From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 1 11:53:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71Fr7OQ024266 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:53:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l71Fr5I5015256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:53:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l71Fp7oi035086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71FoxVv094823; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71Fou3s094653 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:50:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.17]) by bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:50:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:50:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200707311800.l6VI05ku071564@net.indra.com><46AFF094.7050603@pierocarey.info> <20070731225511.grj70c9k7y80088o@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved & Braided Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:47:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:47:07 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2007 15:50:50.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC3BD3C0:01C7D453] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8acbc6d8-804e-4005-a40c-256658dfdbe4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B0AC61.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kent State doesn't even have it yet! > Apologies if I missed an earlier post -- I've had my head in a =20 dissertation (I took it to the printers today! ...) Has this actually been printed? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology = http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 1 15:09:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71J9MuM000406 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:09:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l71J9L2U001005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l71J7Umq099025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71J7P8W040508; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:07:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l71Ipjxk021526 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:51:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26642 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2007 18:51:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6lCM6VFYYHCvkmPetWS6NmiV/Scm+fZPjt+7DSIVcm5RD8zi3FQk4pt54DolJrPkyvYWuspUvQXZdRnn1wERWqW4xBN+ELqpw4Lfb9maOrnWxIQVNiUwId/rOAhL6s4zS7tL7OOgrG067eJfUu9KQg42l2nXPavf3yeJa51WCuA=; X-YMail-OSG: DJ547rMVM1lsqjmgn0JcSaqXM3eWOSuWOYaEmutDfyBGUFH32preYuXiYc7IALg0Ew-- Received: from [139.177.224.71] by web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:51:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <336608.25596.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5dc83e2-4599-46c6-93dc-805b44e527fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B0DA61.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm so jealous! I've been to Costume College about 5 times, but haven't be= en able to go the last 2 years... sigh... hopefully next year... Kathy=0A= =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Andrew Trembley =0ATo: Historical Costume =0ASent: Tuesday, July 31= , 2007 8:44:00 PM=0ASubject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College=0A=0A=0AAndrew Tr= embley wrote:=0A> MaggiRos wrote:=0A>> Speaking of Costyume College this co= ming weekend, who=0A>> all on H-Cosatume is going, besides you and me and= =0A>> LynnD, I wonder?=0A>> =0A>=0A> Kevin and I will be there, hosting t= he hospitality suite on Sunday =0A> evening for all of you who are still th= ere but don't care about the =0A> CGW Annual Meeting...=0A=0AOh, and look f= or us throughout the rest of the weekend in our lab coats. =0AShouldn't be = hard to miss.=0A=0Aandy=0A=0A______________________________________________= _=0Ah-costume mailing list=0Ah-costume@mail.indra.com=0Ahttp://mail.indra.c= om/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=0A=0A=0A =0A___________________________= _________________________________________________________=0AGot a little co= uch potato? =0ACheck out fun summer activities for kids.=0Ahttp://search.ya= hoo.com/search?fr=3Doni_on_mail&p=3Dsummer+activities+for+kids&cs=3Dbz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 1 16:04:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71K4mYh002530 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:04:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l71K4lZG023059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:04:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l71K2jd3015576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l71K2foj007374; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:02:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l71K2ZaG007163 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7279 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2007 20:02:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=huF7AKysMP9sSlg29pin3XxE3wt+DsrJWA8PxCXuqiO6n4T2ZofHZakf4hlDF7SdVxclJAI+r9BGLtm5XKhUYVuybiJvxui0v9kZ/g2Zx5/pp1CXCnmm4nNlH7eS1ReiTwIyucFGtGG3Bin38sD9GG5aztJ5z/kwPYUu0QHMLUI=; X-YMail-OSG: 51FUsd4VM1l5KZneVOfePQE75dztSrLZkw26L.RYo5ao7nJfoUQkWtb2DCQqHkQ0wSH4jN1OKS0lLBqIAiF_yi7fDrEWnbxX9AkFO6dJldILEnpaDehQpUF5a3hMPg-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:02:30 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <336608.25596.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <437029.7271.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8675fdf1-bf9d-4326-9eee-9802611997b3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B0E75F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is only my second year, even though I have lived about 9 miles from the site the entire time it's been around! Shameful, I know. For those unfamiliar with this event: http://www.costumecollege.org/ccwhatis.asp Still sewing, MaggiRos --- Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > I'm so jealous! I've been to Costume College about > 5 times, but haven't been able to go the last 2 > years... sigh... hopefully next year... Kathy > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Andrew Trembley > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:44:00 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College > > > Andrew Trembley wrote: > > MaggiRos wrote: > >> Speaking of Costyume College this coming weekend, > who > >> all on H-Cosatume is going, besides you and me > and > >> LynnD, I wonder? > >> > > > > Kevin and I will be there, hosting the hospitality > suite on Sunday > > evening for all of you who are still there but > don't care about the > > CGW Annual Meeting... > > Oh, and look for us throughout the rest of the > weekend in our lab coats. > Shouldn't be hard to miss. > > andy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 08:36:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Ca0BB013256 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:36:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72CZxMg011673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:36:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72CXRrl023014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72CXMDK007360; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:33:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l72C9Lkg087167 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:09:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 24898 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 12:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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From the messages in the digests since I wrote that, it doesn't look good! Drat it, I was going to recommend purchase to my Scadian buddy in selection. She was saying to me just last night that we had very little on the history of hairdressing! Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 09:11:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72DBTVM014510 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:11:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72DBS7G000595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:11:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72D9XSh029842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72D9Whh040566; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72D9StU040444 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 11758262-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.52.105 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAJh0sUZPSDRp/2dsb2JhbACBUQ Received: from 79-72-52-105.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.52.105]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2007 14:09:01 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070802140627.04831078@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:09:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved & Braided In-Reply-To: <46B1C951.6050408@pierocarey.info> References: <200708011809.l71I45Uj064399@net.indra.com> <46B1C951.6050408@pierocarey.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 506bd28f-21f9-4fc7-86d4-f2d5ae73f129 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B1D800.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 13:08 02/08/2007, you wrote: >Susan asked if this has actually been printed. >I can't tell. Given that Worldcat can show books ordered but not >yet processed into a library's collection, a book ordered before the >presses roll could show up in a catalog After publication has been cancelled. >Very annoying, but possible. Removing unreceived books from the >data stream has a Much lower priority than taking care of the new >stuff, especially when you're still hoping that the item will get >scheduled & finally arrive. Most Tech Services depts. that I'm >familiar with run such procedures once or twice a year, rather than >monthly. So, the lag can be quite long. That's why I recommended >calling the library involved. From the messages in the digests >since I wrote that, it doesn't look good! Drat it, I was going to >recommend purchase to my Scadian buddy in selection. grumble> She was saying to me just last night that we had very >little on the history of hairdressing! > I know it has been mentioned before, but "The Artifice of Beauty" by Sally Pointer is actually very handy. http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/665654/-/Product.html?source=7995&engine=yahoo&keyword=the+artifice+of+beauty I am sure there are American sites with this information. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 09:48:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72DmJmQ015932 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:48:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72DmImX030380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:48:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72DkEGL035514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:46:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72DkBTP073795; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Dk7bp073681 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter98.comcast.net ([204.127.197.198]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070802134602m140023itfe>; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:46:02 +0000 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter98.comcast.net; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:46:02 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:46:02 +0000 Message-Id: <080220071346.27818.46B1E019000CBE6A00006CAA22135753339D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Textiles in America X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35f2aff3-1279-4894-8967-dbd8b0863230 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B1E0A2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, all, Probably like many of you, I ordered a copy of the reprint of Montgomery's _Textiles In America_ months ago. One of the copies I ordered from Amazon, which has kept me updated on delays, and last week asked me to approve a further delay until October in delivery. Today I got the notice that my copy has been shipped and will either be here next week, or in October. Has anyone else got word this book is now available? Thanks! Lauren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 10:08:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72E8lBU016630 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:08:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72E8kNV008872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:08:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72E6xCa039560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72E6vD3097076; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:06:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72E6rDh097010 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1383939300 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:06:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00ca01c7d50e$67dd4000$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:07:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT? Need a graph or chart X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1cfe933-ffbb-4414-837b-610894ea72d3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B1E56F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Do any of you know of a website with free graphs/charts for needlework? = I've done some searches, but haven't found what I'm looking for yet I am looking for a graph or chart of a small Chinese-themed motif. I'm = going to use it for needlepoint. The area is taller than wide (about = 3:1) so I was thinking crane (or possibly panda). Any type of animal or = flower that would go nicely with bamboo, which frames the area currently = occupied by a silhouette of a Junk. Thanks! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 10:59:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Exm8l019323 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:59:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72ExlYq013782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:59:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72EvxSR048405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Evt8c052191; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72EvoS0052034 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id HAA09442 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:57:45 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070802075633.0289e6f0@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:57:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 522bcde9-5e84-4070-ba9d-ae886aa49ebc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46B1F163.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Yea me me :-D Beverly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 16:35:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72KZ9YF032414 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:35:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72KZ7lR021969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:35:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72KX2PJ073002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72KWu2n034101; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72KWpjC033958 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF552FD301B0; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:32:21 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com><003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <8FEE0D64-E991-4182-AB70-2084715DC348@bovil.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:32:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7d544$48adca70$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfS/R7h2UgKdxf6TAyG66qzQSueBgCRwX3A In-Reply-To: <8FEE0D64-E991-4182-AB70-2084715DC348@bovil.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26b7438d-f5ed-41c6-a414-dfb45cfe4e7b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B23FFB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Can you get more specific about where to find this article? I get to the site, but when I put in "microphotography", it has nothing.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell On Jul 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I just bought a new machine and the salesman said Gutermann thread is=20 > horrible and recommended against using it in my new machine. He=20 > recommended some thread (I don't remember the name, started with a=20 > "M"). Of course, I have 50 colors of Gutermann. It's probably Mettler Metrosene polyester thread, or perhaps M=F6lnlycke polyester thread. This is the first time, though, that I've heard bad = things about G=FCtermann thread. There's a fun page at of microphotography of different threads. Metrosene, M=F6lnlycke and G=FCtermann all look really good in the microphotography = test. andy_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 16:45:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Kj3bO032751 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:45:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72Kj0Fd023082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:45:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72KhGc6074514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72KhFeu044426; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72KhAN5044262 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id NAA08864 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:43:05 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070802134101.028ccf10@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:42:59 -0700 To: "Historical Costume" From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5cfc7009-337b-4fd0-8426-e6a2a9fabf42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B2424C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Do any of you know of a website with free graphs/charts for needlework? I've done some searches, but haven't found what I'm looking for yet I am looking for a graph or chart of a small Chinese-themed motif. I'm going to use it for needlepoint. The area is taller than wide (about 3:1) so I was thinking crane (or possibly panda). Any type of animal or flower that would go nicely with bamboo, which frames the area currently occupied by a silhouette of a Junk. Thanks! Denise B You know Dover has so many Chinese designs. They often feature them in their free samples. If you don't find what you want maybe you could somehow make your own using one of their designs. Probably displaying my ignorance but it's an idea. 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(gold@121.73.25.58) by tombstone.paradise.gen.nz with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 21:19:05 -0000 Message-ID: <46B24A19.3060802@where.else.net.nz> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:18:17 +1200 From: Melissa Brown Muckart User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fbf61ac-6a45-48f6-b3b3-673d914321ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46B24AC3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello everyone, I am embarking on some Tudor costume. I am searching for a citation for the portrait on this page: http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0296/0296_.htm I've looked around the website and cannot find any contact information for the website itself nor anywhere on the site that gives credit to the artists for the portraits therein. I've googled until my eyes bled, but was unable to find the first portrait anywhere else, which leads me to think it may be a more modern piece (a learned friend suggested perhaps Victorian). The dress in the above seems to be based on this portrait of Mary when she was married to Charles Brandon, (anon. 1516) here: http://tudorhistory.org/groups/brandons.jpg As I would like to recreate the dress as accurately as possible, I am trying to find out if the portrait in the top link is of the period or a more modern extrapolation. While it is definitely a long shot, I'm hoping one of you have seen the first portrait and can tell me the artist and date of creation. As the 2nd portrait was done in 1516, would the bottom half of the dress (as seen in the first portrait) be appropriate for the time). I'm oh so new to Tudor costuming and have a sneaking suspicion that the open fronted skirt comes into fashion a bit later... but I'm a complete newbie to this so that's based on nothing but having looked at a few dozen photos. Any and all assistance is appreciated. If you haven't seen the first portrait but would like to brainstorm about possibilities for the bottom half, I'd love to hear your suggestions! Thank you. Best, Melissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 17:51:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Lp2Po002488 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:51:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72Lp26S028654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72LnIkD085962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72LnCxv014479; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72LAZmm073803 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id OAA16503 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:10:29 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070802140723.028a2418@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:10:29 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Costume College X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 285fa7b4-2ec0-4398-8053-ffb6d472d6eb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B251C6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear List I did not get into any of the limited classes at CC. There are three or four general classes that I am really interested in though. Since this will be my first time attending I was wondering if there is a room set aside where one can set up a machine and sew and then maybe get some help from the experts who might be passing by or help each other out with fitting , that sort of thing. If not I am prepared to do some sewing in my room blissfully uninterrupted by phone, family or housework. Are there ever any chances of places opening up in the limited classes? Thanks Bev. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 17:52:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Lq0L0002516 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:52:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72Lpxkv020458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:52:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72Lnvj5086083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72LnuK9015304; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72LV8BA094964 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.120]) by bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:31:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:31:02 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:30:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.217.171.124] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000001c7d544$48adca70$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:30:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2007 21:31:02.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CAD8390:01C7D54C] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 497f8aee-e4c4-4fed-8312-dac3838a9933 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46B251FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is the link on my favorites, hope it's the same: http://sewing.about.com/library/weekly/aa102100a.htm >From: "Sharon Collier" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "'Historical Costume'" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:32:45 -0700 > >Can you get more specific about where to find this article? I get to the >site, but when I put in "microphotography", it has nothing. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley >Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:57 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell > >On Jul 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > > I just bought a new machine and the salesman said Gutermann thread is > > horrible and recommended against using it in my new machine. He > > recommended some thread (I don't remember the name, started with a > > "M"). Of course, I have 50 colors of Gutermann. > >It's probably Mettler Metrosene polyester thread, or perhaps Mölnlycke >polyester thread. This is the first time, though, that I've heard bad >things >about Gütermann thread. > >There's a fun page at aa102100a.htm> of microphotography of different threads. Metrosene, >Mölnlycke and Gütermann all look really good in the microphotography test. > >andy_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 18:26:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72MQqIk003613 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:26:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72MQp5t019554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:26:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72MP9ZV091907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72MP6tH050695; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l72MP0mU050508 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84838 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2007 22:24:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xMEkCFeCwgJmpQDeaPH1baA3xgdx3e3SkMG3xuUVtQWIFv2uu4r9Y4h+S1Q52Il/ygBQVAt2trHqMo9QgD/MLdLWfI9ag1nDkTjWjXPUEzh0xbBbdNRQb58XszztHXTIPJ2GLovc9t2KzCwE5REo3kEje7Fn+iw2wK13cJbPRn8=; X-YMail-OSG: IQyVeBQVM1nyuQJeQPcpBZVzJ4r0YcFkxbzIkDsye10sz6.DMdEsdGuxE8C0qNTYpEqi4hMMN6igsIZCXp_7H58xwA-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:24:55 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070802140723.028a2418@uci.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <529980.83995.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6af7f800-8b4b-4ff5-820f-9f878ade1f79 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46B25A2B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO According to all the details all over the registration materials and web site, no waiting list is kept for the limited classes. (I don't know why, but I *think* that may be changing next year.) Happily there's plenty of other classes to keep you busy! I seem to have read in the latest issue of Squeals that there's going to be something called The Panic Room where you can set up your machine in like-minded company and decent light. Volunteers are supposed to be around to give advice or commiserate, as required. This should all be in the sign-in packet. I'll be checking in on Friday sometime. Can't wait! Maggie --- Beverly Azizi wrote: > Dear List > > I did not get into any of the limited classes at CC. > There are three > or four general classes that I am really interested > in though. Since > this will be my first time attending I was wondering > if there is a > room set aside where one can set up a machine and > sew and then maybe > get some help from the experts who might be passing > by or help each > other out with fitting , that sort of thing. If not > I am prepared to > do some sewing in my room blissfully uninterrupted > by phone, family > or housework. Are there ever any chances of places > opening up in the > limited classes? > > Thanks > > Bev. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 18:40:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Me8c9004023 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:40:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72Me7Ou014801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72Mc9A0093908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:38:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Mc8vT062396; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Mc3lq062333 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l72Mc2UT012507 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JM6009SV47ERD@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.107] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:38:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:38:02 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Heat n Bond Hell In-reply-to: <000001c7d544$48adca70$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <9234af727a2.7a29234af72@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <8FEE0D64-E991-4182-AB70-2084715DC348@bovil.com> <000001c7d544$48adca70$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7bd6dd4-d33f-47e3-bdd0-bd625ad00e3c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46B25D47.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http=3A//sewing=2Eabout=2Ecom/library/weekly/aa102100a=2Ehtm and page down to the bottom of the article=2E That=27s where the links to= the microphotographs are=2E kate ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Sharon Collier =3Csharon=40collierfam=2Ecom=3E Date=3A Thursday=2C August 2=2C 2007 4=3A36 pm Subject=3A RE=3A =5Bh-cost=5D Heat n Bond Hell To=3A =27Historical Costume=27 =3Ch-costume=40indra=2Ecom=3E =3E Can you get more specific about where to find this article=3F I get = =3E to the =3E site=2C but when I put in =22microphotography=22=2C it has nothing=2E= = =3E = =3E -----Original Message----- =3E From=3A h-costume-bounces=40indra=2Ecom =5Bmailto=3Ah-costume- =3E bounces=40indra=2Ecom=5D On =3E Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley =3E Sent=3A Monday=2C July 30=2C 2007 3=3A57 PM =3E To=3A Historical Costume =3E Subject=3A Re=3A =5Bh-cost=5D Heat n Bond Hell =3E = =3E On Jul 30=2C 2007=2C at 1=3A12 PM=2C Sharon Collier wrote=3A =3E =3E I just bought a new machine and the salesman said Gutermann = =3E thread is = =3E =3E horrible and recommended against using it in my new machine=2E He= = =3E =3E recommended some thread (I don=27t remember the name=2C started w= ith = =3E a = =3E =3E =22M=22)=2E Of course=2C I have 50 colors of Gutermann=2E =3E = =3E It=27s probably Mettler Metrosene polyester thread=2C or perhaps M=F6= lnlycke =3E polyester thread=2E This is the first time=2C though=2C that I=27ve h= eard = =3E bad things =3E about G=FCtermann thread=2E =3E = =3E There=27s a fun page at =3Chttp=3A//sewing=2Eabout=2Ecom/library/week= ly/ =3E aa102100a=2Ehtm=3E of microphotography of different threads=2E Metros= ene=2C =3E M=F6lnlycke and G=FCtermann all look really good in the = =3E microphotography test=2E =3E = =3E andy=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =3E h-costume mailing list =3E h-costume=40mail=2Eindra=2Ecom =3E http=3A//mail=2Eindra=2Ecom/mailman/listinfo/h-costume =3E = =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E h-costume mailing list =3E h-costume=40mail=2Eindra=2Ecom =3E http=3A//mail=2Eindra=2Ecom/mailman/listinfo/h-costume =3E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 18:40:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72Men0k004049 for ; 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Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:38:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <000201c7d3a7$bf7fc750$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <891501.45974.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com><003301c7d2e5$e47a6a00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <006a01c7d2ea$4050b600$bb00a8c0@anteckim> <000201c7d3a7$bf7fc750$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <375DDD2E-E205-485D-A2BB-4A3C251B585B@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread, fusible webs Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:40:31 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a1dbc14-7f1c-4922-b9d8-6f0f85e72ee9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B25D70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'll chime in in favor of G=FCtermann. I've found it completely =20 dependable and easy to work with, not to mention beautiful. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jul 31, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > The guy did mention it came from Mexico, so maybe he is behind the =20 > times (or > just wanted to sell me a lot of expensive thread). I didn't buy any =20= > though, > because my sewing box is full of Gutermann. I personally have never =20= > had any > trouble with it. I did have trouble with Dual Duty breaking, which =20 > is why I > switched to Gutermann in the first place. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-=20 > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Kim Baird > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:43 PM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: [h-cost] Thread, fusible webs > > > I've been reading the posts about stitching through Heat and Bond, =20 > and what > sewing machine salesmen have to say about threads. > > There are MANY brands of fusible web on the market. Personally, I =20 > never use > Heat n Bond, even if I get some free. Nasty stuff. If you must use =20 > it for > sewing through, get the LIGHT version. The regular stuff is not =20 > meant to be > sewn. Check out other brands at your local fabric or quilt shop. > > Another alternative is a temporary spray adhesive. I recommend =20 > Sulky KK2000. > > Guterman is quality thread, and should not give you any trouble, =20 > UNLESS you > happen to have some of the spools that were made in Mexico. (The =20 > label will > say Mexico). They tried this for a while, and quickly dropped it--=20 > the thread > was very poor quality. That was several years ago. > > Mettler makes polyester all-purpose thread (Metrosene) and cotton =20 > thread in > several weights. I like Mettler silk-finish cotton for both hand =20 > and machine > sewing. It has a smooth, shiny finish, but is completely cotton. =20 > They also > make a cotton embroidery thread, which is finer. It isn't strong =20 > enough for > constructing seams. Mettler makes polyester threads on large cones =20 > designed > for sergers also. They sell a line of cotton thread designated for =20 > hand > quilting, but I prefer to use the silk-finish cotton for hand =20 > quilting--it > looks nicer, and flows more smoothly. > > J&P Coats also makes quality thread, I have no qualms about using =20 > it. If > your machine holds the spool horizontally, Coats spools may not =20 > work as well > (mine is vertical). > > One thread that can give you problems in any brand is black. For some > reason, that is harder to manufacture without slubs. If you get a =20 > bad spool > of black, return it for exchange. > > A well made sewing machine, in good working order, should NOT have any > trouble with Guterman thread--machine salesmen sometimes tell you =20 > these > things as an excuse when the machine they want to sell you isn't =20 > sewing > properly. (no flames from salespersons, please--I used to be one =20 > myself. I > know that not all of us are unscrupulous.) > > Kim > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 18:52:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72MqwQj004454 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:52:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72MqvPW001778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:53:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72MpIi4095905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:51:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72MpFut074671; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72MpBHB074525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-2-54.desm.qwest.net [75.162.2.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72Mp4cW013479 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:51:05 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200708021800.l72I0MoO067775@net.indra.com> References: <200708021800.l72I0MoO067775@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:51:04 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3848/Thu Aug 2 14:22:06 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: books on history of cosmetics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 367af19c-eaed-4e34-b32b-d673651146cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46B26049.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO "The Artifice of Beauty" is a great book! Mine was a Christmas gift, but I know that they got it from Amazon. Suzanne > From: Suzi Clarke > Date: August 2, 2007 8:09:19 AM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved & Braided > > > Mary wrote: >> Susan asked if this has actually been printed. >> I can't tell. Given that Worldcat can show books ordered but not >> yet processed into a library's collection, a book ordered before >> the presses roll could show up in a catalog After publication has >> been cancelled. >> Very annoying, but possible. Removing unreceived books from the >> data stream has a Much lower priority than taking care of the new >> stuff, especially when you're still hoping that the item will get >> scheduled & finally arrive. Most Tech Services depts. that I'm >> familiar with run such procedures once or twice a year, rather >> than monthly. So, the lag can be quite long. That's why I >> recommended calling the library involved. From the messages in >> the digests since I wrote that, it doesn't look good! Drat it, I >> was going to recommend purchase to my Scadian buddy in selection. >> She was saying to me just last night that we >> had very little on the history of hairdressing! >> > > > I know it has been mentioned before, but "The Artifice of Beauty" > by Sally Pointer is actually very handy. > > http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/665654/-/Product.html? > source=7995&engine=yahoo&keyword=the+artifice+of+beauty > > I am sure there are American sites with this information. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 19:04:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72N4BCO004841 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:04:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72N4BJM008059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:04:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72N2AfS097513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72N28uc085548; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72N2621085501 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:02:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1406565362 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: <02be01c7d559$2e9e2430$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070802134101.028ccf10@uci.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:02:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] charts X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 537a9341-604b-46d2-a94c-db3385b288f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B262EB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks for all the replies, I found exactly what I needed. Naturally, I had to tweak it a little, but it sure beats coming up with one from scratch! :-) Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 19:10:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72NAoEL005057 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:10:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l72NAnJx011750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:10:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l72N2bYv097554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72N2bDL086081; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l72N2YnG086040 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.96.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.96]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IGjge-0002dc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:02:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <58911B85-465E-4A3F-9009-8D50A3CED2C9@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: [h-cost] Dressing for school Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:04:12 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df872e9c-a2c3-4a9d-a09b-30af4ff78eaf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B26479.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Those of you who subscribe to the Chronicle of Higher Education will =20 perhaps have seen this article in this week's issue: it begins, > OBSERVER > > Dressing Literary History > > By AMY LEAL > > I don't want to see it, but I have to. On August 10, I will =20 > sheepishly pile into an overcrowded theater to see Becoming Jane, =20 > loosely adapted from Jon Spence's biographical study Becoming Jane =20 > Austen, even though I know Anne Hathaway isn't British and Tom =20 > Lefroy did not tussle with Austen in haystacks. That isn't what =20 > will pain me, though; it will most likely be the costumes. > It is time for me to take my closet out of the closet: I am one of =20 > those Janeites you hear about who likes to make historically =20 > accurate clothing. I have suitcases ready for travels to places =20 > that no longer exist. Georgian bodices, Regency chemises, Victorian =20= > "unmentionables," Edwardian walking skirts. I patronize Amazon =20 > Drygoods: Purveyors of Needed Items for the 19th Century Impression =20= > as much as I do Amazon.com. I own more steel boning than the =20 > Marquis de Sade. > > =85I make clothing reproductions because I am fascinated with the =20 > "felt life" (to appropriate a Henry James term) of past eras. =85 It's an interesting and nicely written piece by a literature =20 professor, although h-cost List members might find some of her =20 generalizations irritating for one reason or another, particularly =20 the comments on corsets. Here's the url: http://chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i48/48b00501.htm But access to the full article is restricted to Chronicle subscribers. If you don't subscribe and would like to read the article, please =20 contact me off-list. I'll be planning what to wear to teach my =20 Shakespeare class--and my Dylan Thomas class! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 20:21:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l730LRj2007411 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:21:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l730LQY6021399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:21:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l730JGkl010056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l730JCeG052228; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l730J6F5052053 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1186099968-0a6800000007-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1186099968 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 0469E1DA1C4 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8003C9B35 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:13:09 +0200 Message-ID: <214c01c7d563$3123b210$9c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46B24A19.3060802@where.else.net.nz> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor Subject: Re: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:13:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e769e60-c98c-400b-8832-43129159b6d5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B27506.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Brown Muckart" > As the 2nd portrait was done in 1516, would the bottom half of the dress > (as seen in the first portrait) be appropriate for the time). I'm oh so > new to Tudor costuming and have a sneaking suspicion that the open fronted > skirt comes into fashion a bit later... but I'm a complete newbie to this > so that's based on nothing but having looked at a few dozen photos. The split-front skirt wasn't _common_ until later, but it did appear on very fashionable women (for example, Anne de Bretagne) this early and even earlier. Mary was a famous beauty and a fashion icon, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see her wearing it, especially after time in the court where A de B had worn it so recently. Here's A de B in split skirts just a few years before: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/AdBreceivingHistoryOfBretagne.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1508AdeBbyJeanPerreal.jpg (I have another dozen or so c1500 split skirt images on various people, if anyone is looking to document them.) That said, I look at this painting with deep suspicion. The part that was copied from the Brandon portrait looks like it could concievably have been done in the 16thC, but the trim along the bottom of the skirt looks 243 different kinds of wrong for this time period. At this time, the waist seam was not universal, though it showed up often enough that--given the habit of portrait sitters of putting their arms RIGHT THERE--it's generally a toss-up on any given portrait whether or not the sitter had one. The few images from that decade that actually show the waist clearly show more gowns without visible waist seams, at least in the front; almost all had waist seams across the back. It's possible that some of the smooth-fronted gowns did have hidden waist seams across the front (probably around where the belt falls, i.e. sometimes a dropped waist) but the desired look is clearly that of no waist seam. Here are some typical gowns of the French court, 1513-1517: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1513claudeoffrance.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1517queenclaudecrowned.jpg I keep pointing to the French court, because even though Anne's earlier marriage was short, she went straight from it to the Brandon marriage, and so is likely to have been wearing French fashions for the wedding portrait. The Brandon marriage portrait dress is slightly deceptive in terms of figuring out exactly what she's wearing. First, because of the large amount of pearls--which may or may not have been on the actual dress, but were probably either added or exaggerated by the painter--and second because the undersleeves are the same color as the oversleeves. The actual dress was probably much like this: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1500-25lieges.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/manuscripts.jpg (Simon Bening, c1515) http://www.formfunction.org/temp/c1518portraitofawoman_circleofandreadelsarto.jpg (Looks Victorian, but was actually done by a visiting Italian, hence the different style--and yep, that looks like a split skirt to me too.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 21:45:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l731jivp010069 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:45:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l731jhKD011213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:45:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l731ht05023689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:43:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l731hqCH022252; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l731hm94022141 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:43:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cb1.1738b8b9 (42809) for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:43:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:43:37 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing for school To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9af548a6-b446-4b75-b321-ae9dc6e2a903 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46B288C7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 8/2/2007 7:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: Those of you who subscribe to the Chronicle of Higher Education will perhaps have seen this article in this week's issue: it begins, > OBSERVER > > Dressing Literary History I don't know the whole story, but I understand it is supposed to be Jane Austen in 1795. The promo photo I saw, with her in a high-waisted satin evening gown and hair piled on her head, DOES NOT look 1795 to me--a good 10 years later, at the least, and more like 15. But I'll go see the movie, like everyone else. Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 2 22:33:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l732X60f011587 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:33:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l732X5iZ019379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:33:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l732VPMM031297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l732VOD5064689; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l732VLBw064654 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so578743fkq for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:31:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=k0HQpFCd9DrjT84Ac2B09TPxggrTqr2Vh6HZAgfGMKIvf8XrxqcycYJcJtMATOHM8V+emcYr+fvDv0LINvPt8p/fUQBB3a1DfFeAkKdooRw3LiO3o+HWoAmFjamLST7Ovbp9MK8tRTyGx7EPXUsAZpz13TjmsE8ThPS53gqccsQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=BHDfMbWwJHvJ9DS9yATRv9S5cyIcnAerwZ5QAWN0/J7Dq0oS+AG3T63PyW9tGKVx3QD4x8ukiimDSvPcPcyh2OOHCtfDIu3M3e2pu5yeCBr1b/eVdtFmqf7cNQ3CmOjAKjMv4wyerpCFr9nGP+F81LgW5I95rPJOWxP3wOG2YHQ= Received: by 10.82.189.6 with SMTP id m6mr3239966buf.1186108280636; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.155.13 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:31:20 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b639134-a736-4370-8ac9-baa051d3f4bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46B293E1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Melissa, Brandon and Mary were married in February of 1515; most of the sources I have date the original portrait (showing them both from the waist up) to "shortly after their marriage", so your extrapolated portrait (love the beading and pearls at the hem!) is a mid-fifteen-teens gown. That may well be the best you can do--unless someone can find where the original portrait of Mary and Brandon is kept, and whether that museum or gallery has a full provenance for it? Good luck--and I wanna see pictures when you get your gown done! :-) Cheers, Meli/Sharon On 8/2/07, Melissa wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > I am embarking on some Tudor costume. I am searching for a citation for > the portrait on this page: > > http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0296/0296_.htm > > I've looked around the website and cannot find any contact information > for the website itself nor anywhere on the site that gives credit to the > artists for the portraits therein. I've googled until my eyes bled, but > was unable to find the first portrait anywhere else, which leads me to > think it may be a more modern piece (a learned friend suggested perhaps > Victorian). > > The dress in the above seems to be based on this portrait of Mary when > she was married to Charles Brandon, (anon. 1516) here: > > http://tudorhistory.org/groups/brandons.jpg > > As I would like to recreate the dress as accurately as possible, I am > trying to find out if the portrait in the top link is of the period or a > more modern extrapolation. > > While it is definitely a long shot, I'm hoping one of you have seen the > first portrait and can tell me the artist and date of creation. > > As the 2nd portrait was done in 1516, would the bottom half of the dress > (as seen in the first portrait) be appropriate for the time). I'm oh so > new to Tudor costuming and have a sneaking suspicion that the open > fronted skirt comes into fashion a bit later... but I'm a complete > newbie to this so that's based on nothing but having looked at a few > dozen photos. > > Any and all assistance is appreciated. If you haven't seen the first > portrait but would like to brainstorm about possibilities for the bottom > half, I'd love to hear your suggestions! > > Thank you. > > Best, > > Melissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 3 00:54:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l734smId016374 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:54:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l734slGl027085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l734qKDl052396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l734qG23074946; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:52:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l734qBmd074889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-58-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.58]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l734q9eZ014477 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:52:10 +1000 Message-ID: <002501c7d58a$0ca21360$3addf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46B24A19.3060802@where.else.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:52:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1c71538-8fc1-4255-9ef8-16a9934781ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B2B517.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Brown Muckart" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor > Hello everyone, > > I am embarking on some Tudor costume. I am searching for a citation for > the portrait on this page: > > http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0296/0296_.htm > > I've looked around the website and cannot find any contact information for > the website itself nor anywhere on the site that gives credit to the > artists for the portraits therein. I've googled until my eyes bled, but > was unable to find the first portrait anywhere else, which leads me to > think it may be a more modern piece (a learned friend suggested perhaps > Victorian). > I think this is probably Victorian looking at most of the other pictures listed nearby in this list of images http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/index.htm and the fact that images like this http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0279/0279_.htm image of Anne Boleyn (which the website clearly says "The painting on which this portrait is based is now known to show another Anne, a Queen of Hungary." other portraits e.g. Elizabeth of York, Catherine of Aragon and Catherine Howard also directly mention the original portraits they are based on) is painted on the same background I believe they are of the same date and therefore the image you're looking at is a 19th century (or later) copy, not a period image. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 3 04:13:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l738D7qB020198 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:13:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l738D7uN028237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:13:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l738AdLG092972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l738AZXd036276; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:10:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l738AVUG036212 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:10:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.42488226; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:10:09 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l738A8w07486.; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:10:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:10:07 +0100 Message-Id: <46B2F0DF02000014000D6EE7@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:09:51 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200708030019.l730JI8f052366@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200708030019.l730JI8f052366@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost]Help dating aortrait of Mary Tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f80ab3c3-ae38-4c9e-8943-faed709cd672 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46B2E393.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Melissa Brown Muckart wrote: >I am embarking on some Tudor costume. I am searching for a citation for >the portrait on this page: >http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0296/0296_.htm >I've looked around the website and cannot find any contact information >for the website itself nor anywhere on the site that gives credit to the >artists for the portraits therein. I've googled until my eyes bled, but >was unable to find the first portrait anywhere else, which leads me to >think it may be a more modern piece (a learned friend suggested perhaps >Victorian). Melissa, As the website is "Explore Parliament" I'm pretty certain that the portrait shown is one of the historical paintings in the Houses of Parliament, so, yes, it is Victorian, evidently based on the double portrait in your second URL. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 3 06:33:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l73AXSK8013383 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:33:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l73AXR1c021428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l73AVVxK028604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l73AVSZ5059762; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from endeavour.systems.viatel.net (endeavour.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l73AVNcS059679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by endeavour.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGuRG-0001sO-Pc for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:31:23 +0100 Message-ID: <23638BD5C7B945A79E9EA04DFC5B6679@SerenaPC> From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:27:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16480 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Dressing Jane X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2eaba4b7-64c6-4a6a-83b7-20f29f86ec09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B30477.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 4 14:32:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74IW1A1011290 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:32:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l74IW0mb015059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l74IVT3w021579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:31:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74IVPsm057278; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74IVO4P057265 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1021649rvf for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 11:31:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=keSwyE0QE45MHVaujOOaEr21mYp071NdM7/6NfguMov3Zw1gOBsIKgeiYmpAFU9I96HDAiCVLjNy4cWv+O6Zye6hDf7ZmmEPyaOufO03LsTXR+3cUndSuc7ho612ZxjtRnK4dkrhIXcuHeo9/xGozAMLi3HeBToEFB2daWyFezc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=A6yvb2VnHdyTwFmXhLVoyWD+bZrzh2Z16U7Nzr2BwyPOKRd6cSozITuWPeUJd9m0yuZCCUNDDVN5LUd74l3wHpxQa8iyBcSka495U7be62RDWTgUJYIvKmrquMIQn0QeFkZgPsli3FCwXA66qT41nlBahcDcTYHHyXtCSvXbZTc= Received: by 10.142.109.16 with SMTP id h16mr182878wfc.1186252284147; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 11:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:31:24 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5cdbd029-e437-4ef2-82de-d9ecf9490af2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B4C620.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > From: "Alexandria Doyle" > I am preparing to begin on my version of the gown shown in the Pelican > portrait of Queen Elizabeth I, Nicholas Hilliard, circa 1574. > I have been contemplating whether to make this a trained gown or not, > and if I do, should the underskirt also be trained to help with the > flow of the over skirt? The outer gown will be made with a fairly > lightweight red-black shot silk and lined with a black silk satin that > isn't very heavy either - with black velvet guards. >From a point of practicality, modern humans, even those used to wearing & being around people wearing complicated clothes, are completely oblivious to trains underfoot. Back in Jan I was wearing my gown with the 8" chopines & a 3' train. Some child (about 9yrs) literally walked up my train and brought me to my knees. It's a red dress. You'd think they'd notice! As a point historical fashion, they certainly are delightful to look at, contemplate wear & make. If only we could cure the obliviousness. Sigh, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 4 17:18:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74LI9nf017917 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:18:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l74LI8qq031397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:18:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l74LHS0Q039219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:17:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74LHN2Z077172; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l74LHKQS077054 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from giagavino@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66023 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2007 21:17:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UJ3lrTZ5582lEGmtKY9K0XRvhaUJ+2gqWHXISgMrFdyt85JtMnzEF6R+tbK11Q2+1Y6ktUdcwXbFiPh/HRbvBbiNNL/e+1ZlgQgHHokfTmaeOwGy59B+sYasFfwlLjhm0koz+Z0mHlZaac0VW8P7M2sRv3eKYTOvbb1z/JihjMI=; X-YMail-OSG: n3gvPgEVM1mvK__ZXxcLsoCUSvAYD8y_2c3TrN9L1Ymlb_R9WWBvVxwDbfmluidpR429oG1Gh3QG9aZdUjLwuiPpFhtg8hLvVXakrCOTuqJZuRJaVhDciqX.k5ZiQg-- Received: from [71.231.69.213] by web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:17:15 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gia Gavino Subject: Re: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <301146.65827.qm@web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1207f613-d646-4ff2-8384-1494b33ccc03 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B4ED10.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The child was probably so enchanted and enthralled by the beauty of your gown maybe she thought she'd found the red carpet to costuming heaven? I know my daughter at that age was looking at all the gorgeous gowns so intently that she didn't watch where she was stopping...usually on my trained gowns... Gia Cin wrote: > From: "Alexandria Doyle" > I am preparing to begin on my version of the gown shown in the Pelican > portrait of Queen Elizabeth I, Nicholas Hilliard, circa 1574. > I have been contemplating whether to make this a trained gown or not, > and if I do, should the underskirt also be trained to help with the > flow of the over skirt? The outer gown will be made with a fairly > lightweight red-black shot silk and lined with a black silk satin that > isn't very heavy either - with black velvet guards. >From a point of practicality, modern humans, even those used to wearing & being around people wearing complicated clothes, are completely oblivious to trains underfoot. Back in Jan I was wearing my gown with the 8" chopines & a 3' train. Some child (about 9yrs) literally walked up my train and brought me to my knees. It's a red dress. You'd think they'd notice! As a point historical fashion, they certainly are delightful to look at, contemplate wear & make. If only we could cure the obliviousness. Sigh, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 4 19:53:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74NruwB023859 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:53:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l74Nrt44010259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l74Nq2ts088556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74NprFi009321; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l739vFPJ030244 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 03:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 08E4635E21 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:57:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:57:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] need a wee bit o'help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 03ffeed7-95c9-4389-ab86-d33a37878ecb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B51193.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am not good at drafting patterns and I asm have a fog. I want to achieve this bodice. http://www.homolaicus.com/arte/pittrici/madre.jpg Any recommendations? would using the Margo Anderson pattern work? I plan on using Simplicity 7215 http://tinyurl.com/2vgyrp for the camicia but will change the sleeves a bit. This is the fabric I got for the dress. http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.aspx?ItmID=D5369 http://tinyurl.com/yrr2dw only 7 yds Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 4 19:57:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74NvQ7V023952 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:57:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l74NvPwa009172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:57:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l74Ntrll089946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l74Ntrli013145; Sat, 4 Aug 2007 17:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l73KfCPg097432 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1021301waf for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:41:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lnCVwmv6s96bv5g0h3W8IU5cFLTPnVsReltXPZNpl2gOZOL0Vz5fpbtKESdon2iZ52x/jnEx+n/L3M8TXunOmHea0rb4LuQtvxOi23NFMrBYBVethhxVNwkyBXHdzIjfvRQ3wTFnu3cyVGPdRdYicYeKAlJqS5I9pXqMCHbNFSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VZuiwzbmoaDYu+/0gzfp00CA9fBeBUygDQn02qBa086/RZQn3wtKlS96fKgVm9tL+jkY+IceTo2oW2bKOiper62jSGlsKt/ZQ6vWc85B0SeXJljiVPr8nZwbcUd3Rz5N8yE6V8puUKkmdnFFqWIKjYV84lEXNCIU4829RvuT0NQ= Received: by 10.115.93.16 with SMTP id v16mr3317923wal.1186173672045; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.58.15 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590708031341y3fe7376cmda827de8f7551684@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:41:11 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ceeefe8c-e415-4cf7-9e9a-e4f4f6456abc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46B51265.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am preparing to begin on my version of the gown shown in the Pelican portrait of Queen Elizabeth I, Nicholas Hilliard, circa 1574. The final gown is intended to be for formal occasions, with all the bells and whistles, so to speak. I have been contemplating whether to make this a trained gown or not, and if I do, should the underskirt also be trained to help with the flow of the over skirt? The outer gown will be made with a fairly lightweight red-black shot silk and lined with a black silk satin that isn't very heavy either - with black velvet guards. The under skirt is probably going to be a fairly stiff silk with machine embroidered flowers on it - unless I change my mind again! One of my problems on this decision is that much of my research was done several years ago, and I have spent the time collecting the "right" fabrics and working on other projects so that now that I'm ready to start this one, I am having to recheck everything. I have this thought floating in my head that perhaps the train could be a separate layer that goes over the skirt - they is a separate skirt - but I'm not sure where that is coming from... alex -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 06:23:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75ANd2i030089 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:23:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75ANcis018423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:23:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75AMxxd057403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:22:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75AMt4u064600; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75AMp9S064542 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 04:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1IHdG7-0006ye-GD for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:22:51 +0000 Message-ID: <46B5A4FB.30306@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:22:51 +0100 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor References: <46B24A19.3060802@where.else.net.nz> <002501c7d58a$0ca21360$3addf5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <002501c7d58a$0ca21360$3addf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f923e4fd-10ee-4d0a-ab1b-2320e23c0c40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46B5A52A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The background looks to me like tapestry, or it might be painted pannelling. I've never visited the Houses of Parliament but I bet these are all along a corridor or gallery somewhere. Jean Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Brown Muckart" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:18 AM > Subject: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor > > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I am embarking on some Tudor costume. I am searching for a citation >> for the portrait on this page: >> >> http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0296/0296_.htm >> >> I've looked around the website and cannot find any contact >> information for the website itself nor anywhere on the site that >> gives credit to the artists for the portraits therein. I've googled >> until my eyes bled, but was unable to find the first portrait >> anywhere else, which leads me to think it may be a more modern piece >> (a learned friend suggested perhaps Victorian). >> > I think this is probably Victorian looking at most of the other > pictures listed nearby in this list of images > http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/index.htm and the fact > that images like this > http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0279/0279_.htm image of > Anne Boleyn (which the website clearly says "The painting on which > this portrait is based is now known to show another Anne, a Queen of > Hungary." other portraits e.g. Elizabeth of York, Catherine of Aragon > and Catherine Howard also directly mention the original portraits they > are based on) is painted on the same background I believe they are of > the same date and therefore the image you're looking at is a 19th > century (or later) copy, not a period image. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 08:47:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75CluRi003607 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:47:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75Clt3g022499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:47:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75Cl2V5004141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75Ckxxp086722; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:46:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75CkuWf086633 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) Received: from [24.145.135.5] (helo=gold.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1IHfVS-0004Sh-TS for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:46:51 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:46:46 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Frau Anna Bleucher Subject: Re: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train In-Reply-To: <301146.65827.qm@web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <301146.65827.qm@web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-103D4004 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: f624f35fe26fb6dbfe687ec8711461339ef193a6bfc3dd48ff9422f89b0cd2072e7c787404c35079bd6355a4fd6b880e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.135.5 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 116b4a9c-f7ce-4179-b827-998749c41797 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B5C6FB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am firmly of the belief that while no one looks you in the eye, they're certainly not watching where their feet are going either. I have a gown that has a very short train (about a foot). In walking very quickly and purposefully in a straight line and following three other people toward my destination through a light crowd, I had my train stepped on no less than 6 times. Not only do people not see trains, but they have no concept of personal space. Connie At 05:17 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote: >The child was probably so enchanted and enthralled by the beauty of >your gown maybe she thought she'd found the red carpet to costuming heaven? > > I know my daughter at that age was looking at all the gorgeous > gowns so intently that she didn't watch where she was > stopping...usually on my trained gowns... > > Gia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 09:35:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75DZO3A006225 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:35:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75DZNtc027369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:35:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75DYrxw011237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75DYpEw022631; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75DYo2a022604 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1622504waf for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:34:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=umAioxgYMb7eqRw4p7wGvy9wB/qBZeav9bCDkX+1YPz9uffPG8Z4vurRK8cBCPXOF7SQRHM+scnNQlJesfQFWadJt6flecyx2D14hOAoFRQF10tvG00WSIa+tWYKEUWQ8aewQbhsvNLU+2+w2GZj0vIAJRv1QKm3Kv0YEP0O9tU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TQeAd5J+BbeDnu5S8UiIClPyEycosFV4PD75YBwupSAzD4RyU/kDEcYSHo8rd8dTI9k4AukL/fh0zoU2HSXj9KZs0V0bzb5+6A2bIU3vCbkvLFk6DJjdJyIZL1nhCrtXv7NifMeQ29EoEQ1kylkeLai7LOYxbTYr7FzW1mYVu90= Received: by 10.115.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr4726096wai.1186320889136; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.58.15 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590708050634k307565b0j12dc5d1303ea08ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:34:49 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <301146.65827.qm@web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7fb5e63-6efb-4124-993d-1917f565da0d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B5D21B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's interesting, because I have a couple of gowns with trains, short ones as you've mentioned and the people that step on my train are friends that are walking close to me. I don't recall a train being stepped upon by someone I don't know. But I take an attitude when I'm wearing such gowns, slow and graceful usually and people generally clear a path for me. And if I'm concern with the closeness of the crowd, I'll pick up the train - well easy enough when it's an overgown that is trained. alex On 8/5/07, Frau Anna Bleucher wrote: > I am firmly of the belief that while no one looks you in the eye, > they're certainly not watching where their feet are going either. I > have a gown that has a very short train (about a foot). In walking > very quickly and purposefully in a straight line and following three > other people toward my destination through a light crowd, I had my > train stepped on no less than 6 times. Not only do people not see > trains, but they have no concept of personal space. > > Connie > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 10:06:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75E6nH4007640 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:06:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75E6noj014981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75E6A5X015439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75E678L043128; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75E64LD043067 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so1272346fkq for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 07:06:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZVXzo8Uwe+YmoD+DTc21A5lFDfvngKi4DePH1YEhhyH1dot7s5NhYEr+1yZ2enZuSoXjDfDIm+kXzXmD8ucNgD4+HjwJA/l6LCquDZ7WiU/h/KXIr3jjJ4cJyaRMHL7XNq5E7fS4hiFTv+JmbTzDai2QNYJ0DHt1DKx27f/ZVQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qft9thZLlktck8Qgsm/3DwX8NnVmPENekTArVDzm1VoDSfWyB3edBVdQfl/FvH/w/gd5kZEVPwjIJMdhri5pOstAZnA+hdKISW/dpHMdDH+Ikb/yoBTUSQdISxLgJv+efauiFjKpOOT/KvxBUASkke+rsRGbAVQN+6AJ2/9F9+U= Received: by 10.82.189.6 with SMTP id m6mr4880840buf.1186322763222; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 07:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.179.12 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660708050706o459ad27fva82f2af733821205@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:06:03 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <301146.65827.qm@web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b47e09b4-1879-45e6-b6fc-514cf5934348 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B5D979.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mari / Bridgette wrote: > Not only do people not see > trains, but they have no concept of personal space. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 11:41:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75FfU6L011759 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:41:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75FfUs6020271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:41:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75FeoKT026178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75Felub003096; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75Fegid002971 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A19DDA75 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:40:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46B5EF83.2070900@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:40:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need a wee bit o'help References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7cd88ea4-b4d5-4f8e-bdfe-d22bccc6235e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B5EFAA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 12:08:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75G84pH012925 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:08:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75G84Im019080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:08:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75G79kx029801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:07:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75G77HR020968; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75G73AX020863 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:07:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1186329828-7bef00080001-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1186329828 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 85714291A32 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:03:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800431D3D for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:03:54 +0200 Message-ID: <220801c7d77a$5826fac0$9c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46B5EF83.2070900@reddawn.net> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] need a wee bit o'help Subject: Re: [h-cost] need a wee bit o'help Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:04:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 270d7540-e347-4081-831c-fc3df1d3b4e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46B5F5E4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > otsisto wrote: >> I am not good at drafting patterns and I asm have a fog. I want to >> achieve >> this bodice. >> http://www.homolaicus.com/arte/pittrici/madre.jpg Well, to make things much less clear, there are these patterns of women's gowns from a similar time & place: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/ Specifically: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/pages/f101V.html which is illustrated here: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/pages/f102R.html and http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/pages/f94V.html which is illustrated here: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/pages/f94R.html Now, the bottom two pieces on both patterns are almost certainly skirt pieces, with the piece on the right being upside down. The top piece on the 1st pattern is almost certainly the sleeve, which leaves the middle (on the 1st pattern) and top (on the 2nd pattern) piece for the bodice. The darn thing is nonsensical, though. No matter how I turn it around mentally, it just refuses to coalesce into any useable bodice pattern piece. Maybe I'll have to actually cut one out of a piece of scrap fabric and experiment with it! It looks more like a short sleeve puff, but the edges don't match up properly, and the 1st dress doesn't _have_ sleeve puffs. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 12:14:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75GEAPe013166 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:14:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75GE8PC020376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:14:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75GDDxh030809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:13:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75GDC54026955; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l75GD997026876 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41766 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2007 16:13:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NRrEmzFceFDp0Yjio1CWWFpjWz3J1mvWVLCDD7ly/dUF4Oz+TvGqxooXWa66k3VP4q6BJPvss/Qk85OX8F3Jb4UgIw0ZFxsgfobp+V8LdE4TSmzIH0PNKACKyCjasbpzSSQIyv9ueXcPL7G/arkANydzrJBXeG9Wp4j86m6YhW0=; X-YMail-OSG: QHjZ1NMVM1lqNx39QZF46vKDHFrcTBXoUbmBeG65YYFvDpMMMs7uRNnP4zv.MbiBcJ8e1nsXR_7TWtyI8lneiUPh4dCdK5K7P3JUZhMIdm_eaS9AjDbqjdyR5SnTwQ-- Received: from [69.182.135.153] by web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:13:03 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <220801c7d77a$5826fac0$9c00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <721281.41246.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bodice Re: need a wee bit o'help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6df2fc2c-2e7b-4369-8e24-2edd2d668fe7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B5F750.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I saw no bodice pattern included on either pattern sketch/layout. Looked like hanging or not full sleeves, and a smoking pipe (;)), plus the skirt pieces as you have noted. Ann in CT --- E House wrote: > Well, to make things much less clear, there are > these patterns of women's gowns from a similar time > & place: > http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/ > Specifically: > http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/pages/f101V.html > http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/pages/f94V.html > > Now, the bottom two pieces on both patterns are > almost certainly skirt > pieces, with the piece on the right being upside > down. The top piece on the > 1st pattern is almost certainly the sleeve, which > leaves the middle (on the > 1st pattern) and top (on the 2nd pattern) piece for > the bodice. > > The darn thing is nonsensical, though. No matter > how I turn it around > mentally, it just refuses to coalesce into any > useable bodice pattern piece. > Maybe I'll have to actually cut one out of a piece > of scrap fabric and > experiment with it! It looks more like a short > sleeve puff, but the edges > don't match up properly, and the 1st dress doesn't > _have_ sleeve puffs. > > -E House ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 14:25:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75IPxV5018957 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:25:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75IPwZd031222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:26:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75IMfDo048368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75IMbSu017171; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75IMYSk017077 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pndBFj0OzgQlC2wrHsPRHiV7GE/+06a0wZVPwaANvYcVn3+iDANQU4/3SMYtwWVN; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.169.204] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IHkkG-000083-Tl for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:22:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <301146.65827.qm@web33713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F16BCD9-08A5-4416-8D73-809E78D609A9@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:23:32 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47883cda70a3f3dc3be263e4da9b6b0fe6a301ee85fcf877b1e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.169.204 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd954f4b-f63f-4667-8a96-7066b4e80a50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B61637.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Aug 5, 2007, at 5:46 AM, Frau Anna Bleucher wrote: > I am firmly of the belief that while no one looks you in the eye, > they're certainly not watching where their feet are going either. I > have a gown that has a very short train (about a foot). In walking > very quickly and purposefully in a straight line and following > three other people toward my destination through a light crowd, I > had my train stepped on no less than 6 times. Not only do people > not see trains, but they have no concept of personal space. If I may interject an anthropological note ... "personal space" is an _extremely_ culture-dependent concept. Everyone has a concept of personal space; they may simply have a very different one from the one you or I is used to. And even within a culture, personal space is highly context-dependent. A distance that would be unthinkable when a second person sits down on an otherwise-empty park bench is perfectly acceptable in a crowded elevator. When it comes to costuming and trains, I think there are several issues coming in that can be problematic. We live modernly in a culture where clothing trailing on the ground is an accidental fault of which the wearer ought to be warned. So our ingrained concepts of personal space really have no _reason_ to take trailing clothing into account. And very often the occasions where we are wearing historic costumes are of the "socializing with friends" type, where the default personal space is likely to be relatively short. It's quite possible (likely?) that in a historic culture where someone would be wearing a trained gown, both the nature of the event- circumstance and the social standing of the person wearing the gown would result in an expected personal space distance that would make the train non-problematic. (Not meaning to pick on your example, but how likely is it that an Elizabethan lady who was wearing a trained gown would be "walking very quickly and purposefully ... following other people ... through a light crowd"? As opposed to moving in a formal and stately manner in the presence of people of lesser rank whose attention would be focused on her by default?) Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 5 19:45:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75Nj5Lh000692 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:45:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l75Nj4hh010833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:45:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l75NhuUQ084709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75Nhnhc020183; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:43:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l75NhjrR020064 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:43:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from naergilien@yahoo.de) Received: (qmail 40970 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2007 23:43:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mpNFvbNAH5KVwigZUP2L8sNKaB3RnieUbrhZkykH1mj1qYKslt/rmJcaaCbqUcpyZnW0EwYANLRWUlZ18Bjr5LbeYnObeBXDVIxGVILcsoJcYFxPUOjwFtrm8rmDaUs/+bo44BHnThb47Uvb0gZapF9rh484NdHka3uyPl7XLBk=; X-YMail-OSG: XBgcTZAVM1n5t4nuvlx3XKl8i7P_83JbGexslAWV_WzqBMZBjmrwnWwaAIgIsOZOibkPN9rs3aVV9dvQ15a96tQpXewiZtW4DQ-- Received: from [84.144.125.155] by web26714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:43:39 CEST Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 01:43:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Naergilien - Sabine Pothmann To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200708041800.l74I08Bs036021@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <590075.40965.qm@web26714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4133f3f1-a8bc-4dc7-acf3-81ca7c017d8b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46B66100.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Alexandria, > I am preparing to begin on my version of the gown > shown in the Pelican portrait of Queen Elizabeth I, > Nicholas Hilliard, circa 1574. (...) > I have been contemplating whether to make this a > trained gown or not, (...) I have already made the 'Pelican' portrait gown; see my site here: http://www.naergilien.info/pelicandiary/index.htm where I have published a rather large dress diary for the gown I made. I didn't train my skirts; first due to the lack of fabric and second I think it's more comfortable this way ;-) > One of my problems on this decision is that much of > my research was done several years ago, and I have > spent the time collecting the "right" fabrics and > working on other projects so that now that I'm > ready to start this one, I am having to recheck > everything. Perhaps my dress diary can help you a bit. The making of this gown took me five months; during that time I have constantly written that diary with all thoughts I had, so maybe it can be of use to you. Might be a lot to read, but will probably give you some ideas :-) Best wishes, Sabine Wissenswertes zum Thema PC, Zubehör oder Programme. BE A BETTER INTERNET-GURU! www.yahoo.de/clever _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 6 05:58:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l769wthT005740 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:58:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l769ws8C032346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 05:58:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l769ur9E077674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 03:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l769uk8r007239; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 03:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l769uf0x007156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 03:56:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-128-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.128]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l769udb0000897 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:56:40 +1000 Message-ID: <009801c7d810$17643cf0$80d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:56:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5120efbc-23fc-45b3-bb79-33e6f2607015 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B6F0DE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aylwen & John Garden" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown >I am 5' 2" and extremely curvy, or should I say bottom heavy?! > the best term I ever heard was 'an hourglass with a bit more sand at the bottom' at 5' 10" I don't qualify as a pocket Venus but I thought it was a fabulous way to describe someone like me who isn't truly pear shaped (the standard definition of pear shaped usually includes a small bust, which I don't qualify for) but has more hip than bust. -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 6 11:07:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76F7POx007484 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:07:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l76F7PdU026631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76F5Qk3053673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76F5K8r070323; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l76F5G53070175 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDMQQEMAMRCTW2 for (sender ); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgnkGdEZMTaiEzXmkBevfRsM= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MUGJBW2E; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:04:04 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20070806.080354.532.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:3:31786629 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 119c8c88-8020-4d3b-a2a3-6031617164a3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B7392D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi all! Last year, my vocal consort was entirely outfitted in GFD's for our winter performances (thanks for the great lecture series, Robin!) :-D This year, we'ld like to add appropriate headwear. Might anyone be able to suggest some links or bits of wisdom? Thanks! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 6 13:29:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76HTeiM011832 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:29:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l76HTeP3007989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:29:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76HQFJH095804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76HQBtA033923; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76HQ8Fk033836 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07479 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:30:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:30:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses In-Reply-To: <20070806.080354.532.3.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e19993f3-d877-4a37-a0f4-064463ed55d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46B75A84.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Do you have a tighter focus on where your particular GFDs and your performance impression fit within that? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 6 16:26:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76KQBR3016892 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:26:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l76KQBw9031062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:26:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76KPLSs027103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:25:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76KPAZx036999; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l76KOcfa036294 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDMRA5YALJ8G52 for (sender ); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:24:22 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgguIGPJa494IXNxSoCotm/s= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MUG4L6W5; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:23:41 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:17:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Message-ID: <20070806.132325.396.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3800692454 X-MAIL-INFO: 4a2d6125610d00400d00304d00307dadfd05a0f5805905bd519580f0bd391529bd7549c02db02d69113021002d4d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0783241d-5d7e-463b-8d93-f29f3fa29d5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46B783E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not really. We do medieval and Ren music from England, Italy, France, and Spain, so it's more of a general look we're aiming for. Just nothing that covers the ears though. Thanks! :-) Arlys > The dress style spans 100 years and several countries, and headdress > changed by place and time. Do you have a tighter focus on where your > particular GFDs and your performance impression fit within that? > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 6 16:28:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76KSSW1016985 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:28:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l76KSRGp031788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:28:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76KRmli027636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76KRh4o039850; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76KRbRL039742 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1II9At2Uw0-0005pw; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:27:36 -0400 Message-ID: <007801c7d868$3583b190$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009801c7d810$17643cf0$80d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1880 Ball Gown Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:27:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/lEyPmcNSzR5vLX2I2aHJXlhZbXdZuW0/W6KG 9UCz/LlyhfXr/uGuiNM3WW5uALYpKNowTLTyUzX/dJeGsAhp9O MVC98NJ/377SCnA/OWpdA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a94de3a-6674-410d-9370-3784f27db911 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B7846B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Elizabeth, I heard one this weekend...referring to a figure: an hourglass running out of time. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 6 18:00:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76M0j9T019433 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:00:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l76M0jva016434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:00:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76Lwq6b043064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:58:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76Lwnds035629; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76LwlS1035577 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:58:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2119512waf for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:58:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BRfgbNt2nP/YzBrxl/dx7kNVQhgNeOEZk+Cqn1j6RV+3/CQ/FT0GpVJe9dVjl4p/8tG3o4eQP34D/k5r201n4NSxqn1/BOwqPcq7CRkUQ3eXiXOlWZ7xZsv+z0UmHQc7gAj8IzhjGwVv+0oBSS2oPaj6W5wNjyESsjiBI63Au/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q2/C7V4XtCFV8qNQmpgjv9/CjrnD+Q0BRS69ZR2CPFNMz5EViLC2vy2YkS0oO+6Ff/6wqoGqFmKAXhgvog/8KJ2m0paxBUHv4GQ1adNAttRfNM7p90kOUTXjy3kKAOYIm7NA97yinAbBDzhEVvbzHrjsmtvfNomyiqglu+7JIQo= Received: by 10.114.195.19 with SMTP id s19mr6069943waf.1186437526270; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.58.15 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590708061458w34919f69wceb92cc10c7d55b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:58:46 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Elizabethan Gowns - to train or not to train In-Reply-To: <590075.40965.qm@web26714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708041800.l74I08Bs036021@net.indra.com> <590075.40965.qm@web26714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d89a57d-940b-42b0-811f-657f8243a910 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B79A0D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sabine That's for the site, it was interesting to see how you tackled various elements. Most of the gown I have worked out, such as the bodice and sleeve rolls that I drafted and made into a simpler gown. -the way I did the sleeve rolls was to make them a roll around the arm but included a diamond shaped gusset under the arm that was hand sewn to the bodice - much as you would in the smock underarm seam. This allows the rolls to sit off the points of the shoulder as seen in the original portrait. I have found that the sleeves and partlet underneath need to be "laced" together to keep everything together, and also the rolled sleeves is lined with linen that onto either linen or velvet- my two trial sleeve types create a kind of velcro to help hold the rolls up where they need to be. This version of the gown isn't intended to be an exact replica, since I plan to couch gold cord knots on velvet guards interspersed with embroidered, appliqued symbols of friends and family. I'm just trying to figure out if I should do the train - which I don't have trouble walking in - my thought there is that the train will show off the embroidery work. It's not like this is going to be an everyday event gown. But then again, would I get more use of the gown without the train? And just how likely was this style of gown to have had the train... will have to look through the books tonight thanks again alex On 8/5/07, Naergilien - Sabine Pothmann wrote: > I have already made the 'Pelican' portrait gown; see > my site here: > http://www.naergilien.info/pelicandiary/index.htm >-) > > Best wishes, > Sabine > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 6 18:31:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76MVkQf020317 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:31:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l76MVkc5013677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:31:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76MVDbW048527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76MVBlJ066701; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76FUACg095987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76FU4Ws020734 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:30:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:30:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <38080.65.117.156.5.1186414204.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <20070806.080354.532.3.Cley@juno.com> References: <20070806.080354.532.3.Cley@juno.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:30:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=7.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book: The Development of Costume, Naomi Tarrant X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 571b794f-8e7c-42e4-b2ac-7857687afd25 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46B7A152.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 6 18:33:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76MXs1b020362 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:33:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l76MXrwe028391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:33:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l76MXTRV049148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76MXRNP069310; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76IZKLw014823 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.7]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070806183513.VMMH19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:35:13 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.7]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070806183512.YGTC24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:35:12 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:29:17 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book: The Development of Costume, Naomi Tarrant In-Reply-To: <200708061801.l76I163C074947@net.indra.com> References: <200708061801.l76I163C074947@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070806183512.YGTC24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5100507-137d-4004-8026-0aa09bb888e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46B7A1D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a copy, but it's been several years since I read it. Beth At 01:01 PM 8/6/2007, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:30:04 -0500 (CDT) >From: "Chiara Francesca" > >The Development of Costume, Naomi Tarrant is a book I am thinking of >purchasing but it is over 40.00 where I am looking at before the >discount. > >Does anyone have this book? What do you think of her viewpoints >since she is actually working with the garments instead of the >theory of the garment? > >Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 7 09:24:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77DOXDs014270 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:24:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l77DOWBo028247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:24:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l77DNk7K080314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77DNh2Z096447; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l770sWmZ098254 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so584174wri for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:54:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=qfza2lfnYY4OqhDFmejFG0kPaIwrO1sVNlsS+W8olGaBXCPI0d/TiagladFLcTsAKDscRxDtElOO3wSsy1KWR4GPWerg2xlJBWslRcoRuFbUd28VxYMpJJtJ0z5DWwkXPArFZuVMhzizQwCHLKLHlT4hAZXtPHsHmUr6u0aIe7M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=FIJpHMQr37DssgB6di11+S89R7aARI2HTi3pwwNnDFTQ+3RiKPyJgr4LE9LxCit7zttbPvQT0a+hRDDuDNVZrp/stIP/lfWNK9e/gOo/zDI/YlpYByy98+xkZNxjNHbJqysiRmer5C+hg17/L0PxxvMwFkg60YlDuRkJlqcYSoU= Received: by 10.90.89.5 with SMTP id m5mr5410314agb.1186448071760; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheBeast ( [70.109.227.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm8456561agc.2007.08.06.17.54.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004501c7d88d$86636e00$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:54:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d279cf0-41ba-48fd-93eb-be32012b7f09 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46B87290.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How about, say, 1450 give or take 10 years? or so... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > >> Last year, my vocal consort was entirely outfitted in GFD's for our >> winter performances (thanks for the great lecture series, Robin!) :-D >> This year, we'ld like to add appropriate headwear. Might anyone be >> able to suggest some links or bits of wisdom? > > The dress style spans 100 years and several countries, and headdress > changed by place and time. Do you have a tighter focus on where your > particular GFDs and your performance impression fit within that? > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 7 09:24:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77DOZEw014276 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:24:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l77DOZ8N031915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:24:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l77DM6gx079850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77DLpER094293; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:22:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l76Mqc0N095021 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A610CE0314; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:52:00 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20070806.132325.396.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:52:34 -0700 Message-ID: <009f01c7d87c$7ab64b60$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfYaCOrn27xUkWISDWqSzEth4q2AAAE/hOw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070806.132325.396.0.Cley@juno.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 1ed72080-3ecc-4227-b98e-b24926081e12 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46B87293.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A really easy one is a tube stuffed and with a wire through the middle. You can shape the wire at center front to a point or curve the side up a bit. Add a scarf, either attached center front or just from the back. Not necessarily completely period, but gives the right "look" easily. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Not really. We do medieval and Ren music from England, Italy, France, and Spain, so it's more of a general look we're aiming for. Just nothing that covers the ears though. Thanks! :-) Arlys > The dress style spans 100 years and several countries, and headdress > changed by place and time. Do you have a tighter focus on where your > particular GFDs and your performance impression fit within that? > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 7 09:25:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77DP14S014297 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:25:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l77DP0Rf017696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:25:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l77DMfMv079961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77DMdCC095005; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l770RXup074083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-109-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.109]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l770RMdR003429 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:27:23 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c7d889$b86def00$6dd5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070806.080354.532.3.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:27:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 2db90237-6786-4e0e-a78c-e417066fe03b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46B872AC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses > Hi all! > > Last year, my vocal consort was entirely outfitted in GFD's for our > winter performances (thanks for the great lecture series, Robin!) :-D > This year, we'ld like to add appropriate headwear. Might anyone be able > to suggest some links or bits of wisdom? > > Thanks! > Arlys What about a veil, it's really hard to get much simpler and a square of linen is one of the most useful and versatile accessories ever invented if you're doing any sort of work (a square of linen and tucked into your belt and becomes an apron, or a dishcloth, or a napkin or a baby's bib etc. of course you don't want to take use the one you're wearing on your head for this but if you make a couple you'll be amazed at the number of times you find a use for it) and it's easy to change the class impression simply by draping the veil differently (e.g. the peasants in the Tres Riches Heures typically wrap it round their heads like a turban and the upper classes wear it long and flowing). HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 7 10:01:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77E1EM8014976 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:01:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l77E1CTD016752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:01:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l77E0fPv090436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:00:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77E0cIe041363; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77E0AmC040767 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.214.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.214]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IIPbU-0001hd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:00:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004501c7d88d$86636e00$6501a8c0@TheBeast> References: <004501c7d88d$86636e00$6501a8c0@TheBeast> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39DD3FEA-A4A1-4C08-B717-9BDFE2D04150@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:01:49 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5437790f-6bea-447c-bff3-bd4848a5ee89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B87B28.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, Boticelli's PRIMAVERA is 1482, so a bit late, but why not go with a floral wreath anyway? For winter concerts you could use winter greenery wih accents of berries and colder-weather flowers like small chrysanthemums.... For spring (if you wear the GFDs that late into the year) of course there are beautiful early-spring flowers....Very festive, very pretty...or is that more "fantasy" than the impression you want to convey? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Aug 6, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Brangwyne wrote: > How about, say, 1450 give or take 10 years? or so... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses > > >> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote: >>> Last year, my vocal consort was entirely outfitted in GFD's for our >>> winter performances (thanks for the great lecture series, >>> Robin!) :-D >>> This year, we'ld like to add appropriate headwear. Might anyone be >>> able to suggest some links or bits of wisdom? >> The dress style spans 100 years and several countries, and headdress >> changed by place and time. Do you have a tighter focus on where your >> particular GFDs and your performance impression fit within that? >> --Robin >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 7 15:26:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77JQPgd005557 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:26:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l77JQOcf007086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:26:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l77JOBNg045109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:24:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77JNd58078673; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra2.swissinfo.org (barra2.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l77JN6XM077520 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1186509413-021c005d0000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.76:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra2.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id A58E767236 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:56:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra2.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id VPDsFEfUWmJUIm93 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:56:53 +0200 (CEST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC80049078E for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:16:14 +0200 Message-ID: <509f01c7d916$c81bc700$9c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070806.132325.396.0.Cley@juno.com> <009f01c7d87c$7ab64b60$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:17:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1186509414 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c973176-07ca-427c-80ca-4af2227a9adf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46B8C760.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Apart from the padded roll Sharon suggested, or a foofy feathered hat like Ms April from the Tres Riche Heures, you're going to run into problems finding some commonly worn head covering that _doesn't_ cover the ears! But if all the members of your group have longish hair, you could go for the maiden look, with an uncovered head and nicely braided hair. If you go that route, I think your best bet would be this sort of thing: http://snipurl.com/1p9xy http://www.nd.edu/~medvllib/daylife/tac1995/79v-1L.jpg http://www.godecookery.com/tacuin/tacuin22.htm where a braid on each side of the back wraps around to the front and over the top-front of the head, sort of like a headband; the ends are tucked in. For very long hair, you can cross the braids in back before wrapping them, which is probably more accurate. The style can be done even with shortish hair, though, if you french braid each side from the back to the front. In fact, you don't need to braid it at all; just wrap it: http://www.encyclopedie-universelle.com/images/abricot-tacuinum-sanitatis-codex-vienne.jpg It's more of a stereotypically Italian look, at least for the early 15thC, but later in the 15thC pops up with relative frequency around the western part of the continent. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 7 20:20:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l780KNYq013442 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:20:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l780KINQ005228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:20:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l780JKom098359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l780JGs0063894; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l77EYhko076487 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDMTAYBALEA23A for (sender ); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgkxUN6FErii2/mq8YTMbiJw= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MUJ2XFP9; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:32:49 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:20:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses Message-ID: <20070807.073242.2976.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,8-9,11-14,16-70 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 26:13:1472257511 X-MAIL-INFO: 15dbded3dadacadf8acbdeb75b030e77cae32eef2e8713cf5aaf4f872a13c7cff713979fdb5eda2ade633afab78bfeb30ab37b6f237b6f03026f039a8b8a4f178fea9e4f6ef34beaee6e3b571e6eebd7a3fe37fee72f031b6ffe02 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 998ad7b4-82be-4973-a748-8a8d88b6e135 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46B90C42.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you for all the suggestions, folks! Wow, I knew I'd come to the right place! :-) Regarding turbans--what size of cloth do you need? What would have been used for turbans? And how do you wrap them? Our GFD's are designed for cooler weather--the fall/winter gigs. Most of the group is in wool. Because I'm allergic to wool, mine is a heavy cotton twill lined with linen. If you'ld like to see others, the ladies who made them can be found at www.gotgarb.com . Arlys On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:27:20 +1000 "Elizabeth Walpole" writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:03 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses > > > > Hi all! > > > > Last year, my vocal consort was entirely outfitted in GFD's for > our > > winter performances (thanks for the great lecture series, Robin!) > :-D > > This year, we'ld like to add appropriate headwear. Might anyone be > able > > to suggest some links or bits of wisdom? > > > > Thanks! > > Arlys > > What about a veil, it's really hard to get much simpler and a square > of > linen is one of the most useful and versatile accessories ever > invented if > you're doing any sort of work (a square of linen and tucked into > your belt > and becomes an apron, or a dishcloth, or a napkin or a baby's bib > etc. of > course you don't want to take use the one you're wearing on your > head for > this but if you make a couple you'll be amazed at the number of > times you > find a use for it) and it's easy to change the class impression > simply by > draping the veil differently (e.g. the peasants in the Tres Riches > Heures > typically wrap it round their heads like a turban and the upper > classes wear > it long and flowing). > HTH > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 8 00:03:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7843RoH018641 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 00:03:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7843R2A028193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 00:03:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7842T7P027738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7842PQK040240; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7842KOj040112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (75-162-2-54.desm.qwest.net [75.162.2.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7842DIh009143 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:02:14 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200708061800.l76I0jtH074510@net.indra.com> References: <200708061800.l76I0jtH074510@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <1C1DD708-545C-4672-8D19-9C9A10C6807D@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:02:11 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3891/Tue Aug 7 18:11:58 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tarrant's "The Development of Costume" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1ab8751-9718-4494-9f4d-d00c6f6373b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46B9408F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is part of a series published by "The Heritage: Care- Preservation-Management" programme in the UK, aimed at museum professionals. I find it a very useful introduction to the study of dress -- or as the author says, "Why people wear clothes," -- for both fashion history and museum practice classes. You may already know much of this information, but here it's presented in a well- written, well-organised single package with excellent illustrations. Tarrant writes that "The theme of the book is the structure of western European dress," and she starts with fibres and looms and moves on through construction techniques and shaping, with separate chapters for women's and men's styles from the 16th century to the late 20th century, plus some useful bits about haute couture and ready-made clothes. There are 2 brief chapters on museum display at the end. There's also a good bibliography (still useful in spite of being 13 years out of date). I think it's worth the $42 [at Amazon.com], even for a paperback. The publisher's blurb says, "Clothing is the outward and visible sign of taste, discrimination, social attitudes and status. ... What then does clothing 'mean', and how should it be understood? Naomi Tarrant answers the question not so much from an abstract theory but from the physical reality of the clothes themselves." That's probably as good a summary as anything I can tell you! Suzanne > From: "Chiara Francesca" > Date: August 6, 2007 10:30:04 AM CDT > To: "Historical Costume" > Subject: [h-cost] Book: The Development of Costume, Naomi Tarrant > > > The Development of Costume, Naomi Tarrant is a book I am thinking of > purchasing but it is over 40.00 where I am looking at before the > discount. > > Does anyone have this book? What do you think of her viewpoints > since she is actually working with the garments instead of the > theory of the garment? > > Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 8 16:12:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l78KCZQ2024143 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:12:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l78KCYrI004177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:12:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l78KBmwr099788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l78KB7Sl028532; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l78KApKj028097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l78KC8EX016582 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:12:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46BA233E.40907@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:10:38 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headwear to go with Gothic Fitted Dresses References: <20070806.132325.396.0.Cley@juno.com> <009f01c7d87c$7ab64b60$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <509f01c7d916$c81bc700$9c00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <509f01c7d916$c81bc700$9c00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e545a0b1-528c-4580-8606-7448c671a0b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46BA23B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:12:38 -0400 (EDT) E House wrote: A bunch of great links. I have some pictures and thoughts about related hairstyles at: http://www.virtue.to/articles/crespinette.html http://www.virtue.to/articles/easy_cauls.html Includes some costumery level construction ideas. I know there are other websites out there with other bumps-on-the-side styles. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 8 21:06:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7916Ivv002865 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:06:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7916I0T008734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:06:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7915mj5046228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:05:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7915iY4006921; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7915g88006843 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bestinterests@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so303769rvb for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fPOkLtIK2QhFkKDdN+Kr3N+2PvQwS6TDPn4oJ6ApZk0WS6rkDVhkWq1D2O2c0Zscxuqk/nnXiFYrDTI+PDYGfbtPvs13lopjULy4s1dXfUe9kGUPzI9vwHlLmjluC0M53ZwE/g4UIIobjh9hYmL3rjRFt//AeBlE2yh4Qo32Twc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=D82WvjT1taNWEvVAsh36TkQBzozyLbiOyTdpcxUMsatlR6rSF1n2jdZgsvMmMoIH9cn2N4xEOkPGflAHriUVO/zBPUYTbSmfXoMg8jcWZQoIE498jjbvQxJu2zt1vAbaYC4EA+eYmn/Z3hfB1NezCfOHqr0kgSGtImpjfrRAO6o= Received: by 10.141.202.12 with SMTP id e12mr385515rvq.1186621539343; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.34.3 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:05:39 -0700 From: "ann marie" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] join X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbc9fec9-6b97-4bfd-9e1d-8de821839434 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46BA688A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:06:22 -0400 (EDT) I changed email addresses and forgot to move my account with h-costume, please add me to the list Ann Morton -- "If I were to wish for anything, I should...wish...for the passionate sense of the potential-for the eye, ever young and ardent, sees the possible" -Soren Kierkegaard _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 8 21:31:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l791V5ug003812 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:31:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l791Uxjj028672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:31:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l791UVKr048973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l791UUnS025015; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l791URu9024972 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200708090130.l791URu9024972@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 21874 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2007 18:30:27 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 21495, pid: 21865, t: 1.6825s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2007 18:30:25 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:27:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] join In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20aacaa4-674f-400d-94a7-a475d5a02210 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46BA6E53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:31:03 -0400 (EDT) At 06:05 PM 8/8/2007, you wrote: >I changed email addresses and forgot to move my account with h-costume, >please add me to the list >Ann Morton > >-- >"If I were to wish for anything, I should...wish...for the passionate sense >of the potential-for the eye, ever young and ardent, sees the possible" >-Soren Kierkegaard >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Evidently you managed to get on the list with your new email. Looks like everything is fine. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 10 16:33:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7AKXYoi012060 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:33:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7AKXXsU010013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:33:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7AKWSAE067416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7AKVxLA079713; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:32:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7AKVndE079547 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so646565wxd for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:31:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oUvpUiguGuejz6a6jdrCF+jmYboZ1C7e8RkNWx4vyB2Ij/Cj6/Epx1OsD1fs7DED2ekm0dP5HlFwChyfxPYe+hrVymwiH1KtcvzkLlDco0N+ITllXU9NU3SMleHZtNNnQItko96GbuS6Fzkyy7RQsJHHHfhzvZdlKgRtMiFo/kw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qMkfHLkVgyDUlkhwWUVCxcH+LFVsxRb7RkuJx4Bx4BfJ6yyRtvpa0Q/F6x3p0GujlA8dyMiqk0YTzL0SXZIbhNlvlxrB1yyNs9Ok4zcGuHEejninm9ucwaPnTvHEILrygP1rs9A0I6Dp5VVRTRCMvsAPGBlxKUPrzAI4N0R0pF4= Received: by 10.70.97.13 with SMTP id u13mr4716759wxb.1186777908586; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190708101331u77098585s47d5325d3b57b698@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:31:48 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] In print or not X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c963662-b161-4822-ad86-4ba5dab11fa8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46BCCB9D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:33:37 -0400 (EDT) In reference to the recent discussions re: whether the Daniela Turudich books were ever printed, I emailed a friend of mine who works as a library cataloger in Canada and she sent me the following regarding how to tell if a book listed is really in print or not - library listings aren't always reliable, neither are vendors. Allison T. _______________ Agreed that WorldCat is not a reliable source ... some libraries suppress on-order information and only let a book show in the public catalogue, but the majority display their on-order titles; these can be ordered anywhere from a month to a couple of years before publication, depending on how early publication is announced (and libraries often get promo info long before the general public does). And, despite its name, WorldCat only accesses customers of the OCLC cataloguing service, and not all of those connect correctly (we use it occasionally at work, when our regular and more reliable sources let us down). Vendors are also not your best source of what is actually in print, especially where specialty publications are concerned. Out of the palaeontology books I've been mentioning on LJ lately, only one title was listed as in-print/available by the usual big online vendors ... if I'd trusted them, I would have been sorely disappointed. Your best source is the publisher's own site, if you know who that is (this is how I confirmed the true availability of my books ... I've added a ton of publisher site links to my oddities website, so check there is you've got a publisher) ... most list their forthcoming titles with projected publication dates, as well as their current catalogue. Another good source is the author's own website if they have one ... they'll definitely be promoting their latest and upcoming. If no author site and you don't know the publisher, second best source for you is the Library of Congress ... if the book is listed in there, then open the record, click on the "marc view" tab at the top. The fields of the catalogue record are the set of numbers down the lefthand side. See if the record has a field numbered 263 ... the data in that one is the projected publication month and year provided by the publisher (the publisher name is in field 260, so you can use that as your pointer to the publisher's own page). If there's no 263 and the 300 field has the actual number of pages filled in, then the book is, or has been, in print. If not in LC, check the national library for the country of publication ... they all use the marc system, so the field 263 rule applies to all. If you're striking out on all this, there's the "last resort" Google technique that I teach in my cataloguing cheat workshop. Go to Google homepage and click on the "advanced search" option to the right of the search box. In the Advanced Google, type the main title of the book into the phrase box (the second one on the screen), and the author's surname into the "with all of the words" box (the first one on the screen) ... if the author's given name is distinctive, type that into this box as well. Hit search. This should cough up some leads to publisher, distributors, libraries that have it on order (which will at least net you the publisher name, so you can then track their site down). NOTE: if the book title is single word or "ordinary", e.g. just called "Fashion"or "Psychology", reverse the procedure ... title in the first box and entire author name in correct order in the second box. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 10 18:36:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7AMav3R015816 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:36:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7AMavRT031997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:37:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7AMa5uX085416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7AMa1Hf099772; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7AMZvT1099631 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cdf.163f86ce (41810) for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:35:47 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Just a test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c57a099-e081-4f76-88db-d22dfb8a351f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46BCE889.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Haven't seen any H-costume posts for a few days. Did everyone go on vacation??? [I hope so. Have fun y'all!] ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 10 19:24:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANOVZU017389 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:24:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ANOV0O019701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:24:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ANO88v091711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANO6SH040507; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from endeavour.systems.viatel.net (endeavour.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANO2vk040437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:24:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SerenaPC) by endeavour.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IJdpo-0002mR-PD for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:24:00 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:18:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16480 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce4b4f29-c3c2-4b83-9943-be4be0dbc081 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46BCF3AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 10 19:33:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANX6aq017677 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:33:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ANX6L6028157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:33:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ANWKLl092756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:32:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANWIMc046746; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:32:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANWGjs046718 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so816563fkq for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:32:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uPfNcv+uZ02Ixt8s+P5q7S1xlWDIaTZ86KgSM24INkWgspMeF8JAXwZGJMSrkrfJcW6hFpu998fKHz5lh7nttR03y2xexgWaYdDPeooaYolaWWgueHoC2uEXismECs5v/gA/hITvvQ6/G2x7Kfp6tgmscJw0LeqhCWD5qjEa/eQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N3OhWPQOiJqwtZKNMWZJ1X7wwatBfuV08GSwYqxpRXpHOzf+Ia4OMTXtBcRVUM1xbt+cPP4GwDtEM/HmowveZX2ECxgfrgnmOcoZ9tcYQC5yAQtoQ33rxn4B/ouJPQddXlVW/VUxuzVOQg7VvctiCvn5qsoDv7M7UcdCf5XgFYA= Received: by 10.82.189.6 with SMTP id m6mr5689364buf.1186788735581; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.179.12 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660708101632r71023d8ifbf3ef3bad3bdcb1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:32:15 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b87671fc-0fb4-417e-b1ee-4f8307fc1bae X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46BCF5B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Hey there... It is likely that many folks who portray 1600 and earlier have gone on vacation. There is a very large national historic-ish camp out happening this week. Me... I'm just having a lot of life at the moment. But it is kind of eerie to hear the crickets chirping. :> Mari / Bridgette On 8/10/07, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Haven't seen any H-costume posts for a few days. Did everyone go on > vacation??? > > [I hope so. Have fun y'all!] > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 10 19:34:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANYB1r017724 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:34:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ANYBJM005352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:34:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ANWTeU092779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANWTAF046890; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANWQbj046849 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:32:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so365252nfd for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:32:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RmthDgZAlVWiddvXSz5kQ4s0/6pavgcXyTpPziR4Yz4MZAz8FyjG061bddoTTtRg1nl4sGUbdM3iQVko8+BVZu2si4TA6InhQuID8fxe30v/QESMnw/NLABOMMP2DOPG+kaCSTD3zH0DSrVJ9fqyKJLJxxnU869h4tlQ/52BKP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Vq3Q9ktJoZWB8oFa8wQAc/iS/ToLFxbtcKy6cyt5Ae1UM8sqtxmsa06Ek7PjN3PQ94h+JxkOsy0zaOh9Gv8kfIfF/7KENOmVKw8RPtXuGp0ZyCT0i6yPxWnE/2LE2WQAr7Sa/AZe+2eYYGb8h+W/0xclQ81l7AAwo9cY+WYBHBo= Received: by 10.78.153.17 with SMTP id a17mr1503868hue.1186788742250; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.137.15 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0708101632pf23ff28g2c806e6fc1a60aba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:32:22 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity Patterns In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66bfe7c1-a391-4c31-ae58-f545fc519e9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46BCF5F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:34:15 -0400 (EDT) I'd contact Simplicity if I were you. This is the webpage for contacting them outside the US. http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=international.html That page says that product availability outside the US may be different than wah appears on their website and you should email them with questions. Best of luck, Serena, LynnD On 8/10/07, Serena Dyer wrote: > Does anyone know if the 3635 and 3637 patterns will ever be available in the UK? > > Thanks > > Serena > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 10 19:44:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANiAAR018051 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:44:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ANiAWW010401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:44:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ANhe9T094210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:43:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANhclZ057190; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ANhZTa057083 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:43:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:43:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:43:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:43:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity Patterns Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:43:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:43:29 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2007 23:43:30.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[417E8DB0:01C7DBA8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32814323-2725-4b72-a06b-09df3eafa020 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46BCF84A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Where are you Serena? I will be in Europe in September, I could buy = them for you and send them. If you are in Germany, I might even be able = to hand deliver! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Serena Dyer=20 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity Patterns Does anyone know if the 3635 and 3637 patterns will ever be available = in the UK? Thanks Serena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 10 21:09:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B193QX020670 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:09:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7B193eY025292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:09:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7B189kn004206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B185u5016150; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B182gx016100 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A1F4E39A1D for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:07:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Just a test Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:08:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40e3b792-3987-4297-810a-04316ad31a8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46BD0C2F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Have fun y'all!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 11 00:32:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B4VxAk027678 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:32:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7B4Vvvn007957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:32:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7B4VA8Q033803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:31:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B4V8L4061022; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B4V3pj060874 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JML005FYDVCG3K0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:30:44 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Just a test In-reply-to: <004701c7dbcb$cdb00f20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb10af10-57a4-46b0-9fe2-df86dd65fd3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46BD3BBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:32:03 -0400 (EDT) We are home early. Classes taught, Arts displayed. Too much rain! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Brangwyne Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test yeah, but tomorrow/today is the last day of that lovely camp. Starr > Hey there... > > It is likely that many folks who portray 1600 and earlier have gone on > vacation. There is a very large national historic-ish camp out > happening this week. Me... I'm just having a lot of life at the > moment. But it is kind of eerie to hear the crickets chirping. > > :> > Mari / Bridgette > > On 8/10/07, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >> Haven't seen any H-costume posts for a few days. Did everyone go on >> vacation??? >> >> [I hope so. Have fun y'all!] >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 11 00:58:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B4wLLB028654 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:58:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7B4wLTI017872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:58:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7B3vvZM028052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B3vsTc036295; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7B3vr8k036277 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so772011wxc for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:57:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Upw5OgqHiPn+BFe+R0aBDiBJGNoqC3Sf9HQmbajpCBMDbgExwpMXCcmCnngJcpNg8iS7O88pGxN0Rp5GPISrRv8n5btW8Up6zUKtxQprFpcEYYqJE75ZT2S4UdCP/uCUrdBdZw05ihJwku9Duk5i9b0Y3DNquqGDVrYYjyhoqls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=sjNncnOvq9nGnVnBAL99waRWhgcZdEG6JwS1+M2v4QSa9J+EXP0CLxH6Em9BQobqnu5BPGpfl+cdDq9a3ScAFFz4qbFMFlEQOvt748Aw+oIgC7y+c20YLWps+DOrmDfQvlbv9/GKWbkbqjpbIiFZX6ms4kbmYfpF/0lg9vv6OO0= Received: by 10.70.94.20 with SMTP id r20mr6479426wxb.1186804672872; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheBeast ( [151.203.144.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h34sm6696245wxd.2007.08.10.20.57.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004701c7dbcb$cdb00f20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660708101632r71023d8ifbf3ef3bad3bdcb1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:57:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ee0aa3e-d675-4296-ac50-e82112db0a42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46BD41ED.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:58:25 -0400 (EDT) yeah, but tomorrow/today is the last day of that lovely camp. Starr > Hey there... > > It is likely that many folks who portray 1600 and earlier have gone on > vacation. There is a very large national historic-ish camp out > happening this week. Me... I'm just having a lot of life at the > moment. But it is kind of eerie to hear the crickets chirping. > > :> > Mari / Bridgette > > On 8/10/07, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >> Haven't seen any H-costume posts for a few days. Did everyone go on >> vacation??? >> >> [I hope so. Have fun y'all!] >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 11 08:46:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7BCkOPX016440 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7BCkOq3003377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7BCjiE4055259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7BCjefl067649; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7BCjcSQ067613 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so988488fkq for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:45:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l9fDGsV5XPiU6VwOyO07/Bb7mdjpXWkeyKS8OIsUQ7WI5sudd5487zPRZlL+f6XiG24mdYKpHNgkLz+4h9eO+4yklq2hb3oJrDwrizbIdo5nawQljJD1+x8txbtfF5fKcbikjKtxltBZMNp+epn4FHOF+GN7JyKY8j3vb1ACyMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AUF4rOnKsOvWOdxDXzLdp49d7tANNP+ll5wxmSFmAFmtBX7iBi+YDMaZxYHg/xk01v4oKH3vkiCPbVa07ac1MHUcXGAP8vB9mSIAZ+YFuWopXDyCcGmuRjV1ywSIeWknhU3DVIWdUED5gAGqitE+3qFnL+P/0UsEr+FVbdFDHz4= Received: by 10.82.181.10 with SMTP id d10mr5026047buf.1186836336943; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.179.12 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660708110545p8876b1ay75c7308306e4a74a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:45:36 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004701c7dbcb$cdb00f20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5dcfd761-afad-4acf-a97d-9293380c35e0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46BDAFA0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:28 -0400 (EDT) For those of us Pennsic Starved... tell, tell, tell... Of course, on topic things... :> Mari / Bridgette On 8/10/07, monica spence wrote: > We are home early. Classes taught, Arts displayed. Too much rain! > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Brangwyne > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:58 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test > > > yeah, but tomorrow/today is the last day of that lovely camp. > > Starr > > > > Hey there... > > > > It is likely that many folks who portray 1600 and earlier have gone on > > vacation. There is a very large national historic-ish camp out > > happening this week. Me... I'm just having a lot of life at the > > moment. But it is kind of eerie to hear the crickets chirping. > > > > :> > > Mari / Bridgette > > > > On 8/10/07, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >> Haven't seen any H-costume posts for a few days. Did everyone go on > >> vacation??? > >> > >> [I hope so. Have fun y'all!] > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 11 21:39:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C1d9Pf014738 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:39:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7C1d99P011877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7C1YdO4093949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C1YWhh094763; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:34:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C1YRUT094708 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 23178379-1928045 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:35:19 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [61.69.25.42]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8l) with ESMTP id 117110558-1928045 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:25:28 +1000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:33:48 +1000 From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Urgent question about 1927 outfit Thread-Index: AcfcgNRaEzflA0h0EdyKSwADk7ERAA== X-Priority: 1 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-ShareWhite: 61.69.25.42 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 9, in=18, out=0, spam=0 ip=61.69.25.42 X-Originating-IP: 61.69.25.42 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42827518-a8df-44b8-aa96-30f93af8bb8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46BE64BD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Dear All I've been invited to a 1927 ball and my most modern gown is 1890! I'm desperately trying to find out what a 35-year old mother of 4 would have worn - and I'm the 'hourglass nearly running out" figure (Size 16 up top and 2X at the hips, plus only 155cm tall)! Not 1927-ish at all!!! The only patterns in my collection are the Sensibility range (with titanic era dress and 1914/15 dress) and Wedding gown 304: http://www.pastpatterns.com/304.html Dress 502: http://www.pastpatterns.com/502.html I only have two weeks to make something so can't buy a new pattern. Please can anybody help me out of this dilemma? Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 11 22:14:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C2EXxe015720 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:14:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7C2EXCR010519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:14:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7C23tsV097001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C23plL012842; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:03:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C23lfN012755 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c22.1b538c64 (65097) for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:03:37 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11a374b9-f934-483c-91fa-a9820e162e0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46BE6D09.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:14:37 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/11/2007 9:35:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garden@netspeed.com.au writes: Please can anybody help me out of this dilemma? ***************** 20's gowns are structureless and you can make one in no time. The secret is finding a great fabric. I'd splurge on something beaded and sheer and make a simple silk slip with straps for underneath. I'd also forget any hip emphasis and do a draped sheath with no belt or pleats or that kind of thing at the hips. Do a straight sheath of some amazing fabric draped at low neck...a cowl dipping in back maybe? Hem it to just below the knee....maybe inset a bias diamond shaped godet on each side with the top point starting at the hip and the bottom just missing the floor. Something like that. Don't forget long beads, long earrings and a beaded fringed purse! I have a paper pattern from 1926 [a very small size] that I made up for a size 12 and it looked great. It's a sheath with 3 long very shallow darts coming from the side seams. They are parallel and about an inch apart and the upper one starts about waist level and goes to about bust point. The skirt is a circle and to just below the knee. It is attached at a low waist that dips in a rounded curve CF. A very lovely line especially with the circle skirt. I could fax you a drawing and diagram. It's very simple and you could no doubt figure it out. Check Butterick vintage patterns for a dress.... or something to rework how you like. Remember.... start with a killer fabric. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 11 23:00:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C30BI3017565 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:00:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7C30B7B025815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:00:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7C2uKC1003402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:56:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C2uHFe045303; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C2XD2T032018 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4C7134AA9 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:33:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-80.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-80.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.80]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:33:15 +1000 Message-ID: <1186885995.46be716b7f4c3@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:33:15 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11ec7600-f0d3-4dab-b911-aa6b8b4b5cb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46BE77BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Okay, let's look at it from a costume design point of view that, luckily, takes into account your existing 1910+ patterns: In 1927, a 34 year-old would have been teens and twenties around the time of the Titanic-era stuff you have and would have an affinity with that fashion. Grab some 1920 lingerie catalogues to get the underlying shape and adapt one of the patterns to that and your own shape; Add some fringe, lace, brooches and other jewels as required; and Fix your hair...most people will be looking at your head (sightlines in the room and, hell, that is the way you have conversations) so a period hairstyle will work wonders to get the look. I hope this helps at least to get it going, -C. > I've been invited to a 1927 ball> I'm desperately trying to find out what a 35-year old mother of 4 would have wornThe only > patterns in my collection are the Sensibility range (with titanic era dress > and 1914/15 dress) and ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 11 23:07:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C37vYw017947 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:07:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7C37vmk016810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7C37TPH005058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C37SPT051630; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:07:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C37Ocg051537 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:07:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 23103732-1928045 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:07:15 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [61.69.25.42]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8l) with ESMTP id 117143926-1928045 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:58:25 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1186885995.46be716b7f4c3@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <1186885995.46be716b7f4c3@webmail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7BE4371A-71DF-435B-8701-68678EC3641F@netspeed.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: A Gardiner-Garden Subject: Re: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:07:29 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-SpamDetect: : -3.000000 ShareWhite=-2.0, Aspam=-1.0 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-ShareWhite: 61.69.25.42 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 9, in=21, out=0, spam=0 ip=61.69.25.42 X-Originating-IP: 61.69.25.42 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aace2388-4232-4260-a694-0531f5cd763e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46BE798D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Titanic era is something that would suit my figure better so I'll try that. I've also got the old simplicity titanic patterns - can anyone remember the negatives from those? Wondering which will be quicker - Sensibility or the Simplicity. Cheers, and thanks, Aylwen On 12/08/2007, at 12:33 PM, stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: > Okay, let's look at it from a costume design point of view that, > luckily, > takes into account your existing 1910+ patterns: > > In 1927, a 34 year-old would have been teens and twenties around > the time of > the Titanic-era stuff you have and would have an affinity with that > fashion. > > Grab some 1920 lingerie catalogues to get the underlying shape and > adapt one > of the patterns to that and your own shape; > > Add some fringe, lace, brooches and other jewels as required; and > > Fix your hair...most people will be looking at your head > (sightlines in the > room and, hell, that is the way you have conversations) so a period > hairstyle > will work wonders to get the look. > > I hope this helps at least to get it going, > > -C. > > >> I've been invited to a 1927 ball> I'm desperately trying to find >> out what a > 35-year old mother of 4 would have wornThe only >> patterns in my collection are the Sensibility range (with titanic >> era dress >> and 1914/15 dress) and > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 11 23:09:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C39fv0018038 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:09:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7C39fYs023343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:09:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7C39MPg005464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C39Mhf052906; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7C39H6w052855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-137-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.137]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l7C39FwJ016037 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:09:16 +1000 Message-ID: <001c01c7dc8e$2a563cf0$89f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:09:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c8c110f-724b-4a49-9e25-672ca2fb1653 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46BE79F6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 12 12:58:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CGwXXp015594 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:58:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7CG0xOW022336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:01:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7CG0G6N011239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CG0FHU054838; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CG08Qx054701 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:00:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202DEFA471 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:00:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46BF2EA2.1090603@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:00:34 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vogue Tags/Label Was: Urgent question about 1927 outfit References: <001c01c7dc8e$2a563cf0$89f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be44f9eb-848a-42a9-8ddc-0e87720aedd3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46BF2EBB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 12 12:58:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CGwjcu015657 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:58:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7CFjb4c017310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:45:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7CFirDT007629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CFinr7040823; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CFijuK040699 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.23]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:44:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:44:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:44:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001c01c7dc8e$2a563cf0$89f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:44:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:44:42 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2007 15:44:40.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1D2BF00:01C7DCF7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vogue Tags/Label Was: Urgent question about 1927 outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a7fc816-d900-46c6-be81-d743269bcc2a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46BF2B22.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:45:41 -0400 (EDT) This link has a picture of the Vogue tag up in the left hand corner. = Anyone remember when you used to buy these patterns, they would give you = a really nice woven tag/label? Anyone know what happened to that = practice? Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Elizabeth Walpole=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit that reminds me Vogue has a late 1920s pattern=20 = http://www.voguepatterns.com/item/V2535.htm?tab=3Dout_of_print/vintage_vo= gue&page=3D1=20 it's marked out of print but if it's only recently out of print it = might=20 still be available here in the southern hemisphere. Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 12 17:11:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CLB37c009280 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:11:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7CLB3UV008834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:11:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7CL66xI067786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CL61tk015630; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CL5vSL015585 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 49BA53981A for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:05:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:06:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1186885995.46be716b7f4c3@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97321cc6-ac4c-4b8e-a0f1-f6fec09d0c75 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46BF7767.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Some extant garments for ideas. http://www.vintagetextile.com/1920s_to_1930s.htm If you click on the pictures, it will take you to a site with more details of the dress/item. more extants http://www.antiquedress.com/item6011.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4484.htm this would have a slip under it. :) http://www.antiquedress.com/item4447.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4492.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4702.htm De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 12 17:23:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CLNQFK009960 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:23:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7CLNQYd010877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7CLG8V4068824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CLG74E023649; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CLG4qd023604 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AE3AA39488 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:16:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:16:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1186885995.46be716b7f4c3@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea3505d5-0436-45a2-92bb-f0e12b7ac4af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46BF7A4E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Not necessarily there were those of well to do families that kept up with the fashions of the time. For the Titanic era you are looking at the 1910s, specifically 1912. There is at least seven years (if not more)of a fashion change, so I do not believe that she would be wearing something from the 1912s at a 1927 ball. De -----Original Message----- In 1927, a 34 year-old would have been teens and twenties around the time of the Titanic-era stuff you have and would have an affinity with that fashion. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 12 18:28:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CMSuTk012986 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:28:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7CMSuY4012963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:29:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7CLSWg9070796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CLSV2X033231; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7CLSRaw033116 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ce9.16cb2ad3 (32913) for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:28:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Urgent question about 1927 outfit To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 413a2bc0-e66a-4461-b63d-79e0488ac5f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46BF89A8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:29:00 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/12/2007 5:16:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: so I do not believe that she would be wearing something from the 1912's at a 1927 ball. ******************* Exactly! Especially considering the era. The style hasn't just changed...it's been exploded out of the water! It's a whole different philosophy. And to a ball? This is not the 1970's yet, y'know. In 1927 you wore a ball gown to a ball. Not a dinner gown or a tea gown. Society had dress codes then. Someone showing up in a 1912 gown to a 1927 ball would be asked if they thought it was a fancy dress ball, or why they were wearing their mother's gown. It certainly would have been talked about for weeks....maybe months. C'mon! There's a way to make every period look good on everyone. There's no need to substitute different periods! It's a fashionable affair for 1927. Do a fashionable dress for 1927! You'll look great! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 12 22:30:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7D2UnCo028977 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:30:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7D2Unqq000509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:30:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7D2QA8J008568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7D2Q5tN044084; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7D2Q2fc044039 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 992F13FAA5 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:26:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:26:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1920s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f53d4bf-588c-4ae4-9820-cf2d99857576 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46BFC259.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:07:06 -0400 (EDT) I had reason to re-find this site recently, and thought I'd finally get = around to sharing it: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/ These are _color_ photographs (not colorized, but actual color) from the = first 2 decades of the 20th century, and--ob. costume content--show some = amazing ethnic & Edwardian era clothing. =20 To look through them all rather than just selections, try this link: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/p?pp/prok:@field(NUMBER+prok)::SortBy= =3DCALL though it may expire. If it doesn't work, from the main page click = "Search the entire collection" then "preview: all the images." Worth = it.=20 -E=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 05:11:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7D9BiB5019781 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:11:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7D9BiIv029948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:11:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7D9AwZl066839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7D9Ativ085833; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7D9ApvJ085712 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c6d.13b54a83 (65099) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:10:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:10:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d3e91d4-cac6-4e8d-aa6e-a405a3c593d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C02050.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:11:48 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/13/2007 4:07:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, swissgirl@swissinfo.org writes: I had reason to re-find this site recently, and thought I'd finally get around to sharing it: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/ These are _color_ photographs (not colorized, but actual color) from the first 2 decades of the 20th century, and--ob. costume content--show some amazing ethnic & Edwardian era clothing. Wow--a blast from the past! I actually saw many of these photos on exhibit at the LOC when I went to do research in the late 1980s. You're right--they are amazing. Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 07:14:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DBDxvh008834 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:13:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DBDxIs004199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:14:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DBDGJs082537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:13:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DBCiUJ089898; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7D4wF8O061086 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2007081304580901100lk947e>; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:58:09 +0000 Message-ID: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:59:54 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] It's time for Japanese... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 12c86804-4d32-4377-8d25-3ed730002a80 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C03CF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:14:03 -0400 (EDT) At the beginning of September, PEERS (our local vintage dance society) is doing "The Mikado Ball: A Topsy-Turvy Event" and (since we have other events that need it too) I'm doing some Japanese costume for it. I'm looking for some good resources on Japanese clothes to help me along the way. Here's what I've already got: Folkwear 151: Japanese Hakama and Kataginu John Marshall's _Make Your Own Japanese Clothes_ Jenni Dobson's _Making Kimono and Japanese Clothes_ Norio Yamanaka's _The Book of Kimono_ _A Step to Kimono and Kumihimo_ (no author credited, Kyoto Kimono Gakuin) Alan Kennedy's _Japanese Costume: History and Tradition_ (and a few other things) I've also got a few websites bookmarked at So at this point I'm likely doing Edo period costume; the patterns and books I have are sufficient for that. Does anybody have better resources on earlier Japanese costume, say Heian and Kamakura styles? andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 09:22:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DDMv9l026105 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:22:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DDMu8v031169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DDGZbl005583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DDGVP0008551; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DDGSK4008505 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.222.243]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMP00AWLRGRMMJA@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:16:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:14:52 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] It's time for Japanese... To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0df49d0e-0a5b-4741-b395-75d8ed201ec8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C05B31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:23:01 -0400 (EDT) andy wrote: Does anybody have better resources > on earlier Japanese costume, say Heian and Kamakura styles? There's a great new book: Kure, Mitsuo, _Samurai: Arms, Armor, Costume_, Chartwell Books, London, UK, 2007, ISBN: 0785822089, ISBN-13: 9780785822080 It lists for $19.99US, but lots of places have it cheaper; I got my copy for around $12. Most of the costumes depicted are pre-Edo, and each is given at least four pages of pictures, text, and diagrams. Costumes are shown from different angles, and in various stages of assembly. There are much more of the mens' costumes than the womens', and lots of armor. The text is very entertaining. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 09:44:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DDifX2027125 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:44:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DDidKZ012791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:44:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DDiDmR010659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:44:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DDiBEw038835; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [63.240.77.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DDi7nf038663 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allison@aristotle.net) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-68-47-136-10.hsd1.ar.comcast.net[68.47.136.10]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2007081313440101500pij5be>; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:44:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <741744BE-D3A8-4623-B4FB-C6F8E089A546@aristotle.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Allison Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:43:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5760ca1-1585-4af0-bb6c-d4a6ef2efc59 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C06047.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Once again I need expert advice for a theatrical production. For Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (circa 1954), I need to make a removable old-style plaster leg cast (knee to toes) that our actor can wear for about 15 performances. I've got a couple of ideas, but would like to hear from you guys before I proceed...things always seem to go better after they've been tweaked and advised by the members of this list! Tia, Allison P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 10:34:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DEYkIm029203 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:34:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DEYd14015608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:34:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DEXZp9022659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:33:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DEXSRv096009; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DEXN4f095825 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1255059wxc for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l3eqS5M6lXj3lT8+ocXYbq6wVqqLPEiix6ZPxKTMQqyRG298HGLZc/YsBcYWF2Et9GT3688eiyra0wqyL+rXyumAy7+tj25oT2jQ9xy+v15rnYWvfBlspcGtES58shmQj3FTXovEdMqQM1BbQ0bWcMt5xac70jFCaRsceHTtHOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SpUMqT6t0V+e/m5asL7QzvdCGBB0H5OEQdZIrrgPp35syc/PbUsJCiGAsQHoZ9qeT/31VAjUtIeH9xRL4ECxn+igtPFS/ng+POdeZnMzCO32EpsW5nQZpYzGLsOlBvGt2Xp9CmNNkkmF6KzXowxJa5g5hXufyw4OCcLahewsxvY= Received: by 10.70.87.9 with SMTP id k9mr10427887wxb.1187015593042; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.28.18 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <475bc2c50708130733s384c6b14ud36d25b03fccb424@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:33:12 -0500 From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] It's time for Japanese... In-Reply-To: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 75eb91bd-1302-4e70-a48d-c6f6925f28a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C06BFF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:34:50 -0400 (EDT) There is a lady in Houston that can definitely help you with this. However she is not on this mailing list. If you are interested please send me an email and I will get the two of you together on this. She is Japanese. Chiara On 8/12/07, Andrew Trembley wrote: > > At the beginning of September, PEERS (our local vintage dance society) > is doing "The Mikado Ball: A Topsy-Turvy Event" and (since we have other > events that need it too) I'm doing some Japanese costume for it. > > I'm looking for some good resources on Japanese clothes to help me along > the way. > > Here's what I've already got: > Folkwear 151: Japanese Hakama and Kataginu > John Marshall's _Make Your Own Japanese Clothes_ > Jenni Dobson's _Making Kimono and Japanese Clothes_ > Norio Yamanaka's _The Book of Kimono_ > _A Step to Kimono and Kumihimo_ (no author credited, Kyoto Kimono Gakuin) > Alan Kennedy's _Japanese Costume: History and Tradition_ > (and a few other things) > > I've also got a few websites bookmarked at > > > So at this point I'm likely doing Edo period costume; the patterns and > books I have are sufficient for that. Does anybody have better resources > on earlier Japanese costume, say Heian and Kamakura styles? > > andy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 11:14:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DFENi9030839 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:14:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DFEMLk028470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:14:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DFDgap031005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:13:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DFDemC043764; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DFDZqL043577 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.27]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:13:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:13:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:13:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:13:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:13:35 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2007 15:13:30.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[81A1C040:01C7DDBC] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7231eea-bbb2-492d-a3ca-78eec4fd408c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C0754F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Gosh I don't think these are OT at all! Fabulous! Do you think it is = wrong to assume that most of the materials and sewing at this point = "over there" were still hand made? Just looking at the "hut" in the = Profile of a Nomad - the precision is so incredible. I feel like it is = a peek back into time as to how incredibly talented human beings can be = with just hand tools. Thanks! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 11:25:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DFPH3Z031284 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:25:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DFPIvF004482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:25:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DFGBem031472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DFG9rY046698; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DFG5VH046529 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.15]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:16:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:16:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:15:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00de01c7dd7e$17cf5530$0c00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:16:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:16:05 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2007 15:16:00.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB0C3930:01C7DDBC] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e75156a-e58c-462b-b50d-b5c019f6de8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C077DE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Anyone have a clue what the cartridge like things are on some of the = men's costume? - = http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_7010__01477_.jpg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: E House=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography I had reason to re-find this site recently, and thought I'd finally = get around to sharing it: = http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/ These are _color_ photographs (not colorized, but actual color) from = the first 2 decades of the 20th century, and--ob. costume content--show = some amazing ethnic & Edwardian era clothing. =20 To look through them all rather than just selections, try this link: = http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/p?pp/prok:@field(NUMBER+prok)::SortBy= =3DCALL though it may expire. If it doesn't work, from the main page click = "Search the entire collection" then "preview: all the images." Worth = it.=20 -E=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 12:09:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DG9JCY000806 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DG9IXT028900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DG0QOm041112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DG0FVN003337; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DG08ZL003156 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:00:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.4.97] Received: from [75.46.4.97] (adsl-75-46-4-97.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.4.97]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7DFxpg8017733 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:59:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <72adc2660708110545p8876b1ay75c7308306e4a74a@mail.gmail.com> References: <004701c7dbcb$cdb00f20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> <72adc2660708110545p8876b1ay75c7308306e4a74a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:00:05 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c74783c2-5560-46ed-a664-1fe0b1aa21b9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C0822E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT) I took a wonderful class on how to make 16th-century thread-wrapped buttons. I've been wanting to learn how to make these for a long time and even have a book with some instructions, but I never sat down and did it. Now I know the basics and can start on a set of buttons for the doublet I'm embroidering. Even better, making thread- wrapped buttons is a small and very portable project. The Arts display was fab, Monica--congrats! Definitely too much rain. When not raining, too much heat and humidity! But I had a great time all the same. Melanie Schuessler On Aug 11, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Marie Stewart wrote: > For those of us Pennsic Starved... tell, tell, tell... Of course, on > topic things... :> > Mari / Bridgette > > On 8/10/07, monica spence wrote: >> We are home early. Classes taught, Arts displayed. Too much rain! >> Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 12:23:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGNVc0001464 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:23:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DGNV23022050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DGIZHg044735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGIUfi025903; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGI45I025296 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1187021789-3bdb000b0000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 1712F47FE4B for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:16:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id sm3enHrYCU2eGeFF for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:16:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8005A8114 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:16:29 +0200 Message-ID: <00ea01c7ddc5$6e889890$0c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00de01c7dd7e$17cf5530$0c00a8c0@compaqub> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:17:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1187021789 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7151614-0671-40a9-a74c-14bd9ac3ec6c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C08583.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:23:35 -0400 (EDT) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" << Anyone have a clue what the cartridge like things are on some of the men's costume? - http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_7010__01477_.jpg >> Do you mean the pleats, or the shells? =} I'm pretty sure they are actually wearing amunition--I'd guess this guy is a cossack, known for their military prowess. Those things look like muzzle-loading paper cartridges: http://cartridgecollectors.org/slics2006/whitworth.jpg http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/c0034.html or much less likely, cleaner bullets: http://www.fototime.com/F3B7ACC989A3679/orig.jpg They would have been a good 50 years or so out of date at the time of this photo, but still used in areas like this. -E House (Mmm, a handy dandy pocket-sized time machine, like I always wanted!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 12:32:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGWgeN001894 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:32:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DGWgmc005184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:32:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DGVmo2047512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGVkCv042634; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGVfZD042541 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2040638waf for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QOePkrQkLrSfGB+dvlTHkS5tQupJmM0BJZAuTHN9in4ycUn5Xrbp6kaB6H8DEXUDGmeWBMPwHOTCcmCKY7u4BiWkTP+Whix75Cxk9iZiYeUw5Ns0/ASXoAVfBzB+p1pwSagV9JIUFdwMKehRShSU8/D2cKELnOpSB5HmIAugwkM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D9lU+Rni4f0ADJDKZuRwgJ+/7ngNbQfZGEeG5WovqvnmxsAr14562a6c8uWJDz3jc5hG5BJ/t0m7SyGDtKNm3JzzJI6wCZp/2KSeeMjF+eV7m9lNVnzBm15u576YlhmQpCmaG812FByFARdRk26gZzEPD4IBMLCtFykMx6HV7Ws= Received: by 10.114.158.1 with SMTP id g1mr2177122wae.1187022700908; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.92.10 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070708130931l36c79097l46f06b00cfca7060@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:31:40 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography In-Reply-To: <00de01c7dd7e$17cf5530$0c00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00de01c7dd7e$17cf5530$0c00a8c0@compaqub> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f59edcb-2f5e-4849-9dea-a56c49a39c98 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C087AA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Ooh, I like the pictures of the austro-hungarian prisoners of war http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_2067__00279_.jpg --my Austian Grandfather was one for most of the war. He wrote a book about his experiences (but it was never published). It's nice to see what they might have worn. He was an officer, but disguised himself as an enlisted man after the revolution in order to be set free and not shot! Katy On 8/13/07, E House wrote: > I had reason to re-find this site recently, and thought I'd finally get around to sharing it: > http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/ > These are _color_ photographs (not colorized, but actual color) from the first 2 decades of the 20th century, and--ob. costume content--show some amazing ethnic & Edwardian era clothing. > > To look through them all rather than just selections, try this link: > http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/p?pp/prok:@field(NUMBER+prok)::SortBy=CALL > though it may expire. If it doesn't work, from the main page click "Search the entire collection" then "preview: all the images." Worth it. > > -E > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 12:59:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGx9sb003204 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:59:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DGx8hn004211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DGsBw6052251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:54:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGs86d070717; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DGrwMP070499 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:54:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 823AC39AF9 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:53:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Just a test Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:54:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b5f4fc6-4c67-4d90-8d1e-2bc192458415 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C08DDD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 13:15:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DHFSHY003804 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:15:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DHFRxf010027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DH8pAL055154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DH8gGI089041; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DH8Xc4088860 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so574268nfd for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:08:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hk5OSNV6DISpZYjnoMDC7u9I9uPYAMScU3Ty05Y1MIVNE7ej1tPnHFUqgR2+nLoboMDDJnXuFUeu29nLqUQFXcxmloDbQJi988cTpvSgQxhiujsM0l26X0JPgsMG9akDt+85oSAa3dJfqVKklul6uCMgoid3bP200y17OGkDMlk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R5+mZyTcJgFKhLEJrDyo+O0rX+g9JGZlMcjI0W0ee66YjJ8Y9xbomZMOzr2bM8S7KM0HyZxtqnz2iJTr33NqgzygBPXQiC2RlBAPJViBe2CSnBt4wI+bnWRlWrLthVOP/tbUtVENvEn+hDNdFgo/DS7xZCmYdIFRjcgDy3AeBGc= Received: by 10.82.126.5 with SMTP id y5mr8549370buc.1187024909084; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.179.12 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660708131008m2d2d7f56y93825940c1c361b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:08:29 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004701c7dbcb$cdb00f20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> <72adc2660708110545p8876b1ay75c7308306e4a74a@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e66bf74c-fc76-4120-9fcf-3c7df92e6407 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C091AF.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:15:32 -0400 (EDT) ooh, question for you. Did they happen to address how to splice in a thread if your original length of thread was too short? I've always made my buttons with exceedingly long lengths of thread for fear of not being able to figure out how to add more thread. Thanks, and good to have you "home" safe. Mari / Bridgette. On 8/13/07, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I took a wonderful class on how to make 16th-century thread-wrapped > buttons. I've been wanting to learn how to make these for a long > time and even have a book with some instructions, but I never sat > down and did it. Now I know the basics and can start on a set of > buttons for the doublet I'm embroidering. Even better, making thread- > wrapped buttons is a small and very portable project. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 13:30:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DHU9SN004443 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:30:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DHU9JW025590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:30:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DHSH93059356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DHSDPv013888; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DHS8BG013681 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JMQ00KU636KHE30@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:27:47 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Just a test In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0e25895-6a1e-4eb8-84d0-ae18b952ac17 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C09521.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Thanks Melanie! Yes definitely too much rain-- plus it felt like a sauna. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test I took a wonderful class on how to make 16th-century thread-wrapped buttons. I've been wanting to learn how to make these for a long time and even have a book with some instructions, but I never sat down and did it. Now I know the basics and can start on a set of buttons for the doublet I'm embroidering. Even better, making thread- wrapped buttons is a small and very portable project. The Arts display was fab, Monica--congrats! Definitely too much rain. When not raining, too much heat and humidity! But I had a great time all the same. Melanie Schuessler On Aug 11, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Marie Stewart wrote: > For those of us Pennsic Starved... tell, tell, tell... Of course, on > topic things... :> > Mari / Bridgette > > On 8/10/07, monica spence wrote: >> We are home early. Classes taught, Arts displayed. Too much rain! >> Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 13:32:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DHWpcr004581 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DHWoht016963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DHWMsc060241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DHWJXa019008; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:32:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.49]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7DHWBl8018761 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 29503 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 17:32:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fU0DUoeK7F/WD42U7Vdq6d+SuZj1GpyyFRBOl4nw4jEGa6mcy7nDgs0Pvk2NOCT4aA/YxGhXNffE3KKA+qU6gDa8lgNdAfL6wX7Uc2MsczM3RCv41vbOdXjMaSG+heWHXv4PP3o5vP0jduS+z7uGdMb67dnLUEXzg5wmAx1af/8=; X-YMail-OSG: iMp3lBwVM1mdsXeGD78GKh3wfKLfd2Puv400B.a3optpG.ISVvrDNNx7JDUDE9hr3mhV66DPY8K9wpWx17.V_e9Tn4GZ4olSDw-- Received: from [87.244.91.126] by web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:32:05 BST Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:32:05 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00ea01c7ddc5$6e889890$0c00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <652222.29081.qm@web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: baf3dba3-8518-40d6-876a-184963ca03e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C095C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:55 -0400 (EDT) IMHO, the couple ARE Cossacks, - and - from what I can distinguish of the medal ribbons - the man appears to be wearing several Czarist/Imperial-Russian medals on his tunic's right breast. The Cross would likely be an Award for Valour. SFAIK, the objects in question are indeed containers of some kind for rifle/carbine ammunition, possibly for the M1870 "Berdan II" or "Berdanka" rifle - or more likely the cavalry carbine version - which continued in Czarist Service through the Russo-Turkish War, even after the issue of the Mosin-Nagant to front-line Infantry units beginning around 1891. In fact it continued to be issued to Reserve Units up-to, - and during WW2. Numbers of surplus Berdan I's & II's were sold-off as hunting arms. According to my copy of "Small Arms Of The World", - a special cartridge was manufactured for use in the Czarist Berdanka cavalry carbine. It consisted of the same cartridge case and bullet used in the Berdan I and Berdan II rifles, but with a lighter powder charge of only 4.5 grams, and was issued in six round pink paper packets. As late as the Cyprus Emergency in the mid-to-late1950's, the British Forces were occasionally still finding [and confiscating] working, and well-used, early [i.e. mid-to-late 19th C], breechloading long-arms during anti-EOKA-terrorist operations in the mountain villages. J.W. E House wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" << Anyone have a clue what the cartridge like things are on some of the men's costume? - http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_7010__01477_.jpg >> Do you mean the pleats, or the shells? =} I'm pretty sure they are actually wearing amunition--I'd guess this guy is a cossack, known for their military prowess. Those things look like muzzle-loading paper cartridges: http://cartridgecollectors.org/slics2006/whitworth.jpg http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/c0034.html or much less likely, cleaner bullets: http://www.fototime.com/F3B7ACC989A3679/orig.jpg They would have been a good 50 years or so out of date at the time of this photo, but still used in areas like this. -E House (Mmm, a handy dandy pocket-sized time machine, like I always wanted!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 14:49:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DIn3ux007475 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:49:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DIn3fw014637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:49:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DImDor075391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DIm5RD014343; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7DIm0xp014048 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 72316 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 18:47:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CQYUY5dsB98siF+CnkCzn6XLfwhkNqSx34YalP2xQ9wC3H8k2icvJDP5KKZuiCq1VQ+NiHfh2m2AUzBLECmyGjZOs7J9Gjw86FVCviUGbK4aegp9FynThO0tIkdZk+HEhYGGUyRBfcxReAqvY3Jqfa359Nbjm4y6jt58hmylC1A=; X-YMail-OSG: EbnUsN8VM1mR5nsWEopPuiv74w.4sSw_QuSTCnt9HIXS_AQXCkn4yMHmGyYEEWsqdsSCGBVPZPIg6KzDrdKqbZ5r7On6E4P04u3eXbTa9d0gbkVG3FCQK7FnLjM- Received: from [87.244.91.126] by web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:47:45 BST Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:47:45 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography - Cossack Couple To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00ea01c7ddc5$6e889890$0c00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <234002.71999.qm@web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be86a9cc-40ee-4240-babd-acd93983c295 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C0A79F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Further to my last posting, concerning the Cossack's breast-pocket-carried ammunition, - the Bravery Award worn by this Cossack appears to be either the Order of St. George, 4th Class [a white enamelled Cross worn as a breast badge] - or The Cross of Saint George, either 3rd or 4th Class [ a silver cross worn as a breast badge]. on ribbons of the Romanov House Colours. The most likely, - because of the numbers awarded - is the latter - associated with the most-prestigious Order of Saint George, but for enlisted men and NCO's, the Cross of Saint George came in 4 classes. Like the Order of St. George, the St. George Cross was awarded for acts of distinction under arms. An enlisted man or NCO would be awarded the 4th Class Cross for his first brave act. A second notable act could then bring him the 3rd Class Cross, etc. The first class and second class were in gold, the first class with a bow on the ribbon. The third and fourth classes were in silver, the third class marked by a bow. The ribbon was the same as for the Order of Saint George, black stripes upon an orange ground ; - the Colours of the House of Romanov I hope this info. will be of interest to someone on the List. Regards, J.W. E House wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" << Anyone have a clue what the cartridge like things are on some of the men's costume? - http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_7010__01477_.jpg >> Do you mean the pleats, or the shells? =} I'm pretty sure they are actually wearing amunition--I'd guess this guy is a cossack, known for their military prowess. Those things look like muzzle-loading paper cartridges: http://cartridgecollectors.org/slics2006/whitworth.jpg http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/c0034.html or much less likely, cleaner bullets: http://www.fototime.com/F3B7ACC989A3679/orig.jpg They would have been a good 50 years or so out of date at the time of this photo, but still used in areas like this. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 15:59:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DJxTYJ009874 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:59:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DJxTeZ017872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:59:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DJwrSG089752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DJwmcE004832; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DJwhW6004589 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:58:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.4.97] Received: from [75.46.4.97] (adsl-75-46-4-97.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.4.97]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7DJwJVY005865 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:58:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <72adc2660708131008m2d2d7f56y93825940c1c361b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <004701c7dbcb$cdb00f20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> <72adc2660708110545p8876b1ay75c7308306e4a74a@mail.gmail.com> <72adc2660708131008m2d2d7f56y93825940c1c361b4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:58:34 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92e0b5f0-e277-4a18-b1b8-f7d8a0a7ba32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C0B821.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Yes. For the most part, the teacher recommended taking the end of the first thread under whatever is already wrapped around the core and out the bottom, where you've already got thread tails. Clip it to the length of the existing tails. Then take the new thread and snake it up from the bottom underneath the already-wrapped bits to continue at the same spot, leaving a tail of that thread hanging out at the bottom as well. It seemed to work fine with the designs we were doing, though it got a tiny bit bulky on one of them--probably practice will improve things! Melanie On Aug 13, 2007, at 1:08 PM, Marie Stewart wrote: > ooh, question for you. > > Did they happen to address how to splice in a thread if your original > length of thread was too short? I've always made my buttons with > exceedingly long lengths of thread for fear of not being able to > figure out how to add more thread. > > Thanks, > and good to have you "home" safe. > Mari / Bridgette. > > On 8/13/07, Melanie Schuessler wrote: >> I took a wonderful class on how to make 16th-century thread-wrapped >> buttons. I've been wanting to learn how to make these for a long >> time and even have a book with some instructions, but I never sat >> down and did it. Now I know the basics and can start on a set of >> buttons for the doublet I'm embroidering. Even better, making >> thread- >> wrapped buttons is a small and very portable project. >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 16:08:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DK817P010167 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:08:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DK81RX032080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:08:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DK2Ls3091054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DK2Kke009513; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DK2Gxe009447 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so1643505fkq for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:02:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IiQp3m2luFQmq8zzFfaUp+fE4wQ2IdXgjwuMRNqm3X6SP8yzBaLDyovK6Tv8SOk3qehkafLt2CsHxjAdkaXVdZ/0IrbkdDDvJPOWTlFslDevIw9kraqm0qypkTJYcbYUczXSvA3FtjefEfblHViusxvhP9frH8DILiVRywUT24g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HAWynS1vUx8d1izI7xWl4sZQDocDO/LNzA+30c6KysttfvMUCzch6IzUG+w0NA8/6VA9UQjkXsCRBKS6SX6lP+7h9fs8oLLD4ymvbyY/jhIfSvQDiDpYkpVtjUhPGtKWvtc8gUPvYzSwFDvZKp15Bi+iBlP5vAi4giIA49UteCE= Received: by 10.82.127.14 with SMTP id z14mr8870340buc.1187035333537; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.179.12 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660708131302y368d0961o6eeaecf344fc22f4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:02:13 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Just a test In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004701c7dbcb$cdb00f20$6501a8c0@TheBeast> <72adc2660708110545p8876b1ay75c7308306e4a74a@mail.gmail.com> <72adc2660708131008m2d2d7f56y93825940c1c361b4@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50750d6e-fc85-4c26-899c-c2a65300ef9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C0BA21.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:08:05 -0400 (EDT) thanks!! That is very helpful. Mari / Bridgette On 8/13/07, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Yes. For the most part, the teacher recommended taking the end of > the first thread under whatever is already wrapped around the core > and out the bottom, where you've already got thread tails. Clip it > to the length of the existing tails. Then take the new thread and > snake it up from the bottom underneath the already-wrapped bits to > continue at the same spot, leaving a tail of that thread hanging out > at the bottom as well. It seemed to work fine with the designs we > were doing, though it got a tiny bit bulky on one of them--probably > practice will improve things! > > Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 17:06:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DL6u3p012046 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:06:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DL6s6n017267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:07:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DL0A1H003117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:00:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DL07Ye082239; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DL04XF082076 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BAY106-W8 ([65.54.161.108]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:59:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.59.130.27] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:59:59 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2007 20:59:59.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[E918B780:01C7DDEC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe252200-caf2-45e6-9d8f-7eac40ec075a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C0C7EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:07:00 -0400 (EDT) My first thought would be to go the direct route--call some orthopedic offi= ces and ask if you can have an old leg cast they've removed. Yes, they use= weird colors now, but a can of white spray paint should fix that. You cou= ld tape up one side that's been sawn open, and use velcro on the other to g= et it on and off.LuAnn> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com> From: allison@aristot= le.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:43:21 -0500> Subject: [h-cost] How do I m= ake a removable leg cast?> > Once again I need expert advice for a theatric= al production. For Cat > on a Hot Tin Roof (circa 1954), I need to make a= removable old-style > plaster leg cast (knee to toes) that our actor can = wear for about 15 > performances. I've got a couple of ideas, but would li= ke to hear from > you guys before I proceed...things always seem to go bet= ter after > they've been tweaked and advised by the members of this list!>= > Tia,> > Allison P> _______________________________________________> h-co= stume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman= /listinfo/h-costume= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 17:39:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLd7NX013183 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:39:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DLd7uL022238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DLXsiT009334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLXo3R020388; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7DLXjVe020162 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 80752 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 21:33:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XI9ssxoVM1kTESZcCYSQskhv4USN7sOdGa0._TOwZjKGWnNBMWUjdqNdCwesgw4MABU27nLPG65GA0govXWpaqfinGYfxmeAPtINu9XvuVajYpxdzA-- Received: from [81.152.19.111] by web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:33:40 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: RE: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <473793.78580.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db657b62-aefa-4df2-8cfb-bb5a9e6a84b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C0CF7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:39:11 -0400 (EDT) That might not be the best idea... by the time those things come off, they often stink to high heaven. I recall one night many years ago when I placed my broken hand near my face while sleeping and the stench woke me up. ;-) LuAnn Mason wrote: My first thought would be to go the direct route--call some orthopedic offices and ask if you can have an old leg cast they've removed. Yes, they use weird colors now, but a can of white spray paint should fix that. You could tape up one side that's been sawn open, and use velcro on the other to get it on and off.LuAnn> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com> From: allison@aristotle.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:43:21 -0500> Subject: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast?> > Once again I need expert advice for a theatrical production. For Cat > on a Hot Tin Roof (circa 1954), I need to make a removable old-style > plaster leg cast (knee to toes) that our actor can wear for about 15 > performances. I've got a couple of ideas, but would like to hear from > you guys before I proceed...things always seem to go better after > they've been tweaked and advised by the members of this list!> > Tia,> > Allison P> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 17:46:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLk2cf013387 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:46:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DLk2tP013835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:46:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DLjcNS011467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:45:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLjblR033334; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLjVjw033195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7DLlYCd011286 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:47:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46C0D0FA.5050401@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:45:30 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? References: <473793.78580.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <473793.78580.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23e6b53b-cc1d-49f1-9b2a-1473eb1733bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C0D11A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Beteena Paradise wrote: > That might not be the best idea... by the time those things come off, they often stink to high heaven. I recall one night many years ago when I placed my broken hand near my face while sleeping and the stench woke me up. ;-) > > LuAnn Mason wrote: My first thought would be to go the direct route--call some orthopedic offices and ask if you can have an old leg cast they've removed. Second option: make one yourself. Securing the plaster-fabric probably would be fairly easy. Then all you need is someone with the right tool to saw it off after it had hardned -- or carefully make it with seams that just barely don't meet, so you can do it with regular scissors or something like that. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 17:53:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLreRg013667 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DLre4q026917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DLhUYt011115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLhQUe030857; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLhMBQ030733 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.146] (sjs-130-65-37-146.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.146]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DLhHrO024647 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:43:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3160C41C-4CC2-4469-8F78-6E4A2461CB9E@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] It's time for Japanese... Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:43:11 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4dcb9a25-4f07-45f7-bb86-09def77b7080 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C0D2E4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:44 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 13, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Helen Pinto wrote: > andy wrote: > Does anybody have better resources >> on earlier Japanese costume, say Heian and Kamakura styles? > > There's a great new book: > > Kure, Mitsuo, _Samurai: Arms, Armor, Costume_, Chartwell Books, > London, UK, 2007, ISBN: 0785822089, ISBN-13: 9780785822080 > > It lists for $19.99US, but lots of places have it cheaper; I got my > copy for > around $12. Most of the costumes depicted are pre-Edo, and each is > given at least four pages of pictures, text, and diagrams. > Costumes are > shown from different angles, and in various stages of assembly. > There are > much more of the mens' costumes than the womens', and lots of armor. > The text is very entertaining. Thank you, this is exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for (menswear is often an afterthought in so many costume books). andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 18:07:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM7Rs0014139 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:07:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DM7Qot009389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:07:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DM6fB2015151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM6aBP056760; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DKfck3058923 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.4.97] Received: from [75.46.4.97] (adsl-75-46-4-97.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.4.97]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7DKfDA9002507 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:41:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <621E84ED-F6FB-42BB-860A-234D78F9F820@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:41:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7418bc05-a65c-494c-a7db-3ed61c233810 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C0D61E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Ooh. I'm not much of a camper, but I've already got plans for next time to make things a bit better. I'll add that to the list. On a costume note, I would like to once again put in a vote for linen over cotton as being the coolest thing around when it's ghastly hot. I could definitely tell the difference between my old cotton chemises and my new linen ones! And my new kirtles are all linen as well, thank goodness. Also, though I haven't put it through the wash a bunch of times yet, I have hopes for my new linen shirt, which has a ruffle at the top of the collar. My old cotton one turns into a bunch of tiny crinkles every time I wash it, and I have to iron it out and spray-starch it to get it to behave nicely. Note that these are not starched ruffs in the formal figure eights, just small ruffles. The new linen one is cut with the long edge of the ruffle on the long grain of the fabric (parallel to the selvedge), which is what Arnold noted in her study of existing 17th-century ruffs. Even in the horrifying heat and humidity--I think I got wet in the rain, too--that ruffle stayed nice and sproingy (that's a technical term). Even though it will soften with repeated washings, I think the relative stiffness of the linen and the strength of the grain will help hold it out better than the cotton one. Melanie Schuessler On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:54 PM, otsisto wrote: > Small note for the future. Coleman makes battery operated tent > ceiling fans. > :) > > -----Original Message----- > Definitely too much rain. When not raining, too much heat and > humidity! But I had a great time all the same. > > Melanie Schuessler > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 18:07:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM7pEV014148 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:07:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DM7p47012042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:07:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DM7Kbm015288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM7Ihh057575; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DLevDw028020 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1187041252-3f50005e0000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 09F4F495A89 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id XXSKQX6OOZi3xsc9 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8005B39C9 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:40:52 +0200 Message-ID: <010001c7ddf2$bf56cf30$0c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <234002.71999.qm@web23108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography - Cossack Couple Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography - Cossack Couple Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:41:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1187041252 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3a38582-d2f6-4ab3-ac2c-c83841ba101d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C0D637.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Thanks, Julian! Mine were just semi-educated guesses--it's nice to see them confirmed. -E House (certifiable gun & obsolete technology nut) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 18:09:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM9kr3014194 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:09:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DM9j4J031528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:09:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DM97Ob015615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM940u059466; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM0Nqq049934 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1393993254 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:00:22 -0500 Message-ID: <02c301c7ddf5$56f6cf50$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0aa849a6-753e-4bb5-aab4-83eeff184197 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C0D6AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:09:50 -0400 (EDT) My first thought would be to go the direct route--call some orthopedic offices and ask if you can have an old leg cast they've removed. --------------- OH YUCK!! 6 weeks' (or more) worth of dead skin cells and dried sweat. Please don't go there. Get some plaster rolls from a hobby shop and make one to fit the actor. Wrap it with sheet cotton first to make it less form fitting and as a cushion. Use a dremel tool to cut it off and some velcro to make it re-usable. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 18:11:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DMBhHj014238 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:11:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DMBhZO016050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:11:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DM9dH1015759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM9bRK060132; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM8j9o058935 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA912FA90A for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:08:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46C0D690.6040600@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:09:20 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? References: <473793.78580.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <46C0D0FA.5050401@thibault.org> In-Reply-To: <46C0D0FA.5050401@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e30eb19e-67aa-459d-947e-54fcffb36cae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C0D71F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Second option: make one yourself. Securing the plaster-fabric probably > would be fairly easy. Then all you need is someone with the right tool > to saw it off after it had hardned -- or carefully make it with seams > that just barely don't meet, so you can do it with regular scissors or > something like that. This seems like one of those times paper-mache' would be perfect. It's cheap and lightweight, and you can probably figure out some kind of cloth hinge and closure for it. You might even make two, just in case you need a replacement halfway through the run. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 18:13:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DMDuK2014326 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:13:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DMDsuu015697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:13:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DM3n5R014591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM3js8053682; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DM3eVk053584 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1416197659 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <02de01c7ddf5$c9bcad20$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61dd7174-144d-40e0-8201-257672322166 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C0D7A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:14:00 -0400 (EDT) > Get some plaster rolls from a hobby shop and make one to fit the actor. > Wrap > it with sheet cotton first to make it less form fitting and as a cushion. > Use a dremel tool to cut it off and some velcro to make it re-usable. I meant to include this link as an example of the product I referred to: http://www.dickblick.com/zz335/05/ Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 19:26:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DNQjvN016422 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:26:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DNQjFw023966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:26:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DNK9Op026268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DNK1Mw032995; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:20:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DNJvdr032844 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:19:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.18]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:19:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:19:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:19:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <621E84ED-F6FB-42BB-860A-234D78F9F820@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:19:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:19:58 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2007 23:19:51.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[72DEF890:01C7DE00] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43976859-b1c5-4f77-a7a2-732e97add3d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C0E8B5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:26:49 -0400 (EDT) I bet you are right. I noticed in hanging linen (huge lengths of it) = out on the line in the AZ heat that it dries very quickly, a little = stiffly and needs almost no ironing. Very cool fabric (no pun intended!) Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Melanie Schuessler=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test Ooh. I'm not much of a camper, but I've already got plans for next =20 time to make things a bit better. I'll add that to the list. On a costume note, I would like to once again put in a vote for linen = over cotton as being the coolest thing around when it's ghastly hot. = I could definitely tell the difference between my old cotton chemises = and my new linen ones! And my new kirtles are all linen as well, =20 thank goodness. Also, though I haven't put it through the wash a bunch of times yet, =20 I have hopes for my new linen shirt, which has a ruffle at the top of = the collar. My old cotton one turns into a bunch of tiny crinkles =20 every time I wash it, and I have to iron it out and spray-starch it =20 to get it to behave nicely. Note that these are not starched ruffs =20 in the formal figure eights, just small ruffles. The new linen one =20 is cut with the long edge of the ruffle on the long grain of the =20 fabric (parallel to the selvedge), which is what Arnold noted in her =20 study of existing 17th-century ruffs. Even in the horrifying heat =20 and humidity--I think I got wet in the rain, too--that ruffle stayed =20 nice and sproingy (that's a technical term). Even though it will =20 soften with repeated washings, I think the relative stiffness of the =20 linen and the strength of the grain will help hold it out better than = the cotton one. Melanie Schuessler On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:54 PM, otsisto wrote: > Small note for the future. Coleman makes battery operated tent =20 > ceiling fans. > :) > > -----Original Message----- > Definitely too much rain. When not raining, too much heat and > humidity! But I had a great time all the same. > > Melanie Schuessler > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 19:27:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DNRdUG016445 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:27:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DNRbNt018629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:27:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DNKat2026326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DNKZpA033542; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7DNK2Tj032924 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:20:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDNB32JAKDDCBA for (sender ); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:19:36 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhglUK6TPsEj/JhhrVRJRze1M= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MU3FE343; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:18:56 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:12:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? Message-ID: <20070813.161800.3828.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1445516909 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b0e095e-73f5-4b3a-9e9a-8d81b174dc72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C0E8E9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Never tried this, but could you not use some of the thinner foam padding, cover it with cotton, and hide any fastenings (velcro, snaps, whatever) in it? Paint it to taste? I'm probably not explaining this well, but my thought is that plaster is heavy and can be uncomfortable. As for moving in it--it's why they call it "acting." Arlys Denise wrote: > OH YUCK!! 6 weeks' (or more) worth of dead skin cells and dried > sweat. Please don't go there. What she said! ICK! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 19:53:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DNrnc0017164 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:53:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DNrnGm012488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:53:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DNr9IP030532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7DNr8Gg063660; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7DNr4JY063507 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43370 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2007 23:52:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hjEiyCp6ZUHtIB0PRPN0CE2B9akqStRCD4Kg1F0LzlaRuP4Ykr2Q2CiV3TpI3Z1/8ZutwIr23/jqw8DhTxrE9JIh4bL8LlGmAZ9yDO51l1MjXDw6EDBzEmfFy+MHBg6n03tBBSpSVeCM8RjwHIVxZQtcBzLpR9JNtj9AnY/rwO8=; X-YMail-OSG: DF.6JkEVM1l2WYxw8YXzNZ1zfsHwx63ZfcKCsFxPWJH8liobws6B3HrTo87b5rzgY3C6LVK8Iw-- Received: from [87.244.91.126] by web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:52:58 BST Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:52:58 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Obsolete weapons - was amazing: early color photography - To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <010001c7ddf2$bf56cf30$0c00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <369763.43355.qm@web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f0991b5-b129-4881-8472-b3bd58fe9d4e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C0EF0D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:53:53 -0400 (EDT) E House wrote: Thanks, Julian! Mine were just semi-educated guesses--it's nice to see them confirmed. -E House (certifiable gun & obsolete technology nut) COMMENT Well, back when rocks were soft, I fired a LOT of infantry weapons on Courses at the Small Arms Wing of the School of Infantry, - at Hythe. The Museum there had the most complete collection of "small arms of the world" in the entire UK; but it was a museum which was a "working" part of the School, and the weapons were there to be used, in the lecture theatres [to study design, engineering, stripping, cleaning, repiar, adjustm,net, &c, &c.], - and on the Hythe ranges in "comparative shoots". There, the Instructors used to teach us to be able to make effective combat use of any foreign weapon we might find "in the field", - should we be denied the use of our own personal weapons for some reason, when "on Ops". [If you kept yourself busy, going on Courses, you got a reputation for "being keen"; and your CO was less likely to find you unpleasant or boring jobs to do!] Contacting Major Gales, then the Adjutant and Curator at Hythe, to sign a "bloodchit" and take-up a place on a Comparative Weapons Course was quite highly-regarded as an interesting "get-out", from exercises on Dartmoor or in the Brecon Beacons. So, many of the bright chaps in my generation did courses on Allied and captured enemy weapons and other equipment. Which included many weapons supposedly obsolete for frontline Units in their countries of origin, but handed over to allied Satellites, or issued to Reserve formations, or ""home defence" units; or air-dropped to guerilla/partisan units, In my time, I had the opportunity to fire everything from16th C bronze cannon, Tower Muskets, Baker Rifles, and Napoleon's Daughters, - up to the first Avtomat Kalashnikovs [captured during the Suez Affair]. And I hasten to point out that this wasn't a question of being "gun-nuts" - this was about personal survival, considering where some of us were being Posted, and what our Opposition might well have in their weapons caches, left-over from previous wars. Fledgling Independance Movements bought whatever weapons they could afford from Arms Dealers. And sometimes this meant- for the poorest - weapons which had last seen service in the Crimean or Franco-Prussian Wars of the 19th C. Back to the Cossack Male - All the tunics have those breast pockets for 12 rounds of ammunition. And his edged weapons are as much a part of his traditional dress as his clothing, his riding boots, baggy trousers, and his hat. If you do a Google Search for "Cossack weapons" - you'll get a selection of websites containing nice pictures released from the ex-Soviet Archives - and you'll see that all Cossacks, of all the Hosts, carried the same designs of traditional long knives or short swords [whichever!]. Wikpedia has a mass of cross-refernced data about the various Cossack Hosts - lifestyle, ancient and modern history, &c, &c. Regards, J.W. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 20:12:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7E0CCWB017740 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:12:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7E0CCdi020598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:12:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7E0BQ2i032942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:11:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7E0BM8s080871; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7E0AvAj080439 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1187050250-128400920000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 35BA449CEB0 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:10:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id z9IOMQHolePF2qIa for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:10:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8005B6F72 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:49:54 +0200 Message-ID: <013301c7de04$c616b1c0$0c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT but amazing: early color photography Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:50:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1187050250 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c42736f-13ef-4b28-b5dc-574be7fd5a92 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C0F35C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:12:16 -0400 (EDT) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" << Fabulous! Do you think it is wrong to assume that most of the materials and sewing at this point "over there" were still hand made? Just looking at the "hut" in the Profile of a Nomad - the precision is so incredible. I feel like it is a peek back into time as to how incredibly talented human beings can be with just hand tools. >> I am so fascinated by these pictures... they make the history home to me so much more than anything else I've seen. I've always been fascinated by Russia, partly because western Russia is Fairytale Land to me, but mostly because Russia has made such a habit of being way behind the times. The people in those pictures had far more in common with 16thC or earlier western Europe than with early 20th western Europe! (And to look at the depressed faces of Russian peasants only a few years before the revolution... wow.) And then when I think that these pictures predate Max Tilke's book on Asian costume...! Complete old photo geek, I am. I'm not at all interested in replicating Russian costume, and I expected to be disappointed that there's only a handful of pictures of c1910 western European costume, but no. It's the Russian costumes I'm drooling over, even though I still don't want to make them! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 13 23:21:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7E3LBLP023730 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:21:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7E3L9FC014831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:21:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7E3KY4g057652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7E3KJBr039840; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7E3KG6D039734 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BAY106-W17 ([65.54.161.117]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.59.130.27] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] How do I make a removable leg cast? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:20:10 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2007 03:20:11.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[05E2C330:01C7DE22] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84e4adca-12b3-4a78-9fa0-511cd71408c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C11FA5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:21:15 -0400 (EDT) > > Denise wrote:> > OH YUCK!! 6 weeks' (or more) worth of dead skin cells= and dried > > sweat. Please don't go there.> > What she said! ICK!I guess = everybody has a different experience. We kept my daughter's leg cast (she = uses it as a unique container to store "long" things--the cat's fishing pol= e toy, long pieces of bamboo she likes, some willow switches, her parasol, = etc.). We took out the "sock" layer that was right next to her skin, spray= ed the thing with Lysol "just because" and never had any smells, discolorat= ion, or whatever. Had it three years now with no negative "ick" factor, so= that was why I suggested it.Go figure.LuAnn= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 10:38:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FEcIh4009513 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:38:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FEcH2k009557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:38:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FEWljL037875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:32:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FEWeRI047520; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FEWWcH047280 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:32:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.4.97] Received: from [75.46.4.97] (adsl-75-46-4-97.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.4.97]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7FEWO3F019613; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:32:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:32:21 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new Janet Arnold article, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 025d9c46-9c00-43fb-b892-880aea60e018 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C30FD9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Greetings all, In the new issue of Costume (the journal of the British Costume Society), there are four--count them, four!--articles of interest to Elizabethan mavens. The first is a very short posthumous article by the great Janet Arnold on the stays and drawers from QEI's effigy. She cautions that as the drawers are nailed on (ouch!), the pattern may be inaccurate. A very interesting editor's note to this article reads in part: "It is an important piece of work to which she had given a substantial amount of time, but it does not fit with her plans for the forthcoming volume of Patterns of Fashion: The Cut and Construction of Linen Clothes for Men and Women* *Work on this volume is progressing well and should be with the publisher by the end of 2007. It is hoped that a second volume and remaining patterns can be completed by November 2008." Whether this means any more than the previous "we're working on it" messages we've gotten about this material is anyone's guess, but I thought I would pass it along. The other articles are: 'To Cap it All': The Waterford Cap of Maintenance This cap was given in 1536, and the journal includes color pictures of a Mad Hatter-ish velvet hat and details of its materials and construction. I've not read the article in detail yet, so I can't tell you much more than that. Rainbow for a Reign: The Colours of a Queen's Wardrobe Queen Elizabeth I's wardrobe, that is--this is an analysis of the colors mentioned in the New Year's Gift Rolls, and there is a color page with names and little colored boxes. Also very useful are the appendices, which are tables of color definitions, years of appearance and what colors appeared on which garments, color combinations and what years they were used, and locations and shelfmarks of extant New Year's Gift Rolls (of which there are many more than I thought!). Also very interesting is a note saying that the author, Jane A. Lawson, is preparing a full annotated transcript of all the New Year's Gift Rolls, which will be published by the British Academy in their series Records of Economic and Social History. It doesn't say when, but the annotation will include indexes of people and biographical sketches. The Merchant Taylors' Company of London under Elizabeth I: Tailor's Guild or Company of Merchants? I have not so much as skimmed this yet, but the intro says "Part I of this article examines briefly the origins, nature and functions of the sub-company [of the yeomanry within the guild]. Part II explores the degree to which this body represented the continuation of the traditions of the medieval guild of London tailors and continued to embody the aspirations and interests of its artisan members." Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 11:17:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFH5KK010961 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:17:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FFH5GW006060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:17:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FFGVaS050909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFGPWe002842; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFGKDX002645 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070815151615.BSMC21069.fep30.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:16:15 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.154]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070815151614.RINT10547.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:16:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:16:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.164.110.154] at Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:16:13 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cacd66a-1df5-4535-a509-4436a3fef14f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C318F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Hi, Its ben a while since i ironed my linnen shirt, and considering that i have to iron some fine linnen cambric i have washed and tumbled. Wich way is the best to iron it? Should i wet it a little and let it get damped for a while before i iron it, or should i just steam iron it? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 11:23:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFN0dB011159 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:23:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FFMxeD020570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FFH81N051041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFH4g9003588; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFH0aT003416 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 596539796-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.52.105 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FADazwkZPSDRp/2dsb2JhbACBVA Received: from 79-72-52-105.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.52.105]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2007 16:16:53 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070815161148.03351710@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:16:55 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Janet Arnold article, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a00cd9da-607c-47f2-a937-c5e05e16f7bc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C31A54.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:23:04 -0400 (EDT) At 15:32 15/08/2007, you wrote: >Greetings all, > >In the new issue of Costume (the journal of the British Costume >Society), there are four--count them, four!--articles of interest to >Elizabethan mavens. The first is a very short posthumous article by >the great Janet Arnold on the stays and drawers from QEI's effigy. >She cautions that as the drawers are nailed on (ouch!), the pattern >may be inaccurate. A very interesting editor's note to this article >reads in part: "It is an important piece of work to which she had >given a substantial amount of time, but it does not fit with her >plans for the forthcoming volume of Patterns of Fashion: The Cut and >Construction of Linen Clothes for Men and Women* >*Work on this volume is progressing well and should be with the >publisher by the end of 2007. It is hoped that a second volume and >remaining patterns can be completed by November 2008." > >Whether this means any more than the previous "we're working on it" >messages we've gotten about this material is anyone's guess, but I >thought I would pass it along. I was talking to Santina Levey and Jenny Tiramani about these books earlier this year, and Jenny told me that the Effigy Corset pattern would be included in the book on linens, even though it wasn't entirely suitable for the theme of the book. they wanted to make sure that it was included in one of her books, and it seemed that this was the most suitable. The book is indeed almost ready to go to the publishers, but both ladies have other work to complete, as well as working on Janet's book. The reason for the apparent anomaly in what was written and what was said is that I suspect the Journal went to press some time before our conversation. Suzi >The other articles are: > >'To Cap it All': The Waterford Cap of Maintenance >This cap was given in 1536, and the journal includes color pictures >of a Mad Hatter-ish velvet hat and details of its materials and >construction. I've not read the article in detail yet, so I can't >tell you much more than that. > >Rainbow for a Reign: The Colours of a Queen's Wardrobe >Queen Elizabeth I's wardrobe, that is--this is an analysis of the >colors mentioned in the New Year's Gift Rolls, and there is a color >page with names and little colored boxes. Also very useful are the >appendices, which are tables of color definitions, years of >appearance and what colors appeared on which garments, color >combinations and what years they were used, and locations and >shelfmarks of extant New Year's Gift Rolls (of which there are many >more than I thought!). Also very interesting is a note saying that >the author, Jane A. Lawson, is preparing a full annotated transcript >of all the New Year's Gift Rolls, which will be published by the >British Academy in their series Records of Economic and Social >History. It doesn't say when, but the annotation will include >indexes of people and biographical sketches. > >The Merchant Taylors' Company of London under Elizabeth I: Tailor's >Guild or Company of Merchants? >I have not so much as skimmed this yet, but the intro says "Part I of >this article examines briefly the origins, nature and functions of >the sub-company [of the yeomanry within the guild]. Part II explores >the degree to which this body represented the continuation of the >traditions of the medieval guild of London tailors and continued to >embody the aspirations and interests of its artisan members." > >Melanie Schuessler >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 11:43:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFhq01011914 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:43:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FFhphQ029498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:43:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FFYs6u055446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFYKe3025989; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7FFYBQO025622 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42901 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2007 15:33:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NIRZBYut36JPhk24I1zzSXbHonACZLiCl0yu+FJXh25Yu8IGrX/N7kt8PpwjHhWt34vlGN1+30+k0VUFDaYCjUOWIwP9I3n3Ka45HYPU3IqfmIBM6LKe5NGJydKi7lV8u32sYiwWdBE8MUkhieD8kJ5UeU9wWdCdPkd0jc00Np4=; X-YMail-OSG: FqD4qgsVM1k.3wQ_r2tl0gJpTkjtoO1Tv0wHcDEPQv0AZbC2b6j7eqNPM.g1nwQtzryqhfzQTaRm750KlyAUGQZ04J_rWK3GIpHGtptPqaXlmZUCUkWdAi6PexHG6A-- Received: from [195.137.183.2] by web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:33:55 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070815161148.03351710@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <349465.42105.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Linen Shirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10c99ad8-07fa-409f-b866-4d049095f75d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C31F37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:43:56 -0400 (EDT) My mother always told me to sprinkle linen with water, put it in a plastic bag for an hour or overnight and iron. That way the linen gets really damp. Steam iron doesn't seem to do it for me. Tania --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 11:45:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFjFW6011985 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:45:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FFjF7x005820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FFYCuK055250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFY5Zp025621; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FFXm0D025267 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048044E326 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:32:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 Received: by resin16.mta.everyone.net (EON-PICKUP) id resin16.46bbc1f2.1bbef; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:32:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20070815083248.4D6F13BE@resin16.mta.everyone.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:32:48 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRGwxyhcmtBhgEAAAAB,726358041a2af2c116eb1bdaac4c276e X-Originating-Ip: [172.133.15.142] X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49aed90b-85f9-4a00-900e-cc6d42d284e3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C31F8B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT) My personal experience has been that ironing dampened linen works better than steam ironing. But it probably depends on your steam iron. Mine just doesn't produce enough steam to work well with linen. Good luck. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:16:45 +0200 Hi, Its ben a while since i ironed my linnen shirt, and considering that i have to iron some fine linnen cambric i have washed and tumbled. Wich way is the best to iron it? Should i wet it a little and let it get damped for a while before i iron it, or should i just steam iron it? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. 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In-Reply-To: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4bce8b8-25cb-4fe7-94bb-0be72eff7af9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C32121.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:52:05 -0400 (EDT) At 08:16 AM 8/15/2007, you wrote: >Hi, >Its ben a while since i ironed my linnen shirt, and considering that >i have to iron some fine linnen cambric i have washed and tumbled. >Wich way is the best to iron it? >Should i wet it a little and let it get damped for a while before i >iron it, or should i just steam iron it? > >Bjarne When I iron linen, I try to take it directly from the washer and iron it while still damp. In my experience, a steam iron does not do a very good job on dry linen. I would recommend getting it thoroughly damp before ironing. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 12:30:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FGUE18013527 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:30:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FGUEO8009884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:30:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FGQgLs068103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FGQcpa093509; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:26:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FGQXEB093353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [192.168.1.121] ([132.198.190.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l7FGQVwp016533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:26:32 -0400 Message-ID: <46C32938.7010703@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:26:32 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen. References: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> <200708151551.l7FFpLD2048172@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200708151551.l7FFpLD2048172@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8223768f-f262-4269-b551-a49bd124c481 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C32A16.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:30:18 -0400 (EDT) I wear lots of linen so am ironing it all the time. I use a spray bottle. You can usually get these from stores that sell plants or, like I did, just wash out a spray bottle from window cleaner or a similar product. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 12:51:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FGpCDi014304 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:51:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FGpDt4019566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:51:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FGexQY071237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FGecM8011482; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:40:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FGeUpO011262 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:40:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so956458nfd for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:40:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p2nJw9c+mulJodn0pKRt0AqUpQ9rLOFZk5IsISsCbomSpkfC4/TJ9L571IO2gqWMY3TnMLZqNLO/vYi1I+DRF4g8r+eD2fLUCnuuIwWy8NY4XJ/177di/NwRwYQ2Fe9z8XfjsyqCdGVgkAGogxrYLPfAsnF47HfNMT9pHl1xyu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oBT2BD1hCHFCSYlElMg0wEqMGO6TTMaqXcTx23x/UTOgND8hDjZxY0gDX5xtxfgweRZbnLrDiaouo+RAOrW+DjrsFKhXvtsYj2ONLnTmzqRVLmLvLo10jstMliIe202MYLBYcwFNUUzlq5mvuhC0Ow/T0q66lMszeu7koqsLgz0= Received: by 10.78.190.10 with SMTP id n10mr267795huf.1187196028253; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0708150940r34d3cd50jefbdf7a547a0fc58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:40:28 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. In-Reply-To: <20070815083248.4D6F13BE@resin16.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070815083248.4D6F13BE@resin16.mta.everyone.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e40021a2-869c-4ad8-a200-558f290456ef X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C32F01.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:51:16 -0400 (EDT) When I was a child, my mom didn't have a steam iron. She'd take the clothes out of the washing machine and put them into a large heavy-duty plastic bag in the refrigerator until she could get to the ironing, usually after we all went to school the next day. I had a lot of linen to iron recently, did NOT do this (I was traveling) and spent 3 1/2 hour ironing 10+ yards of linen just smooth enough to cut out. When these shirts are finished, I'll have to get them wet to iron them because steam irons just won't work well on their own with linen. But I don't have a Rowenta with the extra tank for the heavy steam. LynnD On 8/15/07, Lalah wrote: > My personal experience has been that ironing dampened linen works better than steam ironing. But it probably depends on your steam iron. Mine just doesn't produce enough steam to work well with linen. Good luck. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > --- drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Cc: > Subject: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:16:45 +0200 > > Hi, > Its ben a while since i ironed my linnen shirt, and considering that i have > to iron some fine linnen cambric i have washed and tumbled. > Wich way is the best to iron it? > Should i wet it a little and let it get damped for a while before i iron it, > or should i just steam iron it? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. 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Authors? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 13:22:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FHMNdW015498 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:22:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FHMNR3001085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:22:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FHLtmL080716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FHLqD0063884; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm23.prodigy.net (flpvm23.prodigy.net [207.115.20.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FHLiTG063612 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.0.224] Received: from [75.46.0.224] (adsl-75-46-0-224.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.0.224]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7FHLZeN005461 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:21:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D537C23-9311-40A2-A763-C87E3C418E72@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Janet Arnold article, etc. Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:21:31 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05f8ee03-c9b8-476f-bb3b-f3e4065c753e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C3364F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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On Aug 15, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > >> In the new issue of Costume ... > >> 'To Cap it All': The Waterford Cap of Maintenance by Cliodna Devitt > >> The Merchant Taylors' Company of London under Elizabeth I: Tailor's >> Guild or Company of Merchants? by Nigel Sleigh-Johnson > > Authors? > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 13:59:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FHxQ0I016945 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:59:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FHxPS8010610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:59:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FHwrLt088006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FHwmX3007249; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FHwPFU006829 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.10.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.10]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ILN8S-0005tp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:58:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <8296995c0708150940r34d3cd50jefbdf7a547a0fc58@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070815083248.4D6F13BE@resin16.mta.everyone.net> <8296995c0708150940r34d3cd50jefbdf7a547a0fc58@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:00:09 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3fc2c4c0-c945-4758-87ed-888b98ef4d47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C33EFD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:59:30 -0400 (EDT) My mother always ironed her embroidered linen tablecloths by taking them out of the washing machine, putting them into the dryer for 5 to 10 minutes (so they became steamy rather than soaking wet), then spreading them on a large flat surface (sometimes the table itself, with heat- and wet-protective padding), and ironing them until they were dry. BEAUTIFUL results. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Aug 15, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Lynn Downward wrote: > When I was a child, my mom didn't have a steam iron. She'd take the > clothes out of the washing machine and put them into a large > heavy-duty plastic bag in the refrigerator until she could get to the > ironing, usually after we all went to school the next day. > > I had a lot of linen to iron recently, did NOT do this (I was > traveling) and spent 3 1/2 hour ironing 10+ yards of linen just smooth > enough to cut out. When these shirts are finished, I'll have to get > them wet to iron them because steam irons just won't work well on > their own with linen. But I don't have a Rowenta with the extra tank > for the heavy steam. > > LynnD > > On 8/15/07, Lalah wrote: >> My personal experience has been that ironing dampened linen works >> better than steam ironing. But it probably depends on your steam >> iron. Mine just doesn't produce enough steam to work well with >> linen. Good luck. >> >> Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender >> >> --- drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: >> >> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >> To: >> Cc: >> Subject: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. >> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:16:45 +0200 >> >> Hi, >> Its ben a while since i ironed my linnen shirt, and considering >> that i have >> to iron some fine linnen cambric i have washed and tumbled. >> Wich way is the best to iron it? >> Should i wet it a little and let it get damped for a while before >> i iron it, >> or should i just steam iron it? >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 14:34:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FIYfhR018346 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:34:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FIYfZj016155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:34:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FIXs3j093940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:33:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FIXnjQ049109; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FIXiP2048884 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070815183336.KNUJ12247.fep32.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:33:36 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.154]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070815183335.RMYC10547.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:33:35 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c7df6a$da4e9920$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:33:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.164.110.154] at Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:33:28 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ae6e866-cdd5-4353-81e3-7aee7ccc951c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C34741.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Hi, Manny manny thanks for your help with this. Ill wet it a little and put it in a plasticbag for the night, so that i can start ironing early tomorrow. Thanks again......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 16:08:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FK8uK7022262 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FK8tYw027210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FK7wti009263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FK7sTw059051; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FK7lTg058793 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:46 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linen Shirt Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:44 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0236F13D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <349465.42105.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Linen Shirt Thread-Index: AcffU1emNg4wlxEpToizAWXhA1yoxgAJJo2w From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2007 20:08:46.0916 (UTC) FILETIME=[1674A040:01C7DF78] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08cbd005-178d-45d6-a103-46dea63ef66e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C35D58.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:09:00 -0400 (EDT) My mother said the same except the bag (with the dampened linen) went in the refrigerator first. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Tania Gruning Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:34 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Linen Shirt My mother always told me to sprinkle linen with water, put it in a plastic bag for an hour or overnight and iron. That way the linen gets really damp. Steam iron doesn't seem to do it for me. =20 Tania =20 --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 16:20:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKKeG0022843 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:20:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FKKeil012301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FKKALn011321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:20:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKK9s2072610; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FIslYO073600 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ILO10-000Kda-IZ for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:54:46 +0000 Message-ID: <46C34BF6.2030505@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:54:46 +0100 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen References: <001401c7df6a$da4e9920$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001401c7df6a$da4e9920$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 012f1232-8c81-4716-a75e-4cc01330f8a2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C36018.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Why did i have to read this article before going to iron all our underlinen from last weekend's event? It's much too dry, but time just doesn't allow for me to catch it while it's wet. Spray bottle, where are you? Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Manny manny thanks for your help with this. Ill wet it a little and > put it in a plasticbag for the night, so that i can start ironing > early tomorrow. > > Thanks again......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 16:21:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKL9Wv022867 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:21:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FKL8dj021653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:21:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FKJWMx011201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKJPFj071688; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKJ0YU070979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7FKKsQA017440 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:20:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46C35FA0.8030207@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:18:40 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Janet Arnold article, etc. References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a555fef-b22d-4ba0-bfd7-22f395b0658c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C36034.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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And Suzi, ditto for your comment about the corset? cv/cynthia -- Vandeverre's Emporium, Caledon II: for a subset of your Victorian Second Life needs! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 16:27:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKRrqx023149 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:27:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FKRnAM012739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:27:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FKKtLd011428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKKsir073562; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKCqgG064689 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JMU009KC04P5UF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:12:15 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linen Shirt In-reply-to: <349465.42105.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 197b263a-fc02-4280-b636-64e5fefcf0af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C361C5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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FareChase. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 16:36:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKa1r7023450 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:36:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FKZxj0027709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:36:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FKZFZo013578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKZClm089125; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FKZ2j3088786 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:35:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.0.224] Received: from [75.46.0.224] (adsl-75-46-0-224.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.0.224]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7FKYpqi018647 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:34:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46C35FA0.8030207@thibault.org> References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <46C35FA0.8030207@thibault.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2D5071A7-9FD8-4848-B6BF-1C60510A4CEC@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Janet Arnold article, etc. Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:34:45 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ae3f0af-f8e2-4cbc-93c7-372b132ac805 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C363AF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Absolutely. Would you do me a favor and add in the author names, as Robin rightly suggested? To Cap it All by Cliodna Devitt Rainbow for a Reign Jane A. Lawson The Merchant Taylors' Company Nigel Sleigh-Johnson Thanks! Melanie On Aug 15, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > Melanie Schuessler wrote: a bunch of good stuff. > > Melanie, May I quote your post in its entirety on other relevant > email lists, with attribution? > > And Suzi, ditto for your comment about the corset? > > > cv/cynthia > > -- > Vandeverre's Emporium, Caledon II: for a subset of your Victorian > Second Life needs! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 17:39:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLdYpv026014 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:39:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FLdYXR019512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:39:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FLcnkM023390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLcica060180; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLccPp059994 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 613807517-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.52.105 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAJ4Ow0ZPSDRp/2dsb2JhbAA Received: from 79-72-52-105.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.52.105]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2007 22:38:31 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070815223000.03335990@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:35:22 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Janet Arnold article, etc. In-Reply-To: <46C35FA0.8030207@thibault.org> References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <46C35FA0.8030207@thibault.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 035d9afd-3dd8-4a8f-b0d4-2b284bb99f51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C37296.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) At 21:18 15/08/2007, you wrote: >Melanie Schuessler wrote: a bunch of good stuff. > >Melanie, May I quote your post in its entirety on other relevant >email lists, with attribution? > >And Suzi, ditto for your comment about the corset? > > >cv/cynthia Yes, the conversation was not to be kept a secret, as far as I know. However, because the book had not yet gone to the publishers when I was talking to Jenny, I think I would prefer that you say something to the effect of "Janet's literary executors are hoping to be able to include her pattern for the effigy corset in the "Linen" book, just in case there is a problem at the publishers. Unless you want to wait while I e-mail her to check? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 17:45:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLjOoi026266 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:45:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FLjOwO022121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:45:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FLiVJH024136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLiTGL066575; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:44:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLiN6v066451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7FLkZsC018668 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:46:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46C373B5.7040604@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:44:21 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Janet Arnold article, etc. References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <46C35FA0.8030207@thibault.org> <2D5071A7-9FD8-4848-B6BF-1C60510A4CEC@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <2D5071A7-9FD8-4848-B6BF-1C60510A4CEC@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fef15332-b005-4340-b320-3bd2f2c363ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C373F4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you! cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 17:53:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLrrcD026573 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:53:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FLrr3W022775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:53:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FLm4J1024610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLm25a070566; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLlxY9070381 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1187213856-2e9900160001-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 438C35460A5 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:37:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id 3qKBYVnG5YApHDrO for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:37:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800609754 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:37:37 +0200 Message-ID: <022201c7df84$a0694880$0c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> <200708151551.l7FFpLD2048172@net.indra.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:38:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1187213857 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebd5387d-f7e5-4b89-93cb-806adea0e2a2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C375F1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Voice of experience, in case you couldn't tell... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 18:09:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FM99m5027190 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:09:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FM99xi011085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:09:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FM8FFc027269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FM8Dsc092357; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FM88pq092259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7FMAKFi018981 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:10:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46C37946.5040709@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:08:06 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning References: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> <200708151551.l7FFpLD2048172@net.indra.com> <022201c7df84$a0694880$0c00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <022201c7df84$a0694880$0c00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9122bfa5-6231-40fb-afab-f18f2440d87d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C37985.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:09:13 -0400 (EDT) E House wrote: > Please be warned--ironing wet or even just damp linen stretches it out > a LOT. Good thing to mention! My mom taught me to always iron fancy linen under a lot of tension, so you get that shimmery pressed look, but that's probably not what people want for their underthings! cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 18:40:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FMeLos028327 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:40:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FMeLnY021263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:40:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FMYFu2030506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FMYDjb018186; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FMY9tm018056 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Uhu6QNxesK3fTQXn6fzTwaAx/MddtTgHNDpU8rcpXqF8D6WGIqUZ8xN45oJxvNzk; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.253.8] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ILRRD-0006FO-Lk for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:34:04 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c7df8c$ccaaf580$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:37:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd482b54880dc3d847fb956141386a5dd452f2c98678957fd5f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.253.8 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 883b5459-af63-445a-ad6e-7bedcb745117 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C380D5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 18:59:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FMxqfa029053 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:59:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FMxqui026341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:59:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FLvNKW025678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLvLob080625; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLv76x080280 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cb1.186af1eb (48576) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:57:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen. 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I find that the creases drop out of pure linen in less than an hour anyway. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 20:15:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G0F95d031363 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7G0F9Nr006842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:15:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7FLi04T024074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLhw2q065993; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7FLhs9C065906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7FLk5m8018661 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:46:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46C37397.3060500@thibault.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:43:51 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new Janet Arnold article, etc. References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <46C35FA0.8030207@thibault.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20070815223000.03335990@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070815223000.03335990@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94fb5af4-b513-4b27-9007-74c3b3a03537 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C3970D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Unless you want to wait > while I e-mail her to check? No need; the more general statement will be great. Thank you both! cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 22:18:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G2IWuo003607 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:18:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7G2IW3u025208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:18:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7G2I0nI057153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G2HvwZ009153; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:17:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G2Hrgu009092 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7G2HpOw018207 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JMU004A9H1RH6@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.109] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:17:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:17:51 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f7728ed-fb71-4930-9b3a-139ac35b8df2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C3B3F8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Greetings. I'm looking for detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto: http://www.nationalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=BARTOLOMEO%2C+Veneto&mode=artist&frm=1 Specifically, I'm looking for a detail of the tulip motifs on the camica. I remember seeing one, but, of course, can't find it now. Thanks so much. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 15 23:34:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G3YFwJ006686 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:34:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7G3YFrH014332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7G3UlIi066015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G3Uil3072402; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G3Uf1D072364 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 530573F7A8 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:30:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:30:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d2f20a09-31e3-42c6-8c90-018c029786f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C3C5B7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:34:19 -0400 (EDT) A wee bit better http://tinyurl.com/2n6r4o I remember once upon a time that there was a site that zoomed in on the portrait but I can't seem to find it. De -----Original Message----- Greetings. I'm looking for detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto: http://www.nationalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=BARTOLOMEO%2C+Veneto&mo de=artist&frm=1 Specifically, I'm looking for a detail of the tulip motifs on the camica. I remember seeing one, but, of course, can't find it now. Thanks so much. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 00:45:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G4jbqu009434 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:45:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7G4jbEu027519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:45:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7G4cp0q074176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G4cmNm042038; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G4chJ9041982 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (202-78-152-208.cable.telstraclear.net [202.78.152.208]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JMU00FZ2NKE7Z00@smtp4.clear.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:38:38 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:38:43 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <46C3D4D3.6040306@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <46BFE54A.90501@bovil.com> <011f01c7ddab$f08347b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e20bcdc-a39b-4759-b7d0-57928d782541 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C3D671.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:45:41 -0400 (EDT) ailith@neo.rr.com wrote: > Greetings. > > I'm looking for detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto: > > http://www.nationalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=BARTOLOMEO%2C+Veneto&mode=artist&frm=1 > > Ahh... good luck getting anything out of them. I broke down and got this book from the library The sixteenth-century Italian paintings. Volume 1, Paintings from Bergamo, Brescia and Cremona by Penny Nicholas - National Gallery of Great Britain -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 01:25:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5PTIJ010883 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:25:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7G5PU4d008940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7G5L4iL078938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5L1Db078176; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5KD6X077451 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1ILXmG0A2h-00056W; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:20:13 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c7dfc5$1b3a5eb0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> <200708151551.l7FFpLD2048172@net.indra.com><022201c7df84$a0694880$0c00a8c0@compaqub> <46C37946.5040709@thibault.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:20:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18KoTQW/tS0PhtM8oweeV0yZPEV8tW5IKd64y4 BmwRzc3qlZikMjxigCPUxmrKGxPUDktnAlkhJHpq5+IPEPuCSr E3vmaaKDz4UqfWl9C2rZw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2be0f6d1-e1b5-4783-b5e5-e023906b81d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C3DFCA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:25:33 -0400 (EDT) An interesting topic today... I ran into a problem today with a linen mix dress. I have a cotton / linen blend off-white dress that I had not worn in a couple of years. I was cleaning out my closet and noticed the dress had turned a dark tea color. I took the dress to the dry cleaners today and they said that they could not get the tea color out. She stated the reason this happened was because of the hot temperatures in my closet. Last week we had 100 degree temperatures and my closet has two exterior walls. I opened my closet door and the air was really hot. So I started leaving the closet door open on hot days to let the air conditioning get into the closet. Tonight, I washed the dress with hot water, Shave shampoo, and a little bleach. To get rid of the bleach in the fabric, I rinsed it several times in clear water. The dress color is now its natural off-white! YEA! I am going to try the refrigerator trick to see how it works on this dress. BTW, I have found that Shave shampoo is gentle enough to wash white delicate natural fabrics. I have been using Shave for the past year and it works wonders! I am wondering where the cooling the linen before ironing originated. Some of you mentioned that your mothers taught you to do this. It makes me wonder if this method was something that was passed down through the generations. I checked in my 1894 Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods and cooling the linen is not mentioned. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 01:28:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5S3NA010997 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:28:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7G5S3s1014349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:28:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7G5RXSC079898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:27:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5RVVq084161; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5RQIY084003 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=a2Lcx4XyEi7DWw/8f5tcSGrWePhc7xBlH0hvt8C1YPWYiUNDXvXYqtw86sTDsjIf; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.253.8] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ILXtB-0007vz-F2 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:27:21 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c7dfc6$8ad85320$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c7df4f$4bee0910$9a6ea450@CPQ21932199711> <200708151551.l7FFpLD2048172@net.indra.com><022201c7df84$a0694880$0c00a8c0@compaqub><46C37946.5040709@thibault.org> <004c01c7dfc5$1b3a5eb0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:30:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4879ff7b569717a1831ab412c668cc2bab510ab3ad090af031350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.253.8 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c238efc-dc2e-4e1c-84a9-d21789139b06 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C3E063.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:28:07 -0400 (EDT) (snip) > I am wondering where the cooling the linen before ironing originated. > Some of you mentioned that your mothers taught you to do this. It makes > me wonder if this method was something that was passed down through the > generations. I checked in my 1894 Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods and > cooling the linen is not mentioned. > > Penny Ladnier, I was never taught to cool the linen. My grandmother, who took in ironing for people, used to sprinkle all of the cotton and linen, then put it in the freezer, but only so it wouldn't mildew before she got around to ironing it. I've never seen any difference between the linen that's been frozen and that that's ironed immediately after sprinkling. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 01:44:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5ilIu011740 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:44:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7G5fH8f001685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:43:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7G5ZDFc081181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5ZBDV091880; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:35:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G5Z6V3091794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:35:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l7G5Z3rd010513 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:35:06 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:37:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: <004c01c7dfc5$1b3a5eb0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dda1e3a9-5728-4e28-8eb5-ace14c47fd55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C3E37D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:44:51 -0400 (EDT) > > I am wondering where the cooling the linen before ironing > originated. Some > of you mentioned that your mothers taught you to do this. It makes me > wonder if this method was something that was passed down through the > generations. I checked in my 1894 Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods and > cooling the linen is not mentioned. > > Penny Ladnier, Actually my mother used to put things in the refrigerator or freezer in order to keep them from developing mildew before she got around to ironing them. She had a full time job as a Hospital pharmacist and clothing could be washed on one Saturday and ironed when she had the time and energy to do so. Wanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 05:05:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G95Ghd025433 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:05:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7G95GhF029559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:05:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7G94XvQ010330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:04:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G94RMa077460; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G94Pko077368 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so189335rvf for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=aWcOLZxh8C3Bd2ojfNss6Xe16Xr4WUsEtseyAIyzeRXfs9Fun6vVwhmY8D7cJ3zDYQGPOKbYZNkkFahX2MbDzA/bQqnK7Ao0Tljh/0hHutoVxSthht8Uzs78d7K3DWh5DVCs8ESUtgzlbRWvsZx1JvXegDiZPr5GGV3Wm+o5TLI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=Y1yQC3ntCv/onaWOhlv9HwDsi+B5Li63XBDHicqzUsfY2cbcwQSUwAfIBSB3x3NhJsehKaGl9iQssIrm3dCLShkSgUKqIlf1fynrrLgazEKEccpR1ASh8I67sO66XmCveapsw2cx5ua9IIaRtCCZG0xOt0HmSr3byJDEVQNw5Tw= Received: by 10.141.37.8 with SMTP id p8mr610906rvj.1187255059286; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [124.254.89.185]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k14sm1530527rvb.2007.08.16.02.04.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:04:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:04:59 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vogue Tags/Label Was: Urgent question about 1927 outfit In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c7dc8e$2a563cf0$89f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <46c41311.0e578c0a.50f9.ffffa6ba@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 788e292e-b82f-451d-9fba-7be69d28d794 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C4134C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:05:20 -0400 (EDT) At 01:44 AM 13/08/2007, you wrote: >This link has a picture of the Vogue tag up in the left hand >corner. Anyone remember when you used to buy these patterns, they >would give you a really nice woven tag/label? Anyone know what >happened to that practice? > >Sg I recieved tags for all 4 vintage vogues I purchased in June (in Australia), but that doesn't exclude the tages being left over stock though. They were automatically included in the patterns I bought. It was a higher end fabric store as well. Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 10:10:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GEAXpH019227 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:10:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7GEATmf021321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:10:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7GE9R8q004800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:09:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GE9ItA010983; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7G7752u070134 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1ILZRg1Gps-0005DR; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:07:05 -0400 Message-ID: <009501c7dfd4$096037f0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:06:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX197R7CQLEhENt0RVC1npxXbPOC9iOcOmB6/6gG xtxWpKZoNIomTPdMjVnfSTOYOTVpu1ObScyPCWHu6NRsnnAPIO 4TXyhSDicvJvbF9jTUDfg== Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 21ab8f99-f690-490a-9047-bbabf04f4b98 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C45AD5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:10:38 -0400 (EDT) I wonder if this cooling method comes from mothers who put out their laundry on the clothesline in the winter and the fabric froze. I had not experienced the freezing laundering syndrome until we moved to Illinois. My son's cloth diapers froze stiff on the clothesline. From all my years of living in the Deep South, I had not experienced frozen laundry until then. We didn't have a clothes dryer in our apartment and I had to iron his diapers. At the time, we were snowed in for a week. A friend of mine grew up in Nebraska. She told me that her grandmother ironed everything year round. I recall my mother ironing sheets and pillowcases. I do have a couple of question about ironing. 1. I had mentioned previously on this list that there is a correct way to iron. Can someone point me to a webpage that shows the correct way to iron? I put my dress in the freezer for the night. If ironing wet linen causes it to stretch, is there a particular way to iron it to decrease the amount of stretch? 2. I had some 100% white cotton Priscilla curtains that I need to iron. I paid a lot of money for these curtains and really love them. In the past years, I starched them to remove the wrinkles. The last time that I washed them, they were yellowed from the starch. I bleached them but can't get rid of the yellow tinge. 2A. Is there another way to get rid of the yellow tinge? 2B. Is there something other than starching to assist keeping the curtains crisp longer? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 12:25:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GGPf3n024807 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:25:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7GGPa43024398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:25:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7GGON6m033855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GGOIYV091556; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GGOFYb091505 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:24:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so176550nfd for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Lu/BNM/nvwRwbpFHK9viyE6Bouun+0qPBfZyaBbnwWuUpyfW8c3UTOIgw2l5tJw/enr9T6rnoHATATVVTpV1gTxx2gQTXgdZR+lJLSthvaIptzRwiPhz+cAtZIszlU6HI3n7soPDqGy/wYrRJMqI29+3Crxd5dm7ClrpE+TpJAs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a87XvDg+1K/qsSLZYtzZViWFW6aFcqgXCtBzqvp4O6X1p/Ed4MaHCIi0QId8wDwPYjShiz7QWGksLyXIqexCdULDdW8bryivGeIsy1MExuqPzgLibMzeOowT+vLmuVuZAu5g+UVNi6S6ysj62Cma8mTxEbQCdntPujk0P+IWCcE= Received: by 10.78.180.16 with SMTP id c16mr715484huf.1187281454388; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0708160924o1f4f9ecdnfd6a1aebdd13b997@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:24:14 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004c01c7dfc5$1b3a5eb0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4e80acd-03c1-4e3b-b225-ff0d651e926e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C47A80.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Yeah, in my house it was a timing thing. Mom would was laundry while we were at school, but wouldn't iron with 4 kids between 5-11 running around the house. And then it was time to start dinner, then dinnertime, dishes (my job as the oldest), homework and she was done for the day. She had to put the ironing in the refrigerator or she was afraid of that moldy smell and that the wrinkles would set. It didn't have anything to do with cooling the linen (or cotton). I learned a few years ago - here - about ice crystals breaking down the linen threads to make it softer. As a matter of fact, my mother-in-law, raising her kids in Montana and Utah, swears that hanging out the diapers in the snow and the frost would soften the diapers and freeze out any stains. LynnD On 8/15/07, Wanda Pease wrote: > > > > I am wondering where the cooling the linen before ironing > > originated. Some > > of you mentioned that your mothers taught you to do this. It makes me > > wonder if this method was something that was passed down through the > > generations. I checked in my 1894 Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods and > > cooling the linen is not mentioned. > > > > Penny Ladnier, > > Actually my mother used to put things in the refrigerator or freezer in > order to keep them from developing mildew before she got around to ironing > them. She had a full time job as a Hospital pharmacist and clothing could > be washed on one Saturday and ironed when she had the time and energy to do > so. > > Wanda > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 13:25:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GHPLWb027241 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:25:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7GHPJWV003058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:25:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7GHOiR1046252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GHOBG3072784; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GHO4it072507 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:25:04 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:25:03 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0236F257@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <004c01c7dfc5$1b3a5eb0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Thread-Index: AcffxgaTBdC0YCHdQn6zJHIPNcxGEQAZBXAg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2007 17:25:04.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[62514510:01C7E02A] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 63996831-b983-4ca0-a848-a5387758f0a1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C4887F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Cooling linen - Maybe to retard bacterial or fungal growth, but my guess would be to get the most bang from the steam with a bigger temperature differential. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning An interesting topic today... I ran into a problem today with a linen mix=20 dress. I have a cotton / linen blend off-white dress that I had not worn in a=20 couple of years. I was cleaning out my closet and noticed the dress had turned a dark tea color. I took the dress to the dry cleaners today and they said that they could not get the tea color out. She stated the reason=20 this happened was because of the hot temperatures in my closet. Last week=20 we had 100 degree temperatures and my closet has two exterior walls. I=20 opened my closet door and the air was really hot. So I started leaving the=20 closet door open on hot days to let the air conditioning get into the=20 closet. Tonight, I washed the dress with hot water, Shave shampoo, and a little=20 bleach. To get rid of the bleach in the fabric, I rinsed it several times=20 in clear water. The dress color is now its natural off-white! YEA! I am=20 going to try the refrigerator trick to see how it works on this dress. BTW, I have found that Shave shampoo is gentle enough to wash white delicate=20 natural fabrics. I have been using Shave for the past year and it works wonders! I am wondering where the cooling the linen before ironing originated. Some=20 of you mentioned that your mothers taught you to do this. It makes me=20 wonder if this method was something that was passed down through the=20 generations. I checked in my 1894 Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods and=20 cooling the linen is not mentioned. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 13:32:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GHWPGj027433 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:32:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7GHWEA6023128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7GHScpR046922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GHSXpW078876; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GHSRk3078588 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:29:27 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:29:27 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0236F25E@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <009501c7dfd4$096037f0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t Thread-Index: AcfgD2C6aeYVChOiRte25qs1PcxiOgAG0MSw From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2007 17:29:27.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF0E6450:01C7E02A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e1201bb-f53a-4b07-917f-2a2ae52141e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C48A1E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:32:29 -0400 (EDT) If your clothing freezes on the line - leave it for the wind to whip out the ice - the fabric will be wonderfully soft & good smelling. Just be sure to get out of the way of those sheets when you're hanging them out - they turn into boards when they freeze & really hurt if they hit you. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t I wonder if this cooling method comes from mothers who put out their laundry=20 on the clothesline in the winter and the fabric froze. I had not=20 experienced the freezing laundering syndrome until we moved to Illinois. My=20 son's cloth diapers froze stiff on the clothesline. From all my years of=20 living in the Deep South, I had not experienced frozen laundry until then.=20 We didn't have a clothes dryer in our apartment and I had to iron his=20 diapers. At the time, we were snowed in for a week. A friend of mine grew up in Nebraska. She told me that her grandmother=20 ironed everything year round. I recall my mother ironing sheets and=20 pillowcases. I do have a couple of question about ironing. 1. I had mentioned previously on this list that there is a correct way to=20 iron. Can someone point me to a webpage that shows the correct way to iron?=20 I put my dress in the freezer for the night. If ironing wet linen causes it=20 to stretch, is there a particular way to iron it to decrease the amount of=20 stretch? 2. I had some 100% white cotton Priscilla curtains that I need to iron. I=20 paid a lot of money for these curtains and really love them. In the past=20 years, I starched them to remove the wrinkles. The last time that I washed=20 them, they were yellowed from the starch. I bleached them but can't get rid=20 of the yellow tinge. 2A. Is there another way to get rid of the yellow tinge? 2B. Is there something other than starching to assist keeping the curtains=20 crisp longer? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 16 18:24:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GMO1eX005618 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:24:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7GMO1PI011638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:24:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7GMLSIY002868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GMLO14030440; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7GMLLS2030367 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:21:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so218705nze for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:21:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ILQC6Bl4KFUR5YF4/ELVIse+037+n4BxEbq6YI+CgbTMP9H/B6nxUXmjfINGaqeXLme5w0vHr+RDdrQ9c7vAOt1cfDWWzaFwOrLAT1SL1Cqcw+xq6GB97GcwCUH8iWyOq6wOhdug09mNhlVoKjng7qTx4J7NCfiVS+aIOx2GiM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OcjCp775yZOKqtTFXRZu2YBHNariQzspFRUwKSHLlfBbbTxshIziGK0Hx705N8Tj7AvP82Mo5ooELL/ho4CAK7UbsiJh+TbXa8KLfl5/JdQwDMh8396rBBVoiACGL4WDv381GRqPXoeQsD8Nq9GsN3QmnBS0Sb7fx2gJqk+3rwg= Received: by 10.142.109.16 with SMTP id h16mr150093wfc.1187302878731; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:21:18 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vogue Tags/Label MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a475bb1-f48d-4277-9527-7ee6cc947a3c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C4CE81.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:24:05 -0400 (EDT) At 01:44 AM 13/08/2007, you wrote: >This link has a picture of the Vogue tag up in the left hand >corner. Anyone remember when you used to buy these patterns, they >would give you a really nice woven tag/label? Anyone know what >happened to that practice? RJReynolds did that with the quilt fabrics copied from original quilts in the Smithsonian. My 1835 daygown of *huge* cabbage roses has "The Smithsonian Collection, The Grooms Quilt" label sewn inside the bodice. G Street Fabrics gave out a tag to customers who purchase at least a certain amt of yardage. I had another dress, American Civil War era, with a different Smithsonian/RJR collection label, but it long ago was given away or sold. It's pity RJR & the Smithsonian stopped collaborating on those. It was a great way to find historical prints for day dresses. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 00:50:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H4ogSV014619 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:50:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7H4oU6V009107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:50:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7H2cfQm040773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:38:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H2cc55072581; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H2cYaq072422 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1187318299-6307000c0002-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 711765B480A for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:38:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id 2PGAilEREMrOTRcM for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:38:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800658ECD for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:38:28 +0200 Message-ID: <027801c7e077$d277dff0$0c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:39:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1187318308 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f0f6fb1-9533-4aee-a70b-26f05e6f7db2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C52916.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Here's the biggest I could find on the web: http://www.utfinalese.it/pagine/abiti.html (scroll down 1 screen) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 02:30:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H6U5tQ016296 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:30:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7H6U06Z013917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:30:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7H53mCP058404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H53isY096165; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H53b8q095982 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:03:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=DN+3JBNdYXkzG2IIzVtAdwmF/bN0hxm/hGi6XbEZoQgJI1UP3xn/9q7n+d5PVXy1; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ILtzf-0005vV-UE for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:03:32 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070816233949.0284d760@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:43:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200708162040.l7GKeDO2015759@net.indra.com> References: <200708162040.l7GKeDO2015759@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53598c614bbd8bd82341f7c6b6124840d780bc5bf70c106596350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ironing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e7f0416-74a1-4ada-b24e-0fb668e544fe X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C54068.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:30:09 -0400 (EDT) 2A - Old fashioned bluing. The blue will cancel out the yellowing and make the fabric appear whiter. 2B - Sorry, don't know that one. Sandy At 03:40 PM 8/16/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:06:53 -0400 >From: "Penny Ladnier" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t > >I do have a couple of question about ironing. > >2. I had some 100% white cotton Priscilla curtains that I need to iron. I >paid a lot of money for these curtains and really love them. In the past >years, I starched them to remove the wrinkles. The last time that I washed >them, they were yellowed from the starch. I bleached them but can't get rid >of the yellow tinge. >2A. Is there another way to get rid of the yellow tinge? >2B. Is there something other than starching to assist keeping the curtains >crisp longer? > >Penny Ladnier, "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 15:51:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJpQJR026960 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:51:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HJpP7J013066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:51:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7H7AdrO072059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H7AX1H001705; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:10:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7H7ARRQ001561 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 45460 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2007 07:10:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ByGKYf2T3cssdgFIa/glc2JIT1vrsCZ2jGrb67MIPXrSGguVPAsZCV7K9UiTsKfCcPq/OpdaJpcAYFm1xxAoVECADfT3K8uifO/oqgWK57rnQ0QoZ/N+HwJdljv9rMbX7TyG/vilqWHGp/fnmjFP/CbT3j0p5/0hm6EculOm+Js=; X-YMail-OSG: lHRK7i8VM1n9XyJ8xrCtGNQa8Ky.3yn0TEmhfzOJVp0RwTOxaOJRbVNzaJiKTEZ1QoWz5JcDL_jBBTxegQF0WBQerGVqrp3yYJdz09DLlBi9Tk3K93sTK.sDjFq61g-- Received: from [209.191.88.134] by web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:10:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <467604.44636.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01962b0d-51ce-4424-9e78-928286f344b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C5FC3D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Hi Kate,=0A=0Aa while back on the Italian Renaissance Costuming yahoo group= , Salvi posted a link to a scan she had made of this image. It's HUGE...my = copy is 26.4Mb.=0A=0AI've done a quick search of the archives and will post= it here for you (be warned - it's huge!)=0A=0Ahttp://www.outoftheattic.biz= /images/bartolomeo.jpg=0A=0AA link to the message itself:=0A=0Ahttp://group= s.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/message/4998=0A=0A =0ABella= , The Realm of Venus=0AI'm doing the World Vision 40 Hour Famine this year!= Please visit... http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/40HourFamine2007.= htm ...to find out more.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "ai= lith@neo.rr.com" =0ATo: Historical Costume =0ASent: Thursday, 16 August, 2007 11:47:51 AM=0ASubject: [h-cost] = Looking for detail of image ca. 1510=0A=0A=0AGreetings.=0A=0AI'm looking fo= r detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto:=0A=0Ahttp://www.nati= onalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=3DBARTOLOMEO%2C+Veneto&mode=3Dartist&= frm=3D1=0A=0ASpecifically, I'm looking for a detail of the tulip motifs on = the=0Acamica. I remember seeing one, but, of course, can't find it now.=0A= =0AThanks so much.=0A=0Akate=0A=0A=0A ________________________________= ____________________________________________________=0AGet the World's numb= er 1 free email service.=0Ahttp://mail.yahoo.com.au=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 15:59:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJxnuE030377 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:59:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HJxmon026614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:59:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HHPdQ0070128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HHPbds013756; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HHPXGX013653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.150] (209-148-118-150.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l7HHPVFj003532 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: <46C5DA0E.4010809@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:25:34 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... References: <16a2233a0708171011s23346255i82b8b672c3b92ca7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0708171011s23346255i82b8b672c3b92ca7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbfff548-4635-410f-8108-f3c7d7383aa8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C5FE34.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Hanging the shirt on a peg. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Hi! > > I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below > the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a > little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? > > Thanks! > > Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 15:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJxrIq030407 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HJxmop026614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:59:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HHBaOj067360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:11:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HHBM5X095710; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HHBIs8095556 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so629026mue for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:11:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mpK0d/sMRjYP3Sm3PigoiAazYejmogkMb38rXaFLwXpYfzxNDg4IOYyt6Vxh8nbNuKUjEWlfCYIR5PN94CFXxeZhI3YignvVqP2e1azjCtRoJp4qX0k+kY/ZggX3eD13oqe+a98lMcqBlvd2LrwS+gdWlADrXseNGRuez9qi42k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uQHzu5Gu+QJllj7JmfIZeBV9Um8gjuiU6yIzZPpYtqjaTAtsJ0YffRG+TLPx57oHbz/YFhs9n4wZcyrKCTOMdGd00W0z0vAJfm2PWVCkT5Qpnm0acEI2gqavw7sSjrl8tYIYYRLsPe5D2fZBF2OGU8E87ZfKTK05tLzvOgmiNlQ= Received: by 10.82.189.6 with SMTP id m6mr4802147buf.1187370670780; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.119.19 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0708171011s23346255i82b8b672c3b92ca7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:11:10 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a226eca7-9b67-49d1-a4b7-212df30161b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C5FE34.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Hi! I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? Thanks! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 16:03:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HK3hZa031806 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:03:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HK3eEI006762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7H5O22B060609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:24:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H5O17r014011; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H5Numw013944 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 23631628-1928045 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:24:49 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [61.69.3.168]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8l) with ESMTP id 122366869-1928045 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:13:48 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070816233949.0284d760@pop.radiks.net> References: <200708162040.l7GKeDO2015759@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070816233949.0284d760@pop.radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: A Gardiner-Garden Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Ironing Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:24:06 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-SpamDetect: : -1.000000 Aspam=-1.0 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 12, in=52, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=61.69.3.168 X-Originating-IP: 61.69.3.168 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 03c955b0-9d7f-4961-bc70-8705d27a776c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C5FF1C.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:03:45 -0400 (EDT) How do you use blueing? I have some in my cupboard. Thanks, Aylwen On 17/08/2007, at 2:43 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > 2A - Old fashioned bluing. The blue will cancel out the yellowing > and make the fabric appear whiter. > > 2B - Sorry, don't know that one. > > Sandy > > At 03:40 PM 8/16/2007, you wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:06:53 -0400 >> From: "Penny Ladnier" >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t >> >> I do have a couple of question about ironing. >> >> 2. I had some 100% white cotton Priscilla curtains that I need to >> iron. I >> paid a lot of money for these curtains and really love them. In >> the past >> years, I starched them to remove the wrinkles. The last time that >> I washed >> them, they were yellowed from the starch. I bleached them but >> can't get rid >> of the yellow tinge. >> 2A. Is there another way to get rid of the yellow tinge? >> 2B. Is there something other than starching to assist keeping the >> curtains >> crisp longer? >> >> Penny Ladnier, > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 16:25:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HKP4uk007942 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:25:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HKP4WZ031719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:25:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HHv89Y075831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:57:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HHv2pt051547; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:57:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HHuu9k051350 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bc6.179d5626 (41809) for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:56:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:56:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6accaabb-d1a9-4c6e-b2a0-2f2bd77a40dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C60420.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:25:08 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders *************** BTW.... this is called a "yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 16:25:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HKP5dh007951 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:25:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HKP4Wb031719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HI2Eae076999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HI29a7057400; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HI1wVY057152 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bcd.10ddb1d2 (39954) for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:01:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:01:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a25b76d0-751f-42c9-ab84-72a91d9c5132 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C60420.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:25:09 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:57:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: BTW.... this is called a "yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. ************* Hahahahaha... that should be YOKE, not yolk! I just made 2 fried eggs and was eating them when I posted. Funny how the mind works.... or doesn't work in this case. Well at least it wasn't my usual typo of "Waist of time"! [Is that anything like "in the neck of time"?] ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 16:31:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HKVW0E010572 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:31:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HKVMTC005291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:31:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HKTrXg006912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HKTkAH022543; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HKTfSi022446 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (202-78-152-208.cable.telstraclear.net [202.78.152.208]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JMX0077BQ9C7000@smtp3.clear.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:29:36 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:29:36 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <46C60530.4030306@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f415c34-6f3e-485c-a823-2a78e8bbcaff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C6059A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HLSRgo020787 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HLSRpM017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HILhIn081567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HILgRt081198; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HI4tV9060384 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 597347061-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.52.105 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FALN/xUZPSDRp/2dsb2JhbACBUw Received: from 79-72-52-105.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.52.105]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 17 Aug 2007 19:04:47 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070817190341.032bc948@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:04:42 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0b7acb7-5918-48a6-87c2-be5bbc95d03b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C612FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:31 -0400 (EDT) At 18:56 17/08/2007, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > >the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders > > >*************** > > >BTW.... this is called a "yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. I have always thought it was a yoke, as in the thing mikmaids carry on the shoulders with buckets hanging off. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HLSTIq020790 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HLSRpO017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HIGQwU080031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIGPSi074485; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HAZYpn070562 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 23574438-1928045 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:35:23 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [210.11.147.49]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8l) with ESMTP id 122628104-1928045 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:25:24 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5B73D730-153D-44EB-BBFA-6B9ABD3BC8A2@netspeed.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: A Gardiner-Garden Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:35:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-SpamDetect: : -3.000000 ShareWhite=-2.0, Aspam=-1.0 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-ShareWhite: 210.11.147.49 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=5, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.11.147.49 X-Originating-IP: 210.11.147.49 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 561cc1b4-7b11-428f-b69e-a547e539c4e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C612FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:33 -0400 (EDT) I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm trying to put a proposal together. Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HLSVPB020797 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HLSRpQ017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HIapoA084586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIalk1098747; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIactL098435 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so538530fkq for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:36:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KA29AeVXwi3szSUVKYgjg8IrsJuR6ib2r9z+iOl7q8Ao28lqQ/tKC27teEh4fg5lajdM5TfNgXIxJCDZrghGhRUCR+X/hVrj+EnwwsehPDBHaWTl4Gb382c/RevTth2PGpOebS/r4Kl025s3CWT3qVSLKux34VDZQMyem7PhGHQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SGdTicveJXVcse2+dfOAYguNit1mY+od1It2boxUKcinwKWyuVou8jGLs09aVUcCXxydvHwDU21mzd0+JNMm7NPMtJY/evVcFXd8PZmyRcld08+LKWnYca/T7m388ULZnzSaUOw2bxQvvJNRRPGlbJIw1AMClu7fQK96BB4VDZs= Received: by 10.82.186.5 with SMTP id j5mr4914953buf.1187375789691; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.178.20 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660708171136l2fb51c9r725965aac1c5dfc8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:36:29 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <467604.44636.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f84626e4-9611-4552-a06a-bd9a2b490eea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C612FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:35 -0400 (EDT) How is your friend going to reproduce them? ~ Bridgette On 8/17/07, ailith@neo.rr.com wrote: > > Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I > wanted to give her the best image possible. > > kate > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HLSWcL020801 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HLSRpS017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HIXnl7084001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIXlbQ095349; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIXgmb095151 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070817183337.DHGG6119.fep34.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:33:37 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.132]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070817183337.TBRU8421.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:33:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c7e0fd$22244ae0$8414a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <16a2233a0708171011s23346255i82b8b672c3b92ca7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:33:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.132] at Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:33:35 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 071cf4e4-7f23-477c-9b05-11e640bddf2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C612FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Hi, Isnt that just a loop to hang up the shirt with? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... > Hi! > > I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below > the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a > little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? > > Thanks! > > Audrey > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HLSYrj020806 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HLSRpU017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HIK9TP081221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIK6Yi079248; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:20:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HHcioV029674 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so527459fkq for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:38:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a/hxZ6zfRa9cXK0SvFI2wdqxF6Gdb3urHIO7MYMLKUekLxajpdPeKRWTnl2ibp0FKvucuPzAxPRPO6B0XHvCTHkAOblVhI/SFcYToSE3XK14WJjWW7giWvDpEuGUhicD/9L0erbr0TEFggznj+5PKbGzyLYdLqFQQQjlkNmejLY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QgcVK32xHC5m/Q3OVR+X0NpzXmtOIQ5cMpPNib+wa65fZopsOdAUjvwkjSk+/BQWXag0qujPvp1hngcbkqyer9wCXZcQM6DgXcc7JiQLxMgcndPG6aQuGuyZMywnQTc+E5CDyzfqV40UZ8RKC4LdMBUpWNlYh8ca591aIIRDGPs= Received: by 10.82.175.17 with SMTP id x17mr4856784bue.1187372319520; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.119.19 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0708171038u38109c7fsd33c7d1d3ed2aa7e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:38:39 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... In-Reply-To: <46C5DA0E.4010809@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <16a2233a0708171011s23346255i82b8b672c3b92ca7@mail.gmail.com> <46C5DA0E.4010809@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0a7ef18-58b4-41d1-860e-7b9daa7e4e78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C612FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Seriously? Wow... I was so sure it was a leftover from some weird forgotten function... Everybody I know hangs the shirt by the collar, not the loop, so the obvious didn't even occur to me... Thanks! On 8/17/07, Lavolta Press wrote: > Hanging the shirt on a peg. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HLSbC4020824 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HLSRpW017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HIGqGD080118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIGohG075005; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (levanto.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HApWu8082959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-151-12.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.151.12] helo=GilgameshII) by levanto.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILzQL-0007wD-SV for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:21:26 +0930 Message-ID: <006201c7e0bc$8ec64360$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200708162040.l7GKeDO4015759@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:21:25 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 380 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cf96cc6-ae95-4de4-badf-b1fcadb83a4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C612FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:41 -0400 (EDT) > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:06:53 -0400 > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <009501c7dfd4$096037f0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I wonder if this cooling method comes from mothers who put out their > laundry > on the clothesline in the winter and the fabric froze. I had not > experienced the freezing laundering syndrome until we moved to Illinois. > My > son's cloth diapers froze stiff on the clothesline. From all my years of > living in the Deep South, I had not experienced frozen laundry until then. > We didn't have a clothes dryer in our apartment and I had to iron his > diapers. At the time, we were snowed in for a week. > > A friend of mine grew up in Nebraska. She told me that her grandmother > ironed everything year round. I recall my mother ironing sheets and > pillowcases. > My mother was born in a coal-mining town. She said you never hung your washing out when the wind was blowing in certain directions because it would turn black! My grandmother was also a mad ironer (she probably still would be if she spent much time at home these days). She used to iron undies and tea-towels. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HLScKx020829 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HLSRpY017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HIIVxW080719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIITr6077218; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HEaVD3095129 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.14]) by bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:36:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:36:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.230.100 by BAY133-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:36:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.230.100] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:34:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:34:51 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2007 14:36:25.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD6F2DD0:01C7E0DB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Calio Day Dresses- was Vogue Tags/Label X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3acaaa3c-a7d0-473f-bf59-9fe8ddbc91af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C612FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Hey Cynthia - I am curious if you know or if you know someone who could = give me input on two fabrics I am thinking about using for recreations = of Civil "warish"/frontier dresses. Maybe a better way to ask the = question would be where in the 1800 - 1900 period would these fabrics = best be used and in what gown. Got tons of both fabrics... I tried looking at some fabric dating books, but was unable to come up = with any "sureity" of my choices. I love making up new words! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cin=20 To: h-cost=20 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vogue Tags/Label At 01:44 AM 13/08/2007, you wrote: It's pity RJR & the Smithsonian stopped collaborating on those. It was a great way to find historical prints for day dresses. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 17:28:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HLSeXS020833 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HLSRpa017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HIEbZC079366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:14:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIEYQ5071971; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7H7NTIC012838 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7H7NPCc014541 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JMW00AXLPV1BM@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.105] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:23:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:23:25 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 In-reply-to: <467604.44636.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <467604.44636.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62670e68-792e-48cd-924b-8f9ab9d4cc0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C612FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I wanted to give her the best image possible. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: Bella Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:13 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 To: Historical Costume > Hi Kate, > > a while back on the Italian Renaissance Costuming yahoo group, > Salvi posted a link to a scan she had made of this image. It's > HUGE...my copy is 26.4Mb. > > I've done a quick search of the archives and will post it here for > you (be warned - it's huge!) > > http://www.outoftheattic.biz/images/bartolomeo.jpg > > A link to the message itself: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/message/4998 > > > Bella, The Realm of Venus > I'm doing the World Vision 40 Hour Famine this year! Please > visit... http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/40HourFamine2007.htm ...to find out more. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "ailith@neo.rr.com" > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2007 11:47:51 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 > > > Greetings. > > I'm looking for detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto: > > http://www.nationalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=BARTOLOMEO%2C+Veneto&mode=artist&frm=1 > > Specifically, I'm looking for a detail of the tulip motifs on the > camica. I remember seeing one, but, of course, can't find it now. > > Thanks so much. > > kate > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the World's number 1 free email service. > http://mail.yahoo.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 18:16:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HMGJ49029172 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:16:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HMGJKS018197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:16:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HIiYqB086119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIiVHX007432; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HIiSuQ007284 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:44:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BAY106-W19 ([65.54.161.119]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:44:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.59.130.27] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:44:22 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2007 18:44:22.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0E9CB60:01C7E0FE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ab4db3c-100c-489c-bede-fdfdfbd788e4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C61E33.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Yolks are for eggs. Yokes are for shirts. And oxen. :-) > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:56:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... > To: h-costume@indra.com > CC:=20 >=20 > =20 > In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 > fran@lavoltapress.com writes: >=20 > the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders >=20 >=20 > *************** > =20 > =20 > BTW.... this is called a "yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AO= L at=20 > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 18:31:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HMV245031726 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HMV2Zi003220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HJMNN8096321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJMGiY048634; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:22:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJMAvM048549 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.176.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.176]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IM7Ob-00043t-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:22:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0708171038u38109c7fsd33c7d1d3ed2aa7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <16a2233a0708171011s23346255i82b8b672c3b92ca7@mail.gmail.com> <46C5DA0E.4010809@lavoltapress.com> <16a2233a0708171038u38109c7fsd33c7d1d3ed2aa7e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D3D8AB6-7CFC-4213-B3D6-F09FFBBA3D07@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:23:55 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6793a72d-de94-4965-ae81-27f8916355e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C621A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:06 -0400 (EDT) In fact I've heard it referred to as a "locker loop." --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Seriously? Wow... I was so sure it was a leftover from some weird > forgotten function... Everybody I know hangs the shirt by the collar, > not the loop, so the obvious didn't even occur to me... > > Thanks! > > On 8/17/07, Lavolta Press wrote: >> Hanging the shirt on a peg. >> >> Fran >> Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 18:31:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HMV3k0031727 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HMV2Zk003220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HJSjmL097311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJShbR055598; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJScKs055399 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.104]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:28:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:28:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:28:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.214.25] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5B73D730-153D-44EB-BBFA-6B9ABD3BC8A2@netspeed.com.au> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:28:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2007 19:28:32.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC668CA0:01C7E104] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b880d596-e3e6-47da-a083-6c37986a9779 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C621A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:07 -0400 (EDT) How about "Over, Under, Around ...Through the Ages" >From: A Gardiner-Garden >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:35:44 +1000 > >I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - >showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? And >ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm trying >to put a proposal together. > >Thanks, Aylwen >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 18:31:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HMV4dh031731 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HMV2Zm003220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HJJE3N095994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJJAKS045031; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.217]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJJ3ss044771 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.107]) by bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:18:58 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:18:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:18:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.214.25] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0708171011s23346255i82b8b672c3b92ca7@mail.gmail.com> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:18:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2007 19:18:58.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[75ED5CB0:01C7E103] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 013d4b7f-3da0-437f-8278-7adc1cc5546e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C621A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Audrey, When I was growing up in the Pleistocene, my brothers told me they were called "fairy hooks", and were there for the purpose of grabbing (and ripping the guy's shirt, I suppose). No idea what they might be a remnant of though. Here's some more on the phrase (scroll down to see "fruit loop" and "fag tag"): http://wordwizard.com/ch_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19517& Laurie >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:11:10 -0400 > >Hi! > >I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below >the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a >little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? > >Thanks! > >Audrey >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 18:33:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HMX1oi032081 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:33:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HMX1cF005010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HMUhmx029935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HMUdHd056318; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HMUZmA056145 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1187389824-5b6600720002-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 9A61B5FD6F2 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id ZHBVlvkJakyegO8G for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800681BD4 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:30:29 +0200 Message-ID: <02ca01c7e11e$588554f0$0c00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:31:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1187389829 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c89ce47-91d2-4fe2-b616-da02e77f5e5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C6221D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Great scan! I too was almost positive I'd seen a larger image posted on some list somewhere, though I could easily be thinking of some other chemise with similar black ribbons. It looks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem end of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this to work, right? The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pulling out of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me. -E House (I've really got to start experimenting with cast pewter.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 19:03:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HN3ZIV005502 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:03:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7HN3ZtP026359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:03:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7HJkVVo000133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJkTcY074324; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7HJkPX6074248 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8343365B8 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:46:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72b63937-9ecc-4142-937d-6ad57a225c0a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C62947.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Will they be enameled or is she going the embroidery route? De -----Original Message----- Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I wanted to give her the best image possible. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 21:16:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I1Gehs021345 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:16:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7I1GdGL019117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:16:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7I1G8we053924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I1G3cs097227; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I1G1hh097138 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so681113rvf for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:15:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tPoa2IpcodBK0Jp7NjaifaNfaz5otK0rJfN3ZZAafEcJ9AozWXip2X1IMJzaQ6isoboHQBnuN09ThSITsLgI/4FpamzniIWrAdzBUbk10ltQC5a2/T+pa2gX3hVTpxYTbYZAk3lg/KA0JBIKmAgK1Fq8anZDCl8K7jiJ/BVjEOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=haq75L3o4iOS5AM8naUpVFKf5qq8jaRqEj1QJLu7d2IWf7N8S1zlvr6z1kc3+HFjHzPpZneWQ//Z4ae4oNO0bpvQqA/mRPDUDrv9VHhevIshPrMmXV5xOtpT02l4uJeU0RP+hHMrKjT6Y1ZF2horfc59LK+RKXk/EhpECB1xDZo= Received: by 10.142.12.14 with SMTP id 14mr213659wfl.1187399756075; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:15:56 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 470d4725-b86c-48f8-b30b-84f5089a14b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C64878.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:16:44 -0400 (EDT) >I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - >showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? >Thanks, Aylwen Well, the undergarments section should be called "A Brief History". --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 21:58:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I1wSjD023135 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:58:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7I1wSRY007042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:58:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7I1w4xp061304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I1w37p034206; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7I1kRmD023878 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 10671 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2007 01:46:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=F/UaVtAAv4LR9aCK5cyEtdLkMha1++w3MVw1EaDS9ZpsgoKlKw1ZZ9PYR4OoSV3Fmp3E8jcFN0HRQ1NI5mZcIXT+IJzRr4SydNYO73F4606e3pcVYGOTJtypQpTzvUG6orDv1sSL+EbMDg658qw6gCXJsCLewsQWEkpr//SIXpk=; X-YMail-OSG: rufOYaoVM1lV3JEwosAG6vcvfpkVCKi5Go5hqNQI5RF6ixnOAPI5vSbgATMuuJfV_jK98D6VHGuQES0q.MtYUN8HYQMNKnt4ZCTllZNF4lusRHjVRdkLEzJbjEkNSQ-- Received: from [209.191.106.123] by web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:46:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <338947.10326.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ad215bd-ff47-4d33-a25f-5e01d6743088 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C65244.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:58:32 -0400 (EDT) ----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: E House =0ASub= ject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510=0A =0A>>>It l= ooks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem =0Aen= d of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this = =0Ato work, right? The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pullin= g =0Aout of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me.<<<=0A=0A= =0AYep, I agree. Definitely metal, and enamel. I would guess that pure gold= would be too soft, but brass doesn't seem quite right. Anyone know whether= gold plated silver existed in this period (early 16th century)? I'm not su= re if I'm correctly remembering a reference to gold coated/plated/covered s= ilver, akin to our moderm vermeil.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABella, The Realm of Venus= =0AI'm doing the World Vision 40 Hour Famine this year! Please visit... htt= p://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/40HourFamine2007.htm ...to find out m= ore.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________= ____________________________=0AFeel safe with award winning spam protection= on Yahoo!7 Mail.=0Ahttp://mail.yahoo.com.au=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 22:56:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I2uptZ025513 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:56:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7I2upCB013355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:56:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7I2uMQD069534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I2uK9W083791; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:56:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I2uHs7083749 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1IMEU40Maz-0008WQ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:56:17 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c7e143$54431790$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:56:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+iZ5WNyQ90jAvVmimGs77RGw3pip0BDs1BHU6 JSMT7avVPIWOT+R5u/KLu5b7KSgz7aOyXxEdudBlcEJahssmeq NNJ9DJmuDld+toykPxRMA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Aniline Dyes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97c42cb7-e03f-4e7c-a057-aaf8555cfa2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C65FF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Can anyone please point me to a webpage that states when aniline dyes = were no longer used in clothing and perfumes. I did a search on Google = and haven't come up with an exact date. Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 23:20:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I3KVKJ026483 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:20:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7I3KVu0012497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:20:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7I3K68m073325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:20:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I3K5xc004082; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I3Ju2o003916 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:20:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 43AEB3AF24 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:19:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:20:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <338947.10326.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b77f298-4385-48e2-bda0-dad8e565bb2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C6657F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:20:36 -0400 (EDT) A weak sub would be to make embroidered appliques, then attaching a metal ring towards the stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique the tulip to the camicia. De ----- Original Message ---- >>>It looks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem end of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this to work, right? The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pulling out of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me.<<< Yep, I agree. Definitely metal, and enamel. I would guess that pure gold would be too soft, but brass doesn't seem quite right. Anyone know whether gold plated silver existed in this period (early 16th century)? I'm not sure if I'm correctly remembering a reference to gold coated/plated/covered silver, akin to our moderm vermeil. Bella, The Realm of Venus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 17 23:44:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I3imLm027444 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:44:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7I3imW7020543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:44:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7I3WXTa074649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I3WVCX013920; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7I3WRvV013799 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 22724 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2007 03:32:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=TxrMIDYrIlPihW/KUyQ1Jz2xSLXPHqFpBmyqZZ0W9TgA3pislww+2ZvtIbG8fVX7flEOmux0gpES7AeB0p6it8VYgMgGDjQs1qutmM0s126vGYW9LBsjbNs2PHHez/ppay91OrphIcHSNtpWyGf/2uxq2IjKD6NxDCQ7mT2zBOI=; X-YMail-OSG: Wx05lBcVM1mp4fo2PWt_aIuvNdTz1c4JAhJ0yKhi.IGfMXfMgyIljus7MQC6EilV7g-- Received: from [209.191.118.121] by web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:32:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <458709.21619.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2713ef9-7a19-403b-8ca0-8a7de6013f5d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C66B30.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:44:52 -0400 (EDT) ----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: otsisto =0ASubject:= RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510=0A=0A>>>A weak sub would= be to make embroidered appliques, then attaching a metal=0Aring towards th= e stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique the tulip=0Ato the cami= cia.<<<=0A=0A=0ABrilliant! That would work a treat. :-)=0A=0A=0A=0ABella=0A= =0A=0A _______________________________________________________________= _____________________=0ASick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free = unlimited storage.=0Ahttp://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 18 00:55:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I4tLWB029979 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:55:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7I4tHPh023096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:55:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7I4pEWC083896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I4pBsc071486; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I4p8Zt071449 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-tst2 [10.24.12.17]) by ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7I4p6lp000783 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JMY000Y1DH6H6@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.105] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:51:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:51:06 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 In-reply-to: <458709.21619.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <9158a1ddfeb0.feb09158a1dd@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <458709.21619.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f82416c7-ba70-471d-a149-0fb5146f423f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C67BB5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:55:26 -0400 (EDT) A dear friend of mine is going to cast pewter tulips for me. Since the gown that I made is amethyst, silver/pewter will look very spiff. I'm also planning to color the tulips - a friend of mine makes SCA award medallions and paints them. They still look metallic, but the color is nice and even. kate PS: Thanks so much for the posting of the large image. I do appreciate it! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bella Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 To: Historical Costume > ----- Original Message ---- > From: otsisto > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 > > >>>A weak sub would be to make embroidered appliques, then > attaching a metal > ring towards the stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique > the tulip > to the camicia.<<< > > > Brilliant! That would work a treat. :-) > > > > Bella > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick of deleting your inbox? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:11:23 -0400 (EDT) ----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "ailith@neo.rr.com" = =0ASubject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510=0A=0A>>>A dea= r friend of mine is going to cast pewter tulips for me. Since the=0Agown th= at I made is amethyst, silver/pewter will look very spiff. I'm=0Aalso plann= ing to color the tulips - a friend of mine makes SCA award=0Amedallions an= d paints them. They still look metallic, but the color is=0Anice and even.<= <<=0A=0AThat will look gorgeous! Amethyst and silver - YUM! =0A=0AI have fr= iends that are great with brass and pewter, and I must admit I've been thin= king of showing this to them and asking if they could make me some in eithe= r brass or vermeil, simply because I prefer gold and love it with black lik= e in the portrait. I wonder if painting pewter with gold paint would work. = =0A=0A=0A>>>PS: Thanks so much for the posting of the large image. I do app= reciate it!<<<<=0A=0AOh, you're very welcome, and I'm glad it's been of hel= p, but it was Salvi's scan to begin with, she deserves the thanks. :-)=0A= =0A=0A=0ABella=0A=0A=0A ______________________________________________= ______________________________________=0ASick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo= !7 Mail has free unlimited storage.=0Ahttp://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimit= edstorage.html=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 18 03:21:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I7Lt2T026233 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:21:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7I7LtYe012632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:21:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7I7LMHn003403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:21:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I7LJMQ080795; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:21:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7I7LGa6080735 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:21:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GZOydUG+WA0soS7kxMeFKSCo7sATvzaTq+E0COJc4Qa2NdncJfoZkk9EPc1kdshI; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.0.241.138] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IMIcV-0003dQ-Dh for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:21:15 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22007861872117953@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:21:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799714e7f7d3ba289fa82976bdc7b2344c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.0.241.138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8487d24-6304-447b-bd0a-83610fbbb2c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C69E13.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Its a remnant before hangers when clothes were just hung up. Silvara > [Original Message] > From: zelda crusher > To: > Date: 8/17/2007 12:18:53 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... > > Audrey, > When I was growing up in the Pleistocene, my brothers told me they were > called "fairy hooks", and were there for the purpose of grabbing (and > ripping the guy's shirt, I suppose). No idea what they might be a remnant > of though. Here's some more on the phrase (scroll down to see "fruit loop" > and "fag tag"): > > http://wordwizard.com/ch_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19517& > > Laurie > > > >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > >Reply-To: Historical Costume > >To: "Historical Costume" > >Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... > >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:11:10 -0400 > > > >Hi! > > > >I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below > >the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a > >little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Audrey > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > See what you’re getting into…before you go there > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 18 10:52:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IEqMEC003783 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:52:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7IEqMnn013612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:52:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7IEpiRF072608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IEpeh9068908; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IEpbAV068783 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:51:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070818145132.LZIJ21908.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:51:32 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id dSrV1X00e3Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:51:31 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:51:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c7e1a7$424e3c40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0236F257@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23985b3c-e7b1-47c8-9243-21021d3d7ecf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C707A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:52:26 -0400 (EDT) My grandmother did the "dampen and chill" method for ironing the cotton muslin curtains in our house. She made them for every room, including the mile-a-minute crochet lace to go on them. After she got too old to do it, my mother took up the tradition. Me, I barely have curtains at all, and the ones I do are not the ironing kind. I always thought they did it because they couldn't get to the whole stack of curtains at once, so putting them in the refrigerator kept any chance of mildewing from happening. (We didn't have AC at that time) That, and having the fabric uniformly damp was faster and easier than refilling the water reservoir on the iron all the time. Just now, I found this on the web- This is quoted from the book Laundry by Robert Doyle- he founded the wardrobe dept of a live theater and also was one of the first instructors at Costume Studies at Dalhousie University. He gives the reason for chilling the fabrics. "after drying, garments to be ironed are best sprinkled with warm water to dampen them thoroughly, then each garment rolled up into a tight ball, placing each into a plastic bag and into the refrigerator for a couple of hours so that the items are thoroughly dampened and chilled. .... then with a dry iron, set at the cotton setting, proceed to iron out the wrinkles ... the dampened and chilled garments will iron more efficiently since the iron glides effortlessly over the chilled fabric." He also writes that heavier irons work better than lightweight ones and that a dry iron with a mist bottle works better than a steam iron. This is on cotton and linen fabrics. So, still no date or "ah ha" moment, but one can deduce that the practice must have started sometime after refrigerators became common household appliances. It would not have been mentioned in a book in 1894 because people were still using actual ice boxes at that time, which really weren't big enough to toss in sheets and such! At least that's my theory, YMMV. :D (Interesting info on the history of refrigerators, here: http://www.history.com/exhibits/modern/fridge.html) ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:20 AM I am wondering where the cooling the linen before ironing originated. Some of you mentioned that your mothers taught you to do this. It makes me wonder if this method was something that was passed down through the generations. I checked in my 1894 Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods and cooling the linen is not mentioned. Penny Ladnier, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 18 15:12:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IJCLno013726 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:12:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7IJCLNf019247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7IJBj1M013454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IJBebd094009; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IJBXlS093872 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:11:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070818191128.GVBK4104.fep35.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:11:28 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.248]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070818191128.TMKX12123.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:11:28 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c7e1cb$9682e580$f843a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:11:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.67.248] at Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:11:20 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f1ab20a-3fb6-4a81-a800-e54931a8932e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C74495.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Just wanted to let you know that the ironing of my cambric linnen went very well. I sprayed it with water and took it into a plastic bag for the night, and it was ready. Worked like a dream. Maybe also because it is such a fine weave and light. Its going to be my best shirt and stock cravats ever............... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 18 15:33:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IJXYjS014620 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:33:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7IJXTow031999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:33:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7IJUnwl015342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:30:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IJUnZZ008812; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7IJUj57008775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l7IJUj8A031490 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:30:45 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ironing washed linen--warning Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: <000001c7e1a7$424e3c40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b0c7500-cf05-4f9b-8924-a42b839d33bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C74989.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:33:38 -0400 (EDT) > Linda Quoting Robert Doyle: > He also writes that heavier irons work better than lightweight ones and > that a dry iron with a mist bottle works better than a steam iron. This > is on cotton and linen fabrics. I have found that I want the heaviest iron I can find when I have to do it. The heavier iron discourages the wrinkles better than the "feather-weights" that they brought out in the 1950's or so. Of course I don't have anything like the amount of ironing that my mother used to. Thankfully most of my clothing is wash and wear or wash and touch up. I'm old fashioned enough that I usually iron clothing, but it's usually just before I put it on. Sheets can un-wrinkle on the bed even though most are permanent press now. My lace curtains are genuine dead dinosaur and the wrinkles fall out if I just hang them while damp with the little plastic roller hooks that I brought back from Germany. Regina > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 18 21:36:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J1a7wS028955 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:36:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7J1a4G6000509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:36:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7J1WDqB060874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J1W0nO072116; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J1Vwbe072013 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.24] (helo=mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IMZXs-0000T8-Ps for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:25:36 -0400 Received: from 207.69.137.7 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <25210176.1187487110648.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:31:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVC To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69cd2e0d51b703a7b69bbe5fbccaec45b4548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Looking for images and/or suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be22540b-765b-4119-bf8c-dd5a8d5cb89b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C79E84.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Hi all! Later this year I expect to costume a modern play (present time) featuring cowboys and others. The characters are: a real cowboy a very youthful wannabe cowboy a dude ranch cowboy an English professor disguised as a cowboy a small town barfly a TV cameraman and, a woman barkeep a college student waitress (female) a woman television documentary producer a modern camp following floozie Setting is a small dried up western town. The costume plots are done, all pieces and colors set,except for a Saturday night at the bar for the floozie. I thought it would be fun to have your ideas and information before doing the renderings. I seldom do a modern piece and you gave me great help the last time you were consulted, that I wanted to invite you to try this. Thank you. Audy - achasedesign in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 00:20:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J4Jxqx003665 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:20:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7J4Jxs1028815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7J46rJe078984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J46o4M070743; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63710.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63710.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7J46ljl070665 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13270 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2007 04:06:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2YlT9AnRR+xlRfjUlehZQM0OogC1Fr7/YYoAna3e8hLscfQose5hbA/5KQLLNmhhYNG6n9HghfdXgbfJhglTKh2ofZaz1ps23rbFU08VCOKoG9lG06AAz1IPlnykIxS4elWtY7VnaDpdcfvZdkO0NqLYskVx56pPVjk2MLKa+UE=; X-YMail-OSG: Mrf6hakVM1ltCiZO1RuXgPAcwLOP7E1hAiEEopsqQotIIQUQcOU0xlsqTn00glBJn1IQVyipoV6EvefqDJMMC5_ogxIokU9zMrV6F4lMZo4LZf4RBQKA9H2hsZFg3Y.D Received: from [68.98.142.13] by web63710.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:06:41 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: RE: [h-cost] Just a test To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <871098.10615.qm@web63710.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C7C4EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:20:03 -0400 (EDT) battery operated small but powerful desk fanAND the batteries fo run it + elbow of PVC pipe + Styrofoam cooler just big enough for one package of block ice + large block of ice + one very sharp knife e-mail me if you need "distructions" to go along with this "parts list" it made the 10-15 degrees difference in my pavillion at night so i could sew with my ttreadle and only break a sweat as upposed to pass out from the heat! Bambi otsisto wrote: Small note for the future. Coleman makes battery operated tent ceiling fans. :) -----Original Message----- Definitely too much rain. When not raining, too much heat and humidity! But I had a great time all the same. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 01:19:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J5JWd6006691 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:19:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7J5IWPR014716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:18:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7J5FqDZ086326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J5FkHX009551; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J5Fhfo009508 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1IMd8X18gp-0008IN; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:15:42 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c7e21f$f69c4b10$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c7e1a7$424e3c40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen and misc. Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:15:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/i+DIL31oA/Uv9+LckLdJuqTyW+lslt6kSQFN UmIxUQqV7Irm+Qu0V2veXHKbn3PnVmPASK+gDuRrpJksDwQ1H7 3nkVWDb4v08BuqeeQ1nIw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C7D2A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Thank you Linda for the Robert Doyle source. I don't think my mother had a frig when she was growing up. Her mother was very old-fashioned, so I am curious for her response. My mother visits us for two months every year. Last year, she taught me how to starch the 1950s petticoats and dollies. Oh, how I hated wearing those scratchy petticoats when I was little. But the starching dollies stiff really works! Mom said that the dollies with special designs like ripples will stand up for six months. And the ones we starched did. She said during the six months when they get dusty just pick them up and shake them. I did this and they keep their form! I also liked the frig history webpage you recommended. Thank goodness for the frost-free frig! Boy, I hated to defrost the frig and freezer when I was a kid! It was my chore. This is way off topic but it deals with the ice... I am hooked on the Modern Marvels show this summer. This week one episode was about the history of tea. It was really interesting. They quoted that the U.S. is the only country that drinks tea with ice. Why is the U.S. the only one? Who came up with the idea of drinking tea with ice? Our family has been discussing this all week. We are serious ice tea drinkers. My last trip to England, I visited some of my costumer friends. I was dying for ice tea. I asked them if I could make some. I wish I had a video camera for their reaction while watching my son and me drink a half gallon of ice in a few hours. They just thought that we were destroying the art of drinking tea. My husband declares the Mason/Dixon line is in Fredericksburg, VA. He is a real Southern Gent and needs to have his sweet ice tea with lunch and dinner. When we travel to DC, the last place he can get sweet tea is Fredericksburg. And we hear him gripe if we eat a meal in DC because of the unsweet tea. I kept waiting in the Modern Marvel show for them to discuss the ice tea history. But they never did. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 01:27:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J5R9qO006938 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:27:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7J5Q9nZ021133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:26:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7J5KKqd086621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:20:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J5KJfA011767; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J5KHi8011737 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1IMdCx2CtV-0008Kn; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c7e220$9be6e620$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c7e1a7$424e3c40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> <007601c7e21f$f69c4b10$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:20:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+ldZOqYspENx5TDSB9apIPleUbtud3pAGMQ3 FftF5+lg6tBPst3J57v2SbHoH4xpNgldzzMbr7RCHNEP4liEr0 8r43a+bmVTTm12vr0cbkg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re :tea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C7D471.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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From Modern Marvels tea episode: http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=214205 Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 03:33:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J7XnUq012081 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:33:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7J7WilC004681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:32:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7J7VSTo003070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J7VNP4001438; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7J7VJ63001396 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7J7VIo4027561 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JN000AXXFK6RX@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.109] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:31:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:31:18 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com In-reply-to: <007601c7e21f$f69c4b10$6801a8c0@momlaptop> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <90a98b89b010.b01090a98b89@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <000001c7e1a7$424e3c40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> <007601c7e21f$f69c4b10$6801a8c0@momlaptop> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ice, was: ironing washed linen and misc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C7F21D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Years ago, I visited Germany and was amazed that a good deal of the country drank soft drinks at room temperature. When I was visiting Berlin, we went out to an Italian restaurant for dinner. I had a heck of a time making the waiter understand that I wanted tap water with ice in it! He looked at me like I had suddenly sprouted another head. :-) I got the same reaction in London when I requested iced water at breakfast. The staff got used to the request and began bringing a pitcher of iced water every morning. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Ladnier Date: Sunday, August 19, 2007 1:17 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linen and misc. To: Historical Costume > Thank you Linda for the Robert Doyle source. I don't think my > mother had a > frig when she was growing up. Her mother was very old-fashioned, so > I am > curious for her response. > > My mother visits us for two months every year. Last year, she > taught me how > to starch the 1950s petticoats and dollies. Oh, how I hated > wearing those > scratchy petticoats when I was little. But the starching dollies > stiff > really works! Mom said that the dollies with special designs like > ripples > will stand up for six months. And the ones we starched did. She > said > during the six months when they get dusty just pick them up and > shake them. > I did this and they keep their form! > > I also liked the frig history webpage you recommended. Thank > goodness for > the frost-free frig! Boy, I hated to defrost the frig and freezer > when I > was a kid! It was my chore. > > This is way off topic but it deals with the ice... > I am hooked on the Modern Marvels show this summer. This week one > episode > was about the history of tea. It was really interesting. They > quoted that > the U.S. is the only country that drinks tea with ice. Why is the > U.S. the > only one? Who came up with the idea of drinking tea with ice? Our > family > has been discussing this all week. We are serious ice tea > drinkers. My > last trip to England, I visited some of my costumer friends. I was > dying > for ice tea. I asked them if I could make some. I wish I had a > video > camera for their reaction while watching my son and me drink a half > gallon > of ice in a few hours. They just thought that we were destroying > the art of > drinking tea. My husband declares the Mason/Dixon line is in > Fredericksburg, > VA. He is a real Southern Gent and needs to have his sweet ice tea > with > lunch and dinner. When we travel to DC, the last place he can get > sweet tea > is Fredericksburg. And we hear him gripe if we eat a meal in DC > because of > the unsweet tea. I kept waiting in the Modern Marvel show for them > to > discuss the ice tea history. But they never did. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 07:58:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JBw8Kk001792 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:58:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JBw8qt004681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:58:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JAuxFW030680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JAusHE038516; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JAupoP038445 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20070819105645m1400ke270e>; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:56:45 +0000 Message-ID: <46C821E0.1010501@bovil.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:56:32 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] So on the whole Japanese question... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C83050.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:58:12 -0400 (EDT) I 'm going to eventually use the sand silk herringbone suiting,,, ...but for a draft/muslin/version-I'm-willing-to-wear-if-it-turns-out I found a green/yellow windowpane plaid that will definitely make striking hakama and (if the yardage alllows) a nice kataginu... andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 09:08:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JD88qD004536 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:08:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JD78lZ005663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:07:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JD4V54043922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:04:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JD4RJ0020445; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JArvwT036670 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:53:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with ESMTP id <20070819105352m1500t602te>; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:53:52 +0000 Message-ID: <46C8212A.8010402@bovil.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:53:30 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re :tea References: <000001c7e1a7$424e3c40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> <007601c7e21f$f69c4b10$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <007c01c7e220$9be6e620$6801a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <007c01c7e220$9be6e620$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C8407C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Penny Ladnier wrote: > Oh Linda... hmmm... the Lipton factory is your neck of the road. From > Modern Marvels tea episode: > http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=214205 How did I miss this? The _Good Eats_ tea episode is a miracle... andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 12:01:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JG1DdK011740 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:01:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JG0B7e006041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:00:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JFqvBq062909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JFqreG043686; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7JFqoi7043586 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55026 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2007 15:52:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=P63BbUyTkA4OIe6571yzjfx+by3b77ovFMYMlkoTm6czXJSUBPG4huHALNNQYZ6G+saYQnPUsFwU96R1ZbXkFh6iKkMTVjNRC4+zxa2XETF8dnlr4sNnMf4yHMFyqhN+vnXQmmdbGxA0UI+Ykq2EkFEVscsy2ay374vzXA6FE2Y=; X-YMail-OSG: 3yvm31EVM1nWURbA9Q.twR8lZn7LWpoqnnPqS2RfcMHLjnglEpLhELQEiRNuUoWRAYzY50QyQZZzU3U1x1T_IHRg9MH6oL4VMUUpbKODb.JVytug5yX8Q97E82jF61ELNcvuev9xKzJ4LFAeqZgAU3m2 Received: from [69.182.189.38] by web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:52:44 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] So on the whole Japanese question... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46C821E0.1010501@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <661975.54706.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C8690B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:01:17 -0400 (EDT) --- Andrew Trembley wrote: > I 'm going to eventually use the sand silk > herringbone suiting,,, > > ...but for a > draft/muslin/version-I'm-willing-to-wear-if-it-turns-out > I > found a green/yellow windowpane plaid that will > definitely make striking > hakama and (if the yardage alllows) a nice > kataginu... > > andy I sure hope you will wear that at one point at Costume Con next spring, 'cause I want to see it. The use of plaids in Japanese clothing is seriously underrepresented in western recreations. :) Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 14:00:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JI0Kn9015824 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:00:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JI0KcF021104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:00:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JHqrUT080552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JHqoBn045558; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JHqlUQ045504 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21218 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:58:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:58:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ice, was: ironing washed linen and misc. In-Reply-To: <90a98b89b010.b01090a98b89@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97291c1d-ae50-4fca-9e34-e4779d6093d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C88534.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 ailith@neo.rr.com wrote: > Years ago, I visited Germany and was amazed that a good deal of the > country drank soft drinks at room temperature. When I was visiting > Berlin, we went out to an Italian restaurant for dinner. I had a heck > of a time making the waiter understand that I wanted tap water with > ice in it! He looked at me like I had suddenly sprouted another head. > :-) > > I got the same reaction in London when I requested iced water at > breakfast. The staff got used to the request and began bringing a > pitcher of iced water every morning. Heh. In most cases, I prefer my drinks without ice. So I loved it in England because I never had to say "no ice" the way I do here (and half the time in the US, the wait staff forget and bring me iced drinks anyway). I routinely confused English wait staff, though; I could pass for a Brit till I opened my mouth, when my American accent was obvious -- but wait, no ice, maybe she's not American after all... I endeared myself to the staff on a British Airways flight by asking for lemon squash, no ice, for my drink. Americans never ask for squash, but they keep it on board for the occasional Brit who does. At the end of the flight the steward pressed the rest of his bottle of squash concentrate in my hand as a gift. You can buy it here in the US, but typically as a "gourmet" item, and expensive. (Ditto with demerara sugar, used routinely for coffee in England but obscenely expensive.) Back to costume, sort of: The key to passing as a Brit, at least a decade or two ago, was the shoes. I wore Clarks or similar walking shoes, not athletic shoes. American tourists typically wore white athletic shoes. It might not be so obvious a difference now, as black athletic shoes and many other styles of walking shoes are more popular in the US now. I was shoe shopping this week for the first time in ages, and saw Skechers with athletic-shoe soles and construction, but tops that looked like casual flats. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 14:36:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JIadm8017000 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:36:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JIacsU010040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:36:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JIZaEH086056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JIZY2Q077676; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JIZVOq077645 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([71.162.16.192]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JN100G2ZA8L77U8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:35:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:33:41 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <00d101c7e28f$840c0750$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58bfbdd3-93a3-4e11-af41-8f614a394564 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C88DB6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Robin wrote: (Ditto with demerara sugar, used > routinely for coffee in England but obscenely expensive.) I get bags of paper tubes of Demerara sugar (Domino brand) for $0.70/bag at the local Big Lots. The stores are all over the place- their store locator is here: http://www.biglots.com/store_locator.aspx You could also try Sugar-in-the-Raw. It's similar, and you can get it in the supermarket for about twice the price of regular sugar. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 16:30:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JKUe2H020144 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:30:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JKUelP030206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JKOs75001179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JKOnkT062315; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JKOiO0062249 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21861 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:30:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:30:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice In-Reply-To: <00d101c7e28f$840c0750$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4948fc4-bc18-4621-8cd9-d07919509c26 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C8A870.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:30:44 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Helen Pinto wrote: > I get bags of paper tubes of Demerara sugar (Domino brand) for > $0.70/bag at the local Big Lots. The stores are all over the place- > their store locator is here: > http://www.biglots.com/store_locator.aspx Oh, thanks! That product was discontinued in my local grocery. (I bought a bunch when it got marked down, but it's good to know it's still out there.) > You could also try Sugar-in-the-Raw. It's similar, and you can > get it in the supermarket for about twice the price of regular sugar. Not quite the same, and my husband (who developed a taste for real demerara in England) maintains he can tell the difference. ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 17:19:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JLJpmL021862 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JLJpXO030989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:19:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JLJ9Yg010601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JLJ8h9005918; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JLJ44n005796 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1187558301-242900140000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 5276B688372 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id FfYGbRwI85gbhVFo for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8006D0AED for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:18:21 +0200 Message-ID: <007501c7e2a6$9a39db80$e600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <178093.86715.qm@web1004.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Ice, was: ironing washed linen and misc. Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ice, was: ironing washed linen and misc. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:19:55 -0400 (EDT) I hate ice in my soda because it makes flat and watery, so whenever I'm at a restaurant I ask for soda, no ice. The annoying thing, though, is that they pour the soda from the same container as the soda with ice, so I'm still getting flat, watery soda. Argh. One of the many reasons I am slowly but surely switching to tea. Costume content... uhm... uh... Ohyeah. I'm saving all my used tea bags for future dying projects! And I'm learning which types of tea dye what color. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 17:23:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JLNxb9021986 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:23:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JLNxkv019355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JLKIMX010847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JLKIvU006943; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JLKFTp006842 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from BAY106-W22 ([65.54.161.122]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:20:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.227.211.223] From: LuAnn Mason To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:20:10 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <00d101c7e28f$840c0750$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2007 21:20:10.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[B93957E0:01C7E2A6] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11342c76-1616-4b36-ae47-c141a2c1d8a7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46C8B4EF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:24:03 -0400 (EDT) If you really like the sticks (I'm more partial to turbinado, myself), you = can try dominosugar.com--type in your zip code and they'll tell you the clo= sest place to buy them. If you want it in bulk, try bulkfoods.com--you can= buy it in 1 lb., 5 lb., or 50 lb. bags. Personally, I'm a big fan of bulk= foods.com. Wheat gluten, powdered honey, arrowroot, all kinds of flours...= . lots of fun experimenting there. LuAnn > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:30:19 -0500 > From: robin@netherton.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice > CC:=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Helen Pinto wrote: >=20 > > I get bags of paper tubes of Demerara sugar (Domino brand) for > > $0.70/bag at the local Big Lots. The stores are all over the place- > > their store locator is here: =20 > > http://www.biglots.com/store_locator.aspx >=20 > Oh, thanks! That product was discontinued in my local grocery. (I bought = a > bunch when it got marked down, but it's good to know it's still out > there.) >=20 > > You could also try Sugar-in-the-Raw. It's similar, and you can=20 > > get it in the supermarket for about twice the price of regular sugar. >=20 > Not quite the same, and my husband (who developed a taste for real > demerara in England) maintains he can tell the difference. ;-) >=20 > --Robin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 17:25:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JLP0Bl022013 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:25:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7JLP0gN025204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:25:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7JLBE5W008924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:11:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7JLBDlS098871; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1004.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1004.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7JLB9oF098769 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 90796 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2007 21:11:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AE0yBHMVM1mZJTQMc7f6P1bDy5RKtZ82GyRqYlkkpiLWib325cRBHri1JesUi26YCQ-- Received: from [81.152.19.111] by web1004.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:11:04 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ice, was: ironing washed linen and misc. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <178093.86715.qm@web1004.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6f6bde8-865f-4f07-a144-2aa41807a807 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46C8B52C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:25:04 -0400 (EDT) I have never liked ice in my drinks and, like you, always requested it without and usually got it anyway in the US. We moved to England last January and now I love that I can get soda the way I like it. But... they always ask if I want ice or lemon in my pepsi/coke. At first, I thought it was because they heard my American accent and assumed I would want ice, but I found out that they are required to ask everyone. I don't live in a touristy area either. Teena Robin Netherton wrote: Heh. In most cases, I prefer my drinks without ice. So I loved it in England because I never had to say "no ice" the way I do here _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 21:00:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K10gKL028575 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:00:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7K10gME000789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7K0sKmU041131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K0sGXl071061; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K0sCco070945 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cf7.170b2c1d (65098) for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:54:04 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:54:04 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0bb05997-4733-491c-9a66-003a8ba8c7df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C8E7BA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:00:46 -0400 (EDT) So what is Demara sugar anyway? Sugar in the Raw is cane sugar from Hawaii that is not as refined as white sugar...so has some molasses still in it. Is Demara like granulated jaggery?...which is also made from cane I think. There's another Indian sugar made from dates or something like that. What is it called? Sur? or Siir? Gur? Can you starch a ruff with any of this? [trying to tie it into costuming, y'know....] BTW, you can get jaggery on Amazon.com. I was gonna make chikki [sesame brittle] one Christmas, but never did. Hmmmm...Maybe this year. Demara sugar is also available at Amazon I see...in cubes and in a 1lb bag. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 21:46:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K1knsf029860 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:46:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7K1kn68004218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:46:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7K1bPWK048328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K1bNnN006500; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K1bMWH006431 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:37:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1047717rvf for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=fnrhEBktJWyRUt3EoyjCGd9nuED3wfgvNHGdCvkmD6tc8Csswyrt7GtJMK/D+7sQwgz76lrd/rv9pivoevc1ZPe6hLDrVNA6n0iLrMJyhSN6ocLHwXWglWbJVo4V2OwmLA9+qutqy8b6iUjFE9ZM6YWEa4HPeaTMCG3RPa+mfSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=XB51Uz2veexUxI+EV+wtmbIHzqKpj6tm3agPRC2/mgKW6MX7ghtpu75WHL03TA3OGNs2Y2m35UDBv3NacGV+u/owmJwDWVFAhtYKIvO5ZVRAayMfMXbHk7E5a8Cf5Crfd2gLlxHkC/p7BgfKsx8CDb7N0WUEpT9+AHv4tJp0OY4= Received: by 10.140.191.14 with SMTP id o14mr2408299rvf.1187573837031; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [124.254.89.185]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm11365123rvi.2007.08.19.18.37.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:37:17 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <46c8f04b.02098c0a.0dfa.ffffc1c5@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e00646dc-773d-4b7b-a37c-542554a53e02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46C8F289.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:46:53 -0400 (EDT) At 10:54 AM 20/08/2007, you wrote: >So what is Demara sugar anyway? Sugar in the Raw is cane sugar from Hawaii >that is not as refined as white sugar...so has some molasses still in it. Is > > I have no idea what the equivalent of demara for the US is (or anywhere apart from UK/NZ/Australia) but this (UK) webpage has a list of definitions for various sugars and syrups. http://www.deliaonline.com/ingredients/sugars-and-syrups,244,IN.html But it doesn't list Raw sugar though. Maybe raw is golden granulated and golden caster? Just thinking that because I've seen every other sugar listed there sold in Australia except golden and with the addition of raw sugar. Sharon >Can you starch a ruff with any of this? [trying to tie it into costuming, >y'know....] The idea of a starching a ruff with demara just brings to my mind a possible side effect of sugar waxing. Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 23:19:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K3Jvve000383 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:19:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7K3Jto4018112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:20:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7K3AtWt060398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K3AqPh079317; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:10:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K3An9D079290 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1IMxf33MpW-0007KG; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c7e2d7$a7504490$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c7e1a7$424e3c40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> <007601c7e21f$f69c4b10$6801a8c0@momlaptop><007c01c7e220$9be6e620$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <46C8212A.8010402@bovil.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re :tea Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:10:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18FGkjyzoZ3f1oIf5UIMBLsRItYlDS9IeGdzWK jWb0i4HVtbalIN72txt72LYgzIe/7LYEFEGpm8corybETCcq3e Nf17yqwtmU+3HESloE2PQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a140cc61-4ccb-4250-8c48-2d27e733834d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C9085B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Andy, Modern Marvels also runs marathons during the afternoon hours. I turn on History International (HI) while I am working late at night. They run the Modern Marvels series late at night. They repeat a lot of the History Channels shows on HI. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 19 23:51:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K3p8Yi001877 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:51:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7K3p8B7008764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7K3gwC6065120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K3guhs004742; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:42:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K3grsM004700 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1IMyAF1YWH-0008K6; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:42:52 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c7e2dc$27a84490$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c7e1a7$424e3c40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> <007601c7e21f$f69c4b10$6801a8c0@momlaptop><007c01c7e220$9be6e620$6801a8c0@momlaptop><46C8212A.8010402@bovil.com> <000f01c7e2d7$a7504490$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:42:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+rFCSwj3q7/GI0MoqSb+CgtXsoxKShK7c3oeY uk7r3qlgJSKPyXwnT2IgBmsiZMVLbJhv2cySSwQYejAoD8Kui2 zvmbpUdE5Cc0+33Ifjh9w== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re OT: :tea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e4d2f7b-eaf9-43b6-8180-67329be55514 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46C90FAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:51:12 -0400 (EDT) My email to the list about tea: Our British friends will love this one. Snapple has bottled cold tea and has a large varieties of flavors. They are now selling Earl Grey tea. A very funny advertisement for this on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sky6wceYyg0 . The Modern Marvel show about tea includes the history of China tea industry, East India Trading Company, Boston Tea Party, etc. The tea plantation near Charleston, South Carolina is over 200 years old and the only existing tea plantation in the U.S. Tea and coffee grounds are good to use in potted house plants. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 00:47:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K4kxED004357 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:47:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7K4kxQe011910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7K4bTQK071771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:37:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K4bP7v043905; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K4bMYt043867 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([71.162.16.192]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JN200JZH251MYOE@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:36:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:36:34 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <000d01c7e2e3$b1caf3f0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5870ed8-69f8-47ca-aa7b-6cc526f0feea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C91CC3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:47:04 -0400 (EDT) More on Demerara- I was in my local supermarket this afternoon getting baking soda for the fridge, and guess what was on the shelf next to the brown sugar and confectioners' sugar? Re-sealable pound sacks of Domino brand Demerara sugar for $2.29. This is not an upscale foodie market, just a regular Giant Eagle. Yours may have it, too. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 02:10:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K6AsM1011482 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:10:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7K6ArKo021651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:10:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7K6AAtu082124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:10:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K6A6VA003351; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K6A3Eb003319 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A01B19B035A; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:09:31 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <621E84ED-F6FB-42BB-860A-234D78F9F820@faucet.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:10:21 -0700 Message-ID: <08ec01c7e2f0$ca69d3b0$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <621E84ED-F6FB-42BB-860A-234D78F9F820@faucet.net> thread-index: Acfd9kMNdvCYkawNSnK+SsW+flD+ywE+kwgA X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9da77b2d-110c-4064-bbcd-563137b2b8ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C9306D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:10:58 -0400 (EDT) I put thin fishing line in the outside edge of the ruffle of my new chemise. Went through the wash just fine, just needed a little finger tweaking, dripped dry. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test Ooh. I'm not much of a camper, but I've already got plans for next time to make things a bit better. I'll add that to the list. On a costume note, I would like to once again put in a vote for linen over cotton as being the coolest thing around when it's ghastly hot. I could definitely tell the difference between my old cotton chemises and my new linen ones! And my new kirtles are all linen as well, thank goodness. Also, though I haven't put it through the wash a bunch of times yet, I have hopes for my new linen shirt, which has a ruffle at the top of the collar. My old cotton one turns into a bunch of tiny crinkles every time I wash it, and I have to iron it out and spray-starch it to get it to behave nicely. Note that these are not starched ruffs in the formal figure eights, just small ruffles. The new linen one is cut with the long edge of the ruffle on the long grain of the fabric (parallel to the selvedge), which is what Arnold noted in her study of existing 17th-century ruffs. Even in the horrifying heat and humidity--I think I got wet in the rain, too--that ruffle stayed nice and sproingy (that's a technical term). Even though it will soften with repeated washings, I think the relative stiffness of the linen and the strength of the grain will help hold it out better than the cotton one. Melanie Schuessler On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:54 PM, otsisto wrote: > Small note for the future. Coleman makes battery operated tent ceiling > fans. > :) > > -----Original Message----- > Definitely too much rain. When not raining, too much heat and > humidity! But I had a great time all the same. > > Melanie Schuessler > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 02:27:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K6RaPI018206 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:27:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7K6RZiU029655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:27:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7K6G1Yb082910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K6G0FV007815; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7K6FvKi007762 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:15:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1792220366; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:15:21 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <5B73D730-153D-44EB-BBFA-6B9ABD3BC8A2@netspeed.com.au> Subject: RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? 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Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 08:11:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KCBkXi003093 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:11:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7KCBjhp021169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:11:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7KCAxN2037725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KCAret001297; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KCAnOD001240 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25906 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:16:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:16:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice In-Reply-To: <000d01c7e2e3$b1caf3f0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 346bca64-9486-434b-8903-8b8b39ad72ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46C98501.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:11:51 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Helen Pinto wrote: > I was in my local supermarket this afternoon getting baking soda > for the fridge, and guess what was on the shelf next to the brown > sugar and confectioners' sugar? Re-sealable pound sacks of > Domino brand Demerara sugar for $2.29. > This is not an upscale foodie market, just a regular Giant Eagle. > Yours may have it, too. In the last few years I've seen it at some supermarkets. (Haven't seen the bags here in St. Louis; the local stores tried the Domino tube packets, and discontinued them; I think no one here had any idea what they'd be used for.) Even so, it's sold at gourmet prices. Domino's line is cheaper than most, but it's still pretty expensive. Right now, at Tesco (the UK equivalent of Giant), a kilo bag of demerara is as low as 1.09 pounds sterling -- which translates to about 90 cents US per pound (weight). For comparison, at Tesco the white granulated sugar is 72 pence per kilo (64 cents per pound), and brown sugar is 99 pence per kilo (89 cents per pound). So it's barely more expensive than other sugars in the UK. (I'm quoting the cheapest store-brand price on all of these.) In the U.S., food prices are generally lower, and I get white sugar for 40 cents per pound, and brown sugar for 50 cents per pound when I catch a sale. So $2.29 per pound bag of demerara makes it a luxury sugar. Fortunately I see British friends at least once a year, and someone usually has a bag of demerara stashed in their luggage for me. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 14:35:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KIZKCp014708 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:35:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7KIZB6O018480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:35:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7KIVLj3074042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KIVF4C055415; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KIVCtf055274 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so544453nze for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:31:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=r/l4c/cu5JRppMcOD1L8Oi3DQ5Cq7I1OYmr56120Oc3ZfMJuUVNjSKrovAZq+O23oVRqW/WkC0Us/ew4HmtNZoWPjdfQ0sIFB0G9WzDkxyRSFBNEe7E/deDnOa+hN2Jcn1HUpsOUJCowcF4PLr6FlEOdt5OFArpSZEBWp0WUsPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ttuv4XtSrTYpHSRvDTMvaAuTa5xUNtWNWlMAa6efGoY7YwBt8YWmDRzdvdlSt22T99oZGoNjXILaNIDZdghhRRnlgScMtgSoBKhffns+u+TiN/dHyAU/EkFRTR7TsQLbz9gbYgLrxuPplbegp+O0XOn1rqQWhGuTt8cTePngQS8= Received: by 10.142.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr603937wfb.1187634667606; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:31:07 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: coffee (was: sugar) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d621bb79-d90d-4106-8322-9f7c36b72bfb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46C9DEDF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:35:24 -0400 (EDT) How much coffee grounds is too much? Does it have to be mixed into the dirt or can you add it to something already in the pot? I generate a lot of coffee grounds - if the have further use I'd love to know how! Allison T. On 8/20/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:42:37 -0400 > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Subject: [h-cost] Re OT: :tea > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <003c01c7e2dc$27a84490$6801a8c0@momlaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > My email to the list about tea: > Our British friends will love this one. Snapple has bottled cold tea and > has a large varieties of flavors. They are now selling Earl Grey tea. A > very funny advertisement for this on YouTube > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sky6wceYyg0 . > > The Modern Marvel show about tea includes the history of China tea industry, > East India Trading Company, Boston Tea Party, etc. > > The tea plantation near Charleston, South Carolina is over 200 years old and > the only existing tea plantation in the U.S. > > Tea and coffee grounds are good to use in potted house plants. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 17:34:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KLY975019438 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:34:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7KLY44M028169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:34:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7KIVLnL074041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KIVFR8055414; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KIVCju055275 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so164092ele for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:31:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=r/l4c/cu5JRppMcOD1L8Oi3DQ5Cq7I1OYmr56120Oc3ZfMJuUVNjSKrovAZq+O23oVRqW/WkC0Us/ew4HmtNZoWPjdfQ0sIFB0G9WzDkxyRSFBNEe7E/deDnOa+hN2Jcn1HUpsOUJCowcF4PLr6FlEOdt5OFArpSZEBWp0WUsPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ttuv4XtSrTYpHSRvDTMvaAuTa5xUNtWNWlMAa6efGoY7YwBt8YWmDRzdvdlSt22T99oZGoNjXILaNIDZdghhRRnlgScMtgSoBKhffns+u+TiN/dHyAU/EkFRTR7TsQLbz9gbYgLrxuPplbegp+O0XOn1rqQWhGuTt8cTePngQS8= Received: by 10.142.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr603937wfb.1187634667606; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:31:07 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: coffee (was: sugar) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fda0b6df-1a6c-42bc-b2fa-af7a2f4843d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CA08CC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:34:13 -0400 (EDT) How much coffee grounds is too much? Does it have to be mixed into the dirt or can you add it to something already in the pot? I generate a lot of coffee grounds - if the have further use I'd love to know how! Allison T. On 8/20/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:42:37 -0400 > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Subject: [h-cost] Re OT: :tea > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <003c01c7e2dc$27a84490$6801a8c0@momlaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > My email to the list about tea: > Our British friends will love this one. Snapple has bottled cold tea and > has a large varieties of flavors. They are now selling Earl Grey tea. A > very funny advertisement for this on YouTube > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sky6wceYyg0 . > > The Modern Marvel show about tea includes the history of China tea industry, > East India Trading Company, Boston Tea Party, etc. > > The tea plantation near Charleston, South Carolina is over 200 years old and > the only existing tea plantation in the U.S. > > Tea and coffee grounds are good to use in potted house plants. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 17:36:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KLaucB019521 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:36:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7KLaqm8010885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7KLZoBr008101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KLZgDj085541; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:35:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KLZdCb085482 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28695 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:41:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:41:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Save the date -- Oregon lecture event X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1cc31ae-eb3e-43bf-ab5f-13d756b62940 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CA0974.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:37:00 -0400 (EDT) (OK to forward this post to individuals and other lists.) For those who may be interested: I'll be doing a day of lectures in Eugene, Oregon, on Saturday, October 20. The official announcement is due out soon, and I'll update the list when it's posted, but I figured some people might need the extra notice. I'll be speaking on these topics: -- The Gothic Fitted Dress -- The Greenland Gored Gown -- The Fifteenth-Century V-neck Gown -- When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources -- Saintly Inspiration: Using Medieval Religious Figures for Costume Research (I realize many of you have already seen some of these lectures, but then, apparently plenty of people haven't, as this was what the hosting group requested!) This is half of a two-day event. On Sunday, October 21, the speaker will be Tammie Dupuis of The Renaissance Tailor. I do not know her topics, I'm afraid. I have no idea what the fee will be or whether you pay for the two days separately or both together. When the announcement comes, we'll all find out. However, if you want to be on the waiting list and get direct notification, you can send a request to Jamie Parker, jparker@mid-valley.com . More when I know more. ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@netherton.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 19:15:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNFFO2021666 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:15:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7KNFCND025191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7KNEQ50022441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNELM4088534; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7KNDuMd088064 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36553 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2007 23:13:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VzynrrgEIHVk0LReiuzHkjE7ByhK8cLRydK4eHDjMOoO3dmB1Sb3redexg2Ao4VWcIUSSyZZaXD6O1GoNn9RkQ7z0GDYCxAFczpdBMMUN9M61slIPO6djdu4PgCaudVYrI1+fDZgabOr/mxr3o1EkFcEsHQqFpAxdz4yWYFXTak=; X-YMail-OSG: lpod7s8VM1nBmnCfgFRolmFH5Ty8aKk9y_dhhvsefOAwGLJEHrBMTdoIPRNMukW1CYQ7lUqzOupmcS_hZBptTf3esi_J6lHO4YCi Received: from [72.83.236.144] by web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:13:51 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <08ed01c7e2f1$9b685450$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <296837.36292.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a7999cc8-2309-4e75-9c77-e65d57e79b11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CA2080.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:15:19 -0400 (EDT) WELLLL I was going to suggest, The once and future fashion but my goodness...If I were picking, "The Way We Wore" is much much better..... oh wait...nobody asked me to vote.., still Sharon, that is Brilliant! Bambi Sharon Collier wrote: "The Way We Wore" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm trying to put a proposal together. Thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:15:25 -0400 (EDT) I went to England the first week of June (great trip but too short) with a school trip from Atlanta and I was surprised to find that in most of the restaurants I was able to get Diet Coke with one ice cube and a slice of lemon--just the way I like it and never asked for it that way. Most drinks are cold from the fountain/dispenser so I didn't need extra ice. However, we did have one from our group ask for sweet iced tea and it caused a major production number. The Georgian was able to get the sweet iced tea but when our tour guide wanted one to try that seemed to have been a major act of treason and they refused to serve him one. At least I was able to get Coke as a back up option but at home I drink Diet Coke 1/2 the time, sweet tea 1/2 the time. You think it's hard finding sweet tea North of the Mason-Dixon line? Try finding sweet tea in Florida! Once you get south of the panhandle you are no longer in the South as far as food and drink are concerned. I did run into one nice waiter in Orlando who was from Georgia and he agreed to make me a pitcher of sweet tea. He got a nice tip! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 19:16:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNGxkR021696 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:16:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7KNGvrB025945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:17:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7KNGZJN022907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNGY6X090913; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KJTSEL035022 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so752065nfd for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FLd0v/XCSmM/0gNNJgx56Yq9XN8iOlZeLp4QMKtUweZSTHQk+h7Ohd4Lf9mz7IyCDNMhClssFW8VbWkjmIbgp8ovwWGwDLOPTXbw6jbNhcLhHhZ7ib7dPth8b39TEisGq6ux6hiRsTiQNuhkZmCHQbCYx2oihft33whiYY8exIs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iq+Bij1TU5/ilFOpWqCXkoWOR8T9LPptw8EyT2tQ/ISIdHarVWSAL+wzxdvtZ3TqSoSVlOp4VMJwUkZBVAm3YN8FFEf1wLLnl9olSm5es3rRlVqKzohEcguEPP8myup2kOZgnlVqpGKM59qZObNW/uJNPun4/drlX5zO8Ocqddw= Received: by 10.78.195.9 with SMTP id s9mr2205468huf.1187638167921; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0708201229rda2b9c7x2b2b179f931e947a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:29:27 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? In-Reply-To: <08ed01c7e2f1$9b685450$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5B73D730-153D-44EB-BBFA-6B9ABD3BC8A2@netspeed.com.au> <08ed01c7e2f1$9b685450$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 65300771-8509-47b5-8e24-75bd8021e623 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CA20E9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Isn't that already a book? would there be any copyright problems using it? Lynn On 8/19/07, Sharon Collier wrote: > "The Way We Wore" > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? > > I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - > showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? > And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm > trying to put a proposal together. > > Thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 19:19:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNJqvH021749 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:19:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7KNJo04021949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:19:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7KNJFcn023280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNJEi6093562; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNJB3F093515 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so795798nfd for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:19:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D936UKIFlVsgb4RRNdlkzQeGetdUZxrgt7QfrHG21ioaW6adNsqD6r3Qid0nhhJq1zZe2cHyy6N3d9zPp4ESnxYZDeJ7rVWbqDPMzc/F2fXgAYhoaKQj/RuUhYWHabHPz4Q2xJ2tX/EoZ+kU5EmnHAQilkjbdgeDen96zQO5Zqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XWLjUu8h7F+U2DSpBFeZ5XE59AjiQCZaSu7o/DRbqFjzLIVz8TORh5923PSPnACeoO5C4umqt4i8Zuo6kx0oAIjfWTBX1zzDaMcRb444UFc9UTF1UrO+8nnZaPsj9r8Ivb5nFAQJi4/RGeIEItwydMTKAIRNYrS85tv7W28wD1o= Received: by 10.78.190.10 with SMTP id n10mr2338851huf.1187651950191; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0708201619s7d9171bdkf9212ad45b78e59f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:19:10 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? In-Reply-To: <296837.36292.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <08ed01c7e2f1$9b685450$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <296837.36292.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be34309e-7240-4b5c-9228-bcf040dd0c64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CA2197.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:19:56 -0400 (EDT) I agree, I liked it a lot! I just wondered.... no flame meant. Luckily, Sharon knows me and knows I wouldn't get snippy at her. Lynn On 8/20/07, Bambi TBNL wrote: > WELLLL > I was going to suggest, > The once and future fashion but my goodness...If I were picking, > "The Way We Wore" is much much better..... > oh wait...nobody asked me to vote.., still Sharon, that is Brilliant! > > Bambi > > Sharon Collier wrote: "The Way We Wore" > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? > > I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - > showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? > And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm > trying to put a proposal together. > > Thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 19:21:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNLGju021780 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:21:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7KNLE79027817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:21:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7KNKq33023524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7KNKoBu094937; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7KNKjmn094799 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96569 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2007 23:20:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dHhx2Tybb/Qalw/Z7pHfRxemPsKVoRDv0sRrFwSuGNh9a++HPPs0xXdhSyVSOgHnyIvayEl7xekEKnYnSRgQ3Ny4m32yS9EyfIQL8SBw3qiMTQLwGWYMyKgeAvYHcXHuwqJSJNxn6s3LPTy4SvGHbK7Eaz6DlGW1qlZaH+yb4Z0=; X-YMail-OSG: OMqJ1wwVM1ldd8aJJ2WW53avuq3f4J2te5tWvv59RQmrvDKU6ZWTmbG0Gp_IC7F3KBqd7S8BvNDxo.zEDD2FYP8Spw-- Received: from [72.83.236.144] by web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:20:39 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: RE: [h-cost] linen , the question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <08ec01c7e2f0$ca69d3b0$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <962959.96036.qm@web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c97960e-1490-4bf8-854e-03b92be303a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CA21EA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Question, Does anyone have (for lack of a better term) a "recipe" for setting pleats in linen with vinegar? I know it can be done..I know the Ancient Egyptians did it to crystal pleat their shear linen, and I know the Turks seemed to have it down in the 16th c to do their shirts but i have no idea what the proportions might be the the general concept of breaking down the cellulose ,to then set what ever it was you were setting and then rinse it out, is a sound chemical concept. Oh and anyone have sources for sheer linen? Bambi Sharon Collier wrote: I put thin fishing line in the outside edge of the ruffle of my new chemise. Went through the wash just fine, just needed a little finger tweaking, dripped dry. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test Ooh. I'm not much of a camper, but I've already got plans for next time to make things a bit better. I'll add that to the list. On a costume note, I would like to once again put in a vote for linen over cotton as being the coolest thing around when it's ghastly hot. I could definitely tell the difference between my old cotton chemises and my new linen ones! And my new kirtles are all linen as well, thank goodness. Also, though I haven't put it through the wash a bunch of times yet, I have hopes for my new linen shirt, which has a ruffle at the top of the collar. My old cotton one turns into a bunch of tiny crinkles every time I wash it, and I have to iron it out and spray-starch it to get it to behave nicely. Note that these are not starched ruffs in the formal figure eights, just small ruffles. The new linen one is cut with the long edge of the ruffle on the long grain of the fabric (parallel to the selvedge), which is what Arnold noted in her study of existing 17th-century ruffs. Even in the horrifying heat and humidity--I think I got wet in the rain, too--that ruffle stayed nice and sproingy (that's a technical term). Even though it will soften with repeated washings, I think the relative stiffness of the linen and the strength of the grain will help hold it out better than the cotton one. Melanie Schuessler On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:54 PM, otsisto wrote: > Small note for the future. Coleman makes battery operated tent ceiling > fans. > :) > > -----Original Message----- > Definitely too much rain. When not raining, too much heat and > humidity! But I had a great time all the same. > > Melanie Schuessler > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <296837.36292.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <464875.93301.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a699619-19b5-40b9-88c0-22a29da912bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CA22FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:25:53 -0400 (EDT) --- Bambi TBNL wrote: > I was going to suggest, > The once and future fashion but my goodness...If I > were picking, > "The Way We Wore" is much much better..... > oh wait...nobody asked me to vote.., still Sharon, > that is Brilliant! > > Bambi > > Sharon Collier wrote: "The > Way We Wore" Costume-Con 18, in Hartford, CT, a few years back, had the Once and Future Fashion Show, with the Historical Masquerade (a costume contest) and the Future Fashion Folio Fashion show, and a few other little odds & ends. Very successful show, and nobody had to get organized to attend 'another' show. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:49:42 -0400 (EDT) I took the first 3 lectures listed here, plus Robin's sideless surcoat class, and they and she are AWESOME!! :-D Also of note, if anyone's going to be in the Portland OR area the weekend prior--the Rivers campus of the University of Ithra will be hosting a Roving To Rainment Ithra Oct 13-14. For more information, check back at www.ithra.antir.sca.org The info will be going up soon. All classes are pre-registration, and you will be able to register online. It's going to be a great week for costuming, folks! Robin, do you know if people are going to be able to register for the separate lectures? Arlys, Regent, Rivers Ithra On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:41:19 -0500 (CDT) Robin Netherton writes: > > (OK to forward this post to individuals and other lists.) > > For those who may be interested: I'll be doing a day of lectures in > Eugene, Oregon, on Saturday, October 20. The official announcement > is due > out soon, and I'll update the list when it's posted, but I figured > some > people might need the extra notice. > > I'll be speaking on these topics: > > -- The Gothic Fitted Dress > -- The Greenland Gored Gown > -- The Fifteenth-Century V-neck Gown > -- When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume > Sources > -- Saintly Inspiration: Using Medieval Religious Figures for > Costume > Research > > (I realize many of you have already seen some of these lectures, but > then, > apparently plenty of people haven't, as this was what the hosting > group > requested!) > > This is half of a two-day event. On Sunday, October 21, the speaker > will > be Tammie Dupuis of The Renaissance Tailor. I do not know her > topics, I'm > afraid. > > I have no idea what the fee will be or whether you pay for the two > days > separately or both together. When the announcement comes, we'll all > find > out. > > However, if you want to be on the waiting list and get direct > notification, you can send a request to Jamie Parker, > jparker@mid-valley.com . > > More when I know more. > > > ========================================================== > Robin Netherton > Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles > robin@netherton.net > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 21:10:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1AThD024850 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:10:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L1A5ia010032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L19NOH040134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:09:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L19Mgx092651; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L19I4v092586 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A897B6A17E for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:09:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-83.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-83.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.83]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:09:16 +1000 Message-ID: <1187658556.46ca3b3cd6098@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:09:16 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Coffee, not just for house plants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71e2c9c0-ded5-46cc-985c-d828987c240a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CA3B6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:10:34 -0400 (EDT) The posting regarding coffee and tea left-overs on plants reminds me of using them as dyes (I have taken white elastic to a skin-tone with tea); The story that really came to mind, though, comes from an old friend who was stationed in Darwin (northern Australia) early in World War Two. There was little belief the Japanese would attack the mainland so little preparation was made and sailors mostly wore thier bright tropical whites. After the first attack on Darwin, requests were made to naval headquarters for less visible uniforms for combat conditions. Headquarters sent back the simple signal, boil all uniforms in coffee grounds, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 21:12:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1CqKi024915 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:12:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L1CqTQ007921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:12:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L1CTUH040489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1CTVU095188; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1CQCC095068 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DF4FBF4C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:12:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46CA3BF6.8020804@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:12:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? References: <5B73D730-153D-44EB-BBFA-6B9ABD3BC8A2@netspeed.com.au> <08ed01c7e2f1$9b685450$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <8296995c0708201229rda2b9c7x2b2b179f931e947a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0708201229rda2b9c7x2b2b179f931e947a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d9eaf61-d61b-4e2f-8a53-c90c9c37902b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CA3C14.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Hence the number of books titled "Costume". http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ34.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 21:18:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1I5Nk025017 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:18:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L1I5Et007694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L1HYlu041140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1HWoG099577; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1HSVh099461 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c99.17ce8b22 (48624) for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:17:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:17:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Coffee, not just for house plants To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f9eb452-64de-4a10-89d3-dadd62c634c3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CA3D4D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:18:09 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/20/2007 9:10:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: After the first attack on Darwin, requests were made to naval headquarters for less visible uniforms for combat conditions. Headquarters sent back the simple signal, boil all uniforms in coffee grounds, ************* I love stories like that. When I was working on a show that took place in 1865 in Georgia after the War had ended. The designer wanted most of the women in black, because just about everyone had lost someone in the War and was in mourning of some kind. Some of the gowns were made from plaids and florals and then overdyed with a black-brown. The idea was women who had lost almost everything because of the war...including family members... were dying their regular things with black walnut husks for mourning. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 21:43:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1hqcW025577 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:43:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L1hqjK023727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:43:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L1hHid044213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1hE2Z024544; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L1hAse024437 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29981 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:48:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:48:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Save the date -- Oregon lecture event In-Reply-To: <20070820.174646.2936.0.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 192c3a48-9a53-4aa9-a85d-5dd17ef3ebd4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CA4358.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:43:56 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > I took the first 3 lectures listed here, plus Robin's sideless surcoat > class, and they and she are AWESOME!! :-D > Robin, do you know if people are going to be able to register for the > separate lectures? No clue. Yet. I'll let you all know more when I know more. (I just show up with my slides and notes and costumes and pray there's a projector, screen, and coffee.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 22:54:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L2s8Pu026960 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:54:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L2s8FV021682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:54:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L2r2tP053782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L2qxFh083000; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L2qv28082961 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1INJrT23uY-0007Wy; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:52:56 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:52:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ZdAord6ANF3DUzGjd7rqt6w2L1+wG6WF2652 yyw13jfkmMkwbvpUECxkmwpt0xzwrvsa/udpejH9oJv9qHgd5Y ydANYEkwuvc+vi467Wplg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 497ef568-992e-495b-ae6e-9bf38afb46e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CA53D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Allison, My mother taught to just add them to the soil's surface. We always added it after the coffee grounds had cooled. I have had some house plants for over 20 years. I have a very green thumb. When I decided to go back to college, my decision between majors was horticulture or fashion. I decided for fashion because I hate working in the heat of August. Here are two photos of my latest pride and joys from my garden. ***9 ft. cannas and 10 ft. tall sunflower. Neither have been fertilized. My son standing in-between the flowers is 6 ft. tall: http://www.costumegallery.com/flowers/P1060106lg.jpg ***Zinnias and butterfly: http://www.costumegallery.com/flowers/P1010010lg.jpg Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 20 23:16:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L3Ghfp027478 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:16:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L3Gh5f030698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:16:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L3GA8J056354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L3G89W001634; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L3G45Z001571 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CCB700253 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:11:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708202311.46389.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a09f16e3-4876-444f-8b17-56ee2b2f0bba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CA591B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:16:47 -0400 (EDT) On Monday 20 August 2007, Penny Ladnier wrote: [snip] > > I have a very green thumb. When I decided to go back to college, my > decision between majors was horticulture or fashion. I decided for fashion > because I hate working in the heat of August. Here are two photos of my > latest pride and joys from my garden. > ***9 ft. cannas and 10 ft. tall sunflower. Neither have been fertilized. Kudos! I have the world's blackest thumb, myself; I can kill spider plants without really trying. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 04:21:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8LfPO031210 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:21:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L8LgMV029693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:21:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L8L0EW095092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8KtdH040560; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8KpK4040496 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A03FF8601D4; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:20:15 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200708201511.l7KFBN7H087336@net.indra.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] re:iced drinks Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:21:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c7e3cc$3a20f360$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfjf+ekFImcXL2XRFKevsj87FJg4AAS+tcA In-Reply-To: <200708201511.l7KFBN7H087336@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3dc158be-65b9-4f7b-a951-f32101b6e8e1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CAA096.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Is this sweet iced tea specially made or just iced tea with sugar? In Calif our iced tea comes without sugar, so you just put in however much you want (if any). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of picmajik@bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:11 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] re:iced drinks I went to England the first week of June (great trip but too short) with a school trip from Atlanta and I was surprised to find that in most of the restaurants I was able to get Diet Coke with one ice cube and a slice of lemon--just the way I like it and never asked for it that way. Most drinks are cold from the fountain/dispenser so I didn't need extra ice. However, we did have one from our group ask for sweet iced tea and it caused a major production number. The Georgian was able to get the sweet iced tea but when our tour guide wanted one to try that seemed to have been a major act of treason and they refused to serve him one. At least I was able to get Coke as a back up option but at home I drink Diet Coke 1/2 the time, sweet tea 1/2 the time. You think it's hard finding sweet tea North of the Mason-Dixon line? Try finding sweet tea in Florida! Once you get south of the panhandle you are no longer in the South as far as food and drink are concerned. I did run into one nice waiter in Orlando who was from Georgia and he agreed to make me a pitcher of sweet tea. He got a nice tip! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 04:23:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8NWJY031557 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:23:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L8NRBU031635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:23:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L8N6pF095465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8N66o042054; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8N26p041998 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0C3A30378; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:22:27 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <5B73D730-153D-44EB-BBFA-6B9ABD3BC8A2@netspeed.com.au><08ed01c7e2f1$9b685450$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <8296995c0708201229rda2b9c7x2b2b179f931e947a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Oops! I don't know. I thought I made it up. (Dang, all the good ideas are already taken) I don't know if it's copyright infringement if it's the title of a fashion show. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? Isn't that already a book? would there be any copyright problems using it? Lynn On 8/19/07, Sharon Collier wrote: > "The Way We Wore" > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? > > I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - > showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? > And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - > I'm trying to put a proposal together. > > Thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 04:27:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8RlWV032359 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:27:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L8RlxR029226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:27:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L8RMC0096478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:27:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8RLdo045517; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8RIvC045412 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Re91VBpkPe+sk+njdeDLMsEHLffLvJO0pTpGyys4ZPCBjjG7Lc5hsvilZkQnjN+w; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.0.241.138] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1INP4y-0005c1-Fo for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:27:12 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22007822182715640@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:27:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7907b9e0f33789102f1e5c7a2cbd143006350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.0.241.138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07ec7ef2-0c51-4eb6-b0fa-5765f6e9f84c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CAA203.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Book titles are not copywrited as far as I have heard, moives yes, but book names are fair game as long as it does have trademarked names. Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Sharon Collier > To: Historical Costume > Date: 8/21/2007 1:22:27 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? > > Oops! I don't know. I thought I made it up. (Dang, all the good ideas are > already taken) I don't know if it's copyright infringement if it's the title > of a fashion show. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Lynn Downward > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? > > Isn't that already a book? would there be any copyright problems using it? > > Lynn > > On 8/19/07, Sharon Collier wrote: > > "The Way We Wore" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > > On Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? > > > > I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - > > showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? > > And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - > > I'm trying to put a proposal together. > > > > Thanks, Aylwen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 04:42:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8gfPj001571 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:42:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L8gfcU021671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L8g3tK099801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8g1gJ056562; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L8fvQk056487 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:41:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A53110C601D4; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:41:21 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com><002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <200708202311.46389.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: coffee Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:42:14 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c7e3cf$2c962000$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfjoayyzaiYutB8SfqIzz/pvEbP9AAK08mw In-Reply-To: <200708202311.46389.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68ced917-ce6d-4098-9b99-ccfe816631a2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CAA581.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Then you should try Cannas. They are very forgiving. I have some in the backyard that even my mother didn't kill! (She isn't a gardener)They come back after freezing and thrive on neglect. Just water them. If you feed them too, they grow like gangbusters. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee On Monday 20 August 2007, Penny Ladnier wrote: [snip] > > I have a very green thumb. When I decided to go back to college, my > decision between majors was horticulture or fashion. I decided for > fashion because I hate working in the heat of August. Here are two > photos of my latest pride and joys from my garden. > ***9 ft. cannas and 10 ft. tall sunflower. Neither have been fertilized. Kudos! I have the world's blackest thumb, myself; I can kill spider plants without really trying. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 05:27:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L9RAIl009141 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:27:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7L9R1CA020454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:27:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7L9QCnW005664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L9QA6m089997; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L9Q6gb089898 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:26:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070821092602.SJVR13525.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:26:02 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id eZS11X0013Dnkwc0000000; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:26:01 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] re:iced drinks Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c7e3d5$46e76ee0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <000401c7e3cc$3a20f360$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88a50da4-d7de-4599-a6f4-37c3ede5a221 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CAAFE5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:27:14 -0400 (EDT) True sweet tea is made by adding the sugar when the tea is still warm, so that it dissolves completely. I've seen some folks add cups, yes plural, to a pitcher of tea. I call tea that sweet "Tea syrup", mainly because I find it way too sweet. Some folks do like it though, and if you go to a restaurant in especially rural places in the South, just expect that's what you're going to get, and probably won't be able to get unsweet tea at all. Cities are changing, but countryfolk are slower to do so. My dad, for example, hated having to add sugar to a glass of iced tea because he said it never really dissolved. Yes, he was very "country"! I have absolutely zero costume content to add here, sorry! ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:21 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] re:iced drinks Is this sweet iced tea specially made or just iced tea with sugar? In Calif our iced tea comes without sugar, so you just put in however much you want (if any). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of picmajik@bellsouth.net Try finding sweet tea in Florida! Once you get south of the panhandle you are no longer in the South as far as food and drink are concerned. I did run into one nice waiter in Orlando who was from Georgia and he agreed to make me a pitcher of sweet tea. He got a nice tip! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 07:07:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LB7qUB022888 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:07:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LB7r4j007573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:07:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LB7AAS025689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LB75ER083212; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:07:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7L9wfOc020779 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1INQVT37HZ-0008Pu; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <00c501c7e3d9$d33e6ac0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com><002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop><200708202311.46389.cathy@thyrsus.com> <002201c7e3cf$2c962000$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:58:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+uTRyoz2rUYnEojg7x68vIl9V9QRR7kgaS0Rb X1F4ndA6I0BDpXp8cqcTcLVC88evmybU7Yf/rUhZKLUGdlg0HQ G67AszLz5TZYEHk0ZvhcA== Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Some Comments X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: 5a307309-3fdf-44cd-9820-79a54ecd462e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CAC789.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Costume Content: I will be good and add this first! While trying to find out when manufacturers stopped using aniline dye in textiles, I came across a lady Alice Hamilton who was most noted for her research in aniline textile dye, mercury and lead poisons, and other chemicals in the industry. She also wrote a book called Exploring the Dangerous Trades. I have found the book online for $52+. I just hate to purchase a book for this price to find out one answer. Also, Hamilton was the first woman on Harvard's faculty. Back to aniline, I have found it used in fabrics in the 1920s. Links: Alice Hamilton: http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/1997/10.23/PublicHealthPio.html A good website about colorant history: http://www.colorantshistory.org/home.html The answer to my aniline question might be on this website but the website is vast. I tried to email the site owner but their link doesn't work. There are some tricks to growing cannas: 1. They love at least five hours of direct sunlight. 2. Deadhead them once a week. When you deadhead them, pull back the thin leave by the flower stalk, and cut (45 degree angle) the stalk as far down in the stalk as possible. This makes the new flower stalk stronger. The new flower stalk will appear in a week. 3. Beetles love to eat the leaves and flowers. Malatyon! (sp?) (FYI: This melts nail polish) 4. Plant them in the wettest part of your yard. The old-fashioned nickname for cannas is septic tank flowers. 5. Do not remove dead stalks until spring time. The stalks feed the tubers through the winter. I just cover mine with leaves to winter. Do not walk on the bed in the snow. Someone killed some of mine this way. My cannas come up in early May and bloom until the first killing frost around Oct. 15. They bloom all summer. 6. The tubers can be divided in the spring. Don't move after the first stalks appear. This IS my last message about tea: I promise! When you add sugar to cold unsweet tea, it dissolves slowly or not at all. This is wasting sugar. To make sweet tea, add the sugar while the tea brew is hot. Then add Stir it until the spoon does not draw. The sugar has melted. Then dilute the tea with cold water. I learned this from my Food Science course in college. This was one of my favorite college classes at University of New Mexico. You made things wrong, and then were taught the correct method. The point was to learn the chemical reactions. Try making a cake or biscuits with baking soda and another with baking powder. See we still need home ec. education in our lives! It just wasn't all sewing and etiquette. Tea that is cloudy is old tea and has a bad/rank flavor. The tannins have settled. Also putting tea in a frig will make it cloud sooner. I can't recall if it was Lipton or Lousianne who had a ad campaign about their tea not clouding as soon as other brands. In a restraunt, if we receive cloudy tea, we do not even taste it. We return it and drink water. We also make sure the manager knows about the problem. Tea is so inexpensive there is no reason for them to not make it fresh daily, even though they change you $2 for the drink. McDonald's has ads for a large sweet tea on their $1 menu. Oh well, I fore-warned you, we are serious ice tea drinkers. In Richmond, VA I have to ask for unsweet ice tea, otherwise, they will bring me sweet tea. I stopped liking sweet tea when my husband started adding two cups of sugar to our family's tea. Now we have his and hers tea pitchers! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 11:36:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LFaAs0027097 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LFaAGj031088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LCcBiU043755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:38:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LCc7gl079663; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LCc4oE079535 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200708211238.l7LCc4oE079535@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-13-57.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.13.57]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070821123758b1100r0hs7e>; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:37:58 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:38:03 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee In-Reply-To: <200708202311.46389.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com> <002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <200708202311.46389.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4424ca96-a627-4681-a643-cfe1e32c3fa4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CB066A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 11:36:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LFaC16027100 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LFaAGl031088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LD5Zke049453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LD5Yt9009143; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:05:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LD5UAB008972 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c16.1e348911 (42807) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:05:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d9a3d33-d44f-4145-94fc-c22b40dc4431 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CB066A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They spread too. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 11:36:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LFaMF8027106 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LFaAGn031088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LCxjnc048057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:59:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LCxjI1002792; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LCxfkJ002619 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d13.e4be37f (42807) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:59:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:59:14 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:iced drinks To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed4aaa19-f8ec-465e-8a58-8ade4317ee88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CB066A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:26 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/21/2007 5:27:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vmaa2@cox.net writes: True sweet tea is made by adding the sugar when the tea is still warm, so that it dissolves completely. *************** Yes that's it. The sugar is usually put in while the tea is steeping. My mother used to make the tea without the sugar and, while she was boiling water, she's make up some simple syrup... y'know sugar in boiling water... put that on the table in a cream pitcher so the "yankees" wouldn't be upset and everyone could sweeten their tea as they pleased. I hate iced tea...sweet or not. I guess I'm about the only Southerner that does. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 11:36:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LFafGS027113 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LFaf34018458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LCxgFC048046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:59:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LCxci5002659; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:59:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LCxUbb002475 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:58:58 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l7LCww910282 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:58:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 21 Aug 2007 07:58:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:58:58 -0500 References: <200708210117.l7L1HvE2099934@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: <46CA9B34.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200708210117.l7L1HvE2099934@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77a7bda8-2662-4289-8e21-acbcaa3a464b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CB0689.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in 1957? I'm not looking for a current value but what something would have cost in 1957. Specifically a cocktail length wedding dress?? My in-laws are having their 50th annv. in 2 weeks and the kids want to prepare a card where the punchline is "50 years together, priceless". They are trying to find the cost of typical wedding items from this year for the rest of the bit. For some reason they thought I would know about the dress :). Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 11:36:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LFagOY027116 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LFaf36018458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LBwWue036942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LBwT4g037565; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:58:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LBwMXr037452 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:58:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1401326663 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:58:22 -0500 Message-ID: <008001c7e3ea$96d125d0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com><002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop><200708202311.46389.cathy@thyrsus.com><002201c7e3cf$2c962000$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <00c501c7e3d9$d33e6ac0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Some Comments Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:58:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e22574c-2c47-4fad-aae6-268449f858d4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CB0689.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:36:46 -0400 (EDT) > 5. Do not remove dead stalks until spring time. The stalks feed the > tubers through the winter. I just cover mine with leaves to winter. Do > not walk on the bed in the snow. Someone killed some of mine this way. > My cannas come up in early May and bloom until the first killing frost > around Oct. 15. They bloom all summer. Depends on where you live!! Check your garden zone as Cannas tubers will not survive the winter here (Iowa, border between zone 4 and 5) and in the spring you will just have mush. It's the main reason we don't plant cannas or dahlias; stuff just doesn't winter over well in our basement. OCC: local Walmart stores seems to be in a run of new $1.00 yard fabrics! I was trying really hard to use only stash on recent projects, but the siren call of cool stuff is too much for me. I found a *lovely* bolt of something (synthetic, I'm sure) that looks like navy blue nondescript whatever on the backside (the side showing in the stack) but when I folded it back to the right side -- OMG -- it looked exactly like hammered copper only not *quite* copper colored and not *quite* the color of gold. My daughter is only in 8th grade but she immediately said "Prom Dress, Mom!" so naturally I bought all 6 yards. For a dollar a yard, what the heck! In two trips to two different stores I bought about 20 yards of fabric. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 12:22:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGMaj3028544 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:22:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LGMVGe022512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:22:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LGLpAW092858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGLobi047147; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDWDSq037045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.126.75] ([132.198.126.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l7LDWC79017159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:32:12 -0400 Message-ID: <46CAE95F.5000300@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:32:15 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Some Comments References: <7d21ac190708201131p2ef484c7xf714f91f8fa801ca@mail.gmail.com><002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop><200708202311.46389.cathy@thyrsus.com> <002201c7e3cf$2c962000$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <00c501c7e3d9$d33e6ac0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <00c501c7e3d9$d33e6ac0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist X-UUID: a8203cd5-0f7b-42cc-9e44-1425a828ecc1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CB1147.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:22:40 -0400 (EDT) 2 items, 1 of which is costume related, 1 of which is tea related: 1) Costume, or rather fabric: I want to thank all the folks who replied several weeks ago to my request for fabric store locations in California. I ended up at a couple Discount Fabrics with no finds, then went to Britex in San Francisco. Instead of silk I bought cotton. 4 pieces of white, lightweight, very fine, cottons (one satin batiste) and one primrose/jonquil yellow that looks exactly like the color of that early 19th cent. muslin gown with the brown trim that was posted here a couple months ago. Lovely! Now I'm at it again, this time to New York. I remember doing the Orchard St. shopping blitz many years ago, but now it seems the stores are more concentrated in the 30s. While I would love to spend the day browsing every shop, my daughters also want to do some non-fabric shopping. So, does anyone have a favorite, must-go-to, fabric store in NYC (where favorite is defined as "you can get some silk or linen or fine cotton historically probable fabric at ridiculously low prices")? Oh, and feathers: ostrich plumes for bonnets? 2) Tea. Ah yes. I'm a northerner but my parents were southerners so I grew up on iced tea. We made it in a pot, steeped for 3-5 mins. as tea should be, sweetened while hot, poured over ice. I still make it that way, I just don't use as much sugar. Well, at restaurants I often ask how they make their iced tea. Many are proud to say that they don't use a mix but brew it from real bags and don't sweeten it. They are also proud to say that they make it "nice and strong" by brewing it overnight in the refrigerator. Ouch! So here's how I usually order iced tea at a restaurant: "could you bring me a cup of hot tea, and two glasses completely filled with ice..." :-) (Of course, that doesn't mean they will actually boil the water for the tea but what the heck--can't be too fussy!!) - Hope Penny Ladnier wrote: > This IS my last message about tea: I promise! > When you add sugar to cold unsweet tea, it dissolves slowly or not at > all. This is wasting sugar. To make sweet tea, add the sugar while > the tea brew is hot. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 12:25:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGP1AF028671 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:25:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LGP2eg028577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:25:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LGKQA2092626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:20:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGKJgB045174; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDKtIE025467 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070821132051.VEAO19980.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:20:51 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id edLp1X00L3Dnkwc0000000; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:20:49 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Some Comments Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: <007001c7e3f6$1420c3a0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <008001c7e3ea$96d125d0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist X-UUID: 88382076-e7f8-4eb3-90ea-b1c0e187be30 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CB11DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Ooh, thanks Denise. THAT was my exciting costume news that I forgot to share! I was in our Norfolk, Va. Walmart last week, and also noticed that the $1.00 bolt table was restocked. I found my favorite sales lady and she said that indeed, they were keeping their fabric department and were replacing the racks that had been removed! YIPPPEEEEE!!!!! She said that everything was planned to go back to the way it used to be. So, I guess Walmart paid attention to the fact that they don't need to be "upscale"- that is not their target market. I'm not sure what is going on with the other service oriented departments that were under the knife, such as paint, automotive and fish. Fish, now that's one section I'd be very happy to see out of our Walmart. It's so bad I'm surprised PETA hasn't found out about it! ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz OCC: local Walmart stores seems to be in a run of new $1.00 yard fabrics! I was trying really hard to use only stash on recent projects, but the siren call of cool stuff is too much for me. I found a *lovely* bolt of something (synthetic, I'm sure) that looks like navy blue nondescript whatever on the backside (the side showing in the stack) but when I folded it back to the right side -- OMG -- it looked exactly like hammered copper only not *quite* copper colored and not *quite* the color of gold. My daughter is only in 8th grade but she immediately said "Prom Dress, Mom!" so naturally I bought all 6 yards. For a dollar a yard, what the heck! In two trips to two different stores I bought about 20 yards of fabric. Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 12:26:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGQ2qI028696 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:26:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LGQ2en029048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:26:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LGOiIT093792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGOefg051306; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:24:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LFvrEq017104 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1682735wxc for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:57:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ya2SK2nmld0u664sSwJApxzxTNiyTmt4Xw2Bv1L6yVYh8ogao0YUNwI1p5bW8fi+ikkgazS9pVMya6O2BS8MNvD9EwfbdPbp+maugGiI1Xqx5T39UARVzKAO3bKpQSCqeH4fSHlOStME8KOURVx0WIYKCRMlbVA7pp6QW1XDhEU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qgKn26H5V4kyTJUo+nSx359tNdGeGu5gxB0QXoQAhPmnbe3/4G2vjAcOLVe671LOk8NSVbeAzSNr1SLGLeWoJRIs0UAwKrGtLkYAFKGX1ZYtvvb38N92jPbx34B9FJeesLGE282CvkV59XqXpTKtMhu+iskhDK3vShKOwcKqNhk= Received: by 10.70.41.19 with SMTP id o19mr12850912wxo.1187711870517; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190708210857y683b8cb4s67134bfbeeded3cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:57:50 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Coffee and Tea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: fb154312-4016-4157-8d5d-3e003454a8a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CB121A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Penny - thanks for the tips re: the coffee grounds. My husband does what very little planting we do around here because I have a very brown thumb, but I put some cooled grounds + water in kitty grass today, and I'll see how it goes. Albert - I'm from GA and I've never liked Iced tea. You're not alone. Allison T. On 8/21/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:52:40 -0400 > From: "Penny Ladnier" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <002a01c7e39e$583d9fc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Allison, > > My mother taught to just add them to the soil's surface. We always added it > after the coffee grounds had cooled. I have had some house plants for over > 20 years. > > I have a very green thumb. When I decided to go back to college, my > decision between majors was horticulture or fashion. I decided for fashion > because I hate working in the heat of August. Here are two photos of my > latest pride and joys from my garden. > ***9 ft. cannas and 10 ft. tall sunflower. Neither have been fertilized. > My son standing in-between the flowers is 6 ft. tall: > http://www.costumegallery.com/flowers/P1060106lg.jpg > ***Zinnias and butterfly: > http://www.costumegallery.com/flowers/P1010010lg.jpg > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 12:27:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGRLFN028743 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:27:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LGRMI3011811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:27:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LGR45W094254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGQxTx054111; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGACuT031990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l7LGA3xx005685 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:10:10 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50058.72.13.239.193.1187713299.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <410-22007822182715640@earthlink.net> References: <410-22007822182715640@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 6ff0245b-5be3-42ed-9217-578a9500ecdb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CB126A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:27:26 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Sharon Collier >> >> Oops! I don't know. I thought I made it up. (Dang, all the good ideas >> are already taken) I don't know if it's copyright infringement if it's the >> title of a fashion show. So many books are called _A History of Costume_ that we refer to them by the author's name. Copyright infringement is if you copy and sell or hand out a portion of the book. With titles, you're talking about trademark. In that case, will it be confused with the original product? I doubt 7-Up will sue for classrooms to stop playing the game of the same name on rainy days. Likewise calling a fashion show "The Way We Wore" or "A History of Costume" is not going to harm sales of the books. You might get in trouble if you called it Microsoft or Disney because people would assume you had their sponsorship. Are you planning to make a video of the parade and distribute it? If that's the case, then you would want to do more research on names. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 12:31:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGV1cn028860 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LGUuwo026000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LDDbt9050710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDDZ6e017504; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDDWiw017354 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:13:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c53.1d716d41 (42807) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:13:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:13:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73127f68-fa96-4fcb-9528-961d20b57f22 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CB1340.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:05 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/21/2007 9:00:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ckinsey@kumc.edu writes: Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in 1957? **************** A reprinted Sears catalogue of the period maybe. Or, most libraries have old copies of magazines from the 50's. Check the ads. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 12:31:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGV2Oa028863 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LGUuwq026000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LDGUOu051161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDGTIt020580; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDGPTh020506 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.29.221] (core-dc-4-221.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.29.221]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDGMFh007782 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:16:22 -0700 Message-ID: <46CAE63B.1050804@theoldforest.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:18:51 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Sharon Collier wrote: > Oops! I don't know. I thought I made it up. (Dang, all the good ideas are > already taken) I don't know if it's copyright infringement if it's the title > of a fashion show. According to a quick check at Bookfinder.com at least 7 people have published books that start out 'the Way We wore' and then sometimes elaborated after that (Styles of the 30s & 40s, Fashion Illustration of Children's Wear, Vintage Paper Doll.....) So you certainly could use it, but it won't be quite as original as you had hoped. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 12:31:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGV9O0028867 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LGUuws026000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LDJGf2051829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDJFXp023634; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDJCFp023475 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:19:03 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l7LDJ3V07336 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:19:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 21 Aug 2007 08:19:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:19:02 -0500 References: <200708211305.l7LD5aB6009200@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <46CA9FE5.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200708211305.l7LD5aB6009200@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: re:iced drinks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96164ec9-eb35-4606-bd84-f60ae647cb5d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CB1340.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Sweet tea is popular in the midwest (Kansas City area), altho not automatically served in restaurants. My husband used to make very good sweet tea with a MrCoffee iced tea maker: http://www.mrcoffee.com/productmodels.aspx?categoryid=2 He would add about a half cup of sugar to the hopper with the tea bags so that it dissolved completely as the tea brewed. While not an iced tea expert I have to admit that this was really good iced tea. He's been using the same machine for years, but we are on our second set of pitchers :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 12:40:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGe9W2029018 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:40:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LGeADP001385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:40:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LGdcAk098380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGcZfg070101; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LGcSaH069814 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cdb.155cce36 (29679) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:38:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:37:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Some Comments To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62593dc1-4c87-45ad-a082-c568094f262c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CB156A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:40:14 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/21/2007 12:22:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: Now I'm at it again, this time to New York. I remember doing the Orchard St. shopping blitz many years ago, but now it seems the stores are more concentrated in the 30s. ************* Yes, the upper 30s on the west side is full of fabric shops....many, alas, with the same stuff out in front. But it can be fun to dig through the bolts. I've always wanted to shop at Mood, just to see what's there but I could never find the damn place! The last time I was in the city, my friend finally told me it not at street level. But then he said he's never found the door to go up!! LOL. As you can see....we really aren't trying very hard, are we? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 13:23:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHNmAU030069 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:23:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LHNi0L031655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:23:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LHMtoW016429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHLJVQ030417; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHKpUU029727 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02082 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:26:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:26:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 In-Reply-To: <46CA9B34.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85edba11-c3d4-4265-94dd-c16ac7d8218a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CB1FA0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:23:52 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in > 1957? I'm not looking for a current value but what something would > have cost in 1957. Specifically a cocktail length wedding dress?? The fastest way I can think of to get the answer is in the microfilm room of my local library, which has archives of newspapers going way back ... including ad sections. I'd go for the Sunday New York Times or a similar paper with large Sunday ad supplements. You might have to go through a few months (I can't remember what season is the big one for wedding dress sales), but eventually you'll find an ad for a bridal show or sale that will have pictures with prices. A similar resource is old magazines. Modern Bride or Bride's Magazine might not go back that far, but Vogue and Ladies' Home Journal may occasionally feature wedding dresses. Try the Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature for your target year to find magazine features on wedding gowns, then see if you can get the magazine on microfilm or fiche. You'll need a good-sized library for this. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 13:27:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHR3kg030145 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:27:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LHR3Vu022480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LDsbQe059278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDsaom062742; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:54:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDsW3t062593 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070821135428.VGFX22245.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:54:28 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id eduS1X0023Dnkwc0000000; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:54:26 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c7e3fa$c61543c0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46CA9B34.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca966e54-672f-40ea-ba8d-bc86d36c50e3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CB2067.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Here's another, of a nice dress. Says that $350.00 was a lot of money for a wedding dress at the time. Today, that's dirt cheap. http://www.thevintagevault.citymax.com/catalog/item/256734/45142.htm Now, I'm off to go work on my own costumes today! Yay! ::L:: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 13:27:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHRWTZ030178 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:27:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LHR3Vw022480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:27:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LDp2QA058329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDnv88057125; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LDnkbo056875 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070821134940.VBJD20645.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:49:40 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id edpg1X0093Dnkwc0000000; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:49:41 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:49:34 -0400 Message-ID: <007101c7e3fa$1c0160d0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46CA9B34.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fd8be66-7763-4e3c-83dc-4e985cefaf60 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CB2067.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Naturally price could vary quite a bit, just as today. (Off the rack from China vs. designer or custom made) Here's one site that might be useful. Note the wedding dress price is for "sample" dresses, so may not be very accurate. http://www.gti.net/mocolib1/prices/1958.html ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:59 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in 1957? I'm not looking for a current value but what something would have cost in 1957. Specifically a cocktail length wedding dress?? My in-laws are having their 50th annv. in 2 weeks and the kids want to prepare a card where the punchline is "50 years together, priceless". They are trying to find the cost of typical wedding items from this year for the rest of the bit. For some reason they thought I would know about the dress :). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 13:31:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHVMar030274 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:31:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LHVGr3008155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:31:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LHTrhM019519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHTntv043528; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHTjU8043282 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49153] helo=[192.168.1.7]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id FB/F4-27528-F781BC64 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:53:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200708211639.l7LGcbkj070130@net.indra.com> References: <200708211639.l7LGcbkj070130@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:29:34 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Walmart cloth...good news/bad news... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31f83f5c-33e0-4160-8535-7e4168199a5d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CB2164.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:31:25 -0400 (EDT) At 10:39 AM -0600 8/21/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Ooh, thanks Denise. THAT was my exciting costume news that I forgot to >share! > >I was in our Norfolk, Va. Walmart last week, and also noticed that the >$1.00 bolt table was restocked. I found my favorite sales lady and she >said that indeed, they were keeping their fabric department and were >replacing the racks that had been removed! YIPPPEEEEE!!!!! >She said that everything was planned to go back to the way it used to >be. > >So, I guess Walmart paid attention to the fact that they don't need to >be "upscale"- that is not their target market. I'm not sure what is >going on with the other service oriented departments that were under the >knife, such as paint, automotive and fish. Fish, now that's one section >I'd be very happy to see out of our Walmart. It's so bad I'm surprised >PETA hasn't found out about it! > >::Linda:: Well the Walmart near I95 in Belair MD had their 75% off sale, cleared the store of cloth very quickly and now has stupid Halloween pumpkins in the rack space... the Aberdeen one still has cloth for now. I guess it may be store by store decision. Silly to hammer the Belair one as they always sold a ton of quilting stuff and had a better selection than the others. But if the others don't stock as well, the Corporate can point fingers and claim it to be a loss... Oh and they seem to be keeping the fish section, but it a well tended one and the fish seem healthy. SIGH Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 13:47:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHl4Rd030849 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:47:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LHl4t2027400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:47:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LHkKeC026756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHkGkB066023; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:46:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHk5CA065717 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l7LHk3ZO017831 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GUONC4 (dhcp073104.fhcrc.org [140.107.73.104]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l7LHjs6b026037 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004401c7e41b$24e97cc0$68496b8c@fhcrc.org> From: "Agnes Gawne" To: References: <200708211639.l7LGcbkk070130@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:45:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT- brewing iced tea X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc69b714-2776-4c99-a9ee-bdd11de48fb9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CB2518.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Funny enough I just got an email from Cooks Illustrated about their tea tasting -- here's the link if you would like to read it. http://www.cooksillustrated.com/printtasting.asp?tastingid=592&bdc=7104 or http://www.cooksillustrated.com/tasting.asp?tastingid=592&bdc=7104&extcode=N07MH1AA1 They are the people that have a TV show on PBS and a cooking magazine without advertisements. Now- back to topic. the best tea dying I have found is from Nambarrie's Tea from Belfast - it dyes cups, teeth and fabrics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 13:59:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHxGCk031294 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:59:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LHxGpe023964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:59:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LHwk6R029658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:58:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHwhKu082536; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LHwbPg082259 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 615677368-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.37.168 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkZAA7EykZPSCWo/2dsb2JhbAASgUKWJgQ Received: from 79-72-37-168.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.37.168]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2007 18:58:31 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070821185340.0339ce58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:58:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT- brewing iced tea In-Reply-To: <004401c7e41b$24e97cc0$68496b8c@fhcrc.org> References: <200708211639.l7LGcbkk070130@net.indra.com> <004401c7e41b$24e97cc0$68496b8c@fhcrc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc97b660-9667-4713-9d83-d6751c4e02c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CB27F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:59:20 -0400 (EDT) At 18:45 21/08/2007, you wrote: >Funny enough I just got an email from Cooks Illustrated about their tea >tasting -- here's the link if you would like to read it. >http://www.cooksillustrated.com/printtasting.asp?tastingid=592&bdc=7104 > >or >http://www.cooksillustrated.com/tasting.asp?tastingid=592&bdc=7104&extcode=N07MH1AA1 > >They are the people that have a TV show on PBS and a cooking magazine >without advertisements. > > >Now- back to topic. > >the best tea dying I have found is from Nambarrie's Tea from Belfast - it >dyes cups, teeth and fabrics. Well, now speaking as one who comes from a tea drinking country, I get my tea from France!! Lipton's make a Tchae which I cannot buy in the U.K. or the U.S., so every so often we make an excursion across to France, and buy up the whole box/shelf. However, recently I have found a green tea from China that I can buy in quantity too. But tea with milk - yeuck! I like iced tea too, but in Washington I had one and realised it should have been sweetened. And would you believe the iced tea I can buy in bottles in the supermarket is not the same as Anne was getting me, same name, same label, in Virginia. Pfffft!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 14:06:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LI6UmR031481 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:06:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LI6VO4023897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:06:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LI5gJG031017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LI5ZK4091409; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LI5UN5091226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.212] (209-148-118-212.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l7LHpRwE007168 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:51:30 -0700 Message-ID: <46CB2624.40105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:51:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? References: <410-22007822182715640@earthlink.net> <50058.72.13.239.193.1187713299.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <50058.72.13.239.193.1187713299.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 059aee79-bdc0-43ff-a7b9-0f229f2e79af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CB29A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:06:35 -0400 (EDT) > > Copyright infringement is if you copy and sell or hand out a portion > of the book. With titles, you're talking about trademark. In that > case, will it be confused with the original product? I doubt 7-Up will sue for classrooms to stop playing the game of the > same name on rainy days. Unlike copyrights, trademarks are not granted automatically. Most book titles are not trademarked, although it is more likely in the case of ongoing series such as "For Dummies." On the other hand, whether you get caught and if so, punished is not much of an ethical guideline. Neither is your personal opinion of whether sales will be harmed, as you have no access the sales figures and cannot know. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 14:33:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LIXN1g032196 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LIXNhv014551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LEQbw3065836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:26:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LEQZWq099919; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [206.18.177.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LEQWK9099704 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070821142626b1400phqfne>; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:26:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <007101c7e3fa$1c0160d0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> References: <007101c7e3fa$1c0160d0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:26:25 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 396f0c27-9a15-4764-8f95-22bc80d400d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CB2FF3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:27 -0400 (EDT) I don't think China was making Western fashions for export in the 1950s. On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Linda Rice wrote: > Naturally price could vary quite a bit, just as today. (Off the rack > from China vs. designer or custom made) > > Here's one site that might be useful. Note the wedding dress price is > for "sample" dresses, so may not be very accurate. > http://www.gti.net/mocolib1/prices/1958.html > > ::Linda:: > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:59 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 > > Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in > 1957? I'm not looking for a current value but what something would > have > cost in 1957. Specifically a cocktail length wedding dress?? > > My in-laws are having their 50th annv. in 2 weeks and the kids want to > prepare a card where the punchline is "50 years together, priceless". > They are trying to find the cost of typical wedding items from this > year > for the rest of the bit. For some reason they thought I would know > about the dress :). > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 14:33:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LIXqi3032208 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LIXru8014792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LEOUCv065383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:24:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LEOSNE097450; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:24:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LEOOQn097364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:24:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l7LEOFP5024272 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:24:22 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63043.72.13.239.193.1187706950.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <006b01c7e3d5$46e76ee0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> References: <000401c7e3cc$3a20f360$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <006b01c7e3d5$46e76ee0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] regional things, was re: iced drinks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72928186-ef4d-4886-834a-e8e7ff9c34d7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CB3011.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:57 -0400 (EDT) > True sweet tea is made by adding the sugar when the tea is still warm, > so that it dissolves completely. I've made it that way - it makes sense. To me, the funniest thing is that people in different areas will claim theirs is "the best" iced tea. My mom is a good one for that - rather than saying she likes the tea in her area, she tells me they claim it's the best. So I said I heard that people in North Carolina claim *theirs* is the best. >;-> These days there are so many teas, blends and tisanes that are good cold. I suppose you can't make "sun tea" as proper sweet tea. And some blends are lovely without sugar, the same way as I like some hot teas with or without milk and sugar depending on the type of tea. As homogenized as things get these days, we still have regional differences, besides the obvious climate and sports team themes. Hmmmn, does that steer it back to costume? :-) Actually one thing that is interesting is the amount of consumer pressure these days compared to 25 or 30 years ago. My niece is starting college this year and had to coordinate with her new roommate on the colors and styles of sheets, towels, curtains, etc. For myself and my brothers, we were allowed to root through the linen closet for things to take to school. :-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 14:33:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LIXrmX032211 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LIXruA014792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LEW19s066901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LEW0NY006096; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7LEVvhN005926 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDNX73SA63RMYS for (sender ); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhggkxDe85funv5r/NtyPxgfk= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MVN4CRJQ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:30:14 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:26:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20070821.072912.4012.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,9-10,15-54 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 19:9:219393224 X-MAIL-INFO: 28891c59694df1e89c899c1c58dc38989c1805a9ad61f5289138d9f838d891fcd959c145e81c89e84d68c19c8d699c096941255dec453d8539583d99cd9dbccdb905ace91929d500417d4cad194c8dd16d493cd8a58d2c4c4c610c85994935cdf1911105f528d9c5159c1509ac0d09acec6cacec05d928dd38e9dcc8dd591819dc91596568f8594d8988c58dc5e825ec1cacc56c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] easy to care for plants: was Re: coffee X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c11101d3-bc00-4307-b42d-8c272fbc75c2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CB3011.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Heather and wallflower are lovely too, and very easy to care for. The purple heather that you find in the PacNWet blooms in the spring and fall. Plant it in peat moss, see that it's watered once a weekand feed it with a general plant food every few months. It puts out a beautiful cloverlike flower and the bees love it. excellent if you live in an area hit by bee blight--help those little creatures recover. Wallflower is a bush with thin leaves and throws out beautiful stalks of blooms. Plant it in regular soil, and care for as you would heather. Again, bees love it. Prune both plants back from time to time--heather for shaping (as it grows, it becomes excellent ground cover) and the wallflower stalks back to the bush level as the blooms die off. It also covers ground well. It likes medium to full sunlight; my heather grows in a mostly shaded area and doesn't seem to mind. Enjoy your beautiful garden and the compliments! Arlys On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:05:19 EDT AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 8/21/2007 4:42:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > sharon@collierfam.com writes: > > Then you should try Cannas > > > ************ > > And daylilies. Talk about maintenance free! And they come is some > amazing > varieties, not just the tawny ditch lily. Check out this vendor! > > _http://www.oakesdaylilies.com/supplier/home.php?id=s000_ > (http://www.oakesdaylilies.com/supplier/home.php?id=s000) > > > Of course the actual blooms only last a day so you can't really cut > them and > bring them inside. But they bloom day after day, especially if you > water > them when they 1st start coming up in the spring. They spread too. > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 15:00:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LJ0GKP000651 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:00:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LJ0Gok029203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LEgU7F070144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LEgSNp019294; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7LEgNn7018958 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail12.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABDNX8PKAB2UURJ for (sender ); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn70RcRq4ReXs66nnz088pRPa7eNjeKsU/Xw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MVN4ZGLJ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:41:32 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:40:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:40:46 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070821.094046.26956.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3345684414 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|webmail12.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65c7da4d-d803-47d2-8fd1-022cb31be9cb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CB3640.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) I believe that old Sears catalogs are available various places and other= large stores might also have records of their offerings from back 'in t= he day'. They would be a good source for middle-class average costs. = Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 21 15:17:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LJHswi001269 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:17:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7LJHoSK017326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7LJGnkn043549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:16:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LJGkZK073841; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:16:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7LJGgYQ073665 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1187723207-5ebc000f0000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 8D58C733110 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:06:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra1.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id TFPMTBkdWNTTE8Wq for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:06:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC80073A27C for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:06:47 +0200 Message-ID: <018601c7e426$8e6b8610$e600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200708211639.l7LGcbkk070130@net.indra.com> <004401c7e41b$24e97cc0$68496b8c@fhcrc.org> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: tea as dye Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:07:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1187723207 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tea as dye X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2fc8ebc-ae4d-461b-93bc-3cfbea59e102 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CB3A5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:17:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Agnes Gawne" > the best tea dying I have found is from Nambarrie's Tea from Belfast - it > dyes cups, teeth and fabrics. My experiment with saving used tea bags for future tea dying did not end well. Rather, it ended with me holding something at arm's length and sprinting for the trash. Oh, well, luckily tea's not that expensive anymore. I've been trying different types of teas lately, now that I'm trying to get back into drinking it daily, and have been surprised to notice how wide a range of colors I see. When I was half the age I am now, I tried tea dying as a means of giving something an antiquey look, and gave up in disgust at the pinky peachy caucasian-flesh-tone I kept getting. Now I wish I'd tried different types of tea instead of giving up! My spent green tea bags stain the paper towel I put them on the perfect yellowed linen color... When I'm done running around like a chicken with its head cut off planning my move/house-building/house purchase halfway across the country (WA, NH, MT, or WY, depending on which job the husband takes) I plan to try various types of cheap grocery store tea to find out what color each yields. Unless anyone knows of a website out there where someone has already done the work for me! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 00:10:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7M4A434015211 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:10:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7M49x3C019588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:10:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7M4959Q016067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7M48wUC072518; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7M48ssG072448 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1INhWW3BlD-0008VB; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:08:54 -0400 Message-ID: <007b01c7e472$22036140$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:08:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+ZqL53COTI6JXYghXAfG3o7xPrsNn/HDUZqSb afvpNAa1kDbmRzoq+PyFGVFXSMSyiHWWXRfWSaov/Mx/vODqX7 ynz4c73TUlkXg2/NhL/uQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More Comments: Costume Content X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 832e6fa6-cbfd-42f3-8be8-3f8761d06c6e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CBB717.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:10:08 -0400 (EDT) For those interested and the recent discussion: Tonight/Early Wed. = morning History International is running a Modern Marvels show about the = history of sugar. Following this, the show, Where did it Come From: = Ancient China's Agriculture. Also, WE tv is auctioning on eBay one of Princess Diana's dresses from = the original Christie's auction. = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D290148990656&= ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWA:IT&ih=3D019 The opening bid, $250,000. This dress was made by Catherine Walker. = Make sure to click on the slide show. WE owns two more of her dresses = and they are supposed to be on tour. Has anyone heard of the tour and = where it is going? The King Tut exhibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been to = it? I would like to know if it is worth the trip. I was going to see = the exhibit in Florida when it was there. A friend told my sister that = this tour was not that good. I would like some feedback from someone = who has seen it in PA, CA, or FL. Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 01:47:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7M5lEkD020543 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:47:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7M5lEo5009852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:47:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7M5i2hZ026711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7M5hxaD044305; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7M5htF0044204 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=sYwa8ReOGPE3DLicStUR3ZPf4fxN1MgkGEiPJR4Boe+Ar1ySTBkhg19m5LN2WB8Q; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.116.122] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1INj0Q-0003w0-Gk for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:43:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <007b01c7e472$22036140$6801a8c0@momlaptop> References: <007b01c7e472$22036140$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <091FC5FF-3267-4E25-9AC5-BFC047AE46DE@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:42:06 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c019777e8d54fbbde7430a57950a5ea3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.116.122 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52bd100b-1c9b-431d-bc64-b2c772a188d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CBCDE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:47:18 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > The King Tut exhibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been > to it? I would like to know if it is worth the trip. I was going > to see the exhibit in Florida when it was there. A friend told my > sister that this tour was not that good. I would like some > feedback from someone who has seen it in PA, CA, or FL. Co-workers of mine who went to see it were disappointed, mostly (I gathered) because they hadn't realized beforehand that some of the most spectacular artifacts stayed home this time, such as the famous gold mask. Reading between the lines, though, it sounded pretty interesting to me as long as you go with an open mind and don't assume it's necessarily designed for maximum "splash" like previous Tut exhibits. (Old armchair Egyptophile speaking here.) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 03:22:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7M7MnBV015329 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:22:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7M7Mo9F023077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:22:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7M7JoMH036372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7M7Jjh4013684; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web58514.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web58514.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7M7JeB0013461 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from txldyjuliana@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77318 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2007 07:19:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GLD8EjzXYQ4xWv26Yc9qASyMFi1PqB4aVoqewEbnCHpzstfYy6pAFQZYzNsUtPDOCMn01y1sPVGlQfZGy1XSzOmH2VrXBleYm5D1yYKKm/BKkfIRJjQagHujjElkUI2QsKif6O958LeqF8bhu+PjIrRu4cm0vjLhgtt6+p9iGSQ=; X-YMail-OSG: .z5mNgkVM1m.ZZtI91M_qtT.n3B4Zw0kJrdeokqRhaKeWFxiw4O8Q9jdlh.2UKPbZoPeHx7u424XTEWrBnPP567Q79Umwidn6._qYOSCvz_wyR3w7EzmDoPFSVyKNjHH Received: from [209.169.103.219] by web58514.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:19:35 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: juliana foulare To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200708201800.l7KI0Src015017@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <149107.76472.qm@web58514.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1957 wedding dress price X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59898193-f197-4a92-8c86-c034986a58e3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CBE44A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Travel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 09:26:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MDQssb023996 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:26:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MDQsxs014652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:26:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MDQ4nq083595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MDQ0KS018582; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7MDPuDd018364 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46250 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2007 13:25:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=N8GSX5Yah7AQdeMhNntbZd6nB8uOzitc9xgMVUgxB3L3aX0I0NkbmpnwUuG/1ca0pPjCT89RrnVF+CdFqIXXSY014o2AtbIaz+26xxhzmX/uOHgwyr0DAXE6bU5VucqeD8GiSf/eDk+7quSIPjlyQWO4AMVQXg80hOHGJmp/C6w=; X-YMail-OSG: eLs_FeQVM1kOGoqDUCzzzs3ti1IV8qYrlpOZr.jTEtWYHxumFCx0o.MeQIdFYz6k75WUcDIIPiqDc8Zud2h4uf6lQNz_5WtzoT5UmlO7HXrkSmFGs_h3vj3eMB8mpw-- Received: from [139.177.224.71] by web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:25:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <186792.44467.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 699e3a0a-d1db-4314-b7eb-79c3558ed724 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CC399E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:26:58 -0400 (EDT) I saw the exhibit in Los Angeles and enjoyed it very much. I hadn't seen p= revious exhibits, though I've seen the magazine pictures.... and the gold m= ask was there. In terms of history and costume (particularly jewelry) it w= as very nice. I would recommend the effort! Kathy=0A=0A=0A----- Original = Message ----=0AFrom: Chris Laning =0ATo: Historical Costum= e =0ASent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:42:06 PM=0ASubj= ect: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content)=0A=0A= =0AOn Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote:=0A=0A> The King Tut ex= hibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been =0A> to it? I would l= ike to know if it is worth the trip. I was going =0A> to see the exhibit = in Florida when it was there. A friend told my =0A> sister that this tour= was not that good. I would like some =0A> feedback from someone who has = seen it in PA, CA, or FL.=0A=0ACo-workers of mine who went to see it were d= isappointed, mostly (I =0Agathered) because they hadn't realized beforeha= nd that some of the =0Amost spectacular artifacts stayed home this time, s= uch as the famous =0Agold mask.=0A=0AReading between the lines, though, it= sounded pretty interesting to =0Ame as long as you go with an open mind a= nd don't assume it's =0Anecessarily designed for maximum "splash" like pre= vious Tut exhibits. =0A(Old armchair Egyptophile speaking here.)=0A=0A____= ________________________________________________________=0A=0AO Chris La= ning - Davis, California=0A+ http://paternoster-row.o= rg - http://paternosters.blogspot.com=0A___________________________________= _________________________=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________________= _________=0Ah-costume mailing list=0Ah-costume@mail.indra.com=0Ahttp://mail= .indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=0A=0A=0A _______________________= _____________________________________________________________=0ALuggage? 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Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 11:20:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MFKJfW031448 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:20:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MFKKIT018457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MFJOqX006497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MFJGU5049887; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MFJBQb049620 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.19]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:19:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.64.24 by BAY133-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:19:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.64.24] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:19:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:19:13 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2007 15:19:05.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6FE5B70:01C7E4CF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New York City Shopping. Was: Some Comments X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62911cfb-c677-45a2-a122-b0e76db8e71b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CC5434.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:20:24 -0400 (EDT) I was there shopping last year at just about this time. I saw no fabric = out front the two or three days I was there.=20 Also, I found no "really cheap" fabric. All in all, looking for linen = and wool and silk, I was disappointed by the selection. If you are = looking for high end fabric, like stuff which is beaded - there is tons! The fashion district information kiosk was never opened the whole time I = was there. (The one next to the bronze tailor statue). =20 Here is a link to some information about shopping there: http://www.paulanadelstern.com/fabric/guides/index.html There are several stores on second story level. You can see the stuff = from the street, just poke around and don't be afraid to ask for = directions! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Some Comments In a message dated 8/21/2007 12:22:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: Now I'm at it again, this time to New York. I remember doing the = Orchard=20 St. shopping blitz many years ago, but now it seems the stores are = more =20 concentrated in the 30s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 12:00:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MG0M2x000761 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:00:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MG0NPw014300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:00:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MFtmGs014267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MFtc5k095372; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MFtSeT095036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local (ip093005.uvm.edu [132.198.93.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l7MFtLjQ017244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:55:25 -0400 Message-ID: <46CC5C6C.1030700@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:55:24 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New York City Shopping. Was: Some Comments References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f823b733-2d3b-4429-ba56-9831749feb5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CC5D97.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Excellent! A wonderful resource. Thanks. - Hope Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Here is a link to some information about shopping there: > http://www.paulanadelstern.com/fabric/guides/index.html > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 13:05:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MH5Hpu004298 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:05:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MH5H1X023984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:05:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MH4QhC027528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MH4MFk075891; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MH4J4a075716 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so172631nfd for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:04:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=stKKijSOCqCWnWtb+ZgrUkgBwIlfsiKoRzBm3N6Ou++ue2ebTeoI/PUU0YCx8O26lvSZA+14Eyyw+EDVDmwwOYhkOAUH0CTgSicIRYi005lLae0CLCxBLAmC+OzbH0ic+Ch6fav/2dcye+Jr28C4m94jHrFtlL6Vl9TkYRWSVyU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sRTZ11uCDFJRlo7zpUBPZJ87uev3NC1kpFlgZM6NkG9vUMMnP9tOfRE6CMu+ALFulR8O8qmev9BKAME4TWnac1LlT2MQyX56Z14eBPael/UMk16wpbW8qPtQRyO66RAH2ir/y3apewZ3njDt0DPU0SH/zUuyJN539U3/+OsN5IY= Received: by 10.78.171.13 with SMTP id t13mr598655hue.1187802250097; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0708221004v6e93fda0of6f94e448f4ea05b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:04:10 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) In-Reply-To: <186792.44467.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <186792.44467.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c46828ea-3396-4fef-bc80-2c0f3b6c93dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CC6CCD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:05:21 -0400 (EDT) I also went while it was in L.A., and I saw it as a 20-something (22?) when the exhibit was in San Francisco at the de Young in the 70s. Yes, this tour doesn't have the mask, but it has more, much more than I remember at the first show. It has the ebony throne with insets you've seen all your life while looking at the Tutankhamon books. The chest with the Pharoah in the chariot hunting is there and even more lovely than in the best photograph you've ever seen. It has a leather dog collar, showing the fine work that was done on this everyday object. I was lucky enough to be walking with a man who does leather work and a woman who works with natural dyes. Their input on this little object make it alive. The way the exhibit was set up was very nice; it gave some good history and actually showed a decent map of the whole Valley of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens with the more famous tombs listed. It merged my picture of the Valley and what I had learned together and made more sense. I spent the extra money and rented the audio package offered; imagine my pleasure to hear both Omar Shariff and Dr. Hawass, Head of the Department of Egyptian Antiquitites (or something like that) on this package. This whole exhibit brought tears to my eyes several times - especially the canoptic jar with the lioness lounging on the top with her tongue out and the walking cane with the handle carved as a Nubian slave. I rode to LACMA on a bus with a tour from Costume College, and I actually had to skip the last room and the shop in order to get to the bus at the appointed time, I had spent so much time looking at the objects on display. The exhibit that toured in the 1970s was an exhibit of objects, lovely objects but there was no attempt to put them into perspective of the time when they were in use; they were in display cases under lights under guard with small notes saying what they were, when given to the collection, etc., the ususal stuff in a museum. This current exhibit really explains them to those people who haven't been, as Chris said, an "armchair Egyptophile" for 40 years as I have. I'm sure this is also a process of change from what a museum was in 1970-something to now. Also, as a tour it has been underwritten by companies who have put big bucks into the display of these gorgeous objects. SO, the bottom line? Yeah, I think it would be worth it to see the exhibit. If you've ever read any book about Tutankhamon and seen any pictures, you can almost guarantee that you'll see it in the exhibit -- and things you've never seen before. Except the mask. LynnD On 8/22/07, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > I saw the exhibit in Los Angeles and enjoyed it very much. I hadn't seen previous exhibits, though I've seen the magazine pictures.... and the gold mask was there. In terms of history and costume (particularly jewelry) it was very nice. I would recommend the effort! Kathy > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chris Laning > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:42:06 PM > Subject: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) > > > On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > The King Tut exhibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been > > to it? I would like to know if it is worth the trip. I was going > > to see the exhibit in Florida when it was there. A friend told my > > sister that this tour was not that good. I would like some > > feedback from someone who has seen it in PA, CA, or FL. > > Co-workers of mine who went to see it were disappointed, mostly (I > gathered) because they hadn't realized beforehand that some of the > most spectacular artifacts stayed home this time, such as the famous > gold mask. > > Reading between the lines, though, it sounded pretty interesting to > me as long as you go with an open mind and don't assume it's > necessarily designed for maximum "splash" like previous Tut exhibits. > (Old armchair Egyptophile speaking here.) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Luggage? 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In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708211639.l7LGcbkj070130@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6836d66f-f04c-4970-9818-a3004d69082a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CC6F34.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:15:36 -0400 (EDT) The little one in Dade City, Florida is keeping theirs. Good thing too, it's 50 miles to the closest JoAnns! However, many others in the state closed their out. ****************************************** > >I was in our Norfolk, Va. Walmart last week, and also noticed that the > >$1.00 bolt table was restocked. I found my favorite sales lady and she > >said that indeed, they were keeping their fabric department and were > >replacing the racks that had been removed! YIPPPEEEEE!!!!! > >She said that everything was planned to go back to the way it used to > >be. > >-- ********************************************** Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 13:28:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MHS2wt005057 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:28:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MHS2n7023175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:28:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MHQtle031368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:26:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MHQrZF003354; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:26:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sys30.mail.msu.edu (sys30.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MHQl3s003229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:26:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from osermart@msu.edu) Received: from osermart by sys30.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.63 #1) id 1INtyh-0004yw-1q for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:26:47 -0400 References: <200708221715.l7MHEtPt087975@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200708221715.l7MHEtPt087975@net.indra.com> From: "Martha Oser" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:26:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: King Tut Exhibit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ec5d82b-aa74-4604-9001-08f150381177 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CC7222.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:28:06 -0400 (EDT) > On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > >> The King Tut exhibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been >> to it? I would like to know if it is worth the trip. I was going >> to see the exhibit in Florida when it was there. A friend told my >> sister that this tour was not that good. I would like some >> feedback from someone who has seen it in PA, CA, or FL. > > Co-workers of mine who went to see it were disappointed, mostly (I > gathered) because they hadn't realized beforehand that some of the > most spectacular artifacts stayed home this time, such as the famous > gold mask. > > Reading between the lines, though, it sounded pretty interesting to > me as long as you go with an open mind and don't assume it's > necessarily designed for maximum "splash" like previous Tut exhibits. > (Old armchair Egyptophile speaking here.) I saw it in Chicago last year, and I agree - a lot of the "best" stuff is still in Egypt, including Tut's death mask. However, they had a ton of cool things from a wide variety of tombs. The exhibit wasn't all just King Tut - it actually covered more of the family situation leading up to the reign of King Tut, as well as his own time. Do keep an open mind, though, particularly in regards to the parts about how Tut "restored" the old religion after he gained the throne. Remember that he was only 9 or 10 years old at the time, so to my mind it's rather unlikely that he was doing anything without the guidance/influence/control of his advisors! -Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 14:15:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MIFRJ3006759 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:15:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MIFS8q015913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MIEMCn043335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MIEDrX064322; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MGetTm049144 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:40:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:40:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.64.24 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:40:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.64.24] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New York City Shopping. - Greenberg & Hammer Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:40:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:40:59 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2007 16:40:50.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[32E70480:01C7E4DB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bad4222c-aee0-4d35-9dc7-83e9f2114b37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46CC7D40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Oh, and don't bother hiking all the way up to Greenberg & Hammer. It is = a teeny weenie store with almost nothing to see. IMHO, their catalogue = is a much better way to shop. Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Saragrace Knauf=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: [h-cost] New York City Shopping. Was: Some Comments I was there shopping last year at just about this time. I saw no = fabric out front the two or three days I was there.=20 Also, I found no "really cheap" fabric. All in all, looking for linen = and wool and silk, I was disappointed by the selection. If you are = looking for high end fabric, like stuff which is beaded - there is tons! The fashion district information kiosk was never opened the whole time = I was there. (The one next to the bronze tailor statue). =20 Here is a link to some information about shopping there: = http://www.paulanadelstern.com/fabric/guides/index.html> There are several stores on second story level. You can see the stuff = from the street, just poke around and don't be afraid to ask for = directions! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: = AlbertCat@aol.com>=20 To: = h-costume@indra.com>=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Some Comments In a message dated 8/21/2007 12:22:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 = hope.greenberg@uvm.edu> writes: Now I'm at it again, this time to New York. I remember doing the = Orchard=20 St. shopping blitz many years ago, but now it seems the stores are = more =20 concentrated in the 30s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 14:36:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MIaYRS007563 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:36:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MIaZLC008325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:36:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MIZwrb047505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MIZtbX090616; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MIZqlf090480 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so177844rvb for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:35:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EX8VU6A9UJJBRoi04EV8TGX6Tm0otgkFySkimSXS6gnLVFCyHJZAtruD8TmNxoGUoQNs9pZQ/P3MNE070F5KAlq8u1tAzcif+2hP4x+LSMBtrz+IS5CWNgg9cA5gHgTvQN8ywMtNiOiorDfFuInz39uoEHHGLjNMN8bn/IU7+lc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KL4hUxz/GdpAADd4A/hIo9k2jQhQywwbiyiYbKGKsNkAw7LmcdFM8Ez3mSsg6a3YiGTqTcNqw4W7geEqQVViMj0HyJKv8fvDYO0JkYwjiOygBjUVD+GRqDgmLrP8tqDYAlGYm+W0UIKwJ75KPOmcKkX9rhKV/0IbGaXKpe5Fjmo= Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr464764rvh.1187807746995; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190708221135k3c91989ch7c9258d63ee0018d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:35:46 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: King Tut Exhibit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: daa0de65-b6a1-4ced-8af9-c03ee107fcc0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CC8233.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Seconding what Martha said - a lot of the more famous items did stay home (I'm still irked that the death mask is used in the promotional material, but is not included in the exhibit), but a lot of the items included are those that seldom leave Egypt and are in what in my untutored mind is an astoundingly good state of preservation, especially the furniture. The exhibit also provides a broader context of Tut's reign, including artifacts from his predecessors (I especially enjoyed some of Akhenaten's artifacts that I'd only seen in books before). I recommend going, if only to relive some of the nostalgia for the glitzier 1970s touring exhibit (which I saw when I was 4 and still remember parts of). Obligatory textile/costume content: there is a statue that contains in it's varnish the imprint of whatever textile (linen, I think) that it was veiled with at the time of burial. Allison T. On 8/22/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:26:46 -0400 > From: "Martha Oser" > Subject: [h-cost] Re: King Tut Exhibit > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" > > > On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > >> The King Tut exhibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been > >> to it? I would like to know if it is worth the trip. I was going > >> to see the exhibit in Florida when it was there. A friend told my > >> sister that this tour was not that good. I would like some > >> feedback from someone who has seen it in PA, CA, or FL. > > > > Co-workers of mine who went to see it were disappointed, mostly (I > > gathered) because they hadn't realized beforehand that some of the > > most spectacular artifacts stayed home this time, such as the famous > > gold mask. > > > > Reading between the lines, though, it sounded pretty interesting to > > me as long as you go with an open mind and don't assume it's > > necessarily designed for maximum "splash" like previous Tut exhibits. > > (Old armchair Egyptophile speaking here.) > > I saw it in Chicago last year, and I agree - a lot of the "best" stuff is > still in Egypt, including Tut's death mask. However, they had a ton of cool > things from a wide variety of tombs. The exhibit wasn't all just King Tut - > it actually covered more of the family situation leading up to the reign of > King Tut, as well as his own time. > > Do keep an open mind, though, particularly in regards to the parts about how > Tut "restored" the old religion after he gained the throne. Remember that > he was only 9 or 10 years old at the time, so to my mind it's rather > unlikely that he was doing anything without the guidance/influence/control > of his advisors! > > -Martha > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > End of h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 391 > ***************************************** > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 15:13:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MJD5LJ008967 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:13:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MJD5iK023244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:13:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MJCIKR054123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MJCGg2033859; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7MJCBi4033652 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10156 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2007 19:12:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=cpvBJosBqcknuHEyXJYi9zq819lK/l/v+DlLhMScRLna6CueOX74PhKTNPOy4j48Fg2vQnAuvSZu+1yciqSGGD2j1CVlcZhduByynqHTNzIvWftX71Dnor1itADIK4SKaL1rgW0d6ivrIE4UWVM50xWcl3lT0Oxu7mgtltg7obc=; X-YMail-OSG: zXM.61YVM1mqbOmfcldzzJbeC2BySor2eW1ikffnAe2kabKDAPK8Y_7aQjW1czYWeZsKr5GJ6MX0qqpZlrbmZeK.SdpzLR31nwlFt9Gse0NC5eLJANPNWJJGa5CBDmNg7bQV687Ov9kbjpzvx_TlatlxRQ-- Received: from [139.177.224.71] by web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:12:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <633800.7442.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a9cfbb8-9e4a-40d2-8fbd-5d0ec6bd6b2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CC8AC1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) I must have been on the bus with you! Kathy=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message= ----=0AFrom: Lynn Downward =0ATo: Historical Costu= me =0ASent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:04:10 AM=0AS= ubject: Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content)= =0A=0A=0AI also went while it was in L.A., and I saw it as a 20-something (= 22?)=0Awhen the exhibit was in San Francisco at the de Young in the 70s. Ye= s,=0Athis tour doesn't have the mask, but it has more, much more than I=0Ar= emember at the first show. It has the ebony throne with insets you've=0Asee= n all your life while looking at the Tutankhamon books. The chest=0Awith th= e Pharoah in the chariot hunting is there and even more lovely=0Athan in th= e best photograph you've ever seen. It has a leather dog=0Acollar, showing = the fine work that was done on this everyday object. I=0Awas lucky enough t= o be walking with a man who does leather work and a=0Awoman who works with = natural dyes. Their input on this little object=0Amake it alive. The way th= e exhibit was set up was very nice; it gave=0Asome good history and actuall= y showed a decent map of the whole Valley=0Aof the Kings and the Valley of = the Queens with the more famous tombs=0Alisted. It merged my picture of the= Valley and what I had learned=0Atogether and made more sense. I spent the = extra money and rented the=0Aaudio package offered; imagine my pleasure to = hear both Omar Shariff=0Aand Dr. Hawass, Head of the Department of Egyptian= Antiquitites (or=0Asomething like that) on this package. This whole exhibi= t brought tears=0Ato my eyes several times - especially the canoptic jar wi= th the=0Alioness lounging on the top with her tongue out and the walking ca= ne=0Awith the handle carved as a Nubian slave. I rode to LACMA on a bus=0Aw= ith a tour from Costume College, and I actually had to skip the last=0Aroom= and the shop in order to get to the bus at the appointed time, I=0Ahad spe= nt so much time looking at the objects on display.=0A=0AThe exhibit that to= ured in the 1970s was an exhibit of objects, lovely=0Aobjects but there was= no attempt to put them into perspective of the=0Atime when they were in us= e; they were in display cases under lights=0Aunder guard with small notes s= aying what they were, when given to the=0Acollection, etc., the ususal stuf= f in a museum. This current exhibit=0Areally explains them to those people = who haven't been, as Chris said,=0Aan "armchair Egyptophile" for 40 years a= s I have. I'm sure this is=0Aalso a process of change from what a museum wa= s in 1970-something to=0Anow. Also, as a tour it has been underwritten by c= ompanies who have=0Aput big bucks into the display of these gorgeous object= s.=0A=0ASO, the bottom line? Yeah, I think it would be worth it to see the= =0Aexhibit. If you've ever read any book about Tutankhamon and seen any=0Ap= ictures, you can almost guarantee that you'll see it in the exhibit=0A-- an= d things you've never seen before. Except the mask.=0A=0ALynnD=0A=0AOn 8/22= /07, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:=0A> I saw the= exhibit in Los Angeles and enjoyed it very much. I hadn't seen previous e= xhibits, though I've seen the magazine pictures.... and the gold mask was t= here. In terms of history and costume (particularly jewelry) it was very n= ice. I would recommend the effort! Kathy=0A>=0A>=0A> ----- Original Messa= ge ----=0A> From: Chris Laning =0A> To: Historical Costume= =0A> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:42:06 PM=0A> S= ubject: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content)=0A>= =0A>=0A> On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote:=0A>=0A> > The Ki= ng Tut exhibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been=0A> > to it? = I would like to know if it is worth the trip. I was going=0A> > to see the= exhibit in Florida when it was there. A friend told my=0A> > sister that = this tour was not that good. I would like some=0A> > feedback from someone= who has seen it in PA, CA, or FL.=0A>=0A> Co-workers of mine who went to s= ee it were disappointed, mostly (I=0A> gathered) because they hadn't reali= zed beforehand that some of the=0A> most spectacular artifacts stayed home = this time, such as the famous=0A> gold mask.=0A>=0A> Reading between the li= nes, though, it sounded pretty interesting to=0A> me as long as you go with= an open mind and don't assume it's=0A> necessarily designed for maximum "s= plash" like previous Tut exhibits.=0A> (Old armchair Egyptophile speaking h= ere.)=0A>=0A> ____________________________________________________________= =0A>=0A> O Chris Laning - Davis, California=0A> + = http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com=0A> _________= ___________________________________________________=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> _______= ________________________________________=0A> h-costume mailing list=0A> h-c= ostume@mail.indra.com=0A> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume= =0A>=0A>=0A> ________________________________________________________= ____________________________=0A> Luggage? GPS? Comic books?=0A> Check out f= itting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search=0A> http://search.yahoo.com/search?= fr=3Doni_on_mail&p=3Dgraduation+gifts&cs=3Dbz=0A> _________________________= ______________________=0A> h-costume mailing list=0A> h-costume@mail.indra.= com=0A> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=0A>=0A____________= ___________________________________=0Ah-costume mailing list=0Ah-costume@ma= il.indra.com=0Ahttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=0A=0A=0A = =0A____________________________________________________________________= ________________=0APinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. = =0Ahttp://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 15:31:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MJVPeZ009656 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:31:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MJVLFu032155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:31:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MJT6b3056530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:29:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MJT3Pp053158; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:29:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MJSxNo053064 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:29:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so122990ika for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=btKM3+v47626WZQugykaNdJxSAwTYBLIL4jHQGFed1qq37w99kC6EjtE6AO1AAXQW0iG3gDtftH2+4zK0rxOJE60MGXQGObTffCkh48iIU3SqUu9jZOZPL/JkKubtuddV2TYX1xJ3iNs3AGo4dhSirErTQHhPZDqkf0xjH9g58U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k+HWSUoa/XZHQEj4L411SbnSgpuZd5M7rfPkCXM6hsBm+4CzQJZTm9flUDo12mu2wujO1WqUhgEFnOZ82hfo6GV9RM2F1sZt0IR3p1xS1Y+ekEG3zC6GCC5Cc2Qsgi1oQv4Ed47iZwe3glEnDyy8eKyuL5ppAKUoAKPkzKusJj8= Received: by 10.78.147.6 with SMTP id u6mr681517hud.1187810938142; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0708221228p75b4c2e3t4f489f20820c5301@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:58 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) In-Reply-To: <633800.7442.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <633800.7442.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb93b559-563b-496a-b968-175a9e2b9d2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CC8F09.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Must be! I was the person running to the bus like a crazy person, wishing I looked less like a woman who is old enough to remember the exhibit at the de Young and more like Indiana Jones running for the plane. Thank goodness Annie, in charge of the tour, and I are old friends and I knew she'd wait for me. Lynn On 8/22/07, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > I must have been on the bus with you! Kathy > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Downward > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:04:10 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) > > > I also went while it was in L.A., and I saw it as a 20-something (22?) > when the exhibit was in San Francisco at the de Young in the 70s. Yes, > this tour doesn't have the mask, but it has more, much more than I > remember at the first show. It has the ebony throne with insets you've > seen all your life while looking at the Tutankhamon books. The chest > with the Pharoah in the chariot hunting is there and even more lovely > than in the best photograph you've ever seen. It has a leather dog > collar, showing the fine work that was done on this everyday object. I > was lucky enough to be walking with a man who does leather work and a > woman who works with natural dyes. Their input on this little object > make it alive. The way the exhibit was set up was very nice; it gave > some good history and actually showed a decent map of the whole Valley > of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens with the more famous tombs > listed. It merged my picture of the Valley and what I had learned > together and made more sense. I spent the extra money and rented the > audio package offered; imagine my pleasure to hear both Omar Shariff > and Dr. Hawass, Head of the Department of Egyptian Antiquitites (or > something like that) on this package. This whole exhibit brought tears > to my eyes several times - especially the canoptic jar with the > lioness lounging on the top with her tongue out and the walking cane > with the handle carved as a Nubian slave. I rode to LACMA on a bus > with a tour from Costume College, and I actually had to skip the last > room and the shop in order to get to the bus at the appointed time, I > had spent so much time looking at the objects on display. > > The exhibit that toured in the 1970s was an exhibit of objects, lovely > objects but there was no attempt to put them into perspective of the > time when they were in use; they were in display cases under lights > under guard with small notes saying what they were, when given to the > collection, etc., the ususal stuff in a museum. This current exhibit > really explains them to those people who haven't been, as Chris said, > an "armchair Egyptophile" for 40 years as I have. I'm sure this is > also a process of change from what a museum was in 1970-something to > now. Also, as a tour it has been underwritten by companies who have > put big bucks into the display of these gorgeous objects. > > SO, the bottom line? Yeah, I think it would be worth it to see the > exhibit. If you've ever read any book about Tutankhamon and seen any > pictures, you can almost guarantee that you'll see it in the exhibit > -- and things you've never seen before. Except the mask. > > LynnD > > On 8/22/07, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > > I saw the exhibit in Los Angeles and enjoyed it very much. I hadn't seen previous exhibits, though I've seen the magazine pictures.... and the gold mask was there. In terms of history and costume (particularly jewelry) it was very nice. I would recommend the effort! Kathy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Chris Laning > > To: Historical Costume > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:42:06 PM > > Subject: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) > > > > > > On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > > The King Tut exhibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been > > > to it? I would like to know if it is worth the trip. I was going > > > to see the exhibit in Florida when it was there. A friend told my > > > sister that this tour was not that good. I would like some > > > feedback from someone who has seen it in PA, CA, or FL. > > > > Co-workers of mine who went to see it were disappointed, mostly (I > > gathered) because they hadn't realized beforehand that some of the > > most spectacular artifacts stayed home this time, such as the famous > > gold mask. > > > > Reading between the lines, though, it sounded pretty interesting to > > me as long as you go with an open mind and don't assume it's > > necessarily designed for maximum "splash" like previous Tut exhibits. > > (Old armchair Egyptophile speaking here.) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 16:12:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MKCl1H011276 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:12:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MKCmTY005255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:12:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MKCBW8063457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MKC7D8002237; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MKC4SH002160 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 597033F8B6 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:12:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Walmart cloth...good news/bad news... Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:12:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c988494e-8101-4f49-b7d3-a4608fe10699 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CC98C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:12:51 -0400 (EDT) There are (and I don't know why) 3 super Walmarts in our little ol' College town. The oldest is keeping thier's for a while the other ones are keeping the bare minimum. De -----Original Message----- The little one in Dade City, Florida is keeping theirs. Good thing too, it's 50 miles to the closest JoAnns! However, many others in the state closed their out. ****************************************** > >I was in our Norfolk, Va. Walmart last week, and also noticed that the > >$1.00 bolt table was restocked. I found my favorite sales lady and she > >said that indeed, they were keeping their fabric department and were > >replacing the racks that had been removed! YIPPPEEEEE!!!!! > >She said that everything was planned to go back to the way it used to > >be. > >-- ********************************************** Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 17:01:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ML1nrd012787 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:01:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ML1nBo006424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:01:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MKxSle070097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MKxP8i055235; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7MKxKSf055051 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:59:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 52889 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2007 20:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@70.228.93.235 with plain) by smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2007 20:59:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nrADCrMVM1kDccYwtgaRjC.VEThAjWgb7s4ncAWWe_lzarcU Message-ID: <46CCA364.8090207@pierocarey.info> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:58:12 -0400 From: Mary + Doug Piero Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200708211305.l7LD5aB9009200@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200708211305.l7LD5aB9009200@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 390fc738-c410-4cbf-84c6-181bfeda1a1f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CCA43D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Try looking at the department store ads in the microfilm of your local newspaper for '57. I'd start in April or May. If you're lucky, there will have been a bridal shop advertising, as well. Or your library might have hung on to Vogue, or Harper's Bazaar. I can't recall whether Seventeen was pubbing in '57. I'm home sick, or I'd check. There were lots of fashion ads in the New York Times, if your library has that. It is a rare library that did this, but ask if they have a catalog collection. No, not the library catalog, Sears, or Montgomery Ward, etc. Ah, I found a source. Yes, Seventeen existed in 1957. Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 17:21:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MLLEZe013317 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:21:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MLLF0L030458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MLKb0n073473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MLKWc8079622; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp122.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp122.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7MLKPtC079396 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:20:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 28563 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2007 21:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@70.228.93.235 with plain) by smtp122.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2007 21:20:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b6uixskVM1l3eDsUbjTtRrQQXwhBMpvuyfXV2hRLDadLMHulDnNFPKN9ed3RTipzcl1KnyZZYoDPqetSZj0EiPZWkCj6BhgG9VI9O9EsAPlNg4FUWwTEdg-- Message-ID: <46CCA855.6010408@pierocarey.info> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:19:17 -0400 From: Mary + Doug Piero Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200708221715.l7MHEtPw087975@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200708221715.l7MHEtPw087975@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1955 wedding gown price X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed1f2f82-c0cc-4137-aa4b-fdecb1fc2bd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CCA8CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:21:19 -0400 (EDT) I just got off the phone with Mom, who got married in Nov 1955. Her gown cost about $200. Floor length with short train, 3 tiers of lace, lace bodice & sleeves. One of the Chantilly floral patterns, but I don't think it was true Chantilly from France. Utterly gorgeous, and it took me _days_ to iron it to display at their 50th anniversary party. Anyhow, going by that, $200 got you a real wow of a wedding dress in the midwest in the mid 50s. Mary Piero Carey > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 22 17:46:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MLkHoR014136 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:46:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7MLkHlZ024923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:46:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7MLji7S077359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MLjFZs008040; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7MLj9nR007929 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id B19BA2E811A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:34:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 02E882E80DD for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:34:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10465 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:45:07 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:43:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Costuming patterns soon? Thread-Index: Acfk+L6tXrjkSp7zR0CngCJLQjQHSwACuytw References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costuming patterns soon? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7406b296-de9c-469b-a428-f97a42d0fb77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CCAEA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:46:21 -0400 (EDT) With the Fall-Winter release of Elizabeth I: The Golden Age and The Other Boleyn Girl--well, okay the costuming isn't accurate and the headdresses for the women in OBG are worse(way, way too small, like they are Tudor headbands or something)than the saucer French hoods in Anne of the Thousand Days--(and that was 1968!)are pattern companies like Simplicity, McCalls, or Butterick planning their own versions/uhm ripoffs? =20 I can appreciate the kind of out-there legend/fantasy of what I've seen of Elizabeth I's garb for The Golden Age, but The Other Boleyn Girl looks totally off--fabric and the aforementioned headbandy excuses for gable and French hoods. I know we have to see the actors' faces, but most actors now like to look more accurate in historic films and TV. Of course The Other Boleyn Girl has Mary younger than Anne, kind of playing Gennifer Flowers to Henry VIII's Bill Clinton and Anne as a more knowing and plotting Monica Lewinsky. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Walmart cloth...good news/bad news... There are (and I don't know why) 3 super Walmarts in our little ol' College town. The oldest is keeping thier's for a while the other ones are keeping the bare minimum. De -----Original Message----- The little one in Dade City, Florida is keeping theirs. Good thing too, it's 50 miles to the closest JoAnns! However, many others in the state closed their out. ****************************************** > >I was in our Norfolk, Va. Walmart last week, and also noticed that=20 > >the $1.00 bolt table was restocked. I found my favorite sales lady=20 > >and she said that indeed, they were keeping their fabric department=20 > >and were replacing the racks that had been removed! YIPPPEEEEE!!!!! > >She said that everything was planned to go back to the way it used to > >be. > >-- ********************************************** Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 09:36:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NDa3FV023582 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:36:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NDa4w7019349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:36:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NDYuVd092798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NDYojB018053; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7N59ZHM095162 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1IO4wn2lih-0007Mj; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c7e543$c2ecb210$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:09:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/UMv1DlTo75Mi/GZCDHotX1RkwsfELDbn/YpI G+9nxZAhgziLw9rrqBPFiiN+arBGLijmNoRLtH084nhcU/WqJU IN2oFBqJXipM7JhLoFs4w== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ironing Cold Cotton/Linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8aab8857-f8ca-45ec-aeba-c88e19308c48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CD8D44.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:36:07 -0400 (EDT) I spoke to my mom about the lists' recent discussion about cooling = linen/cotton before ironing. My mom was born in 1934 and came from the = timber area of south-central Alabama. The depression was really hard = for people in this area. Poverty is still high in this area and timber = is still the principal economy. Mom's family did not have an icebox = until after WW2. Her mother and grandmother washed cotton in the manner = described below. Her mother didn't own linen because it was expensive. = Her grandmother may have had linen because her family was middle class. 1. They washed their clothing on a washboard and dried it on a = clothesline. 2. Prior to ironing, a large pot was with boiling water was on the = stove. A box of Argo starch was emptied into the water. The starch = bath was after the clothes were line-dried. 3. Everything cotton was ironed except the sheets. The clothes to be = ironed were dipped into the starch potted and wrung out before they = cooled. =20 4. The items was laid flat and rolled into a sausage shape. =20 5. Depending on the weather, the items were placed into a tub in the = cold creek's water or in the bucket for the well. The well was like one = you would think of in the 19th Century...non-electric. =20 6. My grandmother's iron was made of iron and was put on top of the = wood-burning stove to get hot. 7. They ironed the items and if it had dried out what so ever, they = sprinkled the fabric with water.=20 8. Her mother was very picky about her iron. IF mom or her sisters got = a spot of starch on the iron or clothes, she made them do the whole wash = over again. =20 Starching heavily served two purposes: =20 1. Mom stated that previously to WnW fabric, cotton wrinkled very badly = and ironing it wet with the starch kept the wrinkles out. =20 2. Fabric that was heavily starched repelled dirt. Mom said that until Wash-n-Wear (WnW) fabric was affordable in the = 1960s, that she starched all our family's clothing with Argo starch = baths. My mom said she washed and ironed daily. We had 10 people = living at home in the early 1960s. I guess I could interview my older = sister about this. I am 15 years younger than her and there are three = brothers in-between us. In our home, the females took care of the = housework. The opposite of my present day family...my chore is the = laundry. My mom had 13 siblings, but she said, they didn't own as many = clothes as people have today. =20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 09:49:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NDnZk5023994 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:49:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NDnZSH029832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NDmt3o094984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:48:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NDmqeH032555; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NDmmko032387 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070823134842.DYTK6647.fep31.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:48:42 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.246]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070823134842.XADH9217.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:48:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c7e58c$5045c3c0$f6e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004501c7e543$c2ecb210$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing Cold Cotton/Linen Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:48:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.246] at Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:48:40 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4d0157f-60c7-4cf7-9b09-bda835c94076 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CD906F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:49:39 -0400 (EDT) I remember my mother told me, that when she was a child, she always had to wear fine clothes on sundays. And she hated this because the sunday clothes were starched and they scratched her skin. My mother was born in 1917. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: [h-cost] Ironing Cold Cotton/Linen I spoke to my mom about the lists' recent discussion about cooling linen/cotton before ironing. My mom was born in 1934 and came from the timber area of south-central Alabama. The depression was really hard for people in this area. Poverty is still high in this area and timber is still the principal economy. Mom's family did not have an icebox until after WW2. Her mother and grandmother washed cotton in the manner described below. Her mother didn't own linen because it was expensive. Her grandmother may have had linen because her family was middle class. 1. They washed their clothing on a washboard and dried it on a clothesline. 2. Prior to ironing, a large pot was with boiling water was on the stove. A box of Argo starch was emptied into the water. The starch bath was after the clothes were line-dried. 3. Everything cotton was ironed except the sheets. The clothes to be ironed were dipped into the starch potted and wrung out before they cooled. 4. The items was laid flat and rolled into a sausage shape. 5. Depending on the weather, the items were placed into a tub in the cold creek's water or in the bucket for the well. The well was like one you would think of in the 19th Century...non-electric. 6. My grandmother's iron was made of iron and was put on top of the wood-burning stove to get hot. 7. They ironed the items and if it had dried out what so ever, they sprinkled the fabric with water. 8. Her mother was very picky about her iron. IF mom or her sisters got a spot of starch on the iron or clothes, she made them do the whole wash over again. Starching heavily served two purposes: 1. Mom stated that previously to WnW fabric, cotton wrinkled very badly and ironing it wet with the starch kept the wrinkles out. 2. Fabric that was heavily starched repelled dirt. Mom said that until Wash-n-Wear (WnW) fabric was affordable in the 1960s, that she starched all our family's clothing with Argo starch baths. My mom said she washed and ironed daily. We had 10 people living at home in the early 1960s. I guess I could interview my older sister about this. I am 15 years younger than her and there are three brothers in-between us. In our home, the females took care of the housework. The opposite of my present day family...my chore is the laundry. My mom had 13 siblings, but she said, they didn't own as many clothes as people have today. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 10:18:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NEI7O7024796 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:18:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NEI7u7027637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:18:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NEHFYb099935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NEHDsH062319; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NEH3O1062152 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED464D6F6 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 Received: by resin11.mta.everyone.net (EON-PICKUP) id resin11.46cd190c.2f13; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:08:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20070823070805.9129F9CA@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:08:05 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing Cold Cotton/Linen X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRGzZTK2UXOBAEAAAAB,4403b3319870ccbf4b517e9d51174e4f X-Originating-Ip: [172.164.207.196] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4f88f9c-b087-4ed7-8039-063d1539b956 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CD971F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:18:11 -0400 (EDT) I was born in 1934 as was your mother, Penny. We lived on a farm in central Florida - no running water in the house (except for the hand pump in the kitchen) and no electricity. My mother used to do the wash in a big iron pot, but she would go out by the well and build a fire early in the morning. Then put the iron pot on the coals and fill it with water from the well. She would wash in that one and rinse in another pot of cold water. Pretty much the only difference was she would starch the clothes before she hung them out to dry. Then she would sprinkle them, roll them up and put them in a basket to iron. She didn't try to get them cold though - just let them sit overnight. Next day, she would iron in the kitchen where she kept three irons on the wood stove. When one got cool, she would switch to another one. There were two reasonably light ones and one monster. I don't remember what she used the monster for, but I suspect it was for daddy's heavy pants. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- penny@costumegallery.com wrote: From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ironing Cold Cotton/Linen Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:09:17 -0400 I spoke to my mom about the lists' recent discussion about cooling linen/cotton before ironing. My mom was born in 1934 and came from the timber area of south-central Alabama. The depression was really hard for people in this area. Poverty is still high in this area and timber is still the principal economy. Mom's family did not have an icebox until after WW2. Her mother and grandmother washed cotton in the manner described below. Her mother didn't own linen because it was expensive. Her grandmother may have had linen because her family was middle class. 1. They washed their clothing on a washboard and dried it on a clothesline. 2. Prior to ironing, a large pot was with boiling water was on the stove. A box of Argo starch was emptied into the water. The starch bath was after the clothes were line-dried. 3. Everything cotton was ironed except the sheets. The clothes to be ironed were dipped into the starch potted and wrung out before they cooled. 4. The items was laid flat and rolled into a sausage shape. 5. Depending on the weather, the items were placed into a tub in the cold creek's water or in the bucket for the well. The well was like one you would think of in the 19th Century...non-electric. 6. My grandmother's iron was made of iron and was put on top of the wood-burning stove to get hot. 7. They ironed the items and if it had dried out what so ever, they sprinkled the fabric with water. 8. Her mother was very picky about her iron. IF mom or her sisters got a spot of starch on the iron or clothes, she made them do the whole wash over again. Starching heavily served two purposes: 1. Mom stated that previously to WnW fabric, cotton wrinkled very badly and ironing it wet with the starch kept the wrinkles out. 2. Fabric that was heavily starched repelled dirt. Mom said that until Wash-n-Wear (WnW) fabric was affordable in the 1960s, that she starched all our family's clothing with Argo starch baths. My mom said she washed and ironed daily. We had 10 people living at home in the early 1960s. I guess I could interview my older sister about this. I am 15 years younger than her and there are three brothers in-between us. In our home, the females took care of the housework. The opposite of my present day family...my chore is the laundry. My mom had 13 siblings, but she said, they didn't own as many clothes as people have today. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 11:22:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NFM6PW026625 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:22:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NFM6Cp027041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:22:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NFL0HV013341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NFKstq037237; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NFKmQw037031 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IOEO0-0004gy-ST for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:14:16 -0400 Received: from 207.69.137.22 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:20:40 -0400 Message-ID: <22484055.1187882441167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:20:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVC To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69d62342ef0c332460359c6d76c2cefd1230febb85a5f48815350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Looking for sources, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2600191-c380-43bd-ad58-98103cb1260d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CDA61E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Hi, all.. No answers to my request for ideas, impressions, images on modern cowtown floozies on Saturday nite - I know its not an historic thing and I also know some of you do stage productions; my impression is that most do academic stage work, which I did for 27 years. For the last 7 years it has been community theatre in Texas. I really would appreciate help. This character just won't come for Saturday night. You may contact me offline if you like at the above eaddress. Second request: does anyone use the "Costume Bible" ? Those of you who know this software, what are your impressions? Please? Thank you, Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 15:20:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NJK79q000952 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:20:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NJK7SM017740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NJJFvX082039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NJIrfe058117; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:18:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NJIXRu057421 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20022FC6C0 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:18:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46CDDD7B.9050603@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:18:19 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for sources, etc. References: <22484055.1187882441167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <22484055.1187882441167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9f204f5-c405-4635-a1b4-aebdd008b43c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CDDDE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:20:11 -0400 (EDT) AVC wrote: > Hi, all.. > > No answers to my request for ideas, impressions, images on modern cowtown floozies on Saturday nite It's hard for me to answer without knowing more about the character. Is she a young bubblehead? An older, tired woman down on her luck? When you say 'floozy' do you mean prostitute? Or is she just promiscuous? Is she supposed to be desireable to the other characters, or not? What is she doing in the scene? Dancing? Sitting? Picking up guys? And seeing as how you're in rural Texas, how close to home are you going to hit with this gal, and are you likely to insult anyone? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 15:41:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NJfrru001519 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:41:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NJfr89002878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NJf7Qs091374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:41:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NJeQsR090387; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7NJdiKn089249 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69106 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2007 19:39:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MyxUsN1SISdiFgcCmr25rateQeJ6j3mlTAKYLllI7cGlzfFtYOZq2jiLyiIjwVq6ZusyO6f1Y37SVTC+6tjrUoRqcBPaOxBsx3klPYd8wpZcQkpjdBghrdJozLwpyHQkE3JwPyZzgibmQJ9WVCvkSHIvUm3moyKimpZDccj8GmA=; Received: from [208.54.15.91] by web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:39:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.48 YahooMailWebService/0.7.119 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <894548.68844.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bd09d89-1799-48c4-9569-76a92fdd9dcf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CDE301.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Annie's a wonder! I've missed Costume College the last 2 years... hope to = get back to it next year... Kathy=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro= m: Lynn Downward =0ATo: Historical Costume =0ASent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28:58 PM=0ASubject: Re:= [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content)=0A=0A=0AMu= st be! I was the person running to the bus like a crazy person,=0Awishing I= looked less like a woman who is old enough to remember the=0Aexhibit at th= e de Young and more like Indiana Jones running for the=0Aplane. Thank goodn= ess Annie, in charge of the tour, and I are old=0Afriends and I knew she'd = wait for me.=0A=0ALynn=0A=0AOn 8/22/07, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:=0A> I must have been on the bus with you! Kathy=0A>= =0A>=0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Lynn Downward =0A> To: Historical Costume =0A> Sent: Wedne= sday, August 22, 2007 10:04:10 AM=0A> Subject: Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibi= t (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content)=0A>=0A>=0A> I also went while it wa= s in L.A., and I saw it as a 20-something (22?)=0A> when the exhibit was in= San Francisco at the de Young in the 70s. Yes,=0A> this tour doesn't have = the mask, but it has more, much more than I=0A> remember at the first show.= It has the ebony throne with insets you've=0A> seen all your life while lo= oking at the Tutankhamon books. The chest=0A> with the Pharoah in the chari= ot hunting is there and even more lovely=0A> than in the best photograph yo= u've ever seen. It has a leather dog=0A> collar, showing the fine work that= was done on this everyday object. I=0A> was lucky enough to be walking wit= h a man who does leather work and a=0A> woman who works with natural dyes. = Their input on this little object=0A> make it alive. The way the exhibit wa= s set up was very nice; it gave=0A> some good history and actually showed a= decent map of the whole Valley=0A> of the Kings and the Valley of the Quee= ns with the more famous tombs=0A> listed. It merged my picture of the Valle= y and what I had learned=0A> together and made more sense. I spent the extr= a money and rented the=0A> audio package offered; imagine my pleasure to he= ar both Omar Shariff=0A> and Dr. Hawass, Head of the Department of Egyptian= Antiquitites (or=0A> something like that) on this package. This whole exhi= bit brought tears=0A> to my eyes several times - especially the canoptic ja= r with the=0A> lioness lounging on the top with her tongue out and the walk= ing cane=0A> with the handle carved as a Nubian slave. I rode to LACMA on a= bus=0A> with a tour from Costume College, and I actually had to skip the l= ast=0A> room and the shop in order to get to the bus at the appointed time,= I=0A> had spent so much time looking at the objects on display.=0A>=0A> Th= e exhibit that toured in the 1970s was an exhibit of objects, lovely=0A> ob= jects but there was no attempt to put them into perspective of the=0A> time= when they were in use; they were in display cases under lights=0A> under g= uard with small notes saying what they were, when given to the=0A> collecti= on, etc., the ususal stuff in a museum. This current exhibit=0A> really exp= lains them to those people who haven't been, as Chris said,=0A> an "armchai= r Egyptophile" for 40 years as I have. I'm sure this is=0A> also a process = of change from what a museum was in 1970-something to=0A> now. Also, as a t= our it has been underwritten by companies who have=0A> put big bucks into t= he display of these gorgeous objects.=0A>=0A> SO, the bottom line? Yeah, I = think it would be worth it to see the=0A> exhibit. If you've ever read any = book about Tutankhamon and seen any=0A> pictures, you can almost guarantee = that you'll see it in the exhibit=0A> -- and things you've never seen befor= e. Except the mask.=0A>=0A> LynnD=0A>=0A> On 8/22/07, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:=0A> > I saw the exhibit in Los Angeles = and enjoyed it very much. I hadn't seen previous exhibits, though I've see= n the magazine pictures.... and the gold mask was there. In terms of histo= ry and costume (particularly jewelry) it was very nice. I would recommend = the effort! Kathy=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ----- Original Message ----=0A> > From= : Chris Laning =0A> > To: Historical Costume =0A> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:42:06 PM=0A> > Subject: [h= -cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content)=0A> >=0A> >= =0A> > On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote:=0A> >=0A> > > The = King Tut exhibit in Philadelphia in mid Sept. Has anyone been=0A> > > to i= t? I would like to know if it is worth the trip. I was going=0A> > > to s= ee the exhibit in Florida when it was there. A friend told my=0A> > > sist= er that this tour was not that good. I would like some=0A> > > feedback fr= om someone who has seen it in PA, CA, or FL.=0A> >=0A> > Co-workers of mine= who went to see it were disappointed, mostly (I=0A> > gathered) because t= hey hadn't realized beforehand that some of the=0A> > most spectacular arti= facts stayed home this time, such as the famous=0A> > gold mask.=0A> >=0A> = > Reading between the lines, though, it sounded pretty interesting to=0A> >= me as long as you go with an open mind and don't assume it's=0A> > necessa= rily designed for maximum "splash" like previous Tut exhibits.=0A> > (Old a= rmchair Egyptophile speaking here.)=0A> >=0A> > ___________________________= _________________________________=0A> >=0A> > O Chris Laning - Davis, California=0A> > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://= paternosters.blogspot.com=0A> > ___________________________________________= _________________=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > _________________________________= ______________=0A> > h-costume mailing list=0A> > h-costume@mail.indra.com= =0A> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > = ______________________________________________________________________= ______________=0A> > Luggage? 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Auto Green Center.=0Ahttp://autos.yahoo.com/gr= een_center/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 15:45:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NJjZs9001661 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:45:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NJjZ1U008338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NJef7d091241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NJbGEF085714; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NJb8qM085323 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:36:26 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l7NJaQt81427 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:36:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 23 Aug 2007 14:36:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:36:25 -0500 References: <200708231348.l7NDmr3U032571@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <46CD9B62.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200708231348.l7NDmr3U032571@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1957 Thanks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80b5c587-a67e-4402-9335-befc58d50e5d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CDE3DF.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Thanks to everyone for their ideas and input, especially Juliana and Mary who called their own mothers! I had already been checking at the library, as most of you had suggested, but there are gaps in the files. I was also hoping to find information on costs of boutonnieres, invitations, etc.. At this point the SiL's get to go dig in their own branch library :). Costume content: part of the dress has now been remade into a ring pillow, with suitable embroidery, to be used for the blessing of their new anniversary rings. Part of the satin of the underdress is now a ribbon-style rose boutonniere for my father-in-law to wear. Thanks again! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 16:15:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NKFUfA002514 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:15:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NKFUtP014391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:15:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NKEWsL098952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:14:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NKEULH034348; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:14:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NKEQW3034164 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.166] (sjs-130-65-37-166.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.166]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NKDLrP021298 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <894548.68844.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <894548.68844.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Costume College 2008 registration (was Re: [h-cost] King Tut exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:14:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e467ae4-8c0b-42a8-b423-52cfc00e2b1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CDEAE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:15:34 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 23, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > Annie's a wonder! I've missed Costume College the last 2 years... > hope to get back to it next year... Kathy I'm sorry to inform you of this, but Costume College 2008 registration sold out around lunch on Sunday of this year's College. I believe there is a waiting list, but I also believe it's pretty long already. If you're not already registered, your chances of getting in are pretty slim. The CGW board is considering how to solve this issue while maintaining the quality of their classroom instruction, but that's not going to change things for College 2008 registration. If you need your costume event fix for next year, please check out Costume-Con 26 in San Jose (April 25-28, 2008) . Many of the Angelenos are planning to come up for our event. We've got folks with extensive historical costume background on our committee, including Shelly Monson, Aurie Bradley, Elanor Farrell and Jennifer Tifft. Our Friday night Social is the "Victorian Underwear Party." Our vice-chair is in the used luxury car business and is an antique car show judge; she's working her connections to get some interesting vintage cars for early-20th century photo shoots. There should be plenty of activities for historical costume enthusiasts. You can check out the history of Costume-Con in the Costume- ConNections Photo archive; you can find 24 years of historical competition entries there . andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 16:25:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NKPFOl002796 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:25:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NKPGpi001725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:25:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NKOt3h001509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NKOpw0048375; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NKOhH7048189 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so467714nfd for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:24:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nK+eKI4uX8P6/8Mgz3MAArssKnb7HSRH0OFefn//Jx730ZL/qmXS5zcCB2841gcRpZIL/4IKaT3RGlTgwA7vqacyDeFxkFx0CZHk0hGB9al5ZtkKfK6qSbfeYniFe+ln3/JL2LkZE5i2Qz6aoXFcZnOMVZtdAABUsffRVOdkcYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lZGebtjfgSwqaGvPxa4IcaQVjIKrgQmJK3K8Ix9LvBjFZbzLT1G0L/D+qxkTe38ujsTfCRoMwU+bA+9bnuG4A+ZDFeZA6prwZrmdOXAnM4eVjmSxMdL+gUOeIkwSMKKo4HYly0gNezwkD1bN+alvabN4/1v1VJkF2k8YO/gdyrA= Received: by 10.78.171.13 with SMTP id t13mr1468678hue.1187900680772; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.133.17 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0708231324n2d02ed3eje065a60ba4014e1b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:24:40 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1957 Thanks In-Reply-To: <46CD9B62.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708231348.l7NDmr3U032571@net.indra.com> <46CD9B62.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e07dc6f6-2d8b-45d7-ba93-38d8ae086d8c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CDED2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Catherine, this all sounds delightful! I hope you continue to give us updates. LynnD On 8/23/07, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Thanks to everyone for their ideas and input, especially Juliana and > Mary who called their own mothers! > > I had already been checking at the library, as most of you had > suggested, but there are gaps in the files. I was also hoping to find > information on costs of boutonnieres, invitations, etc.. At this point > the SiL's get to go dig in their own branch library :). > > Costume content: part of the dress has now been remade into a ring > pillow, with suitable embroidery, to be used for the blessing of their > new anniversary rings. Part of the satin of the underdress is now a > ribbon-style rose boutonniere for my father-in-law to wear. > > Thanks again! > Catherine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 17:56:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NLu3o3004814 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:56:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NLu2CN002951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:56:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NLtLHC019084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NLtH74060397; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NLtA0e060246 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:55:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A21911B3029E; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:54:33 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000401c7e3cc$3a20f360$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <006b01c7e3d5$46e76ee0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Subject: RE: [h-cost] re:iced drinks Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:55:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c7e5d0$54e91c30$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfj1Xvsox8ACw7lQn2qDU1uCotnMwB+qQ0A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <006b01c7e3d5$46e76ee0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0336198-8694-40c0-b382-72ec51102f92 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CE0272.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:56:07 -0400 (EDT) But it is somewhat related. When we do a Victorian picnic, with appropriate costumes, of course, we will now be able to have period correct beverages, too!(OK, it is a stretch) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Linda Rice Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:26 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] re:iced drinks True sweet tea is made by adding the sugar when the tea is still warm, so that it dissolves completely. I've seen some folks add cups, yes plural, to a pitcher of tea. I call tea that sweet "Tea syrup", mainly because I find it way too sweet. Some folks do like it though, and if you go to a restaurant in especially rural places in the South, just expect that's what you're going to get, and probably won't be able to get unsweet tea at all. Cities are changing, but countryfolk are slower to do so. My dad, for example, hated having to add sugar to a glass of iced tea because he said it never really dissolved. Yes, he was very "country"! I have absolutely zero costume content to add here, sorry! ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:21 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] re:iced drinks Is this sweet iced tea specially made or just iced tea with sugar? In Calif our iced tea comes without sugar, so you just put in however much you want (if any). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of picmajik@bellsouth.net Try finding sweet tea in Florida! Once you get south of the panhandle you are no longer in the South as far as food and drink are concerned. I did run into one nice waiter in Orlando who was from Georgia and he agreed to make me a pitcher of sweet tea. He got a nice tip! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 18:07:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NM72VU005103 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:07:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NM72jY007250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:07:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NM6gsU021210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NM6fLj073410; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NM6aIA073323 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4C645290040; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:05:58 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200708210117.l7L1HvE2099934@net.indra.com> <46CA9B34.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:06:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c7e5d1$ed06a630$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfj9AbcwzWzW1LkT+2VT9qDKUQrFQB3TVzQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46CA9B34.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fce7f1b-4386-4904-9c4d-30c576a971d1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CE0507.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:07:06 -0400 (EDT) I just got a birthday card with the prices of stuff in 1954, so check the local card stores. Our library has a city archive, they might have stuff. Also old magazines and newspapers. Might not have wedding dress prices, but will surely have regular dress prices. Oh, and try Sears catalogues. Or call their headquarters, they'd probably have old catalogues or prices. A last thought would be any seamstresses in your area who were in business back then. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 5:59 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in 1957? I'm not looking for a current value but what something would have cost in 1957. Specifically a cocktail length wedding dress?? My in-laws are having their 50th annv. in 2 weeks and the kids want to prepare a card where the punchline is "50 years together, priceless". They are trying to find the cost of typical wedding items from this year for the rest of the bit. For some reason they thought I would know about the dress :). Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 18:12:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NMCkL4005247 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:12:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NMCljg013662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:12:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NMBhVp021847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NMBfJh078913; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NMBcAP078849 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A5F445900040; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:11:00 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: coffee Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:12:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c7e5d2$a128ffa0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfj9BSSRB+j51Q3TZiKthc6k2mQhQB3lWhQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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(think fried zuchinni buds) Settlers crossing the prairies used them a lot. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:05 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee In a message dated 8/21/2007 4:42:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: Then you should try Cannas ************ And daylilies. Talk about maintenance free! And they come is some amazing varieties, not just the tawny ditch lily. Check out this vendor! _http://www.oakesdaylilies.com/supplier/home.php?id=s000_ (http://www.oakesdaylilies.com/supplier/home.php?id=s000) Of course the actual blooms only last a day so you can't really cut them and bring them inside. But they bloom day after day, especially if you water them when they 1st start coming up in the spring. They spread too. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 23 19:19:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NNJl0j006750 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:19:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7NNJlRZ028267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:19:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7NNIjoO032591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NNIfAl051732; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7NNIav4051578 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:19:39 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: coffee Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:19:25 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0236FC76@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <000301c7e5d2$a128ffa0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: coffee Thread-Index: Acfj9BSSRB+j51Q3TZiKthc6k2mQhQB3lWhQAAJkolA= References: <000301c7e5d2$a128ffa0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2007 23:19:39.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[13C10090:01C7E5DC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c61c8f8-90b6-4cd5-be91-02f29f8e495c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CE1613.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:19:51 -0400 (EDT) The flowers are also lovely & tasty in salads. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 6:12 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: coffee Great daylily catalogue on line! And all parts are edible. You can eat the tubers, the young leaves and the buds. (think fried zuchinni buds) Settlers crossing the prairies used them a lot.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:05 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee =20 In a message dated 8/21/2007 4:42:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: Then you should try Cannas ************ =20 And daylilies. Talk about maintenance free! And they come is some amazing varieties, not just the tawny ditch lily. Check out this vendor! =20 _http://www.oakesdaylilies.com/supplier/home.php?id=3Ds000_ (http://www.oakesdaylilies.com/supplier/home.php?id=3Ds000)=20 =20 =20 Of course the actual blooms only last a day so you can't really cut them and bring them inside. But they bloom day after day, especially if you water them when they 1st start coming up in the spring. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Thank you... Lynn just broke the news... I will try to get my daughter and = I on the waiting list just in case... she thinks CostumeCon sounds interest= ing, we may have to check that out! Kathy aka Gytha=0A=0A=0A----- Original= Message ----=0AFrom: Andrew T Trembley =0ATo: Historic= al Costume =0ASent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:14:13 = PM=0ASubject: Costume College 2008 registration (was Re: [h-cost] King Tut = exhibit (WAS: More Comments: Costume Content)=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 23, 2007, at 1= 2:39 PM, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:=0A> Annie's a wonder! I've missed Costu= me College the last 2 years... =0A> hope to get back to it next year... Ka= thy=0A=0AI'm sorry to inform you of this, but Costume College 2008 =0Aregi= stration sold out around lunch on Sunday of this year's College. =0AI beli= eve there is a waiting list, but I also believe it's pretty =0Along alread= y. If you're not already registered, your chances of =0Agetting in are pre= tty slim.=0A=0AThe CGW board is considering how to solve this issue while = =0Amaintaining the quality of their classroom instruction, but that's =0An= ot going to change things for College 2008 registration.=0A=0AIf you need y= our costume event fix for next year, please check out =0ACostume-Con 26 in= San Jose (April 25-28, 2008) . Many of the Ange= lenos are planning to come up for our event. =0AWe've got folks with exten= sive historical costume background on our =0Acommittee, including Shelly M= onson, Aurie Bradley, Elanor Farrell and =0AJennifer Tifft. Our Friday nig= ht Social is the "Victorian Underwear =0AParty." Our vice-chair is in the = used luxury car business and is an =0Aantique car show judge; she's workin= g her connections to get some =0Ainteresting vintage cars for early-20th c= entury photo shoots. There =0Ashould be plenty of activities for historica= l costume enthusiasts.=0A=0AYou can check out the history of Costume-Con in= the Costume- =0AConNections Photo archive; you can find 24 years of histor= ical =0Acompetition entries there .= =0A=0Aandy=0A_______________________________________________=0Ah-costume ma= iling list=0Ah-costume@mail.indra.com=0Ahttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listi= nfo/h-costume=0A=0A=0A _______________________________________________= _____________________________________=0APark yourself in front of a world o= f choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.=0Aht= tp://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 08:33:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OCXnpd013465 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:33:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OCXib0016154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:33:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OCTVpE021033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:29:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OCTRCQ036642; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OCTNFF036519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7OCV4Zk001412 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:31:04 -0400 Received: from Cynthia-Virtues-Computer.local (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46CECF21.2000406@thibault.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:29:21 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing Cold Cotton/Linen References: <20070823070805.9129F9CA@resin11.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20070823070805.9129F9CA@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5905941e-2386-4ca1-b7f0-148a598868c6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CED028.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:33:54 -0400 (EDT) After all these interesting tales of historical laundering, I asked my mother what she remembers. She was born in 1937; he father was an executive at the paper mill in Old Town, Maine. She wrote: "My mother had a hired girl/woman who did all the personal stuff by hand and then ironed the next day. Sheets, towels, my father's white shirts, and dry cleaning were sent out to the local laundry/cleaners who picked up and delivered. The laundry did the starching on the shirts, plus the girl (or sometimes a woman) did hand starching as needed. My mother taught us how to iron properly, although we didn't have to do it often. One had to be very careful of iron temperature if clothes had starch - it's easy to 'caramelize' the starch and then you have to start all over! Not to mention getting distracted and letting the iron sit too long in one spot. Linen, to be ironed correctly was supposed to be uniformly damp (but not wet!) . One did the seams first to start them drying out and then likely touched them up again once the smooth, single-layer fabric had been done." cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 14:29:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OITakh024128 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:29:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OITbGw020899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:29:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OIS413025854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OIRIfQ031853; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OIQNIf030501 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070824182604.CEPC4104.fep35.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:26:04 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.141]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070824182452.XYOD21385.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:24:52 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:26:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.141] at Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:24:46 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe867720-021e-47f4-9d39-4b7f5b530902 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CF2391.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of the silver spangeled suit. This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. 10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak Street, London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and tedious work. I am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the result. Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last embroidery on the second pocket flap................ http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 15:02:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJ2m0n025048 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:02:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OJ2nXm006535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OJ1YF3036091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:01:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJ1SWQ078162; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:01:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJ1AQw077677 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JNA00822KTOHXH0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:00:52 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] last embroidery In-reply-to: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2c1292b-9ba0-472e-986e-ad0f0317ec2a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CF2B59.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Wow! It is beautiful Bjarne! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:26 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of the silver spangeled suit. This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. 10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak Street, London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and tedious work. I am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the result. Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last embroidery on the second pocket flap................ http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 15:14:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJEl91025445 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:14:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OJEmMt024152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:14:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OJE63K039762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJE1ne095854; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7OIxsB3076050 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:59:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200708241859.l7OIxsB3076050@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 1237 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2007 11:59:53 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 777, pid: 1131, t: 10.9394s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 11:59:43 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:56:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] last embroidery In-Reply-To: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> References: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57ace1ee-0f74-4f5e-b3e1-e28d63492d0c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CF2E28.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:14:52 -0400 (EDT) At 11:26 AM 8/24/2007, you wrote: >Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of >the silver spangeled suit. >This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. >10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak >Street, London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and >tedious work. I am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the result. >Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last >embroidery on the second pocket flap................ >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > >Bjarne It will be a stunningly beautiful ensemble! I wish I could see it sparkle by candlelight. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 15:30:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJU9jn025943 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:30:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OJUAh4007373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:30:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OJSj4S042699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJSeam014414; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJSbJm014356 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A140305E02A0; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:28:00 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <22484055.1187882441167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for sources, etc. Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:29:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7e685$08469230$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcflmVaoSbTkht2UTAG676frrOIN0wA6xiBw In-Reply-To: <22484055.1187882441167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d38ed706-ec1f-47b2-8311-3b6c4e2b2aac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CF31C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:30:14 -0400 (EDT) There was a movie, "Hope Floats", (1998) starring Sandra Bullock, about a woman who returns to small Texas town after something (I don't remember). There is a scene in it when she goes out on Saturday night to local watering hole to drink and dance. It might help. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AVC Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:21 AM To: h-costume posts Subject: [h-cost] Looking for sources, etc. Hi, all.. No answers to my request for ideas, impressions, images on modern cowtown floozies on Saturday nite - I know its not an historic thing and I also know some of you do stage productions; my impression is that most do academic stage work, which I did for 27 years. For the last 7 years it has been community theatre in Texas. I really would appreciate help. This character just won't come for Saturday night. You may contact me offline if you like at the above eaddress. Second request: does anyone use the "Costume Bible" ? Those of you who know this software, what are your impressions? Please? Thank you, Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 15:41:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJfxvT026334 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:41:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OJg0pY001589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:42:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OJfLag048187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJfJik033049; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OJfFm1032963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:41:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.23] (209-148-118-23.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l7OJfDuB017270 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: <46CF345A.7060709@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:41:14 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for sources, etc. References: <22484055.1187882441167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000001c7e685$08469230$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <000001c7e685$08469230$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa733449-6f9c-4777-bff0-7b67fe523769 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CF3488.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:42:03 -0400 (EDT) My bet is they all have websites for their businesses, with pictures! Fran S > > No answers to my request for ideas, impressions, images on modern cowtown > floozies on Saturday nite - I know its not an historic thing and I also know > some of you do stage productions; my impression is that most do academic > stage work, which I did for 27 years. For the last 7 years it has been > community theatre in Texas. I really would appreciate help. This character > just won't come for Saturday night. > You may contact me offline if you like at the above eaddress. > Second request: does anyone use the "Costume Bible" ? Those of you who know > this software, what are your impressions? Please? > Thank you, > Audy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 16:03:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OK3mSn026960 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:03:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OK3nKL003682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:03:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OK2ZOv051579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OK2Wut058225; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:02:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OK2Oxq058058 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A92971E50040; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:01:45 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000401c7e3cc$3a20f360$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom><006b01c7e3d5$46e76ee0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> <63043.72.13.239.193.1187706950.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] regional things, was re: iced drinks Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:02:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c7e689$bf06a420$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfj/znYshJgKkWdQHayQLXAXR3/mgCikjbA In-Reply-To: <63043.72.13.239.193.1187706950.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f93058e8-9870-42db-9ccf-0f2bd619863d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CF39A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:03:53 -0400 (EDT) But we didn't have IKEA in those days. I was very pleasantly surprised by some of their prices/quality. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of aquazoo@patriot.net Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] regional things, was re: iced drinks > True sweet tea is made by adding the sugar when the tea is still warm, > so that it dissolves completely. I've made it that way - it makes sense. To me, the funniest thing is that people in different areas will claim theirs is "the best" iced tea. My mom is a good one for that - rather than saying she likes the tea in her area, she tells me they claim it's the best. So I said I heard that people in North Carolina claim *theirs* is the best. >;-> These days there are so many teas, blends and tisanes that are good cold. I suppose you can't make "sun tea" as proper sweet tea. And some blends are lovely without sugar, the same way as I like some hot teas with or without milk and sugar depending on the type of tea. As homogenized as things get these days, we still have regional differences, besides the obvious climate and sports team themes. Hmmmn, does that steer it back to costume? :-) Actually one thing that is interesting is the amount of consumer pressure these days compared to 25 or 30 years ago. My niece is starting college this year and had to coordinate with her new roommate on the colors and styles of sheets, towels, curtains, etc. For myself and my brothers, we were allowed to root through the linen closet for things to take to school. :-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 16:10:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKAJ8B027202 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:10:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OKAKmV018553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:10:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OK9jgK052955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OK9fwZ067747; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OK5iGI062234 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9F6354D029E; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:05:10 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200708211639.l7LGcbkk070130@net.indra.com> <004401c7e41b$24e97cc0$68496b8c@fhcrc.org> Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT- brewing iced tea Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:06:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c7e68a$39025d00$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfkG1CM38UzwMxNRgmvrD/aUURs8wCbs0kw In-Reply-To: <004401c7e41b$24e97cc0$68496b8c@fhcrc.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c08dfed-55c2-4714-9b13-f04dfe586ef3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46CF3B2C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:10:23 -0400 (EDT) "Yorkshire Gold" makes a nice light brown, plus it tastes really good! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Agnes Gawne Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:46 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT- brewing iced tea Funny enough I just got an email from Cooks Illustrated about their tea tasting -- here's the link if you would like to read it. http://www.cooksillustrated.com/printtasting.asp?tastingid=592&bdc=7104 or http://www.cooksillustrated.com/tasting.asp?tastingid=592&bdc=7104&extcode=N 07MH1AA1 They are the people that have a TV show on PBS and a cooking magazine without advertisements. Now- back to topic. the best tea dying I have found is from Nambarrie's Tea from Belfast - it dyes cups, teeth and fabrics. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 16:20:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKKece027939 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:20:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OKKeRb001682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:20:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OKHZZw054275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKHPLG077600; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKHERf077334 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1407464532 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:17:13 -0500 Message-ID: <030901c7e68b$c433cc00$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <22484055.1187882441167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000001c7e685$08469230$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for sources, etc. Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:17:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e0b52c6-1beb-4675-8949-5ae41fbb369e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CF3D99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It might help. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 16:54:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKsYjD030640 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:54:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OKsYuE031313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OKrAKX064526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:53:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKr3vG022281; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:53:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKq8LP021071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:52:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.23] (209-148-118-23.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l7OKq6bl028978 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:07 -0700 Message-ID: <46CF44F7.80400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:52:07 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] regional things, was re: iced drinks References: <000401c7e3cc$3a20f360$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom><006b01c7e3d5$46e76ee0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> <63043.72.13.239.193.1187706950.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <000b01c7e689$bf06a420$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <000b01c7e689$bf06a420$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d394def2-f948-4f64-9850-904f474dc187 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CF458A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:54:38 -0400 (EDT) > Actually one thing that is interesting is the amount of consumer > pressure these days compared to 25 or 30 years ago. My niece is starting > college this year and had to coordinate with her new roommate on the colors > and styles of sheets, towels, curtains, etc. > For myself and my brothers, we were allowed to root through the linen closet > for things to take to school. :-) > > -Carol I can't believe parents have forgone the Great Upgrade opportunity. For my parents' generation, the kids moving out was the time to discard all the functional, but used-and-battered, or received-as-a-gift-and-disliked, household linens, rugs, furniture, cookware, and small appliances; so they could guiltlessly buy themselves the things THEY really wanted! Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 16:59:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKxrCa031023 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OKxos0019688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OKx0js065804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:59:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKwstk030470; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:58:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OKwlHO030344 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 68054400EE for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:58:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for sources, etc. Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c7e685$08469230$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40488add-a71d-4631-a20f-89703d73d4d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CF46C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Uh..no. Hope Floats is one of my favorite movies. The main character's husband has an affair with Birdie's (main character) best friend and Birdie is brought on a Springer type show and told by her "best" friend about the affair. So Birdie and her daughter go back to her home town to live with her mother. The bar scene that Birdie is in has regular people at the bar. The person she outs to the bar crowd as having work done on her breasts is the town's snob/gossip. Not sure what to suggest for the floozy. Best Little Whorehouse in Texas? De -----Original Message----- There was a movie, "Hope Floats", (1998) starring Sandra Bullock, about a woman who returns to small Texas town after something (I don't remember). There is a scene in it when she goes out on Saturday night to local watering hole to drink and dance. It might help. -----Original Message----- No answers to my request for ideas, impressions, images on modern cowtown floozies on Saturday nite - I know its not an historic thing and I also know some of you do stage productions; my impression is that most do academic stage work, which I did for 27 years. For the last 7 years it has been community theatre in Texas. I really would appreciate help. This character just won't come for Saturday night. You may contact me offline if you like at the above eaddress. Second request: does anyone use the "Costume Bible" ? Those of you who know this software, what are your impressions? Please? Thank you, Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 17:17:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OLHtrl032548 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:17:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OLHtRo022716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:17:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OLHAoQ068437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OLH7LH051469; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OLH2rN051385 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sclark935@austin.rr.com) Received: from Main (cpe-72-179-63-252.austin.res.rr.com [72.179.63.252]) by ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l7OLGOjk004286 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:16:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <010201c7e694$05c73c80$fc3fb348@Main> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] last embroidery Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:16:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b835472d-38f8-469b-95a7-560457b1effc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CF4B03.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:17:59 -0400 (EDT) As always, these are stunningly magnificent! I wish I could afford to have you make a suit for my husband, he starts drooling every time I show him your pictures. :) Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery > > Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of the > silver spangeled suit. > This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. > 10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak > Street, London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and > tedious work. I am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the result. > Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last > embroidery on the second pocket flap................ > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 17:36:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OLavtY001541 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:36:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OLavcn020447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:37:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OLaSTn071662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OLaPLE072975; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OLaM53072795 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:36:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A4EFC9F3 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46CF4F68.4000204@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:36:40 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e924d41-d2a1-4f6e-8005-510baa95c624 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CF4F7A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) I'm interested in experimenting with this style of gown. Does anyone know of a diagram that shows the cutting shape of the bell sleeve? The body of the dress I think I can figure out. Here are some examples: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/eliz1-scrots.jpg http://www.geocities.com/anoria_j/Medieval_images/Lady_Jane_Grey.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 18:07:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OM7CnV003666 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:07:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OM7Cst015727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:07:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OM5kUl076569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OM5gjR006692; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7OM5dIm006548 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:05:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 98170 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2007 22:05:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oW8AE.kVM1m8jXnbqby_I4IIgzDAWVVJbALbgdr6WzeK10Og.IZpVe1omZKR7sAmSrwcVzBcvomTnXcjSKqBD4zZ4D4On1rqmrdRdmYhaI5eWe8QMw-- Received: from [81.152.19.111] by web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:05:33 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:05:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46CF4F68.4000204@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <974349.96350.qm@web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8dd3cd6a-6cfe-4e3e-8b97-15327d4e9250 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CF5690.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:07:16 -0400 (EDT) On page 115 of the Tudor Tailor, there is a pattern/diagram. I personally think that the "alternate cut" given looks closer to the ones shown in the portraits you provided. Good luck! Teena Dawn wrote: I'm interested in experimenting with this style of gown. Does anyone know of a diagram that shows the cutting shape of the bell sleeve? The body of the dress I think I can figure out. Here are some examples: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/eliz1-scrots.jpg http://www.geocities.com/anoria_j/Medieval_images/Lady_Jane_Grey.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 18:08:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OM8HgC003767 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:08:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OM8IR8016441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:08:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OM7fjc076947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OM7eCk008918; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OM7aRe008776 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c6a.14d2f209 (49383) for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d06.mail.aol.com (v119.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD065-c0e746cf56a019d; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:07:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> References: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] last embroidery Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:07:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa03e49a-644b-46b4-9f1a-86e5ea72a570 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CF56D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Gorgeous, as always! I'm drooling over your work. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Aug 24, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of the=20 > silver spangeled suit. > This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. > 10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak=20 > Street, London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and=20 > tedious work. I am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the=20 > result. > Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last=20 > embroidery on the second pocket flap................ > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 18:18:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OMILrR004499 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:18:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OMIMft031416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:18:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7OMHtk8078289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OMHneq019797; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OMHjbt019729 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 548F42E8254 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:07:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 011FD2E81F0 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:07:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22492 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:17:42 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:17:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <974349.96350.qm@web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves Thread-Index: Acfmmv4H3BVBZweRQjOzziKHbRVjPQAAGLgw References: <46CF4F68.4000204@reddawn.net> <974349.96350.qm@web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2678345-7f5a-4caa-b338-d2f36cde66b5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CF592E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:18:25 -0400 (EDT) I agree too that the "alternative cut" gives a more portrait look, although I've only played with both as possible sleeves for Tonner's new 12" Agnes Dreary doll. Now that I have a digital camera, I can take pics of the project in progress--when I get to doing it--and maybe share those pics, if anyone on the list might be interested. You could also try Jean Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800." There is a bell sleeve pattern with an alternative "Lady Jane Grey" sleeve that is cut on the bias. Now that "Lady Jane Grey" sleeve should be called "Queen Katherine Parr" as the portrait Hunnisett adapted it from has been reidentified as the later.=20 Hunnisett also has scale patterns of Tudor bodices, foreparts. Undersleeves, and overskirts. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Beteena Paradise Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves On page 115 of the Tudor Tailor, there is a pattern/diagram. I personally think that the "alternate cut" given looks closer to the ones shown in the portraits you provided. =20 Good luck! =20 Teena Dawn wrote: I'm interested in experimenting with this style of gown. Does anyone know of a diagram that shows the cutting shape of the bell sleeve? The body of the dress I think I can figure out. Here are some examples:=20 http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/eliz1-scrots.jpg http://www.geocities.com/anoria_j/Medieval_images/Lady_Jane_Grey.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 19:49:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ONnfOo011026 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:49:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ONngAD031469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:49:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ONmJkM090185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ONmGGU006329; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:48:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ONmBXv006174 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d55.1153e5f3 (42807) for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:48:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:48:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d80ab0ea-13e4-4ccd-91e8-e1d31b3e3d18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CF6E96.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:49:46 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/24/2007 6:22:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Hunnisett also has scale patterns of Tudor bodices, foreparts. Undersleeves, and overskirts. ************** Indeed. And they all look quite good when made up. One problem you might [will] encounter is keeping the wide neckline on the shoulders once you've got that huge and heavy sleeve set into the armseye. A very very tight armseye [and that V back] does the trick. Look at the portrait of Jane Seymore and you can see how tight the armseye looks. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 20:28:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P0SdYi013456 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:28:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7P0Se6T008611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:28:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7P0RxGf094420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:27:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P0RvWl040147; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P0RK2l039680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-190-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.190]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l7P0RISO002477 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:27:19 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c7e6ae$b24a9a00$bed5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46CF4F68.4000204@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:27:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35d78cb6-a774-4045-bc31-43754f5976eb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CF77B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:28:43 -0400 (EDT) This website http://livinghistory.co.uk/homepages/tudorcostumes/howtosleeves.html has a diagram of the basic sleeve pattern which is not that different to those in Tudor Tailor or Hunnisett, though, all the other sleeve patterns I've seen have a more square bell rather than the rounded one on this website. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves > I'm interested in experimenting with this style of gown. Does anyone know > of a diagram that shows the cutting shape of the bell sleeve? The body of > the dress I think I can figure out. > > Here are some examples: > http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/eliz1-scrots.jpg > > http://www.geocities.com/anoria_j/Medieval_images/Lady_Jane_Grey.jpg > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg > > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 21:09:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P19NIC016154 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:09:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7P19O0g028340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:09:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7P18EOb001881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P18BZY073940; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P187LJ073822 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2102FCB5B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:08:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46CF810B.5080500@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:08:27 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves References: <974349.96350.qm@web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <974349.96350.qm@web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c396914f-4514-4105-9281-dd01051bdb46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46CF8144.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Beteena Paradise wrote: > On page 115 of the Tudor Tailor, there is a pattern/diagram. I personally think that the "alternate cut" given looks closer to the ones shown in the portraits you provided. > Duh! I have that book! For some reason I was thinking it only covered lower class clothing. Thanks! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 21:49:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P1nsPv018473 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:49:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7P1ntVI007624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7P1m5BO006692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P1m344006947; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.201]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P1m0Ft006865 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.20]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:47:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:47:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.64.24 by BAY133-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:47:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.64.24] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] last embroidery Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:46:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:46:06 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2007 01:47:55.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4B8ABB0:01C7E6B9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0196ee67-77dd-492b-a1ee-db812eb168ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46CF8AC3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Aside from it's beauty, I amazed at the speed at which you work! Wow! It is beautiful! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bjarne og Leif Drews=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of the = silver spangeled suit. This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. 10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak = Street,=20 London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and tedious = work. I=20 am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the result. Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last = embroidery=20 on the second pocket flap................ = http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk = http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 24 23:33:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P3XN0k024157 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:33:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7P3WJ2u001411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:32:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7P3UwQg018874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P3Utcn087996; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P3UrPx087933 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zelina@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so702691nze for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:30:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p/XJ2QIo0ej4ehjjD6amFSnQovJIUuSdFZKtzc1krJ8FXd/lR6Ph46bGd/he3upFayMrZEjQCcbmdhCOzwcBY3qcLWju9RFfM3+fiAi/zn8IAvp0p4Gg9vUEJoL7zmFBSNUWpEJcdf6O0Rbe7r8VgTe00jSpmqspav0ci+Rdccs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WTPH7WdtLF9BkgoIx2h1bmM76rpJSWNadX4rjWRLvXsmvZd/zSjPFGSSN+QbxJENqxqjuk3STX/h7yIBzAF5k/nSIcVCrhppzY76eOcWU+6gupSzzfZ1b1CnGX8pcLGpPp1qlK8vGgTHZE0ND/5UROFqn0wVLlC3+uHQxaV8guk= Received: by 10.143.161.3 with SMTP id n3mr408608wfo.1188012649286; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.8.15 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296d9cc0708242030ma79516ch436b8a00656edb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:30:49 -0300 From: "Zelina Silverfox" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for sources, etc. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c7e685$08469230$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46CFA2C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:33:27 -0400 (EDT) If you are looking for something north of the border..perhaps take a look at the Calgary stampede in it's historical context and go from there. Apparently there are generations of girls that work that route. Hope to have helped. Z On 8/24/07, otsisto wrote: > Uh..no. Hope Floats is one of my favorite movies. The main character's > husband has an affair with Birdie's (main character) best friend and Birdie > is brought on a Springer type show and told by her "best" friend about the > affair. So Birdie and her daughter go back to her home town to live with her > mother. > The bar scene that Birdie is in has regular people at the bar. The person > she outs to the bar crowd as having work done on her breasts is the town's > snob/gossip. > Not sure what to suggest for the floozy. Best Little Whorehouse in Texas? > > De > > > -----Original Message----- > There was a movie, "Hope Floats", (1998) starring Sandra Bullock, about a > woman who returns to small Texas town after something (I don't remember). > There is a scene in it when she goes out on Saturday night to local watering > hole to drink and dance. It might help. > > -----Original Message----- > No answers to my request for ideas, impressions, images on modern cowtown > floozies on Saturday nite - I know its not an historic thing and I also know > some of you do stage productions; my impression is that most do academic > stage work, which I did for 27 years. For the last 7 years it has been > community theatre in Texas. I really would appreciate help. This character > just won't come for Saturday night. > You may contact me offline if you like at the above eaddress. > Second request: does anyone use the "Costume Bible" ? Those of you who know > this software, what are your impressions? Please? > Thank you, > Audy > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 00:50:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P4ogqB027892 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:50:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7P4nh7w004875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:49:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7P4liTl030923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P4le2O049883; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.90]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P4lbGE049731 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:47:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.33]) by bay0-omc1-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:47:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:47:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:47:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.49.58.29] X-Originating-Email: [praxis_729@hotmail.com] X-Sender: praxis_729@hotmail.com From: "Paula Praxis" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] last embroidery Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:47:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2007 04:47:31.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BFEE2D0:01C7E6D3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46CFB4E7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:50:47 -0400 (EDT) I remember seeing your drawings somewhere awhile ago; your choices of color are beautiful!!! I also am very impressed by your buttons- your patience is amazing. Is this for you? Where will you wear this? I recurited a whole new following for you in Seattle last week-end. I will send this link to my sister & sister in law. I know they'll LOVE it. Paula >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery >Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:26:00 +0200 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by >bay0-mc2-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, >24 Aug 2007 11:32:58 -0700 >Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by >www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id >l7OIWM7H026858(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 >verify=OK);Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:32:22 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from >h-costume-bounces@indra.com) >Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com >(8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OIRIfS031853;Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:31:36 >-0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) >Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199])by >net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7OIQNIf030501for >; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:26:50 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from >drewscph@post12.tele.dk) >Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep35.mail.dk(InterMail >vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTPid ><20070824182604.CEPC4104.fep35.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk>for >; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:26:04 +0200 >Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.141]) by fep40.mail.dk(InterMail >vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTPid ><20070824182452.XYOD21385.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711>for >; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:24:52 +0200 >X-Message-Delivery: Vj0zLjQuMDt1cz0wO2k9MDtsPTA7YT0w >X-Message-Info: >bPCY57aSH9tNtjqEsZhW/E9wIRPTRRwgR1hoMVr0DQLdjgKs+bWtPfQVYDIK6ZMJVl/6q8BZ2tMDFvKBuH//Pw== >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 >X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk >from[80.63.231.141] at Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:24:46 +0200 >X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist >X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Historical Costume >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2007 18:32:58.0479 (UTC) >FILETIME=[31D67FF0:01C7E67D] > > >Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of the >silver spangeled suit. >This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. >10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak Street, >London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and tedious work. I >am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the result. >Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last >embroidery on the second pocket flap................ >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > >Bjarne > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 10:18:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PEIDBe005137 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:18:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7PEIDhA027902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7PEGtHp004798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PEGpFW046780; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PEGltc046628 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:16:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070825141641.BFT3832.fep32.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:16:41 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.252]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070825141528.YHEX21385.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:15:28 +0200 Message-ID: <003601c7e722$8ce6aaa0$fce73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:16:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.252] at Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:15:19 +0200 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 264ad2f8-c99c-45b9-9658-333447f313c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D03A25.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Thankyou all for your nice response of the silver spangeled suit. I am going to make the suit for myself, as i am going to a 3 day event in Bayreuth, Germany. 14th, 15th. and 16th september. First evening, a danse and dinner soiré in the baroque "Prinsesse House" second evening Opera in the old baroque opera, hearing Henry Purcels "King Arthur" - finally last day, a picknick......... In the opera, i am escorting Henriette whom i made the embroidered anglaise dress, she will wear it that evening. I plan to take loads of pictures and post them on my pages when i get back. I am introducing a new wig two, i had one made after Mr. Cossway in "Jefferson in Paris" Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 10:40:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PEeCD2006132 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:40:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7PEeDcq016921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:40:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7PEdGIW007597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PEdFIW068683; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7P8LF3H017036 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A645101F02F0; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:20:21 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <46CF4F68.4000204@reddawn.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:21:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7e6f0$ee0e69d0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfmlzxUSNcys2DUQPCpgn0YlWU4pgAWV+9g In-Reply-To: <46CF4F68.4000204@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: df2adafa-3af0-406f-9c99-9ae5bd660ee4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D03F4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:40:16 -0400 (EDT) If you are in San Francisco this weekend, you can see them in person at the "Golden Gate Tudor Faire" in Golden Gate Park. Sharon, (who is playing a Lady in Waiting to Queen Mary Tudor) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:37 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] English Tudor bell sleeves I'm interested in experimenting with this style of gown. Does anyone know of a diagram that shows the cutting shape of the bell sleeve? The body of the dress I think I can figure out. Here are some examples: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/eliz1-scrots.jpg http://www.geocities.com/anoria_j/Medieval_images/Lady_Jane_Grey.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/redjane.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 10:47:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PElIPv006307 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:47:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7PElIMP005342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7PEkfZ0008779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PEkega076672; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from server022.dfw.nationwide.net (server022.dfw.nationwide.net [206.123.129.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7PEkbU9076619 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 24450 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2007 14:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO D1V3BRB1) (76.102.49.117) by server022.dfw.nationwide.net with SMTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:46:37 +0000 From: "Diana Habra" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] last embroidery Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c7e726$bd02f690$0a00a8c0@D1V3BRB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfmfUlkWA1+wfEQROW2zohOO0d4AQAqVJxg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <001301c7e67c$3a8beb90$8de73f50@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1eff0173-7969-4deb-8f36-d2542cd9fe1a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D040F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Bjarne, Your patience and devotion to these projects amazes me! It is stunning! Diana (whose new love is 18th century) -- www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Be the change you want to see in the world" --Ghandi -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:26 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery for the jacket of the silver spangeled suit. This has ben a lot of work, with moments of dispare and solitude. 10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with the leaves in Beak Street, London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a slow and tedious work. I am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the result. Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just finnished the last embroidery on the second pocket flap................ http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 12:02:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PG2Z00009711 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:02:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7PG2avx003220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7PG1WIp018645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PG1TAa055499; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PG1Pr7055331 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.13]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:01:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:01:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.66.29 by BAY133-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:01:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.66.29] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003601c7e722$8ce6aaa0$fce73f50@CPQ21932199711> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:01:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:01:20 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2007 16:01:20.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D3D14E0:01C7E731] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bayrueth Germany X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2d015de-cc8f-47e4-aa3c-a43036d3fb4d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D0529C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:02:40 -0400 (EDT) I see Bayreuth is near Nuremburg....we will be in Germany at this time, = near there. Too bad I don't have anything to wear! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bjarne og Leif Drews=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:16 AM Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery Thankyou all for your nice response of the silver spangeled suit. I am going to make the suit for myself, as i am going to a 3 day event = in=20 Bayreuth, Germany. 14th, 15th. and 16th september. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 13:15:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PHFtkE013024 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:15:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7PHFtaA024633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:15:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7PHDqa8028204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PHDn0I030773; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PHDk5A030626 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:13:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d40.11f07e30 (41812) for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:13:38 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] last embroidery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17794ada-dca0-4ebc-8632-218359a2fa50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D063CB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/25/2007 10:20:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: hearing Henry Purcels "King Arthur" ************ I love Purcell! His religious music is...well...divine. His operas, but for "Dido & Aeneas", are strange affairs, being more like masques, sometimes meant to be played between the acts of a play. Like "The Fairy Queen", whose 5 acts were meant to be inserted between the 5 acts of "A Midsummer Night's Dream". Consequently, they seem to be a string of almost unrelated scenes. But there is much great music and hummable ditties in the masques. "King Arthur" falls somewhere between "Dido" and "Fairy Queen". Of course for 1780's his music is old fashion. His output is "Restoration" and he died in 1695. Of course I'd love to see your take on a 1690's outfit. You'll have to have a full bottomed wig made! And I'm so glad you like "Jefferson in Paris". I believe I recommended it to you when you were making your gown a la anglais a while back. I love it, but I seem to be in the minority on that score. If you want a great film full of full bottomed wigs, try "The Draughtsman's Contract".... another one of my faves! It's deliciously evil! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 14:36:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PIaN0C016045 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:36:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7PIaOq6004202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7PIYGEb037512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PIY91G002436; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PIY5v1002298 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070825183359.CJQO16863.fep30.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:33:59 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.252]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070825183358.YJPF9217.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:33:58 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c7e746$7fde23a0$fce73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:33:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.252] at Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:33:49 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bayreuth Germany X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97c5ce91-ec85-4c95-ac49-b06e17b68c90 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D076A8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Hi Saragrace. That is a shame, on the other hand, the tickets were ordered nearly a year ago. They had these events for the first time last year, and it was a succes, so they wanted to make again this year. Maybe its going to be a tradition? I am having a night train directly from Copenhagen to Nürnberg, and then go to Bayreuth from there. Would have ben very nice to meet you in person! Bjarne I see Bayreuth is near Nuremburg....we will be in Germany at this time, near there. Too bad I don't have anything to wear! Sg Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 14:45:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PIjF31016445 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:45:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7PIjG6R015379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7PIeOw8038625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PIeNDD008236; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PIeJmO008090 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070825184013.EJRD4747.fep33.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:40:13 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.252]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070825184013.YLRP13901.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:40:13 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c7e747$62730d70$fce73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:40:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.63.231.252] at Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:40:10 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery - Henry Purcel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 347d101e-1bac-4395-a26b-bf84e17eb6f4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D078BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Yes you are right, to be quite correct Purcels music is two early, - they had a Haendel opera last year, wich would have ben more correct. But i think perhaps they also played old composer some times. I know the Draughtmans Contract, its also one of those i love a lot. I especially like the way the costumes are done, a little exagerated, wich i would have done two, if i had the chance. I love the white mantuas, and the tall fontanges................ Yes i am very glad that you pointed me to Jefferson in Paris, its ben one of my favourites for a long time now. Bjarne I love Purcell! His religious music is...well...divine. His operas, but for "Dido & Aeneas", are strange affairs, being more like masques, sometimes meant to be played between the acts of a play. Like "The Fairy Queen", whose 5 acts were meant to be inserted between the 5 acts of "A Midsummer Night's Dream". Consequently, they seem to be a string of almost unrelated scenes. But there is much great music and hummable ditties in the masques. "King Arthur" falls somewhere between "Dido" and "Fairy Queen". Of course for 1780's his music is old fashion. His output is "Restoration" and he died in 1695. Of course I'd love to see your take on a 1690's outfit. You'll have to have a full bottomed wig made! And I'm so glad you like "Jefferson in Paris". I believe I recommended it to you when you were making your gown a la anglais a while back. I love it, but I seem to be in the minority on that score. If you want a great film full of full bottomed wigs, try "The Draughtsman's Contract".... another one of my faves! It's deliciously evil! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 15:56:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PJu56Y018797 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:56:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7PJu5SM010446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:56:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7PJspuj050306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PJskCf073611; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PJsepq073364 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:54:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:55:37 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E751.E7F67CD4" Subject: RE: [h-cost] last embroidery Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:55:07 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC668@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC668@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] last embroidery Thread-Index: AcfnIvHH9RB5un39RdSIhJHp/VtdeAALuQ/5 References: <003601c7e722$8ce6aaa0$fce73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2007 19:55:37.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8293390:01C7E751] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1733816e-3193-43c9-a35e-667e5d1d99cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D08955.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:56:09 -0400 (EDT) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E751.E7F67CD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have a wonderful time! I can't wait to see the pictures. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sat 8/25/2007 10:16 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery Thankyou all for your nice response of the silver spangeled suit. I am going to make the suit for myself, as i am going to a 3 day event = in Bayreuth, Germany. 14th, 15th. and 16th september. First evening, a danse and dinner soir=E9 in the baroque "Prinsesse = House" second evening Opera in the old baroque opera, hearing Henry Purcels = "King Arthur" - finally last day, a picknick......... In the opera, i am escorting Henriette whom i made the embroidered = anglaise dress, she will wear it that evening. I plan to take loads of pictures and post them on my pages when i get = back. I am introducing a new wig two, i had one made after Mr. Cossway in "Jefferson in Paris" Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E751.E7F67CD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E751.E7F67CD4-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 20:50:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q0oGsm027738 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:50:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7Q0oGWc024968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:50:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7Q0n3ai095400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q0mw88024766; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7PL9uVk039498 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-71-50-216-59.dyn.embarqhsd.net [71.50.216.59]) (Authenticated sender: cschmitt@genteelarts.com) by smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5115B758052; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:09:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:04:59 -0400 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <004501c7e75b$99471080$e600a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfnW11sY/AYsom8Swmu7uwIEGZ6UA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:48:56 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 2008 Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db257bf5-d555-441f-8f03-2f24790eed52 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D0CE48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Good Afternoon - I apologize for the duplicate messages for those who are members of multiple groups. We have posted links on our web site www.genteelarts.com to information for the 2008 Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference. The information is available as a downloadable document in Word and PDF formats (information) and Excel and PDF formats (registration forms). The documents contain all of the details for next year's Conference. In a few days we will post the web page itself, which will also include photos of some of the workshop projects and additional information on the Angels Project. We're looking forward to seeing old and new friends next March! Regards, Carolann Schmitt www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 6-9, 2008 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 23:12:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q3C7Sl030752 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:12:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7Q3C8pH004517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:12:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7Q3Au3I012121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q3ArFK029967; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q3AobH029927 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:10:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-74-65-213-40.nyc.res.rr.com [74.65.213.40]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l7Q3AnAi017969 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: "h-costume" Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:12:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] New York Garment Center is in trouble X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f6f2bdc-6ebd-42a2-b84d-a4bbfdb4cc57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D0EF88.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:12:12 -0400 (EDT) I read with interest last week a discussion about dwindling fabric shopping in New York. No kidding! I’ve been a costume designer in New York since 1972. Way back then there were several fabric districts – 57th Street, the 30’s (the Garment District), 14th Street (cheap fabrics for off-off-Broadway and dinner theater), and Orchard Street (Jewish-owned stores open on Sunday). There were also stores on lower Broadway, which is now more of a college town for NYU. For those “in the know” there was also Louis Gladstone (up near MOMA) and LP Thur on 23rd Street. Diamond Discount and C&F were in the East Village. There was fabric and trim ALL OVER the city. Practically all the fabric outlets outside the actual Garment District have closed. When it was time to renew the lease, their rents went through the roof. I was on Orchard Street a few days ago. It used to be a place you could find wonderful, affordable fabrics and trim, stacked to the ceiling in hole-in-the-wall shops. I was amazed to see one ultra-cool eatery after another and up-scale shops selling witty little evening bags that cost more than an off-Broadway production of Hamlet. Now the Garment District itself is fighting for its life. New zoning is threatening to open up space once zoned for light manufacturing (cutting rooms, etc.) to office space. Not only the small manufacturing and design spaces on the upper floors in the Garment District are disappearing. The costume shops, milliners, vintage clothing rental establishments are being priced out of the area. And so are the fabric and trim shops that have always occupied the ground level. Can this unique area be saved or will New York become a city of office workers and Starbucks? There is a group fighting this and we ask you, as people interested in costume and fabric and fashion, to become involved. Please have a look at the web site- http://savethegarmentcenter.com/. Sign the petition, write a letter in support. Read the letters from other costume people under “Press and Stories.” Meanwhile, if I can help any out-of-towners with shopping specifics in New York, I’ll be glad to. I just bought some perfectly lovely linen for $5.00 a yard on 39th Street. And, by the way, Greenberg & Hammer has just moved downtown from 57th. Google their web site for information about the new store. Martha McCain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Aug 25 23:24:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q3OE0E031018 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:24:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7Q3OEAO026688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:24:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7Q3Nqht013306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q3Nnnk038948; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q3N8C8038516 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.171]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099C269E39 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:23:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-181.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-181.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.181]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:23:06 +1000 Message-ID: <1188098586.46d0f21ab7263@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:23:06 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <001101c7e747$62730d70$fce73f50@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001101c7e747$62730d70$fce73f50@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Feminists be damned, one for the blokes to look at (bra centenary) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e92d307-783c-46aa-9328-870313a99563 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D0F25F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Hi Martha-- I have been a costume designer (1976-82), and then a swimwear designer(1982-2003) since I graduated in 1976 with my first Masters. I now teach in NYC in a Fashion program at the Art Institute on NYC. What you say goes double for me. I am trying to figure out a way to get my kids (students) into the market without getting them discouraged at the dearth of suppliers. This is a terrible situation--- China is sending us lead-impregnated fabrics and there is no textile industry or contractors here in the US. We in the industry are getting desperate. What are we to do??? Monica Remembering the "Good old Days" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Martha Kelly Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:13 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] New York Garment Center is in trouble I read with interest last week a discussion about dwindling fabric shopping in New York. No kidding! I’ve been a costume designer in New York since 1972. Way back then there were several fabric districts – 57th Street, the 30’s (the Garment District), 14th Street (cheap fabrics for off-off-Broadway and dinner theater), and Orchard Street (Jewish-owned stores open on Sunday). There were also stores on lower Broadway, which is now more of a college town for NYU. For those “in the know” there was also Louis Gladstone (up near MOMA) and LP Thur on 23rd Street. Diamond Discount and C&F were in the East Village. There was fabric and trim ALL OVER the city. Practically all the fabric outlets outside the actual Garment District have closed. When it was time to renew the lease, their rents went through the roof. I was on Orchard Street a few days ago. It used to be a place you could find wonderful, affordable fabrics and trim, stacked to the ceiling in hole-in-the-wall shops. I was amazed to see one ultra-cool eatery after another and up-scale shops selling witty little evening bags that cost more than an off-Broadway production of Hamlet. Now the Garment District itself is fighting for its life. New zoning is threatening to open up space once zoned for light manufacturing (cutting rooms, etc.) to office space. Not only the small manufacturing and design spaces on the upper floors in the Garment District are disappearing. The costume shops, milliners, vintage clothing rental establishments are being priced out of the area. And so are the fabric and trim shops that have always occupied the ground level. Can this unique area be saved or will New York become a city of office workers and Starbucks? There is a group fighting this and we ask you, as people interested in costume and fabric and fashion, to become involved. Please have a look at the web site- http://savethegarmentcenter.com/. Sign the petition, write a letter in support. Read the letters from other costume people under “Press and Stories.” Meanwhile, if I can help any out-of-towners with shopping specifics in New York, I’ll be glad to. I just bought some perfectly lovely linen for $5.00 a yard on 39th Street. And, by the way, Greenberg & Hammer has just moved downtown from 57th. Google their web site for information about the new store. Martha McCain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 04:13:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q8DT6N004942 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:13:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7Q8DUEX023261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:13:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7Q8CKm4046452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q8CExd046685; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7Q8CAq4046635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l7Q8C970003662 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:12:09 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayrueth Germany Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:14:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa5f3a72-600a-4e52-8aa3-5ccd6a9ed692 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D1362A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:13:34 -0400 (EDT) ER... Bayreuth being near Nuremberg. Well, they are in much the same way that LA is close to San Francisco. Always remember that any "short-cut" that takes you off the Autobahn will double your travel time :-) Regina (who lived there many years and just came back from a visit to what had always been "East Germany" when she was there before) > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:01 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Bayrueth Germany > > > I see Bayreuth is near Nuremburg....we will be in Germany at this > time, near there. Too bad I don't have anything to wear! > > Sg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 09:07:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QD7Nlx025685 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:07:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7QD7NdJ001847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:07:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7QD5tJv083340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QD5jTZ084503; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QD5hla084476 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1283754wxc for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:05:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=eg6OJCoI8x+gBtDhI/V88EygkpuHrFkkVLYhcOBDQnjADxCVB7D++MmRzRt4hjgt2v0pLixxhRLwtemj/v6Ucj9MTeK2jv5CnZDszAhLZN16vWb+9Fin06u62MF/LLIfcWslUvyNyJFQJpO4q/b4EN/5uMk13IucX6zSgrVzSPY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=oUJ5HQRwgIl68MsENOpSDfLwyOMVNK3ZekMEgf33ReIcbjIyZWLo1GCDABAF7QIJcy9M7efUi4KY34Qhz/wJH2tMWX3kWk3N6LbyRyql7a5MNXIOLXIS+W8vQrhSCtJT8m7E5PzHlaHsuUmmUQDEAlAw/TmSoQcbbbgGJ4hU9Rg= Received: by 10.70.122.11 with SMTP id u11mr8392185wxc.1188133542600; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheBeast ( [141.154.159.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm8353548wrl.2007.08.26.06.05.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003701c7e7e1$d2382060$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New York Garment Center is in trouble Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:05:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c4ed56e-2c6f-406c-afde-5de10ce8cb81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D17B0C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Spreading the news! Starr >I read with interest last week a discussion about dwindling fabric shopping > in New York. > > No kidding! I've been a costume designer in New York since 1972. Way > back > then there were several fabric districts - 57th Street, the 30's (the > Garment District), 14th Street (cheap fabrics for off-off-Broadway and > dinner theater), and Orchard Street (Jewish-owned stores open on Sunday). > There were also stores on lower Broadway, which is now more of a college > town for NYU. For those "in the know" there was also Louis Gladstone (up > near MOMA) and LP Thur on 23rd Street. Diamond Discount and C&F were in > the > East Village. There was fabric and trim ALL OVER the city. > > Practically all the fabric outlets outside the actual Garment District > have > closed. When it was time to renew the lease, their rents went through the > roof. I was on Orchard Street a few days ago. It used to be a place you > could find wonderful, affordable fabrics and trim, stacked to the ceiling > in > hole-in-the-wall shops. I was amazed to see one ultra-cool eatery after > another and up-scale shops selling witty little evening bags that cost > more > than an off-Broadway production of Hamlet. > > Now the Garment District itself is fighting for its life. New zoning is > threatening to open up space once zoned for light manufacturing (cutting > rooms, etc.) to office space. Not only the small manufacturing and design > spaces on the upper floors in the Garment District are disappearing. The > costume shops, milliners, vintage clothing rental establishments are being > priced out of the area. And so are the fabric and trim shops that have > always occupied the ground level. > > Can this unique area be saved or will New York become a city of office > workers and Starbucks? There is a group fighting this and we ask you, as > people interested in costume and fabric and fashion, to become involved. > Please have a look at the web site- http://savethegarmentcenter.com/. > Sign > the petition, write a letter in support. Read the letters from other > costume > people under "Press and Stories." > > Meanwhile, if I can help any out-of-towners with shopping specifics in New > York, I'll be glad to. I just bought some perfectly lovely linen for > $5.00 > a yard on 39th Street. And, by the way, Greenberg & Hammer has just moved > downtown from 57th. Google their web site for information about the new > store. > > Martha McCain > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 10:26:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QEQjoN030345 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:26:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7QEQkLu020312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7QEPdnY092174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QEPaWZ050022; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QEPXjQ049928 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.116]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:25:28 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:25:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:25:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.189.73] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1188098586.46d0f21ab7263@webmail.netspace.net.au> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Feminists be damned, one for the blokes to look at (bra centenary) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:25:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2007 14:25:28.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[F32058F0:01C7E7EC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad0e8650-570e-4d79-b138-c165762793ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D18DA6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Laurie (not a bloke but interested in bras nonetheless) >From: stilskin@netspace.net.au >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Feminists be damned,one for the blokes to look at (bra >centenary) >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:23:06 +1000 > >http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/slideshow.aspx? >sectionid=5315§ionname=slideshow&subsectionid=75014&subsectionname=brahisto >ry&photo=1 > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 10:45:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QEjnpe031747 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:45:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7QEjotx026485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:45:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7QEjJZs095507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QEjI2q066159; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QEjFNh065984 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:45:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:45:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.66.29 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:45:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.66.29] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayrueth Germany Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:45:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:45:11 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2007 14:45:10.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3EAFBB0:01C7E7EF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f43b1678-5cd7-4150-bff5-13bee0246a06 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D1921E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:45:54 -0400 (EDT) I guess when you live in Arizona, an hours drive is nothing. Even the = back way it is about an hour and a half. When we lived in Germany we drove all over Europe....It seemed small = compared to traveling across Texas and California! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wanda Pease=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 1:14 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayrueth Germany ER... Bayreuth being near Nuremberg. Well, they are in much the = same way that LA is close to San Francisco. Always remember that any = "short-cut" that takes you off the Autobahn will double your travel time :-) Regina (who lived there many years and just came back from a visit to = what had always been "East Germany" when she was there before) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 11:00:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QF0kDx032348 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:00:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7QF0lYq002271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:00:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7QExlJe099082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QExjH8080864; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1012.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1012.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7QExftk080675 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 25776 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2007 14:59:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TRIzNMcVM1mix4JJnnxmaNFx6VCqSnPqP8C3ZtWIbCUFNmgLcZJMMrIlXUUpSXps5N3Kb0dJrA-- Received: from [81.152.19.111] by web1012.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:59:35 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayrueth Germany To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <10756.25207.qm@web1012.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49404010-59c2-4ee2-b893-b4fe8c9c0aae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D1959F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:00:51 -0400 (EDT) The distance isn't quite so bad. LA and SF are over 300 miles apart. Bayreuth and Nuremberg are about 50 miles apart. I've known people to drive farther than that for Krispy Kreme donuts! :) Wanda Pease wrote: ER... Bayreuth being near Nuremberg. Well, they are in much the same way that LA is close to San Francisco. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 11:38:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QFcmeP001447 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:38:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7QFcmun026766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:38:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7QFbWsi004627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:37:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QFbUKn016048; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QFbOge015954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.26.228] (core-dc-1-228.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.26.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l7QFbCbr031653 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:37:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Carol Kocian Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:37:10 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bra centenary X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d4ffadc-7381-41e2-8ec8-2bec3adfb8b2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D19E89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:38:52 -0400 (EDT) It works if you go to: http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/ and click the link from there. I changed the subject line because it was offensive. The "history" is brief, captions on each of 12 photos. It's done in a factual way and not as a "men's entertainment" piece. It's not porn. I would bet many of us have better bra histories on our bookshelves already. -Carol On Aug 26, 2007, at 10:25 AM, zelda crusher wrote: > Cut and pasted the thing twice, came back "bad request". > > Laurie (not a bloke but interested in bras nonetheless) > > > >> From: stilskin@netspace.net.au >> Reply-To: Historical Costume >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Feminists be damned,one for the blokes to look >> at (bra centenary) >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:23:06 +1000 >> >> http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/slideshow.aspx? >> sectionid=5315§ionname=slideshow&subsectionid=75014&subsectionnam >> e=brahisto >> ry&photo=1 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN > Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/ > aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 14:22:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QIMcXh009617 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:22:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7QIMcMf021816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:22:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7QILX9k033173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QILTRg071907; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QILPD9071779 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JNE00J2R8BI5F60@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.213] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.54.62, [10.240.3.213]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:21:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:21:18 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] New York City Shopping. To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2aebedc-7f9b-4192-b162-05b9825c3785 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D1C4EE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:22:42 -0400 (EDT) I finally dragged out my business cards from my last trip to NYC. here they are (with my notes): Ayazmoon Fabric 235 W 40th St (between 7th & 8th) m-f 9-7, Sat 10-6pm, sun noon -5pm (beaded sari fabric $15/yd) Paron West Corp 206 W 40th, (212) 768-3266 no hours on card www.paronfabrics.com Grey Lines Linen European Linen Fabric 260 W 39th St #4 m-f 9-6:30, Sat 10-6 www.graylinelinen.com Linen is all they sell - from fine chemise weight to heavy coat weight in mostly 'linen' color, many many different weaves and 'feels' Textile Kingdom Corp 554 8th ave (bet 37th & 38th) m-f 9-7, Sat & sun 10-6 212-764-3260 B&J Fabrics 263 W 40th (near 8th) m-f 8-5:45, Sat 9-4:45 212-354-8150 Fashion Fabric, Inc 270 W 39th St m-f 9-7, Sat 10-7, Sun 11-5pm 800-3274322 www.fashionfabricny.com fucia silk twill $10/yd I can not remember which one of these places had pure linen 54" wide for $5/yd. It was a little heavier than chemise weight, but not as heavy as dress weight. Katheryne Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:40:59 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf Oh, and don't bother hiking all the way up to Greenberg & Hammer. It is a teeny weenie store with almost nothing to see. IMHO, their catalogue is a much better way to shop. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 14:30:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QIUq7R010136 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:30:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7QIUr5A020305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:30:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7QIURqt035374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QIUQDM081691; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QIULon081502 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070826183015.ZQET4747.fep33.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:30:15 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.183]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070826183015.YYTN14639.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:30:15 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c7e80f$26f93c10$b7e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:30:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.183] at Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:30:08 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] copy rights X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 295f4022-7754-44c6-88fa-23b2265b17af X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D1C6DD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Some times we speak about copy rights. I was astunned yesterday when i read a rewiev of a new art exhibition in Copenhagen. A danish painter exhibits his work in Bredgade. There was a link to his work: http://www.gma.dk/index.php?id=37&L=0 It is all copyed from the book "Dangerous Liasions". If you schroll down under the picture to the right, there are numbers for more pictures............... But he must have asked for permission or what? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 15:55:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QJtKH8015735 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:55:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7QJtIMa028030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:55:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7QJrpZH012583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QJrlCC054349; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QJrhHY054278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l7QJrgg7000358 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:53:42 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayreuth Germany Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:56:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: <10756.25207.qm@web1012.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ba20165-aa37-4e14-8ae8-32d825d63421 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D1DAA6.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:55:24 -0400 (EDT) True, in mileage they aren't far apart. One thing I learned after living many years over there was that you don't look at mileage so much as time it takes :-). I drive well over 400 miles in a weekend to see friends in Renton, WA while I live in Portland, Oregon. Time on a good day is about 2-3 hours. My last trip took over 6 hours thanks to roadwork combined with traffic. Certainly don't mean to scare anyone off, but I've made that 50 mile trip in two or three hours (!) sometimes. It's good to give yourself more time than you might judging from driving time west of the Rockies :-) Wanda > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Beteena Paradise > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:00 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayrueth Germany > > > The distance isn't quite so bad. LA and SF are over 300 miles > apart. Bayreuth and Nuremberg are about 50 miles apart. I've > known people to drive farther than that for Krispy Kreme donuts! :) > > Wanda Pease wrote: ER... Bayreuth being > near Nuremberg. Well, they are in much the same way > that LA is close to San Francisco. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 21:04:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R14FhO001589 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:04:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7R14GPH031859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7R1302w052487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:03:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R12vFD091710; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QImi0F097520 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:49:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1408941849 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:48:29 -0500 Message-ID: <019901c7e811$b36ef570$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c7e80f$26f93c10$b7e73f50@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:48:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0bb70df-03d4-437d-a4dd-62335729fd48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D22310.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:04:20 -0400 (EDT) > Some times we speak about copy rights. > I was astunned yesterday when i read a rewiev of a new art exhibition in > Copenhagen. A danish painter exhibits his work in Bredgade. > There was a link to his work: http://www.gma.dk/index.php?id=37&L=0 > It is all copyed from the book "Dangerous Liasions". > If you schroll down under the picture to the right, there are numbers for > more pictures............... > But he must have asked for permission or what? I think art work falls into a different category. Unless an artist is copying a work *exactly* and trying to pass it off as an original (forgery) I don't think there is a copyright issue. Artists are free to interpret any other type of work in their own style. Think about Andy Warhol and the Campbell's soup can. I doubt he gave any commission to the Campbell Soup Co. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 21:07:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R17VBh001762 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:07:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7R17WSi000370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:07:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7R171mj053024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R170op094805; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:07:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QJLDFk025986 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:21:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JNE00GBPB347360@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:20:57 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] copy rights In-reply-to: <001001c7e80f$26f93c10$b7e73f50@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af032326-1f06-41cd-af29-4f6afa90dc8b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D223D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Hi Bjarne-- How odd it is that someone would paint a picture from a photo of a costume exhibit at the Met. Since it is his original oil painting, it might not be a copyright issue. However, it probably would have been better to credit the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City and the photos of the exhibit seen in the catalog book for the exhibit ("Dangerous Liasons") as the "inspiration" for the paintings. It looks like intellectual plagerism by not crediting the source. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 2:30 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] copy rights Some times we speak about copy rights. I was astunned yesterday when i read a rewiev of a new art exhibition in Copenhagen. A danish painter exhibits his work in Bredgade. There was a link to his work: http://www.gma.dk/index.php?id=37&L=0 It is all copyed from the book "Dangerous Liasions". If you schroll down under the picture to the right, there are numbers for more pictures............... But he must have asked for permission or what? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 21:10:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1ANuN001987 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:10:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7R1AO9k001521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:10:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7R19sVD053296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R19rmx096872; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QKG4Zi072698 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E0E1401D6 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:16:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Feminists be damned, one for the blokes to look at (bra centenary) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b128a78-0441-48a0-b811-dfaaf5ab26f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D22480.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Try this http://tinyurl.com/yrhxho For those who find long URLs go here http://tinyurl.com/ to shorten it. -----Original Message----- Cut and pasted the thing twice, came back "bad request". Laurie (not a bloke but interested in bras nonetheless) > >centenary) >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:23:06 +1000 > >http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/slideshow.aspx? >sectionid=5315§ionname=slideshow&subsectionid=75014&subsectionname=brah isto >ry&photo=1 > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 21:13:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1DOxG002141 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:13:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7R1DPkX016250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:13:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7R1D2ss053859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1D0oj099286; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7QL7ao2012010 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c4f.1b37e9a2 (14502) for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:07:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:07:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79302e09-262a-4c1f-9055-cfb32011bc4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D22535.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:13:29 -0400 (EDT) That is an interesting question. They are his original paintings, copied from photos in the book. I'm not sure where copyright falls on this issue. If he had posted the photos from the book, yes, he would definitely need permission, and I would doubt very much if he asked for and got it--the Metropolitan Museum charges very high prices for reproduction rights. Someone with more knowledge may weigh in. I know that artists can copy museum paintings, as long as they are clearly labeled as copies, but I doubt if they can use them commerially. This seems similar. However, strictly from an artistic point of view, I would be more impressed if the artist came up with his own concepts from the time period rather than copying the museum vignettes. Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 21:29:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1T8gr002640 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:29:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7R1T9lt012209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:29:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7R1SB06056330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:28:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1S9wg011591; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:28:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1S632011478 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F139FD169 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:28:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46D228CD.9020205@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:28:45 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 807a89f1-c9f0-451c-84d0-647c77ec7ee6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D228E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:29:13 -0400 (EDT) AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > Someone with more knowledge may weigh in. I know that artists can copy > museum paintings, as long as they are clearly labeled as copies, but I doubt if > they can use them commerially. This seems similar. I know that National Geographic does not allow paintings derived from photos or images they publish, and that they have gone after artists in the past. I've seen it mentioned in their magazine. It looks like a derivative work to me, and thus a violation. But it's up to the Met to pursue the matter. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 21:41:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1f92R003148 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:41:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7R1fAdi016205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:41:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7R1eoZo058342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1en7T023548; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:40:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R1ejBB023506 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7R1eiH0014622 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JNE00IRTSNW00@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.107] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:40:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:40:44 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights In-reply-to: <46D228CD.9020205@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <46D228CD.9020205@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ee12a8c2-7ab4-4e51-9246-e0b23cee7362 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D22BB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:41:14 -0400 (EDT) I agree with Dawn - it does look like a derivative work. Years ago I wanted to market a needlework design based on a photo from the newspaper. I did talk to a copyright attorney about it. He said I couldn't without permission from the photographer. The example that he gave was the famous photo of the flag raising on Iwo Jima. The photographer owned the copyright on that image. No derivative work could legally be published/sold without his permission. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 22:16:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R2GEF6004490 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:16:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7R2GEfk017862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:16:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7R2F5wZ062657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R2F3Bn049901; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:15:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R2Expa049842 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 170C4401A4 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:14:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Feminists be damned, one for the blokes to look at (bra centenary) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:15:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c1065d7-d2d6-4be1-a512-ccd489a10f33 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D233EE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran ailith@neo.rr.com wrote: > it does look like a derivative work. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Aug 26 23:54:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R3sXuG009167 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:54:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7R3sYDi012356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:54:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7R3qvsB073760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R3qshS022021; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:52:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7R3qpED021908 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.104]) by bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:52:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:52:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:52:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.189.73] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Feminists be damned, one for the blokes to look at (bra centenary) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:52:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2007 03:52:45.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA45FD20:01C7E85D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab1577e8-92ee-4f02-a304-971de2fc0951 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D24AFA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Laurie >From: "otsisto" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Feminists be damned,one for the blokes to look at >(bra centenary) >Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:15:05 -0500 > >Wow. this is the first time a tinyurl didn't work. > >-----Original Message----- >Try this >http://tinyurl.com/yrhxho > >For those who find long URLs go here >http://tinyurl.com/ >to shorten it. > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. 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(mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@71.137.197.35 with plain) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 06:29:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TQIHI0YVM1mP6dkj3IN1nmSP4aRDbzNaqOt8493oeLZuWbyT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46CA9B34.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> References: <200708210117.l7L1HvE2099934@net.indra.com> <46CA9B34.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Prices in 1957 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:29:26 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 695cd6fa-8767-4230-90af-1e05e54f542b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D26FBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:31:28 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 21, 2007, at 5:58 AM, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in > 1957? I'm not looking for a current value but what something would > have > cost in 1957. Specifically a cocktail length wedding dress?? > My mother still has the silk chiffon cocktail dress she wore when she married my father in 1956. It was a second marriage, so the dress wasn't a standard wedding dress. Hilariously, and completely in character, it turned out she forgot to cut the price tag off before the wedding, and it's still there. It was from an expensive department store in Los Angeles, she thinks it was called Robinson's. The price was $125. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 09:24:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RDOUhN025821 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:24:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RDOV4g018223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:24:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RDNGE2049963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:23:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RDNBMu018043; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RDMGcB016620 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070827132210.JZX4747.fep33.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:22:10 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.39]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070827132210.ZOEK13901.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:22:10 +0200 Message-ID: <003701c7e8ad$4d3ba810$27e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46D228CD.9020205@reddawn.net> <46D238DA.9010409@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:22:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.63.231.39] at Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:22:08 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d479dda-fdec-464a-b693-ca18929036af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D2D08F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Dear Fran, I am not conserned about the matter, i was just curious about if this was legally ok to do. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights > Yes, I think it is. There was, BTW, a legal case where an artist took a > Victoria's Secret catalog lingerie photo, and did a painting from it for > the cover of a romance novel, changing the clothes a bit (such as they > were). He was sued and lost. > > If Bjarne is concerned he should contact the Metropolitan Museum. > > Fran > > ailith@neo.rr.com wrote: >> it does look like a derivative work. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 12:07:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RG7PFi003616 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:07:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RG7PB5015275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:07:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RG5jKf086819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RG5F62019317; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RG53F4018995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:05:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.157] (209-148-118-157.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.157]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l7RG4sCC020669 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:04:56 -0700 Message-ID: <46D2F628.9000909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:04:56 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights References: <46D228CD.9020205@reddawn.net> <46D238DA.9010409@lavoltapress.com> <003701c7e8ad$4d3ba810$27e73f50@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003701c7e8ad$4d3ba810$27e73f50@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43d2ed93-4a3f-4d8d-b7d1-b5f09f034a36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D2F6BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Personally, I think you should tell them, and then leave it up to them whether to do anything about it. But otherwise, with this being a foreign artist, they may not know. Fran Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Fran, > I am not conserned about the matter, i was just curious about if this > was legally ok to do. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:37 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights > > >> Yes, I think it is. There was, BTW, a legal case where an artist took >> a Victoria's Secret catalog lingerie photo, and did a painting from it >> for the cover of a romance novel, changing the clothes a bit (such as >> they were). He was sued and lost. >> >> If Bjarne is concerned he should contact the Metropolitan Museum. >> >> Fran >> >> ailith@neo.rr.com wrote: >> >>> it does look like a derivative work. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 14:58:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RIwsA6010976 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:58:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RIws4b023961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:58:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RIt4rn019140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RIsVPW029886; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7RIsJ5C029519 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:54:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91628 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2007 18:53:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qJeWYlnbtkJ/rs8IUNeJGGx2vj3wy0bJVF/ABTuEULlnAJHjhjX7rzMAzMR/xqZN5xFYRRVo6ttc5KuxuZYEo3pH/L/yLDgAExIFA/ZspbZowdg8lGlsWdUWlrEfInUa6mYPe6722EJYEmxKuvBajpy2hV53OvTmR+MUkQDxw2w=; X-YMail-OSG: ZWC5onAVM1mi0hExL8.bffHX5dXsgKt8WJ8UkdFRC_OQR_xZCTvP5IkWdfb9GA92FBj4XgSSfNDSEnTRQd26ilP12NjBJK3xciEh5ji60hU.SyVqsmpJS8LeXIWlpg-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:53:43 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46D2F628.9000909@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <671859.87303.qm@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 864ad221-741f-444f-b7bf-862719649210 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D31EEE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 15:27:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJR6uD012311 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:27:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RJR7os006991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:27:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RJPf9E025069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJPYuZ068851; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJPJ8U068583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.157] (209-148-118-157.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.157]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l7RJPHs0029767 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:25:17 -0700 Message-ID: <46D3251F.6070701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:25:19 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights References: <671859.87303.qm@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <671859.87303.qm@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3da66c73-5c56-471d-ac48-57fdeabbecd4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D3258B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:27:11 -0400 (EDT) As most countries have agreed to respect each others' copyright laws, you cannot legally violate the copyright of someone in a foreign country. Fran Kimiko Small wrote: > It may also be that as a foreign artist, he may be > working under different copyright laws than we in the > US are familiar with. > > Kimiko > > --- Lavolta Press wrote: > > >>Personally, I think you should tell them, and then >>leave it up to them >>whether to do anything about it. But otherwise, >>with this being a >>foreign artist, they may not know. >> >>Fran > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 15:31:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJVGLt012474 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:31:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RJVAIE019446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:31:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RJUbMJ026035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJULfh075005; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7RJRlo4071747 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sismith42@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35575 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2007 19:27:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=k+G9zyPisVF7SXyQBdeKZZyHT1cXnoRd7fVBO5a/58fXxKVlgHwMtAs7xjOcbvO4iaP9zcXfLBMVfdkAGjgQItWpyxw957XYROCXyGHG+M5/c2DAnZcqR+GIsgPyIhu3Fv57coyE2NuyrqcbTCdpuYqNRr0HY7nrKR+nfrF+lEM=; X-YMail-OSG: _Ml3.ZQVM1nbfciLyRVbWPeb7P.7Hr3kBlOMEv4gSy3b1xkH6gRavDHWMrQUPaR7bpzblvGJJiUOrSSlD5twm9RbEN9bylhnax7F_wtEAPCBnYlbIxrO_1A5WDmGzA-- Received: from [77.99.98.217] by web32103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:27:41 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephanie Smith To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200708271801.l7RI0ldm064269@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <63641.88304.qm@web32103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] reporting copyright violations (Digest, Vol 6, Issue 398) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2e2b1ae-7341-4416-88a5-83b455ab9072 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D3267E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Nothing is stoping ANYONE on this list from taking the trouble to contact the Metropolitan Museum and letting them know that there might be derrivative work going on, since ALL of us now know about the potential violation... If Bjorn isn't that fussed by it (and if I'm not) that's our own problem. Fran, it almost sounds like YOU ought to be one of the ones to take the inititive, since it's something you appear to feel strongly about. And if it isn't, then may I ask why you're telling someone else that they should bother? On a related topic: if an oil painting of a costume in an exhibit is a derivative work and a copyright violation, is a costume based on a painting (or other media)? Most historical ones are probably sufficiently well known that we're ok, but what if someone wanted to, say, make a costume based off a portrait/photo of, say, one of the (American) First Lady's Inaguration Gown? Steph > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:04:56 -0700 > From: Lavolta Press > Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <46D2F628.9000909@lavoltapress.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; > format=flowed > > Personally, I think you should tell them, and then > leave it up to them > whether to do anything about it. But otherwise, > with this being a > foreign artist, they may not know. > > Fran > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > Dear Fran, > > I am not conserned about the matter, i was just > curious about if this > > was legally ok to do. > > > > Bjarne ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 15:32:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJWFiO012499 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:32:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RJWGO3007826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:32:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RJVHAk026203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJVBq5076094; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJV3oJ075807 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EF2FD33F for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:30:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46D326A6.4010803@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:31:50 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights References: <671859.87303.qm@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <671859.87303.qm@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4aab7640-c380-4f3c-89d1-41a3182b0dfe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D326C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Kimiko Small wrote: > It may also be that as a foreign artist, he may be > working under different copyright laws than we in the > US are familiar with. > All of Europe is signatory to the Berne Convention. Most of the world is actually. Notable exceptions are Iran, Iraq, Burma, Laos and Cambodia, Ethiopia and Somalia, and Taiwan -- a major source DVD piracy. He may be working under the *impression* that the laws are different over there, but they are not. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 15:40:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJeK0e012885 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:40:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RJeLrm002466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:40:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RJdegR027358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:39:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJdMFb084972; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7RJXvfF078729 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 97978 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2007 19:33:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0t_udGEVM1k0yOb__rs0Op9OugwdNZal9EiCgtc.20.RaLTJnGZ.x2gQJhemQU84IO8H38qJP7c7_nX03p0utjQOYrXnHYfhXagqxXjSqGgei_1kUQ-- Received: from [81.152.19.111] by web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:33:34 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Luttrell psalter in motion To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <682633.96726.qm@web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68b93a36-e9ec-4dea-a9fc-bf1638a864e7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D328A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Curiously enough... the woman who is costuming this project just bought two pairs of poulaines from me. :) Teena Saragrace Knauf wrote: http://www.luttrellpsalter.org.uk/ This is forwarded from another list, but I thought some of you might appreciate it. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 16:00:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RK0GU7013812 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:00:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RK0HS7023513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RJv8CX030431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:57:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJv2OP006137; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:57:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7RJuuJQ005992 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200708271956.l7RJuuJQ005992@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 2523 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2007 12:56:53 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2062, pid: 2476, t: 8.5677s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 12:56:45 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:53:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Luttrell psalter in motion In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85e42de1-e416-420f-9762-a177d7020a80 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D32D51.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:00:21 -0400 (EDT) At 12:09 PM 8/27/2007, you wrote: > http://www.luttrellpsalter.org.uk/ > >This is forwarded from another list, but I thought some of you might >appreciate it. > >Sg For some reason your original link was doubled, so I edited it in this reply. What a wonderful project! I really liked the sheep milking scene. Thank you for sending this link. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 16:27:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RKRdee014915 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:27:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RKRe7k002855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:27:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RKQPCR035620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:26:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RKQJnk040803; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RKQ9QM040606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.157] (209-148-118-157.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.157]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l7RKQ6HM026453 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:26:07 -0700 Message-ID: <46D33361.3020903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:26:09 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] reporting copyright violations (Digest, Vol 6, Issue 398) References: <63641.88304.qm@web32103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <63641.88304.qm@web32103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f875f14-32fb-4b79-a14a-3180ef5ee31d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D333BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:27:43 -0400 (EDT) > Fran, it almost sounds like YOU ought to be one of the > ones to take the inititive, since it's something you > appear to feel strongly about. And if it isn't, then > may I ask why you're telling someone else that they > should bother? I have missed messages in this thread because I have Bjarne in my spam filter list, which routes all messages with "Bjarne" in the body of the email to my trash folder. I usually only see his messages when quoted in other people's emails, and then only by accident. Therefore, I do not know who the artist is, where the exhibition is, and so forth. It is useless to contact the Met saying, "I think some painter somewhere in Scandanavia is violating your copyrights, but I don't know what their name is, or at what museum or gallery the violating works are exhibited." I do not even have any information as to whether any of these works are on a website, or whether Bjarne saw them in person somewhere. The Met needs information that will enable them to contact the artist. Normally, whenever I run across a copyright violation I DO immediately report it to the copyright owner. As Bjarne has the necessary contact information, I thought it best that he do it. Why do you find it objectionable that I suggest that Bjarne, who has the most information, should do this? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 17:07:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RL7mes016166 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:07:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RL7nBW012575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:07:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RL6UXG047711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RL6DCv092383; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RJiu8U091847 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c04.1c9ae84e (30739) for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:44:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] copy rights To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f662f6ae-7183-4593-bfde-2ee1e777e77d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D33D25.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:07:53 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/27/2007 3:30:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > It may also be that as a foreign artist **************** Is he an artist? I mean, it looks like bad paint-by-number of someone else's photos... of someone else's display of someone else's handiwork. At least when Andy Warhol did Campbell Soup cans and Roy Lichtenstein did comic book images, there was a point. Of course the quality has nothing to do with copyright laws ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 17:25:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLPNBY016893 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:25:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RLPOlL027276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:25:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RLKDuB051358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:20:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLJNbf009763; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7RJvJwL006363 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28035 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2007 19:57:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VFTRs71sIEhroyGDup73witr+CgQCurIHkY3O8/YqKheneyPkH97NSf36aZzFGCCaAHcDVk9WRZzbhFQ1T215jViyuDHsHpk7pzX2kjhMtYW9aSgmh74jLpsHOVkJcTo3ZGDHWXH8pBW1N6duUBWC02EdCZ2Ku+eeHrUKACOskg=; X-YMail-OSG: boYr0TYVM1kl3_XpZzmqcck00yA1jDLuzrdO2kYGaEH9zL0tQO2izHwq7DdOrOR7rDJG6nCORIPZ4l9182u10bPAOX7e1S63DcDcRViY5oYkvHTPxJ8- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:57:13 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] last embroidery To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <807724.27841.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ac65bbd-1fb9-472e-8564-71251d5e1c39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D34144.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Yet again this work just takes my breath away. I'm just continually in awe, Bjarne. MaggiRos --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Aside from it's beauty, I amazed at the speed at > which you work! Wow! > It is beautiful! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bjarne og Leif > Drews > To: > h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:26 AM > Subject: [h-cost] last embroidery > > > > Hurray! Now i have compleated all the embroidery > for the jacket of the > silver spangeled suit. > This has ben a lot of work, with moments of > dispare and solitude. > 10 years ago i baught these flower spangels with > the leaves in Beak Street, > London, and had no idea, i would use it for such a > slow and tedious work. I > am glad i baught them, and really pleased with the > result. > Jacket is not sewed finnished yeat, but i just > finnished the last embroidery > on the second pocket flap................ > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 17:35:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLZjcL017574 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:35:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RLZj7a006750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:35:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RLZBhj057970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:35:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLYnIC030918; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from captain.concentric.com (captain.concentric.com [207.155.252.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLY2Sj029827 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by captain.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 6598E79F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.253.154) with Concentric Web Mail; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: , Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200708251800.l7PI03Y3073141@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 597108e3-794d-449c-9ce9-f6882e265431 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D343B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:35:49 -0400 (EDT) My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't have = to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. She's supposed to= be the widow of a Chinese trader in spices, silks & opium visiting the Spa= nish court. I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat patterns. Now I'm loo= king for some embroidery and/or applique details. An image search turned u= p some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying to find sketches or s= chematics of decorative facings and embroidery that are usable to someone w= ho doesn't draw. I've been begging hubby to draw some of the details off t= he museum photos for me but nothing so far. Any leads? Thanks in advance. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 17:51:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLpZRt018161 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:51:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RLpau1026383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:51:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RLoqKt061642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLoZGQ049162; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLoCY1048332 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.180] (sjs-130-65-37-180.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.180]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RLn9rO010407 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> References: <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <65A94EF3-9A67-4C87-91A4-646BB3CBBBD0@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:49:01 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a63af483-27b1-4093-9744-229daafc06e2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D34768.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:51:40 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 27, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Julie wrote: > My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We > don't have to be particularly authentic, just recognizably > Chinese. She's supposed to be the widow of a Chinese trader in > spices, silks & opium visiting the Spanish court. It'll be a smidge expensive on the used/rare book market, but find a copy of "5000 years of Chinese Costume." It's the most comprehensive resource I've ever found on Chinese clothing. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 17:59:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLxxOQ018868 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:59:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RLxxaG012930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:00:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RLvVjj063924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:59:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLZcun031874; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from captain.concentric.com (captain.concentric.com [207.155.252.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RLY2xx029828 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by captain.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 6598E79F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.253.154) with Concentric Web Mail; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: , Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200708251800.l7PI03Y3073141@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2580408-c915-4183-afec-97e27c24f5ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D34960.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 18:22:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RMMtib019921 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:22:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RMMuhI000609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:22:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RMLWhA072724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RMLMLC089329; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RML6Mx088781 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E38FD3CC for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:20:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46D34E7C.7000706@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:21:48 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help References: <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60410f3e-1dff-44bf-89ad-e64aa7995d9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D34EC0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Julie wrote: > My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't have to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. I know Dover books has a couple on Chinese designs. They are cheap and readily available through most bookstores. It's all black and white line drawings and easy to reproduce, and permission is given with each purchased book to do so. Joann's is advertising brocade on sale for $5.99 this week. You might be able to cut strips of that and use it as edging on something. I'm not sure using poly brocade for the whole dress is a good idea this time of year. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 18:42:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RMgjJE020511 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:42:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7RMgkoT003513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:42:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7RMg6Y2081640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7RMfxUJ017363; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7RMftmj017163 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29845 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2007 22:41:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2XakdxrAbwGHpW7l3ciX7Hqqa74VrUQjdQZpg9Nsijs7brVeh5Mx/3+fF+gJ3x0ksC6vVA0JZ+ZLvTe2AcUihV2eDcCfPIRPLu6Z8xMvIKQmbw/TlsSlxhc0PrO/lxUppDQ5yzBr8h32B2+3PRwApRkcakUD21kxG4zOH57XryM=; X-YMail-OSG: Yd826nYVM1kP_kA0CWT.TcK5sCdJQQtiugXKlPEvluViYbxpvuLhjZ5Q21Nhz9KDkvVqzYt8fuTMWmiQO9TQ_7zaIRAgBZB7qVzOuV4pdhwDzRsLJaTGMSFHcwGtQF4dy5zg5EJLkzCBsuWyH.fYggJ9dg-- Received: from [69.183.176.68] by web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:41:50 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <239968.29016.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 149648d1-0e4c-45a3-bee6-0b27007b2ab4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D35366.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:42:49 -0400 (EDT) --- Julie wrote: > I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat > patterns. Now I'm looking for some embroidery > and/or applique details. An image search turned up > some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying > to find sketches or schematics of decorative facings > and embroidery that are usable to someone who > doesn't draw. I've been begging hubby to draw some > of the details off the museum photos for me but > nothing so far. > > Julie The cheongsam, while a truly lovely garment, was developed in Shanghai around 1930 from an earlier and looser coat/robe garment (rather like this men's garment (center one) from the late nineteenth century in Max Tilke: ). This information only brings you back to the nineteenth century, though. sorry. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 20:34:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S0Y3lZ025612 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:34:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7S0Y4Nq023109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:34:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7S0WUI6010225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S0WOZM031743; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S0WKHm031665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l7S0WGFW013135 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:32:19 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53581.72.13.239.193.1188261866.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <63641.88304.qm@web32103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200708271801.l7RI0ldm064269@net.indra.com> <63641.88304.qm@web32103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] reporting copyright violations From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7306c44c-ff17-46dd-bddc-1bf32e734e5d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D36D7C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:34:08 -0400 (EDT) > Nothing is stoping ANYONE on this list from taking the > trouble to contact the Metropolitan Museum and letting > them know that there might be derrivative work going > on, since ALL of us now know about the potential > violation... I tend to approach the potential violater first — if someone is using images on their web page that were scanned from a book, for example. There are a lot of people who are unaware of the laws, or just don't think about it. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 22:56:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S2u1He032752 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:56:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7S2u1RP019347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:56:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7S2tRrC037808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S2tCYr060776; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:55:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S2t9Rq060654 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:55:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2002CFD444 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:55:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46D38EBE.4080406@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:55:58 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f1a9c7b-655a-4cf8-997a-f8b19a3134d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D38EC1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:56:05 -0400 (EDT) I've got a very dark blue linen that I'd like to make a 16th century dress out of. However, it's very very dark, nearly black, and I'd like to lighten it a bit. Fade it, even. I washed a test piece and some color came out in the water, but did not noticeably lighten the fabric. I think this was excess dye. I soaked a test piece in a very weak bleach solution and the fabric turned a chocolate brown color. Nice, but not what I wanted. And even then, it has dark blue dye spots all over it. I suspect that dye remover will get me the same result. Does anyone know of another method I could use for getting a more faded blue out of this? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 23:10:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S3AEkR001351 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:10:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7S3AFxo025064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7S39tpi039929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S39sfg074168; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.142]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S39pqt073994 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.27]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:09:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:09:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.66.29 by BAY133-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:09:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.66.29] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46D38EBE.4080406@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:07:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:07:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 03:09:45.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2B81A90:01C7E920] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0ccafdf-60ad-4c16-9dd2-a531e1b6b712 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D39217.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Dawn, I would contact Dharmatrading company. They are very helpful. = http://www.dharmatrading.com/ They can recommend the best color remover for linen and they probably = sell it too! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dawn=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes I've got a very dark blue linen that I'd like to make a 16th century=20 dress out of. However, it's very very dark, nearly black, and I'd like = to lighten it a bit. Fade it, even. I washed a test piece and some color came out in the water, but did = not=20 noticeably lighten the fabric. I think this was excess dye. I soaked a test piece in a very weak bleach solution and the fabric=20 turned a chocolate brown color. Nice, but not what I wanted. And even=20 then, it has dark blue dye spots all over it. I suspect that dye remover will get me the same result. Does anyone know of another method I could use for getting a more = faded=20 blue out of this? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 23:10:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S3AHVl001357 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:10:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7S3AIAM007683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:10:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7S39l8t039867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S39jSn073991; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S39gkF073854 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070828030936014000a4k2e>; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:09:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <46D38EBE.4080406@reddawn.net> References: <46D38EBE.4080406@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:09:35 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 476bbbce-5ec8-4011-99ca-2d3edc0dd58e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D3921A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:10:22 -0400 (EDT) I don't think it's possible. Usually when you bleach dyed fabric, it turns a different color. Only thing to do is to bleach the hell out of it and then overdye it. If you do that, however, you run the risk of damaging the fabric. You should buy some Antichlor to remove the excess bleach. You could try another lightening agent, like hydrosulfite, but I suspect it will do the same thing. Sylrog On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Dawn wrote: > I've got a very dark blue linen that I'd like to make a 16th century > dress out of. However, it's very very dark, nearly black, and I'd like > to lighten it a bit. Fade it, even. > > I washed a test piece and some color came out in the water, but did > not noticeably lighten the fabric. I think this was excess dye. > > I soaked a test piece in a very weak bleach solution and the fabric > turned a chocolate brown color. Nice, but not what I wanted. And even > then, it has dark blue dye spots all over it. > > I suspect that dye remover will get me the same result. > > > Does anyone know of another method I could use for getting a more > faded blue out of this? > > > > Dawn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Aug 27 23:40:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S3eMJO003144 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:40:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7S3eNAB020216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7S3dQA1044089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:39:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S3dNfl099936; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S3dKxT099806 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070828033915.YRPX20760.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:39:15 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id hFfE1X00D3Dnkwc0000000; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:39:14 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01c7e924$ffe80a40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <46D38EBE.4080406@reddawn.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f35230e-f687-48cb-9897-7844a6d6eb28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D39927.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Long, long ago, before I understood the finer points of historical accuracy in fabrics, I once had a lovely piece of heavy darkdark blue linen. It was soooo nice, so I made my very first all-hand-sewn kirtle out of it. I wore it for a year or so and was very happy. Then I learned some stuff and I realized that I really shouldn't have such a darkdark blue linen gown. So I endeavored to lighten it. Should be easy peasy, or so I thought in my still-not-quite-educated mind. I put the dress into the washer with a couple of boxes of color remover. I followed the directions to a T, and I waited. And waited. And, waited some more. Finally after a full day and night of nothing happening to the color, I rinsed it out. Bleach I thought, I bet bleach would do the trick. So, I carefully mixed the bleach into the washer water and added the still damp dress. And I waited and watched. Nothing happened. Nothing at all. So, I kept at this all day- a whole second day of futzing around with this dress- and the color didn't budge. By evening I was pretty much over this dress so I left it in the washer over night. In the words of the great Hagrid- I "Prolly shouldna done that". Next morning the dress was a gawdawful splotchy gray. It looked like it had been wadded up while wet and left to mildew. Gack! What to do? Two boxes of Rit dye, of course! Now my dress was a mauve-elous color, and not too splotchy looking either. Ta da! Or so I thought, in my still-not-very-smart-but-about-to-get-a-clue brain. I wore the dress to an event. It was hot, so I pulled at the front of the neckline to get a little air. RIIIIIIPP went the neckline. A few minutes later, RIIIIIP went the elbows! Crap! I'm disintegrating in front of the whole herd of people! Thank goodness I had an apron dress on, or else I'da been very nervous indeed. Now, because I hand sewed each and every stitch in that dress, and then went over every seam with a contrasting herringbone stitch, I was not about to give up so easily! I cut off the top and made a linen Viking apron dress out of it. It doesn't have any stress on it anywhere so it's held up pretty good, even 6+ years later. I do not at all recommend trying to remove darkdark blue dye from linen. YMMV, but don't count on it! ::Linda:: On Behalf Of Dawn Subject: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes I've got a very dark blue linen that I'd like to make a 16th century dress out of. However, it's very very dark, nearly black, and I'd like to lighten it a bit. Fade it, even. I washed a test piece and some color came out in the water, but did not noticeably lighten the fabric. I think this was excess dye. I soaked a test piece in a very weak bleach solution and the fabric turned a chocolate brown color. Nice, but not what I wanted. And even then, it has dark blue dye spots all over it. I suspect that dye remover will get me the same result. Does anyone know of another method I could use for getting a more faded blue out of this? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 00:17:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S4HHAw004959 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:17:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7S4HEGl024098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:17:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7S4G3lJ048779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S4FtLb032073; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S4FeW9031815 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=CnlmB24a4YstVbPZ4DpWQMzAvfX5KwSRNnNbgMaVNs12JXh1l3Q6KImZoPpLFzSX; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IPsUI-0005WE-RK for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:15:35 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070827230811.04245eb0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:13:50 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e535332c537dfa4e54a5d5b2d3923c0ab0b8217ae3493b0c6fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for picture link X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e789dd51-5175-4456-88b7-263a9a0438a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D3A1CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Hello, all, IIRC sometime in the last 2 months or so, someone posted a bunch of links to various Elizabethan-era portraits. One of them (which may or may not have been actually Elizabeth I) showed a very large standing collar - not quite a ruff, but definitely higher than the top of the head. Something you would need the supportasse from h**l to hold up. And now I can't find it when I need it. Does this sound familiar to anyone? If it does, can you re-post the link, please? I'm building a fantasy-oriented Elizabethan, and that large collar is exactly the look I want - I just can't find an image in any of my books and I can't seem to explain it to hubby so he can visualize it. TIA, Sandy (who hopes that this will teach her to bookmark stuff she likes immediately!!) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 04:08:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S88OM4012694 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:08:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7S88OC0011223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:08:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7S86qkP003187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S86kdB037697; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7S86hPb037563 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 22842 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2007 08:06:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .mkC5_cVM1kdjGjgK.rZrpGkEThJ7kksF7uo8Fh.JiD8FsgQamh_8OieG4GNQLJGuUt89PVX81J7ze5ijnQCqZWlPY7UOU31KKqUsQiYmDcN51utZA-- Received: from [81.152.19.111] by web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:06:38 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for picture link To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070827230811.04245eb0@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <215598.19499.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07e1e661-ea5d-4bb0-ac63-aaa8a877fddf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D3D7F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:08:29 -0400 (EDT) I found these, but not sure if any of them are the exact one you want: http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/lizbrydges.JPG http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/elizabethrainbow1.jpg larger scan of above: http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/rainbowlarger.jpg http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/elizabethditchley.jpg http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/elizabethhardwick.jpg Hope this helps. :) Teena Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: Hello, all, IIRC sometime in the last 2 months or so, someone posted a bunch of links to various Elizabethan-era portraits. One of them (which may or may not have been actually Elizabeth I) showed a very large standing collar - not quite a ruff, but definitely higher than the top of the head. Something you would need the supportasse from h**l to hold up. And now I can't find it when I need it. Does this sound familiar to anyone? If it does, can you re-post the link, please? I'm building a fantasy-oriented Elizabethan, and that large collar is exactly the look I want - I just can't find an image in any of my books and I can't seem to explain it to hubby so he can visualize it. TIA, Sandy (who hopes that this will teach her to bookmark stuff she likes immediately!!) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 08:32:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SCWGxn011196 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:32:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SCWHXZ020063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SCUT3d058500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SCUOQn099294; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SCUJie099218 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1410527175 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:30:14 -0500 Message-ID: <009101c7e96f$2ebe17c0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <215598.19499.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for picture link Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:30:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e283b002-00c0-4028-8135-33860e575954 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D415D1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Yuck! What is the story behind the eyeballs and ears all over this dress? The snake on her arm interesting, but what is the significance? ~Denise B http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/rainbowlarger.jpg >I found these, but not sure if any of them are the exact one you want: > > http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/elizabethrainbow1.jpg > larger scan of above: > http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/rainbowlarger.jpg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 09:42:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SDgdod013484 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:42:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SDgdvZ026223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SDfF0Z073170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SDfAsO068739; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.america.net (qsmtp4.america.net [69.60.160.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SDf7Bi068682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200708281341.l7SDf7Bi068682@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.164] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp4.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IQ1Ja-00062H-2j for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:41:06 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:40:46 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help In-Reply-To: <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> References: <200708251800.l7PI03Y3073141@net.indra.com> <20070827213345.6598E79F@captain.concentric.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89d5c5cb-1992-41ce-9166-24f863dc31bd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D4264F.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:42:43 -0400 (EDT) At 04:33 PM 8/27/2007, you wrote: >My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We >don't have to be particularly authentic, just recognizably >Chinese. She's supposed to be the widow of a Chinese trader in >spices, silks & opium visiting the Spanish court. > >I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat patterns. Now >I'm looking for some embroidery and/or applique details. An image >search turned up some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying >to find sketches or schematics of decorative facings and embroidery >that are usable to someone who doesn't draw. I've been begging >hubby to draw some of the details off the museum photos for me but >nothing so far. > >Any leads? Thanks in advance. >Julie I can't help as much as I'd like, I have a Tang persona, and don't know much about the Ming, but here are a few links to start you on your search. Honestly, the earlier costumes are easier to make than the cheongsam. Definitely get the 5000 Years book. It is not infallible, but a great start. Good Luck, Genie A few references: http://www.marlamallett.com/ref-chinese.htm There is one Ming costume here: http://www2.bc.edu/~zhaoyj/dynastycustum.html A bit of costume history with a picture (from 5000 Years of Chinese Costume) from the Ming dynasty: http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/index.php?news=1342 http://www.chinavoc.com.cn/ChineseCulture/ShowArticle.aspx?Id=9278 Time line of Chinese History" http://www-chaos.umd.edu/history/time_line.html Some extant embroidery: http://www.asianart.com/textiles/textile.html History of Chinese Embroidery: http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/arts/embroidery.htm Tomb figurines: http://home.planet.nl/~claes027/tomb_figurines/tomb_figurines.htm Lots of women stories here: http://www.members.tripod.com/~journeyeast/history.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 10:21:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEL4a8014876 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:21:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SEL24F023945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:21:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SEJ72J078404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEJ0gc008313; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEIugN008121 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from picmajik@bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <200708281418.l7SEIugN008121@net.indra.com> Received: from mail.bellsouth.net (imf90aec-pub.mail.bellsouth.net[205.152.58.140]) by bellsouth.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20070828141850H0400brcgje>; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:18:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.152.58.140] X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [167.230.38.116] From: To: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 9:18:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wedding dress price in 57 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 203cd90f-2b34-4323-8c8b-017f915f9f3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D42F4E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:21:08 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/21/2007 9:00:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ckinsey@kumc.edu writes: Would anyone know of a resource for finding the prices of things in 1957? My mom married in 1959 with 11 days notice--her mom was not pleased but they managed to put together a wedding that fast. My dad had proposed before returning to school that fall semester and she wanted to go back to New Orleans with him instead of staying in Panama City, Florida. I think she paid @ $50 for her dress but I did send her an email asking for the dress price and other general expenses to help give you a rough idea. In general you can also go through microfilms of old newspapers that would have been promoting wedding items, especially the May-June issues that may have had special sections to help plan a wedding and budget guidelines. As soon as I get my email back I'll post it for you. Good luck! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 10:40:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEeM4g015610 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:40:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SEeN5M026213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SEYAa4081130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEY7h5026922; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:34:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7S42j0P020685 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D1CFD450 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46D39E97.5030801@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:03:35 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes References: <005f01c7e924$ffe80a40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> In-Reply-To: <005f01c7e924$ffe80a40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3b8aefb-036c-4d2d-9699-fde611659ded X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D433D7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) > > I do not at all recommend trying to remove darkdark blue dye from linen. > YMMV, but don't count on it! > Oh yes, you're so right, soaking it in bleach overnight is not a good idea, as you illustrated. And it doesn't seem I'd get the color I wanted anyway. I've found two paintings of women in dark blue dresses of the style I want to make, so I'm not worried about the color being wrong, it's just a personal preference. I'm wondering if staking it out on the grass for a week under our blistering summer sun would do it.... or if I'd just get mildew and bugs. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 10:48:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEm1w8015845 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:48:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SEm24L010606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:48:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SEkaaN083706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:46:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEkWgS044086; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:46:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEkRUq043834 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2847EFD5DE for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:46:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46D43579.30601@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:47:21 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for picture link References: <215598.19499.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <009101c7e96f$2ebe17c0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <009101c7e96f$2ebe17c0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 020692c4-0c34-448e-a444-3e0b747cf682 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D435A2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Land of Oz wrote: > Yuck! What is the story behind the eyeballs and ears all over this > dress? The snake on her arm interesting, but what is the significance? > ~Denise B > http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/rainbowlarger.jpg > "Reason or Interest of State', or perhaps 'The Art of Government': 'She is represented in a garment of turquoise woven with eyes and ears to symbolise her jealous hold over her dominion, and her desire to have the eyes and ears of spies, the better to judge her own plans and foil those of others'. " -- Janet Arnold, _Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd_ The snake appears to have been a piece of jewelery, and is mentioned in the wardrobe accounts. It also appears in a portrait of an unknown lady dated after the Queen's death, Arnold surmises it was given away. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 10:56:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEujpQ016139 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:56:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SEukkv021683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:56:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SEtl0n085250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEtiVP055048; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SEtc6P054914 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1410660511 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:55:38 -0500 Message-ID: <019501c7e983$7f0351a0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005f01c7e924$ffe80a40$6501a8c0@VMAA1> <46D39E97.5030801@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff12612e-0b90-498e-8634-9b82ab622d2b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D437AE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:56:50 -0400 (EDT) > I'm wondering if staking it out on the grass for a week under our > blistering summer sun would do it.... or if I'd just get mildew and bugs. > :) That would work in theory -- but not staked on the grass. If you elevated it above the ground you would avoid the bugs and mildew. However, you couldn't guarantee that the piece would fade evenly, or that it would fade into a color you liked. It wouldn't necessarily just be lighter, it might go slightly green or purple or grey or ??? depending on the original dye. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 11:46:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SFk6Oq017964 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:46:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SFk7qJ021040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SFiXgt094039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SFhwnd011771; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.113]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SFhqso011521 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:43:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.40]) by bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:43:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:43:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.32.30] X-Originating-Email: [morvren@hotmail.com] X-Sender: morvren@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Maureen Conklin" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:43:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 15:43:44.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[373AD670:01C7E98A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves again (sort of) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdbcaa32-076c-4c30-b684-df831cbd1451 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D4433F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:46:11 -0400 (EDT) I am working on a wedding gown with raglan sleeves; the neckline looks like some of the examples cited within the past week. So, I'm wondering what to do when you love the look, but are worried about the sleeves sliding too far off the shoulders. Would you narrow the top of the sleeve (that makes up the over-the- shoulder part of the neckline)? This is a modern-style dress with simple princess lines, done in silk matelasse underlined with silk organza. Thanks a million. ~ Maureen ================== ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 12:12:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SGCFjn018787 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:12:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SGCGbW027453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:12:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SG9j5H098450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SG9Xw0041475; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SG9Oa4041285 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 107512E82F1 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:58:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 95F962E8270 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:58:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03938 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:09:16 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for picture link Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:09:09 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46D43579.30601@reddawn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Looking for picture link Thread-Index: AcfpglHTpbgmaqR/Samy98N0JQ/9JQACj2Ug References: <215598.19499.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><009101c7e96f$2ebe17c0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <46D43579.30601@reddawn.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a33c2ae-1936-45c3-b819-8fb6d0fb0a47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D44960.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:12:20 -0400 (EDT) It could also show that she is all-seeing, all-hearing. This could be seen as being ever-watchful, ever protective of her realm and its people. Elizabeth I once stated "I see, but am silent" and in her "Golden Speech" before Parliament, near the end of her reign, confessed that England may have had better rulers, but never one who loved her people more. It was probably having the memories of both her father's and elder sister's matramonial trials always in her mind the reason she never married--as she once said that she was married to England, indicating her coronation ring. I'm not quite sure of the significance of the snake--but the fact that it curls around her arm--rather like the serpent around a physician's caudecus, might not be as sinister a symbol as we might interpret it to be. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:47 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for picture link Land of Oz wrote: > Yuck! What is the story behind the eyeballs and ears all over this=20 > dress? The snake on her arm interesting, but what is the significance? > ~Denise B > http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/rainbowlarger.jpg >=20 "Reason or Interest of State', or perhaps 'The Art of Government': 'She=20 is represented in a garment of turquoise woven with eyes and ears to=20 symbolise her jealous hold over her dominion, and her desire to have the eyes and ears of spies, the better to judge her own plans and foil those of others'. " -- Janet Arnold, _Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd_ The snake appears to have been a piece of jewelery, and is mentioned in=20 the wardrobe accounts. It also appears in a portrait of an unknown lady=20 dated after the Queen's death, Arnold surmises it was given away. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 13:17:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SHHq1g020954 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:17:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SHHqFt016171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:17:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SHEhZ7014961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:14:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SHCB5p019191; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:12:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7SHBXH9018075 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200708281711.l7SHBXH9018075@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 25658 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2007 10:11:23 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 24512, pid: 25595, t: 6.4339s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_05, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 28 Aug 2007 10:11:17 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:07:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for picture link In-Reply-To: References: <215598.19499.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <009101c7e96f$2ebe17c0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <46D43579.30601@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 747e385c-423e-4d21-9cd1-9e2659ca7a19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D458C0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:17:56 -0400 (EDT) At 09:09 AM 8/28/2007, you wrote: > It could also show that she is all-seeing, all-hearing. This could be >seen as being ever-watchful, ever protective of her realm and its >people. Elizabeth I once stated "I see, but am silent" and in her >"Golden Speech" before Parliament, near the end of her reign, confessed >that England may have had better rulers, but never one who loved her >people more. It was probably having the memories of both her father's >and elder sister's matramonial trials always in her mind the reason she >never married--as she once said that she was married to England, >indicating her coronation ring. > >I'm not quite sure of the significance of the snake--but the fact that >it curls around her arm--rather like the serpent around a physician's >caudecus, might not be as sinister a symbol as we might interpret it to >be. > >Cindy Abel A snake is also a sign of wisdom. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 13:50:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SHodAO022167 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:50:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SHoekd006160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:50:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SHnQlS025722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SHmPxu067656; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:48:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7SHmEY8067256 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:48:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42097 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2007 17:48:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MgrunBDmQjFAMby/TSYzyxvlJ8P823+5CRk6H+zVNUukOWxeJF3h5R8OrbHYoRz1gX/0XQA1GoQ/SzHc+gyjVqMEQg8s1nAyIY6+cBCD/soojBS4O8AJGwSLLTjtK58GCESfStSDt0n7NZ+zeBzZStzVVERxiSEZOP4rmJXNO7U=; X-YMail-OSG: 0P4NDNYVM1mblDdQwKSyOm3fCp.i2_AuPA2TZPGWL3i8oTz1yaw7Sisntlzi4DlyWGmT2peDaCeR_9ALhu8adUsbpQ95DwZDmOP7C4xi81PkGl9kth8- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:48:00 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0708201229rda2b9c7x2b2b179f931e947a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <490353.41497.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d3f9336-f83a-4cff-b5fa-f9967f1ffb60 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D46070.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It will be held in > public next year - I'm > > trying to put a proposal together. > > > > Thanks, Aylwen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 14:07:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SI7OM1022731 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:07:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SI7PoC015708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SI55M0032015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SI4wdF089455; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1011.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1011.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7SI4NSF088455 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:04:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 343 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2007 18:04:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GzgLxQoVM1loCd6U7SiIwyUBSN53Xo3YzQ82xAEw8zwBlLp_HsCflouEd6BxVIHE0OgBy2aM8ESYI.CWoT9u8XFCtLtxVqgytcw8pJrvjt3PSwtwnQ-- Received: from [81.152.19.111] by web1011.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:04:08 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves again (sort of) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <579541.98626.qm@web1011.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ecad1c0-dfab-4f65-8fff-2eea113828c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D4645D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) I would raise the back of the neckline so that the sleeves were less likely to fall. From my experience, tighter sleeve tops doesn't always help. Good luck. :) Teena Maureen Conklin wrote: I am working on a wedding gown with raglan sleeves; the neckline looks like some of the examples cited within the past week. So, I'm wondering what to do when you love the look, but are worried about the sleeves sliding too far off the shoulders. Would you narrow the top of the sleeve (that makes up the over-the- shoulder part of the neckline)? This is a modern-style dress with simple princess lines, done in silk matelasse underlined with silk organza. Thanks a million. ~ Maureen ================== ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 14:56:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SIuJWS024170 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:56:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SIuEg7027355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:56:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SIrSTY045798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SIqehM051142; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SIqHxt050505 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.49]) by bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:52:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:52:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:52:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.211.172.129] X-Originating-Email: [morvren@hotmail.com] X-Sender: morvren@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <579541.98626.qm@web1011.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> From: "Maureen Conklin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves again (sort of) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:52:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 18:52:09.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[89B61B70:01C7E9A4] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2110ad38-536a-431f-a337-f81e1ac38761 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D46FCF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Thank you. I still can't decide if the sleeves are really falling down, or if it just feels that way. :) Any other suggestions are welcome, too. Thanks. ~ M. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Beteena Paradise Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves again (sort of) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:04:08 -0700 (PDT) I would raise the back of the neckline so that the sleeves were less likely to fall. From my experience, tighter sleeve tops doesn't always help. Good luck. :) Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 15:02:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SJ2Dgd024354 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:02:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SJ2EqC004351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:02:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SIuEUt046720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SItiHw055224; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:55:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SImULA045642 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070828184820.YFXR6119.fep34.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:48:20 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.30]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070828184819.TMG12123.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:48:19 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c7e9a4$08c735d0$1ee73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:48:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.63.231.30] at Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:48:18 +0200 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costume site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: b7ba7182-593a-4f76-a687-7c52b8c5f7d9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D47136.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Hi, Someone on my live journal posted this link to an italian museum. I thoaght manny of you would like to see two, Click on the years, below the drawings........ http://www.abitiantichi.it/collezione.html Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 15:23:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SJN9Zh025182 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:23:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SJN9GG025766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:23:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SJMXMP056132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SJLXSB090926; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SJLIbw090478 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A5837B400A6; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:20:35 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <46D38EBE.4080406@reddawn.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:21:50 -0700 Message-ID: <005601c7e9a8$af1142b0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfpH0x/uQd6WHrCTaC3C4AQX44/DAAiM7Ew In-Reply-To: <46D38EBE.4080406@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0ebde18-2e54-4696-a102-5974e72f2ea6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D4761D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:23:13 -0400 (EDT) You could try soaking it (try small pieces first) in various different dye mordants-alum, salt, vinegar, etc. That may change the color. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes I've got a very dark blue linen that I'd like to make a 16th century dress out of. However, it's very very dark, nearly black, and I'd like to lighten it a bit. Fade it, even. I washed a test piece and some color came out in the water, but did not noticeably lighten the fabric. I think this was excess dye. I soaked a test piece in a very weak bleach solution and the fabric turned a chocolate brown color. Nice, but not what I wanted. And even then, it has dark blue dye spots all over it. I suspect that dye remover will get me the same result. Does anyone know of another method I could use for getting a more faded blue out of this? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 16:04:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SK4HRo026111 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:04:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SK4INF003891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:04:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SJv5Za070727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:57:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SJupCO038886; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SJui13038718 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.85.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.85]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IQ7B4-0004Fr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:56:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <579541.98626.qm@web1011.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <579541.98626.qm@web1011.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0F90B50A-63BC-474A-9E40-1DB85BEA2E1A@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves again (sort of) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:58:34 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a72cd123-aa72-4aef-a9e9-248c9ed4c60d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D47FC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:04:22 -0400 (EDT) If it's a modern dress, there should be no objection to sewing bra loops into the shoulder seam. They're very comforting when you need your mind to be on other things! Sew True in NYC www.sewtrue.com has pre-made ones, very narrow ribbon and tiny snaps, in black or white. I'm sure other tailoring supply places carry them too. I haven't noticed them in places like JoAnn's though. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Aug 28, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: > I would raise the back of the neckline so that the sleeves were > less likely to fall. From my experience, tighter sleeve tops > doesn't always help. Good luck. :) > > Teena > > Maureen Conklin wrote: > I am working on a wedding gown with > raglan sleeves; the neckline looks like > some of the examples cited within the > past week. So, I'm wondering what to > do when you love the look, but are worried > about the sleeves sliding too far off the > shoulders. Would you narrow the top of > the sleeve (that makes up the over-the- > shoulder part of the neckline)? This is a > modern-style dress with simple princess > lines, done in silk matelasse underlined with > silk organza. Thanks a million. > > ~ Maureen > > ================== > ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 18:34:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMYHPl030929 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:34:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SMYHwt026577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SMWwq5008111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMWoUh029575; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:32:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMWke1029433 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:32:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bbf.151170f2 (42805) for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:32:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5340f9c-55e4-4049-a389-aebca320d470 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D4A2E9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 18:47:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMlNxt031335 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:47:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SMlOVx017920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:47:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SMl1kN010207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMkxbT043987; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:47:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from centaur.concentric.com (centaur.concentric.com [207.155.249.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMktkI043916 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by centaur.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 163E33695; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.248.177) with Concentric Web Mail; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: , Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:46:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200708280032.l7S0WPqF031748@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20070828224655.163E33695@centaur.concentric.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7dd6888b-6870-430f-9743-0e877c17e705 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D4A5FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:47:28 -0400 (EDT) > My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't hav= e to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. She's supposed = to be the widow of a Chinese trader in spices, silks & opium visiting the S= panish court. >=20 > I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat patterns. Now I'm l= ooking for some embroidery and/or applique details. An image search turned= up some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying to find sketches or= schematics of decorative facings and embroidery that are usable to someone= who doesn't draw. I've been begging hubby to draw some of the details off= the museum photos for me but nothing so far. *********************=20 > It'll be a smidge expensive on the used/rare book market, but find a =20 > copy of "5000 years of Chinese Costume." >=20 > It's the most comprehensive resource I've ever found on Chinese =20 > clothing. >=20 > andy ************************* Wow! I found it from $81 to $300 but no pictures, darn it. I'd have to se= e a bood that expensive before I bought it. Thanks for the lead. *************************** > I know Dover books has a couple on Chinese designs. They are cheap and=20 > readily available through most bookstores. It's all black and white line= =20 > drawings and easy to reproduce, and permission is given with each=20 > purchased book to do so. ******************* That's right! I've looked at them - with a CD as well. Thanks for the rem= inder. *******************=20 > Joann's is advertising brocade on sale for $5.99 this week. You might be= =20 > able to cut strips of that and use it as edging on something. I'm not=20 > sure using poly brocade for the whole dress is a good idea this time of= =20 > year. > Dawn>=20 ************************ That's exactly what I bought. One small patterned brocade to use as the co= at and a solid for trim/facings. Then I bought another brocade with 5" med= allions and plan to cut them out and applique on the blouse. I tried to fi= nd a quilter's cotton that would have worked but didn't find anything excep= t solids that would have to be heavily embellished. I'm not pleased with t= he polyester brocade for summer, but this needs to be ready by Sept. 9. *****************>=20 > The cheongsam, while a truly lovely garment, was > developed in Shanghai around 1930 from an earlier and > looser coat/robe garment (rather like this men's > garment (center one) from the late nineteenth century > in Max Tilke: > ). > Ann in CT >=20 Yes. I was aware of that. I'm straddling that fine line of finding someth= ing remotely appropriate that dd will wear. She doesn't like the shapless = tunics, even in beautiful fabrics. At least I'm getting her out of her pir= ate wench garb . One battle at a time... I'm counting on not too many = mundanes having a clue that the cheonsam is too modern . Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 18:47:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMlY73031341 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:47:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SMlZBG032724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:47:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SMl1O0010206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMkxlG043983; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:47:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from centaur.concentric.com (centaur.concentric.com [207.155.249.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMktNY043917 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by centaur.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 163E33695; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.248.177) with Concentric Web Mail; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: , Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:46:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200708280032.l7S0WPqF031748@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20070828224655.163E33695@centaur.concentric.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36302c4a-f88e-46fe-aeab-3e3cfa57d8a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D4A607.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:47:38 -0400 (EDT) > My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't hav= e to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. She's supposed = to be the widow of a Chinese trader in spices, silks & opium visiting the S= panish court. >=20 > I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat patterns. Now I'm l= ooking for some embroidery and/or applique details. An image search turned= up some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying to find sketches or= schematics of decorative facings and embroidery that are usable to someone= who doesn't draw. I've been begging hubby to draw some of the details off= the museum photos for me but nothing so far. *********************=20 > It'll be a smidge expensive on the used/rare book market, but find a =20 > copy of "5000 years of Chinese Costume." >=20 > It's the most comprehensive resource I've ever found on Chinese =20 > clothing. >=20 > andy ************************* Wow! I found it from $81 to $300 but no pictures, darn it. I'd have to se= e a bood that expensive before I bought it. Thanks for the lead. *************************** > I know Dover books has a couple on Chinese designs. They are cheap and=20 > readily available through most bookstores. It's all black and white line= =20 > drawings and easy to reproduce, and permission is given with each=20 > purchased book to do so. ******************* That's right! I've looked at them - with a CD as well. Thanks for the rem= inder. *******************=20 > Joann's is advertising brocade on sale for $5.99 this week. You might be= =20 > able to cut strips of that and use it as edging on something. I'm not=20 > sure using poly brocade for the whole dress is a good idea this time of= =20 > year. > Dawn>=20 ************************ That's exactly what I bought. One small patterned brocade to use as the co= at and a solid for trim/facings. Then I bought another brocade with 5" med= allions and plan to cut them out and applique on the blouse. I tried to fi= nd a quilter's cotton that would have worked but didn't find anything excep= t solids that would have to be heavily embellished. I'm not pleased with t= he polyester brocade for summer, but this needs to be ready by Sept. 9. *****************>=20 > The cheongsam, while a truly lovely garment, was > developed in Shanghai around 1930 from an earlier and > looser coat/robe garment (rather like this men's > garment (center one) from the late nineteenth century > in Max Tilke: > ). > Ann in CT >=20 Yes. I was aware of that. I'm straddling that fine line of finding someth= ing remotely appropriate that dd will wear. She doesn't like the shapless = tunics, even in beautiful fabrics. At least I'm getting her out of her pir= ate wench garb . One battle at a time... I'm counting on not too many = mundanes having a clue that the cheonsam is too modern . Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 19:01:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SN1EnZ031689 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SN1FDa026642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SMvISe012180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMvDb0054633; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SMuiYC053994 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:56:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.15.73] Received: from [75.46.15.73] (adsl-75-46-15-73.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.15.73]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7SMtwHi015897 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:56:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2727EFE2-BF90-4715-BEDE-9F1A1B690504@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves again (sort of) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:56:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a330ad1-f593-4d57-8210-0019262eb7e2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D4A93B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:19 -0400 (EDT) If you make the back in a V neckline with the point of the V about 5 inches below the nape of the neck, they won't go anywhere, especially if you put twill tape in the edge of the neckline so it can't stretch anywhere. If you bring the sides of the front of the neckline close in to the neck and put the back of the neckline at the nape of the neck, they really won't go anywhere. Lingerie loops (or bra loops) are good for some things, but if the sleeves are heavy enough to drag the dress off her shoulders, they might be heavy enough to drag the brastraps off, too. Melanie Schuessler On Aug 28, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Maureen Conklin wrote: > I am working on a wedding gown with > raglan sleeves; the neckline looks like > some of the examples cited within the > past week. So, I'm wondering what to > do when you love the look, but are worried > about the sleeves sliding too far off the > shoulders. Would you narrow the top of > the sleeve (that makes up the over-the- > shoulder part of the neckline)? This is a > modern-style dress with simple princess > lines, done in silk matelasse underlined with > silk organza. Thanks a million. > > ~ Maureen > > ================== > ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 19:11:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNBAl0031928 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:11:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SNBBSX009936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:11:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SNAdTh014548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNAbE5067721; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNAXlN067606 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:10:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.180] (sjs-130-65-37-180.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.180]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SNALrO018195; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20070828224655.163E33695@centaur.concentric.com> References: <20070828224655.163E33695@centaur.concentric.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F548E44-2D4A-4D09-B15D-A5BC47A96411@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:10:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 718df79c-7a28-4676-96bf-8c326f75ddd0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D4AB8F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:11:15 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Julie wrote: >> It'll be a smidge expensive on the used/rare book market, but find a >> copy of "5000 years of Chinese Costume." >> >> It's the most comprehensive resource I've ever found on Chinese >> clothing. >> >> andy > ************************* > Wow! I found it from $81 to $300 but no pictures, darn it. I'd > have to see a bood that expensive before I bought it. Thanks for > the lead. The $81 copy is in Australia. The others in the $200-300 range are in the US and reflect the standard pricing. There's a picture at andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 19:11:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNBMDC031935 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:11:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SNBNod001009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:11:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SNAaGt014546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:10:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNAUdn067639; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:10:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNAPcm067521 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.180] (sjs-130-65-37-180.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.180]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SNALrO018195; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20070828224655.163E33695@centaur.concentric.com> References: <20070828224655.163E33695@centaur.concentric.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F548E44-2D4A-4D09-B15D-A5BC47A96411@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:10:13 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b099e86-0f5b-4e15-8c1f-8debb22cfab4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D4AB9B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:11:26 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Julie wrote: >> It'll be a smidge expensive on the used/rare book market, but find a >> copy of "5000 years of Chinese Costume." >> >> It's the most comprehensive resource I've ever found on Chinese >> clothing. >> >> andy > ************************* > Wow! I found it from $81 to $300 but no pictures, darn it. I'd > have to see a bood that expensive before I bought it. Thanks for > the lead. The $81 copy is in Australia. The others in the $200-300 range are in the US and reflect the standard pricing. There's a picture at andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 19:49:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNnWIP000456 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:49:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SNnXCm018182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:49:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7SNm6U9019620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNlxDP000833; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7SNluCu000707 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.180] (sjs-130-65-37-180.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.180]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7SNlorO028804 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Andrew T Trembley Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:47:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4003f3e5-63ab-4140-bfe0-8054e6280349 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D4B48D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:49:37 -0400 (EDT) So I've been told about what is essentially the holy grail of =20 Japanese Historical costume books: "Jidai Issho no Nuikata" (ISBN: 4773984058) I probably can figure out the patterns without reading Japanese, but =20 I can't figure out the cost or whether it's available. Anybody read =20 enough Japanese to check out the Amazon.co.jp webpage and tell me if =20 it's worth it to figure out how to buy the thing? andy= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 20:23:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0NiFp001307 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:23:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T0Njop006858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:23:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T0NBth023489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0N9Sc029475; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0N6aG029380 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:23:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so22263mue for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:23:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BB1vDWaBjn/otafLjG6l/9EofLNqKWmjmZICuf7+5mse2dd/IxSgc8VjUVAC5p5hUAA+680emnyDgbYkeOzkVvpBhhKMdZ0lMbh5JpbxLRY1d3zTuddiZGAyOdNpEnu/hgbektELFH+U/t4cPyFEWgJiukah/jZc79yBShDO70A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BW2oqmUQ28DRQyQaPIi50G2he5YPX3FnScC21ICG5NrQ5wNrizNRX4jkounBCJ6XencQCoGjCf/BexJyf5PVSwTvTIBeuwg0b5h6MXksCOCx2yASl8K+64ukXWxdzapUJhvOlYAAP62EfTTbXitPAkiPQz0pDfV1YzF+8Os3xOM= Received: by 10.82.158.12 with SMTP id g12mr172718bue.1188346980322; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.152.3 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:23:00 -0400 From: "Catrijn vanden Westhende" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 297f7e57-9050-4134-9f21-adc9d688f650 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D4BC91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:23:49 -0400 (EDT) On 8/28/07, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > So I've been told about what is essentially the holy grail of > Japanese Historical costume books: > "Jidai Issho no Nuikata" (ISBN: 4773984058) > X$NK%$$J}(B-$B2~D{!=I|85IJ(B > $B$rCf?4$H$7$?F|K\EAE}0aI~$N9=@.5;K!(B-$B7*86(B-$B90(B/dp/ > 4773984058/ref=sr_11_1/503-4426301-8840760? > ie=UTF8&qid=1188256160&sr=11-1> > > I probably can figure out the patterns without reading Japanese, but > I can't figure out the cost or whether it's available. Anybody read > enough Japanese to check out the Amazon.co.jp webpage and tell me if > it's worth it to figure out how to buy the thing? It is not available. There's a option to sign up to be notified by e-mail if/when it becomes available. Usually that set-up is for things that haven't been published yet, but since it was published in 1990, it more likely means that it is completely out of print. I wouldn't bother signing up unless you have reason to expect another printing run. - Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 20:27:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0RjRh001418 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:27:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T0Rfvs004516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:27:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T0R81K024042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0R7jp033279; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0R3xT033145 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.26]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:25:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:25:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.66.29 by BAY133-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:25:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.66.29] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Why don't you just write Amazon.jp? I'd bet someone there speaks = English. Also I read elsewhere that at one time it was sold by the = Kyoto Costume Museum...maybe you could try there? Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andrew T Trembley=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book! So I've been told about what is essentially the holy grail of =20 Japanese Historical costume books: "Jidai Issho no Nuikata" (ISBN: 4773984058) = =E6=99=82=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A3=E8=A3=B3=E3=81=AE=E7=B8=AB=E3=81=84=E6=96=B9-=E6=94=B9=E8=A8=82=E2=80= =95=E5=BE=A9=E5=85=83=E5=93=81=20 = =E3=82=92=E4=B8=AD=E5=BF=83=E3=81=A8=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E6=97=A5=E6=9C=AC=E4= =BC=9D=E7=B5=B1=E8=A1=A3=E6=9C=8D=E3=81=AE=E6=A7=8B=E6=88=90=E6=8A=80=E6=B3= =95-=E6=A0=97=E5=8E=9F-=E5=BC=98/dp/=20 4773984058/ref=3Dsr_11_1/503-4426301-8840760?=20 ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1188256160&sr=3D11-1> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 20:30:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0UQod001494 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:30:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T0URK9009554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:30:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T0TqXL024476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0Tk6l035338; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0TiWC035194 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so21948nze for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NMsCvZfPLFx0Azm35IOo2VwZoPmjHs+zsuHIOo3kPyR0t9bOdHLk/qWGsWkb3k3E4txS1P2AR+ukW2j4aQbdQJrMddFmGRs1SixNuvgqPm9ZdoD9e7390bazPY0ennhFaUXdtltwx457hGHZQhEnmMfY4bKMvxzA6+Nq6e+QwL8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OVggq65uy6pvGLRlKE3NVMdpXFFpPErC2/TtoUzhXkedPJt4zg/xMbwjxl5IbEq448YPz2OR/3uhtqtQb83Zrxq/cYVA//xwPeM9BbTuVdWHFc4aKjwq6b0J3ZjP65JD73u3TV/X0tPOxYfk/J7DUJbU+W2PPtavftNmneNogR4= Received: by 10.141.99.4 with SMTP id b4mr30341rvm.1188347377867; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.42.1 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0708281729p2ec6e71ej4870876fca4b5441@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:29:37 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor sleeves again (sort of) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2376c8ee-dafc-4ef1-9544-26ae52f631a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D4BE23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:30:31 -0400 (EDT) > I am working on a wedding gown with > raglan sleeves; the neckline looks like > some of the examples cited within the > past week. So, I'm wondering what to > do when you love the look, but are worried > about the sleeves sliding too far off the > shoulders. Would you narrow the top of > the sleeve (that makes up the over-the- > shoulder part of the neckline)? This is a > modern-style dress with simple princess > lines, done in silk matelasse underlined with > silk organza. Thanks a million. Make sure the body side seams go far up and as close to the armpit as is possible. The neckline can come right out the edges of the shoulder this way. What keeps the sleeves up in my 16thC garments is this combined with the neckline being all cut on the straight, so there is no stretch to allow the sleeves to be pulled down. Even the extremely wide neckline of my Anna Meyer dress doesn't fall down despite being too wide. And with my better cut dresses I have full range of motion in my arms. Narrowing the top of the sleeve section will only pull the body up and make a higher neckline, you can play around with the angle of the join between body and sleeve to get a snugger fit. How far have you got into the making of this dress? If you have already cut the fashion fabric to size you may need to resort to stay tapes at the neckline and maybe elsewhere. I have used elastic stays with success. You make a case for them or herringbone sitch around them (but not into the elastic) then tack one end, pull the other to fit tack that down, trim of the excess. The area will gather a little when not worn but fit smoothly when worn. http://hungryzombiecouture.blogspot.com/2007/08/butterick-4745-simplicity-3837.html Described a little more succinctly here;) Michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 20:41:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0fCl7001765 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T0fAUZ020600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:41:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T0ekpY026288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0eh5E045512; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0ec4M045428 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:40:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4242070024C for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book! Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:34:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708282034.59825.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb59e4ef-4f00-48e9-ac76-fd6b1d606405 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D4C0A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:41:16 -0400 (EDT) On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > So I've been told about what is essentially the holy grail of > Japanese Historical costume books: > "Jidai Issho no Nuikata" (ISBN: 4773984058) > =E3=82=92=E4=B8=AD=E5=BF=83=E3=81=A8=E3=81=97=E3=81=9F=E6=97=A5=E6=9C=AC= =E4=BC=9D=E7=B5=B1=E8=A1=A3=E6=9C=8D=E3=81=AE=E6=A7=8B=E6=88=90=E6=8A=80=E6= =B3=95-=E6=A0=97=E5=8E=9F-=E5=BC=98/dp/ > 4773984058/ref=3Dsr_11_1/503-4426301-8840760? > ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1188256160&sr=3D11-1> > > I probably can figure out the patterns without reading Japanese, but > I can't figure out the cost or whether it's available. Anybody read > enough Japanese to check out the Amazon.co.jp webpage and tell me if > it's worth it to figure out how to buy the thing? This page has a link which takes you to amazon.co.jp's home page. Plug the= =20 ISBN into the search box to go to the page for the book. On that page,=20 there's a box that says "would you like to see this page in English?" =20 Clicking that box doesn't translate the title information, but it translate= s=20 most of the rest of the page, including the part that says that the book is= =20 not presently available. There is a box you can click to get an e-mail fro= m=20 Amazon.jp when/if the item becomes available. Good luck! =2D-=20 Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information=20 available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 20:46:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0klIx001901 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:46:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T0kmvv013510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:46:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T0k2Qn026884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0if2G048342; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:44:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T0hmcf047665 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.180] (sjs-130-65-37-180.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.180]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T0hirO005512 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:43:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B96C6BE-10AF-4E1A-A538-8B8BBDCA8D3A@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book! Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:43:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6c3fa80-83c0-41a4-876e-5567597c9ae0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D4C1F8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:46:51 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Also I read elsewhere that at one time it was sold by the Kyoto > Costume Museum...maybe you could try there? It's not currently in the Kyoto Costume Museum online shop. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Aug 28 21:18:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T1IjE2002525 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:18:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T1Ik5h005113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:18:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T1HI6D031963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T1HDKA076108; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T1H9LQ076050 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A9970024C for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:40:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:40:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <20070828224655.163E33695@centaur.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <20070828224655.163E33695@centaur.concentric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708282040.27424.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ff77d02-cbeb-4ac3-88d0-d157aae14068 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D4C976.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:18:49 -0400 (EDT) On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Julie wrote: [snip] > > ************************* > Wow! I found it from $81 to $300 but no pictures, darn it. I'd have to > see a bood that expensive before I bought it. Thanks for the lead. I sympathize. The book itself, however, is loaded with color illustrations, both reconstruction drawings and renderings of period artwork. I got my copy from the Chicago Museum of Art (or whatever it's proper name is) back in the early 1990s for $50 USD; don't know if they still carry it or not. You can also try ILL, Here's something more immediately useful. Amazon.com is selling used copies, (no cheaper than the ones you located, alas) so they have a page for the book. That page has two customer images of inside pages. You may find them helpful in deciding what to do. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-images/0835118223/sr=11-1/qid=1188348158/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all/002-2070128-7904032?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188348158&sr=11-1#gallery If this URL doesn't render well, plugging the book's ISBN into Amazon's search box (ISBN: 0835118223) should pull the page for you. Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 02:08:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T68RkL012165 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:08:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T68ST8002578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:08:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T66mLJ070657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T66aRB006576; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T66TZk006509 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1IQGh946oQ-0007QU; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:06:29 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:06:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/laSn67PuDI2XDb7VNks4ctkOeDVZf4ULAtZQ EtoC+mV3QzE5iSPzguCaEcDCuFQKajkHievCO9qnuuNGmmVZ6q svuw9bYRcHifbzFhLpoFQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Textile Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cc16bb5-4edd-4a0c-b781-7c427114439e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D50D5C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:08:32 -0400 (EDT) I have an 1894 textile definition and wanted to know is this it = classified as a particular weave or just a fabric. Definition: Clay Worsted: A variety of flat-twilled worsted woven with a twill = similar to that of serge, the diagonal lines lying flat on the surface = and barely perceptible. On account of the warp and weft being slackly = twisted the cloth does not take a gloss as in the case of the ordinary = hard-twisted worsteds.=20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 02:38:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T6cANK026164 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:38:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T6cBld001183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:38:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T6bOKx076561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T6bIvD033133; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T6b3Zi032882 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2007082906365801200dqcmme>; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:36:58 +0000 Message-ID: <46D51478.5090703@bovil.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:38:48 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question References: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fef7ed3d-72d0-400e-8fbb-ccd5727a809c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D51453.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Penny Ladnier wrote: > I have an 1894 textile definition and wanted to know is this it classified as a particular weave or just a fabric. > I'm not sure what this question means. > Definition: > Clay Worsted: A variety of flat-twilled worsted woven with a twill similar to that of serge, the diagonal lines lying flat on the surface and barely perceptible. On account of the warp and weft being slackly twisted the cloth does not take a gloss as in the case of the ordinary hard-twisted worsteds. > Let's pick this apart. "Flat-twilled" is the weave. Fiber content would most likely be wool. "Slackly worsted" describes the preparation and spinning technique used to make the threads/yarns. Therefore, there is a specific weave associated with clay worsted, but clay worsted is a type of fabric. A bit more searching found the following reference to clay worsted: 1923 "Woolen Materials and Tailored Plackets" Woman's Institute of Domestic Arts & Sciences, by Mary Brooks Picken "Clay Worsted: Soft twilled fabric similar to serge. Used for dresses and suits." andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 03:16:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T7GoEC002269 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:16:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7T7GpQM004162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:16:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7T7FgJ3083703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T7FdC8067665; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T7FZdX067618 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1IQHm20ZYK-0008RR; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01c7ea0c$5b815c20$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <46D51478.5090703@bovil.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:15:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18E0SxVlsJ7VCXNAFN6D0y9ZC4M1PoBMfYA630 01muYgJBYVgl1mx5YZjgls2Bi8++x7dstphtW259EUuDkWf5+5 FXRUBbxplTGYGRiyd3RmQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: acfaad26-30d2-43b6-b3ae-e939d878e52c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D51D63.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:16:54 -0400 (EDT) I am sorry Andrew, I twisted my words around: My question according to this definition: Is clay worsted a yarn, weave, or fabric? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 10:02:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TE2kwa012915 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:02:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TE2htQ018046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:02:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TDxEgw039953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TDx166036329; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:59:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TDwuXd036047 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 120920787 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:58:47 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop><46D51478.5090703@bovil.com> <005a01c7ea0c$5b815c20$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Textile Question Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:03:12 -0500 Message-ID: <03bd01c7ea45$573fa3e0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <005a01c7ea0c$5b815c20$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Thread-Index: AcfqDKTgA54mbVpiSiGNwsuUO4xXKAAOKOUw X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 69, in=115, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82d45668-e042-430b-a56e-063e52f961f1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D57C83.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:02:50 -0400 (EDT) According to your definition, it's a fabric. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:15 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question I am sorry Andrew, I twisted my words around: My question according to this definition: Is clay worsted a yarn, weave, or fabric? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 10:57:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TEv4YT014803 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:57:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TEv51N003635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:57:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TEtrLj063312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TEtkvq012884; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TEtOCg012334 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1411693235 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: <023f01c7ea4c$a0201660$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop><46D51478.5090703@bovil.com> <005a01c7ea0c$5b815c20$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:55:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1674ab58-63e3-4bc3-884f-adcf5aa4ce42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D58941.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) > My question according to this definition: Is clay worsted a yarn, weave, > or fabric? > according to the definition you quoted, it's a fabric. Twill is the weave. The fabric seems to take it's characteristics [clay or "dull"] from the fact that the yarn used to weave it is not tightly twisted. Simplified examples would be a soft fuzzy wool blanket and a smooth shiny suiting. Both could use the same weaving structure (plain weave or twill), and both would be made from wool, but the soft fuzzy blanket would be made from loosely spun yarn and the suiting would be made from tightly spun yarn. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 11:14:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TFEBFv015406 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:14:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TFECZp002517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TFC99Z067612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TF7Gnx027813; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TF7BLi027576 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter04.comcast.net ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070829150706m13003h3hpe>; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:07:06 +0000 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter04.comcast.net; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:07:05 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:07:05 +0000 Message-Id: <082920071507.20010.46D58B99000C51EB00004E2A22007503309D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0f792be-8944-44d5-a63a-8b09a7c9b4a8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D58D44.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:14:16 -0400 (EDT) S-twist or z-twist? ;-) Lauren -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Penny Ladnier" > I am sorry Andrew, I twisted my words around: > > My question according to this definition: Is clay worsted a yarn, weave, or > fabric? > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 11:51:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TFpQfX016366 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:51:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TFpRcA027986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:51:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TFnxMF078035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:50:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TFn6B1080237; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:49:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7TFmQce079123 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54820 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2007 15:48:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=aGwOFtPiXv1PfPNmMeNCxXmr91N6EQmaAmK+XPPNtQdqgwgYWxU1fxisV6CydnKKHVY2dkmKB7gNjzUeJ6tqGVtH41WP0+GxARIFhQWRTKvXznQa5zjMv1RoJ9aGNRLgVzStnhx20Ifnxu6Kr21Kw5LVYzn9uHuz2+6P7WMRLTc=; X-YMail-OSG: 6OrzZO8VM1ktfeV.g05t_b50io.YoP3PSkmidOzmLJkrFoOxfXJ0TkZKkeNneIJ7YeMxN90taw-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:48:15 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46D38EBE.4080406@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <849643.54528.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b575f69-ebaf-4a4f-9b88-e1f5789894b5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D59600.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Sounds like it would be gorgeous just the color it is. Wear it outdoors for a few weekends and it may well start to fade. (Blues these days seem to be expecially unstable.) I'm just afraid that efforts to lighten it will end up giving you something that looks like blue-jean denim. And that's not an elizabethan look. MaggiRos --- Dawn wrote: > I've got a very dark blue linen that I'd like to > make a 16th century > dress out of. However, it's very very dark, nearly > black, and I'd like > to lighten it a bit. Fade it, even. > > I washed a test piece and some color came out in the > water, but did not > noticeably lighten the fabric. I think this was > excess dye. > > I soaked a test piece in a very weak bleach solution > and the fabric > turned a chocolate brown color. Nice, but not what I > wanted. And even > then, it has dark blue dye spots all over it. > > I suspect that dye remover will get me the same > result. > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 11:58:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TFwcIY016443 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:58:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TFwYQ6015900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:58:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TFvt9g080510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TFvogB091515; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:57:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TFvjK5091393 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l7TFvhG31927 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:57:43 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about linen and dyes Message-ID: <1188403063.46d59777d8d23@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:57:43 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <849643.54528.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <849643.54528.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92b9b5ce-0ff2-493d-a9a7-d038be68daa4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D597AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) The blue-->brown with bleach issue has me wondering if your blue is actually indigo, which (I believe, unless I have things backwards) turns yellow in basic solutions and blue again in acids. That might also explain why it's so very hard to remove. Try dipping your brown swatch in vinegar to return it to blue? If it works, you know you've got indigo (or a synthetic version of the same chemical) and could do research from there. Emma Quoting MaggiRos : > Sounds like it would be gorgeous just the color it is. > Wear it outdoors for a few weekends and it may well > start to fade. (Blues these days seem to be expecially > unstable.) > > I'm just afraid that efforts to lighten it will end up > giving you something that looks like blue-jean denim. > And that's not an elizabethan look. > > MaggiRos > > --- Dawn wrote: > > > I've got a very dark blue linen that I'd like to > > make a 16th century > > dress out of. However, it's very very dark, nearly > > black, and I'd like > > to lighten it a bit. Fade it, even. > > > > I washed a test piece and some color came out in the > > water, but did not > > noticeably lighten the fabric. I think this was > > excess dye. > > > > I soaked a test piece in a very weak bleach solution > > and the fabric > > turned a chocolate brown color. Nice, but not what I > > wanted. And even > > then, it has dark blue dye spots all over it. > > > > I suspect that dye remover will get me the same > > result. > > > > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The > village was burning when we got here. > > Anon. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 15:06:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TJ69aT020857 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:06:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TJ69Ng019362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:06:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TJ4AbR014972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TJ3Q9S020126; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TJ3Cgh019672 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:03:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.46]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:02:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.49.58.29] X-Originating-Email: [praxis_729@hotmail.com] X-Sender: praxis_729@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <46D51478.5090703@bovil.com> From: "Paula Praxis" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:02:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 19:03:01.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[385236D0:01C7EA6F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d8a981d-7e94-4655-9f60-d54917cb247e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D5C3A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Paula >From: Andrew Trembley >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:38:48 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by >bay0-mc9-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, >28 Aug 2007 23:43:49 -0700 >Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by >www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id >l7T6bexF076669(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 >verify=OK);Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:37:40 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from >h-costume-bounces@indra.com) >Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com >(8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7T6bIvF033133;Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:37:28 >-0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) >Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net >[204.127.200.82])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id >l7T6b3Zi032882for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:37:14 -0600 >(MDT)(envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) >Received: from >[127.0.0.1](c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173])by >comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTPid <2007082906365801200dqcmme>; Wed, 29 >Aug 2007 06:36:58 +0000 >X-Message-Delivery: Vj0zLjQuMDt1cz0wO2k9MDtsPTA7YT0w >X-Message-Info: >jl7Vrt/mfsp0GAbNILr+rZ9EyyUJLlqW6EpdMzQ59u1f3ZDPjSwWjioiDIeNerrymJWuOLu/p1GRDDTmwpe2Ww== >User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) >References: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop> >X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist >X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Historical Costume >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 06:43:49.0957 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F5020750:01C7EA07] > >Penny Ladnier wrote: >>I have an 1894 textile definition and wanted to know is this it classified >>as a particular weave or just a fabric. >> > >I'm not sure what this question means. > >>Definition: >>Clay Worsted: A variety of flat-twilled worsted woven with a twill similar >>to that of serge, the diagonal lines lying flat on the surface and barely >>perceptible. On account of the warp and weft being slackly twisted the >>cloth does not take a gloss as in the case of the ordinary hard-twisted >>worsteds. > >Let's pick this apart. > >"Flat-twilled" is the weave. Fiber content would most likely be wool. >"Slackly worsted" describes the preparation and spinning technique used to >make the threads/yarns. > >Therefore, there is a specific weave associated with clay worsted, but clay >worsted is a type of fabric. A bit more searching found the following >reference to clay worsted: >1923 "Woolen Materials and Tailored Plackets" Woman's Institute of Domestic >Arts & Sciences, by Mary Brooks Picken > >"Clay Worsted: Soft twilled fabric similar to serge. Used for dresses and >suits." > >andy > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 16:11:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TKBdUB022948 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:11:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TKBeaQ020860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:11:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TK8j2F029674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TK8Wta099159; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TK89t4098478 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2007082920075901200dt7ppe>; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:07:59 +0000 Message-ID: <46D5D28E.3010208@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:09:50 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question References: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop><46D51478.5090703@bovil.com> <005a01c7ea0c$5b815c20$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <023f01c7ea4c$a0201660$52a73743@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <023f01c7ea4c$a0201660$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c52c9f9-7a34-4dd2-8944-804222150bda X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D5D2FC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Land of Oz wrote: > Simplified examples would be a soft fuzzy wool blanket and a smooth > shiny suiting. Both could use the same weaving structure (plain weave > or twill), and both would be made from wool, but the soft fuzzy > blanket would be made from loosely spun yarn and the suiting would be > made from tightly spun yarn. Close, but not quite. The processing and spinning for a worsted yarn is a bit more complicated than just spinning more tightly. A worsted preparation technique involves carding and combing the fibers enough to remove the natural kink in the wool before spinning. A worsted spinning technique involves spinning the yarns very tightly to avoid any air spaces. The yarns for clay worsted, I'm going to guess, are made with a worsted preparation technique, but with a less-tight worsted spinning technique. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 17:07:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TL7qdY024410 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:07:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TL7rZI001624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:07:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TL6k8b044011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TL6f5N070303; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TL6YkV070159 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1412046623 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <03a201c7ea80$7bb2fe30$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop><46D51478.5090703@bovil.com> <005a01c7ea0c$5b815c20$6801a8c0@momlaptop><023f01c7ea4c$a0201660$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <46D5D28E.3010208@bovil.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:06:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7bd8d21-4106-4956-8b24-490573f50650 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D5E029.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:07:57 -0400 (EDT) > > Close, but not quite. > > That's why I said, "simplified explanation". I didn't think anyone who didn't already know would care about a lengthy explanation of worsted vs. woolen. as for this: >>A worsted preparation technique involves carding and combing the fibers enough to remove the natural kink in the wool before spinning. A worsted spinning technique involves spinning the yarns very tightly to avoid any air spaces<<< Close, but not quite. Worsted prep doesn't involving "remove the natural kink in the wool", it simply aligns the fibers in a completely parallel arrangement. Worsted yarn from a highly crimped wool like Merino will look and feel differently than worsted yarn made from a low-crimp wool like Lincoln. Also, it is certainly possible to spin a worsted yarn loosely. Worsted doesn't by definition *always* mean "tightly spun". As a rule, it tends to be (or look) more tightly spun when all other factors are equal, but it doesn't have to be if the application doesn't call for it. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 17:49:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TLnYRl025586 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:49:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TLnZ5X032584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:49:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TLmVVQ051801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TLmSmM017584; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:48:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (mxo5.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TLmOZL017443 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49173] helo=[192.168.1.7]) by mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id 88/B7-21216-E21E5D64 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:12:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200708292040.l7TKekqM039708@net.indra.com> References: <200708292040.l7TKekqM039708@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:48:11 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: linens and dyes... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd627126-8665-4043-902e-9950bb47f5d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D5E9EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:49:39 -0400 (EDT) At 2:40 PM -0600 8/29/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >The blue-->brown with bleach issue has me wondering if your blue is actually >indigo, which (I believe, unless I have things backwards) turns >yellow in basic >solutions and blue again in acids. That might also explain why it's so very >hard to remove. Try dipping your brown swatch in vinegar to return >it to blue? > If it works, you know you've got indigo (or a synthetic version of the same >chemical) and could do research from there. HUH???? Um could someone clarify this??? I was under the impression that once indigo had been reduced, deposited on the cloth and aired it was darn near permanent...there are many issues with color changing in discharge dyeing (applying bleach of some form to dyed cloth), but that is not my area of interest at this time. Perhaps someone more skilled could speak up?? Ta Carol--so many pathways, so little time! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 18:18:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TMIR9G026452 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:18:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TMIS2u010213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:18:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TMGucY055890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:16:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TMGqCe047631; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TMGmek047485 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.180] (sjs-130-65-37-180.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.180]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TMGfrO019334 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C37E006-2733-4CAB-A4FF-F0B7F972B2FB@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Chinese Costume... Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:16:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff47fce2-726a-4d38-873d-62607f6695e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D5F0B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:18:32 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 29, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Sharon Henderson wrote: > I am attempting to replicate the look of this for a non-opera purpose. > In an online article about the Chinese traditional opera (an article > I cannot now find... alas...) there is a picture of three actors who > have brought some children up on stage with them and put them in the > garments, and on one child you can see that the undergarment > apparently crosses over the front wrap-style, like a kimono, and that > while the sleeves are huge and long--the body of the garment itself is > barely waist-length. If it's that short on a child, I can imagine it > must be like the little white blouse worn with traditional dirndls: > very short indeed! :-) If... ...you're in the SF Bay Area... and ...you don't need to finish this quickly... ...I know where there's going to be a trunk show of vintage Cantonese Opera costumes from the Cantonese Opera Society of Sunnyvale at the end of September. You can probably get a look at original garments of this type. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 19:41:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TNfSmc028798 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:41:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7TNfT0w017342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:41:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7TLEOCA045434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TLEIbx079185; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7TLEFUh079064 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:14:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so355251waf for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:14:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Zmqj1itTA2UtJ1/FpsF8Obyrl8TjDA5Luu+13BF2Z+wmrYWY/+pumKtB2GpP6SjJoMV7yNHkQ1LEwtqiuyd3tME8yp6uLkPxwhygLK+UFhra850AJJFcJfv5sCR+kuDjkSvnGdt+aFQ5cAusxCwdINlU9/ANqz7ZmrsuAysmvuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=d3BQXU0rc09PDwme3mOvv3whLstP64vQ9A4GVl+4rjev6ot9B5TTRhnP6ie5KqvnXU3cZ3z+s7BtDav2cY5wLdSi6CUbUFBN7wQdNdoC0r+wEaDySxpkBHavlIL9ZilSJLJtcY6HhfI++lsRX9pRoJdPXtOqbqiBaIVmJJRaOcE= Received: by 10.114.58.1 with SMTP id g1mr5052waa.1188422051430; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.134.19 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:14:11 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of Chinese Costume... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd755b63-98cc-4794-8023-461d19bb0afa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D60429.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Hi folks, Can anyone who may ever have made or helped with the making of Chinese garb of previous eras give me a hint on making the undergarment that creates the "Water sleeve" look that is used in opera? It seems to be a very VERY full, long-sleeved garment, almost always in white, that the actors and singers use for emphasis (flicking the fabric about very deftly!) while onstage. The sleeves brush the floor when the arms are down by the sides, and sometimes when not. :-) I am attempting to replicate the look of this for a non-opera purpose. In an online article about the Chinese traditional opera (an article I cannot now find... alas...) there is a picture of three actors who have brought some children up on stage with them and put them in the garments, and on one child you can see that the undergarment apparently crosses over the front wrap-style, like a kimono, and that while the sleeves are huge and long--the body of the garment itself is barely waist-length. If it's that short on a child, I can imagine it must be like the little white blouse worn with traditional dirndls: very short indeed! :-) There are a couple of kimono-sleeved "modern" tops in the pattern books right now; could I get away with making one of those, shortening it, and making the long, long sleeves with some judicious lengthening of the pattern? Or would I mess it up? I have some gorgeous silk-linen cloth in white, very fine and soft, that would be perfect for something like this... I'm terrified to cut into it until someone more "in the know" than I might possibly step forward and smack me for my fabric timidity... :-) Thanks in advance, Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Aug 29 21:01:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7U11TL2030679 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:01:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7U11UCB024742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:01:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7U10BAK077539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:00:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7U107HW093393; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7U0xwGH093220 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70011 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2007 00:59:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HFzjhFY1GWL33pBngputR2clNrem0bQ5kufCSChVWU0+MIcxX2FgJp2hx6W4LHgOsha+yivPG67QyS2eI9tWFOQK/QITW1luujCetq+Ghq9mFjVvgsuRDsadrKTB+Q0nwkUEPNvrMzewmso/eHoCIErG/So8rYG1uOPKc/Ffq9E=; X-YMail-OSG: aK.NIVwVM1k5gpaavqX541uImC7vy2ah4N1xvdlMdMASqUzOYPmWna3ppYo3bRJ8s_VPBkJ7rnFK6Rh43VEkSROAs0et5T.SSZBo5NpeXeGO8.NCw8Wzw4gvV.sb0MZzxXZjXpUDQrDYlZGEb.ZM7jr7Hw-- Received: from [69.183.176.68] by web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:59:53 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:59:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1188403063.46d59777d8d23@webmail02.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Indigo Re: questions about linen and dyes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d5235a4-066a-40b5-8e8a-2d3042652908 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D616EA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:01:34 -0400 (EDT) --- 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > The blue-->brown with bleach issue has me wondering > if your blue is actually > indigo, which (I believe, unless I have things > backwards) turns yellow in basic > solutions and blue again in acids. That might also > explain why it's so very > hard to remove. Try dipping your brown swatch in > vinegar to return it to blue? > If it works, you know you've got indigo (or a > synthetic version of the same > chemical) and could do research from there. > > Emma Indigotin is not an indicator. The indigo dye bath is basic, and is yellow, but that's from the reduced form of indigo, indoxyl, where blue is the oxidized form. I'm not sure what's going on with the brown, except further chemical reactions--there are several chemicals with common names of [color] indigo, per an old CRC Handbook via my faulty memory. i.e., red indigo, brown indigo, and blue indigo. While looking up some indigo chemistry to supplement said faulty memory, I came across an interesting page , which show the Tyrian purple molecule as found in the Murex species--it is 6,6'-Dibromoindigo. Only two bromines away from indigo! But nothing to supplement the [color] indigo list in my immediate search. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 07:37:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UBbpGV004228 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:37:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UBbm7G006657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:37:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UBZJ9M063753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:35:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UBZCFV093744; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7U60cBB029917 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:00:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8m) with ESMTP id 24633174-1928045 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:01:32 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [61.69.24.137]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8m) with ESMTP id 134394185-1928045 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:47:38 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: A Gardiner-Garden Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:00:40 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-SpamDetect: : -1.000000 Aspam=-1.0 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 8, in=17, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=61.69.24.137 X-Originating-IP: 61.69.24.137 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 4e3a30a9-0302-41ea-8312-04d2c81106e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D6AC0C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 07:39:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UBdNEN004292 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:39:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UBdOlx021104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:39:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UBcXgu064258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UBcWlV096485; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7U6r2eg070719 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:53:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1IQdtk0zdc-0007JT; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:53:01 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c7ead2$5cd76440$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005401c7ea02$b5e5f810$6801a8c0@momlaptop><46D51478.5090703@bovil.com><005a01c7ea0c$5b815c20$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <03bd01c7ea45$573fa3e0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Question Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:52:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/kUVyw+guqQfhOonswa3alnUnW1xGGwi2a5Vg p8TixpDpOE8dzF8rPbvC0jFWWxAzeFAI+DF3/MA2YKPa8RI1hw 0PHLYdCgIbeDLMgGhNXpA== Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 901d0b41-bfac-44db-a54b-27139390466c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D6AC6C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 08:08:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UC8UkO005136 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:08:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UC8VgZ020721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:08:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UC2hjS068422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UC2fpn018701; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:02:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UC2aww018561 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 618413770-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.30.240 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRABxP1kZPSB7w/2dsb2JhbACBVYZQ Received: from 79-72-30-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.30.240]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 30 Aug 2007 13:02:28 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070830130150.032f8280@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:02:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green In-Reply-To: <355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> References: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3bd930f7-ff80-486c-bd0a-c3af86312042 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D6B33F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 09:07:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UD7lGN006686 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:07:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UD7mT7015572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:07:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UD64YF079658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UD5wQj075760; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UD5rLB075693 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070830130552.PUDZ4747.fep33.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:05:52 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.120]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.02.00 201-2196-120-20070322) with ESMTP id <20070830130552.CEIU12123.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:05:52 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c7eb06$8432a070$78e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20070830130150.032f8280@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:05:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.63.231.120] at Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:05:45 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51f497db-58db-40d2-a75d-5c3d89a17d42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D6C124.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Hi, Why is it that when i click the link, i only get a blank page, saying the site is under construktion? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green > At 07:00 30/08/2007, you wrote: >>I am working on a reproduction of the garments from the portrait of >>the lady in green at http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ ladygreen.jpg . >>Before I spend time working out the blackwork pattern >>used on the smock/partlet collar, I thought I'd check here first to >>see if anyone has already done it. >>Many thanks, Aylwen > > > Made the dress twice, but not the embroidery. Customers wanted open necks > for summer wear! Sorry. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 11:05:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UF5UAT010913 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:05:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UF5Vu7007352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:05:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UF2OFY000224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UF1jtv086301; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UF12GU085355 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200B7FDB62 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:00:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46D6DBB2.8060003@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:01:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green References: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> <7.0.1.0.2.20070830130150.032f8280@suziclarke.co.uk> <001001c7eb06$8432a070$78e73f50@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001001c7eb06$8432a070$78e73f50@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bf8f5a2-fd8c-44c9-a5d0-434ea0cb648b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D6DCBB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It should be: http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 11:32:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UFWFZP011573 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:32:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UFWGiK009390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UFVZk0004651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UFVSL2017614; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UFVNc1017481 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c50.1af89e09 (42808) for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:30:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65338a9e-871e-48a5-9bfe-9ff7cab80e05 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D6E300.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Hmmmmm... the needlework on the inside of the chemise collar is different from the needlework on the outside of the collar. I would have thought the two would show through to the other sides, unless the white linen was much heavier than I expected. I wonder of there is an innerlining between the layers of the collar... for stiffening. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 12:25:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UGPY38012800 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:25:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UGPZHS031770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:25:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UGNl1J013694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UGNf1l075217; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UGNZKT075110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-220-89.tpgi.com.au [220.244.220.89]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l7UGNWmv024959 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:23:34 +1000 Message-ID: <001201c7eb22$1c6699d0$59dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:23:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cc6fa06-6135-4972-84be-058935fa930a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D6EF7F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:25:39 -0400 (EDT) ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Gardiner-Garden" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green >I am working on a reproduction of the garments from the portrait of the >lady in green at http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ladygreen.jpg . > Before I spend time working out the blackwork pattern used on the > smock/partlet collar, I thought I'd check here first to see if anyone has > already done it. > Many thanks, Aylwen I know I've seen a dress diary that featured that embroidery I have a feeling it may have been one of Bella's Italian showcases http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm if I find it I'll let you know. -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 16:04:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UK4915021191 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:04:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UK4AWi026406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:04:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UK2C9a057734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:02:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UJoXs9022529; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UGYqY0087221 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) Received: from [24.145.135.5] (helo=gold.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1IQmyl-0006n1-CN for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:34:47 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:34:51 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Frau Anna Bleucher Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-56962D22 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: f624f35fe26fb6dbfe687ec8711461339ef193a6bfc3dd4816a81032c475c8a7fe89b8eff299c1df1e3821db987f1b31350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.135.5 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f6d2584-c46f-4e4f-b46a-109219cc6d49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D722BA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:04:14 -0400 (EDT) In the 16th Century, many blackwork designs were created to display a different pattern on the reverse side. I expect this is an example of this work. To duplicate without learning the specific stitch pattern, two layers will be required. Connie At 11:30 AM 8/30/2007, you wrote: >Hmmmmm... the needlework on the inside of the chemise collar is different >from the needlework on the outside of the collar. I would have >thought the two >would show through to the other sides, unless the white linen was >much heavier > than I expected. I wonder of there is an innerlining between the layers of >the collar... for stiffening. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.12/979 - Release Date: 8/29/2007 8:21 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 16:07:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UK7vNf021268 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:07:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UK7w1J014392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:08:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UK7JUf058496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UK6Poh040556; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra2.swissinfo.org (barra2.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UK5599038918 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1188504290-229200050000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.76:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra2.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 60CC61C5616 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:04:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra2.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id Pa6G0bJtu76STCxJ for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:04:50 +0200 (CEST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC8008AF37C for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:23:51 +0200 Message-ID: <046701c7eb3b$70045b40$e600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com><355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> <001201c7eb22$1c6699d0$59dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:24:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1188504290 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0b46d0d-af53-4c1f-be7d-735700d3651f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D7239E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:08:02 -0400 (EDT) I think it was posted here a few weeks back, but just in case you don't have it, there's a nice hi-res version of this at: http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/microsites/theartofitaly/object.asp?row=13&exhibs=CITAFLORO&item=14 or if that link doesn't work, http://snipurl.com/1q4zn Not my era/area, but whenever I see such wonderful detail I'm tempted to make the thing anyway! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 16:46:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UKkAiM021833 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:46:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UKkB6p012919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UKgCAF064861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UKg4NJ080257; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UKfal7079693 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7UKfUt6029129 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:41:30 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070830133837.02857be0@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:41:30 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Highland War X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f020450-1156-4b03-a899-a289b25845d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46D72C93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:46:15 -0400 (EDT) I will be at Highland war this weekend where it is currently 106F. I was wondering if anyone on the list who knows how to finger braid will also be there and willing to give an impromptu class? I would love to learn. I have downloaded some instructions and will be trying to self teach but a little coaching goes a a long way in any of life's endeavors. I am Betsabea Da Venizia and will be with a good size of group. The war is so small that it is not difficult to find people. Thanks and be safe this weekend. Betsabea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 17:18:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULIEjJ022364 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ULIFE8005149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:18:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ULGoMh072286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULGdPh022619; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULGWrD022306 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h-68-164-132-205.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[68.164.132.205]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <2007083021162311300g4862e>; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:16:23 +0000 Message-ID: <46D733A7.7030606@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:16:23 -0700 From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200708301948.l7UJmK2G019978@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200708301948.l7UJmK2G019978@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork in Lady in Green X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81204ddd-f498-47b4-923f-4548d5b28587 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D73417.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:18:19 -0400 (EDT) h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:00:40 +1000 From: A Gardiner-Garden Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am working on a reproduction of the garments from the portrait of the lady in green at http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ ladygreen.jpg . Before I spend time working out the blackwork pattern used on the smock/partlet collar, I thought I'd check here first to see if anyone has already done it. Many thanks, Aylwen I've made the chemise and the gown, although I didn't finish the sleeve embroidery, only the neck embroidery. You can see some pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/humbugfoto/sets/72157600520663277/ I hope that link works - I had to move all my photos off of Yahoo and this is the first time I've linked to the flickr site. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 17:23:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULN18A022459 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:23:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ULN0Re023773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:23:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ULMYLO073471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULMRe3029254; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULMKAK029113 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4DB1D9602FE; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:21:31 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <1188403063.46d59777d8d23@webmail02.unl.edu> <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Indigo Re: questions about linen and dyes Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:22:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7eb4b$ed3dbfb0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfqoTj7mUW/5qfxQzmeBpE829ls6gAfw0gQ In-Reply-To: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 360ebed1-2556-4c4d-991d-41dd2c6ee739 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D73534.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:23:06 -0400 (EDT) I had a cotton sweater that I wanted a different color. (It was raspberry.) I soaked it in dye remover and it turned a strange yellow-ish color. Turns out it had first been treated with something which would make the raspberry color more vibrant. Or something along those lines. Anyway, I never could get it to an uncolored state. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ann Catelli Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Indigo Re: questions about linen and dyes --- 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > The blue-->brown with bleach issue has me wondering if your blue is > actually indigo, which (I believe, unless I have things > backwards) turns yellow in basic > solutions and blue again in acids. That might also explain why it's > so very hard to remove. Try dipping your brown swatch in vinegar to > return it to blue? > If it works, you know you've got indigo (or a synthetic version of > the same > chemical) and could do research from there. > > Emma Indigotin is not an indicator. The indigo dye bath is basic, and is yellow, but that's from the reduced form of indigo, indoxyl, where blue is the oxidized form. I'm not sure what's going on with the brown, except further chemical reactions--there are several chemicals with common names of [color] indigo, per an old CRC Handbook via my faulty memory. i.e., red indigo, brown indigo, and blue indigo. While looking up some indigo chemistry to supplement said faulty memory, I came across an interesting page , which show the Tyrian purple molecule as found in the Murex species--it is 6,6'-Dibromoindigo. Only two bromines away from indigo! But nothing to supplement the [color] indigo list in my immediate search. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 17:44:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULiMl9022862 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:44:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ULiNai002006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:44:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ULhjFL076934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULhblh053543; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULhWLb053344 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.103]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:43:27 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:43:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:43:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.217.169.115] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <46D733A7.7030606@worldnet.att.net> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork in Lady in Green Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:43:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2007 21:43:26.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC2EBCE0:01C7EB4E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f0019ab-ea23-4bd9-82b8-622ec07238e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D73A37.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:44:27 -0400 (EDT) That's just beautiful! Thanks for sharing. I may never decide to do that kind of work, but it is a pleasure to see someone else do it! >From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net >Reply-To: Historical Costume > >I've made the chemise and the gown, although I didn't finish the sleeve >embroidery, only the neck embroidery. You can see some pictures here: >http://www.flickr.com/photos/humbugfoto/sets/72157600520663277/ > >I hope that link works - I had to move all my photos off of Yahoo and this >is the first time I've linked to the flickr site. > >Julie > >_______________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 17:56:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULu462023213 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:56:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7ULu5d0032574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:56:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7ULtYfh078938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULtUR1066208; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7ULtNvP065998 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:55:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c6c.1574f9c7 (65097) for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:55:11 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bffe52c7-b523-4b25-8ebf-aeee7fd251ba X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D73CF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:56:09 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 8/30/2007 3:56:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bleucher@earthlink.net writes: In the 16th Century, many blackwork designs were created to display a different pattern on the reverse side. That is soooo cool! There simply is no end to the ingenuity of needle work. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 18:22:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMMdUT023678 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:22:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UMMe5P020117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UMLbWL083450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMLUUn094345; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMLPmA094250 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so594303nze for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:21:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aI/XYg7krU7vq/oK4xiGWsxLRIRs0+Dv6kU9GVY0ZF0k8m/9WGi23SXs9YRU6UguMXNIWKG8iq8Q/GQc6Vf+SJQXYdrykMip064E6apFFzE4aM35849y160sCEgOdZyz2fmI6+QBeQURybdfQGJNYHMNTuC9fjqQgIxboKpbNJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MWDZJOoy6bVezNiVRn8tfFuRzWD8n6t6lErV6E3UeiJx8WQUp7xvkcYMJZIBLgSEzwaTE4bBLeTw5jv9r5iUxMztzpdAU9ifrpRHMGObzmu11oKlWPjGxTtbRdv128GNExY2tencbXP/ygRB1mC8TtUuToT6/Quqr8gazC1QL1Y= Received: by 10.142.178.13 with SMTP id a13mr46767wff.1188512483877; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:21:23 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Speaking of Chinese Costume... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a1b1b98-c939-4042-bdb7-51b50ccc600b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D74330.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:22:43 -0400 (EDT) >...I know where there's going to be a trunk show of vintage Cantonese >Opera costumes from the Cantonese Opera Society of Sunnyvale at the >end of September. You can probably get a look at original garments of >this type. > >andy And you're just going to tease instead of actually telling us where? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 18:22:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMMaaZ023675 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:22:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UMMbgS003502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:22:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UMLceu083451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMLU5F094340; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMLNxx094203 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8m) with ESMTP id 24609234-1928045 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:21:07 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [210.9.139.77]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8m) with ESMTP id 135038931-1928045 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:08:12 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46D733A7.7030606@worldnet.att.net> References: <200708301948.l7UJmK2G019978@net.indra.com> <46D733A7.7030606@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: A Gardiner-Garden Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork in Lady in Green Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:21:25 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-SpamDetect: : -1.000000 Aspam=-1.0 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet Known=true ip=210.9.139.77 X-Originating-IP: 210.9.139.77 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 252a0c23-0b9f-4c3f-b6da-76401ca690b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D7432E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Thanks so much - I knew I'd seen your beautiful work before but couldn't find the link again! This is going to help me so much! Many many thanks, Aylwen On 31/08/2007, at 7:16 AM, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:00:40 +1000 > From: A Gardiner-Garden > Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I am working on a reproduction of the garments from the portrait > of the lady in green at http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ > ladygreen.jpg . Before I spend time working out the blackwork > pattern used on the smock/partlet collar, I thought I'd check here > first to see if anyone has already done it. > Many thanks, Aylwen > > > I've made the chemise and the gown, although I didn't finish the > sleeve embroidery, only the neck embroidery. You can see some > pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/humbugfoto/sets/ > 72157600520663277/ > > I hope that link works - I had to move all my photos off of Yahoo > and this is the first time I've linked to the flickr site. > > Julie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 18:36:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMaqn2023874 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:36:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UMartE004586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:36:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7UMZJJN085337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMZDDw008720; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UMZ8g4008548 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:35:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.180] (sjs-130-65-37-180.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.180]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7UMZ2rO014417 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <885FB6C1-2DFE-4A31-986F-49D462697F0A@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Speaking of Chinese Costume... Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:34:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ae10674-9e5c-454c-83ee-28fbd16b4aa3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D74685.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:36:57 -0400 (EDT) On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Cin wrote: >> ...I know where there's going to be a trunk show of vintage Cantonese >> Opera costumes from the Cantonese Opera Society of Sunnyvale at the >> end of September. You can probably get a look at original garments of >> this type. >> >> andy > > And you're just going to tease instead of actually telling us where? I don't have permission to repost the announcement. Email me offlist about it and I'll forward your request to the host. She's in Japan right now, though, so there may be a delay in responses. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Aug 30 20:26:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7V0QCNW025601 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:26:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7V0QDJl008486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7V0MBe6098812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7V0M10X099645; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:22:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7V0LHWY099124 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:21:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so610741nze for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CAIN9bjhBNga7bk0fqOLOCbvBC7KDF1bqKM3Hn3OFAaiDkRclciYqvtKuUSOImR1rOaBABmXM1m3gaZQX2+xPTHYXLNeTozb2sXQYwxSKxt7tm8zv7f0LFJ6dWOVW0rCg8WoPic1i46f/vHe4CoZvr2QckVKaMUiVOh/gHSvy1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Q8QuPV3XjG6dwyax4ggDHTxE8wHLt53DvOhFgCJDpj7cYNedev35r0tCTyNqumdDekjzItNWhY9pzYzByNIAehkWr/reozEk02xqX12bQYlD32bVQP4Q3wTVhfhQ03qJm0decR74WgDn+i6yS4aXc3hYO5yixtSUr1asPrDusfM= Received: by 10.142.215.5 with SMTP id n5mr50295wfg.1188519676348; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:21:16 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] Speaking of Chinese Costume... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e485526c-23f9-443b-963c-97a0920f8578 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D76025.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:26:17 -0400 (EDT) >Can anyone who may ever have made or helped with the making of Chinese garb of previous eras give me a hint on making the undergarment that creates the "Water sleeve" look that is used in opera? >I am attempting to replicate the look of this for a non-opera purpose. In an online article about the Chinese traditional opera (an article I cannot now find... alas...) there is a picture of three actors who have brought some children up on stage with them and put them in the garments, and on one child you can see that the undergarment apparently crosses over the front wrap-style, like a kimono, and that while the sleeves are huge and long--the body of the garment itself is barely waist-length. Sharon, Here's a page with me & a friend wearing Cantonese Opera costumes in Singapore. Notice that the water sleeve on the yellow gown is sewn directly to the end of the sleeve. Sounds like the garment you saw on a child was done differently. Not much help here, only a note that there isnt one & only one way. http://cinbarnes.googlepages.com/CantoneseOperaCostume --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume