZxS0Y9bXjJxLlkOrJOVTQxRG/ZL84yRPpZRNlj846WdK8sMx8GnoixieWFvZcLw4y8NJx/JtJawNV7LICjaFjBooFqL/8MA+RKz3p/dmuO9sI=; X-YMail-OSG: g5f5dOUVM1n.ov5WZg0uHUjAdudMcDX11L4LjmNjfG3bljY5Qopshq1MpT9_en9G.w-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:21:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <51287.69392.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Heat n Bond Hell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c28c0cf4-4847-43d4-a14a-21f93af36491 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AEB92F.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks for the suggestions.=0A=0AI chose the ultra because I had enough of = it on hand, and the garment in question will see hard wear. I wouldn't trus= t the ultra to hold without help under repeated beatings and heavy washing.= Also the motif has internal detail that was best served by sewing them on = rather than painting. Also, given that this is an Anglo-Scandinavian fighti= ng tunic, paint just doesn't seem right. ;-)=0AThe cone thread could very p= ossibly be poly, I have no clue. Thinner is almost a definite possibility, = however. I had replaced the needle, ran it with another fabric scrap, rethr= eaded it, respun the bobbin, you name the troubleshooting, I did it. Nothin= g worked. Ultimately, I just had to fight my way through having to clean th= e needle and scrape it with my seam ripper once an inch or less, until the = project was finished. The stitching isn't as perfect as I would prefer it, = but I'm taking what I can get. Much to my delight, it's all but complete, I= 'm just hemming the monster now. Whew!=0AMy machine, a #1+, takes just abou= t anything, short of metallic threads. Even with a metallic needle, it stil= l eats it for breakfast. But everything else runs like a dream through it. = I simply prefer Gutermann for the durability and smooth finish of the seam.= =0ANormally, I use Sullivan's Fray Stop Spray and a spray on adhesive comb= ination to applique with. That Sullivan's is brilliant stuff, especially on= velvet cutwork. Spray the wrong side, let dry, and cut with an exacto blad= e. 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See h= ow smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo!= Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 00:26:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V4Q873021507 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:26:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V4Q73Y000373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:26:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V4OWce086305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V4OWLw092923; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:24:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V4ORjf092786 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:24:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=ZnJ5Z5sZf3w4gXnLfPOfM4lLWttCt8qDdvWP9E2LPzHavQwYGQLjrI5JTMfHfMCM; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IFjHQ-0004H2-CJ for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:24:20 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070730231735.03331eb0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:21:52 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200707310129.l6V1T0JY039074@net.indra.com> References: <200707310129.l6V1T0JY039074@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5319735649da6fce1fe01cb148e7695e9da72d35a5a8003482350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d0dc504-c01d-4dc8-9baa-c7d7cf237aab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AEB9DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And we use almost exclusively Coats & Clarks for all regular sewing, and have no problems at all. I have a Janome 11000, and hubby has a Husqvarna Designer 1. Embroidery is a different kettle....Sulky is OK but breaks a lot. We both like Robison/Anton (R/A) rayon thread better, especially in metallics. Sulky bobbin thread is icky. It's fuzzy and tends to come up and show on the top of the embroidery. The Janome brand bobbin thread that came with my machine was pretty good, but the last I used was Brother and it was great. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 01:12:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V5CNa7022291 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:12:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6V5CMFd017587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:12:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6V5AI18092564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V59jnZ027181; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6V58p65026450 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c3f.18079c0e (60470) for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d14 (mblk-d14.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.6]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v118.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM023-ec3646aec3d9fc; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:08:41 -0400 References: <200707310129.l6V1T0JZ039074@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:08:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200707310129.l6V1T0JZ039074@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: maddnancy@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 29047 Received: from 24.211.250.131 by mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.6) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:08:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9A147FEC150C6-884-CDF@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.6 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Spin of Gutermann thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f10f7685-850d-464f-959c-96bbc124e2c7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AEC4B6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The recent discussion reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask. I was taught that for hand sewing the recommendation was to use a single strand of thread, not doubled over all the way, and that you should knot it at the end that was just cut off the spool.? This method would help prevent tangling and twisting as you would be sewing in a compatible direction to the twist of the thread (and I don't remember whether it is S or Z).? Recently someone mentioned that they thought Gutermann was spun in the opposite direction from most sewing thread, and she wondered if she should change knot position for this. Any ideas? Thanks, Nancy S. U. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 06:46:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VAkr0p015216 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:46:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VAkqXI028483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:46:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VAirYi079844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VAiniD022359; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VAija1022237 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 11220675-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: -7.7 X-RemoteIP: 79.72.44.86 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=uVvxdk72TilI4YwytSgA:9 a=g4Nk3gGZsvJPeSC1Uryt6w1z4nQA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.19,203,1183330800"; d="scan'208";a="11220675" Received: from unknown (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.44.86]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2007 11:43:45 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070731114246.047984a0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:44:07 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <006a01c7bf34$548d27d0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070704121811.010f1498@suziclarke.co.uk> <000001c7beed$4e92d240$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <7.0.1.0.2.20070705115429.02820530@suziclarke.co.uk> <006a01c7bf34$548d27d0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book search? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f7f8a24-a4b8-40df-b63a-f4c23960f474 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AF131D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A friend of mine is looking for the following book. Any ideas? She is in the U.K. so Library searches in the U.K. are preferable, but she would actually like to buy a copy. Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and Grooming Practices 1000-1600 Authors: Daniela Turudich, Laurie J. Welch Format: Paperback, 198 pages Publication Date: June 2003 Publisher: Streamline Pr ISBN-10: 193006408X ISBN-13: 9781930064089 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 08:22:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VCMrMQ000743 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:22:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VCMqko010827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VCL1XJ097959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VCKR5n001103; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:20:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VCKMDO001004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:20:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6VCMIdD007023 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:22:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46AF2900.9070100@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:20:16 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book search? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > > A friend of mine is looking for the following book. Any ideas? She is > in the U.K. so Library searches in the U.K. are preferable, but she > would actually like to buy a copy. > > Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and > Grooming Practices 1000-1600 Hmm, my first reply bounced... The book was never published, as I recall, from posts on this list about it. You might find more details by searching the archives. It's a pity; many people here wanted to read it! cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 08:53:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VCrYxP001607 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:53:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VCrXFX030112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VCpj7v004009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VCphGC027827; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf2b.socket.net [216.106.88.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VBXatI062075 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A73043F775 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:33:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book search? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Daniela_Turudich.html Amazon no longer carries it. -----Original Message----- A friend of mine is looking for the following book. Any ideas? She is in the U.K. so Library searches in the U.K. are preferable, but she would actually like to buy a copy. Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and Grooming Practices 1000-1600 Authors: Daniela Turudich, Laurie J. Welch Format: Paperback, 198 pages Publication Date: June 2003 Publisher: Streamline Pr ISBN-10: 193006408X ISBN-13: 9781930064089 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 09:26:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VDQenS002691 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:26:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VDQdXm032143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:26:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VDOett010053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:24:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VDOb1V058127; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:24:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VDOY4L057985 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 11233232-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: -7.7 X-RemoteIP: 79.72.44.86 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=z3P9NCSuAAAA:8 a=F6_H5u5XNOpaxmXvvUMA:9 a=l-ydgmxEzhewWrg9qu-YjZu0_TsA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.19,204,1183330800"; d="scan'208";a="11233232" Received: from unknown (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.44.86]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2007 14:23:53 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070731142328.04814668@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:23:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book search? In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070731114246.047984a0@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d1aac13-1db5-4d5d-bb6b-6e9103d7869b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AF388F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 12:33 31/07/2007, you wrote: >http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Daniela_Turudich.html > >Amazon no longer carries it. > >-----Original Message----- >A friend of mine is looking for the following book. Any ideas? She is >in the U.K. so Library searches in the U.K. are preferable, but she >would actually like to buy a copy. > >Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and >Grooming Practices 1000-1600 > >Authors: Daniela Turudich, Laurie J. Welch >Format: Paperback, 198 pages >Publication Date: June 2003 >Publisher: Streamline Pr >ISBN-10: 193006408X >ISBN-13: 9781930064089 Thanks I've passed the info on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 10:34:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VEYEhk004672 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:34:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VEYDXO001818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VEW0EI023459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VEVsmE026305; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.america.net (qsmtp3.america.net [69.60.160.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VEVp2U026226 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200707311431.l6VEVp2U026226@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.244] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp3.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IFslK-0005P2-CU for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:31:50 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:31:35 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spin of Gutermann thread? In-Reply-To: <8C9A147FEC150C6-884-CDF@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> References: <200707310129.l6V1T0JZ039074@net.indra.com> <8C9A147FEC150C6-884-CDF@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 156b4626-e860-4439-8dab-eac3104cc95c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AF4865.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 12:08 AM 7/31/2007, you wrote: >The recent discussion reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask. > >I was taught that for hand sewing the recommendation was to use a >single strand of thread, not doubled over all the way, and that you >should knot it at the end that was just cut off the spool.? This >method would help prevent tangling and twisting as you would be >sewing in a compatible direction to the twist of the thread (and I >don't remember whether it is S or Z).? Recently someone mentioned >that they thought Gutermann was spun in the opposite direction from >most sewing thread, and she wondered if she should change knot >position for this. > >Any ideas? Being left handed, this is opposite for me. As for that, I really think that it depends on how you use your needle. I find that I tend to end up with a slightly bent needle, no matter how I try not to, and my needle then always sits in my hand the same way. Even then, there is an amount of twist that occurs from pulling the thread trough the cloth. My suggestion would be to just try in, and see how the thread reacts and compensate, if needed. Good luck to your friend, Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 14:17:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIHa7Y010835 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:17:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VIHZnk010637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:17:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VIFSne069658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIFHtL089108; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:15:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf2b.socket.net [216.106.88.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIF8v3088958 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 12E283FA10 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:15:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book search? Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:15:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <46AF2900.9070100@thibault.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 036cfd79-3043-4404-8644-3a1aadc7ca34 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AF7CBF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.fetchbook.info/fwd_description/search_9781930064089.html Alleged to have come out in 2003 others say 2004. But you may be correct for when I scrolled down the with the first posted url it said "can't find the book with any of their members." The above url gives the impression that they may have it but don't hold your breath. De -----Original Message----- Suzi Clarke wrote: > > A friend of mine is looking for the following book. Any ideas? She is > in the U.K. so Library searches in the U.K. are preferable, but she > would actually like to buy a copy. > > Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and > Grooming Practices 1000-1600 Hmm, my first reply bounced... The book was never published, as I recall, from posts on this list about it. You might find more details by searching the archives. It's a pity; many people here wanted to read it! cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 14:36:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIaDKd011325 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:36:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VIaCLK029940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:36:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VIY6Mb073193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIY37F009605; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIY11T009446 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:34:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.22]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:33:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:33:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book search? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Last I heard, the right's to the books publication was in limbo because = the original publisher went under.... On another hand, I just read a review of The Artifice of Beauty = (Tournaments Illuminated Issue 163) which looks promising for some = similar material. The reviewer says this among other things. "Others, = such as the utility of pomade for the hair or that bathing and washing = were done with some regularity in pre-modern periods, may explode some = cherished myths." http://tinyurl.com/2wnwfu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 14:39:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIdLds011443 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:39:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VIdK96023878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:39:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VIbXCB074903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIb32H013977; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VIau6k013650 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070731183650.GPBC21069.fep30.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:36:50 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.47]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070731183650.IMVL9217.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:36:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c7d3a1$ca0132a0$2f43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200707310129.l6V1T0JZ039074@net.indra.com><8C9A147FEC150C6-884-CDF@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> <200707311431.l6VEVp2U026226@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spin of Gutermann thread? Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:37:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.47] at Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:36:48 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3737b05a-ae6c-444c-9e18-5aecab46c049 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AF81D8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thats excactly what happens to me two, also when i embroider. Its very very annoying because i have to replace the needles all the time. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genie Barrett" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spin of Gutermann thread? > At 12:08 AM 7/31/2007, you wrote: > >>The recent discussion reminded me of a question I've been meaning to ask. >> >>I was taught that for hand sewing the recommendation was to use a single >>strand of thread, not doubled over all the way, and that you should knot >>it at the end that was just cut off the spool.? This method would help >>prevent tangling and twisting as you would be sewing in a compatible >>direction to the twist of the thread (and I don't remember whether it is S >>or Z).? Recently someone mentioned that they thought Gutermann was spun in >>the opposite direction from most sewing thread, and she wondered if she >>should change knot position for this. >> >>Any ideas? > > > Being left handed, this is opposite for me. As for that, I really think > that it depends on how you use your needle. I find that I tend to end up > with a slightly bent needle, no matter how I try not to, and my needle > then always sits in my hand the same way. Even then, there is an amount > of twist that occurs from pulling the thread trough the cloth. > > My suggestion would be to just try in, and see how the thread reacts and > compensate, if needed. > > Good luck to your friend, > Genie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 15:34:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJYr81013320 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:34:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VJYqkd002279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VJXDKx086641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJXBMt081748; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:33:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJD0PP057747 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 11329769-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: -7.7 X-RemoteIP: 79.72.44.86 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=cLHDWSdqAFh-29H3r6kA:9 a=lL3AwncO1MeMHCDuqFGrVWvewLMA:4 a=97YsImK3CKEA:10 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.19,204,1183330800"; d="scan'208";a="11329769" Received: from 79-72-44-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.44.86]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2007 20:12:38 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070731201131.048424a0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:12:51 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book search? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a5b7db9-f3d6-41b3-a897-ee652573fc1b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AF8EDC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:34 31/07/2007, you wrote: >Last I heard, the right's to the books publication was in limbo >because the original publisher went under.... > >On another hand, I just read a review of The Artifice of Beauty >(Tournaments Illuminated Issue 163) which looks promising for some >similar material. The reviewer says this among other >things. "Others, such as the utility of pomade for the hair or that >bathing and washing were done with some regularity in pre-modern >periods, may explode some cherished myths." > >http://tinyurl.com/2wnwfu I have this book, and it is great - very up to date research, and some interesting recipes. And Sally is a really nice person - makes plague rats for my cat (and others) to kill!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 15:34:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJYvtt013323 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:34:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VJYu1f021732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:35:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VJWbh2086438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJWKQY080505; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJCF8L056700; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llyonet@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070731191210.LLJF9166.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:12:10 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml11 ([172.18.52.58]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id WKC91X00E1FLnZ00000000; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:12:09 -0400 Received: from 72.205.216.254 by webmail.east.cox.net; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:12:08 -0400 Message-ID: <8026514.1185909129565.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:12:09 -0400 From: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Updates to my Site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68e70201-d63a-4afc-9401-51a4b4b05196 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AF8EE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I know a lady that is looking for the painting of a german frau who is wearing triangular shaped pieced bits that make up the different bands on her sleeves? I am not well versed in German Ren, but I am guessing 1525-50. Her dress is dark, IIRC with these distictive red and yellow parts (kinda pennet shaped) sewn together to make the bands on the sleeves and perhaps some on the plasteron. (but I can not trust my memory). Do you have that piccie? Is there one of her whole dress? This Honorable Lady would like to recreate the dress and wonders if the piece work on banded on the skirt too. Thanks for your time and effort and your site ROCKS! Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 15:35:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJZesT013350 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:35:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VJZdA6018759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:35:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VJXh2M086863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:33:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJXesw082452; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJGLCx061826 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AA6951D0003C; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:15:53 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com><003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <8296995c0707301316o68f9fdd5s470d1bbbdd78d374@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:16:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c7d3a7$42418da0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfS5o/JcXkAzy4UR8uBqkNvHc6FuAAwIjAw In-Reply-To: <8296995c0707301316o68f9fdd5s470d1bbbdd78d374@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4bbfccd-a65a-4546-a3eb-b2b03969da7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AF8F0B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am still using the Gutermann, and so far, no problems.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell Hey Sharon, I have an old Kenmore (purchased new mid-1970s) and I use almost only Gutermann thread. I never have any trouble. I've used the = Metro-something and had problems. I think it really depends on your machine, and I = believe the new ones are fussier than the old ones. Heck, it ran on Coats & Clark for years and ran just fine. LynnD On 7/30/07, Sharon Collier wrote: > I just bought a new machine and the salesman said Gutermann thread is=20 > horrible and recommended against using it in my new machine. He=20 > recommended some thread (I don't remember the name, started with a=20 > "M"). Of course, I have 50 colors of Gutermann. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = > On Behalf Of Kathy Page > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:37 PM > To: Historical Costume List > Subject: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell > > NOW I remember why I hate that stuff. I just had the weirdest thing=20 > happen while using it. > > I am appliqueing a cotton/linen blend midweight fabric and used the=20 > ultra bond, the thread is Gutermann cotton thread. The first two=20 > appliques went > fine- a total dream; I was using plain cone thread for that. I switch=20 > to the Gutermann, and all hell breaks loose. The satin stitch starts=20 > skipping stitches and the needle is gummed up with sticky goop. I have = > to clean off my needle roughly once an inch. Nothing had changed from=20 > one pair to the other, except the thread and the weather. I was=20 > ripping my hair out trying to figure out what the problem was. The=20 > best we could come up with was the slight rise in humidity with the=20 > new weather front has caused the heat n bond to soften. I even tried=20 > to dry it with a hot iron, but that didn't work, either. > > Anyone else have this happen, and is there anything I can do to make=20 > it stop?? > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a = > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. > It's never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of = knowledge. > Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can=20 > only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you=20 > to their own image. > > > > > > Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS=20 > feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at=20 > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 15:51:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJpqSA013841 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:51:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VJppDE008003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:51:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VJnlS1091490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJnkAm002731; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:49:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from lsh114.siteprotect.com (lsh114.siteprotect.com [66.113.130.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJnhRJ002656 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from candace (c-71-230-52-64.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.230.52.64]) by lsh114.siteprotect.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id l6VJngw18868 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:49:42 -0500 From: "Candace Perry" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <8026514.1185909129565.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German reformation era costume demonstrators X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7907d061-8107-462a-b16f-c2eb304e8339 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46AF92D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Please forgive me if this is not an appropriate place to post this; I am = new to the list (enjoying it thoroughly, I might add) I was inspired to = post this by another post! I am wondering where I might be able to contact individuals who might be = interested in presenting=20 a program about German reformation era dress. Ideally these persons = would be located within a reasonable driving distance to Montgomery = County, PA, which is adjacent to Philadephia. =20 I am the curator for a small museum in Pennsburg, Montgomery County that = interprets the history of a small German Protestant group, the roots of = which date to the Reformation. I am always looking for ways to make the = Reformation history come to life for our audiences who may never have = the opportunity to visit the old world sites and museums. All ideas are welcome. =20 Thank you for allowing me to interject! Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center www.schwenkfelder.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 17:13:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VLDEpC016151 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:13:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VLDDfY031173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:13:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VJY8hU087007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:34:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJY5En082999; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VJJo3W065614 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB3C16630330; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:19:24 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com><003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <006a01c7d2ea$4050b600$bb00a8c0@anteckim> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Thread, fusible webs Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:19:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c7d3a7$bf7fc750$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfRTscFBCsXctP4SWuHXxVKKUD6iwBlpg9gAACMgNAAL+0hIA== In-Reply-To: <006a01c7d2ea$4050b600$bb00a8c0@anteckim> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d49527af-796e-4150-924e-90216ab62c1a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AFA5E9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The guy did mention it came from Mexico, so maybe he is behind the times (or just wanted to sell me a lot of expensive thread). I didn't buy any though, because my sewing box is full of Gutermann. I personally have never had any trouble with it. I did have trouble with Dual Duty breaking, which is why I switched to Gutermann in the first place. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kim Baird Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:43 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Thread, fusible webs I've been reading the posts about stitching through Heat and Bond, and what sewing machine salesmen have to say about threads. There are MANY brands of fusible web on the market. Personally, I never use Heat n Bond, even if I get some free. Nasty stuff. If you must use it for sewing through, get the LIGHT version. The regular stuff is not meant to be sewn. Check out other brands at your local fabric or quilt shop. Another alternative is a temporary spray adhesive. I recommend Sulky KK2000. Guterman is quality thread, and should not give you any trouble, UNLESS you happen to have some of the spools that were made in Mexico. (The label will say Mexico). They tried this for a while, and quickly dropped it--the thread was very poor quality. That was several years ago. Mettler makes polyester all-purpose thread (Metrosene) and cotton thread in several weights. I like Mettler silk-finish cotton for both hand and machine sewing. It has a smooth, shiny finish, but is completely cotton. They also make a cotton embroidery thread, which is finer. It isn't strong enough for constructing seams. Mettler makes polyester threads on large cones designed for sergers also. They sell a line of cotton thread designated for hand quilting, but I prefer to use the silk-finish cotton for hand quilting--it looks nicer, and flows more smoothly. J&P Coats also makes quality thread, I have no qualms about using it. If your machine holds the spool horizontally, Coats spools may not work as well (mine is vertical). One thread that can give you problems in any brand is black. For some reason, that is harder to manufacture without slubs. If you get a bad spool of black, return it for exchange. A well made sewing machine, in good working order, should NOT have any trouble with Guterman thread--machine salesmen sometimes tell you these things as an excuse when the machine they want to sell you isn't sewing properly. (no flames from salespersons, please--I used to be one myself. I know that not all of us are unscrupulous.) Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 18:12:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VMCYET018134 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:12:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VMCXh7024679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:12:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VMAYsE019433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:10:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VMASox065500; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:10:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.254]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6VMAO4o065344 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39776 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2007 22:10:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dnf2T1KqBt6KklZcFrP2woLpllefVtMPNzQMtBMXYRb9uSe8OlAwC/WrEQPdRp7UsSoqjfv4EuNye71QRuY+OBa28KGJJ694A6VDfJVgukE10iMSRXPxR7GCmxg7x8oPisC91mhDpx8+/mPuFF335EwuZRDoZ9o6I3WhR+NsJHg=; X-YMail-OSG: 0fVa5rMVM1kpZRH1suIz2J45DpFFsE1j0GTWMKbHy18vuYO1S9p4YL5qBm.5DkNBVuG5a5rSGQ-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:10:19 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:10:19 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c168981-89ea-45cd-8052-ed152006b3df X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AFB3D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 19:23:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VNNZtw020638 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:23:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VNNYRq011311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:23:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6VNLkfv038235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VNLhGg042016; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VNLdIU041852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-21-154.desm.qwest.net [75.162.21.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6VNLX5x023116 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200707311800.l6VI0BJ5071704@net.indra.com> References: <200707311800.l6VI0BJ5071704@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <6F499ACF-69AF-4AB0-92F5-F168FB194A0E@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:21:32 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3836/Tue Jul 31 16:37:08 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 360 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b06a4aba-f299-4f0e-9819-d54931f03e3c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AFC476.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Amazon NEVER carried it. I had it on order for over a year and they finally said it was Not Available. I assume that the book never made it to publication. (A friend told me that one of Turudich's other desperately-hard-to-find titles was pulled by the author because she wasn't satisfied with the first printing.) Suzanne On Jul 31, 2007, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: "otsisto" > Date: July 31, 2007 6:33:57 AM CDT > To: "Historical Costume" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book search? > > > http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Daniela_Turudich.html > > Amazon no longer carries it. > > -----Original Message----- > A friend of mine is looking for the following book. Any ideas? She is > in the U.K. so Library searches in the U.K. are preferable, but she > would actually like to buy a copy. > > Plucked, Shaved & Braided: Medieval and Renaissance Beauty and > Grooming Practices 1000-1600 > > Authors: Daniela Turudich, Laurie J. Welch > Format: Paperback, 198 pages > Publication Date: June 2003 > Publisher: Streamline Pr > ISBN-10: 193006408X > ISBN-13: 9781930064089 > > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 21:01:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7111bns023910 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:01:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7111aOc031635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:01:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l710xXlT055130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:59:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l710xUfO029175; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6VNNPEo043575 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:23:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so26643rvf for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:23:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UVlQaOijYEpPXBVEZFhYwJLSKDV8Tm2oxIQBTG5UUw8l5vrLbMPRgEF94Wsr2oJBEvs8kYOzspNjvWw+fyXF/NRnEt/PrzFxFdiIKaQGrde5omkL/HdRUH486E6SbhKOoFeOoik4WTW8hMcGmzdoB0bVcA2BW+ZEiH+dBrZ8atg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F8T/hOHQoq2bPl20zEI8SBWtW6+I7h0GxGRg/bE5VDYXDAreSfu+JaW5Da2lOakhV36nNHk1VGpB4nCTSpY64bCqMlaRh5CwjK4FSBqrN8MAflLFA3LgQ66RfDAxCLmZR0fUdqt6lQdxCK3vv+/FkJsGC0b2gaMXc4SLgSyBf0I= Received: by 10.141.197.18 with SMTP id z18mr32722rvp.1185924205306; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.42.1 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0707311623i57eb98b6rce712eee82bea494@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:23:25 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Updates to my Site In-Reply-To: <8026514.1185909129565.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8026514.1185909129565.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28663792-fda9-42fa-bd29-ce54bb6e10fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46AFDB70.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > I know a lady that is looking for the painting of a german frau who is wearing triangular shaped pieced bits that make up the different bands on her sleeves? I am not well versed in German Ren, but I am guessing 1525-50. Her dress is dark, IIRC with these distictive red and yellow parts (kinda pennet shaped) sewn together to make the bands on the sleeves and perhaps some on the plasteron. (but I can not trust my memory). Do you have that piccie? Is there one of her whole dress? > This Honorable Lady would like to recreate the dress and wonders if the piece work on banded on the skirt too. I do actually have that image in my files:) And I can probably find it again today. It's an unknown girl by Lucas Cranach and she is in a really dark maroony-wine colour dress. On one sleeve she has some pearl embroidery outlined in fine gold thread. She's on my "I would really like to make that one day list, but I have other things first" list;) I don't think it is full length, but I see no reason to not do the hem the same way. It would look equally fine without it as well. > Thanks for your time and effort and your site ROCKS! Thank you:) It's going to undergo a cosmetic change as well, probably incorporating my style sheets from my personal costume section but altered to suit the nature of the topics. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 22:10:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l712AgDo025964 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:10:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l712Afmf030798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:10:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7128DiT065200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7128AgY080551; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71287C6080487 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so64688wxd for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=e8sQiB+4yk5kDHmW+PshN3tv76OCDF6DaTeyaq8RRfZ2Sn6a2pHKUq1nEeaI0nIEEamS9OAbL9zIK944gxZ+88abhLIZ9VpWIzsgZ3jYO2DtsErc1Ss63DbvDjnSfDSI5sGlG5CjfTElcFFykotsVVpw8yqmFcy75pB+7RrQXio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dK8IZ3CP0olJZeI7vPvn6CVxBxlB7V7Pqrw6OkAUsdP1D9b7mWC6iDIzCUr3PTwcqsOhxCT2WXVA8hJshYHlr2nMPw/G+gB+jldoW76e+7RQ3poxy+A8sMSvOCRhlJD5DX6I/oct2wG+Q/tc13KmxV7tGwRWa/4VId9v4u+7/5k= Received: by 10.70.68.9 with SMTP id q9mr399102wxa.1185934086550; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190707311908q51b530fer9509ba5df601f6ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:08:06 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book search? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 934a93c3-b3b5-4192-9678-7c056ffa9e2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46AFEBA1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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On 7/31/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:33:57 -0500 > From: "otsisto" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book search? > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Daniela_Turudich.html > > Amazon no longer carries it. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 22:10:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l712Ak4L025968 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:10:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l712Aghc002889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:10:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7128D2r065199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71289hx080535; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71286mB080480 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so53896wxc for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=e8sQiB+4yk5kDHmW+PshN3tv76OCDF6DaTeyaq8RRfZ2Sn6a2pHKUq1nEeaI0nIEEamS9OAbL9zIK944gxZ+88abhLIZ9VpWIzsgZ3jYO2DtsErc1Ss63DbvDjnSfDSI5sGlG5CjfTElcFFykotsVVpw8yqmFcy75pB+7RrQXio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dK8IZ3CP0olJZeI7vPvn6CVxBxlB7V7Pqrw6OkAUsdP1D9b7mWC6iDIzCUr3PTwcqsOhxCT2WXVA8hJshYHlr2nMPw/G+gB+jldoW76e+7RQ3poxy+A8sMSvOCRhlJD5DX6I/oct2wG+Q/tc13KmxV7tGwRWa/4VId9v4u+7/5k= Received: by 10.70.68.9 with SMTP id q9mr399102wxa.1185934086550; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190707311908q51b530fer9509ba5df601f6ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:08:06 -0400 From: "A. 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On 7/31/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:33:57 -0500 > From: "otsisto" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book search? > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Daniela_Turudich.html > > Amazon no longer carries it. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 22:34:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l712YIIO026775 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:34:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l712YHnh011480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:34:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l712WIiw069258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l712WG1c000971; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l712WDR2000836 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 29731 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 02:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 23:00:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7130f8Y027679 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:00:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7130eaZ008526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:00:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l712tLq3072951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l712tKBA017559; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l712tHwb017471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IG4Mh-00004S-SG; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:55:11 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:55:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20070731225511.grj70c9k7y80088o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:55:11 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved & Braided References: <200707311800.l6VI05ku071564@net.indra.com> <46AFF094.7050603@pierocarey.info> In-Reply-To: <46AFF094.7050603@pierocarey.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f66b12e-1726-43e2-a03b-de32fd3900e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46AFF758.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Has this actually been printed? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 23:27:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713RZKY028369 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:27:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l713RYkF025829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l713Pg4H077630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:25:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713Pd7Q040225; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l713PaWx040110 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81635 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2007 03:25:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wLPIVB3Saj7n31xVknk3ixn3Mr7HBUNRxj72Nhcmw0SDzhS0UHTdKVpp9Z4loM8Aj+jjDeohohqTEK9cgCy87/Srmmb12/WGSZxhtcqcJgtvYvFJMtwSE47ckhMZTh0nc5YLIxRP1obxzqKgoMq8FqBrHKFS15pIAyDomniArV8=; X-YMail-OSG: Dr93h08VM1mtzLWkHoaoY2TlDxq84EzcX7MmyzCWnMy9WJaB.N1cXoQIv5k069HA0aMBt.yA0rhibzmcWH6QD.sjibAjEA33H821y4m3wCzcL1XBJF8UoTTTFoxbKA-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:25:31 PDT Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <435242.80632.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcf8f857-365a-4b89-bfa1-2bb87be3f039 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46AFFDA6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 23:37:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713bTOV028629 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:37:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l713bS0K018226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:37:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l713ZegV079580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713ZdQS048216; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [216.148.227.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713Zarj048129 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with ESMTP id <20070801033531m1500a1iune>; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 03:35:31 +0000 Message-ID: <46AFFFDB.3060306@bovil.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:36:59 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College References: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3e93b58-e0e6-4a53-8a25-d6569fb0db98 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46AFFFF8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO MaggiRos wrote: > Speaking of Costyume College this coming weekend, who > all on H-Cosatume is going, besides you and me and > LynnD, I wonder? > Kevin and I will be there, hosting the hospitality suite on Sunday evening for all of you who are still there but don't care about the CGW Annual Meeting... andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 23:39:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713d0q0028690 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:39:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l713d0cn020062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l713b9bH079774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713b82p049248; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.dns2go.com (mail.dns2go.com [63.149.6.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713b3RC049122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:37:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathleen.hanrahan@homenode.us) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([67.44.164.254]) by mail.dns2go.com (VisNetic.MailServer.v8.9.2.0) with ASMTP id GLL36857; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:36:57 -0400 Message-ID: <46B00001.9000409@homenode.us> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:37:37 -0400 From: Kathleen Hanrahan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College References: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9a1daf3-9064-4c69-8f37-e2ea4446b837 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B00054.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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And you wonder why I lurk! ;-) Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 23:45:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713jjTZ028950 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:45:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l713jiDq009012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:45:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l713gaw7080364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713gZgY053147; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:42:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713gW1Q053060 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with ESMTP id <20070801034226m1500a2k4ne>; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 03:42:27 +0000 Message-ID: <46B00180.1090102@bovil.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:44:00 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College References: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46AFFFDB.3060306@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <46AFFFDB.3060306@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83666f9a-de0a-4c49-b8a7-d51d03df957e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46B001E8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Andrew Trembley wrote: > MaggiRos wrote: >> Speaking of Costyume College this coming weekend, who >> all on H-Cosatume is going, besides you and me and >> LynnD, I wonder? >> > > Kevin and I will be there, hosting the hospitality suite on Sunday > evening for all of you who are still there but don't care about the > CGW Annual Meeting... Oh, and look for us throughout the rest of the weekend in our lab coats. Shouldn't be hard to miss. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 31 23:46:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713kt0E028995 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:46:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l713ksP2026298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l713jEie080776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713jDAr055065; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l713h9Hu053538 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aviendiora@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so73796rvf for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:43:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D8suvWHHsEw1CtNUlmGlWurfIbHyglO81EOONwiV6Zat/usAT3f3wzgkNuFtm3ZSGwsmfHJg2Jioari05TQ9htQ6G3FJSkOrXYy8OoYYRXZHRXNgtKe6zzgff6yj3bbROpjK1sAmLVgaW8AQeUXe78+aLDmuMNICVStASZ1eQng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ukyr+lQgI5GHR3hf/2hywGDBlw33cYeKXpoHi3vyOR71oB69GJOynaEt9d5MXm2A8JKd0OAYR4cGUI45al9utrnge0DT/MVb9EC8j1moznjSVqrwO0kFoLunTbbyupixl7yTR+G6PfQbCUFBG5AWnK+gOOhbGFnm8M1ukkBZXPc= Received: by 10.115.17.1 with SMTP id u1mr261264wai.1185939783931; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.178.14 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:43:03 -0700 From: Avien To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College In-Reply-To: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <209260.38472.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9612d194-9b78-4836-bca3-b11889a852ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B0022E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'll be coming, first time to Costume College! On 7/31/07, MaggiRos wrote: > > Speaking of Costyume College this coming weekend, who > all on H-Cosatume is going, besides you and me and > LynnD, I wonder? > > MaggiRos > > --- FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > > > > Lynn, If you are going to be at costume college this > > weekend, get hold of > > Heather or Laura from Truly Victorian and tell them > > of your dilemma. If anyone > > could help you with yardages, style suggestions, > > adaptations etc. it is > > these wonderfully, creative women. Then you will > > have your information for > > shopping on Monday (I'm going too!) and won't > > proceed on guess work. > > > > I'm sure your daughter will feel like a princess in > > her gown! > > > > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. > Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume