From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 31 17:15:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VLFFTe003645 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:15:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7VLFG9Q004994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7VLDqGQ083258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VLDkiO023679; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7VLDgnh023504 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:13:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 38403 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2007 21:13:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=vhsHvUxvpOTWoFFmf1rlqg3epoqk3RJ2Mf316xdu3TL8lqfqyLgZDE8X1ih3/qORtutcCh0AySU9fs2mKpLFr2l3fHkcjNWM/JurPe2jaS/kbYAKTgJwfGJrEL8zydlROTzkFx/dfrJz4IdkdLCSGw/EnPNxImRXR4qf9g5Gf4U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Angela) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2007 21:13:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: J6OOYKgVM1n6fEqj5GWDB14YlzQqBIO5sOfvqVox3oBY.jp3Z6ljMWeCGoWZqp4bMsTSoKRaX2fry08AMOKa9H4uvBkHKQAOw847tjP8dmZchBV.sw-- Message-ID: <005501c7ec13$cf79aca0$0c0010ac@Angela> From: "H_Costume" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:13:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Shop Sale ~ Halloween / Theater / Personal - X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2a3fed1-b59c-45dd-814d-9a92a063d29a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46D884E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO H_cost Members in SF Bay Area on 10/6 ~ I'm have a huge blowout sale of costumes ~ you all and other theater professionals are invited to have first crack at some GREAT stuff. Mark your calendars, Details below. Costume Shop Sale ~ Halloween / Theater / Personal - Link to map & directions http://www.aclo.com/documents/Directions%20to%20Studio%2035b.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cabbage Rose Costumes (Angela F. Lazear) is having a BIG sale to pare down costume stock before the end of the year and just in time for Halloween. It's the age-old story, too much stuff, too little storage. If you have a need for fantastic costumes, now's your chance. Among the items offered: Specialty pieces, incl.: Ladies wear, dresses, ballgowns & suits from 1900s to 1930s, 1940s, 1950s; some TOC menswear; Menswear appropriate to 1930s - 1940s, incl. hats.; Ladies period & vintage underwear from 1920s ~ Fantasy selections, incl.: Pippin (great for drag) & Into the Woods. ~ incl large selection of fantasy hats ~ General stock, incl: Capes, robes, good selection of overcoats, menswear, ladies dresses from various periods, incl 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, shoes, hats, and accessories. Shoes: large selection of men's boots & cowboy boots, limited ladies vintage, some dance wear (incl. new) ~ Western: Big selection of Western shirts & men's jackets ~ Dance sets: var. matching costumes made in sets, inc. 20s dresses, Flamenco, 1900s, "ghost robes", skirts, pettis, etc. A limited selection of choice vintage items will also be made available. ~ the above list is only a partial list of items to be offered from stock accumulated over 18 years. Location & Schedule: Sale will be held at Alameda Civic Light Opera's Studio 35, 2450 Pan Am Way, Alameda, California. SCHEDULE:Saturday, Oct 6 ~ 12n to 5pm PREVIEW SALE ~ COSTUME DESIGN PROFESSIONALS ONLY (please bring a business card); Sunday Oct 7 - 10am - 5pm OPEN SALE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ~ everyone is welcome SALE IS CASH ONLY ~ come prepared. +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 31 17:35:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VLZi1s003982 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:35:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7VLZjh3029581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:35:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7VLZ26J085959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VLYvWx046968; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VLYsZ2046885 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1108483waf for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:34:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kBfJOXqC4r/kgc5k+O77PiHLjkxWp78M6lwOndT5sGjV95nyHoAPn1lPTw8BVUHQ8GwTfPTpxJxwVz+5jsUjCfraL/MqANPy053SJofd7axIUA3VWTP1syrZZIR1DZt1WSH00uDsJ1yGZiAJafD5dHsl90WMR+rgP6yNd0TVZlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p+7pnONHc6AirJc1fhK+8x3ot16Eww3EU52d85bXFd5978/pTfQcW56cD6gUKukSv7KqevYsNgQHrmtHTpZo299ROVZujPSDTxVVvLszMMjn3XysyxffEjZUUlR3y3HHGhv8Ei/blDjTj5a9673medeoU5xkCq1PpbcqGBnoPMk= Received: by 10.142.240.9 with SMTP id n9mr95711wfh.1188596092991; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:34:52 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Speaking of Chinese Costume... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab975253-4502-45d7-94f3-89a94b3b497f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D889B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >>> ...I know where there's going to be a trunk show of vintage Cantonese >>> Opera costumes from the Cantonese Opera Society of Sunnyvale at the >>> end of September. You can probably get a look at original garments of >>> this type. >>> >>> andy >> And you're just going to tease instead of actually telling us where? >>--cin >I don't have permission to repost the announcement. Email me offlist >about it and I'll forward your request to the host. She's in Japan >right now, though, so there may be a delay in responses. >andy Found it myself. Peacock Cantonese Opera Association, Sunnyvale. The services page has pictures of costumes. http://peacock-opera.com/services.html Again, you can see the water sleeves sewn directly to the cuffs. The groups gives lessons in opera skills. I'm sure someone will be thrilled to tell an interested wairen all about the costumes. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 31 18:00:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VM0w8l004376 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:00:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7VM0x4T011794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:01:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7VM0KWZ091128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VM0FED075559; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VM08fg075265 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:00:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.180] (sjs-130-65-37-180.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.180]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7VLxxrO014133 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: Speaking of Chinese Costume... Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:59:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f133e8fe-d45a-43fd-8ad0-036d8ed1f8f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46D88F9B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Aug 31, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Cin wrote: > Found it myself. Peacock Cantonese Opera Association, Sunnyvale. The > services page has pictures of costumes. > http://peacock-opera.com/services.html > Again, you can see the water sleeves sewn directly to the cuffs. The > groups gives lessons in opera skills. I'm sure someone will be > thrilled to tell an interested wairen all about the costumes. Oh, now that's funny. It's a different group. The folks presenting the trunk show aren't the Peacock Cantonese Opera Association, they're the Chinese Opera Association of Silicon Valley . andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 31 18:23:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VMNfO1004833 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:23:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7VMNgph004197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:23:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7VMMavx093933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VMMXfK098021; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VMMT5m097944 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A48014AD03EA; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:21:52 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <344977.69790.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:23:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c7ec1d$85aea350$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfq+ilcmpUj8Tw8Q56/C+i+MuiZFgBIxCQw In-Reply-To: <355B5BE7-2900-479F-935D-1E400746BB12@netspeed.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1b50c4d-402b-474a-8f90-322b72c89f29 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D894EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No, but there is a good, clear black and white pic in "Blackwork" by Mary Gostelow. More detail than online. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green I am working on a reproduction of the garments from the portrait of the lady in green at http://www.geocities.com/ailithmac/ ladygreen.jpg . Before I spend time working out the blackwork pattern used on the smock/partlet collar, I thought I'd check here first to see if anyone has already done it. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Aug 31 19:48:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VNmMUv007521 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:48:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7VNmNiI002938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:48:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7VNlCuL009947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VNlAkY075900; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:47:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VNkUot075251 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.18]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:46:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:46:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.66.29 by BAY133-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:46:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.66.29] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:45:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 x-mimeole: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:45:13 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2007 23:46:20.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[2175C8D0:01C7EC29] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1529c99-3aaf-41ae-99b5-adc39b625b98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46D8A8C7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was browsing the advertising in my most recent issue of Threads, and = there are some promising fabric sources. This linen source says it has Belgium linen. These are good prices if = that is the case. http://threadpro.com/linen.htm Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp=20 If you are looking for something to do on a rainy day you could probably = spend a couple hours, (and many dollars!) checking them out. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 1 12:52:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81GqlNC014902 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:52:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l81Gqm3e015216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:52:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l81GpWIf053611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81GpMKV075130; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81GpJDR075037 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=oT090D51pSOZuDd+Q0BStqQ5ClG/nG0iwTczWQV7nbO9lbJg9hKc+yMAbYj0W2f9; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.119.205] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1IRWBm-0000Qr-Js for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:51:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200708281711.l7SHBXH9018075@net.indra.com> References: <215598.19499.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <009101c7e96f$2ebe17c0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <46D43579.30601@reddawn.net> <200708281711.l7SHBXH9018075@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F73D09B-72FD-4720-A07C-1A20414DB717@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for picture link Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 09:49:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c79feaa37d4904c4a8f629cc3ecd1e507350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.119.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 696b96f7-d3d1-4432-9d32-9b8952b07f86 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D998E0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 09:09 AM 8/28/2007, you wrote: >> It could also show that she is all-seeing, all-hearing. This >> could be >> seen as being ever-watchful, ever protective of her realm and its >> people. ... >> >> I'm not quite sure of the significance of the snake--but the fact >> that >> it curls around her arm--rather like the serpent around a physician's >> caudecus, might not be as sinister a symbol as we might interpret >> it to >> be. >> >> Cindy Abel > > A snake is also a sign of wisdom. Note also that this is not intended to show a "real" outfit: while elements of it may actually have existed, the Queen is shown here as if she was costumed for a masque. The "eyes and ears" mantle is not the sort of thing that would be worn on any other occasion, I think. :) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 1 15:45:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81JjR4S019344 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:45:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l81JjSIq024841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:45:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l81JiDNj075949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:44:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81Ji8QV029615; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:44:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81Ji4Bn029470 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070901194358.PFTN6647.fep31.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:43:58 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.105]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070901194358.TMK11474.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:43:58 +0200 Message-ID: <008001c7ecd0$78847d90$69e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Saragrace, These links dont work for me, i think something is wrong with your puter because often your links you send dont work. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:45 AM Subject: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. I was browsing the advertising in my most recent issue of Threads, and there are some promising fabric sources. This linen source says it has Belgium linen. These are good prices if that is the case. http://threadpro.com/linen.htm Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp If you are looking for something to do on a rainy day you could probably spend a couple hours, (and many dollars!) checking them out. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 1 17:29:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81LTvsL021385 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:29:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l81LTwh4004420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:30:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l81LSepP089284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81LSXuV014088; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81LST2C014036 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.55.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.55]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IRaW4-0005dy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:28:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <008001c7ecd0$78847d90$69e73f50@CPQ21932199711> References: <008001c7ecd0$78847d90$69e73f50@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2EB6F059-D7E7-4B34-8181-821142EC33FA@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:30:22 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c6fa2b3-5a44-436e-93d2-2a942fa1189a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46D9D9D6.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Bjarne. The links work for me. What browser do you use? Not all sites open well on all browsers. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Saragrace, > These links dont work for me, i think something is wrong with your > puter because often your links you send dont work. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" > > To: "h-costume" > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:45 AM > Subject: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. > > > I was browsing the advertising in my most recent issue of Threads, > and there are some promising fabric sources. > > This linen source says it has Belgium linen. These are good prices > if that is the case. > > http://threadpro.com/linen.htm > > Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. > http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp> > > If you are looking for something to do on a rainy day you could > probably spend a couple hours, (and many dollars!) checking them out. > > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 1 18:13:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81MDer6022824 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:13:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l81MDaiK014736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:13:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l81MD0as094673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:13:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81MCuk2048353; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:12:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81MCroS048318 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C35E33FA1A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:12:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp Her computer seems to repeat the url and make it as one. In the future you can click on them and then remove the repeat, then click and you should get to the site. De -----Original Message----- These links dont work for me, i think something is wrong with your puter because often your links you send dont work. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- http://threadpro.com/linen.htm Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp If you are looking for something to do on a rainy day you could probably spend a couple hours, (and many dollars!) checking them out. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 1 18:42:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81MgTqL023584 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:42:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l81MgU1j031333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:42:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l81MfiQM098473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81Mffgm072414; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81Mfccg072370 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DC1E6401B8 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:41:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for picture link Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:41:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5F73D09B-72FD-4720-A07C-1A20414DB717@igc.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e673625-3068-4b2b-b64e-b0812067ba5d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46D9EAD6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >From this site http://www.marileecody.com/eliz1-images.html Elizabeth's gown is embroidered with English wildflowers, thus allowing the queen to pose in the guise of Astraea, the virginal heroine of classical literature. Her cloak is decorated with eyes and ears, implying that she sees and hears all. Her headdress is an incredible design decorated lavishly with pearls and rubies and supports her royal crown. The pearls symbolize her virginity; the crown, of course, symbolizes her royalty. Pearls also adorn the transparent veil which hangs over her shoulders. Above her crown is a crescent-shaped jewel which alludes to Cynthia, the goddess of the moon. (De: Most say Diana) A jeweled serpent is entwined along her left arm, and holds from its mouth a heart-shaped ruby. Above its head is a celestial sphere. The serpent symbolizes wisdom; it has captured the ruby, which in turn symbolizes the queen's heart. In other words, the queen's passions are controlled by her wisdom. The celestial sphere echoes this theme; it symbolizes wisdom and the queen's royal command over nature. Elizabeth's right hand holds a rainbow with the Latin inscription 'Non sine sole iris' ('No rainbow without the sun'). The rainbow symbolizes peace, and the inscription reminds viewers that only the queen's wisdom can ensure peace and prosperity. Elizabeth was in her late sixties when this portrait was made, but for iconographic purposes she is portrayed as young and beautiful, more than mortal. In this portrait, she is ageless. De -----Original Message----- Note also that this is not intended to show a "real" outfit: while elements of it may actually have existed, the Queen is shown here as if she was costumed for a masque. The "eyes and ears" mantle is not the sort of thing that would be worn on any other occasion, I think. :) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 1 20:44:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l820iKOS026054 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:44:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l820iLsr028433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:44:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l820hEQG012098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l820hAB9062005; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l820h7Yi061915 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDPWB2MAADNBBA for (sender ); Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:42:50 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgnm1JreKWUnNqz7h3AdptXU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MWLHQ83Y; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:42:13 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:41:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for picture link Message-ID: <20070901.174149.2396.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-79 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 30:15:2063686676 X-MAIL-INFO: 318eaec7570f0b0f6e7aaeb37a7e73c35beb63d3c3fa8a3a9a3a6a63a36fcaea8b2b5b178b7a3e4e1e8e4f5f1ed7e3ae1bebeb2bef37be370707f7bbbe2aaabeabf7d74e7ffb23fb3ea7ba9b8f9bde879bbb4a3f333baaeaf35b4f17f317ea8eea5fee9e3f97773a133adade4a8ad38ab77aab4ab79af39393ea47636b4fee8fbf43bf1fa7fb1fa73be3a73b4feec727ce9b57b327470fef5767477e6f7a472f03fe8faa8f2b2e3b0ea78fe3 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10b3c9d3-d314-4524-9dc3-f9eb2d7a1024 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46DA0765.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi all. I wonder how much, if any, of the various motifs came from emblem books. Any thoughts, all you Elizabethanophiles? Arlys On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:41:41 -0500 "otsisto" writes: > >From this site > http://www.marileecody.com/eliz1-images.html > > Elizabeth's gown is embroidered with English wildflowers, thus > allowing the > queen to pose in the guise of Astraea, the virginal heroine of > classical > literature. Her cloak is decorated with eyes and ears, implying > that she > sees and hears all. Her headdress is an incredible design decorated > lavishly with pearls and rubies and supports her royal crown. The > pearls > symbolize her virginity; the crown, of course, symbolizes her > royalty. > Pearls also adorn the transparent veil which hangs over her > shoulders. > Above her crown is a crescent-shaped jewel which alludes to Cynthia, > the > goddess of the moon. (De: Most say Diana) > > A jeweled serpent is entwined along her left arm, and holds from its > mouth a > heart-shaped ruby. Above its head is a celestial sphere. The > serpent > symbolizes wisdom; it has captured the ruby, which in turn > symbolizes the > queen's heart. In other words, the queen's passions are controlled > by her > wisdom. The celestial sphere echoes this theme; it symbolizes > wisdom and > the queen's royal command over nature. > > Elizabeth's right hand holds a rainbow with the Latin inscription > 'Non sine > sole iris' ('No rainbow without the sun'). The rainbow symbolizes > peace, > and the inscription reminds viewers that only the queen's wisdom can > ensure > peace and prosperity. > > Elizabeth was in her late sixties when this portrait was made, but > for > iconographic purposes she is portrayed as young and beautiful, more > than > mortal. In this portrait, she is ageless. > > De > -----Original Message----- > > Note also that this is not intended to show a "real" outfit: while > elements of it may actually have existed, the Queen is shown here as > if she was costumed for a masque. The "eyes and ears" mantle is not > the sort of thing that would be worn on any other occasion, I think. > :) > > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 2 08:49:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82CnBY5022733 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:49:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l82CnC6V001594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:49:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l82Cm1xO090165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 06:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82Cltim036096; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 06:47:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l81Kl8Ef081995 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199A1FE0E2 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46D9CFD6.3000000@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:47:18 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. References: <008001c7ecd0$78847d90$69e73f50@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <008001c7ecd0$78847d90$69e73f50@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ed87462-a1c4-42a0-a120-51e5a54a0bb6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46DAB148.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Saragrace, > These links dont work for me, i think something is wrong with your puter > because often your links you send dont work. > > Bjarne > > > This linen source says it has Belgium linen. These are good prices if > that is the case. > > http://threadpro.com/linen.htm > > Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. > http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp > > You need to learn how to read the HTML links. If you look at the two lines of text you will see 'http://' followed by a string of characters that ends with 'htm' or 'asp'. This is the link. Sara's email program pasted the link in _twice_, trying to be helpful, and it messed up the way that computers read the text and recognize links, so that when you clicked you got an error. If you read carefully, you can see the error where it is repeated. If you take the part that starts 'http' and ends 'htm' or 'asp' and copy it into your browser address window, it will work. A lot of times email mangles links, but if you know what to look for you can pull out the correct address and find the web page. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 746c75b5-7730-489f-b668-7d8e3da8b5ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46DAF476.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was reading on another list where folks were losing image data on CDs that were only 3-4 years old. Anyone else have this problem? I know permanent archival isn't a solved problem, but I thought this was important to many of us. I'd like to hear what you guys do. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 2 13:42:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82HgL4a030974 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:42:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l82HgMYU018720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:42:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l82Hfvfm032081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82Hfuug072062; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:41:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82HfpLo072004 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1415262712 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c7ed88$88ec2120$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >I was reading on another list where folks were losing image data on CDs >that were only 3-4 years old. Anyone else have this problem? > > > I know permanent archival isn't a solved problem, but I thought this was > important to many of us. I'd like to hear what you guys do. that brings to mind a question I've been meaning to ask this (or another) group for some time. What do you think of the on-line storage services? Foto-bucket, Snapfish and others. I always worry about losing all my family and research photos from a hard drive crash. There are lots of ways to loose and/or damage CDs in storage. I thought of an on-line storage facility as a back up? Anyone have bad experiences with those? Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 2 14:50:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82IoKcO032673 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:50:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l82IoLaq019052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:50:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l82InHFN039988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:49:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82InDIR019480; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82In9ku019333 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:49:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070902184902.MLLY3832.fep32.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:49:02 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.64]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070902184902.BICP13078.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:49:02 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01c7ed91$fc7b0530$4043a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <008001c7ecd0$78847d90$69e73f50@CPQ21932199711> <46D9CFD6.3000000@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks Dawn, i didnt realise that. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Hi Saragrace, >> These links dont work for me, i think something is wrong with your puter >> because often your links you send dont work. >> >> Bjarne >> > >> >> This linen source says it has Belgium linen. These are good prices if >> that is the case. >> >> http://threadpro.com/linen.htm >> >> Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. >> http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp > > You need to learn how to read the HTML links. > > If you look at the two lines of text you will see 'http://' followed by a > string of characters that ends with 'htm' or 'asp'. This is the link. > > Sara's email program pasted the link in _twice_, trying to be helpful, and > it messed up the way that computers read the text and recognize links, so > that when you clicked you got an error. If you read carefully, you can see > the error where it is repeated. > > If you take the part that starts 'http' and ends 'htm' or 'asp' and copy > it into your browser address window, it will work. > > A lot of times email mangles links, but if you know what to look for you > can pull out the correct address and find the web page. > > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 2 15:35:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82JZ2EN002309 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:35:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l82JZ3ZJ006767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l82JYO5P045000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82JYM5M051103; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l82JYJgZ050985 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017EEFE4B9 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:34:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46DB104C.6070604@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:34:36 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4d20f7c-7621-4e07-85cb-2020e50ea4f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46DB1067.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I was reading on another list where folks were losing image data on CDs that > were only 3-4 years old. Anyone else have this problem? > My husband stores a lot of data on CDs and DVDs, and has had data loss issues. His current solution is to buy brand name quality disks. After trial and error with several brands, he's settled on Memorex. It seems to be holding up the best over time. My method is to have redundant backups. My web server is backed up onto CDs and onto another hard drive within our network. If I lose something, I have two chances of replacing it. I make new CD backups every year or two. I should do that more often, but... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 2 21:46:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l831kqpH012884 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:46:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l831krmj018937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:46:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l831ji5R087413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l831jcVB009764; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:45:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l831jZx8009678 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.23]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:45:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:45:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.35.66.29 by BAY133-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:45:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.35.66.29] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c7ed88$88ec2120$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:45:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:45:33 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2007 01:45:30.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BF2B270:01C7EDCC] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0534441c-f095-48f3-ae35-fc61f0e5554b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46DB678D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I suppose if you do both, meaning the online and DVD it would be like "Double Indemnity." Can't hurt! Sg in AZ P.S. Where are you in Iowa? I was born and raised (partly) in Iowa City....if it didn't get so dang cold, I'd move back in a heart beat! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? I always worry about losing all my family > and research photos from a hard drive crash. There are lots of ways to > loose > and/or damage CDs in storage. I thought of an on-line storage facility as > a > back up? Anyone have bad experiences with those? > > Denise > Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 3 00:42:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l834gbB9017172 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:42:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l834gc4w003148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:42:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l834g52C009077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l834g1hP041803; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l834fxVk041757 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumeraz@qwest.net) Received: from mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.6]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 109F41A9829 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 04:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-68-160.phnx.qwest.net (HELO acer2e68c49b20) (130.13.68.160) by mpls-pop-06.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2007 04:41:58 -0000 From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The links appear to be 'doubled'. Just highlight a portion of the link, from http: through .htm. Copy that portion of the link and paste it to your browser. Laurie T. Phoenix -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:47 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A few fabric sources to check out. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Saragrace, > These links dont work for me, i think something is wrong with your > puter because often your links you send dont work. > > Bjarne > > > This linen source says it has Belgium linen. These are good prices if > that is the case. > > http://threadpro.com/linen.htm > > Threads has all its advertiser websites, listed here. > http://www.taunton.com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp .com/threads/pages/th_adindex.asp> > > You need to learn how to read the HTML links. If you look at the two lines of text you will see 'http://' followed by a string of characters that ends with 'htm' or 'asp'. This is the link. Sara's email program pasted the link in _twice_, trying to be helpful, and it messed up the way that computers read the text and recognize links, so that when you clicked you got an error. If you read carefully, you can see the error where it is repeated. If you take the part that starts 'http' and ends 'htm' or 'asp' and copy it into your browser address window, it will work. A lot of times email mangles links, but if you know what to look for you can pull out the correct address and find the web page. 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Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 3 22:29:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l842TMxL014503 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:29:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l842TNWd026614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:29:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l842SA7F093312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l842S2LV021003; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l842RwNO020893 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ISO5B-0008Kd-En for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:24:01 -0400 Received: from 4.90.63.253 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:27:50 -0400 Message-ID: <20670858.1188872871160.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:27:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVC To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69c8c2cf8f5712c359e52085ee7a7ec65685709c4405726f5b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] EUREKA!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e883d389-cfa9-4213-bac0-ded5f4bee2f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46DCC303.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, All- Third time's charmed it's been said and this is the third time I've sent this message. Thanks to all, especially Andrea, Dawn, De, Fran and Sharon and any whom I've missed for your help and good advice. I got IT! Last nite (that would have been 8-26-7). I'd looked up Calgary Stampede but couldn't get through the links on this crazy, slow dial-up (which actually turned out to be the fault of a bad part up the telepole across the hwy.) Looked Bandera Stompede, which apparently no longer exists, and then got a brilliant! Looked up 'western cocktail dresses' - got Asian and Indo references and also som American western cocktail duds. There IT was. Black, sheer short skirt, one shoulder, one short sleeve, tight bodiced dress. I'll give her a slave bracelet and maybe add some gold fringe to 'trash' it a bit. You are wonderful. I needed to move on to renderings and just couldn't budge until this was right. Floozy and her POSILQ are outrageous and blatant and must look it. And Dawn, this is a beer and bible area. I think I could only offend others if I hung a big gold cross around her neck. Thank you, thank you. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 3 22:54:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l842sb9o014962 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:54:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l842scNr029417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l842s3pN096688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l842s29W044652; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l842rxg5044526 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070904025354.JPHH14604.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:53:54 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.213]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id k2tt1X00H4cxKws0000000; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:53:53 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: FW: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c7ee9e$d25e7e40$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcftmH61rBl4HbW6S0mlafkexh+regAT22fwABrulPAAEqoiIA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73effe0d-d10b-4dff-87f9-8fe93b048343 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46DCC8EE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Gary F. Moeller [mailto:Gary@levelup.hrcoxmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:01 PM To: 'Anne Moeller' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? The bit about quality CDs is 100% accurate. Stay with the quality brands and they will last longer. An external hard drive (HDD) is an excellent secondary backup idea. Studies have shown that if HDDs are stored properly and treated with respect, they will actually last longer than CDs. Redundancy is the key here. For instance, my pictures are stored redundantly on at least three computers, work, home & laptop, as well as on CDs. Flash drives are another option for those with a limited budget. 4 GB flash drives are now under $60. External hard drives are under $100. Lots of choices out there. Pick one or two and run with it. Gary F. Moeller President Compu-Zoo of Virginia Beach, Inc. dba Compu Zoo Computers -----Original Message----- From: Anne Moeller [mailto:ladyanne@quik.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:14 PM To: garreth@cox.net Subject: FW: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? Any comments or suggestions I can pass on? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I was reading on another list where folks were losing image data on CDs that > were only 3-4 years old. Anyone else have this problem? > My husband stores a lot of data on CDs and DVDs, and has had data loss issues. His current solution is to buy brand name quality disks. After trial and error with several brands, he's settled on Memorex. It seems to be holding up the best over time. My method is to have redundant backups. My web server is backed up onto CDs and onto another hard drive within our network. If I lose something, I have two chances of replacing it. I make new CD backups every year or two. I should do that more often, but... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/984 - Release Date: 9/2/2007 12:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/984 - Release Date: 9/2/2007 12:59 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 3 23:11:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l843BkfR015455 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:11:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l843Bigc025682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:11:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l843BAh1098919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l843B9bl059762; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l843B5Va059598 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=cy137+OSiuL7SIDZi4+sruL+m7doydE7nAmESDdgtXUcoz6FN1Pj6SLP90vR0Goj; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ISOod-0005dW-T4 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:11:00 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070903220514.02857080@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:06:38 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200709031800.l83I0B4I041433@net.indra.com> References: <200709031800.l83I0B4I041433@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e535332c537dfa4e54a30555d8516293734a26831c8002e745e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 406 & 407 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d71f19fc-a9f9-42fe-8997-f02ea6cf31b4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46DCCCF0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Can someone please forward me H-cost digests 406 & 407? They disappeared into the ether somewhere. TIA, Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 3 23:34:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l843YC4A015854 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:34:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l843YD7Y022229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l843Wmov002052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l843WgBb079785; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l843WXCV079611 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-tst2 [10.24.12.17]) by ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l843WPRr000849 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JNT006LQR6113@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.105] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:32:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:32:25 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? In-reply-to: <001e01c7ee9e$d25e7e40$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <900cb69d105b2.105b2900cb69d@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <001e01c7ee9e$d25e7e40$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 313e643f-69fc-4e88-8b4e-008ade475e10 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46DCD235.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Redundancy is your friend! kate ----- Original Message ----- > Flash drives are another option for those with a limited budget. 4 GB flash drives > are now under $60. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 4 00:07:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8447sHY016761 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:07:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8447t9t004596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:07:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8447KA1006727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8447EeA014586; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8447AjJ014512 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1ISPgy3I2n-0007Lo; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:07:10 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c7eea9$047e53a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46DB104C.6070604@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:06:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+W5jF4mL1eO9hcm5RAgdHQGXnHRL6NXlikROq +tW760fBMzY1E8nIpZdf6mGkLhqn5Yu5o/uYUdQ5Mb0b8yceOT ZzHq1uruCX8045C3uaQHA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b69ca9c9-bdce-4405-8798-dba6539d6b7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46DCDA1B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I really do not trust CDs. It is so easy to scratch them. Funny, we were just talking about the old zip drives and external tape backups last week. I agree about redundancy! I keep important files backed up on two computers, an external hard drive, and a secure area under password protection. I was backing up on three computers, but retired one last January. My websites' host offers so much space for the plan that it is ridiculous not to use it. They also back up my websites daily in two locations, Philadelphia and NYC. Backing up in two different locations was really important to me. The business that once hosted my sites in Pensacola, Florida took a direct hit from Hurricane Ivan while I was in England. It took two weeks to find out that the building was destroyed. I finally had someone from their local newspaper go check the location. It took two months to gather the info from our computers and pull the sites back up. Once in a blue moon, I run across a webpage of mine with a missing image from that mess. I really don't trust backing up three times because I had all three backups fail within a few days. What a nightmare! If you pick an online service for backup, please make sure that the company is backing up daily and preferably in two different states or countries. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 4 01:10:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l845AgWW018551 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 01:10:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l845AgAa012421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 01:10:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l842sZEc096851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:54:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l842sZCV045179; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:54:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l842sVoF045061 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070904025426.MWOT21807.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:54:26 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.213]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id k2uR1X00N4cxKws0000000; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:54:25 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: FW: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c7ee9e$e548b7a0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcftzKiI92Yu3hjjSkGEykPH5+ty0gAG2YrgABsZ0VAAEpmhIA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7748483-4e40-474c-8ca2-4de990e4c281 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46DCE8D2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Gary F. Moeller [mailto:Gary@levelup.hrcoxmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:05 PM To: 'Anne Moeller' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? On-line storage is an excellent way to guarantee that you won't lose data. However, it can be expensive. They are really designed for business use. Off-line storage in the form of an external HDD is probably best. The key is redundancy. For archival purposes, an external HDD kept off-site, preferably in a safe would be the safest. One should also have the data on other hard drives too. Whichever HDD you put the data on, don't forget the maintenance on the HDD before storing the data; i.e., defragging the drive! This will ensure the best possible write process when storing the data. Gary F. Moeller President Compu-Zoo of Virginia Beach, Inc. dba Compu Zoo Computers -----Original Message----- From: Anne Moeller [mailto:ladyanne@quik.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:14 PM To: garreth@cox.net Subject: FW: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? More on the same subject. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? I suppose if you do both, meaning the online and DVD it would be like "Double Indemnity." Can't hurt! Sg in AZ P.S. Where are you in Iowa? I was born and raised (partly) in Iowa City....if it didn't get so dang cold, I'd move back in a heart beat! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Archival problems on DVD/CD? I always worry about losing all my family > and research photos from a hard drive crash. There are lots of ways to > loose > and/or damage CDs in storage. I thought of an on-line storage facility as > a > back up? Anyone have bad experiences with those? > > Denise > Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/984 - Release Date: 9/2/2007 12:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7cae4cb-3d79-42e1-aa1f-d223545333e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46DDD8CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For those of you in the area, where would you go for a good selection at a decent price? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 4 18:16:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l84MGofq002138 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:16:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l84MGpEr026099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l84MGR6Y079827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l84MGOqd038609; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l84MGJoH038396 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ISgdB-0004EM-DM for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:12:21 -0400 Received: from 207.69.137.14 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:16:13 -0400 Message-ID: <12846569.1188944174195.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:16:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVC To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69ead63474cf80da7a7c8f0c1d2aa5d074c6b317bf5bc479bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] #406.407 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21a0feac-1841-4e27-b615-c6464df7c154 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46DDD953.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 4 21:40:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l851eLfm006187 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:40:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l851eMcB008056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:40:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l851cc7S006153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l851cWkh040519; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l851cRKY040428 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200709050138.l851cRKY040428@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 3675 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2007 18:38:27 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 3187, pid: 3644, t: 6.1194s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2007 18:38:21 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:35:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] fake fur in Sacramento, CA? 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 4 22:18:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l852IlLx006826 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:18:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l852ImIP030718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:18:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l852I4VF011547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:18:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l852I27p080415; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l852Hwvm080343 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.146] (sjs-130-65-37-146.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.146]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l852HurO023025 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200709050138.l851cRKY040428@net.indra.com> References: <46DDD86D.9000104@reddawn.net> <200709050138.l851cRKY040428@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <72BEFC78-53E4-49F2-B7A3-6FB067D920AC@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] fake fur in Sacramento, CA? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:17:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 911cbdd0-cfb2-433f-a5ee-54887714fabc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46DE1208.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 4, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 03:13 PM 9/4/2007, you wrote: >> For those of you in the area, where would you go for a good >> selection at a decent price? >> >> Dawn > > I have not found any local Sacramento source for anything other > than very inexpensive fake fur. If I were looking for decent fake > fur, I'd try on-line sources. You can always request samples > before placing an order. I've found Hancock's to often have good (if somewhat expensive) fake fur. I don't know, though, if there are any Hancock's left in Sacramento after the big reorganization. Otherwise I'd suggest doing a run to San Francisco. Discount Fabrics (4 shops around town, the one in the Haight is pretty good, and the one in the SOMA is huge) has always had a good selection of fake fur. Mendel's Art (also in the Haight, about 3 doors down from Discount) has great fake fur. Online, check out Monterey Mills . Their website is frightening, but their product is excellent. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 4 22:37:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l852b48m007182 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:37:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l852b5sr000951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:37:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l852a7Hi015567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l852a47r099853; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l852a015099707 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=D3KAuaFDHF7Y5VubMAaaor925XO/Pf5cD9llrE7jbo1pYA6aooaeCespC/QcY8JI; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.160.119.205] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1ISkkF-0005mf-CM for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:35:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork in Lady in Green Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:33:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c37d38c8ed822e6d53f9b61f38382becc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.160.119.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dff1ab8-6b85-4a5b-b4a9-fc0477c38080 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46DE1651.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Aug 30, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Frau Anna Bleucher wrote: > In the 16th Century, many blackwork designs were created to display > a different pattern on the reverse side. I expect this is an > example of this work. To duplicate without learning the specific > stitch pattern, two layers will be required. In this case, considering that one side of the embroidery is "arabesques" -- a curling leaf and vine pattern -- and the other side is a simple diamond grid, I think two layers of cloth is a more likely explanation. These patterns have such completely different structure that I can't think of any way that working one on one side of the cloth could produce the other pattern on the other side. Most, if not all, of the blackwork patterns I've seen that do have different sides are pure counted-thread double running stitch. They are not this kind of flowing, curvy line thing, which was more likely worked in stem stitch or other "line" stitches. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 14:22:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85IMefQ029956 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:22:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85IMfg6017772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85IJB6w083419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85IHxWk098504; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from c-spam-01.awin.com (c-spam-01.awin.com [204.13.216.10]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85IHj6b097667 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tori.Ruhl@awin.com) Received: from AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com (unverified [10.200.20.102]) by c-spam-01.awin.com (TMA SMTPRS 4.4.568.30) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:18:58 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 10.200.20.102=OK;Tori.Ruhl@awin.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 10.200.20.102=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 10.200.20.102=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from INET3-MTA by AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:17:20 -0700 Message-Id: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:16:58 -0700 From: "Tori Ruhl" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0b8bffd-820a-419c-b28b-f4c115a0d6be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46DEF3F1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(best way to layer, attach...etc) - Tori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 14:41:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85IfuWM030993 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:41:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85Ifv1W032030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:42:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85IevJs087064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:40:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85Iceje024751; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85IaiTU022519 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 600604854-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.62.27 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAIGU3kZPSD4b/2dsb2JhbACBWQ Received: from 79-72-62-27.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.62.27]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2007 19:36:38 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070905193040.0331ffc0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:36:38 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume In-Reply-To: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> References: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 737cd78b-2c62-4b4d-b925-834d1a05b679 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46DEF875.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:16 05/09/2007, you wrote: >What feathers are best for sewing onto fabric in order to get a nice >sleek look? >The project is going to consist of a sheath type dress, covered in feathers. >I don't have any experience working with them, so advice is greatly >appreciated. >(best way to layer, attach...etc) Not for a sleek look, but when I made the two peacock feather cloaks, http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/p10043022.html which comprised peacock feathers on silk organza, I sewed through the "stalk" (don't remember the proper name) and then again through the feathers near the top. You have to ruffle the feathers - sorry! - in order to hide the thread, but this is not difficult. You will need a lot of feathers to cover completely, as you will need to overlap them, I think. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 15:06:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85J6UtH032171 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:06:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85J6VjI028413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:06:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85J5iHW091211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85J5Njl059152; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:05:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta16.adelphia.net (mta16.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85J5GeM058822 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.86.24]) by mta16.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20070905190509.YGFJ16499.mta16.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:05:09 -0400 Message-ID: <7A500CB6D3BA44BCA8A960FEBFD18A1A@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070905193040.0331ffc0@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070905193040.0331ffc0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:05:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16480 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0835de69-da01-438d-a951-835d68d66dac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46DEFE37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume > At 19:16 05/09/2007, you wrote: >>What feathers are best for sewing onto fabric in order to get a nice sleek >>look? >>The project is going to consist of a sheath type dress, covered in >>feathers. >>I don't have any experience working with them, so advice is greatly >>appreciated. >>(best way to layer, attach...etc) > > > Not for a sleek look, but when I made the two peacock feather cloaks, > http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/p10043022.html which comprised peacock > feathers on silk organza, I sewed through the "stalk" (don't remember the > proper name) and then again through the feathers near the top. You have to > ruffle the feathers - sorry! - in order to hide the thread, but this is > not difficult. You will need a lot of feathers to cover completely, as you > will need to overlap them, I think. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 15:53:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85JrXDn001966 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:53:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85JrXQB023895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:53:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85JpmMJ098610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85Jpb3r019896; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:51:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85JpFZI019299 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:51:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id CB7052E839A for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 5778B2E8399 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23361 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:51:13 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:50:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7A500CB6D3BA44BCA8A960FEBFD18A1A@Gilbert> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume Thread-Index: Acfv78EnCj9/W64FTnqhKvH+iQd76AABc8VQ References: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com><7.0.1.0.2.20070905193040.0331ffc0@suziclarke.co.uk> <7A500CB6D3BA44BCA8A960FEBFD18A1A@Gilbert> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ff1b130-182e-490b-ab38-8a38d6f03c93 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46DF093E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cindy Abel =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 16:33:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85KXUb7004059 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:33:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85KXW2u026177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:33:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85KWX8J004902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85KWTqS072257; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85KUX9i069959 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.146] (sjs-130-65-37-146.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.146]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85KURrO019866 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> References: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <852F6104-5339-4E05-8CC8-01626B5DFA94@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:30:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6afc3835-3157-4587-9218-dd8d33fb635d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46DF129C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 5, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Tori Ruhl wrote: > What feathers are best for sewing onto fabric in order to get a > nice sleek look? > The project is going to consist of a sheath type dress, covered in > feathers. > I don't have any experience working with them, so advice is greatly > appreciated. > (best way to layer, attach...etc) I'd go with 4-6" ostrich drabs (body feathers) . They're flexible and sturdy, so they would hold up pretty well on a dress. They're available in many colors, and if you're going for dark colors you could just buy the naturals cheap and dye them yourself with acid dye. As to how to attach? In horizontal tiers from the bottom to the top. Stitch the shafts down to your fabric with a strong thread (carpet thread or artificial sinew) using a glover's needle that you can punch through the shaft. To avoid having obvious straight lines of feather tips (even if they're not exactly the same length), you may want to do a zig-zag or sawtooth-wave tier pattern instead of a straight horizontal line. Another good (and perhaps more economical) layout would be to do it in a scale pattern. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 16:45:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85Kj4mn004548 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:45:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85Kj652027349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:45:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85KiELA006218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85Ki70d085445; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l85Kgok8083970 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98612 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2007 20:42:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mqvj9+Hrdvznc7Rf6S2VG2PWzbwQrxlUUSWf4SQ95JUdK/WyhQpcHXyqSjPJILHuVksyOR73gKX0IDm5CGCbWOIZuc12UcKPSbYaHw9WOs+rmdCpKM2cVaXsFcJuM+jj3tHcq+T0YwBf30UDJpCCqjHgvL882G+7z22uWZ0CTPI=; X-YMail-OSG: P.WOiYgVM1nVr1sl8DWc36ONmvlLVWv0TZuMLdzeYePzbK7eZlAtSI.nR4exOwTCRr7SK2F1QuRRGXsEXq_v6swI5aGCqAqz5ZzyMQqYYqbmzKHOAgOq7kUco9O5K3q.wQnTkqb3OqwzFII- Received: from [63.78.234.233] by web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:42:35 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <529492.97592.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Life magazine from 1939 and 1952 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8381d03-5f28-4c92-927a-50ef73328bfa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46DF1552.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheers, Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 18:05:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85M5iao006913 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:05:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85M5QX4009264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:05:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85M43ub015602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85M3vVm072123; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85M3rRt072034 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumeraz@qwest.net) Received: from mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.11]) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id D70311A9907 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-68-160.phnx.qwest.net (HELO acer2e68c49b20) (130.13.68.160) by mpls-pop-11.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2007 21:36:54 -0000 From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Life magazine from 1939 and 1952 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:36:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <529492.97592.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acfv/3AdCLZfMiMTQRW2pOeIZoNsOgABUA1w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20070905213654.D70311A9907@mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e1e952e-dbf3-4b16-b3cf-41b46007b1e8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46DF2827.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Mary, if no one else has responded, I'd be very interested. I teach costume history and am always looking for materials that can serve as primary sources for a period. Besides that, I just love the old magazines. Laurie Taylor Applied Arts & Human Sciences Phoenix College 1202 West Thomas Road Phoenix, AZ 85013 (602) 285-7294 (leave message) (480) 560-7016 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Mary Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:43 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Life magazine from 1939 and 1952 In cleaning out the vault at work I came across two issues of Life Magazines from 1939 and 1952. The cover article for the 1952 is the "The $3 Billion Wedding Business". There are some neat pictures of crinolines thought the one of a guy messing with a silk dress while smoking is scary. The ads in both issues are facinating. Would anyone be interested in these? My boss is entirely unsentimental and I don't have room at home to take on another era. Cheers, Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 18:11:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85MBvgf007231 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:11:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85MBwu7017748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:12:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85MBE1I016450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:11:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85MBD9f080176; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [216.148.227.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85MB85o079983 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070905221102m1500t7i90e>; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:11:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <529492.97592.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <529492.97592.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5040cd4d51b036b0c02119502390ce76@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Life magazine from 1939 and 1952 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:11:02 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6534fbae-cd19-4165-8e4f-d5f091eeb20f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46DF29AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would, if you havent already gotten a bunch of replies. Sylvia On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Mary wrote: > In cleaning out the vault at work I came across two > issues of Life Magazines from 1939 and 1952. The cover > article for the 1952 is the "The $3 Billion Wedding > Business". There are some neat pictures of crinolines > thought the one of a guy messing with a silk dress > while smoking is scary. The ads in both issues are > facinating. > > Would anyone be interested in these? My boss is > entirely unsentimental and I don't have room at home > to take on another era. > > Cheers, > Mary > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 19:36:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85NaCng010277 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:36:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l85NaDj3032019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:36:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l85NYuVm029814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85NYnhN076127; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l85NYjdG076021 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09675 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:40:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:40:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More info on my lectures in Oregon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d43aec0-0797-4b36-aefd-459c5e27a235 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46DF3D6D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Forward at will. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 20:22:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l860M5YS011334 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:22:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l860M695024542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:22:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l860LNjf035152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:21:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l860LLRx018192; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l860LIJ6018119 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200709060021.l860LIJ6018119@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 1887 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2007 17:21:17 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 1308, pid: 1817, t: 9.0861s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 5 Sep 2007 17:21:08 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:17:56 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Newsletter 09-05-07 Web Site Fabric Liquidation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca2e5b38-17fd-4beb-93f2-d7a9a0dd9d0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46DF482E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I thought that the members of these two lists (sorry for any duplications) would be interested in helping the company liquidate its inventory. ;-) Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 20:53:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l860rLPH012197 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:53:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l860rMQ1019474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l860q9ae038619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:52:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l860q2T6044733; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l860pvQt044584 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c03.179796db (29672) for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:51:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 357e2fb5-22c1-4947-8885-0c63772fdd9c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46DF4F82.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 21:40:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l861eFTD013667 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:40:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l861eEcS007986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:40:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l861ddqO044902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:39:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l861dakH082993; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l861dMRs082735 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:39:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.111]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:39:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:39:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:39:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.183.230] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200709060021.l860LIJ6018119@net.indra.com> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Newsletter 09-05-07 Web Site Fabric Liquidation Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:39:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 01:39:17.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCED4BC0:01C7F026] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1d8bcbd-866f-45fb-ae4c-6722bea1d532 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46DF5A7F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 5 22:26:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l862Qrc2014640 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:26:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l862QsJJ028379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:26:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l862PVIb053322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l862PSFs023028; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:25:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l862PPJg022975 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:25:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.28.17] (core-dc-3-17.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.28.17]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l862PHTf016322 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:25:18 -0700 Message-ID: <46DF65B2.2080004@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:28:02 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Using Feathers in Costume References: <46DE902A0200005E0002A27B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> <852F6104-5339-4E05-8CC8-01626B5DFA94@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <852F6104-5339-4E05-8CC8-01626B5DFA94@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5bb9feb-9ca9-4c1e-b911-2e47f68ff791 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46DF656E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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She will be presenting the following lectures: The Gothic Fitted Dress The Greenland Gored Gown The 15th-Century V-Neck Gown When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources Saintly Inspiration: Using Medieval Religious Figures for Costume Research Sunday, October 21, we'll be graced with the creative genius of Tammy Dupuis (SCA: Laurellen de Brandevin), from The Renaissance Tailor. She holds a Bachelor's degree from Montana State University in Anthropology/ Archeaology and has published articles in several costume newsletters both nationally and internationally over the last decade. She will be presenting the following lecture: European Pattern Development and Dissemination from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance; Extant Evidence from the Costumers Guilds Detailed descriptions of the lectures and registration information and forms can be found at our website: www.costumetalk. com. Seating is LIMITED for this great weekend, and preregistration is required--please register early and secure your spot! This is NOT an SCA event, and is not sponsored by any SCA branch. Questions? Check out the website! Jonna Hayden (SCA -Dame Fearga Kavanagh) Jamie Parker (SCA - Dame Karis Pursey --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 08:26:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86CQqQ7015704 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:26:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l86CQsKD029108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:26:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86CPfvJ066559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86CPaTj040759; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86CPW4X040629 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:26:34 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Life magazine from 1939 and 1952 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:26:34 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02451D10@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <529492.97592.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Life magazine from 1939 and 1952 Thread-Index: Acfv/dRRZ4zE+ZiyTWCZF0HVpKhMhAAg0QAg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 12:26:34.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[299163B0:01C7F081] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17376ac5-5e98-4d14-b6f9-ce43843510a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46DFF20E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Who was looking for wedding prices from the 50's? Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Mary Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:43 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Life magazine from 1939 and 1952 In cleaning out the vault at work I came across two issues of Life Magazines from 1939 and 1952. The cover article for the 1952 is the "The $3 Billion Wedding Business". There are some neat pictures of crinolines thought the one of a guy messing with a silk dress while smoking is scary. The ads in both issues are facinating. Would anyone be interested in these? My boss is entirely unsentimental and I don't have room at home to take on another era.=20 Cheers, Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 10:23:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86ENqGB019161 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:23:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l86ENpC6031883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:23:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86EMPsV001066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86EKDkL078828; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86EK9NE078617 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:20:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:19:37 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l86EJbf88569 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:19:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 06 Sep 2007 09:19:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:19:35 -0500 References: <200705281800.l4SI04rc021955@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:19:17 -0500 Message-ID: <46DFC615.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200705281800.l4SI04rc021955@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anniversary Update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2faa1ff-8dcd-47c7-b869-92cad0c57985 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E00D78.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just wanted to thank everyone again for their help with the 1957 resources. The 50th anniversary party was everything the In-Laws had wanted. My SiL prepped the "priceless" poster and it was over the guestbook where it got quite a lot of chuckles. The ring pillow I made from the 1957 dress was also a hit. There is now interest from the sisters-in-law of perhaps preserving the remaining scraps as sachets. Glad I didn't take the dress apart and use it for a costume years ago as my MiL had originally suggested I do :). Thanks again! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 15:40:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86Je2fD028216 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:40:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l86Je34l023860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:40:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86Jc7fn002992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86JbuVi005625; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86Jbr1O005545 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so213053nze for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:37:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Obn72aGUjpR3qSpMF3+q3E0wxjx1xT3UIDeGFxIER/I=; b=C8fDHs03tdrx48OcMxvX09HXNLItuedowha3GLTZt3KcM2rr4PhDQa85/8z5SyL+0iVBYf3FlLG46jqZ7ElY9hDULd+toNvYgIL7g5CFkqUZgdlEisUng2fi+MH7/r9vrg2lc82t7S4Xor6RhIq3+JMTzGdLDvszg4WE59ScRZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Hih1iJwhc+/soDVeYxzQqxmI1Yyog6vM5IyQomu9dIAYeaVC/ptDK4r5PE6eW9a7n/dXh7lYjjTFt+oTuIgMilRVFoaADY4oFyjfKeP9kfwQpeIY+us1it3yB1pBAvKpg9yqYhfvfNR98ivUShEA955UOw8mC6bWn5KEcz60LLs= Received: by 10.143.158.16 with SMTP id k16mr49398wfo.1189107471730; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:37:51 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume brag books online X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdaf7bef-0496-4d51-95aa-20d6f2684d2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E05793.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Way back when h-costume first started (mid-90s) we had to plan lunch in a local restaurant & bring photo albums. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 16:03:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86K38wr029031 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:03:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l86K39Ze005034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86K0LP8009900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:00:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86K0H6K036252; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail01.unl.edu (webmail01.unl.edu [129.93.1.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86K0E2c036084 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail01.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l86K09W03727 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:00:09 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online Message-ID: <1189108809.46e05c4978f5a@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:00:09 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 865e90bb-3ee3-42e5-ae08-8dc93c024bec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E05CFD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It's not at all comprehensive, and is now a year out of date, but my online portfolio has some of my work in it. http://anvil.unl.edu/emma Emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 16:13:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86KDTrn029393 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:13:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l86KDUms013965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:13:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86KCorA013968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86KCkEB052708; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:12:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86KCfjc052503 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so153835wri for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:12:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=kj/+J3qDjNGr1NcWkAb+8irrUSFSbx+lwOnPCZDiXYo=; b=GXXccsV7xaDVsKFouI7W/7UDsn81ouA9NECOapRARQvBOyO5qbEUqtSAZOSKqf/GgPU5VZJHd/WvlwVnNWRUo2mveq9oWZfWM9KxSsFINB+L2V51pLzyx+vXfDTIxRcPlQ9I6dTMNrS6ACBoE2LbQuo/B++YoAnlIq5HWZJTKME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=C1/wuH6vEcKjX49+sKT0G87TgpHikW8hsX0FRWf6bassOr8ScRsjx+hJtFah7aZPv3W8I7wdI0KN3NxMMePgKJhgJMvi9gnQKbbMah2Pxj0dTqrlcsVNXqGVtwZ1Nc9vl3TKeOgAOKqH+pN1Vgq8VYvD1aHM6XgOaIjBywACiU0= Received: by 10.100.42.7 with SMTP id p7mr1171901anp.1189109555700; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.51.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m6sm8220804wrm.2007.09.06.13.12.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume brag books online Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfwveex+b7AR10iQH6UBJL6CmpwsgAA15/Q Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <46e05f31.0627360a.74bb.ffffbd75@mx.google.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d230ddf0-036e-40d6-8e36-27f0585701da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E05F6A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have attempted to start one on several services but all have failed. The latest attempt has been on LiveJournal.com. But in the end I always end up just posting them on my personal site. http://www.glove.org/gallery/default.php I share this gallery with other glove makers so you can view all our work. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:38 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Costume brag books online Dear h-costumers, Suzi's peacock feather cloak reminds me that I've been meaning to ask if anyone else has online costume brag books they'd like to share. It's nice to see the work and the faces behind the email addresses. Way back when h-costume first started (mid-90s) we had to plan lunch in a local restaurant & bring photo albums. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 16:17:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86KHl6J029600 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:17:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l86KHmEM031060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:17:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86KGJ1M015159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86KGITb057377; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86KGESQ057182 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070906151955.FLAN4104.fep35.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:19:55 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.178]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070906151955.GMEK13502.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:19:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c7f099$735b3c10$b214a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:20:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.178] at Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:19:51 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] neck tie cravat. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9650f1d-6e98-47f9-8e73-258343a2670f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E0606C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a very nice wide cotton lace wich i would like to make into a neck tie cravat. But what do i do with the lace raw edges? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 19:08:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86N8pPM002923 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:08:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l86N8qae021994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:08:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86N73tr069020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86N6smC086348; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86N6Ti4085922 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so299546rvf for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:06:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Q6bNgv4xuBsrOA4wm0KaJ24914ASVhc/Tt0j1GtBXLI=; b=UAB53QEnowoS/gA7Nx8XKwHPSGoxXbCWSBXRauxT/gsDEW29DUWDQ+U10IF7Aor9D4iya79Ovl8VTyNKKH/iav+Lkmd/gEI9PT2kwvOHZWAfssxu7tALiH/0uN1yjHA6Vwpyjs3kjMqBpFCvVJaUa8+kfzf2msFNQaSLuq7sVvI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eMyhxKEy3P92wjgMrMPgmK/8y3E5XfB3qgznrvzGrHZWDFeGfv1j/lTfD2ucJ1UBUxshw2bWeTiSI03MLPRph/o4d4l56PdFoaJekBnPxnafSf8/mAqNIVx3XJxsRCL2CiNw4QQy+1yXMN0F6hDwNNd+ydB0nIBGT5pKECW0pJQ= Received: by 10.141.98.6 with SMTP id a6mr32075rvm.1189119988688; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.42.1 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0709061606t4e1b888bi1f98944603016444@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:06:28 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 247a44f1-84ef-4691-9270-91031c0dc2f5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E08884.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Suzi's peacock feather cloak reminds me that I've been meaning to ask > if anyone else has online costume brag books they'd like to share. > It's nice to see the work and the faces behind the email addresses. > Way back when h-costume first started (mid-90s) we had to plan lunch > in a local restaurant & bring photo albums. Yep:) Since 1999 but it's shifted about and had a few makeovers;) http://costumes.glittersweet.com Now off to go look at the links before me. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 19:29:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86NT9Ov003661 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:29:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l86NTA4k014555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l86NSbEu072450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:28:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86NSaVT007854; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l86NSWb3007701 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA73FF553 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:28:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46E08D28.4050805@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:28:40 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73aeff94-b3fd-4bea-a90c-ac7ff865c35e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E08D46.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cin wrote: > Dear h-costumers, > Suzi's peacock feather cloak reminds me that I've been meaning to ask > if anyone else has online costume brag books they'd like to share. www.reddawn.net/costume/gallery.htm And where was yours again? :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 22:22:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l872MhCS008816 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:22:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l872MiiO021374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:22:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l872LP3m098309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l872LJrS069704; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:21:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l872LGpk069656 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:21:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.179.244.81]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JNZ00K1N7TPJRZ1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:21:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:21:05 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-id: <46E0B590.3030905@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of feathers in costumes... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a72b8baa-d5ac-4eb0-aa54-c99314dda0cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E0B5F4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, it was haute couture only as far back as 2002, but honestly, it's more of a costume than a "real" dress.... but the Smithsonian has a golden "Minerva" dress by Oscar de la Renta in the Treasures of American History exhibit (over in Air & Space while American History is closed)... If you want to see an *amazing* job of using feathers on a dress: http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/small_exhibition.cfm?key=1267&exkey=143&pagekey=221 Even those I point it out to who aren't into high fashion, costuming or sewing have generally given it a "wow" for the amount of work and skill that went into it. -Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 6 22:30:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l872UOJQ009070 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:30:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l872UPN3014550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:30:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l872U192000156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l872U01q078720; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:30:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1d.socket.net [216.106.88.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l872Tuiq078642 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 624E93B04D for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:29:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:30:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] portrait I came across, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac83b561-de28-4640-bf91-f1544b766fb1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E0B7C1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Notes, pictography & bibliography, plus appendices on making a bodice pattern, fabric sources. Costume & Dressmaker Press So do you know anything like this? Any hints will be very useful to me:-) --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 06:41:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87Af2m4017945 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:41:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87Af3J5028397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:41:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87AdhTG071411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 04:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87Ada0a009885; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 04:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87AdUS2009653 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 04:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 603845387-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.62.27 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAGTH4EZPSD4b/2dsb2JhbACBWg Received: from 79-72-62-27.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.62.27]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Sep 2007 11:39:20 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070907113754.033598b8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:39:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century In-Reply-To: <749034.98655.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <749034.98655.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05c867b5-5175-48e1-bfd7-31fd12743e30 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E12ABF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 09:14 07/09/2007, you wrote: >Does anyone of you know any good sources (books=20 >or websites) on peasant and lower-class clothing=20 >in the 16th or 17th century? All books say lots=20 >and lots about court and aristocratic dresses,=20 >but no one obviously cares about peasants. The=20 >only thing I could find seems to be completely unavailable: > >Well-Dressed Peasant: 16th Century=20 >Flemish Workingwomen's Dress =AD Temp out of stock > Drea Leed. Author describes her research=20 > into various aspects of the garments, then=20 > details construction, including very simple=20 > patterns. Tr pb, saddle-stapled, 76pp. Color=20 > covers & inside covers, 4 color=20 > interior plates, numerous b/w photos of=20 > period art showing working women's=20 > garments. Notes, pictography & bibliography,=20 > plus appendices on making a bodice pattern,=20 > fabric sources. Costume & Dressmaker Press > >So do you know anything like this? Any hints will be very useful to me:-) Have you tried "The Tudor Tailor" ? http://www.tudortailor.com/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 07:14:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87BERq0020348 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:14:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87BETCs023353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:14:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87BDj5g075389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:13:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87BDeoa038111; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87BDauX037971 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.120]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 04:13:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 04:13:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:13:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.168.130] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <749034.98655.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 04:13:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2007 11:13:30.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F5DA420:01C7F140] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6ca3aa2-eb2c-48ce-b13a-e664a7016b5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E13295.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO These are both on Drea's website, there's more there but I don't have time to do it right now. I may have other sites, etc bookmarked and will look later if no one else sugggests them first. http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/secondhandclothes.html Laurie >From: Zuzana Kraemerova >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume >Subject: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:14:00 -0700 (PDT) > >Does anyone of you know any good sources (books or websites) on peasant and >lower-class clothing in the 16th or 17th century? All books say lots and >lots about court and aristocratic dresses, but no one obviously cares about >peasants. The only thing I could find seems to be completely unavailable: > >Well-Dressed Peasant: 16th Century Flemish Workingwomen's Dress – Temp >out of stock > Drea Leed. Author describes her research into various aspects of the >garments, then details construction, including very simple patterns. Tr pb, > saddle-stapled, 76pp. Color covers & inside covers, 4 color interior >plates, numerous b/w photos of period art showing working women's garments. > Notes, pictography & bibliography, plus appendices on making a bodice >pattern, fabric sources. Costume & Dressmaker Press > >So do you know anything like this? Any hints will be very useful to me:-) > > >--------------------------------- >Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! >TV. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 08:36:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87CaK8w023227 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:36:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87CaLXq025735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:36:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87CZ6ww090118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87CZ0Dd019224; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:35:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87CYu19019069 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.106]) by bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:34:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:34:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:34:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.168.130] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:34:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2007 12:34:51.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C259EF0:01C7F14B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 014f9dff-a97d-44f4-8eb1-1240eb57714f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E145C5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I guess these archives were the only other thing i had bookmarked, altho the gallery of working women's clothing on Drea's site is often the inspiration for these costumes. http://festiveattyre.com/feature/index.htm Laurie > >These are both on Drea's website, there's more there but I don't have time >to do it right now. I may have other sites, etc bookmarked and will look >later if no one else sugggests them first. > >http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ > >http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/secondhandclothes.html > >Laurie > _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ.  Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 09:01:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87D1A3X023923 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:01:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87D1Cu5000602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:01:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87D0EII097744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:00:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87D0Cgh047900; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:00:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l87D09Lw047741 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:00:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail13.dca.untd.com (webmail13.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.153]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABDQCTCAAWXTR4S for (sender ); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:29:52 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn77kpOpAUxDezaglNLtAhTthCrptgyNlz6A== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail13.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MW2M8F2E; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:29:48 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail13.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:29:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:29:37 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070907.072937.3758.0@webmail13.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3562792301 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 a8d14d85583131adb9ddd89d95ad289825ad983869812cf57959d959d84de89c4dc9b5b55d9c29892509a11d4d0dacf9d59c6c58583dcd856c0d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.153|webmail13.dca.untd.com|webmail13.dca.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-UNTD-STORE-INFO: URL_DOMAIN:www.cafemessenger.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9dd6b13-d049-4680-886e-00df87bad87b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E14B98.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO 'The Tudor Tailor' by Ninya Mikhaila has lots of styles that are either = working class or easily adaptable to working class. I believe it is read= ily available on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Tudor-Tailor-reconstructing-sixteenth-century/dp/0= 896762556/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/104-0545319-9158352?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dbooks&qid=3D= 1189168104&sr=3D1-1 = Karen Seamstrix = = -- "zelda crusher" wrote: These are both on Drea's website, there's more there but I don't have ti= me = to do it right now. I may have other sites, etc bookmarked and will loo= k = later if no one else sugggests them first. http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/secondhandclothes.html Laurie >From: Zuzana Kraemerova >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume >Subject: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:14:00 -0700 (PDT) > >Does anyone of you know any good sources (books or websites) on peasant= and = >lower-class clothing in the 16th or 17th century? All books say lots an= d = >lots about court and aristocratic dresses, but no one obviously cares a= bout = >peasants. The only thing I could find seems to be completely unavailabl= e: > >Well-Dressed Peasant: 16th Century Flemish Workingwomen's Dress =96 T= emp = >out of stock > Drea Leed. Author describes her research into various aspects of th= e = >garments, then details construction, including very simple patterns. Tr= pb, = > saddle-stapled, 76pp. Color covers & inside covers, 4 color interior= = >plates, numerous b/w photos of period art showing working women's garme= nts. = > Notes, pictography & bibliography, plus appendices on making a bodic= e = >pattern, fabric sources. Costume & Dressmaker Press > >So do you know anything like this? Any hints will be very useful to me:= -) > > >--------------------------------- >Ready for the edge of your seat? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Zuzana wrote: >Does anyone of you know any good sources (books or websites) on peasant and lower-class clothing in the >16th or 17th century? All books say lots and lots about court and aristocratic dresses, but no one obviously >cares about peasants. http://www.12eyes.co.uk/stays/ordwomen.htm is a brief document prepared for the Sealed Knot in the UK (reenacting 1640s) ______________________________________________________________________ Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 10:08:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87E8bwJ025587 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:08:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87E8cae000604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:08:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87DuJYr010920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87DuDZE017601; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l87CWFBI016164 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24656 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2007 12:32:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MvBXEcBjGTDEnK5kpLmo8+/MnVia0rhZKkqhRH9ys4vuAxQNR3bX63s6SZXw3K8T+jPI1jh0+Ms01HhcWO0s6NxujO5Cq5GJnzN9iIJGeYaOAtV+18sJgMxL6HSdyovGDTcCJERfFKvoMVque1g/ZemMt7PsRih5s5uhzrTn2ec=; X-YMail-OSG: m6rfX_wVM1k.mKg835E4QYPoPxJoBYWwkW0O1yv7c0GHe98Blt4pJNlU.tkUVmq4WOaKZrodkHPxE9X4r4qDf_S5e4UDKSRjUrvxjmMqZbtE_JVuV6tkem.6dTVUbQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:32:10 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070907113754.033598b8@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <194520.24502.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90fd7014-1380-415c-ad07-c79367ff54f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E15B66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, I have the Tudor tailor, it's currently the best thing I could find, but still I'd like to find something that goes more in detail (about lower-class dresses) and also something about 17th century (which might be quite a problem, maybe 18th century would not be very different - concerning peasants' dress???) Is this: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/flemish-dress.html the text that is also in the book "The well dressed peasant"? Or does the book contain more than is on the website? Thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? 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It's very out-of-date and not at = all comprehensive... but: http://www.icynic.com/~knowles/Constanza.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 11:40:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87Fe4a6027562 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:40:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87Fe4fD029517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:40:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87FboOo036096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87FbfZi049367; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l87FbaV2049130 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5901 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2007 15:37:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=b2O9eC8AUd2VsjF6JSKdyPYjq5HjLe6LcHbUxwUgcn31fvaBqIqatgfCYupvX+0CqXMtbr8rBFDBXA9n1u+eB3dXoan1HJOcGqIlheVHWr6DwoHfAto/L1yv89I07QWPgRAfM1j2G7zw9+v/KWcjQHTWSV8GnYfn0Zn/YBdarkY=; X-YMail-OSG: OFY.jhMVM1kT9ilK7CePpp7m73SuuTpJFctPReDYOTb.Kxk0Gokr2pVrqqTcMr9rRa5ItNXvifwQGEaAK1kzVpUgeGxbOlzpvpxVpLX_9ybf2yDr41nF1eL0xuHCzA-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:37:29 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <864141.2674.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef0f336b-8b30-45ac-b3ba-b98ec6a3f23c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E170D4.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 12:26:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87GQwsj028800 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:26:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87GR0pg010528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:27:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87GP1vw045889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:25:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87GOwDc009822; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l87GOrsf009614 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:24:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12038 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2007 16:24:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SYMuLdDNeLk8Hu96RL4jttzznFyWi9ErtDQbzypdUsBepdS7yfByOr4GxjOU4wwvi79ORBpoiGvXxF4xsJ22nknck7LyvvQT2G8p4awadu0IQZTfzK3HY6ewZaRT4IPMFQmeaZ2n0lQISexs7YXdNV/4xgycA4tvj8HfJuWOIu4=; X-YMail-OSG: dyp7_s4VM1kXh_tJu6VqyxlyI7q1KYr5Oj2FpVryeTDUKHqLt7Kp4.gHxX4vQur4REx6OXO6lMX0hEIccPv0PtUOs12pgk2DnCz8Hmj0g9jGn.BBKlU- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:24:48 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <265787.11632.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 457975d7-4440-44d0-bda9-803e4cb0a830 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E17BD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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A Gentlewoman's Warderobe Accounts http://www.kimiko1.com/warderobe.html Kimiko --- Cin wrote: > Dear h-costumers, > Suzi's peacock feather cloak reminds me that I've > been meaning to ask > if anyone else has online costume brag books they'd > like to share. > It's nice to see the work and the faces behind the > email addresses. > Way back when h-costume first started (mid-90s) we > had to plan lunch > in a local restaurant & bring photo albums. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 12:49:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87GnH88029389 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:49:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87GnJq3022514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:49:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87GlsjS050972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:47:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87GlmdX037877; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87GlP5R037176 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:47:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E229DFF7AF for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46E180A9.90301@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:47:37 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century References: <194520.24502.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <194520.24502.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b968b56-adeb-4604-b1c9-88f9d61a331d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E1810F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Paul Meekins' claims to have a copy for sale. http://www.paulmeekins.co.uk/cost/costindex.htm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 13:35:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87HZASe030265 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:35:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87HZBrN015945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:35:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87HYLtG061454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87HYJvP095753; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87HYHtA095663 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goodwifekate@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so551190rvf for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=39S434a+6mp1qX0aLaVpItfEyG3XSsmv0fFM9pOfeKc=; b=V/i9xaf3fotQ9geQQ6CmFzkOW3Hoo/XOR2eH6rftf+b9pB2LmOkyJc9DCA070JM8ET3rHYQaEJ5I/O4YRrfzATT32lfWeSk/VqCNYbZdfWGm5nbDCkysJIFjakkbzm/1lAhPcw20fN4GQgvQBI34kpGR9SYxIjR0peLOX3vmRAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rxg6ld6obUyCg8cVcUgv4CJyqNxwj0qf8LOqj5N47jwR4HecMSJzyJUqqFb7jK07KubpzVk6W/MWG6rdVr7JC+IdSJ5FOTahPE/92SItaTr9hncbnnYzyGUPR/o/UAwgeGJgKSKPu6SO6VfJy3lyQHc2ByNjM/5UQajTczvhPDM= Received: by 10.140.126.14 with SMTP id y14mr805594rvc.1189186452951; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.42.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:34:12 -0700 From: "Katie Grinn" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century In-Reply-To: <749034.98655.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <749034.98655.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1132817e-5885-4263-b26d-35346dfff689 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E18BD0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My favorite lower class/ peasant costuming website is www.tudorgroup.co.uk = . Lots of photos of the group in their handmade costumes. Really beautiful. -Katie On 9/7/07, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > Does anyone of you know any good sources (books or websites) on peasant > and lower-class clothing in the 16th or 17th century? All books say lots = and > lots about court and aristocratic dresses, but no one obviously cares abo= ut > peasants. The only thing I could find seems to be completely unavailable: > > Well-Dressed Peasant: 16th Century Flemish Workingwomen's Dress =96 Tem= p > out of stock > Drea Leed. Author describes her research into various aspects of the > garments, then details construction, including very simple patterns. Tr > pb, saddle-stapled, 76pp. Color covers & inside covers, 4 color interio= r > plates, numerous b/w photos of period art showing working women's > garments. Notes, pictography & bibliography, plus appendices on making = a > bodice pattern, fabric sources. Costume & Dressmaker Press > > So do you know anything like this? Any hints will be very useful to me:-) > > > --------------------------------- > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! > TV. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 14:18:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87IIhN6031259 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:18:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87IIiI5009875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:18:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87IHUlw067967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87IHLUZ046517; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87IHFTA046264 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 610237039-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.62.27 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FALYy4UZPSD4b/2dsb2JhbACBWg Received: from 79-72-62-27.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.62.27]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Sep 2007 19:17:01 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070907191519.03454c80@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:17:03 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online In-Reply-To: <652659.88307.qm@web82515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <652659.88307.qm@web82515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a732827-a368-445b-890f-5b1dbeec6050 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E19604.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 16:05:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87K5a6O001164 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:05:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87K5bti031824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:05:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87K3rgE085800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:03:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87K3hEn062123; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87K3bKg061951 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2007090720033001200duv6ee>; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:03:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1be42b262b20955f9ca3c7f3d2c68890@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:03:29 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fashion design materials X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5900198c-11fe-494c-8e0c-3bce7030f0aa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E1AF11.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I have a great book already on the fashion industry and all its facets, but I want to outline the entire procedure a clothing fashion designer takes and I've only worked in the garment industry as a patternmaker. Anyone know of such a work? Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 16:35:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87KZRbb001899 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:35:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87KZS1x017981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87KYpu8089628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87KYihx095654; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87KYcDe095531 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from talia (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l87KVt1o005604 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:31:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "KLH" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:34:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 9.0, Build 9.0.2910.0 In-reply-to: <1be42b262b20955f9ca3c7f3d2c68890@ntw.net> Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 14th century men's coat? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83836890-ed5c-4ae6-a1fd-ed2876caaae8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E1B610.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm looking for examples of 14th century men's coats. I'm not particular about the geographical area as long as it's European. Western European is best, but eastern would be fine in a pinch too. Need to make a sleeved coat for someone, but I want it documentable. Thanks for any suggestions... Talia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 16:57:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87Kvhaq002450 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:57:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87KvUcx012883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:57:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87KusiK092565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87KunA3020749; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:56:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87KuioF020548 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from pool-70-109-74-216.hag.east.verizon.net [70.109.74.216] by aardvark.edurostream.com with SMTP; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c7f191$83078ad0$2f01a8c0@SueDesktop> From: "Sue" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] feather dress Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:56:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a6ff827-5240-431a-a09a-3f1f064a64f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E1BB3B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Victorian Millinery sue@victorianmillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick,MD 21701 301-694-8950 http://www.ostrich.com/shop/cat?cmd=pad-index _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 19:39:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87Ndwr5006199 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:39:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87NdxKJ024838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:40:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l87Ncdl9014322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:38:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87NcS79051346; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87NcPWB051297 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:38:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so634811rvf for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:38:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=OmfOLNZLGjbZ1wTKexG7j3mDLWoZnYpYwVOqBvyfsCI=; b=GtN2JwWbD+qsFO+YQnfSZ4FvlYORajlT668Sqchh3pdVoLEG8PfcgPDAjTkA2pJsBz8SKNXoUeD4P5KsRIMsKKj+utOaYEALuiUPz7KcnKWQbpiA+QEs4d4skZCmbC7HkEXSoL3hlNfHI2egGog8JXlw+/xWX+88Cn7kwqi9GTY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SkTl01681ukUcuUTltXGaDEGoO3CzVsxfRfPRa9gqGWolDOZFs2IHEnh28tjBc+UplfKMZsHC1Gfrbq+0TBkWj+WNqfEBpawKgnsMKzCREbdMVvisJ2q86C7vNVdtoUM5dBRz1Bnh6qQKBzpv6dyuze/Kq/K34Cj18cydZOwMUg= Received: by 10.142.107.1 with SMTP id f1mr117221wfc.1189208305027; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:38:25 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 463866e1-b61a-48e5-afa1-88a3e6640578 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E1E14F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Also directly from the authors at http://www.tudortailor.com MaggiRos --- "penhalion@juno.com" wrote: > 'The Tudor Tailor' by Ninya Mikhaila has lots of > styles that are either working class or easily > adaptable to working class. I believe it is readily > available on Amazon: > http://www.amazon.com/Tudor-Tailor-reconstructing-sixteenth-century/dp/0896762556/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-0545319-9158352?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189168104&sr=1-1 > > Karen > Seamstrix > > > > -- "zelda crusher" wrote: > These are both on Drea's website, there's more there > but I don't have time > to do it right now. I may have other sites, etc > bookmarked and will look > later if no one else sugggests them first. > > http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ > > http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/secondhandclothes.html > > Laurie > > >From: Zuzana Kraemerova > >Reply-To: Historical Costume > >To: h-costume > >Subject: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th > century > >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:14:00 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Does anyone of you know any good sources (books or > websites) on peasant and > >lower-class clothing in the 16th or 17th century? > All books say lots and > >lots about court and aristocratic dresses, but no > one obviously cares about > >peasants. The only thing I could find seems to be > completely unavailable: > > > >Well-Dressed Peasant: 16th Century Flemish > Workingwomen's Dress – Temp > >out of stock > > Drea Leed. Author describes her research into > various aspects of the > >garments, then details construction, including very > simple patterns. Tr pb, > > saddle-stapled, 76pp. Color covers & inside > covers, 4 color interior > >plates, numerous b/w photos of period art showing > working women's garments. > > Notes, pictography & bibliography, plus > appendices on making a bodice > >pattern, fabric sources. Costume & Dressmaker Press > > > >So do you know anything like this? Any hints will > be very useful to me:-) > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Ready for the edge of your seat? 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We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 20:11:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l880BPU0006725 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:11:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l880BQDY025918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:11:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l880B06s018617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l880AwKq079653; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l87KRqp7088051 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JO000MQXM6458I0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:27:37 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] fashion design materials In-reply-to: <1be42b262b20955f9ca3c7f3d2c68890@ntw.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: bf7dfada-a6b8-4ff4-bd88-b29f10c5aff4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E1E8AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Sylvia-- One of the only books is Ruth E.Glock and Grace I.Kunz: Apparel Manufacturing-- Sewn Product Analysis, 4th Edition Pearson/ Prentice Hall, 2005. ISBN #0-13-111982-6 Dry as dust, but has what you need. Monica Spence Designer/ Patternmaker / Technical Design and now College Professor in Fashion. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] fashion design materials I know this is a costume email list but I am unaware of any fashion design lists (if someone knows of one, please fill me in). I believe a few of you teach fashion as well as costume, and I'm looking for a book that is specifically related to the subject of designing fashion commercially. Not the theory behind design, not rendering, but the actual steps taken by a commercial fashion designer when designing a line or collection of clothes for a manufacturer. I'm teaching a class on the costume and fashion industries and most of my experience is in theatrical costuming. I have a great book already on the fashion industry and all its facets, but I want to outline the entire procedure a clothing fashion designer takes and I've only worked in the garment industry as a patternmaker. Anyone know of such a work? Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 21:24:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l881OR9W008115 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:24:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l881OSN0025504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:24:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l881NGen096946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:23:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l881NAxo006726; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l881N6QE006374 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:23:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IToyV-000287-Sa for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:19:03 -0400 Received: from 207.69.137.6 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:23:00 -0400 Message-ID: <27251447.1189214580591.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:23:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: AVC To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd69ff5fff57af9fba191ba47ae349ead83d667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 16th/17th cent peasants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 75f60b3c-908d-4ffc-9ba9-47f059682b8c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E1F9CC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you can find it - Historic Costume in Pictures, Braun and Schneider, Dover Press. 1975. A collection of etchings, four to a plate, mostly groups, done in the latter half of the 19th century. These are secondary sources of clothing from much of the world. Plates 33 through 66 cover you time period in England, France, Germany, Russia and Turkey. All B&W. All classes of persons. Hope you can find one. Best of luck .Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 21:25:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l881PhR7008124 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:25:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l881Pibg026207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:25:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l881PJ0P000158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:25:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l881PAxO011070; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l881OH0W009284 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so722303waf for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:24:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=kCBagJnmDO3dDJuXBPjUWYdLs/xCoH24jK6O1+/1sYc=; b=XozwnjniQ7nGoiMJNLI871D+eAZ73OfKcmNhjJ4BKLgUpEIR37DcUNLYrNG27YQn3gAVM8djFjbK/LxxE8AavY7CnnlUapuQZDQxZ0P+lkkHkVNpJcMvbqKYPCDnGqV+X93pbhUMjBijrsG1tzky6gU56KqGM+YkdHwFJFix9Xw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=d5haEuljzfJ1qm40tpRonT3j6TDSImbYA/Z7i/AlDNBHzebGXhdDLFTnryiDtGQ62FPs7y6qH1EaPzbSQBfo3R2TW2YD9x2EwvHZmnJHq8+EZT7Zhr+4n2XT3lmTNElyGkTjMykXeAMBdq0VPZtzvRy719ixKW96k78eOJKDEIo= Received: by 10.142.201.3 with SMTP id y3mr118497wff.1189214262928; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:17:42 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45bf712a-5935-4608-8de9-63a1a77a5c24 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E1FA18.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I can only wish they were longer & more detailed. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 7 22:28:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l882SaHY008992 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:28:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l882SbYd009259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8809OJN018335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8809O04077965; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l87FJc36026568 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27779 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2007 15:19:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=haC6sg608nRk7wfdqU1A4fb9foY+C0xg1ewwIzwe009k0B0K6Xmgd03AnpZbOD9Kk0MEqZhBhkdDhi2D5kxYlOhuRcJVrrcReztHaZijV9z1q2Q2BVPm6sMO9xzgeDH7wnGhsz4fYJ58V3XvdU04hnR/Rn4HO71IqcMaVvLJRgU=; X-YMail-OSG: zRBfi7AVM1kWp_PdhsPEW8t2O4Ioa6it7C34FoUtS_Vf_3vlSgBzqkayKRsNQMCo7tk2dQ7mNuFhmuNOXUJ5D8ep2g-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:19:32 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <194520.24502.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <945396.27701.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a71e45ac-d1f3-45a2-b95d-2a4f6e4efbe0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E208D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The author of this page, you'll notice, is the same Drea Leed whose book you'ere looking for. she's also on this list, though I haven't seen her name recently. Yes, she is very good for this stuff. For 17th century particularly, look at genre paintings buy Jan Steen and others. If you don't see a lot of difference between 1540 and 1670, it's safe to say peasant clothes didn't change much over that stretch of time. MaggiRos --- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Yes, I have the Tudor tailor, it's currently the > best thing I could find, but still I'd like to find > something that goes more in detail (about > lower-class dresses) and also something about 17th > century (which might be quite a problem, maybe 18th > century would not be very different - concerning > peasants' dress???) > > Is this: > > http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/flemish-dress.html > > the text that is also in the book "The well dressed > peasant"? Or does the book contain more than is on > the website? > > Thanks, > > Zuzana > > > --------------------------------- > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 00:04:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8844qNU010715 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:04:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8844q2S012598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:04:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8843bSv068979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8843YMp091215; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:03:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8843UIw091073 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XGBpO8wTx46+Ug2li3QCEJ7RNuTPabPRzNgtWLJgf67gXTs2EWZNZ9K6HYfuP1iz; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.46.141] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ITrXZ-0000g8-Dx for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:03:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6496D88C-FFB9-4786-9DF2-25BBD26A6C14@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th century men's coat? Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:03:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47854a736377a0fff9301cc5c9910430a131b043dbb8868137a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.46.141 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25793f9a-d52b-44dd-adc4-6802dc341703 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E21F64.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 7, 2007, at 1:34 PM, KLH wrote: > I'm looking for examples of 14th century men's coats. I'm not > particular > about the geographical area as long as it's European. Western > European is > best, but eastern would be fine in a pinch too. Need to make a > sleeved coat > for someone, but I want it documentable. Thanks for any suggestions... You might be interested in looking at the surviving "pourpoint of Charles of Blois", which dates to the later 14th century. If you plug that name into the appropriate search field at , it'll give you a list of various publications that have information on it. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 00:40:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l884eGNf011397 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:40:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l884eHlF025366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:40:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l884cGGr073421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l884cE4D017897; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l884cBlc017857 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from talia (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l884W2gU009984 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 23:32:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "KLH" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 14th century men's coat? Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 23:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 9.0, Build 9.0.2910.0 In-reply-to: <6496D88C-FFB9-4786-9DF2-25BBD26A6C14@earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a7d0e293-611c-47fc-a6a4-e9cc411f07f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E227B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm familiar with that garment but actually I'm not looking for a fitted coat, I'm looking for an overcoat with sleeves. Cloaks get boring pretty quickly, and I want to make a nice winter coat for someone I know. Thanks though. Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Heather Rose Jones Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:04 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th century men's coat? On Sep 7, 2007, at 1:34 PM, KLH wrote: > I'm looking for examples of 14th century men's coats. I'm not > particular > about the geographical area as long as it's European. Western > European is > best, but eastern would be fine in a pinch too. Need to make a > sleeved coat > for someone, but I want it documentable. Thanks for any suggestions... You might be interested in looking at the surviving "pourpoint of Charles of Blois", which dates to the later 14th century. If you plug that name into the appropriate search field at , it'll give you a list of various publications that have information on it. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 00:44:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l884ihB7011476 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:44:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l884ijwG026579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:44:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l884iQ3n074118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l884iP8N022220; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l884iLqk022175 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:44:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1ITsB91ex1-0008Vw; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:44:20 -0400 Message-ID: <008201c7f1d2$ddabf9d0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <652659.88307.qm@web82515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070907191519.03454c80@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:43:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/TKezjcRrIV8YpVuft64NU5oaGvQmQJK/kV92 qtk+hzLGR3RYMIFRU9dQgbXeEYmB4AMEbJXmNxRIkauBW6M/EI IgKa8HdT9o1UhAkhg5t8A== X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 195eef4c-df0b-4b27-b8a1-5e3e7673334f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E228BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi, I love this peacock feather cloak/mantle! http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/p10043021.html Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 01:14:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l885Enfn012008 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:14:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l885EouY023658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l885DM23076802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 23:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l885DI9Q042611; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 23:13:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l885DFDU042575 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 23:13:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7F170024C for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:05:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <749034.98655.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <749034.98655.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200709080105.54272.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aee52bc7-a58f-4c17-8124-7e107d71bf87 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E22FCA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Friday 07 September 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Does anyone of you know any good sources (books or websites) on peasant and > lower-class clothing in the 16th or 17th century? All books say lots and > lots about court and aristocratic dresses, but no one obviously cares about > peasants. Le Poulet Gauche, a French reenactor site, has a page on lower class women's and one on lower class men's costume; here's the woman's page. You can also find this from Drea Leed's site: http://www.lepg.org/women.htm Jen Thompson's page on 16th c. lower class costume is good too, and the link from Drea's page to it is obsolete. You need to go here: http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/portfolio.html -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 11:20:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88FKT3v010137 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l88FKV0Q015185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l88FJH45049666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88FJBC1065406; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88FJ7tb065269 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c8c.12ce52cc (39954) for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:18:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] peasant clothing in the 16th-17th century To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adad6479-3622-4af8-aa80-d48d4b50a3ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E2BDBF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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In the paintings you can even see how things are cut, as he very often paints in the seams. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 12:01:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88G1qGs011147 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:01:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l88G1piY008649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:01:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l88G1LXV055180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88G1J4o006433; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88G19mf006124 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=qhSGv+M9Rr941lMz5FDOW5sZ2suA57BvWEaqNg1OBqOGBtrCHiUrywJLQxMZhgO5; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IU2jq-0000WN-QV for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:00:51 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070908080412.03721c60@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:07:46 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online In-Reply-To: <200709071800.l87I0UYk026168@net.indra.com> References: <200709071800.l87I0UYk026168@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5354a736377a0fff934d785cead451f09e07978c2e25061bb1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f91c95e2-ac7f-4b3a-b291-e1abe5da6cf4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E2C76F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'll take this opportunity to remind everyone that you can also set up your own album in the Contributor's section of the International Costumers' Gallery. Simply go to www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php and establish an account (easy and no cost). You can then set up you own album. Everyone is welcome. Pierre International Costumers' Guild Archivist and Parliamentarian "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 16:55:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88KtHGE017217 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:55:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l88KtJDj032752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:55:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l88KrjVD014673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88Krfti076344; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88KrYu3076262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.121] (209-148-118-121.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l88KrW8k001865 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:53:33 -0700 Message-ID: <46E30BD3.9000609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:53:39 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb06ab6f-af76-4ec4-a49a-c2822308a846 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46E30C37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I wrote the following directions for another list, which doesn't overlap much with this one, so I thought I'd post them here. My hair is down to about mid-back length. I wear a kind of Alphonse Mucha style that I invented. It's very easy and it looks great. First (you might be able to skip this step if your hair is naturally curly) I wash my hair, put a fair amount of gel on it, and put it in pin curls overnight, or till it is fully dry. I form fairly large curls, as much as a bobby pin will hold. It is not at all necessary to have them arranged on the head super evenly or neatly, but it seems better to wind them all "rotating" in the same direction. When my hair is dry I take out the bobby pins. Then I comb through my hair very briefly with my fingers if the curls are very tight, otherwise not. I pull my hair straight up off the crown of my head, then fasten it fairly near the ends with one of those fiber-covered elastics in brown or black (I have medium brown hair). Then I squash the hair down, and fasten it firmly with a plastic "tortoiseshell" butterfly clip. (I bought a whole bunch of them with Art-Nouveau-comb inspired designs for about 30 cents apiece at Ross Dress for Less.) The middle of the hair swirls around the top of the head and face, and the clip fastens the ends through to the roots of the hair underneath. Voila, the Mucha hairstyle. This hairstyle comes out somewhat differently every single time you squash it. If the first try is unattractive, just pull your hair up again before you put on the clip, and repeat the process. You can get a slightly different effect by twisting the length of hair somewhat before you squash it down. You can get an asymmetric look by pushing the length of hair more to the right or left as you squash it. You can leave a long curl outside the updo, to fall on your neck, on either one or both sides of your head, and more towards the back or front as you choose. If the hair at the back of your head looks too puffed out, you can put a second clip (I use a smallish one) at the middle of the back of your head. I like this hairstyle, it's a lot of fun. Frances Grimble Lavolta Press Books on Historic and Vintage Clothing http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 17:05:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88L5mTs017383 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:05:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l88L5nVB027944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:05:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l88L5K8D016125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88L5JKo087353; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88L5GKa087206 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.111]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:05:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:05:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:05:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.188.134] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <46E30BD3.9000609@lavoltapress.com> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:05:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2007 21:05:11.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1A979B0:01C7F25B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f8091c0-da5b-419c-98b3-3e9ef96f6546 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E30EAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think I get it but it would so much funner if you had pictures...(wink, wink) Laurie >From: Lavolta Press >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle >Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:53:39 -0700 > >I wrote the following directions for another list, which doesn't overlap >much with this one, so I thought I'd post them here. > >My hair is down to about mid-back length. I wear a kind of Alphonse Mucha >style that I invented. It's very easy and it looks great. > >First (you might be able to skip this step if your hair is naturally curly) >I wash my hair, put a fair amount of gel on it, and put it in pin curls >overnight, or till it is fully dry. I form fairly large curls, as much as a >bobby pin will hold. It is not at all necessary to have them arranged on >the head super evenly or neatly, but it seems better to wind them all >"rotating" in the same direction. When my hair is dry I take out the bobby >pins. > >Then I comb through my hair very briefly with my fingers if the curls are >very tight, otherwise not. I pull my hair straight up off the crown of my >head, then fasten it fairly near the ends with one of those fiber-covered >elastics in brown or black (I have medium brown hair). Then I squash the >hair down, and fasten it firmly with a plastic "tortoiseshell" butterfly >clip. (I bought a whole bunch of them with Art-Nouveau-comb inspired >designs for about 30 cents apiece at Ross Dress for Less.) The middle of >the hair swirls around the top of the head and face, and the clip fastens >the ends through to the roots of the hair underneath. Voila, the Mucha >hairstyle. > >This hairstyle comes out somewhat differently every single time you squash >it. If the first try is unattractive, just pull your hair up again before >you put on the clip, and repeat the process. You can get a slightly >different effect by twisting the length of hair somewhat before you squash >it down. You can get an asymmetric look by pushing the length of hair more >to the right or left as you squash it. You can leave a long curl outside >the updo, to fall on your neck, on either one or both sides of your head, >and more towards the back or front as you choose. If the hair at the back >of your head looks too puffed out, you can put a second clip (I use a >smallish one) at the middle of the back of your head. > >I like this hairstyle, it's a lot of fun. > >Frances Grimble >Lavolta Press Books on Historic and Vintage Clothing >http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 17:12:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88LCdiX017478 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:12:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l88LCff6016646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l88LB3pX016820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88LB2a6092116; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88LAwmH092065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.121] (209-148-118-121.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l88LAuht005928 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:10:57 -0700 Message-ID: <46E30FE7.4060609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:11:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33a52662-8287-4a5a-a5b3-502036b2f98b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E31049.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com zelda crusher wrote: > I think I get it but it would so much funner if you had > pictures...(wink, wink) > Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 18:45:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88Mj0Iv019452 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:45:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l88Mj1ft020461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:45:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l88MhvEY029634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88MhsYO073391; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:43:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88MhpIo073314 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:43:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d09.1a95aad9 (14457) for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:43:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:43:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b60af8a-0b07-4059-81d1-1a6d38044f74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E325ED.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I greatly appreciate people who can do the dos. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 21:50:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l891o1mW022949 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:50:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l891o22c018655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:50:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l88Mil86029742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88MikBm074193; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l88MigPh074047 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cfa.197a8060 (14457) for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:44:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:44:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47bda897-9bf0-48b1-88fd-f44857e6e225 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E3514A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eastern Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: These include: No posting pictures, no blogging, no reading blogs, and no viewing Utube! ********** What's left? :-P ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 22:59:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l892xY06024367 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 22:59:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l892xKfH018571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 22:59:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l892wA1Q058673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l892w7x5066913; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l892w3cs066866 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A10F1395035E; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 02:57:19 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <46E30BD3.9000609@lavoltapress.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:57:58 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c7f28d$3a4799f0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfyWmUR2RKXN/QhRAyKZowBvEONvAAMs+zA In-Reply-To: <46E30BD3.9000609@lavoltapress.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Got any pictures? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:54 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle I wrote the following directions for another list, which doesn't overlap much with this one, so I thought I'd post them here. My hair is down to about mid-back length. I wear a kind of Alphonse Mucha style that I invented. It's very easy and it looks great. First (you might be able to skip this step if your hair is naturally curly) I wash my hair, put a fair amount of gel on it, and put it in pin curls overnight, or till it is fully dry. I form fairly large curls, as much as a bobby pin will hold. It is not at all necessary to have them arranged on the head super evenly or neatly, but it seems better to wind them all "rotating" in the same direction. When my hair is dry I take out the bobby pins. Then I comb through my hair very briefly with my fingers if the curls are very tight, otherwise not. I pull my hair straight up off the crown of my head, then fasten it fairly near the ends with one of those fiber-covered elastics in brown or black (I have medium brown hair). Then I squash the hair down, and fasten it firmly with a plastic "tortoiseshell" butterfly clip. (I bought a whole bunch of them with Art-Nouveau-comb inspired designs for about 30 cents apiece at Ross Dress for Less.) The middle of the hair swirls around the top of the head and face, and the clip fastens the ends through to the roots of the hair underneath. Voila, the Mucha hairstyle. This hairstyle comes out somewhat differently every single time you squash it. If the first try is unattractive, just pull your hair up again before you put on the clip, and repeat the process. You can get a slightly different effect by twisting the length of hair somewhat before you squash it down. You can get an asymmetric look by pushing the length of hair more to the right or left as you squash it. You can leave a long curl outside the updo, to fall on your neck, on either one or both sides of your head, and more towards the back or front as you choose. If the hair at the back of your head looks too puffed out, you can put a second clip (I use a smallish one) at the middle of the back of your head. I like this hairstyle, it's a lot of fun. Frances Grimble Lavolta Press Books on Historic and Vintage Clothing http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 8 23:43:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l893hb4J025100 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:43:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l893hdQ8024270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:43:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l893elLS062166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:40:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l893ekXQ094427; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l893ehDU094376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:40:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.95] (209-148-118-95.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l893eXkt016289 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:40:41 -0700 Message-ID: <46E36B38.9000409@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:40:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Directions for Alphonse Mucha hairstyle References: <46E30BD3.9000609@lavoltapress.com> <002701c7f28d$3a4799f0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <002701c7f28d$3a4799f0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4f6f0f4-d359-46c2-86ae-8f88782709ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E36BEB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 9 06:55:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89AtD4k013542 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:55:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l89AtFih011269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:55:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l89AsiXM000674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 04:54:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89AshY8085745; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 04:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89AsbGI085667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 04:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-34-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.34]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id l89AsZaQ026465 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:54:36 +1000 Message-ID: <000701c7f2cf$cf9e2b30$22d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Children's Patterns Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:54:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 70924265-889c-41f3-90f9-29e0411186ac X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E3D113.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 9 08:08:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89C8DkL015132 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:08:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l89C8Ff3003372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:08:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l89C77Yc012037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89C744t049291; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89C6wsM049210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:07:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l89C64ol005918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:06:04 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l89C5xnm005904 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:06:04 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:05:59 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:08:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:06:04 +0200 (CEST) www.domenebutikken.no: Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1afd2bd7-1677-4eba-8254-cd1878aedd16 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E3E22F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi all! I may be going to a masque ball with a London in 1790 setting in a few months, and I'm wondering what sets masquerade clothes and accessories apart from regular clothing in the 1780's and 90's. Is there anything published on this specific subject, or any relevant web pages? I've tried to google for sites and books but have come up short. The very few contemporary pictures I've found look like people wore normal party wear and just added masks, but somehow that strikes me as odd. I would appreciate any info on this. :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 9 09:12:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89DC7Km017087 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:12:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l89DC9Ol007761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:12:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l89DAlQ6020607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:10:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89DAjfT004514; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:10:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89DAfJ0004348 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:10:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cb3.19922e5f (39954) for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:10:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:10:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f008c275-052f-4d02-8ca7-c920b85f795b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E3F129.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 9/9/2007 8:07:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ingridgs@techarea.net writes: Hi all! I may be going to a masque ball with a London in 1790 setting in a few months, and I'm wondering what sets masquerade clothes and accessories apart from regular clothing in the 1780's and 90's. Is there anything published on this specific subject, or any relevant web pages? I've tried to google for sites and books but have come up short. Aileen Ribeiro's "The Art of Dress: Fashion in England and France 1750-1820" is what you need. One chapter is "Remembrance of Things Past: Image and Reality in Fancy Dress in England." You may find inspiration for a Turkish, Van Dyke, or classically-based ensemble. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 9 09:38:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89DcPTr017804 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:38:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l89DcQSN014369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l89Dbv4o023779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89DbtJw029316; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89Dbq1S029185 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d68.10e685a1 (39954) for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:37:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] American Civil War Children's Patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58996b11-bfaf-4201-9e01-bbd522546c79 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E3F752.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 9 11:13:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89FDQKx021737 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:13:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l89FDRxd012565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:13:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l89FCBXg038898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89FC848027891; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89FC3gJ027714 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 604486959-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.62.27 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAP+p40ZPSD4b/2dsb2JhbACBXQ Received: from 79-72-62-27.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.62.27]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Sep 2007 16:11:57 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070909160723.033b3a60@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:12:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2219f9b2-14f0-4ba6-9784-7109ac88fb6c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E40D97.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 13:05 09/09/2007, you wrote: >Hi all! I may be going to a masque ball with a London in 1790 setting in >a few months, and I'm wondering what sets masquerade clothes and >accessories apart from regular clothing in the 1780's and 90's. Is there >anything published on this specific subject, or any relevant web pages? >I've tried to google for sites and books but have come up short. > >The very few contemporary pictures I've found look like people wore >normal party wear and just added masks, but somehow that strikes me as >odd. I would appreciate any info on this. :) > >Ingrid People did not necessarily wear what we would consider "fancy dress". They frequently wore evining clothes, and a "domino" over. This was a hooded cloak, for both men and women. There are patterns for both, taken from original garments, in "Period Costume for Stage and Screen - Outer Garments Book 1" which includes Coats, cloaks, capes, and mantles. A mask would be worn with this cloak. There was a convention that if you were masked and cloaked, you were not recognised. I can't access the other information I have right now, but if you want any more info, just let me know. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 9 14:20:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89IKwCs028684 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:20:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l89IKx9h027037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:21:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l89IJit7066194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89IJcla002292; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l89IJXAY002140 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:19:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070909181927.OZYZ6647.fep31.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:19:27 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.94]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070909181927.IIXA13502.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:19:27 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c7f30e$088f01b0$5e43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:19:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.67.94] at Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:19:18 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a355ba5-58e8-45d0-bb81-ea202b34d609 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E4398B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Often the "ordinary" cut was used in masqued costumes, but they were decorated in some fancy ways, wich was not ordinary. Cavalier style was much heep in the end of 18th century, but made not as historically correct, as we do today, more a sort of 18th century way of cavalier style, if you know what i meen. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingrid G. Storrø" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear > Hi all! I may be going to a masque ball with a London in 1790 setting in > a few months, and I'm wondering what sets masquerade clothes and > accessories apart from regular clothing in the 1780's and 90's. Is there > anything published on this specific subject, or any relevant web pages? > I've tried to google for sites and books but have come up short. > > The very few contemporary pictures I've found look like people wore > normal party wear and just added masks, but somehow that strikes me as > odd. I would appreciate any info on this. :) > > Ingrid > > -- > This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - > www.domenebutikken.no > Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - > www.domenebutikken.no > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 9 21:51:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8A1p0s7014946 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:51:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8A1p2mT032195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8A1nmt6017213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8A1nibF075345; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8A1nfSj075205 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20070910014936m11003oq2ve>; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:49:36 +0000 Message-ID: <46E4A316.9020608@bovil.com> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:51:18 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070909160723.033b3a60@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070909160723.033b3a60@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3abb0da-0ea5-4d5d-9adf-ca097d7c15aa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E4A306.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Back at Costume-Con 17, Deb Salisbury did a fabulous "Harem Girl" historical fancy dress costume which fused the pants of a harem girl with the bustle of the fashion of the day. Her research was rock-solid. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 09:05:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8AD5HHB030059 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:05:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8AD5ItO012531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8AD41Cw011469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8AD3vZ8087107; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8A4cfhs018961 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 610867029-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.62.27 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAFBn5EZPSD4b/2dsb2JhbACBXQ Received: from 79-72-62-27.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.62.27]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2007 05:38:35 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070910053655.0339ff60@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:38:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear In-Reply-To: <46E4A316.9020608@bovil.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070909160723.033b3a60@suziclarke.co.uk> <46E4A316.9020608@bovil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: c18b7ee2-1fec-4f1c-b15a-9e817b5492a0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E5410E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 02:51 10/09/2007, you wrote: >Suzi Clarke wrote: >>People did not necessarily wear what we would consider "fancy >>dress". They frequently wore evining clothes, and a "domino" over. >>This was a hooded cloak, for both men and women. There are patterns >>for both, taken from original garments, in "Period Costume for >>Stage and Screen - Outer Garments Book 1" which includes Coats, >>cloaks, capes, and mantles. A mask would be worn with this cloak. >>There was a convention that if you were masked and cloaked, you >>were not recognised. > > >"Fancy Dress" often still was consistent with formal wear. > >Back at Costume-Con 17, Deb Salisbury did a fabulous "Harem Girl" >historical fancy dress costume which fused the pants of a harem girl >with the bustle of the fashion of the day. Her research was rock-solid. > > Isn't this Victorian though? I have lots of Victorian fashion plates of fancy dress, but have seen virtually nothing for the late 18th century. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 09:38:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ADcLrp032193 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ADcIY5001160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ADbKj9017121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ADbJjA024386; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8ADbGpJ024243 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 52120 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2007 13:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.250.28 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2007 13:37:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ebDsMycVM1mnlpEd..Kj.3ocAMLNvPJK2QBXxDt2tTUtvOF.X6xFxPjuM7RmadiuMHyCy0T_7Jl1Tk9Mr00BJxyn47PZxT2Gzhuq7te5KEHQsbKD6ly4dDyV_040EZUsUrw03ahrV4tL1Tb4Pfs- Message-ID: <000801c7f3af$b2ec5e90$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070909160723.033b3a60@suziclarke.co.uk><46E4A316.9020608@bovil.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070910053655.0339ff60@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:37:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a7db46d-6f84-40c2-b8eb-39aed987d853 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E548CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >From my own reading and study, the concept of "Fancy Dress" in this period at least for women simply meant an exageration of curent vogue or the fanciful appropriation of clothing from another class ( gussied up with jewels and of course, feathers). Q MarieAntoinette's milkmaid/farm wear or perhaps opera or ballerina garb that would allow the tasteful show of ankle. Since Fashion had achieved the highest level, there was no challenge to try to better it by going to an historical past for inspiration. It did however call for getting out all one's visable wealth and trotting out for public display...with a fan-mask of perhaps allegorical signifince. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear > At 02:51 10/09/2007, you wrote: >>Suzi Clarke wrote: >>>People did not necessarily wear what we would consider "fancy dress". >>>They frequently wore evining clothes, and a "domino" over. This was a >>>hooded cloak, for both men and women. There are patterns for both, taken >>>from original garments, in "Period Costume for Stage and Screen - Outer >>>Garments Book 1" which includes Coats, cloaks, capes, and mantles. A mask >>>would be worn with this cloak. There was a convention that if you were >>>masked and cloaked, you were not recognised. >> >> >>"Fancy Dress" often still was consistent with formal wear. >> >>Back at Costume-Con 17, Deb Salisbury did a fabulous "Harem Girl" >>historical fancy dress costume which fused the pants of a harem girl with >>the bustle of the fashion of the day. Her research was rock-solid. >> >> > > Isn't this Victorian though? I have lots of Victorian fashion plates of > fancy dress, but have seen virtually nothing for the late 18th century. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 17:29:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALTpAd024303 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:29:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ALTqYg024903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:29:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ALSWs6016498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALSJlC030891; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8AIuIA4044398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l8AItCvY018029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:55:12 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l8AItB40018025 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:55:12 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:55:11 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070909160723.033b3a60@suziclarke.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070909160723.033b3a60@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:29:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:55:12 +0200 (CEST) www.domenebutikken.no: Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40ac83d6-4043-4bb9-94c3-ab0af54e0a36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46E5B750.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Thanks so much to all who have replied so far, I very much appreciate everyone's insights. The books suggested look fantastic; I haven't been able to afford Hunnisett yet and Ribeiro was unknown to me. My local library doesn't have them but I should be able to get them through ILL - I'll probably be back with more questions after some reading. :) Suzi, if your other information is easily accessible I'd love to have it, but if it's a lot of trouble please don't bother. :) Thanks, Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 17:32:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALWKof024372 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:32:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ALWLHl014774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ALVeKL016986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:31:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALVciq035065; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:31:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8AL15Hd098075 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56039 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2007 21:00:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5g7sTG1PWCMJqrVwiqwA9XrZrZwxtOE2cuEdwe8DjSSgrcP+mIXymhJMAeUhTsfdyw9AAPn9PHHLzICRRvLk5bWFKlFr9vxZxss6OKjlNxqnpiTfjZGXLfaQGCsVx+1K48CeBPociqSuO5UfmFZjWcry7679JhtODY04vcdOu4o=; X-YMail-OSG: 9qRL2KYVM1maW_tI7pbI2UY76h0oHIpeMjdiwNKVPX2KArP1Oqh9o4jcM41v5R6S1bJV50yp8ZwOXVIEkvwPzAjgIFh2RSJdkGwRNxwz4R6Bf2xgxKaotwWYlMHQAtCWD1TMT4hFdsPMcDJHgg-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:00:56 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 18th c. masquerade wear To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46E4A316.9020608@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <754383.56012.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7633c09c-e876-417c-8304-bafd2b7c8b5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E5B7E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I love the colors. It makes the picture look hand-tinted1 :) MaggiRos --- Andrew Trembley wrote: > Suzi Clarke wrote: > > People did not necessarily wear what we would > consider "fancy dress". > > They frequently wore evining clothes, and a > "domino" over. This was a > > hooded cloak, for both men and women. There are > patterns for both, > > taken from original garments, in "Period Costume > for Stage and Screen > > - Outer Garments Book 1" which includes Coats, > cloaks, capes, and > > mantles. A mask would be worn with this cloak. > There was a convention > > that if you were masked and cloaked, you were not > recognised. > > > "Fancy Dress" often still was consistent with formal > wear. > > Back at Costume-Con 17, Deb Salisbury did a fabulous > "Harem Girl" > historical fancy dress costume which fused the pants > of a harem girl > with the bustle of the fashion of the day. Her > research was rock-solid. > > > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 17:33:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALXOZV024410 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:33:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ALXQbD031980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:33:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ALWuYH017179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALWt4h036610; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALWoWg036409; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llyonet@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070910213246.DMYS21140.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:32:46 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net ([172.18.52.69]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id mlYk1X00Q1VbBFw0000000; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:32:44 -0400 Received: from 72.205.218.193 by webmail.east.cox.net; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:32:45 -0400 Message-ID: <17932299.1189459965776.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:32:45 -0400 From: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1091a2d-ac0a-4a5b-9f90-0da912cfdae4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E5B826.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Lady Lyonet of Greystone _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 17:49:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALnQo4024640 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:49:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ALnRrp032453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:49:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ALmqN8019535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ALmmlg055060; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:48:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8ALmjm4054907 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36967 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2007 21:48:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5kfNlztbhRY4Tkq+7GanlqdZxezKyv+sgysPJftN0iczyTRKxzRQuxf20aFJ+iTnQINDvuuglIIYu+MeWvh9oTQ0Belw+fXsUTZvmieEnKtiJNSB2vIo4hE3r2Wavv62YeH+6RVqnuVBueICzl2t962Tak85YvT0yTZqn1WE6qA=; X-YMail-OSG: 4QgAlxYVM1l.zQJtGl3uP4m1i5O0fZv8xKg0udvCzELbhXcSujoHd2RsqHc_k5pClseB..Gigd85X_AWp7nIf3cK3YaApk46Q00dEnJTQ94V1dQLgwhn3rZcSA4imA-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:48:40 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <17932299.1189459965776.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <89607.36562.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01352836-252d-45ef-a5c5-dde7d6f583f4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E5BBE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO oh sorry I mixed Lucretia and Laudonia:-)) Apologies:-) llyonet@cox.net wrote: I am looking for a color scan of the painting of Laudonia de Medici by Bronzino, circa 1560-65. I am seeing it in a rich deep jewel toned velvet (in my mind) but it looks black in my book. Wouldnt this dress be lovely made up? Thanks in advance for any assistance on my behalf. Lady Lyonet of Greystone _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 18:06:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8AM6QbF025014 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:06:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8AM6SsD017813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:06:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8AM5eUn022802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:05:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8AM5cxf075168; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8AM5YsT075099 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:05:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A61837AB9 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:05:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:05:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <17932299.1189459965776.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5dc5740-d59c-4139-95c1-a341f1c4034e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E5BFE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Lucrecia http://tinyurl.com/22ltz6 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Angelo_Bronzino_045.jpg Laura http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Angelo_Bronzino_042.jpg Young woman http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Angelo_Bronzino_059.jpg Laudomia de' Medici. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Bronzino%2C_laudomia_d= e%27_medici.jpg http://tinyurl.com/yt6hg9 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of llyonet@cox.net Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:33 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici I am looking for a color scan of the painting of Laudonia de Medici by = Bronzino, circa 1560-65. I am seeing it in a rich deep jewel toned velvet (in my mind) but it = looks black in my book. Wouldnt this dress be lovely made up? Thanks in advance for any assistance on my behalf. Lady Lyonet of Greystone _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 18:19:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8AMJGLI025327 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:19:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8AMJIcQ028771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:19:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8AMIWUk025032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8AMISWb089119; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8AMIBdq088814 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200709102218.l8AMIBdq088814@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 15879 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2007 15:18:10 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 15186, pid: 15817, t: 9.8804s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 10 Sep 2007 15:18:01 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:14:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici In-Reply-To: <983517.30988.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <17932299.1189459965776.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> <983517.30988.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 813b2385-ed2a-46b4-a77f-d70174e63982 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E5C2E6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 02:52 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote: >It's on the Galleria degli uffizzi webpage: > >http://www.sbas.firenze.it/inv1890/scheda.asp > > >llyonet@cox.net wrote: I am looking for a color scan of the painting >of Laudonia de Medici by Bronzino, circa 1560-65. >I am seeing it in a rich deep jewel toned velvet (in my mind) but it >looks black in my book. >Wouldnt this dress be lovely made up? >Thanks in advance for any assistance on my behalf. > >Lady Lyonet of Greystone I got an internet error message in Italian when I tried to use your link. When I went to the home page, I could not find a way to look at pictures in the collection. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 21:24:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B1OASq032522 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:24:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8B1OATX008664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8B1MrZU061320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B1Mm7U083941; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B1MjGA083889 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-07.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8B1Mi7N021703 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JO600H0TJTVNX@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.109] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:22:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:22:43 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici In-reply-to: <17932299.1189459965776.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <17932299.1189459965776.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7c739db-5bac-4e7a-8927-84359cb46a28 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E5EE3A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The gown is black and silver, accented with white pearls. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: llyonet@cox.net Date: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:35 pm Subject: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com > I am looking for a color scan of the painting of Laudonia de Medici > by Bronzino, circa 1560-65. > I am seeing it in a rich deep jewel toned velvet (in my mind) but > it looks black in my book. > Wouldnt this dress be lovely made up? > Thanks in advance for any assistance on my behalf. > > Lady Lyonet of Greystone > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 21:49:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B1nlQM000491 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:49:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8B1nmer032063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:49:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8B1nAnf064837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B1n9PL008166; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B1n6Vg008034 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JO600HIPL1CS331@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:48:41 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 801b4d5b-e944-4cf2-b881-9c767e7da82e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E5F43C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The gown is black and silver, accented with white pearls. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: llyonet@cox.net Date: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:35 pm Subject: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com > I am looking for a color scan of the painting of Laudonia de Medici > by Bronzino, circa 1560-65. > I am seeing it in a rich deep jewel toned velvet (in my mind) but > it looks black in my book. > Wouldnt this dress be lovely made up? > Thanks in advance for any assistance on my behalf. > > Lady Lyonet of Greystone > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 10 22:24:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B2OCUJ001546 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:24:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8B2ODSR031146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:24:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8B2N4Lx070078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B2N1Oh038956; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:23:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B2Mwh5038893 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8B2MuD4029920 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JO600H3RMM8NX@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.109] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:22:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:22:56 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff7ee6cf-d93e-4451-b391-309cac5031cc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E5FC4D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've seen both "Laudomia" and "Laudonia"; one is in 20,000 Years of Fashion and the other is in an Italian language book about Bronzino. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: monica spence Date: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:53 pm Subject: RE: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici To: Historical Costume > Isn't her name Laudomia? Moda a Firenze has the picture as Isabella de > Medici (Cosimo and Eleonora's daughter) Laudomiia was the Cosimo's > cousin,sister of Lorenzino who murdered Alessandro, the Duke. > > Here is the Wikipedia link: It has a good-sized picture. > http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Bronzino%2C_laudomia_de%27_medici.jpg > > > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com]OnBehalf Of ailith@neo.rr.com > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:23 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici > > > If I remember correctly, there's a large image of it in Moda a > Firenze.I can scan it, but it won't be until tomorrow. > > The gown is black and silver, accented with white pearls. > > kate > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: llyonet@cox.net > Date: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:35 pm > Subject: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com > > > I am looking for a color scan of the painting of Laudonia de Medici > > by Bronzino, circa 1560-65. > > I am seeing it in a rich deep jewel toned velvet (in my mind) but > > it looks black in my book. > > Wouldnt this dress be lovely made up? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance on my behalf. > > > > Lady Lyonet of Greystone > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 11 04:13:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B8DX6g009824 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:13:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8B8DZlj032354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:13:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8B8CJf0013297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B8CFUv021661; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8B8CBeP021600 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1IV0qw0ut2-0007Sy; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:12:11 -0400 Message-ID: <005e01c7f44b$66050cc0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:11:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18UQ4UJBJp3lxWNWSOPvD161AO/zOSfhgDGBio Ite0KCUcA5N2YcHnsinse6+reEtNplVxEvzxl5STmQfnrxu1NS L9x4aT78ulE5VdVmkCklg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Classes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cbb638e-b7de-49f8-949c-9a6eb25dc71f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E64E2F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 11 14:19:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BIJTb0021011 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:19:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8BIJVSl028557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8BII6Ml010055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:18:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BII1hZ077729; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BIHsp9077472; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llyonet@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070911181748.WMSZ21140.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:17:48 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net ([172.18.52.69]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id n6Hn1X00c1VbBFw0000000; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:17:47 -0400 Received: from 72.205.218.193 by webmail.east.cox.net; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:17:47 -0400 Message-ID: <9968067.1189534668756.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:17:48 -0400 From: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: h-costume-request@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici/Laudomia X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 739deab4-2186-4d3f-9ffd-d84f3f66febb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E6DC33.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 11 15:01:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BJ17iY022582 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:01:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8BJ19jq010615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:01:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8BIxFnW020739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BIx83N032440; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BIwfN2031827 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:58:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so1638034fkq for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:58:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TDS51W+htnoa1EJy1RgVQcheNHcY6Hj0xIsKJp9lFgY=; b=kqFz/Y1uFbJ07YZwcf6Euu7rdXdSmhkFVs6GEksvCx1MhQ/NMgbj8XiKsHtupaqewuhS/lfyU1I9KngyeAP/ClYK1QRCV3xFMhbIXRYgQxYQvYJ1hvucRdyKnI1hXA6yeBEK9aVJ+m9CpfNClQxXClJdA62pLOGEHEAaHga05vw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L8FshYV7TdMwgyvrID82n+TXgAPnf940W5B/RXXYODluru3jAOfv9YJXI3y3ungilz41LwuCaoENU7skGJR24jccWmbuftMLpxRg67aEEif+Vg0GNvf6+WsydG2B0tdfsNho/6P0mzj4izDuGz7ZlTMiImx9xNF9wevhBWl+i40= Received: by 10.82.165.13 with SMTP id n13mr6717172bue.1189537115634; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.119.19 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0709111158o6a98c4ebtee559df429bd1488@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:58:35 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici/Laudomia In-Reply-To: <9968067.1189534668756.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9968067.1189534668756.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd7c3a0c-3a61-48bb-82bd-e40f5f5b5f8d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E6E5F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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On 9/11/07, llyonet@cox.net wrote: > Thank you so much, Kind Ladies for the links. > I do not have Moda Frieze (sp) too broke right now for it, but it is on my wish list. > I do have "2000 Years of Fashion" but in my copy, tis black and white. > Beautiful gown and I am not having much luck at resisting the temptation of making it up in a jewel tone. > Thanks again for the links. > Lyonet > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 11 15:27:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BJRXs1023612 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:27:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8BJRXWD019826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8BJQ3Xu057249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BJPttM067039; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:25:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BJPo7g066892 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.227.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.227]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IVBMr-0006H2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:25:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9968067.1189534668756.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> References: <9968067.1189534668756.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6359446B-8DC9-4456-A8CE-1890F92CB4DE@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laudonia de Medici/Laudomia Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:27:46 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f634633b-8edf-4a93-a1ad-45e5da0fcec5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E6EC25.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My color screen displays the color illustration of the gown as a dark, dark plum rather than black. If you're going for color, I can recommend dark, dark plum--just gorgeous! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:17 PM, wrote: > Thank you so much, Kind Ladies for the links. > I do not have Moda Frieze (sp) too broke right now for it, but it > is on my wish list. > I do have "2000 Years of Fashion" but in my copy, tis black and white. > Beautiful gown and I am not having much luck at resisting the > temptation of making it up in a jewel tone. > Thanks again for the links. > Lyonet > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 11 17:40:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BLeILG027343 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:40:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8BLeHpp002986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:40:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8BLd4OV033612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BLcwYI041504; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8BLcqDQ041246 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d3d.11be7f16 (30739) for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:38:44 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume brag books online X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c0e2ccd1-5de3-4745-a48f-a4e91dc045e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46E70B42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I suppose the gallery section of my website would count as one (brag book that is). there's a ton of stuff that I have yet to get around to adding, but there's a bit. _http://www.deborahloughcostumes.com/gallery.html_ (http://www.deborahloughcostumes.com/gallery.html) debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 11 21:11:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C1Ba6H032159 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:11:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8C1BbQ1031639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8C1AS5u061578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C1AOFP056926; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C1ALlG056789 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:10:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c92.131d82f3 (41811) for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:10:07 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Buttons & things colonial X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5e0305a-84e8-42de-889e-6112255d57fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E73CCA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings Earthlings, =20 I'm making a 1770's colonial rural town crier. Obviously, the client wants=20 it to look Paul Revere-ish and sorta Norman Rockwell.... nothing unusual an= d=20 something kids [his audience] will get right away. It's hot down here and=20 everything will be linen....in fact linen I ALREADY HAD in a box in a =20 closet...Yay! So I want to evoke a colonial military uniform but not have it= actually be=20 a uniform. The shirt is made...and is white handkerchief linen with buttons= =20 made of shell. The waistcoat will be unbleached linen that has a pale bone/= =20 taupe look and that typical linen weave. I think I'll line it in some mediu= m=20 brown cotton I have. The breeches will be a linen that looks like kettle=20 cloth, y'know where the yarns are unevenly dyed. It has a medium indigo blu= e mixed=20 with the bone color of the waistcoat. The coat will be a typical civilian coat without revers in a blue that =20 almost looks like denim but with more of a cobalt blue hue to it. I thought= I=20 would line it in white but cannot find any light weight cotton chintz or sl= ick=20 poplin or sateen. I was thinking about buying some cotton sateen sheets to=20= line=20 it with. I had to talk him into the coat so I want to keep it linen/cotton=20 and light. Should I do a mariner's cuff? Too military? I want it to really=20 have the feel of just a piece of cloth, y'know. I may not put any inner-fac= ing=20 in it. I plan to wet it and crumple it a bit so it's not crisp and =20 fashionable. That sagging rumpled linen look.=20 =20 And maybe some gaiters. I like the look of all those buttons up the outside=20= =20 calf. But I do also have riding boots... but I'd have to put a cuff on them=20 and I don't know if he wants to fool with boots. Of course all the buttons=20= on=20 the gaiters! Talk about fooling with something. =20 Which brings me to buttons. Gaiters, breeches, coat, waistcoat.... I need a= =20 million of them. Anyone have a fave source? I like the idea of bone or horn= =20 on the breeches and waistcoat and some metal on the coat and gaiters. Haven= 't=20 check anywhere like Greenburg & Hammer yet but I found some good choices he= re: =20 _http://www.mjtrim.com/Catalog/Category/423.aspx?gclid=3DCPH37_vt-40CFQMYFQo= dikA rKw_=20 (http://www.mjtrim.com/Catalog/Category/423.aspx?gclid=3DCPH37_vt-40CFQMYFQo= dikArKw)=20 =20 =20 But how about those typical plain ol' pewter buttons. I haven't even =20 looked...but where would you go for those? Certainly right for the gaiters. =20 How about a leather tricorn? Too "Pirates of the Caribbean?" =20 The only other thing I think he needs is a satchel. That could fulfill my =20 leather accessory need! Does any reenactor vendor make a military leather =20 satchel? It doesn't look like a difficult thing to make though. Or I wonder=20= in a =20 tack shop would have something like saddle bags that might work. Hmmmmm.... =20 Any input from you learn=E9d colleagues will be most welcome. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 11 23:01:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C312A0002333 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:01:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8C313I4010535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:01:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8C2xu0l072637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:59:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C2xrZx052509; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:59:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C2xorb052377 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JO80077EIZCXVK0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:59:29 -0400 From: monica spence To: Maunche , Laurel , Classes , Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need lacemaking info for a novel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b0217af-d07a-45cb-b08a-806075eb425a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E75670.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Catriona/ Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 12 01:17:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C5Hggd005570 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:17:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8C5HhTd025412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:17:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8C5GUCg097330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C5GEpF079561; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8C5G9w2079482 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200709120516.l8C5G9w2079482@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 32353 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2007 22:16:07 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31974, pid: 32315, t: 9.6957s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 11 Sep 2007 22:15:57 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:12:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need lacemaking info for a novel In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe10820e-a06f-45d6-80ef-882de82b8a73 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E77677.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You may develop problems with your sight, or general health problems from being in a hunched-over position for too many hours at a time. Your hands need to be smooth to avoid catching on the fine threads. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 12 05:35:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C9ZXrg020612 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:35:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8C9ZYFT005342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8C9YNI6020453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:34:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8C9YIIU089159; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8C9YAki088823 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 48693 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2007 09:34:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VITM0CkVM1m81CybAj6oR39Y1s0V9mwxeNp8RUW7fP4ZaXE39LCqiyVqWDPSnMhxxw-- Received: from [86.129.241.85] by web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:34:04 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttons & things colonial To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <320635.45317.qm@web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37ecd276-ab8a-4090-bfa6-677763128e44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E7B2E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This isn't my period, but I always envisioned a town crier to look a bit like this guy with stockings and buckled shoes: http://www.noquartergiven.net/hamptonbbfestival.htm (about 1/3 down the page) It would certainly be less work than all of those buttonholes on the gaiters. :) AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: Greetings Earthlings, I'm making a 1770's colonial rural town crier. ... And maybe some gaiters. I like the look of all those buttons up the outside calf. But I do also have riding boots... but I'd have to put a cuff on them and I don't know if he wants to fool with boots. Of course all the buttons on the gaiters! Talk about fooling with something. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 12 07:03:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CB3HG8001500 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:03:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8CB3JoD001112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:03:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8CB2Fwk027843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:02:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CB2Aai058915; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.225.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CB26He058769 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200709121102.l8CB26He058769@net.indra.com> Received: from nunnweinberg1.comcast.net (c-75-73-48-23.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[75.73.48.23]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070912110201b130009jjge>; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:02:01 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:00:59 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02451D10@lynx.campus.muc.p rv> References: <529492.97592.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02451D10@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: silks for sale & NEW Elizabethan corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3757dd87-e9fa-43ff-a049-3548b30341d8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E7C777.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings, Please forgive this commercial post. I've already posted this to the YahooGroups but for those of you who aren't members and might be interested... I'm moving and clearing out my fabric stash. I've just added a bunch of silks to the page... http://www.cyberiosity.com/FabricSale/Default.html Please email me at gilshallos@comcast.net if you are interested in any of these fabrics. I apologize in advance - none of the gowns currently showing on the garb page are available, however there will be a silk and linen corset boned with reeds going up on that page tomorrow, as well as a wool cloak. If anyone is interested in the corset and wants photos before tomorrow I can easily email them. It is a brand new corset, never worn (the purchaser reneged so I'm dropping the price to sell) and is silk, linen and boned with reeds. Cheers, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 12 12:34:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CGYY1d009644 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:34:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8CGYabd004529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:34:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8CGVMkV081776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CGVAXU032828; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CGUuLr032472 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:30:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d04.18f121de (65099) for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:30:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttons & things colonial To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c1f287e-3c95-43d6-a65b-15ffb1e24166 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E8151C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 9/12/2007 5:35:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beteena@mostlymedieval.com writes: a bit like this guy with stockings and buckled shoes: *************** See, that's what he originally wanted. But a waistcoat sans coat? Nope. [Maybe a sleeved one. And that seems a bit old fashioned to me for 1770's. We also discussed a work smock and also a rifle shirt.] He can op to not wear the coat if he chooses. And, in an attempt to make the costume more interesting, I like the idea of gaiters, or riding boots. Making gaiters is less expensive than the right shoes. I really hate those fake buckle thingies! He can also op out of the gaiters if he chooses. I'm giving him a complete outfit. He can wear it the way he wants, I suppose, but I want to do my part correctly. It's for theatre [he's a story teller] however, not a museum, so I'm not doing handmade buttonholes. [I may do all the top stitching by hand though, because that really looks different from machine top stitching. There's also a trick we did on "Interview with the Vampire" where you just quickly do a whip stitch around machine buttonholes... not that close together. It just makes the buttonhole not look so machine-made neat. Still, I've seen hand made buttonholes that are perfect and look like no human hand has touched them.] ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 12 16:19:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CKJM72015159 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:19:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8CKIrGh005288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:18:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8CKHDVw033977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CKH6wU034318; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra2.swissinfo.org (barra2.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8CIBuSY070228 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1189620352-42f800840001-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.76:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra2.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 047A751F60C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra2.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id eWvK5j1CJTBSJdyb for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200 (CEST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800B373F1 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200 Message-ID: <01f201c7f567$b9bff470$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <9968067.1189534668756.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> <16a2233a0709111158o6a98c4ebtee559df429bd1488@mail.gmail.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Lucrezia (was: Laudonia de Medici/Laudomia) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1189620362 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lucrezia (was: Laudonia de Medici/Laudomia) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E849AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 12 20:39:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8D0dvS5021881 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:39:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8D0dxBi003429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8D0creI066508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8D0clml031601; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8D0cjEE031455 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so432415waf for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:38:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0Z+isHPaoZzHdvtt6ZZo9Ne5BPCbQlXI12xutXKYHRo=; b=WNeY44HXDHiNvmqmgC3m8hriDokXCoi/DblY2xevIk1i+2ZJoNhyDPG8+60Uyf1lD5as88iNpMq6aNGqY5vYMb0Bzk2REOyFStccIUqRpEUDS826/T+DUPRR7JEgPAR65BjJ3UNKJFlwAo+qUs31HIGaItL4puuUEfH0ATKSyD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ufk/hJBwQDBh4n4vu6sMQmTgCedJlQNcQh+hXEbyei2knFj/DjntGEGfOZxhsWNMNlj2066hpVGQUK5Yg1LjZxJnjLXYoKbx8MFqt0yzBwg17H0f1fiPbDawp6vsrBtiCH7HIe5I5/eZ5NXPiJIw9BXeUdlof9lvw31/C2jC0AY= Received: by 10.115.78.1 with SMTP id f1mr137537wal.1189643920000; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.203.11 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070709121738h3f9a1293q50524316523ac974@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:38:39 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for h-costumers in NOLA In-Reply-To: <829341.53403.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709121801.l8CI0s8c055518@net.indra.com> <829341.53403.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2387621e-d628-4bb4-b897-5e792c788cc6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46E886DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a friend in New Orleans. She is a fabulous costumer--does wonderful embroidery and embellishments--mainly late 19th and early 20th c. And she has started making repro. shoes. I can forward your contact info. to her if you'd like. She also does vintage dance, WW I, is a musician, and works at a museum. There are several vintage dancers in the New Orleans Area, not sure how active they are for events. Katy On 9/12/07, Brooke Aiello wrote: > > I have rescently moved from California to New Orleans > and I am desperate to meet other historical > costumers.... Any on this list? Anyone know of any > historical costume/dance /re-enactment folks (All the > civil war folks seem mostly military focused) in the > area? Any and all help or suggestions would be appreciated > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. 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Catriona/ Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 02:38:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8D6c6sV013295 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:38:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8D6c8v2006080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8D6b15n004133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8D6asdZ055687; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8D6akYi055566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-160-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.160]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l8D6ahxp021197 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:36:44 +1000 Message-ID: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:36:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87aae65f-2a24-4701-8384-40469dadca63 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E8DAD0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi all, I've been invited to a 'Pirates of the Carribean' ball this weekend and I'm trying to create an 18th century impression (accuracy isn't hugely important but I'd like to kind of fit with the theme). I've done what I can with the dress itself (basically taking this dress http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/315985189_13bdd4e2ef.jpg and trying to make it look like a robe a l'anglaise by adding a ruffle of lace to simulate engageantes [sp?], I also thought of looping the skirt up to simulate a polonaise but as it's not open in front I don't think that will work so well). But I think what is going to really make this look 18th century is the accessories. Thus far my plans are to try to simulate an 18th century hairstyle using my own (hip length) hair over pads and possibly a cap of some sort. So my question is does anybody know of instructions on the web for making an 18th century cap that might work with 18th century big hair but also work OK with more flat hair if my attempts at big hair fail. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 04:10:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8D8AD1K029010 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:10:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8D8AER3027369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8D893mu014090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:09:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8D88xNh042336; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8D88t2g042177 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 873 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2007 08:04:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u/RCnbHgF75IAHLnEx4K/zh4ZvYMnGAbZjVShEfGecDxrW31lEVUZcnkas7Y0O428CNh+2opZXfgLJ/yfpnuIISTlTNNG+KC8rEInIGzbwKSZhbWQkzFzpeMEJ23D6Jzpj78wyuT+C+VOOclHS/Ose/1RbAGjG6v9ZIYYwU7BSs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (waddiejean@80.177.117.223 with plain) by smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2007 08:04:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hP0wTEMVM1mmC_fSGz6F1MWZ1YnttkjpsgXsVi848k7sDESwtjsn5RoxL884HN2TWpn1SbxkCn3CZkwxyyxkRglyeDKHZl7l1nve1UgpjVCMbpa7YpcC8T2VGkdGE06Ijv6sQYJ91kdKcysfhq6FYbMdDNSe23Xscg-- Message-ID: <46E8EF09.5020104@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:04:25 +0100 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear References: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c0595cf1-675a-42a2-a997-5f7b478b3f00 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E8F066.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quickest and easiest would be a small lace-edged doily with two streamers, if you achieve big hair, or a little ribbon bow at the back if not. If you have time you can run a casing round the edge of the fabric circle and gather it so it's a bit more head-shaped rather than completely flat. Attach with bobby pins through the lace so they don't show. JEan Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hi all, I've been invited to a 'Pirates of the Carribean' ball this > weekend and I'm trying to create an 18th century impression (accuracy > isn't hugely important but I'd like to kind of fit with the theme). > I've done what I can with the dress itself (basically taking this > dress http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/315985189_13bdd4e2ef.jpg and > trying to make it look like a robe a l'anglaise by adding a ruffle of > lace to simulate engageantes [sp?], I also thought of looping the > skirt up to simulate a polonaise but as it's not open in front I don't > think that will work so well). But I think what is going to really > make this look 18th century is the accessories. Thus far my plans are > to try to simulate an 18th century hairstyle using my own (hip length) > hair over pads and possibly a cap of some sort. > So my question is does anybody know of instructions on the web for > making an 18th century cap that might work with 18th century big hair > but also work OK with more flat hair if my attempts at big hair fail. > thanks > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 13:22:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DHM8u2000810 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:22:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DHM9qJ026370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:22:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DHERH7087350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DHECJI027357; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DHE9N2027140 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so525021nfd for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:14:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=A0gbH1HkdNhuXM8eXJH74ohhlMpbmiukcQ3UBpVkKBQ=; b=NjNuQs0LHbkC6KswUiRb3o/bkTtwmYUBch9Pptj+knuIeBIDSbT5Ba6AlUINHuscuhm066Sd4kNtGPL52jWpdEZeiMWvO6swqPesgPY1BfmXooGMgfmajPnZ3oD+UD+aJM2+8Eehyzvk8OP0EgNiomRf7wn/t7sTL0KmJOtxyQQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BpJKKFDyy8yps6JcqieaG2Y8hzlCX3jHUN3SKDBi/pwN1QPhoqhYClNU0/xPXgXf1rqRGSVqe5ai8Y88pKWDPJQqOLDGyZ81BeRonKgF7nfG32hHUoHWj3WczXIXH0l3uj9+/duTnEMFbyZI5vpSaO7Sk0NOM0Mr/bza+hHmQeA= Received: by 10.78.21.7 with SMTP id 7mr523166huu.1189703642353; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.137.15 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0709131014n60f7ffa3s62b6448fb2ac4c40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:14:02 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear In-Reply-To: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63085c16-4fb9-49b2-b217-8c9fc6e5758c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E971C1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Add a kerchief over the shoulders and pin to the front; it's amazing how much that will aid the picture. LynnD On 10/12/07, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hi all, I've been invited to a 'Pirates of the Carribean' ball this weekend > and I'm trying to create an 18th century impression (accuracy isn't hugely > important but I'd like to kind of fit with the theme). I've done what I can > with the dress itself (basically taking this dress > http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/315985189_13bdd4e2ef.jpg and trying to > make it look like a robe a l'anglaise by adding a ruffle of lace to simulate > engageantes [sp?], I also thought of looping the skirt up to simulate a > polonaise but as it's not open in front I don't think that will work so > well). But I think what is going to really make this look 18th century is > the accessories. Thus far my plans are to try to simulate an 18th century > hairstyle using my own (hip length) hair over pads and possibly a cap of > some sort. > So my question is does anybody know of instructions on the web for making an > 18th century cap that might work with 18th century big hair but also work OK > with more flat hair if my attempts at big hair fail. > thanks > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 13:44:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DHi2lK001407 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:44:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DHi49Y013825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DHhAUw092931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DHh78A065781; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DHh1Ax065525 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4502D100A3C for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:42:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46E976AC.9050801@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:43:08 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear References: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> <8296995c0709131014n60f7ffa3s62b6448fb2ac4c40@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0709131014n60f7ffa3s62b6448fb2ac4c40@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0516dbbe-383d-4640-b46f-42e3ccbb910d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E976E4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lynn Downward wrote: > Add a kerchief over the shoulders and pin to the front; it's amazing > how much that will aid the picture. > LynnD Yes, a lace or embroidery trimmed fichu will do a lot. Or a ruffle at the neckline in lace. Also a fan and a small purse would be good accessories. I did a quick look through some of my books and don't see much on headwear for parties, indoors, at that time. It looks like arranged hair with some kind of lacy cap and or flowers and bows was it. Brimmed hats seem to be an outdoor thing. Hope we can see pictures when you're done! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 14:47:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DIlbCP002782 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:47:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DIlan2013864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:47:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DIkPKW003883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DIkLxt044031; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8DIkFsd043797 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14488 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2007 18:46:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YUNFKyR63RSqXkQaOqM+71DM6FgkOKWYMC5nR9WqnZTjBFPmQ4U217fkgbc1CJ7Lis8W6RZeRWmZyEa1fdClD/7IGr5N9/BOJ10Bihwh78tc/j9cwlt1B/h9DULtPzEHWXURuUx12b7HNVkNFlUxUUNLi2fHhuIu/X3sz69sxLg=; X-YMail-OSG: 0QAKj.0VM1lu6JJ5E.WIPp.9x7nvAfYPkMO3Da7dr0EH9h.iJzys.AYHtce6D0Gifw-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:46:09 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2d1b675-3365-467c-92df-a2bf73bad2ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E985C8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello, I recently looked through a (not yet published) costume book of one of my friends which tells about clothing in the western Europe around the 13th and 14th centuries. It is divided into chapters, each for one specific garment (like gardecorp, tunic, surcotte...). It is supposed to talk about nobility. Well, in a chapter about women's underwear, I found a picture of a woman wearing something like male braies, and another picture depicting a woman with a garment that looked like today's pants or knickers. It was redrawn, but if I could only remember the source... The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, if I remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign of scandal or anything else. Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. Do you know anything about this? I really am confused but this topic interests me quite a lot, so I'd like to get to know something more about it:-) Many thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 15:16:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJGpui003236 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:16:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DJGrjI002949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:16:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DJGJKS008514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJGHiN081586; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJGAYa081341 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C83100AB4 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46E98C82.5000305@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:16:18 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? References: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79e940c9-3e6f-4bc3-9a26-0fc1ddedb285 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46E98CA5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 15:25:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJP7vY003370 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:25:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DJP91v008751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:25:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DJOlUY009872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJOjGp091633; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJOe0W091554 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:24:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so555238fkq for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:24:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=m7vcdcF83hE/DtViFx36sf8yn5fyRq/FH3VZjbMtSBA=; b=qanQmEw7Gcy2fCHYcfeeJJa9Ojrhd1auIOsKXT0uwPGQs+5V33bcDeq3I/mqlDfFG2VAvUMI+FMVggDHI9/BpVjyjTgrKeWIsgK4e7nBWmL0mmqKo/Vg6i3IubsmgTxxFczrFwk0vjWdJTGjnV8O88UHTN8Zm45Ub4t6qQvwwCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DpvPf1HS236sNr0ajjuIXJqP3ZK3Sm3a/mi+dkcFIdpODVppHp6saTpSSjGIIsONmdaunoM2U70yWUjou/9iGXIRMoIsWwtnIwNpceumC43jG6xLEtz352zhdO6aWr8boVFE+AcDDPRAXfRrU1gVI5UzrM6QwVlA8+vw4bjMGhA= Received: by 10.82.177.3 with SMTP id z3mr1279650bue.1189711479745; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.119.19 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0709131224h3810a067v40f1dfe7a2b83369@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:24:39 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? In-Reply-To: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db76d06f-f5ba-48b6-8b3d-210a3c22bde8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46E98E95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? My understanding is that chausses were worn equally by men and women. I don't know if they just wore knee-high hose or full-leg chausses, though. > If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. A simple belt would do here. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 15:30:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJUPJj003494 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:30:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DJUQmk011102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:30:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DJTpQV010517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJTmI7097718; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:29:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJTgXv097520 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c6b.16c2aa39 (41809) for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:29:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbb764a7-fd37-455b-9490-fcde46dd6847 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E98FD2.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, a fichu is a real sign of the 18th century. Also a ribbon and/or lace choker with the bow tied at the back. As for a cap, the not accurate but often used circle of batiste or embroidered net or something, gathered 2 or 3" in from the edge is a choice. The real cut of this kind of cap is a "D" shape, with the curved part gathered to a straight band anywhere from 1" to 3" wide [can be tapered at the ends]. The straight part of the "D" has a narrow casing at the hem with a hole at its center for the ends of narrow tapes [that ribbon for ribbon embroidery works well] to come through so you can pull it and draw it up as much as you need and tie the tapes in a little bow at CB. One can just run elastic thru the straight part and put a little fake bow in the center... The edge of the band [that the curved part is gathered to] can have a frill of lace or batiste added to it. If you make this frill a little wider at the sides than at the front it looks very period. If you do a quickie and just do the gathered circle version, you might want to make it an oval keeping the casing for the gathers a circle....thus making the outer ruffle a little wider at the sides. This can be perched on top of a mountain of hair, or pinned slightly it the back for the lower hair dos. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 15:41:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJf5OP003763 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:41:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DJf78I028541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:41:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DJeM8n012137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJeJaB010650; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJeBKs010397 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:40:05 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0709131224h3810a067v40f1dfe7a2b83369@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Thread-Index: Acf2PAJ4rSAxlxHYSFW1vL1CH4Ou2AAAXfDw From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4792617-1029-4e90-a282-e0daf191bbca X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E99253.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There are images out there aplenty of women's hiked skirts showing chausses-- and they tend to be knee-high. The Egerton Genesis has drawings of Dinah being raped in the market and her leg is exposed-- definitely knee-high. The various Tacuinum (Tacuinae?) also have women showing a bit of leg here and there, and again, it seems knee-high chausses were the norm.=20 Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com=20 >[mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:25 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? > >> Another question that has something in common with the first=20 >one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? > >My understanding is that chausses were worn equally by men and women. >I don't know if they just wore knee-high hose or full-leg=20 >chausses, though. > >> If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the=20 >chausses to something. > >A simple belt would do here. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 16:01:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DK1vH2004198 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:01:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DK1wxn018802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:02:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DK0VpI014673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DK02QI033798; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:00:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DJxsO1033501 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:59:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail16.att.net ([204.127.135.42]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2007091319594811200ogpeee>; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from [63.241.202.8] by mwebmail16.att.net; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:59:47 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:59:47 +0000 Message-Id: <091320071959.11098.46E996B30003F53F00002B5A21602813020A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 420 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e77fd29-978e-49fd-ac28-c40dd9577142 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E99736.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> From: AlbertCat@aol.com : > > I'm making a 1770's colonial rural town crier. --------- You don't say how authentic you wnat to ooutfit to be. Assuming you want some, but not complete, authenticity, here are some suggestions off the top of my head. (Read between the lines) ---------- The waistcoat will be unbleached linen that has a pale bone/ > taupe look and that typical linen weave. I think I'll line it in some medium > brown cotton I have. ------- If it is hot I would strongly recommend lining the waistcoat and coat in linen, not cotton---MUCH cooler and wicks moisture away from the body better. (coming from a re-enactor in Virginia, where we know about hot weather) If you are interested in authenticity, you might try an lightweight natural-color linen. I think you would be happier making the coat lined rather than unlined, as you suggested. It will be receiving a lot of wear, presumably, and will last longer if it is lined. In hot weather, it will soon take on the slightly rumpled linen look you are seeking. ------- > And maybe some gaiters. I like the look of all those buttons up the outside > calf. But I do also have riding boots... but I'd have to put a cuff on them > and I don't know if he wants to fool with boots. Of course all the buttons on > the gaiters! Talk about fooling with something. -------- Riding boots would not only be correct for most 18th century men, but have you ever spent a day in riding boots? Tired, hot, unhappy feet will result. If I were a town crier spending my day on the streets, I would much prefer shoes. If you do not think that plain breeches and stockings are not sufficient, maybe you could consider half-gaiters or spatter-dashes, which do not cover the whole lower leg--cooler, simpler and more comfortable. -------- > > Which brings me to buttons. Gaiters, breeches, coat, waistcoat.... I need a > million of them. Anyone have a fave source? I like the idea of bone or horn > on the breeches and waistcoat and some metal on the coat and gaiters. ----------- Here are some sources of more authentic buttons: > http://www.hushcobuttons.com/Natural-horn-bone-leather.htm http://www.wmboothdraper.com/ http://www.gggodwin.com/page21.htm http://jas-townsend.com/index.php?cPath=18 ---------------- > How about a leather tricorn? Too "Pirates of the Caribbean?" ---------- WAAAY to POTC, to my mind. A plain wool felt cocked hat ("tricorn") would be more authentic and more comfortable in hot conditions. ------------ > > The only other thing I think he needs is a satchel. That could fulfill my > leather accessory need! Does any reenactor vendor make a military leather > satchel? It doesn't look like a difficult thing to make though. Or I wonder in a > tack shop would have something like saddle bags that might work. Hmmmmm.... > ---------- If you are interested in authenticity, I believe a canvvas haversack would be more appropriate. Hope these suggestions help. Jane Pease _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 16:10:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DKADLO004364 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:10:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DKAFcx009325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DK9ZJw016046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:09:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DK8wtd044332; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DK8Q5d043703 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.18.93]) by bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:08:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:08:19 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.65.185 by bl115fd.blu115.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:08:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.121.65.185] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com In-Reply-To: <829341.53403.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for h-costumers in NOLA Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:08:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2007 20:08:19.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3F4C750:01C7F641] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59cd4790-3317-4610-991c-ae0ca8ee9488 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E99927.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you want SCA (medieval anad renaissance) re-enactors, check out http://kingdomofgleannabhann.org/ and look under local groups. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 16:32:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DKWGDK004715 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:32:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DKWIDl014814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:32:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DKVWtB019434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DKVL02071949; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DKVErG071771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l8DKV1ma021802 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:31:04 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52849.72.13.239.193.1189716295.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 284111e3-0c7d-4d92-9c97-cc34d136c343 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E99E52.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You said it was a ball, right? and you're going to style your long hair into something big? In that case, my suggestion is to add a couple of ostrich plumes. Pearls, silk flowers and the like could be used, too. There is one charicature of a lady with a ship in full sail worked into her do! But caps, not so much. Although a neck-handkerchief (fichu) would help the style of the gown, they were worn less in the evening than the daytime and less by younger women compared to older. So you may prefer to not bother with that, either, although the neck frill (gathered fabric or lace as a choker) would be nice. At pirate events, women tend to show off their charms quite a lot. As for polonaise on an open gown, that's what they did! You wear a petticoat underneath (what we would call a skirt). Ball-wear would have a petticoat of the same fabric as the gown. Sleeve ruffles or cuffs would also be the same fabric, with white fabric or lace for the engegentes. A fan is a nice accessory, but I would not bother with a bag. Ladies wore pockets under their petticoats, and they were accessed through slits at the side of the petticoat (leave the side seam unstitched for the top 8"). That way your personal items stay with you and you have your hands free to dance. Much depends on the part of the 18thC you are going for, and many movies are all over the place with that. The ball may also have a wide era for what's expected on the participants. You can probably get away with wearing knee socks (don't wear horizntal stripes) which would be white or colors depending on the era and your sense of style. Wear black stockings & shoes if you think the footwear is not "right" and you want it to disappear. Oh, and a thin coat of clown white for a base, rouged cheeks, and a few black patches to complete the look. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 17:14:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DLEIei005521 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:14:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DLEJ9h028476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:14:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DLCjga027048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DLCY8O024523; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:12:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8DLCSH7024263 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 54537 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2007 21:12:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sdQj4vQdoUOhUwT6EdlXL6O/OZ33H3rg5bqFnbH6uV6Dj/oVzA0PpeCH7n6KUWCnbUc1aSwwDyo0UAL3NwgbA0gnh9qGMg64NEA2E3utDHN+BnOfwYI/5ZpHtVNZjWwSXJIN4u+r6QqXaVIpSNXM9zFLsYokFHrodL8KaTKfyBM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Do please try to go back and find out the source! In our group we always say "we don't know what women wore under their dresses, because we haven't found any naughty pictures from the period". But I for one often wear braies just for warmth. You don't necessarily need braies to wear hose or chausses, you can tie them straight to a belt or wear knee-length ones, but it's more comfortable with braies. In terms of it being a scandal for women to wear drawers in later periods, it's amazing how short society's memory can be about that sort of thing. And I was told by Hungarian folk dancers in the 1990s that, for them, it was still just recently that only prostitutes wore knickers. Their dancing skirts were almost full circle, sunray pleated, but they wore a very short, straight underskirt to preserve their decency when the skirts flew up in spins and (they said) no knickers underneath. Jean Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hello, > > I recently looked through a (not yet published) costume book of one of my friends which tells about clothing in the western Europe around the 13th and 14th centuries. It is divided into chapters, each for one specific garment (like gardecorp, tunic, surcotte...). It is supposed to talk about nobility. > > Well, in a chapter about women's underwear, I found a picture of a woman wearing something like male braies, and another picture depicting a woman with a garment that looked like today's pants or knickers. It was redrawn, but if I could only remember the source... > > The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, if I remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign of scandal or anything else. > > Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. > > Do you know anything about this? I really am confused but this topic interests me quite a lot, so I'd like to get to know something more about it:-) > > Many thanks, > > Zuzana > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! 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(Heather, did I summarize this correctly?) ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 17:58:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DLwXL1006209 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:58:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DLwZa0005424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DLuprD037019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:57:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DLr5WW068217; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra2.swissinfo.org (barra2.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DKqe8i099721 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1189716011-2f6d008b0001-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.76:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra2.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 5DC2A56ED66 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:40:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra2.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id JUlC3BbkpIGUzraO for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:40:14 +0200 (CEST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800B7FEAA for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:40:14 +0200 Message-ID: <02e501c7f646$6fdd82c0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:41:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1189716015 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0efc15a-ab55-48a7-913b-2562ee979f2a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E9B28B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" << Well, in a chapter about women's underwear, I found a picture of a woman wearing something like male braies, and another picture depicting a woman with a garment that looked like today's pants or knickers. It was redrawn, but if I could only remember the source...>> I betcha the top image here was at least one of them: http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/drawers.htm << The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, if I remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign of scandal or anything else. >> >From what I've read--not that I've researched it seriously or anything--there was a good bit of scandal associated with the wearing of drawers/pantaloons/pantalettes (ankle-length drawers) in the early 19thC (starting in 1806). It was considered highly indecent to have anything between your legs like that; the shameless hussies, wearing men's garments! Also, a flesh-toned pair worn under a sheer gown, as apparently was sometimes done, presented a very scandalously risque look--think wet t-shirt with no bra, especially since dashing females are said to have dampened their dresses to make them cling. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 18:36:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMaPbC006971 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:36:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DMaLNl023114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:36:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DMZ6pc045226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMYwjM014490; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailforward1.unl.edu (mailforward1.unl.edu [129.93.1.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMYsEw014417 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by mailforward1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DMYs0t022061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:34:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DMYstd017713 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:34:54 -0500 Received: from lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com (lin-dsl-static-206-222-194-145.inetnebr.com [206.222.194.145]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:34:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20070913173454.6bqjxjgqqs44oo8c@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:34:54 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? References: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02e501c7f646$6fdd82c0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <02e501c7f646$6fdd82c0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4264/Thu Sep 13 01:06:05 2007 on mailforward1.unl.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f481a4b-14cf-4df5-906c-5343b162bb89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E9BB65.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Well, if I > remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal > it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started > to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was > actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign > of scandal or anything else. >> I would treat with caution any stories of the scandalous things Catherine de Medici did. At least one of these stories (13" iron corset) seems to have been anti-French propaganda on the part of the British, coming from a Victorian history of underwear (_Freaks of Fashion, the Corset and the Crinoline_, by somebody or other Lord; per Valerie Steele's _A Cultural History of the Corset_) Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 18:41:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMfM10007106 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:41:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DMfO7V024825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DMf4C4045827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMf27d021092; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra2.swissinfo.org (barra2.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMexo9020917 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1189722842-2de000040002-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.76:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra2.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 013AA579E2F for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra2.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id 6JzJbKQaXf75jawY for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:34:05 +0200 (CEST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800B8515C for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:34:06 +0200 Message-ID: <033201c7f656$5806ced0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1729196.1189719677842.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:35:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1189722846 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c0456f2-2429-4205-91a5-79bd7c4519fe X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46E9BC94.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" ...<< Basically, what I think she winds up saying is that virtually all the pictorial examples of women wearing braies in medieval Western Europe turn out to fit into one of two themes: (1) mythical women such as the Amazon warrior queen Penthisilea; or (2) "who wears the pants in the family" arguments between women and men. Neither one of these seems intended as a realistic picture of what women actually wore. >> It's been a while since I've read any of the texts in question, but I seem to remember running across quite a few crude gothic-era jokes about women, particularly mothers-in-law, falling down stairs or the like and landing with their nekkid bum in the air. The jokes wouldn't have worked nearly so well if the women in question were wearing braies... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 18:56:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMuBAw007332 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:56:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DMuDIq030102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:56:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DMtckr049367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMtXnE037461; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DMtRBZ037281 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F659.29E22ABA" Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:50:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Thread-Index: Acf2V0OCvgdTaDCERrCHzgKgFGC8YgAATX4m References: <1729196.1189719677842.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <033201c7f656$5806ced0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 534548a7-21e6-49b9-8eca-0be7819c9b49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E9C00D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F659.29E22ABA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As it happens I'm working on a book too, only pesky life keeps getting = in the way of completion. Sigh. Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was = convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he = could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as an innocent = in the proceedings would have been in question. The reference is buried = in the disaster pile of research, I'll try to find it this weekend.... I don't think it can be said that all women wore them all the time. But = I also don't think women never wore them. Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of E House Sent: Thu 9/13/2007 6:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chris Laning" ...<< Basically, what I think she winds up saying is that virtually all = the=20 pictorial examples of women wearing braies in medieval Western Europe = turn=20 out to fit into one of two themes: (1) mythical women such as the Amazon = warrior queen Penthisilea; or (2) "who wears the pants in the family"=20 arguments between women and men. Neither one of these seems intended as = a=20 realistic picture of what women actually wore. >> It's been a while since I've read any of the texts in question, but I = seem=20 to remember running across quite a few crude gothic-era jokes about = women,=20 particularly mothers-in-law, falling down stairs or the like and landing = with their nekkid bum in the air. The jokes wouldn't have worked nearly = so=20 well if the women in question were wearing braies... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F659.29E22ABA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F659.29E22ABA-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 19:08:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DN8brx007506 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:08:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DN8drh002721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:08:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DN8A6O051636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DN87dx051214; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DN84hD051153 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so706337wxc for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:08:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=Pun+r1rmm1vc0HbJ4pOpUGUFu1WeMqw8xtnLiwl1H5U=; b=X58XtnVZbdhcEB12OQRuToUgl+3BYn1KJ2M5soKOXKS+/L2rWOlPZ9OOdCbG7LVJNb0VzW4REQJvOA6r7raJmVDguk6Wrkf6JL9nnqUkdOB1Q7nqq3RCJuY9gAcgzrucrbBMsCzCsDtrXaae4ITHJQZBm2fHuVMDU9p3pwV/GbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=WzFdyJ0SpUUoXApymWZDxQZ2qylAWb5UW5AUGrSGPVP6gDoLIYW1SCgWJath7sXjj/ONVXtSqkQ+hUyURG/784kHyRfR6NckQHGpr/xV7NzLYEqlSqI+g7c9IZp+6E88la7Up6jk+nDHB/oyySJX9UNtGRMd1AVm/MD4CetBtvo= Received: by 10.90.49.1 with SMTP id w1mr1145647agw.1189724884148; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheBeast ( [70.17.131.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm100736agb.2007.09.13.16.08.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005301c7f65a$f6acfc90$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1729196.1189719677842.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net><033201c7f656$5806ced0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:08:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0da6d7e0-aa66-4ab1-ae8a-60ebb2bb9527 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E9C2F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm of the serious thought that women wore SOMETHING in the winter, because one winter I was dressed in garb for my own personal research and let me clue ya....wind and snow blowing up long skirts (even three layers worth of linen and wool) gets mighty cold!! Backs of my legs and bum were numb after a while. Nope. Wore something on my legs after that. Brangwyne Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? As it happens I'm working on a book too, only pesky life keeps getting in the way of completion. Sigh. Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as an innocent in the proceedings would have been in question. The reference is buried in the disaster pile of research, I'll try to find it this weekend.... I don't think it can be said that all women wore them all the time. But I also don't think women never wore them. Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 19:13:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DNDJjG007642 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:13:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DNDKJX025687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:13:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DNCiOA052147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DNChEn055866; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from regyva.canterbury.ac.nz (regyva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DNCciY055753 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31493) id <01MLCI4PEQ8W9H9T8S@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:12:30 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.200.219] (rcmt-cad45.law.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.200.219]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31493) with ESMTPA id <01MLCI4LBX2Q9GUXPP@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:11:52 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:11:53 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <46E9C3B9.8060207@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <1729196.1189719677842.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <033201c7f656$5806ced0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb7baf36-1a1a-4dd3-9bed-f8d48ab118d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46E9C410.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: >As it happens I'm working on a book too, only pesky life keeps getting in the way of completion. Sigh. > >Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as an innocent in the proceedings would have been in question. The reference is buried in the disaster pile of research, I'll try to find it this weekend.... > >I don't think it can be said that all women wore them all the time. But I also don't think women never wore them. > > That's roughly my feeling on the subject. There are a few suggestive bits of information out there, and those plus the practical considerations lead me to believe that drawers/braies wearing my Medieval women is at least plausible, if hard to document. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 19:21:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DNLNmK007801 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:21:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8DNLP67030173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:21:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8DNL3RV053284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DNL0jE065019; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8DNKqhB064797 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d30.1596c430 (39955) for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:20:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19e0a3b5-2fab-472b-b4da-c40bf2458616 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E9C5F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hating braies as I do (they're just so uncomfortable...) I'm fine with there being no evidence for women wearing them. :o) That said, that's the point really - there isn't any evidence - what there is that I'm aware of is questionable for one reason or another. Plus it may have varied in different parts of Europe - later on Pepys put his wife's wearing of drawers down to her Frenchness! Thinking logically about it, though, they're not needed to hold up women's hosen (generally only knee high, so held up with what later became sash garters), they don't add greatly in terms of warmth, and they do tend to get in the way somewhat at certain times with a full lenght dress (if you get what I mean!). But being in the same group as Jean, I also always tell people that we just don't know. You don't wanna know some of the frankly scary replies I've got from certain MoPs ! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 20:03:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E03YOU008485 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:03:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E03Z4f028180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:03:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E01xLR058302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:01:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E01tJX004138; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:01:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E01rum004098 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so568595nze for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:01:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=k6N+SozW+QcpLt/RljDk3oAMTlfjU3Zb9jO+xew+ppc=; b=I0TZYS090STIhBex/SyGG+vQvRXL95zX9+90aDSUahljGeN3iMGBHN5p2I+Yy3loxW6vztVf/Q+tegWyK8mJLgqj4e30FuG+mkxPDCuqtPh0CoAleWLb+w0jKzzvwelsM6mBW4PexoP5iim/yhJhLNwUbyq5Yxbzv7CkhoEazyk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Daih2FqlcUqjR6+fj+eQN3/OC7N+FQhePKdOzawJI6wuvNFzYe7EiV5mniKOo2MM3BG/dOKLpoSZDVbfQXfxHcDZ+9DL/srCKPRKfRBizgFReU5ZkI6pYpVxXDGDvmYeMcekze3uJnUYHsf8sJp0/l11/xKmAdpuaNcLyrOsRxc= Received: by 10.142.154.20 with SMTP id b20mr293811wfe.1189728112419; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:01:52 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf713112-b43d-46ba-8f87-a09a600393cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46E9CFD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Head: Oversized mob cap. Big circle, lace on the edge, elastic to fit. For the skirt, how's about "retroussee dans les poches" or "pulled out thru the pockets. Reach into the pocket-slashes of your gown (you might have to open a side seam), grab the same skirt, but lower down & pull up & back out thru the pockets. It's more of a street look than an evening gown look. You can see a few of these in the Kyoto Museum's "Revolutions" book. Quick, easy & different. Have fun! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear Hi all, I've been invited to a 'Pirates of the Carribean' ball this weekend and I'm trying to create an 18th century impression (accuracy isn't hugely important but I'd like to kind of fit with the theme). I've done what I can with the dress itself (basically taking this dress http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/315985189_13bdd4e2ef.jpg and trying to make it look like a robe a l'anglaise by adding a ruffle of lace to simulate engageantes [sp?], I also thought of looping the skirt up to simulate a polonaise but as it's not open in front I don't think that will work so well). But I think what is going to really make this look 18th century is the accessories. Thus far my plans are to try to simulate an 18th century hairstyle using my own (hip length) hair over pads and possibly a cap of some sort. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 20:09:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E09x6W008581 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:09:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E0A12j028205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:10:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E09fxc059131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E09eHq010975; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sys27.mail.msu.edu (sys27.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.127]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E09ale010916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from osermart@msu.edu) Received: from osermart by sys27.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.63 #1) id 1IVyka-0006BL-K8 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:09:36 -0400 References: <200709132235.l8DMZ9mY014732@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200709132235.l8DMZ9mY014732@net.indra.com> From: "Martha Oser" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:09:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: middle ages: braies for women? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3bb22397-697d-45a8-995f-0985c3cb040b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46E9D159.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. > > Do you know anything about this? I really am confused but this topic interests me quite a lot, so I'd like to get to know something more about it:-) > > Many thanks, > > Zuzana I think we have to imagine that women wore some type of undergarment. You may like going "commando", but I definitely feel more comfy with something "down there". I've become a great wearer of braies not for warmth, but for comfort at sweaty, sticky summer events to keep my inner thighs safe from chafing. I've actually adopted a few of my husband's pairs that are too small for him. As for hose, as others have said we typically see women in knee-high hose, but if you've ever worn a skirt in the winter, you know how the wind can whistle around up underneath. I see no reason why women wouldn't have worn nice tall, wooly chausses in the wintertime. Evidence for this is another matter, of course, but I can't help but think practically about these things. -Helena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 20:46:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E0kB8B009235 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:46:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E0kCkh007481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:46:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E0jeDt063412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E0jcKZ045711; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E0jaKv045623 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:45:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so620356rvf for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:45:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9YET6c6RivXG4Nuxn7F79xwd2j/5T/US7K7cLgkcLXQ=; b=I5jtAvDBO8sapluqJXUh4PFF9H5Cnuj9SImjMwFwGuJs9aacg+7c22AWmo1HSXrlPRuwrf5Igh08pKx3YLeXTDbBcGqxKjo0QOWRPQmpIL3rP5mjHu8jw/YbbgEJ2CcR1FUsRQ9AQ2r9aTDBojOqqlF4JWIuM53F8lASfil4gCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rpy+CKw6Naj0xuAgntjppQl64dapb44w0WNZz9aUH7hKtNXEB/AhMvKGVW0yaLhecqUlUD435SYCjtebY+ybgfrUklG/zXjfmNxjLxJsmOIcOuXnp5+krsYsIdU7p1N0rzecncSIlvS7HphcbsgZbnAImJFGGK0RFCM+hTFV9Is= Received: by 10.142.76.4 with SMTP id y4mr301447wfa.1189730733023; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.255.12 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590709131745i6af4e23du601b2fb453c4dec0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:45:32 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: middle ages: braies for women? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709132235.l8DMZ9mY014732@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28ac5141-2e9f-43dc-a231-acafb975b2d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E9D9D4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > I've become a great wearer of braies not for warmth, but for comfort at > sweaty, sticky summer events to keep my inner thighs safe from chafing. > > As for hose, as others have said we typically see women in knee-high hose, > but if you've ever worn a skirt in the winter, you know how the wind can > whistle around up underneath. I see no reason why women wouldn't have worn > nice tall, wooly chausses in the wintertime. Evidence for this is another > matter, of course, but I can't help but think practically about these > things. > > -Helena My two cents on this, I have found that if you don't want the chaffing, walk slower, Living in south Texas, even when not in costume, that if you walk slowly, chaffing is not an issue anymore. The other thing I've found is that when your skirts drape upon the ground, there's no draft and you stay quite warm. Lift the skirts to move about and then you get the drafts and cold. It would seem there's more to that fashion than conspicuous consumption. for what it's worth alex -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 22:01:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E21dMU010557 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:01:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E21aj0005132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:01:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E20IAQ070764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E20FtS010540; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8E20BR3010393 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:00:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 47024 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2007 02:00:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u15mNkRr9GF3TdrKXUSZYYzKazMvWMoaYs+G6+AYCh0IY8QSfiLuWfDZ/5MVvgDdYpakNgACzk+1cSfm3fR8rTkIVBQEPqA1N0MsjaACanPZdbccklS+rWKdJ0v0ox5WClT1DeE0cVvfSiHW1K/L03uUYG82J5RCY7l/SupXCk8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@99.247.23.166 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2007 02:00:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: F8ftzqYVM1nb2mxOa9GfdKzv4CizNL26pcl8Anb1eeTFGCFSxP5ekmBHjFlgN4LHGw-- Message-ID: <46E9EAFD.50406@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:59:25 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? References: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E9A7B5.8050406@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <46E9A7B5.8050406@yahoo.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e6b4a1f-7621-48f1-8236-f29688d9e79e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46E9EB80.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings! Jean Waddie wrote: > Do please try to go back and find out the source! In our group we > always say "we don't know what women wore under their dresses, because > we haven't found any naughty pictures from the period". Actually, I've seen a couple of illuminations (that go with the "warming oneself by the fire" motif that is often seen for the month of January or February (forget which) in medieval calendars that tend to support the "no underpants" theory. Why? Well, it was obvious there were no underpants by the parts of women's anatomy on display :-) Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 13 22:17:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E2HMPs010820 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:17:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E2HNDo030962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:17:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E2GrJI072898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:16:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E2Gqlv024300; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E2GnYn024236 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:16:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31493) id <01MLCOKOIN689DAKFH@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:16:39 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.200.219] (rcmt-cad45.law.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.200.219]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31493) with ESMTPA id <01MLCOKOUGE29FN13O@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:16:39 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:16:44 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? In-reply-to: <46E9EAFD.50406@rogers.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <46E9EF0C.8010401@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46E9A7B5.8050406@yahoo.co.uk> <46E9EAFD.50406@rogers.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5f23635-2903-4d44-8c95-c31ac1d38c4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46E9EF33.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > > Actually, I've seen a couple of illuminations (that go with the > "warming oneself by the fire" motif that is often seen for the month > of January or February (forget which) in medieval calendars that tend > to support the "no underpants" theory. > > Why? Well, it was obvious there were no underpants by the parts of > women's anatomy on display :-) There's one like that in the Tres Riches Heures, but the man by the fire is also pantsless and there are some white items hanging up. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Les_Tr%C3%A8s_Riches_Heures_du_duc_de_Berry_f%C3%A9vrier.jpg -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 02:28:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E6SwVB028890 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:28:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E6SxIn020963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:29:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E6Rwic010312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E6Rsiu043501; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E6RpnW043404 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ga2IItf6lBSq9/x1IVrc6WBc8qF+3IM1MIr5LswetUOMujmUTXPlSOdAd0faArxA; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.206.249] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IW4eX-0003EW-Dz for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:27:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <887175.13802.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > I recently looked through a (not yet published) costume book of one > of my friends which tells about clothing in the western Europe > around the 13th and 14th centuries. It is divided into chapters, > each for one specific garment (like gardecorp, tunic, surcotte...). > It is supposed to talk about nobility. > > Well, in a chapter about women's underwear, I found a picture of a > woman wearing something like male braies, and another picture > depicting a woman with a garment that looked like today's pants or > knickers. It was redrawn, but if I could only remember the source... > > The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a > general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, if I > remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a > scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th > century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. > Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common > and were no sign of scandal or anything else. It helps to make a clear division between pre-16th century and 16th- and-later century when looking at the question of women and underpants in Europe, because there's some rather strong evidence that Things Changed 'round about then. Speaking of the pre-16th century era, there is a rather pervasive genre of images depicting women wearing -- or very typically, in the act of putting on -- a pair of male-style underpants as an act of gender-reversal. Typically in these depictions, there is an accompanying man using "female" tools, such as a distaff or wool- winder. Alternately, the woman may be beating the man with a distaff. Sometimes the image is more subtle and the underpants are simply displayed prominently between them while other elements of gender-reversal are played out. In at least one wood-carving, the struggle is made overt and the couple are playing tug-of-war over the pants. I strongly suspect that the picture in your friend's book is taken from one of these "battle of the sexes" depictions. The problem with using these images as evidence for what women were actually wearing is that the context presents underpants as not merely a garment worn by men, but as a _definingly_ male garment -- i.e., their use as a symbol of gender reversal only works if the viewer understands that the act of wearing underpants is, by definition, masculine. In addition to the battle-for-the-pants genre, there are other images commonly circulated in the historic costuming community as evidence for medieval women wearing underpants that -- when examined more closely -- are using the underpants as a symbol or representation of women cross-dressing as men. A typical example is an illustration from an edition of Boccaccio's "Concerning Famous Women" (De Claris Mulieribus) for the tale of Queen Semiramis who -- among other things -- was notorious for having ruled disguised as a man. I have yet to research an example of pre-16th century medieval European art depicting a woman wearing underpants that did not turn out to be using the underpants as a symbol of the appropriation of masculine identity or masculine power. But all three of those qualifiers -- "pre-16th century", "medieval", and "European" -- are important in limiting my observations here. (I'd say that "pre-16th century" is unnecessary when specifying "medieval", but the latter can get some very fuzzy interpretations, so it's included more to define an early limit.) When this topic gets discussed on costuming lists, you often see a lot of "argument from personal comfort level". As students of historic costume, I think we need to be very skeptical of the idea that logical argument and "what feels comfortable/appropriate to me" can lead us to an accurate understanding of what people in other cultures and other time periods wore. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 02:30:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E6Uaxt029625 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:30:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E6UcPZ021866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:30:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E6UAJ6010643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E6U7g2045376; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E6U48R045208 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:30:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=I2NDX+ifojaad+kuOYUubBrpbugNJtbs+PyOupYmQ1xX3UPz1N/uHGZoxRI8o98s; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.206.249] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IW4gg-0001zs-JY for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:29:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1729196.1189719677842.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <033201c7f656$5806ced0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:29:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47854a736377a0fff934719cbf26cd53b34eea5ece4b2f813cb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.206.249 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e68dfb59-5aad-40a3-a248-ab50af3c3268 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EA2A8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 03:38:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E7cR5E011137 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:38:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E7cTX2006267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:38:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E7aoN4016808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E7akKP099927; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1d.socket.net [216.106.88.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E7ag4Y099869 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 214F13B139 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:36:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46E9EAFD.50406@rogers.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e13d5e3-4b72-44b9-9778-059f6ef6d87d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46EA3A75.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO February. Du Berry Hours http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v.jpg http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v-d3l.jpg But the man next to the woman not wearing any underwear isn't wearing any either, so does that support men not wearing brais? -----Original Message----- Greetings! Actually, I've seen a couple of illuminations (that go with the "warming oneself by the fire" motif that is often seen for the month of January or February (forget which) in medieval calendars that tend to support the "no underpants" theory. Why? Well, it was obvious there were no underpants by the parts of women's anatomy on display :-) Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 04:03:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E83o9d014462 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:03:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E83qpY018959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:03:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E83Fls018786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E83EJM020133; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.159]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8E83Asp020014 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96372 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2007 08:03:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ph4fugSMMRqrOLPay9BPXPLMx+SF2qt8Zm0Ug40xiRH16YjDR/8RvYFfh0sW0GvD+5jzYECPcHXAgfp89SN9pZ+Gmu517SRotQ/vxcjeuhCtfz13dUtOipAEGJSBoa5hyJdSXnsVA2S8CKgzXvnWMu3VGGQJ/4YgCB0EttifGM4=; X-YMail-OSG: .zt.5LIVM1lTesp0qkXbw7ZllKP.iSamBufP2H5nXB2imVw6d.wvCkquEaaLbasNy_RRX4dLxNZ34PXvq8jZn9gnT6Dp8_xJvybcX2QCD5esWdfQaaI- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:03:05 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:03:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <495296.95646.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f48cd1d4-f1f4-4978-b11e-9ae6b881fbf4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46EA4068.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Heather: "In addition to the battle-for-the-pants genre, there are other images commonly circulated in the historic costuming community as evidence for medieval women wearing underpants that -- when examined more closely -- are using the underpants as a symbol or representation of women cross-dressing as men. A typical example is an illustration from an edition of Boccaccio's "Concerning Famous Women" (De Claris Mulieribus) for the tale of Queen Semiramis who -- among other things -- was notorious for having ruled disguised as a man." Yes, this was one of the two pictures, someone pointed it out here (http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/Semiramis.gif) as well. So, one half is explained! I'm still waiting for the reply from my friend to tell me where the other picture was from. But your "gender battle" theory is very interesting, did you ever write an article or anything like that about it? I'd long to get some more detailed information:-) Heather: "When this topic gets discussed on costuming lists, you often see a lot of "argument from personal comfort level". As students of historic costume, I think we need to be very skeptical of the idea that logical argument and "what feels comfortable/appropriate to me" can lead us to an accurate understanding of what people in other cultures and other time periods wore." It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, but, just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know, people didn't always act very logically and didn't choose the most comfortable garments they could. Think of all those corsets and hoop petticoats and cage crinolines - the latest being worn even by lower-class working women that would surely need a more practical dress than the bourgeoise and nobility. This picture: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Les_Tr%C3%A8s_Riches_Heures_du_duc_de_Berry_f%C3%A9vrier.jpg was in my friend's work as well, but he was talking about two sorts of chausses: one knee-length, which correspond to this picture and are, I think, nothing very surprising, and one long, attached to the waist, the same sort as men wore. The second one was very questionable for me and that was the sort of chausses (or hose) I was talking about. No doubt they're good for warmth, but does any of you have any picture or text that tells us that such garment was (even rarely) used by women?__ Zuzana --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 04:11:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E8BigO016188 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:11:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8E8Bj7c016970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:11:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8E8BO5p019455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:11:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8E8BN12026269; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8E8BJYM026165 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69042 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2007 08:11:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yx88/XOiVjYuQCdfF7DieJUSC/DaMoqBY4lr+4AWy+3DwTPRGlT98uEovdTwNJZXqOjPr6YDxOTsQxEH4/hNkcjJj+pkaeopEOdjFCD5hn0vDJ42XWBwFVsunZWcY9NBcN6m7EiFzFFTae7fk+YTVr6g90eFwfbulwHCvOtKD6Y=; X-YMail-OSG: wYdnmHgVM1lEA0c0UR2Fo44M545QZVVpqNF1XynXKnJS17wNrdGS5ZaXGLHCeW9qgUS2zAEkM5kCN5cNYywu5q2wRZzq0EKqLrmk Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:11:14 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <331753.68442.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 654fbc2a-2bc4-4d02-991f-1af524c7b801 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EA4241.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'd say that it wouldn't be very surprising if a man didn't always wear braies, if he had a long tunic on. The Scottish, as far as I know, didn't wear any as well. But I remember I recently read a text where someone criticized the Scottish for having no braies - he regarded it a sort of a scandal. I'll try to find out where it was, but am very sceptic about it... otsisto wrote: February. Du Berry Hours http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v.jpg http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v-d3l.jpg But the man next to the woman not wearing any underwear isn't wearing any either, so does that support men not wearing brais? -----Original Message----- Greetings! Actually, I've seen a couple of illuminations (that go with the "warming oneself by the fire" motif that is often seen for the month of January or February (forget which) in medieval calendars that tend to support the "no underpants" theory. Why? Well, it was obvious there were no underpants by the parts of women's anatomy on display :-) Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 09:07:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ED7gle017149 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:07:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ED7c4U021724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ED6U06045926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ED6QIo061214; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ED6MqC061078 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.119] Received: from [75.45.243.119] (adsl-75-45-243-119.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.119]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8ED66ak030801 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:06:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <495296.95646.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <495296.95646.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74392D3D-90CF-4204-8138-D8073D2169AE@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:06:15 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec6b5ee0-263b-4f2a-80e7-b3b026b8f259 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EA879A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, > but, just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know, > people didn't always act very logically and didn't choose the most > comfortable garments they could. Think of all those corsets and > hoop petticoats and cage crinolines - the latest being worn even by > lower-class working women that would surely need a more practical > dress than the bourgeoise and nobility. While it's certainly true that some fashions are more inconvenient than others on a purely practical level, I think that saying that people acted illogically and chose uncomfortable garments is misleading. We tend to think that our current fashion is the most logical, comfortable, and lovely one, but people in the past thought the same thing. Susan Vincent's _Dressing the Elite: Clothes in Early Modern England_ has some wonderful information on this. Every fashion has its own internal logic, supported by cultural assumptions about what is healthful, beautiful, appropriate, etc. Corsetry, for example, was for most women simply a support garment, like a bra is today. It also held the body in a desirable shape and protected the modesty of the woman inside--the same things a bra does today. Many women who don't actually need the support of a bra wear it to look more fashionable and/or to keep the world from knowing when they are cold. For these women, it's slightly more comfortable physically to go without, but in public the psychological discomfort outweighs that. Historically, yes, there were some extreme fashions that even people of the time found uncomfortable, but for the most part, the average person probably felt quite comfortable in their clothes. It's also important to consider how the body is shaped by lifestyle. We are used to having something between our thighs to keep everything dry and to keep our thighs from rubbing together, so our inner thighs tend to be quite sensitive to moisture and friction. But there were and are many peoples in equatorial areas, in the hottest climates, who clearly did and do not wear any sort of underwear. People in these groups whose inner thighs rub together probably have less sensitive inner thighs. Anyone who has ever learned to play the violin or ride a horse can tell you how amazingly the body adapts to physical circumstances that are at first painful. So I must agree with Heather that it's dangerous to use modern ideas of what is comfortable to evaluate historical clothing practices. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 09:53:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EDrKel018270 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:53:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EDrM9d001595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:53:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EDqUFA054655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EDqSni005372; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:52:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EDqO26005229 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:52:19 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Thread-Index: Acf2mNWkoTyuxsuYSZu9y/61jWaOHAAPQCXg From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3662b64-ecc0-413e-b042-d88cb84b5395 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EA9252.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was=20 >> convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he=20 >> could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as=20 >an innocent=20 >> in the proceedings would have been in question. > >I'd be very interested in more details about this trial --=20 >especially time, place, and how the account has been transmitted to us. > >Heather I keep forgetting I have PDFs of completed chapters, so finding this = wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. The trial is listed in Louis = Tanon's "Registre criminal de la Justice de Saint-Martin-des-Champs =E0 = Paris au XIVe si=E9cle", Paris: L=E9on Wilhelm, 1877 "L=E0, en un selier, fist entrer, oultre son gr=E9 et par force, ladicte = Perrete la Souplice, et la jeta =E0 terre, et avala ses braies, et se mist sus lui, et s'effor=E7a = contre sa nature tant comme il pot..." (Tanon, 88) (Now you guys won't 'need' to get the book should it ever make it off of = my computer ; ) ) Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 11:32:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EFWF8a020605 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:32:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EFWGuK011902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EFUhI1067006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EFUcDM009813; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:30:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EFUaQB009681 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.18.94]) by bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:30:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:30:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.65.185 by bl115fd.blu115.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:30:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.121.65.185] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com In-Reply-To: <74392D3D-90CF-4204-8138-D8073D2169AE@faucet.net> From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:30:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 15:30:30.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F1489C0:01C7F6E4] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a817254-3152-46b2-bf0a-c03648bb4ca6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EAA980.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality should contemplate the wearing of pantihose. Janet >>It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, but, >>just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know, people >>didn't always act very logically and didn't choose the most comfortable >>garments they could. Think of all those corsets and hoop petticoats and >>cage crinolines - the latest being worn even by lower-class working women >>that would surely need a more practical dress than the bourgeoise and >>nobility. > >While it's certainly true that some fashions are more inconvenient than >others on a purely practical level, I think that saying that people acted >illogically and chose uncomfortable garments is misleading. We tend to >think that our current fashion is the most logical, comfortable, and >lovely one, but people in the past thought the same thing> >So I must agree with Heather that it's dangerous to use modern ideas of >what is comfortable to evaluate historical clothing practices. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 11:41:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EFf5Oc020735 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:41:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EFf7JH025909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:41:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EFeR43068148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EFeQAk020221; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EFeM24020059 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Thread-Index: Acf25H9ysweaVq74TLejw4qIAZpO4AAAPRHA From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c583da9-aefa-40e5-934c-ca1a1a285375 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EAAB93.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And there you go-- this is so totally subjective. I don't mind pantyhose at all (except on really hot days). Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com=20 >[mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of JAMES OGILVIE >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:30 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion > >Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and=20 >practicality should contemplate the wearing of pantihose. > >Janet > >>>It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, =20 >>>but, just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know, =20 >>>people didn't always act very logically and didn't choose the most =20 >>>comfortable garments they could. Think of all those corsets=20 >and hoop=20 >>>petticoats and cage crinolines - the latest being worn even by =20 >>>lower-class working women that would surely need a more practical =20 >>>dress than the bourgeoise and nobility. >> >>While it's certainly true that some fashions are more inconvenient =20 >>than others on a purely practical level, I think that saying that =20 >>people acted illogically and chose uncomfortable garments is =20 >>misleading. We tend to think that our current fashion is the most =20 >>logical, comfortable, and lovely one, but people in the past thought =20 >>the same thing> So I must agree with Heather that it's=20 >dangerous to use=20 >>modern ideas of what is comfortable to evaluate historical=20 >clothing practices. > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 12:28:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EGSfAo021833 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:28:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EGShIv014921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:28:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EGS47g074304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EGS0aZ075010; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.142]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EGRvJ5074853 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:27:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.111]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:27:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:27:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.170.174] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:27:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 16:27:52.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[32981190:01C7F6EC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dbb8fc3-cdae-4d29-ba10-21327eb418d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EAB6BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Funny thing is I've met a couple of gentlemen who swear up and down that pantyhose are the most comfortable things they've ever worn! Laurie >From: "JAMES OGILVIE" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:30:28 +0000 > >Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality >should contemplate the wearing of pantihose. > >Janet > _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 12:43:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EGhp0l022265 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:43:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EGhqlv011038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:43:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EGgh8T076958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:42:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EGgeRW094493; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EGgbvs094324 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c06.2291fa07 (52846) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-DC15 (webmail-dc15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.37]) by cia-m03.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAM036-ce6e46eab9f570; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:42:29 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:42:29 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Received: from 151.200.213.3 by WEBMAIL-DC15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:42:29 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9C5055FFDA2F2-628-1566@WEBMAIL-DC15.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.37 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1bf4be7-ffc4-48b1-9f04-746070441657 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46EABA48.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For those of us who came of age wearing stockings and either a garter belt or girdle to keep them up, believe me, pantihose were a GREAT invention. Ann Wass Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality should contemplate the wearing of pantihose.? -----Original Message----- From: JAMES OGILVIE To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:30 am Subject: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality should contemplate the wearing of pantihose.? ? Janet? ? >>It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, but, >>just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know, people >>didn't always act very logically and didn't choose the most comfortable >>garments they could. Think of all those corsets and hoop petticoats and >>cage crinolines - the latest being worn even by lower-class working women >>that would surely need a more practical dress than the bourgeoise and >>nobility.? >? >While it's certainly true that some fashions are more inconvenient than >others on a purely practical level, I think that saying that people acted >illogically and chose uncomfortable garments is misleading. We tend to >think that our current fashion is the most logical, comfortable, and >lovely one, but people in the past thought the same thing>? >So I must agree with Heather that it's dangerous to use modern ideas of >what is comfortable to evaluate historical clothing practices.? ? _______________________________________________? h-costume mailing list? h-costume@mail.indra.com? http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 13:40:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHeDmB023497 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:40:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EHeFgg031702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:40:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EHdWcY083643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHdSXd060029; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:39:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHdOWh059874 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:39:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EHdHrO009651 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <74392D3D-90CF-4204-8138-D8073D2169AE@faucet.net> References: <495296.95646.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <74392D3D-90CF-4204-8138-D8073D2169AE@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:39:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c506a00-b719-43a2-9979-e6dd988ed4ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EAC77F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 14, 2007, at 6:06 AM, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >> It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, >> but, just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all >> know, people didn't always act very logically and didn't choose >> the most comfortable garments they could. Think of all those >> corsets and hoop petticoats and cage crinolines - the latest being >> worn even by lower-class working women that would surely need a >> more practical dress than the bourgeoise and nobility. > > While it's certainly true that some fashions are more inconvenient > than others on a purely practical level, I think that saying that > people acted illogically and chose uncomfortable garments is > misleading. We tend to think that our current fashion is the most > logical, comfortable, and lovely one, but people in the past > thought the same thing. Susan Vincent's _Dressing the Elite: > Clothes in Early Modern England_ has some wonderful information on > this. Every fashion has its own internal logic, supported by > cultural assumptions about what is healthful, beautiful, > appropriate, etc. Comfort is what you're used to, and it's not synonymous with practicality. Having worn Elizabethan menswear (drafted from Arnold) for a season of faire, I can say that over time the posture it encourages was uncomfortable for me. That doesn't mean that someone who developed that posture from childhood by wearing those clothes daily would find it uncomfortable. Having now worn 16th century Japanese, I have to say that while all that yardage is hardly practical, it's incredibly comfortable (and a great reminder of how hot a country Japan is in summer, in the hot snap a few weeks ago I would have been comfortable even under more layers). andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 13:42:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHgcI7023585 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:42:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EHgepw001246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EHg85K083913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHg5ve062813; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHg0b2062651 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:43:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:43:15 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02503EDD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Thread-Index: Acf25JyZhxZ7e2YlTDuda7fqJi7hRwAEbcsg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 17:43:06.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5233680:01C7F6F6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 637f6e7a-4807-49ac-b074-9e1da3b17351 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EAC810.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually, I'm part of the generation that found pantyhose a Much more comfortable option than stockings, garterbelt (or girdle) and garters. (Of course, this begs the question of stockings to begin with.) Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of JAMES OGILVIE Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:30 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality should contemplate the wearing of pantihose. Janet >>It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, but,=20 >>just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know, people >>didn't always act very logically and didn't choose the most comfortable=20 >>garments they could. Think of all those corsets and hoop petticoats and=20 >>cage crinolines - the latest being worn even by lower-class working women=20 >>that would surely need a more practical dress than the bourgeoise and >>nobility. > >While it's certainly true that some fashions are more inconvenient than=20 >others on a purely practical level, I think that saying that people acted=20 >illogically and chose uncomfortable garments is misleading. We tend to=20 >think that our current fashion is the most logical, comfortable, and=20 >lovely one, but people in the past thought the same thing> >So I must agree with Heather that it's dangerous to use modern ideas of=20 >what is comfortable to evaluate historical clothing practices. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 13:52:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHqULQ023771 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:52:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EHqWJ0029769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:52:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EHpcku085280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHpVOV073849; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8EAQ86f030943 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 94975 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2007 10:26:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YZOXRUMYdw218pnWXfQiQvC1VmXio8UvSojO7TSISvSJjCZg8XENSVBSHSeLN71L5kOuwNF0h59XdZQdKl0SjlYfvh8ADqzyW48eCaAWuKkqdbnLOJh3sY6wbz0hzzPRTkTgDSm2Hrxish4F4tfNmB4DspQ4PBMyRpc5Ery3U6U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 571c3970-3619-4c3a-8327-bd40de8f13a0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EACA60.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO otsisto wrote: > February. Du Berry Hours > http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v.jpg > http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v-d3l.jpg > But the man next to the woman not wearing any underwear isn't wearing any > either, so does that support men not wearing brais? > I'm going to have to go back through my sources. I remember seeing one (not a particularly famous image) where only the woman is flashing the viewers--the man isn't. But the du Berry Hours example is interesting in its own right. Regardless of who normally wears underpants, I wonder why they would take them off to warm up? Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 13:55:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHt39x023855 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:55:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EHt4KD012141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:55:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EHsivF085843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:54:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHseRZ077826; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EDtvM4008628 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Thread-Index: Acf2mNWkoTyuxsuYSZu9y/61jWaOHAAPQCXgAAA+deA= From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 75f51865-37bb-41cb-9190-4df1fc072598 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EACAF8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oops, sorry, I forgot-- the rape trial was in 1337 in Paris...=20 ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com=20 >[mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Schaeffer, Astrida >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:52 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? > >>> Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was=20 >>> convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he=20 >>> could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as >>an innocent >>> in the proceedings would have been in question. > >>I'd be very interested in more details about this trial -- especially=20 >>time, place, and how the account has been transmitted to us. >> >>Heather > > >I keep forgetting I have PDFs of completed chapters, so=20 >finding this wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. The=20 >trial is listed in Louis Tanon's "Registre criminal de la=20 >Justice de Saint-Martin-des-Champs =E0 Paris au XIVe si=E9cle",=20 >Paris: L=E9on Wilhelm, 1877 > >"L=E0, en un selier, fist entrer, oultre son gr=E9 et par force,=20 >ladicte Perrete la Souplice, et la jeta =E0 terre, et avala ses=20 >braies, et se mist sus lui, et s'effor=E7a contre sa nature tant=20 >comme il pot..." >(Tanon, 88) > > >(Now you guys won't 'need' to get the book should it ever make=20 >it off of my computer ; ) ) > >Astrida >****************** >Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director >The Art Gallery >University of New Hampshire >Paul Creative Arts Center >30 College Road >Durham, NH 03824 >(603) 862-0310 >astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu >Fax: (603) 862-2191 >****************** >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 13:56:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHust7023911 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:56:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EHuuMQ023930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:56:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EHuRr1086081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:56:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EHuOIo079910; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EFnhSq030749 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c4b.1c4bc142 (30737) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:49:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:49:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b56254f2-9dc8-4472-856b-374b8d340f79 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46EACB68.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eastern Daylight Time, bear_janet@msn.com writes: Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality should contemplate the wearing of pantihose. ******************* You would prefer stockings and a garter belt? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 14:30:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIUGtS024689 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:30:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EITIjh007075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:29:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EISmIS092963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EISjJW022839; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8EISgZd022648 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29637 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2007 18:28:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=s4VUdxGw3MbYLhNxWMocFQ229l4XmX4p8ZOULflZHoF8EQ4yvi7F9jaK6vaa7RUsbWopad8jJd3fJDHMQSsXLDIAIv1a54DkTGNrrpp9NzPwISdwc8yP9Jz9CZMvpc7TaXBo/zHVxaMu0GvZqS+kx28enqBgcbRmzjn0zPRqj0k=; X-YMail-OSG: Yu8yZXQVM1nw9k_pZCfGt_kzNb3SufjEiFnxCCJwYSAQqfHsk6RZsx0dwL10Yx36uTLB3ehOZ4esFnhn.qN4tOXVBiDpMIdtfeK8GYbgonN9Kah9ulVxrJlq1u1hwA-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:28:37 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <457718.29454.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EAD2FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 14:32:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIWbJY024731 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:32:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EIVrhN014139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:31:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EIVVTT093377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIVUuI026047; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from c-spam-01.awin.com (c-spam-01.awin.com [204.13.216.10]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIVQsf025685 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tori.Ruhl@awin.com) Received: from AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com (unverified [10.200.20.102]) by c-spam-01.awin.com (TMA SMTPRS 4.4.568.30) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:33:00 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 10.200.20.102=OK;Tori.Ruhl@awin.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 10.200.20.102=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 10.200.20.102=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from INET3-MTA by AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:31:06 -0700 Message-Id: <46EA70E20200005E0002B392@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:30:42 -0700 From: "Tori Ruhl" To: References: <200709141800.l8EI0DMN085004@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200709141800.l8EI0DMN085004@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: caf08b38-25cc-464a-a583-73b93bed7651 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EAD399.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I haven't done any research, but I would speculate that they would need to = wrap or tie something around them in order to keep the linen "pads" in = place.=20 I defer to those that know a lot more than I do about such things to = enlighten me. :) On a personal note, having managed to trip over a tent-rope at an event = and end up with my kirtle about my head, I'm very glad that I don't = conform to "commando" practices.=20 - Tori >>> 9/14/2007 2:00 PM >>> Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=20 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com=20 You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com=20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: comfort vs. fashion (Rickard, Patty ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:43:15 -0400 From: "Rickard, Patty " Subject: RE: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02503EDD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Actually, I'm part of the generation that found pantyhose a Much more comfortable option than stockings, garterbelt (or girdle) and garters. (Of course, this begs the question of stockings to begin with.) Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]=20 On Behalf Of JAMES OGILVIE Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:30 AM To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Subject: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Anyone who thinks that people wear clothing for comfort and practicality should contemplate the wearing of pantihose. Janet >>It is surely interesting to think logically about such a problem, but,=20 >>just as you say, we can never rely on it, and, as we all know, people >>didn't always act very logically and didn't choose the most comfortable=20 >>garments they could. Think of all those corsets and hoop petticoats and=20 >>cage crinolines - the latest being worn even by lower-class working women=20 >>that would surely need a more practical dress than the bourgeoise and >>nobility. > >While it's certainly true that some fashions are more inconvenient than=20 >others on a purely practical level, I think that saying that people acted=20 >illogically and chose uncomfortable garments is misleading. We tend to=20 >think that our current fashion is the most logical, comfortable, and=20 >lovely one, but people in the past thought the same thing> >So I must agree with Heather that it's dangerous to use modern ideas of=20 >what is comfortable to evaluate historical clothing practices. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=20 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=20 End of h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 425 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 14:53:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIrxVn025260 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:53:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EIs0q6022901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:54:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EIqmkP097686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIqh4V053924; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIqe9I053767 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BBB100E11 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:52:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46EAD886.9060605@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:52:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear References: <200709141800.l8EI0DMN085004@net.indra.com> <46EA70E20200005E0002B392@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> In-Reply-To: <46EA70E20200005E0002B392@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1a5833c-944b-4eed-8a1b-c633ebf9027f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EAD8C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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ARCHIVES: To search by keyword, use Eric Praetzel's searchable archive at: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion I'm sure there are older discussions too, as this topic comes up on nearly every costume group I've been on. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 14:59:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIxBTw025377 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:59:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EIx90a000816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:59:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EIwkwG098698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:58:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIwgsc061192; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EIwcOb061011 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.119] Received: from [75.45.243.119] (adsl-75-45-243-119.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.119]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8EIwMZD013085; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:58:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:58:31 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fe50995-07c9-4518-afa0-776f036447be X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EAD9FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings, Does anyone know what happened to the Tudor and Elizabethan Portraits website? (http://www.tudor-portraits.com/) For a while it was giving me the Not Found message, and now it's one of those awful commercial link-hubs. This was one of the best sites online for finding 16th-century portraits, and I'll be really distressed if it's actually gone and not just moved somewhere. Thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 16:39:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EKdbfv027992 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:39:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EKdbWk030260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:39:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EKcAfl013070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EKc5A3075762; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EKc19B075597 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.15]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JOD00422LB8CZR0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:37:56 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-11-5-2.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([76.11.5.2]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:24:45 -0300 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:37:54 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://web.archive.org/web/20070517100921/http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ I can find it with the Way Back Machine Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- > Greetings, > > Does anyone know what happened to the Tudor and Elizabethan Portraits > website? (http://www.tudor-portraits.com/) For a while it was > giving me the Not Found message, and now it's one of those awful > commercial link-hubs. > > This was one of the best sites online for finding 16th-century > portraits, and I'll be really distressed if it's actually gone and > not just moved somewhere. > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 16:42:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EKghwr028090 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:42:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EKgUMs006396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:42:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EKg1p6013474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EKg0D5080255; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EKftUm080091 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.55]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070914204150.WCZQ29331.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:41:50 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.55]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070914204149.EMTS24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:41:49 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:41:09 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I do not wish to imply that all women in all=20 European cultures in all times wore some sort of=20 pants under their dresses, but do wish to point=20 out a few items still existing that no one has mentioned The leather "bikinis" (late Roman time period)=20 found in London and on display at the Museum of London. The "Frauenhose von D=E4tgen, Kr. Rendsburg." Abb.=20 184-190 (text pp78-79) published in Schlabow, Karl. Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in=20 Norddeutschland. Gottinger Schriften zur Vor- und=20 Frugeschichte, Bd. 15. Neumunster: K. Wachholtz,=20 1976. ISBN: 3529015156 OCLC: 2526391 The late period Italian trouseau in the Met=20 (examined in detail by one of the list members awhile back). Beth=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 16:46:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EKkg5L028210 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:46:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EKkhfB027135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:46:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EKkJaX013998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:46:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EKkEfA084824; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:46:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EK8u5d040672 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so788173nze for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dg3l7526OV3s2Zuvv8Sz/P4YgYEJ3SKk0f1mPq+SKTI=; b=az+MGo7/Pya5ulhepNZoJ9t990ljqg2w9tYEK+k4VIAV04ySO2M8KkFIwBxsBHiRaWoK9iiH7w9IADXvUx99xf3MhL8SRfjRwZpJAV3zWpJHackTUipNJoDFxPtOHSNrI16TfzETMVEw1UEd+ILRKFIuo+dkhwUe4uZQUGgcZvM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KMRgVZMuztOZk3MwkBTXi5EMxdX1T7Um4YBTPvAXN28N6ZD3L+h6RTCalJjUxxT4lmacE5SWcf9zHtvRtoh8D7AtMzh/OEdGO7kAaq7gD7QfuEfENby44evhw8KCn6k11jkgbio+StChwIFXAnFaIkGDul4oHILkzy6qJR+r8LQ= Received: by 10.65.59.11 with SMTP id m11mr4911130qbk.1189800532154; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.249.1 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:08:52 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear In-Reply-To: <46EA70E20200005E0002B392@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709141800.l8EI0DMN085004@net.indra.com> <46EA70E20200005E0002B392@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 002926e3-9c59-4844-b9e4-228e49110378 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EAF334.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 9/14/07, Tori Ruhl wrote: > I understand the "there is no evidence one way or the other" about women wearing underpants in pre-16th century Europe. > but what about during their menses? They wore them in 15th c. Spain per The Hispanic Costume Book 1480-1530. They adopted them from the Moors sarawil and were made of linen and were tied with a drawstring around the waist. They reached to just below the knee where they met the stockings. -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 18:26:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EMQiTg030911 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:26:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EMQkgd028376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EMObfj028489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:24:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EMOYil091725; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EMOU7Y091656 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.119] Received: from [75.45.243.119] (adsl-75-45-243-119.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.119]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8EMOCrq009372 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:24:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> References: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <98A2F97B-0148-43BE-919A-804E5C5E859E@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:24:29 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4ab5f72-6a26-4258-afb0-0fe9e615876d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46EB0AA6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oooh, neat! Is this a permanent archive or a temporary one? Thanks, Melanie On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:37 PM, SPaterson wrote: > http://web.archive.org/web/20070517100921/http://www.tudor- > portraits.com/ > I can find it with the Way Back Machine > > Sarah Paterson > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> Greetings, >> Does anyone know what happened to the Tudor and Elizabethan >> Portraits website? (http://www.tudor-portraits.com/) For a >> while it was giving me the Not Found message, and now it's one of >> those awful commercial link-hubs. >> This was one of the best sites online for finding 16th-century >> portraits, and I'll be really distressed if it's actually gone >> and not just moved somewhere. >> Thanks, >> Melanie Schuessler >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 18:28:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EMSLsi030964 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:28:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8EMSNwF029364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:28:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8EMRvrw028811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EMRuv5094843; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8EMRqgD094715 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.119] Received: from [75.45.243.119] (adsl-75-45-243-119.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.119]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8EMQr01025366 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:26:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070914204149.EMTS24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <20070914204149.EMTS24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:27:45 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68294c31-5e9f-4ba6-acfa-b63b51a8150a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46EB0B07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > The "Frauenhose von D=E4tgen, Kr. Rendsburg." Abb. 184-190 (text =20 > pp78-79) published in > Schlabow, Karl. Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland. =20 > Gottinger Schriften zur Vor- und Frugeschichte, Bd. 15. Neumunster: =20= > K. Wachholtz, 1976. ISBN: 3529015156 OCLC: 2526391 What's the date on these? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 21:25:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F1PBYS003045 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:25:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F1PDb0009015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:25:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F1O3xI046408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F1NuZi057065; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:23:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F1NlF9056831 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:23:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JOD004USYJHCZ61@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:23:41 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-11-5-2.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([76.11.5.2]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:11:32 -0300 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:23:39 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <001101c7f737$0c37bd70$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAHHR6kZMCwUC/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,257,1186369200"; d="scan'208";a="251520647" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000774-6, 09/14/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> <98A2F97B-0148-43BE-919A-804E5C5E859E@faucet.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86ef11f6-f24b-44a7-a689-b3b65a82941f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EB3479.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I actually don't know how long it will be up through that archive - you may want to consider saving any images you may need to disc...but it is a great tool for old or defunct sites. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- > Oooh, neat! Is this a permanent archive or a temporary one? > > Thanks, > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 21:33:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F1Xhxg003612 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F1XjxT020690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F1XPAX047574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:33:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F1XOdF065557; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:33:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F1XLY2065507 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-tst2 [10.24.12.17]) by ms-smtp-05.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8F1XKvd014428 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JOD001L2YZKKZ@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.105] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:20 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? In-reply-to: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <8feeb1a31c0e.1c0e8feeb1a3@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4e0d9ac-26e4-4884-9000-cfb599f912ae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46EB3679.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, there was an email link on the page via the Way Back Machine. I've emailed the site owner; so far it hasn't bounced back, so hopefully, we'll soon have an answer as to whether it's gone or has just been moved. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: SPaterson Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? To: Historical Costume > http://web.archive.org/web/20070517100921/http://www.tudor- > portraits.com/I can find it with the Way Back Machine > > Sarah Paterson > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Does anyone know what happened to the Tudor and Elizabethan > Portraits > > website? (http://www.tudor-portraits.com/) For a while it was > > giving me the Not Found message, and now it's one of those awful > > commercial link-hubs. > > > > This was one of the best sites online for finding 16th-century > > portraits, and I'll be really distressed if it's actually gone > and > > not just moved somewhere. > > > > Thanks, > > Melanie Schuessler > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 22:38:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F2cdCW005047 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:38:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F2cfOB031799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:38:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F2bYvI054132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F2bTce016758; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F2bGoZ016542 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.119] Received: from [75.45.243.119] (adsl-75-45-243-119.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.119]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8F2aqV3022050 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:36:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8feeb1a31c0e.1c0e8feeb1a3@columbus.rr.com> References: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> <8feeb1a31c0e.1c0e8feeb1a3@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4DC5CFE4-3AEE-4B29-831F-AEB46E265411@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:37:09 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c69bca9-5c81-4a3d-b1bb-aecf2bd37923 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EB45B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, thanks! I'll be very interested to hear what they say. Much obliged, Melanie On Sep 14, 2007, at 9:33 PM, ailith@neo.rr.com wrote: > Well, there was an email link on the page via the Way Back Machine. > I've > emailed the site owner; so far it hasn't bounced back, so hopefully, > we'll soon have an answer as to whether it's gone or has just been > moved. > > kate > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SPaterson > Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:40 pm > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? > To: Historical Costume > >> http://web.archive.org/web/20070517100921/http://www.tudor- >> portraits.com/I can find it with the Way Back Machine >> >> Sarah Paterson >> ----- Original Message ----- >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 23:50:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F3o19m006650 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:50:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F3o3kB004358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:50:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F3mpJN061727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:48:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F3mmxU072702; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:48:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F3mjfb072596 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=baDFp6FVdIhqh07BK/ddleFykew8EgL3lMsMfEEJk+r32l+YMgE19vx+VgIrTkTf; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.207.152] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IWOe7-0007ny-Pv for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:48:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070914204149.EMTS24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <20070914204149.EMTS24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <58940EF1-CCCD-45F9-AEED-88C8E9775FE4@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:48:41 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47854a736377a0fff9396fb39ff1e7a463cdcaa4df6116241b5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.207.152 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1c52346-8bf9-4ef4-b659-45365e588891 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EB566B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 14, 2007, at 1:41 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > I do not wish to imply that all women in all European cultures in =20 > all times wore some sort of pants under their dresses, but do wish =20 > to point out a few items still existing that no one has mentioned > > The leather "bikinis" (late Roman time period) found in London and =20 > on display at the Museum of London. > > The "Frauenhose von D=E4tgen, Kr. Rendsburg." Abb. 184-190 (text =20 > pp78-79) published in > Schlabow, Karl. Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland. =20 > Gottinger Schriften zur Vor- und Frugeschichte, Bd. 15. Neumunster: =20= > K. Wachholtz, 1976. ISBN: 3529015156 OCLC: 2526391 > > The late period Italian trouseau in the Met (examined in detail by =20 > one of the list members awhile back). And this is why I emphasized that my observations on interpreting the =20= artistic representations covered "medieval" and "pre-16th century". Note that the roman leather "bikinis" seem likely not to have been =20 "underpants" in the usual sense of the term, but perhaps a =20 specialized athletic or theatrical costume. (Compare, for example, =20 withe the feminine athletes in the 4th c. mosaics at Piazza Armerina =20 in Sicily who are performing various feats wearing only "bikini" =20 bottoms and a breastband.) I don't know whether anyone has done an in-depth analysis of the =20 gender issues around the D=E4tgen trousers. I believe the gender =20 association is based on skeletal morphology, but I haven't dug into =20 the question of how complete the skeleton was -- e.g., whether the =20 identification was based on strong evidence like a pelvic girdle or =20 weak evidence like the statistical distribution of long-bone =20 lengths. Given that they are similar to roughly contemporary male =20 "outer" pants , there's the question -- hypothesizing for the sake of =20= argument that the gender of the wearer has been correctly identified =20 -- whether this is an example of "feminine underpants" or an example =20 of overt cross-dressing. And for the 16th c. items -- this is the period when we do start =20 getting a variety of strong evidence for the beginnings of feminine =20 underpant-wearing in Europe. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 14 23:57:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F3vP7m006807 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:57:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F3vRll026391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:57:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F3truv063445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F3tqgL079230; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F3tnqb079135 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GPUzn7RQCj6KIFSAcejVmWhAzUZ5sGZn4+TWUjkYUhrTpa/MZsIgry93ZzbuPyj4; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.207.152] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IWOkx-0005Js-Pk for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:55:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <495296.95646.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <495296.95646.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <688B36E4-0DBC-47F0-A7EF-E8D249FFEA99@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:55:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47854a736377a0fff93d265084f8d398889d0e7f76755bb7607350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.207.152 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22d7e8b2-4464-4461-8dba-f2f410edfcee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EB5827.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 14, 2007, at 1:03 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Heather: "In addition to the battle-for-the-pants genre, there are > other images > commonly circulated in the historic costuming community as evidence > for medieval women wearing underpants that -- when examined more > closely -- are using the underpants as a symbol or representation of > women cross-dressing as men. A typical example is an illustration > from an edition of Boccaccio's "Concerning Famous Women" (De Claris > Mulieribus) for the tale of Queen Semiramis who -- among other things > -- was notorious for having ruled disguised as a man." > > Yes, this was one of the two pictures, someone pointed it out here > (http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/Semiramis.gif) as > well. So, one half is explained! I'm still waiting for the reply > from my friend to tell me where the other picture was from. > But your "gender battle" theory is very interesting, did you ever > write an article or anything like that about it? I'd long to get > some more detailed information:-) I presented it as a paper at Kalamazoo several years ago. It will eventually be available publicly in some form. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 00:42:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4gQti007807 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:42:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F4gSpt009646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:42:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F4fs3x068175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4fq2k014068; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4fn1W014024 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1IWPTX2q9N-0007LF; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:41:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c7f752$ab440890$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C9C5055FFDA2F2-628-1566@WEBMAIL-DC15.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion: hose Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:41:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18y+1EX+rM8ugs6QE9VT8OOt1oQB8dR9UBnnco Gh+6fGxiuCB6AJiCQWDISf83tCZo7YGFgPl5cWs36oU9ufQ68I LUpMO4iJYQY9tD28tYEnw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4a4dbd6-31cb-4bf2-a71f-b476022b966d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46EB62B4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I haven't worn panyhose in years. I never could find them long enough for my legs. When I do wear hose, I purchase thigh-highs with the elasticized tops. But I only wear hose for warmth in the winter. If it is really cold or snowstorms, I will put on legwarmers. Since my 30s, I have a natural tan complexion and don't need hose otherwise. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 00:47:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4l0sq007935 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:47:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F4l2PI024682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:47:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F4kiGl068942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4khml018427; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4kbVA018307 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:46:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (202-78-152-208.cable.telstraclear.net [202.78.152.208]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JOE00EGI7XONS00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:46:36 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:46:45 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <46EB63B5.7060807@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b946c1df-0628-4f0d-bcc2-3f3fdc8c74e3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EB63C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 00:53:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4r9Sr008054 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:53:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F4rAoq032370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F4qKvE069741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4qHi7023207; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:52:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4qA0Y023115 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (202-78-152-208.cable.telstraclear.net [202.78.152.208]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JOE00E2686WZ800@smtp5.clear.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:52:08 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:52:19 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Underwear In-reply-to: <46EA70E20200005E0002B392@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <46EB6503.4020006@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200709141800.l8EI0DMN085004@net.indra.com> <46EA70E20200005E0002B392@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ea5f8c8-8873-4b93-a82f-b9233e642210 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EB6536.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Tori Ruhl wrote: > I understand the "there is no evidence one way or the other" about women wearing underpants in pre-16th century Europe. > but what about during their menses? > > I haven't done any research, but I would speculate that they would need to wrap or tie something around them in order to keep the linen "pads" in place. > > I defer to those that know a lot more than I do about such things to enlighten me. :) > Only the Shadow knows... OK, actually the Shadow doesn't know either. Nobody knows. But it seems unlikely that menstruation would have had a big effect on braies-wearing, since they wouldn't have been snug enough to keep anything in place. Immediately before modern adhesive pads came into use, a belt-and-pad arrangement was the norm-- it's possible that Medieval women had something similar. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 00:55:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4tb32008123 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:55:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8F4tdGx026471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:55:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F4sn84069850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4smev025160; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F4siGI025115 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:54:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (202-78-152-208.cable.telstraclear.net [202.78.152.208]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JOE007CY8B7NJ20@smtp3.clear.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:54:44 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:54:54 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? In-reply-to: <457718.29454.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <46EB659E.1090803@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <457718.29454.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96e88643-6068-4926-9946-12fb7b2d84f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46EB65CB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Astrida: "Là, en un selier, fist entrer, oultre son gré et par force, ladicte Perrete la Souplice, et la > jeta à terre, et avala ses braies, et se mist sus lui, et s'efforça contre sa nature tant > comme il pot..." > (Tanon, 88)" > > Have you ever thought that "et avala ses braies" might also mean "his", not only "her"? Just thinking...:-) I think that's entirely possible. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 10:09:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FE9wBw012909 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:09:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8FE9xBZ008225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8FBoHpx009594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FBoC6Y026193; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FBo8xb026106 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8FBnwse011316 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:50:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> <8feeb1a31c0e.1c0e8feeb1a3@columbus.rr.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c7f78e$62593a60$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <8feeb1a31c0e.1c0e8feeb1a3@columbus.rr.com> Thread-Index: Acf3OM1sSkGpU9R9TIablMzKIHwLWgAVWdwg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5869d19d-0513-48dd-bba4-a2e14d93473e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46EBE7B7.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I don't know about the tudor-portraits.com site but this site: http://www.marileecody.com/images.html is my favorite for pictures of a lot of Tudor era people. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of ailith@neo.rr.com Sent: September 14, 2007 9:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? Well, there was an email link on the page via the Way Back Machine. I've emailed the site owner; so far it hasn't bounced back, so hopefully, we'll soon have an answer as to whether it's gone or has just been moved. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: SPaterson Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? To: Historical Costume > http://web.archive.org/web/20070517100921/http://www.tudor- > portraits.com/I can find it with the Way Back Machine > > Sarah Paterson > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Does anyone know what happened to the Tudor and Elizabethan > Portraits > > website? (http://www.tudor-portraits.com/) For a while it was > > giving me the Not Found message, and now it's one of those awful > > commercial link-hubs. > > > > This was one of the best sites online for finding 16th-century > > portraits, and I'll be really distressed if it's actually gone > and > > not just moved somewhere. > > > > Thanks, > > Melanie Schuessler > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 10:19:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FEJ4cm013284 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:19:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8FEJ57I010249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8F810L4087746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F80pZ3062969; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8F80lFs062927 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:00:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1109C3F7B2 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:00:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Underwear Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:01:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <46EB6503.4020006@paradise.net.nz> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d69811fe-a829-46d0-b326-1b8e2aace979 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EBE9D9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.randyasplund.com/browse/medieval/chausse1.html Scroll down to the first of the last two pictures. These are not as loose as the previous. Similar to a previously presented print. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/Semiramis.gif De -----Original Message----- Only the Shadow knows... OK, actually the Shadow doesn't know either. Nobody knows. But it seems unlikely that menstruation would have had a big effect on braies-wearing, since they wouldn't have been snug enough to keep anything in place. Immediately before modern adhesive pads came into use, a belt-and-pad arrangement was the norm-- it's possible that Medieval women had something similar. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 11:09:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FF9p6k014741 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:09:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8FF9rq5014326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:09:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8FF91Vm031176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:09:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FF8pVx088475; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.142]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FF8m2j088364 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.18.81]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:08:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:08:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.65.185 by bl115fd.blu115.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:08:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.121.65.185] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com In-Reply-To: From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:08:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2007 15:08:42.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DD84AB0:01C7F7AA] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c02632a-9a9f-40e0-91b6-755c87aa3fd5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46EBF5C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 12:16:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FGGfKO016606 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:16:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8FGGhDN000898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:16:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8FGFM2Q037169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:15:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FGFEev043821; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FGFBRU043696 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c2a.15bef4d8 (30740) for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:15:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] comfort vs. fashion To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 721a3e6d-b555-40db-8856-d414d5e371d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46EC056B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 9/15/2007 11:11:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bear_janet@msn.com writes: Well, I don't recall that stockings and a light panty girdle were much worse to wear and were easier to put on. Oh my gosh--having to hook the stockings to the little tabs--ugh! And managing the whole assemblage in the restroom. . . . I confess, I don't wear hose most of the summer, but do prefer them now that fall is here. I don't wear pants very often, and I do like something covering my feet when I'm wearing shoes other than sandals, and socks look pretty silly on a woman of a certain age, especially in an office. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 13:23:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FHNxKb018297 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:23:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8FHO0LB020704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:24:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8FHMoBq069772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FHMhq8031087; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:22:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FHMdNf030896 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.45]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070915172233.MGEQ19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:22:33 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.45]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070915172232.LXFU24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:22:32 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:21:51 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? In-Reply-To: <200709150356.l8F3ts32079258@net.indra.com> References: <200709150356.l8F3ts32079258@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20070915172232.LXFU24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c13c636-cbbf-40e5-8fda-0b98ba262f6d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EC1530.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Melanie, Late Iron age.. basically contemporaneous with Late Roman Empire. The best in English about these is in Hald, Margrethe. Ancient Danish Textiles from=20 Bogs and Burials: A Comparative Study of Costume=20 and Iron Age Textiles. [Copenhagen]: National=20 Museum of Denmark, 1980. ISBN: 8748003123 OCLC:=20 8081458 pp. 328-335. Thorsberg and Daetgen photos and drawings. The original find (from Schlabow): Moorleichenfund von D=E4tgen bei Nortorf, Kr. Rendsburg, 1906 -= Kleidungsstucke. If you wish to read the German text from Schlabow, I can send it to you. There just isn't a lot of "pants" extant from=20 archaeology... male or female... but then there=20 aren't many "dresses" either. So little evidence either way.... Beth >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:27:45 -0400 >From: Melanie Schuessler > >On Sep 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > > > The "Frauenhose von D=E4tgen, Kr. Rendsburg." Abb. 184-190 (text > > pp78-79) published in > > Schlabow, Karl. Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland. > > Gottinger Schriften zur Vor- und Frugeschichte, Bd. 15. Neumunster: > > K. Wachholtz, 1976. ISBN: 3529015156 OCLC: 2526391 > >What's the date on these? > >Thanks, >Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 14:44:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FIiZK5020517 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:44:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8FIibjD002209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:44:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8FIhNCt011961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FIhHfG039000; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FHoqZw081677 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:50:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W30 ([65.55.133.65]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:50:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.183.121] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] wool for fulling Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:50:47 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20070915172232.LXFU24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <200709150356.l8F3ts32079258@net.indra.com> <20070915172232.LXFU24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2007 17:50:48.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2C24D30:01C7F7C0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c70a6683-62e8-4eff-b143-9fdcb053f021 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46EC2815.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Is there a quick and easy way to know whether a wool fabric is a good candi= date for fulling? My experiments so far have had wildly different results = (the one which I bought marked 100% wool -a suiting- shrank almost not at a= ll), the other was a blanket from Value Village (which I did the burn test = on the sly in the store) shrank about the equivalent of my knitting with a = worsted yarn. Thanks for any input. =20 Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It=92s ou= r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=3DSeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 14:47:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FIl5ia020793 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:47:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8FIl7dI001730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8FIkifi012410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FIkhIc042366; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8FIaJk7031892 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070915183614.KSUG27100.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:36:14 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id oicD1X00L3Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:36:14 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:36:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01a501c7f7c7$49769810$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Old and Interesting site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30fd721f-5893-42ae-8196-ccda4de9a79d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EC28AB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mostly 18th, 19th and early 20th century stuff, but some earlier references here and there. ::Linda:: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 15 22:47:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G2lnrw003327 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:47:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8G2lobt025697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:47:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8G2kiFp081215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G2kdVd059818; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G2kXiV059747 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8G2kVWo028765 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JOF00624X1JNG@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.105] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:46:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:46:31 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? In-reply-to: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <9037cf98cef.cef9037cf98@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <002701c7f70f$20ead720$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49d99d69-20ba-4f6f-ada3-fc31c1b05e1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EC9956.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I got an email back from the site owner. He says it will be back up within the month; there's apparently some issues with a museum and Yahoo. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: SPaterson Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] What happened to tudor-portraits.com? To: Historical Costume > http://web.archive.org/web/20070517100921/http://www.tudor- > portraits.com/I can find it with the Way Back Machine > > Sarah Paterson > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Does anyone know what happened to the Tudor and Elizabethan > Portraits > > website? (http://www.tudor-portraits.com/) For a while it was > > giving me the Not Found message, and now it's one of those awful > > commercial link-hubs. > > > > This was one of the best sites online for finding 16th-century > > portraits, and I'll be really distressed if it's actually gone > and > > not just moved somewhere. > > > > Thanks, > > Melanie Schuessler > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 00:59:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G4xE1L007672 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:59:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8G4xGpw031484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:59:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8G4w3bx092795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G4w0dT046749; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G4vtGh046673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-39-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.39]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id l8G4vqmR026987 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:57:53 +1000 Message-ID: <001b01c7f81e$212aaa20$27d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:57:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99d67778-cef7-4e4a-8e93-d8f349e062d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46ECB824.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi everyone, thanks for the advice, I went shopping on Friday and ended up finding a cheap felt tricorn hat from a 'dollar store' type shop so I decided as the theme was pirates I would use it instead of investing time experimenting with a cap, I did achieve big hair but let it down later in the night as the weight was giving me a headache. I only got one photo of the completed ensemble, you can see it here http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1095/1389185881_2bae00cb28.jpg (unfortunately my hair came out looking darker than it does in real life and blended in with the hat so it's hard to see the effect of my big hair) -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 03:27:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G7R0dm012733 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:27:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8G7R2qs030392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:27:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8G7PqXx003711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G7PjQA044903; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G7PfXB044787 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1550.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.17]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF837342E07 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46ECDAEF.8040507@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:27:43 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric stores near Luray virginia X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f203da6c-7643-4136-8640-a43a7b2f3f15 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46ECDAC6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I friend of mine is going on vacation to Luray, virginia from 25 sept untill 16 okt. She was wondering if there are any interesting fabric shops there. And if they would have pattern sales within that period. She is interested in Victorian clothing. If there is anything interesting to see from taht period she would love to know too. Thanx for help, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 04:46:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G8jwHY023147 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:45:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8G8k0pp017031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:46:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8G8ib5r009547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G8iZbo098680; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8G8iVTs098642 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1IWpjy0HiS-0008PL; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c7f83d$bcd9c3b0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46ECDAEF.8040507@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric stores near Luray Virginia Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:44:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+EWyxpEQohM4R4QdSkx7s1Iw2Yqbt188Ir7R5 ly80GMbOP9AYDNnPnLOk/TSzI/I7lxEwS9fZxeYEh2yfjr1WBd A6tvsNh83BtXn4kVVCxnA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68574f74-4a33-4cd0-be3d-59b181ad70e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46ECED48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Deredere, There are lots of nice old Victorian/Edwardian homes in the small towns in VA. I love driving through the small towns and would love to live in one of these towns one day. I haven't been to Luray in years. At that time it wasn't a very large town. Harrisonburg is a mecca of antique stores. I can't recall the name of the highway that goes through Harrisburg but I have never seen so many antique stores as there are on it. This highway was featured on HGTV one year for its large amount antique stores. I don't know if it is apple season by the 25th but if it is, make sure your friend brings you some. We do the orchards closer to Charlottesville in the Blue Ridge. I know next weekend in Richmond starts the German fests and they go on for a month. Another must see at Luray Caverns is to see the natural wedding chapel. I would love to be there when an actual wedding is talking place. Your friend might want to check the VA Tourist Dept. This time of year, so many events are occurring every weekend. My son's family goes to Luray and camps around this time of year. I will ask them about the sites and stores in the area. If your friend goes into the DC metro, G Street fabrics is always a must! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 14:39:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8GIdGY7013053 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:39:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8GIdHuC001294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:39:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8GIcAbl010548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8GIc2Lc048528; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8GIbrkV048057 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F890.AAE5F34C" Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:37:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Thread-Index: Acf3VMbXURwsraZQT86BjX0YauaZQABOvcEb References: <457718.29454.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46EB659E.1090803@paradise.net.nz> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 282e2f74-5b9e-48fc-8584-7e4443da3840 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46ED7855.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F890.AAE5F34C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need to go back to the actual source again (as opposed to the info as = it currently appears in my chapter) but if I recall correctly (and I = last looked at this 2 years ago) there was the element in the trial that = he was convicted because of the need to remove braies from his victim, = that if she'd not had any on then she could have been a willing = participant or perhaps had "fair game" status. Now, I can't state this = with 100% certainty right now as it has been so long. Clearly I need to = go dig up the records again and clarify how I presented the info in the = chapter if I can't decisively answer the "ses braies" translation = question based on how it's currently written..... Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Adele de Maisieres Sent: Sat 9/15/2007 12:54 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? =20 Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Astrida: "L=E0, en un selier, fist entrer, oultre son gr=E9 et par = force, ladicte Perrete la Souplice, et la > jeta =E0 terre, et avala ses braies, et se mist sus lui, et = s'effor=E7a contre sa nature tant > comme il pot..." > (Tanon, 88)" > > Have you ever thought that "et avala ses braies" might also mean = "his", not only "her"? Just thinking...:-) I think that's entirely possible. --=20 Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F890.AAE5F34C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F890.AAE5F34C-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 18:02:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8GM2eHL019665 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:02:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8GM2fW4007741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:02:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8GM1Uvm046675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8GM1C9p042635; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8GM18HK042507 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 4358 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2007 22:01:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=n05z4WPVW4trY93PDknQucSKiadYQg5+eup29dPqst4SnokvXHpwxtS8oC0NZTYfow7ZNIoJto/kclceFoFgfi1f4hMMsq7yT5/5w/ofNQMDSXzrB0BHBq7nBAhzXF66RsqMehnDd5tJGnQKsvTSvsvaaayc3f1I/TyZVbbHBI0=; X-YMail-OSG: 9RmXGK4VM1lANS8N9itCmKiWXtbHVx9roFmnSGJtVpOtQO7yP8D2CwF6P3ea1dV93c6Rvq_afizYZm10a3muOL_Tfx_HkLZ.fiDekvPiMxBU.8RSCr4kqM9x7rOx Received: from [206.190.53.136] by web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:01:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <386162.3952.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Victorian costume collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cce5ab1-b257-45e2-8046-376781366fbe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EDA802.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.y= ahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 18:34:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8GMYoFL020485 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:34:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8GMYqJC016421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8GMYKS0050307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8GMYHpi071355; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8GMYDgQ071225 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2007091622340801300h9d6re>; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:34:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <386162.3952.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <386162.3952.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian costume collection Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:34:07 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56967a7d-7dcf-4640-803c-51721fcb032a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46EDAF8C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Where are you? Sylvia On Sep 16, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Kathy Page wrote: > Well, things have certainly changed around my house lately. I am down=20= > by a husband and up by twice the responsibility of home and child. Bit=20= > of a surprise for me; interesting 12th anniversary present - he got a=20= > new girlfriend. > I also have the additional job of being chief decorator and interior=20= > schlep for this monstrosity, on top of trying to find myself gainful,=20= > on-the-books work if I am going to have any shot in hell of keeping=20 > this house. If I can't find something that will pay the bills, I have=20= > to sell it. In the very likely event that will happen, I have to=20 > redecorate and repair everything I had been nagging him to do for=20 > years as it was, only with less money and time. Now I am not likely to=20= > ever enjoy the fruits of these labours. > That being said, I have this huge collection of Victorian/Edwardian,=20= > and a smidge of American Confed costuming that *really* needs a home=20= > now. I can't afford to have it taking up space, and now that I have to=20= > pay for a divorce, I could use the money. So much for that special=20 > make-me-feel-better-about-me stuff I was going to do with that money=20= > one day. *sigh* > Anyway, if anyone knows of a venue that could purchase my stuff, I=20 > would be happy for the leads. I have now become very negotiable on the=20= > prices. > > Off to pour my perfume all over the mattress he wants to take from the=20= > house. Hope she likes my choices. Heh, hope he can live with his. ;-) > > Kathy > ~bitter? nooohohohoo...~ > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a=20= > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. > It=92s never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of = knowledge. > Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can=20= > only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you=20= > to their own image. > > > > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go=20= > to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers > ahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 20:11:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H0B9lZ022879 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:11:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8H0B37n006582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:11:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8H09whB063227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H09tEZ057016; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:09:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H09pKa056932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l8H09pRn029689 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:09:51 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Underwear Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:13:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <46EB6503.4020006@paradise.net.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05c06f22-6c06-4618-8685-8e685e37643e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EDC617.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Regina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 21:27:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H1Rknm024675 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:27:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8H1RmJR027054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:27:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8H1PZuS074138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H1PSnZ022025; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.america.net (qsmtp1.america.net [69.60.160.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H1POnw021972 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:25:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200709170125.l8H1POnw021972@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.244] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp1.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IX5Ma-0005Pn-7C for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:25:24 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:20:46 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: RE: [h-cost] Underwear In-Reply-To: References: <46EB6503.4020006@paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28b73998-d7ae-4b44-ba36-08ef8ab033fe X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EDD814.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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GRINS http://www.archive.org/details/The-Shadow Genie Whose sister listens to these all the time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 16 21:29:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H1TNpj024705 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:29:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8H1TP9M028840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:29:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8H1T169074712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H1T1M1025615; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.america.net (qsmtp4.america.net [69.60.160.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H1Svcv025531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200709170128.l8H1Svcv025531@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.244] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp4.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IX5Pz-0007fy-FC for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:28:55 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:28:51 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <200709170125.l8H1POnw021972@net.indra.com> References: <46EB6503.4020006@paradise.net.nz> <200709170125.l8H1POnw021972@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT Shadow comment, was Underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1805e8f-17b4-4768-92de-fbe4f8f94461 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46EDD875.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry, everyone, for not changing the subject line last time. It bugs me, so I am sending this again. >You can have it all back... > >Old Time Radio >Download them all (well almost all). GRINS > >http://www.archive.org/details/The-Shadow > >Genie >Whose sister listens to these all the time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 01:27:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H5RYrD030419 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:27:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8H5RZs6015088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:27:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8H5QQn5002860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H5QKLE011319; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com (n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.100.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8H5PsEr010850 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumermag@yahoo.com) Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2007 05:25:49 -0000 Received: from [209.191.119.183] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2007 05:25:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp106.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2007 05:25:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 685933.40244.bm@omp106.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52402 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2007 05:25:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Yu4rMCNMzjU6LTwaDBsLyptavBsqVssNgiVaH61e/MSJR3Hf9FUdiG271tDxe7QY8kHGU3JwvUbwu4ZE6TLJEPUud70htqSh0D1+KoAjU8AxP7zB/haSnCzsBkEotgvWSmTAWAHfpGhSbL+fMDelgAW27CcY9H1evIszXgoa7A8=; X-YMail-OSG: yxqtKEQVM1kl0jPjH56r_RQ6my7p1krSJoWfmQB5R1eLQj0tXo2Yr_ST.9ZpOZXpsFP2rmB5mumfxIRfNwBfSSqOlpkTFu13HFb. 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Games.=0Ahttp://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=3Dmonop= olyherenow _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 02:10:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H6AOed031702 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:10:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8H6AQnR026264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:10:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8H69k96009255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H69jvM046026; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H69hdY045996 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1IX9nh2NL9-0008L8; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:09:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c7f8f1$46d242a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46ECDAEF.8040507@kabelfoon.nl> <000301c7f83d$bcd9c3b0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric stores near Luray Virginia Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:09:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+FEP67KmBXyt5zsRvQsEAWi1nmkCIFapDA5jP 1MkVzLZDM+Ddkd10HCcVbuN6kPiT3vQtklE3Z2ZjY5QQZ7xh1U +2rokwGGeHNeOQjmgP8QQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2760c745-1d41-4501-9983-6254298f306a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46EE1A52.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 02:54:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H6s7nh000821 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:54:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8H6s8a1032652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:54:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8H6qwgi012955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H6qteq079243; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H6qqAR079187 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A414842503EE; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:52:04 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <386162.3952.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian costume collection Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:53:06 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c7f8f7$6675df80$0300a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acf4rS4cx4ZyoLHeTouL6Ue8tgnIHAASGUyQ In-Reply-To: <386162.3952.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99b6431a-a46a-4d77-86a2-9428f35c8abf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EE2490.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am so sorry to hear that. Where do you live? I can paint/sew, etc. and would be happy to help. I'm pretty good with tools, too. Comes from = years as a theatre tech. For the costumes: This was posted on Tribe Lost Colony buildings destroyed in fire=20 Villa Dunes citizen saves Waterside Theatre (article below)=20 (Manteo, NC =96 September 11, 2007) On 11 September 2007 at 12:35 A.M., = a resident of Villa Dunes spotted a fire across the sound on Roanoke = Island, and called 911. Part of The Lost Colony=92s Waterside Theatre was in = flames. All fire departments north of Oregon Inlet responded.=20 Fire crews worked swiftly and efficiently to control the blaze, and take necessary precautions to save the nearby men=92s dressing room = structure. In spite of their efforts, the maintenance shed, which appears to have been = at or near the source of the fire was completely destroyed. Charred pieces = of framing in a flimsy skeleton, pointing irregularly toward the = star-lighted sky, appear to be all that remains of what was the Irene Rains Costume = Shop. All of the show costumes, all of the historic costumes, all of the = fabrics, all of the shoes and hats are traditionally stored in the costume shop. = All are lost=97except the court costumes which fortunately are still at the = dry cleaners, and a few that have already been delivered to the NC Museum of History for the Lost Colony exhibition scheduled to open in October.=20 All of the colonist costumes,=20 and all of the Indian costumes were destroyed.=20 All of the vintage costumes are lost=20 =97all those built by Irene Rains in the 1940s and 1950s;=20 and all of Fred Voelpel=92s in the 1960s, 70s and early 80s;=20 MANY OF 5-TIME TONY AWARD-WINNING DESIGNER WILLIAM IVEY LONG'S=20 COSTUMES WERE ALSO DESTROYED.=20 No other structures appeared to have been damaged. The Nags Head = resident who reported the fire saved the theatre.=20 Ironically, 60 years ago, on 24 June 1947, a late afternoon fire = destroyed two-thirds of the Waterside Theatre and most of the sets and props. The costumes in the 1947 disaster escaped the flames, however, because of costumer Irene Rains=92 quick action in removing them from the dressing = rooms and casting the items on the shore. There was no possibility of saving anything from the current disaster. From the point of arrival of the firemen, it was impossible to enter the building. The flames were = already topping the trees.=20 Once again, The Lost Colony and its supporters must suffer the loss of = their history and re-build. Community support is critical and a fund will be established for the replacement of the costumes.=20 # # #=20 Lost Colony Costume Shop a total loss;=20 Waterside Theatre saved=20 (Manteo, NC =96 September 12, 2007) Firefighters succeed in controlling = the devastating blaze, but the entire contents of The Lost Colony=92s = costume shop which includes 80% of the active production costumes, were consumed by = an early morning fire on Monday September 11th. The swift reaction of the = fire fighters and Dare County Emergency Management saved the Waterside = Theatre and remaining buildings.=20 Despite the loss, the show will go on. The Lost Colony=92s producing organization, the Roanoke Island Historical Association Board of = Directors, had an emergency meeting on Monday to discuss future plans for the rebuilding and replacement of the costume shop. =93Whenever there is a disaster of this magnitude, you put one foot in front of another and = keep going. You don=92t look behind, you look to the future. The Lost Colony = has rebounded from tragedy before and the show will go on next season. This dream will live forever,=94 said John Tucker, Chairman of Board of = Directors for the Roanoke Island Historical Association (RIHA), producer of The = Lost Colony.=20 The outpouring of support from friends, alumni, and the community has = been a source of comfort for The Lost Colony Company. East Carolina Bank is accepting donations for the Costume Shop Replacement Fund at all branch locations. Additional donation information can be found at www.thelostcolony.org or by calling 252-473-2127.=20 ez14.ez-web-hosting.com/~thelo...nt.html And lastly, just to maybe make you smile..... Have you heard the one about the woman whose husband and new = girlfriend/wife wanted to move into her home, which she couldn't afford now he had = dumped her? She put fresh shrimp in the hollow curtain rods and moved out. The smell was awful, but they couldn't figure out where it was coming from. = They couldn't sell because of the smell. She was able to buy the house back cheaply. But they took the curtain rods because wife2 liked them! It's just a joke/amusing story, but might work in a mattress. Shouldn't = let those sewing skills go to waste. I guess it depends how ticked off you = are. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Kathy Page Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 3:01 PM To: Historical Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Victorian costume collection Well, things have certainly changed around my house lately. I am down by = a husband and up by twice the responsibility of home and child. Bit of a surprise for me; interesting 12th anniversary present - he got a new girlfriend.=20 I also have the additional job of being chief decorator and interior = schlep for this monstrosity, on top of trying to find myself gainful, = on-the-books work if I am going to have any shot in hell of keeping this house. If I can't find something that will pay the bills, I have to sell it. In the = very likely event that will happen, I have to redecorate and repair = everything I had been nagging him to do for years as it was, only with less money and time. Now I am not likely to ever enjoy the fruits of these labours. That being said, I have this huge collection of Victorian/Edwardian, and = a smidge of American Confed costuming that *really* needs a home now. I = can't afford to have it taking up space, and now that I have to pay for a = divorce, I could use the money. So much for that special = make-me-feel-better-about-me stuff I was going to do with that money one day. *sigh* Anyway, if = anyone knows of a venue that could purchase my stuff, I would be happy for the leads. I have now become very negotiable on the prices. Off to pour my perfume all over the mattress he wants to take from the house. Hope she likes my choices. Heh, hope he can live with his. ;-) Kathy ~bitter? nooohohohoo...~ =20 Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a = rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules.=20 It=92s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge.=20 Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can = only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you to = their own image. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go = to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 07:56:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HBuIqB009532 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:56:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HBuKs0018206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:56:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HBtAuH058901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HBt6Lk051716; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HBt4V1051641 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1988103waf for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:55:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=3COPDfQPHngEwzLFlOr6B+V15+zHGTAs7TqXiUpA0hs=; b=X1D58YeQLcZBH2r3a2Os3oDH7bLbwbr765DiKsyWX+5P2IaIEPqnQZlxeU0Yn17MfDZBQoMsPFiibXe92qiBISf28nGih0PbR0U4J6Tm0DY95+Mn3uL0TjrODEtjjnvS6fYnR+6m5xGLGrJ+zjkVTbBw12+TTM01wL4IWBKp0JU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rN8EFtjG/1gZXiUZ5LelDttRcojlyAyoGy6D2ZBsGWrql98rxdq5tH93Uc0GdOojqvN90M4e+PIkGZIzJtz0Jsrq61J0Cf1Up5Q2Qk8E92XyxfmbqL2jHgLcm0LRiIIE3G2RsHNZP8U7Ry73w8nleNFPo9/Vt9okpKO/bL5IIHY= Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr4775075wae.1190030100341; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.158.5 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:55:00 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bayreuth event 2007 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f437736a-59d9-4358-8928-aebc2cb2df6f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EE6B64.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO *stares in awe* That is just absolutely gorgeous, Bjarne--and you wear it so well!! Your work is always wonderful, the description of the event is just fantastic--I can't wait to see the other pics! Thank you for sharing your experiences! Meli in the US (Sharon) ----------------Bjarne wrote: Dear list. I just arrived home safely from a long and tiresome trainjourney to Bayreut= h in South Germany. Night trains really isnt my cop of tea, and i slept very bad. So i am a little tired. Spended the weekend of my life with lots of beautifull and kind people having a danse soir=E9 friday evening in the house of Prinsesse Louise von Bayern build about 1720. It was with candle light. An unforgettable walk at the Hermitage at Bayreuth, saturday afternoon, and following a performance with original instruments at the Markgr=E4ffliche Opernhaus also early 18th century - the opera of Henry Purcel "King Arthur" My head is so full of unforgettable moments and sights with beautifull dressed 18th century reenacters. When i get more fresh tomorrow, i shall eddit all my pictures and post a link to you, I made a little sneak prewiev with myself in front of the fountain at the Hermitage with my silver spangeled suit: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig2-1.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 08:52:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HCq9uW011000 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:52:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HCqAlB001510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HCnqLY068894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HCnpJo009016; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:49:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HCnlTg008869 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Rd0BMOMFM5nKlHXuIJxqGDfBZ3kSgjKDwOlYddh1tiz49brordBxxtKGKPCBp4mx; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.231.151.152] (helo=camelot01) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IXG2j-000696-OK for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:49:42 -0400 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:49:08 -0500 Organization: Camelot Horse Center Message-ID: <00c201c7f929$310a1c30$9593e704@camelot01> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf5KSL5LukeRvA4T3ihvk7DYeahzg== X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b57112032e8a142645634ef27bb671157e29a2a9a8dcfcd99fa0301350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.231.151.152 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bec16169-a2b0-46df-b0ca-ec95b059d7f7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EE787A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a question for the list. He is a singer at our local Renaissance Festival and is required to be a nobleman. I made an elaborate beaded men's doublet and panes for him (along the lines of the famous painting of the pearled jerkin and panes outfit of Sir Walter Ralegh) that he has now picked up and loves but, he wanted to know what kind of Chain of Office he might be able to put with the outfit. I have not seen any Elizabethan men's portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the Tudor time period; only single chains with medallions hanging. Does any one know of a portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this fashion just disappeared by Elizabeth's reign? Thanks--Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 12:23:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HGNeNh027617 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:23:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HGNgKb006522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:23:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HGLOQP014368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HGKKHS082200; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:20:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.218]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HGKEJY081900 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rharperny@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.47]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:20:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:20:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.214.17.5] X-Originating-Email: [rharperny@hotmail.com] X-Sender: rharperny@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200709171147.l8HBle2m045946@net.indra.com> From: "R Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:20:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2007 16:20:08.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D6530F0:01C7F946] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Bayreuth Event 2007 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f1d3b3f-946c-408d-ab94-8f1ed628c739 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EEAA0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Richard in MI _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ.  Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 12:54:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HGsXpf006329 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:54:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HGsZKt012714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:54:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HGmx2m021006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HGmlVZ021339; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:48:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HGmYck020853 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC4A101872 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:48:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46EEAFF2.4090000@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:48:50 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear References: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> <001b01c7f81e$212aaa20$27d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001b01c7f81e$212aaa20$27d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2cb6c2d-0d7c-48bc-85ad-5251d001b901 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46EEB14B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You look like you were having a good time. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 15:05:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HJ5pqX025605 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:05:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HJ5qoM006937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:05:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HJ4btU051784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HJ1pnR003459; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8HJ1ioe003181 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:01:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44881 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2007 19:01:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=u9t5w97XfAxkoOrD2xN7K00Q06xuMYp1H37T6sq2zhQEvsgwYJa664qqafTQ510ebuesE4jVWr3kl2pnJD+WTXbY63GtM0oyfS6/OdxJhKiwCwn1GSFPWDAiTWMZnCcSmA4A0XJURl5fYhGdq7u4qut77PhE0oYhJF6i/VcANSM=; X-YMail-OSG: krfwHS4VM1lzj2OipBYuHJMmmJf1tjEybpZSKTvoKRtCqZOiwi4sOzVtRzZsKZq04S8pcVba4guoTTGlu3ALw_h_QNrtCFxuoD41frgy2Dz28pNUOcM3vMaHw0eiPw-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:01:38 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3270.44649.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a321342a-22f9-4b58-83a9-c02e82d6bc71 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EED010.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh yes, when you have the time, it'd be nice to know in which context it was written:-) It would surely be a nice "pro" source...:-) "Schaeffer, Astrida" wrote: I need to go back to the actual source again (as opposed to the info as it currently appears in my chapter) but if I recall correctly (and I last looked at this 2 years ago) there was the element in the trial that he was convicted because of the need to remove braies from his victim, that if she'd not had any on then she could have been a willing participant or perhaps had "fair game" status. Now, I can't state this with 100% certainty right now as it has been so long. Clearly I need to go dig up the records again and clarify how I presented the info in the chapter if I can't decisively answer the "ses braies" translation question based on how it's currently written..... Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Adele de Maisieres Sent: Sat 9/15/2007 12:54 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Astrida: "Là, en un selier, fist entrer, oultre son gré et par force, ladicte Perrete la Souplice, et la > jeta à terre, et avala ses braies, et se mist sus lui, et s'efforça contre sa nature tant > comme il pot..." > (Tanon, 88)" > > Have you ever thought that "et avala ses braies" might also mean "his", not only "her"? Just thinking...:-) I think that's entirely possible. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. 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Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 16:51:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HKpsNj008385 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:51:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HKputY010051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HKot2F072515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:50:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HKokBA045424; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8H4wMLZ090418 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200709170458.l8H4wMLZ090418@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 29024 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2007 20:58:22 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28197, pid: 28980, t: 4.1276s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 15 Sep 2007 20:58:18 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:54:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: RE: [h-cost] wool for fulling In-Reply-To: References: <200709150356.l8F3ts32079258@net.indra.com> <20070915172232.LXFU24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14035beb-95a9-4db4-b9a1-e26bd54053ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EEE8EC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 10:50 AM 9/15/2007, you wrote: >Is there a quick and easy way to know whether a wool fabric is a >good candidate for fulling? My experiments so far have had wildly >different results (the one which I bought marked 100% wool -a >suiting- shrank almost not at all), the other was a blanket from >Value Village (which I did the burn test on the sly in the store) >shrank about the equivalent of my knitting with a worsted >yarn. Thanks for any input. > >Laurie Worsted wool suiting is unlikely to full very much, if at all; it's generally a smooth, firmly woven, somewhat shiny fabric made of worsted-spun wool. If something is fairly fluffy (meaning it's made of a woolen-spun yarn) and not firmly woven, like the blanket, it will probably full to some extent (sometimes to a great extent). Worsted and woolen are technical terms in spinning that define the way the wool is prepared and spun (the use of "worsted" as a size of yarn is a modern misnomer). Worsted yarns are very firm and smooth, with uniform wool fiber lengths and little air incorporated into the thread; the wool fibers are prepared by combing. Woolen yarns are more open and airy than worsted, and have a mix of wool fiber lengths; the wool fibers are prepared by carding. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 16:56:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HKugRH008507 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:56:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HKufFi015534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:56:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HKtxLi073615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HKtkPp052386; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8H8S5ve066849 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.47997984; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:27:42 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l8H8RbJ02510.; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:27:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:27:37 +0100 Message-Id: <46EE487A02000014000DA0E0@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:27:22 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200709151800.l8FI0M9P094591@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200709151800.l8FI0M9P094591@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] comfort vs. fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de88a7e2-43a2-40c7-8506-6472f6d118a5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EEEA09.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Like Ann, I wear sandals with bare feet in summer but always wear tights = with shoes, because I hate the feel of bare feet sticking to the inside of = my shoes. I don't find them uncomfortable at all. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 16:58:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HKwTJu008580 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:58:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HKwVcq013938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:58:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HKw62Q074134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HKw2kX055600; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HBlZbi045844 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070917114731.DQDU3688.fep31.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:47:31 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.203]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070917114731.HEAZ11710.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:47:31 +0200 Message-ID: <018f01c7f920$94472a30$cb43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:47:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.203] at Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:47:26 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bayreuth event 2007 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7b48588-b956-48b4-bccc-b41c6bb1a76a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46EEEA77.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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An unforgettable walk at the Hermitage at Bayreuth, saturday afternoon, and following a performance with original instruments at the Markgräffliche Opernhaus also early 18th century - the opera of Henry Purcel "King Arthur" My head is so full of unforgettable moments and sights with beautifull dressed 18th century reenacters. When i get more fresh tomorrow, i shall eddit all my pictures and post a link to you, I made a little sneak prewiev with myself in front of the fountain at the Hermitage with my silver spangeled suit: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig2-1.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 17:01:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL1IwU008776 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:01:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HL1KxH022342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:01:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HL0uJx074587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL0shS059035; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.107]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8HCVMOO089159 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 88509 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2007 12:31:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BjA07vEBpNWYjWaCELj4HCrv/disuqHKGFUH2pfIfR/Sybzwped7YG+IvlVAsTVLzMqrY2VdbqxXwrD0O/eh7g3+RfhfiJ2yjPCSjImf1O0vg5eH2WtiNFAfDi257/ncnf5gPHbO/Xtv892ALzB05h7LceslNZovmsHjIFZyagw=; X-YMail-OSG: OQkM9YgVM1lSF4McOQyERBvU2r_MkmmzUt3WNabiO_vVLJYZXDDchyLsAUEWubitcQ-- Received: from [206.190.53.136] by web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:31:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <625655.87381.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Victorian costume collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07e6df32-d79e-418a-aa24-e89f005bdcb9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EEEB20.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I can always make anot= her one.=0A=0A>I am so sorry to hear that. Where do you live? I can paint/s= ew, etc. and=0A>would be happy to help. I'm pretty good with tools, too. Co= mes from years as=0A>a theatre tech.=0A>For the costumes:=0A>This was poste= d on Tribe=0A=0A>Lost Colony buildings destroyed in fire =0A=0A>Sharo= n=0A=0AHmmmmm.... I wonder if I called to offer my collection, we could com= e to an arrangement. =0A=0AThanks for the offer. If you were anywhere near = me, I'd have you here in a heartbeat. :-) I have so much to do, all little = annoying things, some need professionals. My SIL is a lighting engineer and= interior designer that used to stage houses for realtors, so as far as tha= t goes, I have a good consultant. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >I made a little sneak prewiev with myself in front of the fountain at the >Hermitage with my silver spangeled suit: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig2-1.htm Bjarne, You look like you were born there as you fit in so well. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 17:07:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL7BPG008975 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HL7CbJ031115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HL5N1X075541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL5LDa064992; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HGr8pT027477 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:53:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so871062ugd for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:53:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Q9wWVMuhUsgAlXGUHIUD3QRuRr0dZ4cxIFlerb4/eDM=; b=muu1PfgM45vcZOrP3r1TSCD7NkbuamuNz9C0rJxxFwE0xAeradlI1qDO+/ql5dNmI60bSbyZVz7Hfx94pmB4aVp4UEH+smgf5siDoZ9XAY9S8GOupPqrkr8AOHZ8aHPFK55uiI9LXicdbNTqEhCQuiin3UAuqQo72Ho7X9JNEr8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hPO7eBG0kb+ZR+C335JxUw7LRoD56ROXI3ZEkCtuswpyiXHk1Zkwsr7gy11Zg9iYGX2M9SH/g7O365IoczphogVra9b1sv05HCmn3sy7RBngt7Se1HEAB7zoXUi62kRX0TqXLPktn3jpfa0B/Xu7gEaDDPEjtc84q6UGvvXi7f8= Received: by 10.78.159.7 with SMTP id h7mr2839661hue.1190047383580; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.137.15 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0709170943y5863b990r8451b56e2ca607ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:43:03 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear In-Reply-To: <001b01c7f81e$212aaa20$27d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004f01c80d63$6b6629c0$a0f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> <001b01c7f81e$212aaa20$27d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f0a9105-d32f-4117-b56e-7e196be5019d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46EEEC81.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Looks great, Elizabeth. Well done. LynnD On 9/15/07, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hi everyone, thanks for the advice, I went shopping on Friday and ended up > finding a cheap felt tricorn hat from a 'dollar store' type shop so I > decided as the theme was pirates I would use it instead of investing time > experimenting with a cap, I did achieve big hair but let it down later in > the night as the weight was giving me a headache. I only got one photo of > the completed ensemble, you can see it here > http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1095/1389185881_2bae00cb28.jpg (unfortunately > my hair came out looking darker than it does in real life and blended in > with the hat so it's hard to see the effect of my big hair) > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 17:08:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL8edd009007 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:08:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HL8eKh032112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:08:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HL8COq076087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL87G1068628; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL7xg4068339 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JOJ00B9X6OS3HR0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:27 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: Bayreuth Event 2007 In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 988fe957-d9f7-4923-bc76-e7a566071d45 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EEECD8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Makes you want to do 18th Century, hey Richard? (Sigh) When are you coming East? Monica/ Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of R Harper Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:20 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] re: Bayreuth Event 2007 >I just arrived home safely from a long and tiresome trainjourney to >Bayreuth in South Germany. Bjarne, you look exquisite, as always. I can't wait to see the rest of your pictures! Richard in MI _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ.  Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 17:09:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL9JSP009021 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:09:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8HL9KWP008913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8HL8rr4076184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL8n8H069560; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8HL7xg2068339 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JOJ00B9X6OS3HR0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:07:27 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bayreuth event 2007 In-reply-to: <018f01c7f920$94472a30$cb43a150@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bfdec53-5f9a-4d0f-9e7a-7a31b9c733c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EEED00.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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An unforgettable walk at the Hermitage at Bayreuth, saturday afternoon, and following a performance with original instruments at the Markgräffliche Opernhaus also early 18th century - the opera of Henry Purcel "King Arthur" My head is so full of unforgettable moments and sights with beautifull dressed 18th century reenacters. When i get more fresh tomorrow, i shall eddit all my pictures and post a link to you, I made a little sneak prewiev with myself in front of the fountain at the Hermitage with my silver spangeled suit: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig2-1.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 17 22:04:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8I24YJw018876 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:04:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8I24ZsA019572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:04:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8I236gn028977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:03:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8I22wKU084011; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8I22sv0083964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l8I22qe0021116 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:02:54 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:06:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00c201c7f929$310a1c30$9593e704@camelot01> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33ca49be-32a9-4728-a228-955e0b14fe30 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46EF3233.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would think that they must exist because the great chains still exist. I've been privileged to see the Lady Mayor of Sheffield and the Lord Mayor of Bath wearing their town's great chains. The thing would be to locate a picture of someone with their regalia on. How about Sir Henry Lee, Elizabeth's Champion? Regina > I have not seen any Elizabethan men's > portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the > Tudor time > period; only single chains with medallions hanging. Does any one > know of a > portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this > fashion just > disappeared by Elizabeth's reign? > > > > Thanks--Diane > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 09:52:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IDqEob022064 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:52:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8IDqF7s028995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:52:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8IDp8ib027606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IDp1fl092482; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8I5F35O048504 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C8C137B66 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:15:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cdcc927-ddc4-4b75-922b-b8299f5fb0ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46EFD80F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >From my understanding, Livery collars were replaced by gold chains for everyday wear which would sometimes have a pendant of some sort hanging from it, like a miniature portrait or if say the person is of the Order of the fleece, they would have a gold fleece/sheep pendant in the time of Elizabeth's reign. During ceremonies/formal functions of Orders the collar would be worn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Schatzkammer_Wien_Collane_Orden_vom_Golde nen_Vlies.jpg Also, certain offices and Mayoral offices retained the collars. After doing a little more browsing on the subject I found (zoomable) http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?locid=308&rNo=3 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Burghley_Garter_Robes.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Thomas_howard_suffolk.jpg So from what I have found, unless he is claiming to be of an Order, he really should not wear one and probably not while strolling around the streets. De -----Original Message----- I would think that they must exist because the great chains still exist. I've been privileged to see the Lady Mayor of Sheffield and the Lord Mayor of Bath wearing their town's great chains. The thing would be to locate a picture of someone with their regalia on. How about Sir Henry Lee, Elizabeth's Champion? Regina > I have not seen any Elizabethan men's > portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the > Tudor time > period; only single chains with medallions hanging. Does any one > know of a > portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this > fashion just > disappeared by Elizabeth's reign? > > > > Thanks--Diane > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 09:53:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IDrY67022100 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:53:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8IDraU4029916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:53:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8IDqkk2027963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IDqjg2094655; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IBQmDg046928 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070918112644.XDPF4261.fep34.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:26:44 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.190]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070918112644.NFKD15338.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:26:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7f9e6$dc412680$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:27:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.190] at Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:26:38 +0200 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 35d13ec5-e84c-4eea-a04d-09667ed982c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46EFD860.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I know i have the permission to show you all, as great apreciaters of historical costumes: http://root.cologne-digital-online.de/isabel/bayreuth2007/ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 11:12:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IFCTgT024467 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:12:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8IFCU7M006332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8IFABOk043055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IFA3xm086213; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IF9ROd085218 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bd0.1894da62 (52467) for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d09.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD096-ccf346efea0fb9; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:09:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000501c7f9e6$dc412680$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c7f9e6$dc412680$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <1d25cd0af9796a690f590efbce0c9d6a@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:09:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c312f13-300f-402c-a936-08dc50411534 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46EFEADE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne, Thank you so much! Please forgive my ignorance: what time period do the costumes=20 represent? I am interested in the young lady in the Riding Habit,=20 since I also ride sidesaddle. Thank you, again. Susan (NJ-USA) "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:27 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Some wonderfull professional photos has already ben uploaded to the=20 > web. > I know i have the permission to show you all, as great apreciaters of=20 > historical costumes: > > http://root.cologne-digital-online.de/isabel/bayreuth2007/ > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 11:24:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IFORMP024875 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:24:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8IFOTOe003001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:24:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8IFMkc6045445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IFMeCL002924; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IFMUnj002595 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070918152223.IOVQ2827.fep33.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:22:23 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.190]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070918152223.NKUH15338.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:22:23 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c7fa07$d40ee710$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c7f9e6$dc412680$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> <1d25cd0af9796a690f590efbce0c9d6a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:23:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.190] at Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:22:16 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 089ca195-d834-4140-88e7-f2b29eaec4b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46EFEDAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This would be Cecilias riding outfit you are thinking of, her husband is the tall slender person in the green and red suit. Cecilias is black jacket - red skirt? I think hers is about 1740. I remember she told me, she wears it buttoned because she has not made the waistcoat yeat. In all the costumes are from about 1730 - 1790 so it is a wide range of costumes. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Data-Samtak" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures Bjarne, Thank you so much! Please forgive my ignorance: what time period do the costumes represent? I am interested in the young lady in the Riding Habit, since I also ride sidesaddle. Thank you, again. Susan (NJ-USA) "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 12:08:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IG83eR025988 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:08:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8IG84Xv002222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:08:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8IG6xGa055285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IG6n2Q062020; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:06:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IG6JRG061273 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c6e.19d6d84c (55346) for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-d05.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAD057-d83246eff75a1b7; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:05:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001301c7fa07$d40ee710$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c7f9e6$dc412680$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> <1d25cd0af9796a690f590efbce0c9d6a@aol.com> <001301c7fa07$d40ee710$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:05:46 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7960a51c-c58d-48fa-a980-e26ac082180b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46EFF7E4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > This would be Cecilias riding outfit you are thinking of, her husband=20 > is the tall slender person in the green and red suit. > Cecilias is black jacket - red skirt? > I think hers is about 1740. I remember she told me, she wears it=20 > buttoned because she has not made the waistcoat yeat. > In all the costumes are from about 1730 - 1790 so it is a wide range=20 > of costumes. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Data-Samtak"=20 > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures > > > Bjarne, > > Thank you so much! > > Please forgive my ignorance: what time period do the costumes > represent? I am interested in the young lady in the Riding Habit, > since I also ride sidesaddle. > > Thank you, again. > > Susan > (NJ-USA) > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark > Trail" by Louis L'Amour > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 18:14:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IMExBD005464 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:14:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8IMF1Xu027365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:15:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8IMCBrf036600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IMC5D4018900; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IMC0Zn018783 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:12:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so8443rvf for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:12:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ywxJarDnnpj1ojYTEAVBbkbDGvMp6BfnVbfKEDK/DMU=; b=ZXL989Flb85XTAAzQm9tQCliAipQqD4hPUoebFUPiRshF0ByjVwR15J633nTkYLFAci8rKpLKqjX0O9WnDuFh67FTfRAoxqt3B3M9FeIq9AsI9Ok44YLJ+75t5un4XKrc0gEyj1HTemWefr1myaKeVR1DX1hBpV0fPYdB0uV2rE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fUDKW7QB4GiuQDzEZnYxKJ1RYZsKadJRQGNtFUA6AHr6FTs0OaAXAa4Q27H4+4PryzLCXXzyfIwfs0ZbDWPx4j0I7r1AcDBmAMf6xP6ZHkDYH0hJF4Ctq9FKQl3oAX2CIYed5n035jASKsmzPr/SV7Tc1tJQFKa7ConMpPUE+Wk= Received: by 10.114.56.1 with SMTP id e1mr4741107waa.1190153520124; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.26.20 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0709181512v634931c1t55765c58b8a06153@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:12:00 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a5cda20-d3d5-4b3e-86da-07acf7566bc7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F04DE5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I just found this last night: http://tinyurl.com/2emcwc or the original link: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=2435677&iSaleNo=11912 "Portrait of Sir Thomas Radcliffe, 3rd Earl of Sussex (1526/7-83) , three-quarter-length, in the robes, collar and George of the Order of the Garter, holding the Lord Chamberlain's white rod" "The present portrait can be counted among those that post-date his appointment as Lord Chamberlain in 1572, since he is depicted here holding the white rod of this office." Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 18:58:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IMw47h008164 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:58:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8IMw6Px021840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:58:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8IMvXQv043636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IMvULZ065932; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8IMvRuv065867 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7A428D03F0; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:56:36 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bayreuth event 2007 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:57:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c7fa47$526e97b0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acf5IaAu1BERdfUdSx6JeU0X7U+NJgBJaDaA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c76610e-0c8a-4121-a0ea-242a63fafaba X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F057FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Beautiful! I love the color. I'm looking forward to more pictures. Sharon C.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Sharon Henderson Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:55 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bayreuth event 2007 *stares in awe* That is just absolutely gorgeous, Bjarne--and you wear = it so well!! Your work is always wonderful, the description of the event = is just fantastic--I can't wait to see the other pics! Thank you for sharing your experiences! Meli in the US (Sharon) ----------------Bjarne wrote: Dear list. I just arrived home safely from a long and tiresome trainjourney to = Bayreuth in South Germany. Night trains really isnt my cop of tea, and i slept = very bad. So i am a little tired. Spended the weekend of my life with lots of beautifull and kind people having a danse soir=E9 friday evening in the house of Prinsesse Louise = von Bayern build about 1720. It was with candle light. An unforgettable walk at the Hermitage at Bayreuth, saturday afternoon, and following a performance with original instruments at the Markgr=E4ffliche Opernhaus also early 18th century - = the opera of Henry Purcel "King Arthur" My head is so full of unforgettable moments and sights with beautifull dressed 18th century reenacters. When i get more fresh tomorrow, i shall eddit all my pictures and post a link to you, I made a little sneak prewiev with myself in front of the fountain at the Hermitage with my silver spangeled suit: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig2-1.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 21:42:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J1gcJg014523 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:42:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8J1geVO009443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8J1fhse060413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J1feMm095846; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J1fasT095786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l8J1fZjW022563 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:41:36 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] More info on my lectures in Oregon Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:45:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 076ee87a-e6b7-4877-8ca2-0faa8e9cabf9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F07E90.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO See you there Robin!!! My check went into the mail yesterday for both sessions! Regina/Wanda > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:41 PM > To: Historic Costume List > Subject: [h-cost] More info on my lectures in Oregon > > > > Information on my upcoming lecture day, Oct. 20, in Eugene, Oregon, is now > online here: > > http://www.costumetalk.com/CTinfo/ > > with details on my lectures here: > > http://costumetalk.com/CTinfo/index.php?option=com_content&task=vi ew&id=15&Itemid=36 On Oct. 21, Tammie Dupuis ("The Renaissance Tailor") will be speaking. Information on her lecture is on the same website. Forward at will. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 21:54:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J1sUq6014846 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:54:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8J1sVOZ023638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:54:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8J1s3IR061618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J1s2Wq004457; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J1rvf9004335 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W7 ([65.55.136.42]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:53:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.8.89.131] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] More info on my lectures in Oregon Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:53:51 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2007 01:53:51.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED6AE030:01C7FA5F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8227ed4-a9b7-4ecd-ac6e-1d8919a47e13 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F08158.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 18 23:31:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J3VWtP017658 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:31:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8J3VRgp018696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:31:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8J3UPnD073897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J3UNF5075687; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J3UKIr075576 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail18.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2007091903301411200oh5pse>; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:30:14 +0000 Received: from [67.101.57.208] by mwebmail18.att.net; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:30:13 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:30:13 +0000 Message-Id: <091920070330.13398.46F097C4000A82450000345621603763160A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Source for Busk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d52d88db-6463-4ec7-b1ce-044087a68a22 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F0980F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jane Pease _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 01:27:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J5RWo0021128 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:27:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8J5RYYe021697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8J5Qbjo089585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J5QYEV053246; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outU.internet-mail-service.net (outU.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J5QVJX053188 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:26:30 -0700 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id 960F012640F; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:26:30 -0700 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth pictures Message-ID: <20070919052630.GA88216@idiom.com> References: <000501c7f9e6$dc412680$be14a150@CPQ21932199711> <200709181530.l8IFUXt3014349@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200709181530.l8IFUXt3014349@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 00b04b45-5f11-48b6-91cf-555ef0ffcaea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F0B346.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 18 Sep 2007, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 04:27 AM 9/18/2007, you wrote: > >Some wonderfull professional photos has already ben uploaded to the web. > >I know i have the permission to show you all, as great apreciaters > >of historical costumes: > > > >http://root.cologne-digital-online.de/isabel/bayreuth2007/ > > > >Bjarne > > Very nice! You are very fortunate to have such wonderful venues for > your events. Indeed! I am very jealous of all costumers in Europe. I particularly love the candle-lit dinner. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 04:41:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8frpT027117 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:41:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8J8focb019726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:41:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8J8eVcc015940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8ePrc081576; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8eL7D081523 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.48269197; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:40:04 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l8J8e3Y21811.; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:40:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:40:03 +0100 Message-Id: <46F0EE6802000014000DA375@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:39:52 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200709182140.l8ILe1H6081066@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200709182140.l8ILe1H6081066@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Bayreuth pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9b64b24-ba38-4c3a-8c7e-b2445328f48c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F0E0CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What beautiful pictures! The young lady in light green looks particularly exquisite. I notice some of the gentlemen have moustaches or small beards. Is this correct for the period? I once spent a year in Lausanne, Switzerland, where the local patriotic hero, Major Davel, is always shown with a powdered wig and a small moustache. I thought this odd, because I've never seen facial hair in 18th century British portraits. Perhaps it was a Continental fashion? Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 04:43:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8hEKN027300 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:43:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8J8hGJ8024741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:43:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8J8gttT016157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8gtvk083431; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8gpEL083381 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 34396400BF for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:42:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:43:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b9a7fcb-501e-44f5-bf2d-f1eecfe2e84e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F0E124.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Kate, No you are absolutely correct, normally it was not the tone with moustache, but some of the military persons had. Also a gentleman with a strange beard, he was a payed musician who wore a strange costume. But he played the cemballo wery well. He also had forgotten his knee stockings, so luckily i had some he could borrow. Some prussian officers wore moustache, (think about Barry Lyndon?) The pale green was indeed a dress i kept my eyes apon very long time, it was a mantua. I especially admired the back it was so beautifull. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Bayreuth pictures > What beautiful pictures! The young lady in light green looks particularly > exquisite. > > I notice some of the gentlemen have moustaches or small beards. Is this > correct > for the period? I once spent a year in Lausanne, Switzerland, where the > local > patriotic hero, Major Davel, is always shown with a powdered wig and a > small > moustache. I thought this odd, because I've never seen facial hair in 18th > century British portraits. Perhaps it was a Continental fashion? > > Kate Bunting > Librarian & 17th century reenactor > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 04:56:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8u9wp029692 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:56:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8J8uBg7031218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:56:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8J8teAP017348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8td6t092556; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8J8ta5a092471 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070919085531.LYVJ2827.fep33.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:55:31 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.182]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070919085531.NZMU11474.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:55:31 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c7fa9a$df2aa510$b614a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:55:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.182] at Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:55:26 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c83642d-691d-49c0-b8c1-3bc2df532062 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F0E42B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat > http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=543 > > De > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 07:25:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JBPQto018456 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:25:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JBPSLx000396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:25:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JBOIvP037903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JBOBbQ007050; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:24:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8J5QMVp053047 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDRBNYJAATTWXA for (sender ); Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:25:28 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgrns7yUobDXREwQL+apHdHI= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MXYSPC82; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:25:04 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:22:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] More info on my lectures in Oregon Message-ID: <20070918.222403.1056.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-6 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:2:657014885 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist X-UUID: 7d372309-9541-4291-bf02-e1e8e8f4c118 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F10728.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 09:28:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JDSeZk023127 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:28:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JDSgGt001892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:28:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JDREsD061270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:27:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JDRAa2029730; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JDR72h029676 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so179280fkq for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3DZKB+HIumtZNStt0gbfl7oONeCNwvehX3Q9hbGnOSs=; b=nZ+k3Ufdt4UQ6HuRboiUnUpIaFTLCVT8gsBR4pGfXnCRQmrSvWNndLLQQwrmI1X9jDmNWp0l8BfHVs/IKfRA39FfXLWuHVfaTFRP2xUSFwXrAWSB6uzTnRtSr3NeVkVOz0bCEiJZRchIH5k9FazOxc1eQc4BAExicqkXwRh3Dbw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CRgWIij9O5s+dCh8yfDBS9MWnbs8i2W0AYNfXot4v1WZB9o0k4MGhknqXLQQe/sNb+A9JtQ+RUckg/hor2KiAdHZk/ClTpwswQgrnhLwHr/jRZAi/2Slzmy1R/dWn6Az2XOyGWNSBfnGvSzwYeW/Yp/eHpIa00iML0SXoIrGKxg= Received: by 10.82.119.17 with SMTP id r17mr839687buc.1190208424235; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.119.19 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0709190627n9254189m27991cc21f29915b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:27:04 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Busk In-Reply-To: <091920070330.13398.46F097C4000A82450000345621603763160A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <091920070330.13398.46F097C4000A82450000345621603763160A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86bf3360-6432-4a9f-bfc1-2516995eeddc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F1240A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Anyone know where I might find such a thing? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jane Pease > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 09:44:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JDiBfd023623 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:44:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JDiCHS005479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:44:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JDhQVF064246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JDhOSi048087; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JDhL4w047916 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rharperny@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.32]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:43:16 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:43:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:43:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.214.17.5] X-Originating-Email: [rharperny@hotmail.com] X-Sender: rharperny@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200709182140.l8ILe1H5081066@net.indra.com> From: "R Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:43:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2007 13:43:16.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[07EB5B20:01C7FAC3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Bayreuth Event 2007 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff98b0a4-8087-4219-9ebd-49c00e02ecb2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F127AC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 10:03:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JE3Ncd024319 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:03:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JE3PmM009786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:03:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JE2QSe067470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JE2LQt069252; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JE2E8F069053 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d14.146382d7 (30737) for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:01:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: Bayreuth Event 2007 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9c62353-8c8d-42ec-a8f5-63946b564811 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F12C2D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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[I'm teasing, of course] ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 10:13:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JEDf0a024856 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:13:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JEDgcD026137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:13:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JECWqN069807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JECT52081315; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JECPoN081170 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so175142nze for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:12:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=XpwUWgqdYT6qq3ah7LvvDm2VdD03IVCUFb1mCSSZjkQ=; b=s7AeVxkS6euknlrh4i5CWAWrZrbc9ZsjxcWuNrQ69yR2mah6nvK1b4gWjF0xLD8o2+7Ecpa9gbWZ9ixl9bO/mNiejmRMPEFYV/ZKBuys+/9v/kqlH41EoY2lDQ3Hj3MM0ACopZogAdUFGWBG4zaDWTLgMqq4L+DTbsGhFp22KiY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NICMM4l3PBpytvY1KQVUYgHeRiuk57l37XaxBDsNjEbvH5jBwvxJ1HTp/cHfXLiVp8Q+mMD+dd9q3PDFewDrX0WFrZMUGSuct3xDafFG/LUkSoExtD10gaeQYiAQqGoJEoF81P3hwK36CLXSAvjdCliXWnd0qmuZx446CjDBER8= Received: by 10.115.17.1 with SMTP id u1mr752479wai.1190211140696; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.76.7 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590709190712p16cc5ddaqd51b82689f0dae75@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:12:20 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb36346b-d1f0-4470-a2df-affae0e76ee4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F12E96.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Good morning, In looking at this painting of Elizabeth Vernon I had a few questions and wondered what other's thoughts were on some of the elements of the lady's costume. http://www.boughtonhouse.org.uk/htm/gallery2/paintings/countessofsoton.htm In particular, I am wondering if the smooth white we see is a lining of the embroidered jacket, or is that her smock that is laid open to show the falling lace collar against the jacket? and I'm guessing that construction of the embroidered jacket is similar to Margaret Layton (or is it Laton?)'s jacket that is still in the V&A and there's a portrait somewhere of her wearing said jacket. This jacket is dated to 1620, and Margaret's portrait to a few years later. Elizabeth's portrait is dated to 1600. http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/british_galleries/bg_styles/Style01b/objects/object5_2.html And lastly, does anyone have leads as to what these jackets might have looked like before the vogue for the polychrome embroidery as seen in these paintings and artifacts that have all been dated to 1600 or later? I'm hoping to figure out what a lady in 1570-80 might have worn. alex -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 12:14:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JGEQWs030262 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:14:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JGESq4022511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JGBvNV094349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JGBrkK031101; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8JGBnK7030929 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morrghan92@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98895 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2007 16:11:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MlAiRvf3wjBxpx56enEySAHa3OQkskbXG3feIkyMw6CzOvO8LC4Iuzjwsl5KdRl5FRy1oHyEagtSvNmIET4ZtgjPaInfxvgXNx5Vi3js2tityGfyTgaiL0Mu6Pyj+j6zuz/paKltDSIS4GsOmztuAgrQc+l1JLJaxBxFX0GY9cw=; X-YMail-OSG: 5lgrC18VM1m9eyTq8_tp3vH.ipAhjL3MgxWCtGErtCwhdmiUedQhN2xhCipZdXtMdgQrfv8ECj.HfJDav029eWOFxVQLUezkUnwN6VJt9r6b9rAgKGKKHLv18vS.Tg-- Received: from [68.142.201.149] by web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:11:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Sara Snellings Subject: Re: [h-cost] More info on my lectures in Oregon To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <405465.97435.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a53092c5-96db-47d9-8d9f-3bd75e25d58d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F14AE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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So maybe it was a starting trend late in the century. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 12:42:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JGgHno031137 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:42:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JGgIFd005436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:42:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JGfbHt000685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JGeSMO068953; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JEWJiW004738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:32:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-133-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.133]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id l8JEWGPB016009 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:32:18 +1000 Message-ID: <003701c7fac9$de967000$85d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <870801590709190712p16cc5ddaqd51b82689f0dae75@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:32:11 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21088490-f868-4baa-97a7-50a3bca5fbbf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F1516A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole | Elizabeth Beaumont Canberra, Australia | Politarchopolis, Lochac http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 13:09:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JH9VQb032063 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:09:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JH9X5c032515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:09:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JH8Bi3005959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:08:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JH7TOh005724; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JH7KF4005376 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 608012764-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.37.109 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FABT08EZPSCVt/2dsb2JhbACBWA Received: from 79-72-37-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.37.109]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 19 Sep 2007 18:07:04 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070919180114.033f50d8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:07:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets In-Reply-To: <003701c7fac9$de967000$85d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <870801590709190712p16cc5ddaqd51b82689f0dae75@mail.gmail.com> <003701c7fac9$de967000$85d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1ccf2e4-962c-453d-a051-2109d6c10409 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F157CD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 15:32 19/09/2007, you wrote: >>And lastly, does anyone have leads as to what these jackets might have >>looked like before the vogue for the polychrome embroidery as seen in >>these paintings and artifacts that have all been dated to 1600 or >>later? I'm hoping to figure out what a lady in 1570-80 might have >>worn. >> >>alex > >There's two monochrome embroidered jackets mentioned on this page, >if it helps >http://www.extremecostuming.com/reproductions/themaidstonejacket.html > but ultimately I think jackets are a very late 16th century >fashion and I'm not sure if they existed in the 1570s. >Elizabeth The "London" jacket at the Museum of London is dated 1610-15. The "Maidstone" jacket is dated, if I remember right, 1630. I think that any jacket earlier than them would have been pretty much the same shape, as that does not change in the embroidered jackets for up to 60 years or so, depending on location. (In Denmark they appear in about 1660.) There are plain ones, both wadded and plain, in Holland, Flanders and the Low Countries throughout the 17th century. I just wonder if plain ones were used before 1600, and have simply not been recorded as they were considered to be "ordinary." Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 13:32:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JHWJBJ000725 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:32:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JHWLr6030441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JHUT5u010580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JHSR1b032920; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JHRg5b031847 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:27:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W24 ([65.55.136.59]) by bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:27:32 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.8.89.131] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:27:32 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <870801590709190712p16cc5ddaqd51b82689f0dae75@mail.gmail.com> References: <870801590709190712p16cc5ddaqd51b82689f0dae75@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2007 17:27:32.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CA971F0:01C7FAE2] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 889d53a6-56f2-488b-805e-1272cf765f39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F15D25.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Alex wrote: > In looking at this painting of Elizabeth Vernon I had a few questions > and wondered what other's thoughts were on some of the elements of the > lady's costume. > > http://www.boughtonhouse.org.uk/htm/gallery2/paintings/countessofsoton.ht= m This is not my own area so I won't try to answer, but I do want to note tha= t Danielle Nunn-Weinberg, who is sometimes on this list, did a detailed stu= dy of these jackets, including a point-by-point analysis of the Vernon port= rait, in volume 2 of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. The article is called = "The Matron Goes to the Masque: The Dual Identity of the English Embroidere= d Jacket." I would strongly suggest you read this before you try to re-crea= te anything from this portrait, because it's chock-full of theatrical and s= ymbolic elements. > and I'm guessing that construction of the embroidered jacket is > similar to Margaret Layton (or is it Laton?)'s jacket that is still in > the V&A and there's a portrait somewhere of her wearing said jacket. > This jacket is dated to 1620, and Margaret's portrait to a few years > later. Elizabeth's portrait is dated to 1600. Danielle's article discusses (and shows a picture of) both the Laton jacket= and the portrait, and explains the apparent discrepancies between them. > And lastly, does anyone have leads as to what these jackets might have > looked like before the vogue for the polychrome embroidery as seen in > these paintings and artifacts that have all been dated to 1600 or > later? I'm hoping to figure out what a lady in 1570-80 might have > worn. Danielle examined about 100 portraits showing jackets and seven extant jack= ets. 10 of the portraits were painted before 1600. She doesn't have a lot o= f detail about them, but I think it's worth reading the article to get a se= nse of their line of development. Danielle may have more to say if she's reading this. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf= =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 16:06:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JK6O27007453 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:06:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JK6QS9020238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:06:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JK4qqF037317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JK4aDZ018736; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JK4BOR018150 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 59A063788C for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:47:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:48:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001e01c7fa9a$df2aa510$b614a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82f9d201-a3f2-4da1-a1e0-c4b32abb4264 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F18142.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No, I hadn't noticed. I came across this while looking for a shirt. I am using the Simplicity Pirate pattern #4923 http://tinyurl.com/359l8g to make a costume, maybe for Halloween and for sure, for 2008 Archon and wished to adapt it to make it look more authentic then costumy. Thinking of putting pockets into the jacket and maybe the vest. De -----Original Message----- Thanks a lot for this! It is clever, did you notice, they made an extra expansion on the right side for the buttons, so that the pattern wont be spoiled when closed together? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=543 > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 16:48:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JKmbL9009142 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:48:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8JKmcX1031225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:48:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8JKkwDa046192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JKks2q072962; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8JKkf51072476 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3498101EE1 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:46:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46F18AAF.7010101@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:46:39 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de983e85-7b14-4221-9285-d12ef2d84664 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F18B26.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO otsisto wrote: > No, I hadn't noticed. I came across this while looking for a shirt. I am > using the Simplicity Pirate pattern #4923 > http://tinyurl.com/359l8g > to make a costume, maybe for Halloween and for sure, for 2008 Archon and > wished to adapt it to make it look more authentic then costumy. Thinking of > putting pockets into the jacket and maybe the vest. > If you have _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ there's a lot of very useful diagrams there. What I found last year, doing the exact same thing is that (in addition to the faux pockets) the coat runs large (too long and too wide in back both), and there isn't nearly enough fabric in the skirts. And it needs lining. The waistcoat was ok out of the package. The shirt was ok except for the underarms where they attached a gusset piece. It fits fine, I made mine as-is, but historically it would have been a gusset. The front opening is really deep. Check it before you cut it. Mine almost ended up at my navel. If you don't want to look like every other member of the Simplicity Pirate Fleet (and there's a lot of them out there) may I suggest you change the shape of the pocket flaps and cuffs. My project diary: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/17thcentury.htm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 20:02:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K02nHL016749 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:02:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8K02onb017188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:02:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8K01eke073956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K01bcs070364; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:01:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K01ZDP070341 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so323260nze for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:01:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Ys1O14yxTHMgGUODwsfXMGYiQyqQwIBIhDcYFUXzHJI=; b=B3R9Z5Vb7z+zyPh5LwrJWFLlPNabZyaUvFC5Crc93c4VvEQULIFCLo34xeplTe+hZnjwzaRMx25nxiLAbi+DstkekUi4rnNsQiSRmJms4CLT9TlkXI3jf4+13FrHDGn4nR0I6UMUsOG2DRaT1MGR1siH3mTKK3JAo12H5mFov64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Cq/hR/g7S0iAHyWh0RoDdzEkRVfyMVjye83RZxlKLUGgZ5fbZ3YL5lWzsOq0yvQbqp+0bjTeHP6NVweCn1GH0j+THwqISgYOyKKCD0Gc5cZcQrJjF53YVeTQyz8kk6ILManEXZ4rCvEV8z9CAF71wSc/na66LM9PcumEq1d+q/w= Received: by 10.142.153.8 with SMTP id a8mr548484wfe.1190246494233; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.19.20 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:01:34 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Source for Busk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6722bf04-4388-468f-a390-9e09563505f5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F1B8AA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The best costumes require the use of powertools. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 20:53:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K0roDx018654 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:53:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8K0rqVn018009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:53:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8K0r6ID079990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K0r3Ds011618; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:53:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K0qxiE011389 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2007092000525301400rlhk7e>; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:52:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <625655.87381.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <625655.87381.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Victorian costume collection Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:52:52 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 252dec0b-0564-48a8-b817-0a840cf68ee7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F1C4A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Any men's wear, children's wear or anything=20 > pre-1600 is not for sale. Anything else I will consider. Although I=20 > would really like to keep my hoop dress, the right price will sell it.=20= > I can always make another one. > >> I am so sorry to hear that. Where do you live? I can paint/sew, etc.=20= >> and >> would be happy to help. I'm pretty good with tools, too. Comes from=20= >> years as >> a theatre tech. >> For the costumes: >> This was posted on Tribe > >> Lost Colony buildings destroyed in fire > >> Sharon > > Hmmmmm.... I wonder if I called to offer my collection, we could come=20= > to an arrangement. > > Thanks for the offer. If you were anywhere near me, I'd have you here=20= > in a heartbeat. :-) I have so much to do, all little annoying things,=20= > some need professionals. My SIL is a lighting engineer and interior=20 > designer that used to stage houses for realtors, so as far as that=20 > goes, I have a good consultant. We are having a grand time spending=20 > his money to fix the house he no longer lives in. ;-) > > >> Have you heard the one about the woman whose husband and new=20 >> girlfriend/wife >> wanted to move into her home, which she couldn't afford now he had=20 >> dumped >> her? She put fresh shrimp in the hollow curtain rods and moved out. > > *L* Yes, I have heard it. I thought about pushing a chunk of roadkill=20= > into the mattress, but I'd have to find a way of opening a seam, then=20= > replacing it without being noticeable. I just thought my perfume would=20= > be nauseating enough to him that he won't sleep well. This is the=20 > stuff that he said not long ago he liked because it reminded him of=20 > me. And incidentally, my mother bought me so m > st going to spray, smear and powder that damned thing until it reeks,=20= > then package it up in plastic, looking like I am being pleasant and=20 > efficient. It'll be too late by the time he gets it to his "cozy,=20 > furnished and convenient little basement apartment" that he'll be=20 > stuck with it. He can't afford to buy a new one now, anyway. The smell=20= > will go away - eventually. > > Yes, I am evil! > > Kathy > ~who's ex thinks my making comments in an email about cold beds is=20 > funny. He didn't see my face when I wrote it~ > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a=20= > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. > It=92s never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of = knowledge. > Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can=20= > only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you=20= > to their own image. > > > > Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All=20= > new Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi:=0A =0AKathy, what size are the gowns and what prices are you thinking? = =0A=0AI'm sorta interested in either the Victorian or 18th century gowns, e= ven though I probably shouldn't be buying ANYTHING right now. I'm a size 14= for the forseeable future, although I have fantasies of dieting, but I'm 5= '9".=0A=0ASheridan=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Kathy Page <= caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca>=0ATo: h-costume@indra.com=0ASent: Monday, Septem= ber 17, 2007 8:31:16 AM=0ASubject: [h-cost] Re: Victorian costume collectio= n=0A=0A=0A>Where are you?=0A=0A>Sylvia=0A=0AI am about an hour's drive west= of Toronto, Ontario. But I'm happy to ship to anywhere in the world. :-) = =0A=0AI just realised that my soon-to-be ex had uploaded all of my portfoli= o to his Picasa account, thinking I needed a copy. I had them in my drive, = but this is a convenient mistake:=0Ahttp://picasaweb.google.com/49victor/Ka= thySCostuming=0AIt's not sorted yet, and I don't currently have access to t= he account to do any sorting. Any men's wear, children's wear or anything p= re-1600 is not for sale. Anything else I will consider. Although I would re= ally like to keep my hoop dress, the right price will sell it. I can always= make another one.=0A=0A>I am so sorry to hear that. Where do you live? I c= an paint/sew, etc. and=0A>would be happy to help. I'm pretty good with tool= s, too. Comes from years as=0A>a theatre tech.=0A>For the costumes:=0A>This= was posted on Tribe=0A=0A>Lost Colony buildings destroyed in fire = =0A=0A>Sharon=0A=0AHmmmmm.... I wonder if I called to offer my collection, = we could come to an arrangement. =0A=0AThanks for the offer. If you were an= ywhere near me, I'd have you here in a heartbeat. :-) I have so much to do,= all little annoying things, some need professionals. My SIL is a lighting = engineer and interior designer that used to stage houses for realtors, so a= s far as that goes, I have a good consultant. We are having a grand time sp= ending his money to fix the house he no longer lives in. ;-) =0A=0A=0A>Have= you heard the one about the woman whose husband and new girlfriend/wife=0A= >wanted to move into her home, which she couldn't afford now he had dumped= =0A>her? She put fresh shrimp in the hollow curtain rods and moved out. =0A= =0A*L* Yes, I have heard it. I thought about pushing a chunk of roadkill in= to the mattress, but I'd have to find a way of opening a seam, then replaci= ng it without being noticeable. I just thought my perfume would be nauseati= ng enough to him that he won't sleep well. This is the stuff that he said n= ot long ago he liked because it reminded him of me. And incidentally, my mo= ther bought me so much of it, I could bathe in the lotion and bottles of pe= rfume. I'm just going to spray, smear and powder that damned thing until it= reeks, then package it up in plastic, looking like I am being pleasant and= efficient. It'll be too late by the time he gets it to his "cozy, furnishe= d and convenient little basement apartment" that he'll be stuck with it. He= can't afford to buy a new one now, anyway. The smell will go away - eventu= ally.=0A=0AYes, I am evil!=0A=0AKathy=0A~who's ex thinks my making comments= in an email about cold beds is funny. He didn't see my face when I wrote i= t~=0A=0AErmine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder wit= h a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert=0A(Fieldless) On a rose= Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. =0AIt=92s never too late to be w= ho you might have been.=0A-George Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Ques= tioning is the beginning of knowledge. =0AWho you are is contained inside, = and no one can change that. They can only assist you in denying who you are= , but not indelibly reshape you to their own image.=0A=0A=0A=0A Get a = sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: = http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca=0A___________________________= ____________________=0Ah-costume mailing list=0Ah-costume@mail.indra.com=0A= http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume=0A=0A=0A Ask a questi= on on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and = share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 19 22:27:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K2Rj4e020752 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:27:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8K2Rlgh011022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:27:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8K2RINB089130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:27:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K2RH4h082655; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63506.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63506.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8K2RDb2082530 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sadisticschoolmistress@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 85608 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Sep 2007 02:27:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=y1kxpFpmeUjJmPDlWOgy+09piW2MkB9fq0pOKFseslOWwjyggxgox6OmXduU2iWr6J1j2dU00bqferZnosUfiS6MBGrsB+dE7q96FaBR1Y3g4xNfzYx7z5sEViPmQFO0HcVHLdj6NdAT0e0Zn2ptrn4QcPJkKK+q0CpYjkMd7qI=; X-YMail-OSG: VoPusH4VM1nng8PQg0TbeGVxzfshop0aS6npNHkTJyolhsGI6Fe3Q0hDzd6eDIYpxwmrnhI.aBTVSUCW0KKp1THT_xAamnT98OVj Received: from [216.39.52.160] by web63506.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:27:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Sheridan Alder To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <76583.82780.qm@web63506.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Good late 1820's patterns -an anyone recommend ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92f66fa7-29e2-42ef-bc32-b2b01c112022 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F1DAA3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail a= t http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 00:00:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K40HIo023336 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8K40JTL008828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8K3tGE9096744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K3tCDK043585; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outP.internet-mail-service.net (outP.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K3t9CR043549 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:55:08 -0700 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id C595E1263F2; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:55:07 -0700 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume brag books online Message-ID: <20070920035507.GA45349@idiom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6142cac1-a3b9-4ae8-973f-c7745852ebe4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F1F053.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 11 Sep 2007, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > I suppose the gallery section of my website would count as one (brag book > that is). Likewise, the closest I have is a couple of web pages: http://goblinrevolution.org/costumes/navy/ http://goblinrevolution.org/costumes/miles/vorkosigan_house/index.html Oh, and the one for the baby: http://goblinrevolution.org/costumes/miles/vorbaby/index.html -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 02:47:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K6lKOh014888 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:47:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8K6lLfw020599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:47:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8K6kLTK016597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K6kInd067985; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K6kErt067942 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:46:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AD7D378A3 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:46:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <46F18AAF.7010101@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cb4602d-623d-4850-8181-c6f889d758b9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F21779.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you. Don't have the book. Good to know about size as I was thinking of going up a size and making it a 2X. I know I will need to fit it and I have a short waist and it being for men will probably be for long waist. I came across this regency shirt that I may use for a wee bit of adaptation. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_405.htm I was thinking of removing the extra piece on the sleeve and putting a "real" gusset in as I tend to have problems with built in gussets. Found out that I need to go to JoAnn's to get more of the linen/rayon material as I am shy of 1yd. I have been looking at coats like these to get rough ideas to make it look different. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_251.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Troost_Music_lover.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bowdoin.jpg The material is gold striped brocade and the lining is a polished cotton rust which will also be used for the pants. I have two coordinating brocades that I plan to make the long and the short vest. I purchased at the NASCFI con a brown felted hat that I need to trim and edge, then tack the brim into place. Once I complete the above I have two outfits based off of Simplicity #3677 http://tinyurl.com/ysalao CFG, both fantasy, one forest fairy, the other space pirate. The latter will be a slight pain as the shirt will be of a light weight sheer material that likes to rave. :P Again, that you for your site. De -----Original Message----- If you have _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ there's a lot of very useful diagrams there. What I found last year, doing the exact same thing is that (in addition to the faux pockets) the coat runs large (too long and too wide in back both), and there isn't nearly enough fabric in the skirts. And it needs lining. The waistcoat was ok out of the package. The shirt was ok except for the underarms where they attached a gusset piece. It fits fine, I made mine as-is, but historically it would have been a gusset. The front opening is really deep. Check it before you cut it. Mine almost ended up at my navel. If you don't want to look like every other member of the Simplicity Pirate Fleet (and there's a lot of them out there) may I suggest you change the shape of the pocket flaps and cuffs. My project diary: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/17thcentury.htm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 06:40:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KAe4td020120 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:40:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8KAe6RR010619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:40:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KAcpWG051107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KAclpn059329; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8K7MuUE096814 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:22:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1550.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.17]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1DE3196BA for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:22:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46F22055.6000408@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:25:09 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric stores near Luray Virginia References: <46ECDAEF.8040507@kabelfoon.nl> <000301c7f83d$bcd9c3b0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <000301c7f83d$bcd9c3b0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 1f6cd1d7-2fa4-4735-898f-e0f0638512eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F24E06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Thanx for the information! I send it to her and I can't wait to hear her story's from her vakation there. Greetings, Deredere Penny Ladnier wrote: > Deredere, > > There are lots of nice old Victorian/Edwardian homes in the small > towns in VA. I love driving through the small towns and would love to > live in one of these towns one day. I haven't been to Luray in > years. At that time it wasn't a very large town. Harrisonburg is a > mecca of antique stores. I can't recall the name of the highway that > goes through Harrisburg but I have never seen so many antique stores > as there are on it. This highway was featured on HGTV one year for > its large amount antique stores. I don't know if it is apple season > by the 25th but if it is, make sure your friend brings you some. We > do the orchards closer to Charlottesville in the Blue Ridge. I know > next weekend in Richmond starts the German fests and they go on for a > month. > > Another must see at Luray Caverns is to see the natural wedding > chapel. I would love to be there when an actual wedding is talking > place. Your friend might want to check the VA Tourist Dept. This > time of year, so many events are occurring every weekend. > > My son's family goes to Luray and camps around this time of year. I > will ask them about the sites and stores in the area. > > If your friend goes into the DC metro, G Street fabrics is always a must! > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 07:53:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KBrqXq022070 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:53:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8KBrsxp025169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:53:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KBqWcp064220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KBqTA3028746; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8KBqPqs028538 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 82272 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 11:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.162.87 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 11:52:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Qq.TKiEVM1mRJ.kaIEgKpfIXlv0xRSWVO1dTOKppZ4xGAb85yAVqCQ0ZWi_bWki8ZtK_Xqvu56OnxRF8dxi8_34ebcPhXX.StMDJFPifHc21vQCFxgWh Message-ID: <019001c7fb7c$b3145880$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: Source for Busk Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:52:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f115e295-eb87-455d-be76-7b20bb112ef0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F25F52.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My favorite quickie busk is to use a plain old paint stick from Sherwin Williams! I shorten it as needed, round the bottom edge and Voila! The wood is usually hard wood with some "bendability" for comfort when in use. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] re: Source for Busk > >I am in search of a 15 inch wooden busk. Anyone know where I >>might find such a thing? > A friend & I made mine in about 1 evening with a bandsaw & belt sander. > http://cinbarnes.googlepages.com/1600eleanorherbert I didnt see any > any other sources, really. If you want it carved, like most of the > extant 17th & 18c busks, it might take you longer. > The best costumes require the use of powertools. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 09:14:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KDEnV4024234 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:14:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8KDEoHe014340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KDDX5C083381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:13:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KDDUJb016184; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KDDRdR016024 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W21 ([65.55.133.56]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:13:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.188.165] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] wool for fulling Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:13:21 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200709170458.l8H4wMLZ090418@net.indra.com> References: <200709150356.l8F3ts32079258@net.indra.com> <20070915172232.LXFU24166.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> <200709170458.l8H4wMLZ090418@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2007 13:13:22.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[0528C330:01C7FB88] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f315799-aa11-4de7-880d-3d5e4d19e247 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F2724A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > >Is there a quick and easy way to know whether a wool fabric is a > >go= od candidate for fulling? My experiments so far have had wildly > >differen= t results (the one which I bought marked 100% wool -a > >suiting- shrank al= most not at all), the other was a blanket from > >Value Village (which I di= d the burn test on the sly in the store) > >shrank about the equivalent of = my knitting with a worsted > >yarn. Thanks for any input.> >> >Laurie> > Wo= rsted wool suiting is unlikely to full very much, if at all; it's > general= ly a smooth, firmly woven, somewhat shiny fabric made of > worsted-spun woo= l. If something is fairly fluffy (meaning it's made > of a woolen-spun yarn= ) and not firmly woven, like the blanket, it > will probably full to some e= xtent (sometimes to a great extent).> > Worsted and woolen are technical te= rms in spinning that define the > way the wool is prepared and spun (the us= e of "worsted" as a size of > yarn is a modern misnomer). Worsted yarns are= very firm and smooth, > with uniform wool fiber lengths and little air inc= orporated into the > thread; the wool fibers are prepared by combing. Woole= n yarns are > more open and airy than worsted, and have a mix of wool fiber= > lengths; the wool fibers are prepared by carding.> > > Joan Jurancich> j= oanmj@surewest.net >=20 Thank you, Joan. "Fairly fluffy" it is then. :) =20 Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words?=A0 Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=3Dseek_wlmailtextlink= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 10:01:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KE1Z4x025660 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:01:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8KE1bSn003607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:01:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KE0aW7094042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:00:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KE0UeH067885; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KE0721067299 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so566515rvf for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sAz1XMTaBW1BscPSXdX0GWVkf9SL9A+YvWg0IjhaS0w=; b=HtS+mTxNZCxKx5IGZBJYjznGBWoiAdegt/aRo5B2FWDPKtaV/W9jDOiMMQiSQN3KuMCHu9hxqBF+6pMV24XQX9mqwZr9OmeJuiXOh5b+6DxtD6u+4rM20fns2dGA+KDxFn9vWn11ekv+dvEyCPHirIoV1n5l1MmWmvyTFXhhjWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p6NjXoTpqSSfgmy5df9bNCODuEnMOICjaFpknYhaT8n+Fnxhe+eCiw54rWOFOHKGbrv4qbF4GY6YRa7kT8a47jKA1JriU7rhGiOar1fEeSasFEt7rzIELSWjjgx4+QTM7CblInvlcs6KUGxE/rkQClFKfjq377e62sOiIxKAjSQ= Received: by 10.141.48.10 with SMTP id a10mr484446rvk.1190296800231; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.76.7 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590709200700s68d1fc47x792f2f0da3c290f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:00:00 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <870801590709190712p16cc5ddaqd51b82689f0dae75@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ca1bacb-4e40-439f-a526-7500488835a2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F27D41.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO So is there somewhere I can get a look at this article without buying the book? With a cut of hours, my budget has gotten really tight, and I don't know how long it's going to last... I was hoping I could make a jacket from some white, monochrome embroidered silk I already have in my stash. I'm already making most of the other elements from other sources, but I wanted to do a painting posed like this one, to contrast the formal portrait I also will be doing. It's all part of a display to show the pieces and parts of the ensemble in use, while allowing judges and other interested parties to look over and inside the clothing and other items. thanks alex On 9/19/07, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Alex wrote: > > > http://www.boughtonhouse.org.uk/htm/gallery2/paintings/countessofsoton.htm > > This is not my own area so I won't try to answer, but I do want to note that Danielle Nunn-Weinberg, who is sometimes on this list, did a detailed study of these jackets, including a point-by-point analysis of the Vernon portrait, in volume 2 of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. The article is called "The Matron Goes to the Masque: The Dual Identity of the English Embroidered Jacket." I would strongly suggest you read this before you try to re-create anything from this portrait, because it's chock-full of theatrical and symbolic elements. > (SNIPPED) > Danielle examined about 100 portraits showing jackets and seven extant jackets. 10 of the portraits were painted before 1600. She doesn't have a lot of detail about them, but I think it's worth reading the article to get a sense of their line of development. > > Danielle may have more to say if she's reading this. > > --Robin > > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 10:24:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KEOLL7026286 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:24:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8KEONdC007290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:24:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KENsRn099197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:23:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KENm37095359; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KENgOO095189 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.48439901; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:23:15 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l8KENED22102.; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:23:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:23:14 +0100 Message-Id: <46F2905202000014000DA5B7@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:22:58 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Elizabethan Dressing Jackets References: <200709201400.l8KE0OnM067738@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200709201400.l8KE0OnM067738@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 855e99eb-ade1-4402-9e4a-8cdc6cc1b3aa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F28297.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 13:48:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KHm64V031953 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:48:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8KHm87C001497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:48:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KEL0YF098226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KEKsL7091037; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KEKoxn090853 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:20:37 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l8KEKbr33339 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:20:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 20 Sep 2007 09:20:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:20:37 -0500 References: <200709201400.l8KE0OnJ067738@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: <46F23B5B.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200709201400.l8KE0OnJ067738@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fc48150-2995-4ba2-a5b3-0b5b2e29885e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F2B258.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 14:51:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KIpMr6002776 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:51:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8KIpOrs002388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:51:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KInIdc057526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KIn9BJ044730; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KF74Uw049589 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W1 ([65.55.136.36]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:06:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.8.89.131] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost]Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:06:55 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <46F2905202000014000DA5B7@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> References: <200709201400.l8KE0OnM067738@net.indra.com> <46F2905202000014000DA5B7@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2007 15:06:55.0977 (UTC) FILETIME=[E25DA590:01C7FB97] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1128c335-9c92-44a7-9896-17e03d15e3df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F2C12C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 15:11:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KJBcrp003138 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:11:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8KJBd7g021909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:11:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8KJA7dN061254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KJA3XX069729; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8KJ9tWF069508 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W37 ([65.55.136.72]) by bay0-omc2-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [75.8.89.131] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles (The Journal) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:09:50 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20070920122710.l0luhybmogcc44so@www.goldsword.com> References: <870801590709190712p16cc5ddaqd51b82689f0dae75@mail.gmail.com> <870801590709200700s68d1fc47x792f2f0da3c290f9@mail.gmail.com> <20070920122710.l0luhybmogcc44so@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2007 19:09:50.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[D15D9080:01C7FBB9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0549f7b3-44b9-4275-8445-7f9a5db81366 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F2C5EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Not online that I know of, but if your library needs the page numbers, I'll= be happy to send you (or anyone else who needs it) a copy of the Contents = pages from the three published volumes. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf= =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 20 22:30:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8L2UHEm010674 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:30:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8L2UIZf031259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:30:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8L2TD0c035334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8L2T7rT045225; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8L2SxGw044932 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.3.237] Received: from [75.46.3.237] (adsl-75-46-3-237.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.3.237]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8L2SWYG027471 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:28:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070920035507.GA45349@idiom.com> References: <20070920035507.GA45349@idiom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3284C30E-4A40-495C-869B-072A880473C9@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume brag books online Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:28:54 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27fd7328-8e94-4e88-bb20-848f95d84a9b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F32CBB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 19, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Chris Bertani wrote: > > Likewise, the closest I have is a couple of web pages: > > http://goblinrevolution.org/costumes/navy/ That jacket is fantastic! Lovely work. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 14:19:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LIJI1T016072 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:19:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LIJKvU001975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:19:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LIIBva090733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:18:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LII2lM067515; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LIHtdL067313 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:17:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so790777nfd for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:17:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=cbCbRItqYM42MYLU1iR7Pnxm/sCfA2KH+DCmeLT58J4=; b=WrENDpZQ1kDdfDHk/rnCuta8vTkvJ2acpnB4rOYf2GVRi5ivIYlpFkAhbFGidn0JBqjhPnyPUQ718BZVteUD5wKcTPDc46gqsOfbfijm+4jYbPTnidg6FM0pEmPxWNQpncxBIThu3bBjy4dbAdhsJGTQ2uRUp0HeqUTv3i2pEtg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pAKLqGM7rEYx0ru748i8Dnzl+URtt6SvxJK7rRMoHwqroDF4BOeuV0REeNKnT+AuJupq7zLM8gQNdPlYdqsagTNnxIWDDLauLoni/iZz9L+c+kHoBzhBM4IBJdp2mwvN1StY6jJeBZyVP30+CgDzYbOXeYFoYOuvFbhirpO7W5g= Received: by 10.86.89.4 with SMTP id m4mr2474080fgb.1190398670083; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.77.11 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:17:50 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbf638b7-74be-4682-ba7a-8e2739b57713 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F40B28.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >I know you are not necessarily looking for info on the embroidery >jackets Alex but, just in case anyone has missed this, the Plimoth >Plantation has a project on to recreated an embroidered jacket. The >Wardrobe Manager is blogging about the project here: >http://plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/index.php?mode=viewid&post_id=8 Catherine, What a great blog! Stuffed full of cool info & delicious detail pics. (Like spangles & silver wrapped silk threads.) Thanks so much for the pointer. A fair warning to others, tho', it isnt Elizabethan. The jacket in the portrait that they're copying is c 1614-18. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 15:30:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LJUM0s017390 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:30:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LJUOQW008445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:30:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LJT1mj004040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LJSxZv059288; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:29:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LJSp5H059093 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 6F98A2E81BD for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:17:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 0290C2E8091 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:17:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11376 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:28:47 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:28:51 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Thread-Index: Acf8e8qo1kAfUnP9RLqYtBjuL2OtmwACNYIQ References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b9541c6-1dab-4310-a405-2d982ad7d3d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F41BD0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO These embroidered jackets aren't exclusive to England--I've seen a couple of reproduced paintings(one in a book of Dutch cooking)showing a Dutch upper-class housewife also in the same style of jacket. Fashion in Detail, volume 1 has a couple of details in jackets done all in black thread. One is impressive in the detail, including shading in the embroidery work, but is literally disappearing as the black mordant in the dye has destroyed much of the threadwork. There is also a lady's smock all done in cross-stitch in original deep pink silks in simple, but effective motifs. It is still an amazing amount of work. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:18 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets >I know you are not necessarily looking for info on the embroidery=20 >jackets Alex but, just in case anyone has missed this, the Plimoth=20 >Plantation has a project on to recreated an embroidered jacket. The=20 >Wardrobe Manager is blogging about the project here: >http://plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/index.php?mode=3Dviewid&post_id=3D8 Catherine, What a great blog! Stuffed full of cool info & delicious detail pics. (Like spangles & silver wrapped silk threads.) Thanks so much for the pointer. A fair warning to others, tho', it isnt Elizabethan. The jacket in the portrait that they're copying is c 1614-18. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 15:30:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LJUUHM017406 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:30:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LJUWrx006263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:30:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LJRiYN003894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LJRZmN057266; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8LJRFGR056646 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 46057 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 19:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.162.87 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 19:27:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8dXWQ_4VM1ldORkGl4ei42YcQkQ5pl7zTH8OdgjsRjQcn1wk Message-ID: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:27:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1824beeb-ecea-4276-8966-befb923a276e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F41BD8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am continuing my retirement by creating historical costumes in minature for a standing line of willing, naked dolls. Queen Maude (of Norway circa1906-1938) can bee seen in Doll Craft/Costuming, issue for November 2007, along with Queen MarieAntoinette. Have also been having a wonderful time recreating for Maude from the new Poiret catalogue from the Met. (Also the "Wardrobe of Queen Maude of Norway") The latest project is trying to evoke the Holbein portrait of Elizabeth I,( Kestner Gibson Girl Repro). All goes well; have been leaning heavily on Hunnisett for the gown;(magically, the patterns of her books are just the size for the doll, so I only need to calculate skirt yardage.) But for the French hood...Would the veil on the back have been Black or would there have been another color suggested for a young girlof 13 yrs.? And, would this have been velvet as is suggested as the right fabric for the period? Next in line is Eleanor of Toledo. Got a marvelous fabric for the Branzino portrait on line last week. I will be using a lovely parian repro of the Grape Lady for that model. Her face and stance is so placid and partrician! Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 16:44:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LKiPtn018822 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:44:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LKiQXb022381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:44:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LKh8l3015206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:43:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LKh4tk053529; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LIu1e6015343 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AC510253F for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:55:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46F413CA.6070905@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:56:10 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: a5e4a910-fde2-4d60-8035-288590cb2f26 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F42D2B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A fair warning to others, tho', it isnt Elizabethan. The > jacket in the portrait that they're copying is c 1614-18. > However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I remember seeing it several times when I was a student there. Unfortunately, I have never found a picture of it, in any book or online, since. I wonder if it is even still on display, given that it was 20 years ago. It was exquisite, and so tiny, looked like it was made for a 12 year old girl. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 16:59:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LKxwIv019334 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:59:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LL002G002026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:00:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LKxESM018056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LKx9tD074359; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:59:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8LKwoaG073836 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:59:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69975 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2007 20:58:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sk2/cpWb/iI6HeZgHWi8TpLXCBFDaf/06WNudpbG9bOL4xDW7oiLKUd4nxqWwM2ZFRbIU/ayfYILKQ28J1s/kjR8CK/fo7NEHCtMIqn6n95z+s0Ng2pgsS0DVK6R5ZWFQEKh2wqAk9D6ZJ+myjJRsX3JuArAiBR8FcSAQQ78YIk=; X-YMail-OSG: qOOhZvYVM1kfmWyr_HraD93Upz0HwEjdPU1FlMC0AzWDNqd_olrvbKOZrvqaKxXwtMkkrAwnSeuMAGOIMfiiI_cyuIM.pgDpieNqJpAM.CpiCHTiUnk- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:58:44 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <846370.69603.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7956fe0-6901-4e73-8766-e13664de5d14 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F430D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > But for the > French hood...Would the veil on the back have been > Black or would there have > been another color suggested for a young girlof 13 > yrs.? And, would this > have been velvet as is suggested as the right fabric > for the period? The veil is almost always black, unless it is a patterned bag instead of a veil. And while black velvet is an option, I've been using black taffeta, and for a doll taffeta or another black silk might drape better at a smaller size than even silk/rayon velvet. Here's an image with a patterned bag http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1520/YoungGirlAstrInst.html However, looking at the online detailed image of Elizabeth as Princess, I would have to say it is a black veil, as I can see a subtle difference in the dark colors where the veil would be. Have fun, and I hope you share photos of your work when you are done with Elizabeth! Kimiko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 17:02:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LL2GAJ019386 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:02:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LL2IGD003672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:02:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LL20XW018530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LL1vht077798; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LL1qvw077636 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:01:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1054678rvf for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LzBj3inp3qXuZYjgFRR9hFB9bQU4FncXxOpfA4fNZLI=; b=shTeWKQqzMoYQ7Lxcrjjw/OCtMVGIKH1d1mvFEhPC3FTCEKJ3n2Z/Vywct3ebVfKd+olR55BDunHxxymTcm/fo7ydB6xbw1Y91zOiFap1RTxYaNa/EIJVPGVlrMzFRghTQfb47ZZVgkxoPd75O4A6Kzs0bB4xL+c/dPOE3plnO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JjJcL7QiQUlWBq+30B8p5YfAOcLfHN9m1M2UKLJ/3qYadlhLKDH3gSgb8ocQnFf64tAqTGU2vkIMkuZ4Zjm2noMhghp4m0r71XvS7a4kBbMbXPc2yPgOyNnQvp6+D6ny9e7z5/ZkfERlJlYFWx/yWde+QpNzKSjGsERqQ6+H/Ac= Received: by 10.141.115.6 with SMTP id s6mr374384rvm.1190408509049; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.76.7 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590709211401w732da12bi373537633e2fc312@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:01:49 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets In-Reply-To: <46F413CA.6070905@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46F413CA.6070905@reddawn.net> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31a936cb-2a71-4968-9b53-0a69b4523a37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F4315A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Is that an embroidered jacket or one of the knit ones? The Boston MFA seems to have several in their collection. I'd love for this one you mention to have been an earlier version, perhaps something Elizabeth might have worn as a child or young princess, just so I can see if there was a progress in style or cut. (sigh) Wishful thinking, that's all alex On 9/21/07, Dawn wrote: > A fair warning to others, tho', it isnt Elizabethan. The > > jacket in the portrait that they're copying is c 1614-18. > > > > However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an > embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread > instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I > remember seeing it several times when I was a student there. > Unfortunately, I have never found a picture of it, in any book or > online, since. I wonder if it is even still on display, given that it > was 20 years ago. It was exquisite, and so tiny, looked like it was made > for a 12 year old girl. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 17:28:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LLS1q2019880 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:28:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LLS3ge018711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:28:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LLRA47022174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LLR84P007037; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LLR33N006814 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.241.246] Received: from [75.45.241.246] (adsl-75-45-241-246.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.241.246]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8LLQmSB012697 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:26:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> References: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F2A534C-B59F-4831-A05E-C063659F106D@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:26:58 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abc650d8-5a4b-4b6f-8672-68f28902c3ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F43763.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Definitely black. In looking at hundreds of portraits and text references from the 16th c., I came across only a very very few images and references to hoods of another color. The bags that Kimiko mentioned are only seen on portraits of girls, and generally in France. The young Elizabeth would have been wearing a black velvet or silk hood, possibly with sewn-down knife pleats down the back. The fall of the hood should be flat, narrow (the width of the head), and rounded at the bottom. Many theatrical patterns have a flared veil in the back in the shape of a half-circle or similar, but there is no evidence for this shape that I've found. As Kimiko suggests, velvet may not work well in doll scale, so a nice silk or silk-like fabric (like taffeta) might serve you better. Melanie Schuessler On Sep 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > I am continuing my retirement by creating historical costumes in > minature for a standing line of willing, naked dolls. Queen Maude > (of Norway circa1906-1938) can bee seen in Doll Craft/Costuming, > issue for November 2007, along with Queen MarieAntoinette. Have > also been having a wonderful time recreating for Maude from the new > Poiret catalogue from the Met. (Also the "Wardrobe of Queen Maude > of Norway") > > The latest project is trying to evoke the Holbein portrait of > Elizabeth I,( Kestner Gibson Girl Repro). All goes well; have been > leaning heavily on Hunnisett for the gown;(magically, the patterns > of her books are just the size for the doll, so I only need to > calculate skirt yardage.) But for the French hood...Would the veil > on the back have been Black or would there have been another color > suggested for a young girlof 13 yrs.? And, would this have been > velvet as is suggested as the right fabric for the period? > > Next in line is Eleanor of Toledo. Got a marvelous fabric for the > Branzino portrait on line last week. I will be using a lovely > parian repro of the Grape Lady for that model. Her face and stance > is so placid and partrician! > > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 18:06:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LM6KgE020674 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:06:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LM6LNg029491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:06:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LM56KR027946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LM53WM051299; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:05:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LM4vS2051179 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:05:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A315E2E8151 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:53:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 2D5992E8091 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:53:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16533 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:04:56 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:05:01 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I Thread-Index: Acf8hdcyfw4SYqwgRwuysZDyTbl0kgAEftSQ References: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7531d735-8bb4-4193-8979-f398e421258b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F4405D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Definitely black for the veil of the hood. The much praised Tudor Costuming book has scale patterns for several versions of the French hood that will have to be sized up for your doll, probably, although the patterns should be fairly close if the bodice patterns in Hunnisett are the correct size for your doll. I'm thinking of a 16th-early 17th century costume for a 12" tall girl doll, Agnes Dreary, from the Tonner Company, that hopefully will arrive within the month. I see lots of narrow wire and persnickedy pattern pieces in my future Even silk velvet will probably not drape properly for a French Hood, but I haven't tried draping it on the bias yet on a similar doll(same body, but different head). Black silk might be better I think on a doll as long as the silk is opaque and not sheer. Silk velvet could also pull back more than a lighter weight. You might want to tack and drape different black fabrics before committing to the final fabric(I made a porcelain doll about seven years ago and used a very incorrect black lace on this 25" lady as silk dupioni kept pulling the top of the hood back and down. I had wired the shape, had three layers of fabric(two layers of calico + top fabric)and flat backed carbochon "gems" and "pearls" fused to the gold braid that stood in for the metal worked frame of the real French Hoods. (Should have bought the whole reel of it at the time as it appeared more metal than braid on a doll, especially). I had to make up the whole pattern and it looked much better than the "Marie Stuart" hood pattern I'd bought for a similar sized doll, once done, but I wish now I'd had "Tudor Costuming" then. There used to be fabrics that could pass for Tudor and Rennaissance era fabrics in stores like JoAnns and Hancock Fabrics for people, but dolls below a certain size are almost impossible to shop for unless you are willing to embellish a base natural fiber fabric, like silk or wool, that are now very hard to find without spandex, nylon or a metallic that throws the authenticity off badly. Good luck on your project! Cindy Abel Thanks for the heads up on the Queen Maude doll you dressed--I might be able to still get a Nov issue from the only bookstore in Omaha that still carries it.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LLOYD MITCHELL Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:27 PM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I I am continuing my retirement by creating historical costumes in minature for a standing line of willing, naked dolls. Queen Maude (of Norway circa1906-1938) can bee seen in Doll Craft/Costuming, issue for November 2007, along with Queen MarieAntoinette. Have also been having a wonderful time recreating for Maude from the new Poiret catalogue from the Met. (Also the "Wardrobe of Queen Maude of Norway") The latest project is trying to evoke the Holbein portrait of Elizabeth I,( Kestner Gibson Girl Repro). All goes well; have been leaning heavily on Hunnisett for the gown;(magically, the patterns of her books are just the size for the doll, so I only need to calculate skirt yardage.) But for the French hood...Would the veil on the back have been Black or would there have been another color suggested for a young girlof 13 yrs.? And, would this have been velvet as is suggested as the right fabric for the period? Next in line is Eleanor of Toledo. Got a marvelous fabric for the Branzino portrait on line last week. I will be using a lovely parian repro of the Grape Lady for that model. Her face and stance is so placid and partrician! Kathleen=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 18:28:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LMSpMP020959 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:28:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8LMSrK2023038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8LMSMJ8031414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LMSIjV077252; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:28:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8LMSEll077068 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3EA1025C4 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:28:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46F4458B.3030006@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:28:27 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets References: <46F413CA.6070905@reddawn.net> <870801590709211401w732da12bi373537633e2fc312@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <870801590709211401w732da12bi373537633e2fc312@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bde786fa-e2c4-475f-b6c7-fd59455606b9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F445A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Alexandria Doyle wrote: > Is that an embroidered jacket or one of the knit ones? The Boston MFA > seems to have several in their collection. > > I'd love for this one you mention to have been an earlier version, > perhaps something Elizabeth might have worn as a child or young > princess, just so I can see if there was a progress in style or cut. > > (sigh) Wishful thinking, that's all I remember it being white linen, woven and not knit. It was a late 1500's style, I don't remember too much else about it, other than all the metallic embroidery. There may have been metal lace. I've been searching the MFA website, but have not found it in the online collection yet. I'm surprised Janet Arnold didn't find it when doing her book on Elizabeth's clothing. Dawn > alex > > > On 9/21/07, Dawn wrote: >> A fair warning to others, tho', it isnt Elizabethan. The >>> jacket in the portrait that they're copying is c 1614-18. >>> >> However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an >> embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread >> instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I >> remember seeing it several times when I was a student there. >> Unfortunately, I have never found a picture of it, in any book or >> online, since. I wonder if it is even still on display, given that it >> was 20 years ago. It was exquisite, and so tiny, looked like it was made >> for a 12 year old girl. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 20:07:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M07sYb022953 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:07:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8M07uEx030339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8M06qbF043938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M06nhr072396; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M06lRf072289 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1102032rvf for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:06:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=p+LtSS310XWwgusmo50f/5qs8YC9tbvK6QOlrYiFm2M=; b=o8Icwpi+E76lFDDKuFXSPPyljW6seaLAdI+mqZkOPeFxNkaRWM+3wJqvYS/XUVBBfD4hlTQDPXaMlXSKtc6tSyMwxhnsQo8+EIChqV3Ta0Rmevnx1SE7yeSvxYIJbapWX+T4+p9tuWanBTwEvIcAXKT1eARMoaidW10sto6ccQ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eWpyuuT6nr9JO8IVTq2lqVm4zMhayrZ2hc1W3vNvkmgfoW59cG4pygRBR74t9vTWMHzA5iYSGr4SDqACEX5DUdTQfOy2ld4nl2crCw5ZN9mQ/GBeY1QteXom5bWnRBPwZiH0Js7+S+gQ8PEN1sc4PWhFsGgrTWVqrFNB0bkaR+A= Received: by 10.140.169.4 with SMTP id r4mr918291rve.1190419604232; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.76.7 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590709211706h1693e9e4j989cb7e3356d74fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:06:44 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43a89bc6-a57a-4270-a195-3d117768f546 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F45CDC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've been working on historical type dolls for a couple of years now, and I found the best place to get quality fabric for their gowns has been the local thrift store. A blouse of silk, a skirt of wool, sometimes for as little as a dollar, with just enough fabric to make the doll clothes, a good deal. Sometimes the silk is too light weight, so I've lined it typically with linen to give the hand the gowns need without being too much. alex > There used to be fabrics that could pass for Tudor and Rennaissance era > fabrics in stores like JoAnns and Hancock Fabrics for people, but dolls > below a certain size are almost impossible to shop for unless you are > willing to embellish a base natural fiber fabric, like silk or wool, > that are now very hard to find without spandex, nylon or a metallic that > throws the authenticity off badly. > > Good luck on your project! > > Cindy Abel -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 21 21:04:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M14udF024444 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:04:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8M14wSC020337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:05:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8M14Qiw049958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M14OWW016644; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8M14HQW016496 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:04:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52604 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 21:42:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eedXZLiyLZJSd5788MIB0REBiNQI7OoQeE8k8e2pILKKg7pNExYe2OEOxwLHfWSNcVe/V5el65L8vjwvflV6SN6fR8ykvEKquZBMqk0Wy83v5pOkMVPvT/a07X/k7JjAuC+KZk83nPUkRYZgc1pRiAX2inAH/FMRAL/W8Jt5s3w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?217.134.68.250?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What you do sometimes get with very young girls is just the hood with no fall at the back. It starts with hennins, where there are a few small girls wearing the dark front piece and no steeple. It certainly carries on to English hoods, not sure of sources for French. All my books are in boxes just now! Jean Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Definitely black. In looking at hundreds of portraits and text > references from the 16th c., I came across only a very very few images > and references to hoods of another color. The bags that Kimiko > mentioned are only seen on portraits of girls, and generally in > France. The young Elizabeth would have been wearing a black velvet or > silk hood, possibly with sewn-down knife pleats down the back. The > fall of the hood should be flat, narrow (the width of the head), and > rounded at the bottom. Many theatrical patterns have a flared veil in > the back in the shape of a half-circle or similar, but there is no > evidence for this shape that I've found. > > As Kimiko suggests, velvet may not work well in doll scale, so a nice > silk or silk-like fabric (like taffeta) might serve you better. > > Melanie Schuessler > > > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > >> I am continuing my retirement by creating historical costumes in >> minature for a standing line of willing, naked dolls. Queen Maude >> (of Norway circa1906-1938) can bee seen in Doll Craft/Costuming, >> issue for November 2007, along with Queen MarieAntoinette. Have >> also been having a wonderful time recreating for Maude from the new >> Poiret catalogue from the Met. (Also the "Wardrobe of Queen Maude of >> Norway") >> >> The latest project is trying to evoke the Holbein portrait of >> Elizabeth I,( Kestner Gibson Girl Repro). All goes well; have been >> leaning heavily on Hunnisett for the gown;(magically, the patterns of >> her books are just the size for the doll, so I only need to calculate >> skirt yardage.) But for the French hood...Would the veil on the back >> have been Black or would there have been another color suggested for >> a young girlof 13 yrs.? And, would this have been velvet as is >> suggested as the right fabric for the period? >> >> Next in line is Eleanor of Toledo. Got a marvelous fabric for the >> Branzino portrait on line last week. I will be using a lovely parian >> repro of the Grape Lady for that model. Her face and stance is so >> placid and partrician! >> >> Kathleen >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 02:23:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M6N2IA007254 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:23:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8M6N4XR009683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8M6LsaE079436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M6LmUK053844; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M6LjHS053795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eva.andersson@comhem.se) Received: from c83-248-232-221.bredband.comhem.se ([83.248.232.221]:1775 helo=dator1) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IYyN6-0001Xb-7e for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:21:44 +0200 From: "Eva Andersson" To: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:23:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000301c7fce1$1117c4c0$6501a8c0@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200709220105.l8M14tv0017017@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Originating-IP: 83.248.232.221 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IYyN6-0001Xb-7e. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1IYyN6-0001Xb-7e e23afeddd0348d36739e4f25d8542f13 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c89a8ba1-0d20-4c7d-84ca-317c2824736b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F4B4C8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an >embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread >instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I >remember seeing it several times when I was a student there. >Unfortunately, I have never found a picture of it, in any book or >online, since. I wonder if it is even still on display, given that it >was 20 years ago. It was exquisite, and so tiny, looked like it was made >for a 12 year old girl. >Dawn I'm quite positive that one is shown in Blanche Payne's: "History of Costume" from 1965. Including a pattern diagram. But I may be remembering totally wrong of course. /Eva _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 04:42:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M8gQCB032761 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:42:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8M8gSUp009825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:42:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8M8dZMs092247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8M8dS9F055823; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:39:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23106.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23106.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8M8dOiK055693 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:39:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 31042 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2007 08:39:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jUfUgwe4yZ8RQC+AOWPXjLaXIj8L7ZWlAp3CwFN/UjaU1KxemuluDTNYpblzcyoSJJ8rKXeWbx67xy/WtvgKwxpNBBtzpXnXcb+/0l8u5cN3oTcRf/a69r2O+zmzeygl2LuEbuCXuqJvkUZ0sLOYlXUJvjtmjasu2s8bNB8bWmQ=; X-YMail-OSG: qhBU_gUVM1nMcARCy5P4oRm5d0Vk5yCv0QMjs3kWmuThRzZeCo.UotBlXBS3Tv9O4y0YKk2MrA-- Received: from [87.244.70.210] by web23106.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:39:18 BST Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:39:18 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bayreuth event 2007 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <018f01c7f920$94472a30$cb43a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <699569.28581.qm@web23106.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b97515c-a137-4ce3-bfe4-ebfcf68b231b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F4D574.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Bjarne, Sally and I have just had the time to go through the pictures of the Bayreuth Event you were lucky enough to be able to attend. [You do recall making the embroidered red-satin belt pouch for her, with the 3 silver lions rampant? When she wears it at SCA events in the UK, it always attracts attention from ladies.] What a wonderful weekend iBayreuth must have been! And how marvellous that it could be held on such a wonderful Site! The clothing looks incredible - and you must all have had the wonderful "I've slipped back in Time" feeling for most of the weekend, too. Your silver suit looks so "right" - like original clothing miraculously preserved in a Museum and loaned-out just for the weekend - I can't praise the "look" highly enough. Pictures such as these could probably inspire my wife and I to think about "changing Period" to the 18th C. - if there was an 18th C Re-enactment Group anywhere close to us. Alas, Jersey is such a small island; and the travel costs are so high----! We do have one 18th C group in Jersey - the "Royal Militia of The Island of Jersey" - inspired by the 1781 unsuccessful invasion by French mercenaries - but they mainly concentrate on the military aspects of things, and I've only seen a few ladies involved, dressed as soldiers' wives and camp-followers; - which hardly gives an incentive for re-creating "high-Society" 18th C. dress. Our 25yr-old grand-daughter fell in love with 18thC Costume through seeing the Cinderella Movie - and I have sent her the URL of the Bayreuth event pictures so that she can see those "mouth-watering clothes" and be inspired by them as well. Best wishes - Julian Wilson. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 09:14:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MDEafT026819 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:14:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MDEcBn021216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:14:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MDDSBT037404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:13:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MDDOqJ000234; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MDC1W3098020 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:12:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.225.11] Received: from [75.45.225.11] (adsl-75-45-225-11.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.225.11]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8MDBWt8028435 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:11:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46F4458B.3030006@reddawn.net> References: <46F413CA.6070905@reddawn.net> <870801590709211401w732da12bi373537633e2fc312@mail.gmail.com> <46F4458B.3030006@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F672480-FD7A-4973-A338-A176EA43DA26@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:11:55 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57aa0102-2dfa-4858-b44e-9dac3305f3ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F5153E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There's a black and white picture of this in George Wingfield Digby's _Elizabethan Embroidery_. It's plate 22B. "The jacket or doublet illustrated on Pl. 22B was given to the Boston Museum of Fine Arts by Elizabeth Day McCormick. It comes from Kimberley in Norfolk where Queen Elizabeth stayed in August 1578 with Sir Roger Woodhouse (who was knighted at the time) on her way from Blickling to Cambridge. ... It is embroidered in gold and silver with spangles and is trimmed with gold lace. The design of daffodils is very unusual and it is in brilliant condition. Remodelled in James I's reign, it has recently been restored to original form." (p. 84) If the picture shown in this book was taken after it was restored to its original form, I'm very dubious that it's as early as 1578. It looks very like all the other 1605+ jackets with the little hip godets, etc. Plate 22A is also purportedly associated with Queen Elizabeth, though the styling is a bit odd. It's a cloth-of-silver bodice with relatively narrow sleeves and a V in the neckline. "Pl. 22A shows the famous Devereux heirloom belonging to Viscount Hereford. This bodice with sleeves is extremely richly embroidered on a silver ground, the floral pattern being entirely worked in gold and silver thread and silks, mostly in tent, gobelin, dot, buttonhole, and detached buttonhole stitches. It is the kind of embroidery which was used for the finest of the sweet bags, as we have already seen, and as a garment to wear, this bodice seems almost unbelievably ornate. The design is made up of roses, peascods (showing their seeds), forget-me-nots, tulips, cornflowers, columbine, iris, and pansy, the flowers all intermingled with snakes, birds, caterpillars and butterflies. The floral tendrils are worked as gold chains in chain stitch with a certain amount of gold bullion and gold wire. Tradition relates that when the Earl of Essex was in the Tower awaiting execution this bodice was sent by his mother, the Countess of Leicester, to the Queen." (p. 83) Melanie Schuessler On Sep 21, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Dawn wrote: > Alexandria Doyle wrote: >> Is that an embroidered jacket or one of the knit ones? The Boston >> MFA >> seems to have several in their collection. >> I'd love for this one you mention to have been an earlier version, >> perhaps something Elizabeth might have worn as a child or young >> princess, just so I can see if there was a progress in style or cut. >> (sigh) Wishful thinking, that's all > > I remember it being white linen, woven and not knit. It was a late > 1500's style, I don't remember too much else about it, other than > all the metallic embroidery. There may have been metal lace. I've > been searching the MFA website, but have not found it in the online > collection yet. > > I'm surprised Janet Arnold didn't find it when doing her book on > Elizabeth's clothing. > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 09:16:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MDG9w8026857 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:16:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MDG9MG020932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:16:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MDFcEl037748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MDFccn002369; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi185.prodigy.net (flpi185.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MDFZgv002250 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.225.11] Received: from [75.45.225.11] (adsl-75-45-225-11.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.225.11]) by flpi185.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8MDFeWh001471 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:15:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000301c7fce1$1117c4c0$6501a8c0@dator1> References: <000301c7fce1$1117c4c0$6501a8c0@dator1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:15:30 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2772ef63-267b-4612-9664-0947c3c3d044 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F51599.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Eva, You are correct! I didn't remember that one, but there it is. And a pattern as well with some interesting notes on construction. Good catch, Melanie On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:23 AM, Eva Andersson wrote: > > >> However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an >> embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread >> instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I >> remember seeing it several times when I was a student there. >> Unfortunately, I have never found a picture of it, in any book or >> online, since. I wonder if it is even still on display, given that it >> was 20 years ago. It was exquisite, and so tiny, looked like it >> was made >> for a 12 year old girl. > > > >> Dawn > > > > I'm quite positive that one is shown in Blanche Payne's: "History of > Costume" from 1965. Including a pattern diagram. > But I may be remembering totally wrong of course. > > /Eva > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 10:26:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MEQPeu028056 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:26:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MEQRC2013784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:26:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MEP6p2052136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MEP3kr071080; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MEP0Gm070938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39770) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IZ5ud-0005Zu-Uk; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:24:51 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:24:51 -0400 Message-ID: <20070922102451.722ip52mkg4c8o04@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:24:51 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets References: <000301c7fce1$1117c4c0$6501a8c0@dator1> In-Reply-To: <000301c7fce1$1117c4c0$6501a8c0@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc4ecd23-3a4b-47c5-ad0d-72bfdb8a2259 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F52613.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Eva Andersson : > Dawn said: >> However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an >> embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread >> instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I >> remember seeing it several times when I was a student there. >> Unfortunately, I have never found a picture of it, in any book or >> online, since. I wonder if it is even still on display, given that it >> was 20 years ago. It was exquisite, and so tiny, looked like it was made >> for a 12 year old girl. > > I'm quite positive that one is shown in Blanche Payne's: "History of > Costume" from 1965. Including a pattern diagram. > But I may be remembering totally wrong of course. > Blanche calls it a doublet. Pattern #4, page 543. Figure #334 -- =20 only shows the back. "Courtesy the "Elizabeth Day McCormick =20 Collection") -- no other accession/item number. Text: "The Boston Museum of Fine Arts is the proud possessor of the =20 golden doublet presented to Elizabeth about 1578 (Fig. 334 and Draft =20 4). The fabric of the doublet is fine, firm white linen, obviously =20 from the loom of a superior weaver. The surface is covered with gold =20 and silver embroidery in an endless scroll design enclosing a stylized =20 flower. The background is thiclky sewed with minute gold sequins. =20 Gold lace finishes the lower edge. The doublet is breathtaking in its =20 gleaming splendor and awe-inspiring in its historical implications. =20 Almost 400 years old, it is in near-perfect condition, a real =20 sixteenth-century masterpiece. Actual measurements of the doublet =20 indicate that the queen was a small person but her grand manner left =20 no such impression." (p. 315). Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 10:31:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MEVECi028143 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:31:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MEVG94030894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:31:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MEUwwV053104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:30:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MEUv6f076726; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MEUr8q076544 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Migrationbird@aol.com) Received: from Migrationbird@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ceb.1b97290a (39954) for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:30:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Migrationbird@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:30:44 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume 1820's pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 008a65a3-9e2c-4f58-a9a3-1c3b77efd45e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F52734.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 9/20/07 3:01:25 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Greetings everyone: > > Can anyone recommend a c. 1820's pattern? - quick delivery, fairly accurate, > instructions that are not to hard to follow, yadda, yadda. > > I usually draft my own patterns, but I'm tired of messing around and > tweaking designs. > > The usual story - last minute project idea, etc. > > Sheridan Alder > > Hi Sherian, Tough call. The 1820's seems to be in that metamorphosing era between one easily recognised silhouette and the next. A good pattern is Janet Arnolds Patterns of Fashion 1. Pelisse 1818-23 Gloucester Museum (Sigh. I know you don't want to be draughting up patterns. Just thought I'd point this out). NEXT . Try looking at La Mode Bagatelle Regency Wardrobe. This is not a cheap pattern but you do get the whole wardrobe. You will still need to do some tweaking. May be lower the waist a tad and perhaps put a little more gore in to the skirts. (Check out the Arnold to keep the proportions on bodice and skirt) Add extra petticoats with frills at the bottom to surgest the widening skirt. To review this pattern on line see http://www.songsmyth.com/patternsgowns.html There are a lot of other regency patterns at this site. Also take a look at http:www.gbacg.org/GreatPatternReview/LaModeBagatelle.htm To buy on line go to http://www.sewingcentral.com Click on patterns, then click on Regency, scroll down to La Mode Bagatelle. It is also available at http://www.com./clothier/bagatelle/regency.jsp Hope this helps. Regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 11:25:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MFP7i3028954 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:25:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MFP9UR016818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:25:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MFOcd5062387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:24:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MFOa74029425; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MFOWuj029287 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE736102830 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:24:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46F533C4.3050903@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:24:52 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets References: <000301c7fce1$1117c4c0$6501a8c0@dator1> <20070922102451.722ip52mkg4c8o04@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20070922102451.722ip52mkg4c8o04@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd418478-794e-4666-963c-14fb317c02d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F533D5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Susan Farmer wrote: > Quoting Eva Andersson : >> >> I'm quite positive that one is shown in Blanche Payne's: "History of >> Costume" from 1965. Including a pattern diagram. >> But I may be remembering totally wrong of course. >> > > Blanche calls it a doublet. Pattern #4, page 543. Figure #334 -- only > shows the back. "Courtesy the "Elizabeth Day McCormick Collection") -- > no other accession/item number. I finally found it on the web site: http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=true&id=116779&coll_keywords=woman%27s&coll_accession=&coll_name=&coll_artist=&coll_place=&coll_medium=&coll_culture=english&coll_classification=Costumes&coll_credit=&coll_provenance=&coll_location=&coll_has_images=&coll_on_view=&coll_sort=2&coll_sort_order=0&coll_view=0&coll_package=0&coll_start=51 Accession number: 43.243 Again they only show the back of it, and in this lighting you can't see how magnificently metallic it is. The museum now dates it to 1610-1615. I wonder if they disproved the connection to Elizabeth I, who died in 1603. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 12:08:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MG84vY029731 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:08:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MG80iq029926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MG6slr071693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MG6p8D074304; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:06:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MG6mrG074149 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JOS008XK231VUF0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:06:18 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets In-reply-to: <46F533C4.3050903@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a56fb7e-891b-4554-8625-3a0240b7f80c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F53DE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you for posting this! I have never seen this piece. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:25 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Susan Farmer wrote: > Quoting Eva Andersson : >> >> I'm quite positive that one is shown in Blanche Payne's: "History of >> Costume" from 1965. Including a pattern diagram. >> But I may be remembering totally wrong of course. >> > > Blanche calls it a doublet. Pattern #4, page 543. Figure #334 -- only > shows the back. "Courtesy the "Elizabeth Day McCormick Collection") -- > no other accession/item number. I finally found it on the web site: http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=true&id=116779&coll_ke ywords=woman%27s&coll_accession=&coll_name=&coll_artist=&coll_place=&coll_me dium=&coll_culture=english&coll_classification=Costumes&coll_credit=&coll_pr ovenance=&coll_location=&coll_has_images=&coll_on_view=&coll_sort=2&coll_sor t_order=0&coll_view=0&coll_package=0&coll_start=51 Accession number: 43.243 Again they only show the back of it, and in this lighting you can't see how magnificently metallic it is. The museum now dates it to 1610-1615. I wonder if they disproved the connection to Elizabeth I, who died in 1603. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 14:24:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIOiB5031820 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:24:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MIOkDb027624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:24:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MIIaqk096810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIITFF008894; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIISl6008871 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so819888qba for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:18:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ncp4iGt7SXXq1TJjWclLh2Uk9j5PUSU5YXzpPX8IaSc=; b=MDgmCAGdD2SWBK53UWG8uMZLb4UrkiY/w8vAcbOhO6htkiuQnVYCOoYR9uqz763igeduF8pwx/3Degv/FqACoysqLofkuMmISrCajEr5Jfe2JIgplxOxqUKxqjzN8k86mRA35UqeN3k9/kTk8QBmtEUFYAs022LoFV/sebNjlKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uUz8LN8JlQlGIyKFjzO7CFgIZnHkSSwVUUYAxRfxuvmkElSZWW0H/hBtkHWYuPq7PuWx6/0dfMJgKEs2DtffTaOiNu994Nz7PyzzJfUgdhmTywrRXDe17lvbajCMttDIYw4OFkufnwoHpiKvBOXryuzUCjctuWnelm7PZJr7UgM= Received: by 10.142.128.6 with SMTP id a6mr1406529wfd.1190485107442; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:18:27 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d740d6e0-0add-4938-88c0-3b0098eb30c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F55DEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 9/22/07, Cin wrote: > Sounds like the one shown in Fashion in Detail, 17th & 18thc, look for > the polychrome embroidery jacket 1610 with the silver lace, silver > spangles & silver braid p16. It's in the V&A not the MFA. Same book, > a less fitted polychrome embroidery jacket on p24. Much more casual > in fit & style. > > This latter one is what I would expect for a dressing jacket or a bed > jacket, where the previous looks too fitted. I would expect the first > in one in Fashion in Detail to be used as an "at home". Pure > speculation. Same book, Fashion in Detail, 4 more jackets (with color pics of all) Black embroidery on white linen 1620s on p150 Red embroidery on white linen 1620s on p150 Another with black embroidery on white linen 1620s on p150 Polychrome embroidery and silver braid 1620s p148 --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 14:43:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIhlwU032103 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:43:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MIhoea031968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:43:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MIhKoU002106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIhIxp033847; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIC7SP002033 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so819249qba for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:12:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=CS91n8VTMteHZEDEEH0+7zQXA2Q2UGEypRM4eSZJ6lM=; b=Xc9zuW32FMN1xFerp/dzPFjsVLPqrPjwzTzpQCPlZrcT+iLHWBsWkGXQAyTj73485kiN6PAIeTjnrxhX2qQVAGILlE72otavV+NKuQ9X79hRzEQG8qQ1cbAjF32DFVrsLyDLdxL3XnA2PHkJsw0u29LI7YAQcCaSHeLxnK98S2o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OWZnLSg3VmMPnO8ToITkRXETQsN0pvvn/hKq6I+yvDKo8ZwElj57KiCC1QDv/Gpbbq/nUbrLKz3x2YJdmhFg0juzqTqnUjNQ5I5/79y1KKSrt7ZCjq2Zp4twHJnCumfdwL7TLG5oZsqZWNoPM8oYBz36y1iJpL0ca74rXXTLplY= Received: by 10.142.241.10 with SMTP id o10mr192545wfh.1190484717943; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:11:57 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62666f56-69f9-4a1f-8ae2-d62362c9d417 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F56266.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Alexandria Doyle wrote: >> Is that an embroidered jacket or one of the knit ones? The Boston MFA >> seems to have several in their collection. Dawn: >I remember it being white linen, woven and not knit. It was a late >1500's style, I don't remember too much else about it, other than all >the metallic embroidery. There may have been metal lace. I've been >searching the MFA website, but have not found it in the online >collection yet. Sounds like the one shown in Fashion in Detail, 17th & 18thc, look for the polychrome embroidery jacket 1610 with the silver lace, silver spangles & silver braid p16. It's in the V&A not the MFA. Same book, a less fitted polychrome embroidery jacket on p24. Much more casual in fit & style. This latter one is what I would expect for a dressing jacket or a bed jacket, where the previous looks too fitted. I would expect the first in one in Fashion in Detail to be used as an "at home". Pure speculation. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 14:55:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIt9nY032285 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:55:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MItBec003496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:55:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MIsrwg004355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIsqiD045318; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIsoBX045283 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:54:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so824154qba for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EAsxHYuBPxY6LtbsfoTqkbKWM67IcBCxVyOCJLKCAMc=; b=JaH+M1PMlSszyVCMGkIhVm4rWzwZQiF+RuKXG2lRLDp5oWp47f/q7yrRP0kFIzFUMaPsx74GBpBHUS5uEwk/+FMbSp7VDiy7IFRFlA58FfDqjvExAD9iFFHsvfKKgUpjwqOzQhRSzkq7ohdx2eu6Uv07JsII2Igq4Y/3/TEWsno= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nB4qe3YgGcN1mCVcMHm8tYaM2aA60k0PjSBEhArOsJZnrTvZS2iEdE5+rOyqvOoPaHaztUZSnec5JJWMFNuiZ5u5vnw6UFxozEixbLvvQAOdIyiadSsJrp4eofpHwubjcnTVML0zyJ90zWDgIk5rBuYypQEHA6gfKQxfPHOPm7w= Received: by 10.142.52.9 with SMTP id z9mr1459609wfz.1190487289498; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:54:49 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200709221800.l8MI08no090210@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709221800.l8MI08no090210@net.indra.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 438 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 189ec794-d953-494d-9d9c-f088cf4968ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F5650F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > From: "Eva Andersson" > >However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an > >embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread > >instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I > From: Melanie Schuessler > There's a black and white picture of this in George Wingfield Digby's > _Elizabethan Embroidery_. It's plate 22B. "The jacket or doublet > illustrated on Pl. 22B was given to the Boston Museum of Fine Arts by > Elizabeth Day McCormick. > > If the picture shown in this book was taken after it was restored to > its original form, I'm very dubious that it's as early as 1578. It > looks very like all the other 1605+ jackets with the little hip > godets, etc. Pleasingly, the MFA agrees with you, Melanie & not Mr Digby's 1963 scholarship. Search the MFA costume collection for provenance=3D"McCormick" or search under "jackets". The MFA says "English, About 1610=9615, with later alterations. England, Linen plain weave, embroidered with silk and metallic threads and spangles; metallic bobbin lace." --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 14:57:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIvaXY032329 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:57:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MIvX21027967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:57:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MItHro004476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MItGhH045759; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIsoZS045295 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id q12so898425qba for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EAsxHYuBPxY6LtbsfoTqkbKWM67IcBCxVyOCJLKCAMc=; b=JaH+M1PMlSszyVCMGkIhVm4rWzwZQiF+RuKXG2lRLDp5oWp47f/q7yrRP0kFIzFUMaPsx74GBpBHUS5uEwk/+FMbSp7VDiy7IFRFlA58FfDqjvExAD9iFFHsvfKKgUpjwqOzQhRSzkq7ohdx2eu6Uv07JsII2Igq4Y/3/TEWsno= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nB4qe3YgGcN1mCVcMHm8tYaM2aA60k0PjSBEhArOsJZnrTvZS2iEdE5+rOyqvOoPaHaztUZSnec5JJWMFNuiZ5u5vnw6UFxozEixbLvvQAOdIyiadSsJrp4eofpHwubjcnTVML0zyJ90zWDgIk5rBuYypQEHA6gfKQxfPHOPm7w= Received: by 10.142.52.9 with SMTP id z9mr1459609wfz.1190487289498; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:54:49 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200709221800.l8MI08no090210@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709221800.l8MI08no090210@net.indra.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 438 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67546418-c83f-42da-bad3-7bec8b22c8d0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F5659D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > From: "Eva Andersson" > >However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an > >embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread > >instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I > From: Melanie Schuessler > There's a black and white picture of this in George Wingfield Digby's > _Elizabethan Embroidery_. It's plate 22B. "The jacket or doublet > illustrated on Pl. 22B was given to the Boston Museum of Fine Arts by > Elizabeth Day McCormick. > > If the picture shown in this book was taken after it was restored to > its original form, I'm very dubious that it's as early as 1578. It > looks very like all the other 1605+ jackets with the little hip > godets, etc. Pleasingly, the MFA agrees with you, Melanie & not Mr Digby's 1963 scholarship. Search the MFA costume collection for provenance=3D"McCormick" or search under "jackets". The MFA says "English, About 1610=9615, with later alterations. England, Linen plain weave, embroidered with silk and metallic threads and spangles; metallic bobbin lace." --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 14:59:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIxePB032365 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:59:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MIxgPb018649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:59:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MIvDVt004747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIvBhY047430; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MIv8bB047394 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so824430qba for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:57:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5fz7mOmfsAnSquJze59W7nloxx4boH91a3Tzln0n9M8=; b=RgaQKRsk2QLgb6ct/wgty3I8seVs42HYbjPA00//bw+1Ero7H4gHjwO/opV8e2E+oy4Z1irk0YgAUF+ozUy+R00WPmy1tZnl9cvj2oqLwXx9L74CkYTgZBoRSGlBrDtacnmfSyQXCZYOY6kSMXd+9Sm5KijVjXTDNqZ+6gnKzE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FqXbz81v1+kPOrllYkx1fwpWTeMUPd2W7TBSpIQaCiyWDUD/R9hhkAM0wfQkWjaXH/vh2O8KDgrJ1jJSb8cFry5mkTkRlfOF6z46lQ4L+ra5VyGhLK7K7WXKCMoQjPi9fcSvJ31WR6tnk+DfKvB8epBmOhsKL4k0WT5Y+zBBA5E= Received: by 10.142.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr153526wfe.1190487427916; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:57:07 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200709221800.l8MI08no090210@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709221800.l8MI08no090210@net.indra.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 438 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 902d28be-40c9-467f-bb9b-4e626a29cb1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F5661E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > From: "Eva Andersson" > >However, one of the pieces they reference might be. There's an > >embroidered jacket in the Boston MFA, done in silver and gold thread > >instead of multicolored, believed to have belonged to Elizabeth I. I > From: Melanie Schuessler > There's a black and white picture of this in George Wingfield Digby's > _Elizabethan Embroidery_. It's plate 22B. "The jacket or doublet > illustrated on Pl. 22B was given to the Boston Museum of Fine Arts by > Elizabeth Day McCormick. > If the picture shown in this book was taken after it was restored to > its original form, I'm very dubious that it's as early as 1578. It > looks very like all the other 1605+ jackets with the little hip > godets, etc. Pleasingly, the MFA agrees with you, Melanie & not Mr Digby's 1963 scholarship. Search the MFA costume collection for provenance=3D"McCormick" or search under "jackets". The MFA says "English, About 1610=9615, with later alterations. England, Linen plain weave, embroidered with silk and metallic threads and spangles; metallic bobbin lace." --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 15:02:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MJ2KXl032414 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:02:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MJ2M4j030168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:02:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MJ21Cj005872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MJ1xTu052142; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MJ1uEl052029 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49156] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id 27/CD-31246-D9665F64 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:01:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200709221800.l8MI08nn090210@net.indra.com> References: <200709221800.l8MI08nn090210@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:01:44 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] men's breeches 1st half of the 17th cent.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e90bc3b2-bee2-406c-ae60-9d19634184b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F566BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi How 'poofy' would a tradesman's breeches be in the 1st half of the 17th cent in England? Are the ones in The Cut of Men's Clothing a good rep for one of the middling sort? Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 15:17:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MJHg0n032612 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:17:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8MJHihg013794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:17:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8MJGFpd008176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8MJGCBP065647; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8MJG8Cx065441 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 76999 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2007 19:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.152.222 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2007 19:16:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AxFfAL8VM1kG2vGk8cQ1_R7uWGCEE6cokSpJ5V60OvdYUlmYicYb0qLrk.y1oTsiXueTci6V4w-- Message-ID: <003101c7fd4d$04093590$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1089dbd4-fcc7-4dc5-9c64-5e1f2dfa767d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F56A58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you all for the "Hood" references. As chance would have it, my stash for the dolls includes lots of silk velvet, and I know at least one piece is soft enough at hand to make a very nice hood. The pearl braid I am using has been harvested from a 'dead' wedding gown. The pearls are paste and so rather fragile; one string is set on a cord of silver metal (now tarnished); the other has very slightly larger pearls with silver-lined glass bead picot running the length. This 'personage' is about 12" tall. Queen Maude is 20" tall and designing for her is somewhat easier to include greater detail for the scale. Made a new wig for Elizabeth yesterday and the face was transformed. Her 'working wig' was the curly sort one sees in most of the later portraits. The prominent Gibson girl pout is there in the pert nose, but the simpler hair do makes her look more pensive and vulnerable...and I think like Holbein saw her. Made me remember in my years of presenting vintage and antique trunk or fashion shows how often I had to encourage the models to at least try to achieve a hairstyle that was apropriate to the age of the ensemble they were wearing. "Hair" does so much to really evoke the past. Still cleaning up after my massive two day sale of last spring at a local auction house. My archives room is overflowing with all manner of antique/vintage fabric, fragments of all manner of fab. and trim, lace, tiny buttons, fur (tiny ermine tails), jewelry, leather and such. I am now going to edit some of this; most of the Twentieth century stuff, especially almost anything after 1960, will be passed on to the local quilters or assisted living craft rooms. And the rest? The dollies are all calling to me..."I'm next! It's My turn! No fair. You always pick Her" and the like. Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 21:27:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8N1RcvA005228 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:27:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8N1ReXC018058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:27:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8N1QcGk067879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8N1QW9V072767; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-06.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8N1QSfw072717 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-pop-a [10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-06.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l8N1QRxc029871 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JOS00K48S03CV@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.105] (Forwarded-For: [65.185.79.207]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:26:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:26:27 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I In-reply-to: <003101c7fd4d$04093590$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <90abb296faa7.faa790abb296@columbus.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <003101c7fd4d$04093590$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5a9ec46-18a8-44c4-ad4d-e70d11e7d1e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F5C10C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Kathleen, Are there pictures of your dolls online? I love dolls and would really appreciate seeing your creations. With regards, kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 22 23:13:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8N3DSHN006519 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:13:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8N3DUKq024316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:13:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8N3COGN077791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8N3CLm5049312; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8N3CIbT049237 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 357 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2007 03:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.152.222 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2007 03:12:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pfHF0VMVM1l4vcbTjlAlwL9mcdTOiRWikAmSymk95TQeNPIJZX2_tGG59JFLmb.9Lx.eztqXChxRIbZ3_TI45do_s.91aOalmLrFbf39qiWti.2Pb9Fb Message-ID: <001201c7fd8f$89fb31c0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c7fc85$63fca4a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><003101c7fd4d$04093590$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <90abb296faa7.faa790abb296@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d437dae6-1f62-49d5-b14f-24ee6882356b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F5D9DA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not yet. I am now trying to explore a venue for an exhibit. My concertration is still Historicle costuming, but on a mini scale...not historicle costuming as practiced by those who generally represent antique dolls of Historicle note. "Original Doll in Original Package with Original Head, Arms, and Body, wearing Original clothing does not usually exhibit historicle clothing...only "historicitie" related to the doll "industry." As always, I am aware that any atempt of past fashion replication will always be an atempt and not true recreation. My best evocations will at best turn the minds eye to a reflection of the past fashion period attempted. Spent the evening with some goldlace medallions, tiny pearls, garnet beads, and a gilt cross evoking the jewelry E. wears in the Holbein portrait. La. what fun! kathleen ---- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I > Kathleen, > > Are there pictures of your dolls online? I love dolls and would really > appreciate seeing your creations. > > With regards, > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 23 11:58:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NFwmxV031931 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:58:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8NFwnn9029731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:58:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8NFveqM070631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:57:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NFvauv057995; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8NFvXJQ057849 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 44787 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2007 15:57:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=h29Rp3tEJ0VZIu1tc6STwgeNMAAfX4tklvLzidZNYWH8GZezAl/omUVqMKMVLdDZTFdGi2H54MA9cO78NXD/QzeDsVPswTJphh9M6uQwtdtwfCav6QyaW/hOoXpHIH4IlzpVyq9bsKl9G1NEyG45TqaNk9f7q837ZMvuiaupR2E=; X-YMail-OSG: _f2COFwVM1mPbIEFuaaOhUE9ej5CnpP5INcbJ4sFJR.OspYVilIhrs1wHM7XJn0Eh_x7v_DscFdZ5igTs01eg.Rg0nGKRUcn8Z7x9HRPcwqjs9T.ZTuXz4ry16r9jA-- Received: from [206.190.52.39] by web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:57:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <45331.44130.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Valuation of collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07543406-829f-457f-b6e3-6ace87be674a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F68D3A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello everyone,=0A=0AThe divorce saga continues. Ugh.=0A=0AMy collection is= large enough that it's going to wind up on the inventory list for the divi= sion of assets. Oh joy. I have to reduce my collection to a bunch of number= s. =0A=0ASome of these things were for my personal collection and thus I ne= ver bothered to count hours put in, so I have NO clue what I would valuate = them at. Trying to do searches on various costuming sites is proving very l= engthy and tedious - time I just don't have since I am scrambling to rebuil= d myself enough to find a job (anyone having leads for a lowly costumer in = dire need of a place to work, do let me know!) and keep up with my soon-to-= be- ex's demanding schedule. Apparently I should be waking up one morning = totally over it and greeting him at the door like my best buddy already. Th= en again twelve years of his life was a complete waste of time to him. So m= uch for memories.=0A=0AGetting on with it, I was hoping that everyone as co= stumers would be willing to throw your opinions - they don't have to be vas= tly detailed, just a round number - on what these items are worth on the ma= rket. Some of them already have a valuation, which you will see - these one= s I did count, and are very flexible now. The numbers merely represent actu= al hours and actual materials costs - I charged myself out $10.00/hr. =0A= =0AI am sitting here right now as I type - well, you know what I mean. ;-) = putting up measurements for those whom have contacted me with interest for = my pieces. That will give you a start on your decision making process. Anyt= hing I plan on keeping is marked "not for sale". But, if you like it just = that much, we can talk.=0A=0AThanks for your patience with the harried, rat= her miserable creature that I am,=0A=0AKathy=0A~He didn't think the bed pra= nk was as funny as I did. But it was very satisfying!~=0A =0AErmine, a lion= rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, se= eded, slipped and leaved vert=0A(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion= s head erased gules. =0AIt=92s never too late to be who you might have been= .=0A-George Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginni= ng of knowledge. =0AWho you are is contained inside, and no one can change = that. They can only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly re= shape you to their own image.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Be smarter than spam. = See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Y= ahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 23 12:24:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NGOv8Q032583 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:24:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8NGOsQm015962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:25:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8NGNQdB074862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NGNOlg081952; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8NGNLqP081813 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 86508 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2007 16:23:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=O5DjnDo8XPK22uZWP7BuZ/OMwXZEL0UETANbphkjHxONT3QzUbUqkNweHH4z9oHtZvvDhcB2Drj78H7KSeVJ5FSLKReT/ONOTCSd1c0EUcGBg7qJQ8aMwwTE+g014FoOLBIS/vb3BXTTwXUA/NMuGrBbNyZRdry1TtXZrcODe6Y=; X-YMail-OSG: YZDvyCcVM1m8FIticFtLfq15uHCLvF1zlVrabeEziuOG6cJAxIjTS_3aAUl.xb_fKQ-- Received: from [206.190.52.39] by web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:23:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <596880.83819.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Costume Valuation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61948c4b-67c9-4bf3-9e1a-c35a0638baef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F69356.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 23 14:15:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NIFApH002606 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8NIFClc028379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:15:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8NICpaU094094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NICm6f089463; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:12:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NICjgJ089338 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:12:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:12:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:12:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.101.49.114 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:12:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.101.49.114] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:13:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:13:34 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2007 18:12:40.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[54255070:01C7FE0D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff716f1d-509b-420e-9c36-af57d1d88af0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F6AD30.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this pattern. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/40000/itm_img/M8938.jpg I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of you seen anything like it? Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but..... Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 23 14:43:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NIhthe003092 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:43:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8NIhqSO027368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:44:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8NIhMsE099782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NIhIE8019572; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8NIhDKl019375 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31236 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2007 18:43:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=aig1iYzX6c3j//bPCIUwrKScycYX5DiXFkuE45AwIuHGOUQ5QRl1I2SlXvgh2iUp8K8JYoSMfRzaLRS42OZTQEk21AwHZfwBJGssNCkEsM4TMyH/BbBbCVNJy3TvH09oz45OyFUtYCA1qbIlMPU8i//Z5IWi1b7fTWHWkHptJmA=; X-YMail-OSG: kdab79EVM1kYv7NSUC0UM7VxC4jOFI7moxVKNOBGW5v6LUvoL94vlv4OiZSc..MgC45_sMpfv8_wzf1JGaIzRrHiJrTxZzxf3CLK2aGDHUpWB9_qtFJtbKVruSgafg-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:43:08 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:43:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <465944.30521.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2dcaa56b-ccc3-4ef5-9ec0-36864ff27ee4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F6B3E8.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It doesn't loook like "fringe" per say to me, it looks more like a weft of wig hair, like if you took apart a halloween wig, i.e: an old lady or white witch wig. I'd say try that. Melody Saragrace Knauf wrote: Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this pattern. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/40000/itm_img/M8938.jpg I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of you seen anything like it? Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but..... Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Moody friends. 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Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 23 15:33:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NJXCvq004514 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8NJXDgX000621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8NJW5mJ006582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NJW1Uj061571; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NJVwOX061530 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E44BD37839 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:31:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:32:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <465944.30521.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f472e72f-a4a3-4f23-96c2-1424984ae373 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F6BF79.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Looks like long haired fake fur almost similar to the skunk ridge. Their notions section doesn't say fringe but it doesn't say long hair fake fur like it does for the skunk. You might get a clue from the instructions and you might want to notify McCall about they oversite with the monkey face hairs in the notions section. May try contacting McCalls and ask them what they used. They might tell you. It isn't fringe. De -----Original Message----- Saragrace Knauf wrote: Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this pattern. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/40000/itm_img/M8938.jpg I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of you seen anything like it? Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but..... Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 23 16:14:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NKEYwa005197 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:14:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8NKEafK007024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:14:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8NKE5RC017008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:14:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NKE22k004555; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NKDwVl004424 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.58.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.58]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IZXq1-0002C8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:13:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <717ADA90-B59E-4A42-A0D3-CDD97B452371@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:16:00 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5eb9fd9f-6a84-4cdd-a0f5-449476de14db X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F6C92C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO They don't mention what the lion's mane is made of, either (looks like crinkled strips of Kraft paper, which I don't think I'd want to put on a toddler...). Wouldn't a shopper want to know these things before getting home (if in fact the directions provide this information)? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:32 PM, otsisto wrote: > Looks like long haired fake fur almost similar to the skunk ridge. > Their > notions section doesn't say fringe but it doesn't say long hair > fake fur > like it does for the skunk. You might get a clue from the > instructions and > you might want to notify McCall about they oversite with the monkey > face > hairs in the notions section. May try contacting McCalls and ask > them what > they used. They might tell you. > It isn't fringe. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this > pattern. > > http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/40000/itm_img/M8938.jpg > > I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of > you seen > anything like it? > > Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but..... > > Thanks, > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 23 18:40:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NMeCIg008641 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:40:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8NMeE4S013992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:40:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8NMcuTu063667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NMcoTO052336; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NMckrn052273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l8NMcja2025736 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:38:45 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume Valuation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:42:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <596880.83819.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0ceb0ce-601f-44c3-8b11-ce6fecefafea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F6EB4E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Kathy, This is an incredible collection and should be worth a lot. However the pool of buyers who can actually pay what they are worth is small. It is even smaller when you realize that these are garments meant to fit one person. This means that the lovely lady of size 6 may have to pass up her dearest wish gown if it is made only in size 16 (the opposite of my problem!) Nothing is worth money unless there are people willing to buy it. I'm saying this only because it sounds to me as though you don't want your personal worth to be counted as very high due to these garments. If you do want them to be higher, estimate the hours of work and multiply by about $12.00 or more per hour. That being a very inexpensive Courture designer/maker. Regina (been there but lucked out. I have a hole in my life and my heart, but the money side worked out painlessly for a wonder.) > > > Gah! It's the missing link! > Sorry I didn't include it. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/49victor/KathySCostuming > > Kathy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 23 23:57:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O3vnG8015750 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:57:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8O3vprS022060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:57:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8O3ugKG023298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O3udTM029897; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O3uZku029844 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A545335E02CC; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:55:49 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <45331.44130.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:56:31 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c7fe5e$e48c2840$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acf9+oK2DYe4jOUGS8SxyydqWIFVSAAY9Ckw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <45331.44130.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 624e82dc-26cd-409c-bdd7-dc043889ac7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F735BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Remember, they're only worth what someone is willing to pay, so don't overvalue them. It's probably in your best interest to sell first, then split whatever they bring. Your ex may think they're worth more than you = can actually get. Hoping for the best for you,=20 Sharon C. =20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Kathy Page Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:57 AM To: Historical Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Valuation of collection Hello everyone, The divorce saga continues. Ugh. My collection is large enough that it's going to wind up on the = inventory list for the division of assets. Oh joy. I have to reduce my collection = to a bunch of numbers.=20 Some of these things were for my personal collection and thus I never bothered to count hours put in, so I have NO clue what I would valuate = them at. Trying to do searches on various costuming sites is proving very = lengthy and tedious - time I just don't have since I am scrambling to rebuild = myself enough to find a job (anyone having leads for a lowly costumer in dire = need of a place to work, do let me know!) and keep up with my soon-to-be- = ex's demanding schedule. Apparently I should be waking up one morning = totally over it and greeting him at the door like my best buddy already. Then = again twelve years of his life was a complete waste of time to him. So much = for memories. Getting on with it, I was hoping that everyone as costumers would be = willing to throw your opinions - they don't have to be vastly detailed, just a = round number - on what these items are worth on the market. Some of them = already have a valuation, which you will see - these ones I did count, and are = very flexible now. The numbers merely represent actual hours and actual = materials costs - I charged myself out $10.00/hr.=20 I am sitting here right now as I type - well, you know what I mean. ;-) putting up measurements for those whom have contacted me with interest = for my pieces. That will give you a start on your decision making process. Anything I plan on keeping is marked "not for sale". But, if you like = it just that much, we can talk. Thanks for your patience with the harried, rather miserable creature = that I am, Kathy ~He didn't think the bed prank was as funny as I did. But it was very satisfying!~ =20 Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a = rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules.=20 It=92s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge.=20 Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can = only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you to = their own image. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk = email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 00:06:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O46Nhm015860 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:06:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8O46P23026566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:06:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8O464rO024943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O4636P037747; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O45xTt037679 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A77768601DA; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:05:11 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:05:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c7fe60$3387c5c0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acf+DV6wmQlulEi5Se6R6RsXvC4g0wAUn9vA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa79c454-77a1-462e-a328-26ceaaace4ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F737C1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You could use fringe for drapes. It won't look exactly like the photo, but would certainly be easy to work with. You could leave it as is, or cut the ends of the loops so it fanned out more. How old is your nephew? Will he care if it's not exact? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:14 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this pattern. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/40000/itm_img/M8938.jpg I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of you seen anything like it? Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but..... Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 00:46:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O4kdSK016806 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:46:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8O4kfEO005086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:46:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8O4kDAv031062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:46:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O4kBdD067135; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O4k8uY067032 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:46:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=l4I2qCG8eJ30NDYJ1sMYZHe7TU8nWzx3AvHHvnJRMZp2A20OUHFoHOMTTsVnJxmE; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.228.171.14] (helo=[192.168.11.22]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IZfpW-0004l1-1k for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:45:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45331.44130.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <45331.44130.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F62030D-9014-42BB-97C2-21A965965B1F@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:45:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4785103c254a80fd57d1f9221b37c901797ab734bee8200116e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.228.171.14 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29deec9e-5d55-49b8-afe2-52ab7647c590 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F74131.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Kathy Page wrote: > Hello everyone, > > The divorce saga continues. Ugh. > > My collection is large enough that it's going to wind up on the > inventory list for the division of assets. Oh joy. I have to reduce > my collection to a bunch of numbers. Just a brief idea: the method of valuation depends on the purpose. If you were setting a value to something for insurance, that would different from estimating what to charge for a commission, etc. It seems to me (but IANAL) that in the context of a divorce, the key question is "what is the liquidatable value of this property?" That is, supposing that he, physically, were handed half the wardrobe of costumes, how much cash could he reasonably expect to turn them into on eBay or the equivalent without expending a great deal of time and effort? For that, you shouldn't need to evaluate your specific costumes individually -- simply research final sale prices of roughly equivalent items (i.e., used custom-made costumes being sold to someone they weren't custom-made for) in a market that can be assume to reflect fair market expectations. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 07:20:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OBKU3H015795 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OBKV46002737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:20:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OBJM8h094235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OBJI4H082945; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NMg0FS054828 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.23]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:41:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:41:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.101.49.114 by BAY133-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:41:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.101.49.114] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <465944.30521.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:42:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:42:53 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2007 22:41:55.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1607980:01C7FE32] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 05c2e95d-744b-450b-89b0-239550c15692 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F79D80.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This looks about right...thanks for the suggestions. http://www.clothdollsupply.com/images/hair/DH-PLT.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody Watts" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT > It doesn't loook like "fringe" per say to me, > it looks more like a weft of wig hair, like if you took apart a > halloween wig, i.e: an old lady or white witch wig. > I'd say try that. > Melody > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 07:20:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OBKUP1015798 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OBKWSP029717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:20:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OBKE0v094335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OBKETL083832; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8NNqV72014383 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA22102B8C for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:52:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46F6FC61.3080709@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:53:05 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT References: <717ADA90-B59E-4A42-A0D3-CDD97B452371@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <717ADA90-B59E-4A42-A0D3-CDD97B452371@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 8f054973-921a-4685-8245-37acbec0910b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F79D81.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 07:21:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OBLLMo015832 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:21:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OBLNVh020279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:21:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OBL43s094724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OBL2wv084799; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8O5WB8Y002085 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:32:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A4623B016 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:32:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:33:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <717ADA90-B59E-4A42-A0D3-CDD97B452371@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 61b197cb-03c0-4de2-847d-24783629d8b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F79DB3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The lion's mane is polar fleece cut into stripes. but yeah they don't say it on the outside of the package. With the lion you can use long fake fur for the mane as a sub. example of long hair fake fur: http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SLDLGHRFUR1 De -----Original Message----- They don't mention what the lion's mane is made of, either (looks like crinkled strips of Kraft paper, which I don't think I'd want to put on a toddler...). Wouldn't a shopper want to know these things before getting home (if in fact the directions provide this information)? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:32 PM, otsisto wrote: > Looks like long haired fake fur almost similar to the skunk ridge. > Their > notions section doesn't say fringe but it doesn't say long hair > fake fur > like it does for the skunk. You might get a clue from the > instructions and > you might want to notify McCall about they oversite with the monkey > face > hairs in the notions section. May try contacting McCalls and ask > them what > they used. They might tell you. > It isn't fringe. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this > pattern. > > http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/40000/itm_img/M8938.jpg > > I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of > you seen > anything like it? > > Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but..... > > Thanks, > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 08:09:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OC9D3H017099 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:09:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OC9FeC005364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:09:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OC8il2013832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OC8fxg036525; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8OC8b9a036385 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 80146 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 12:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.152.222 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 12:08:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wWFrUJoVM1k3aJWJXvvlzJGUETwFCBJhP4CFV2wmg_DOZkA7h76TrAGOTKF37nPzVwO5ud6KRER.a4IqF5Saq0.wHuaAQReQmIGg_LTC7GHul4Zrfdf1 Message-ID: <008201c7fea3$a051fac0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:08:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28777641-b58b-472c-b4f4-ac8458a69fbb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F7A8EB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fake fur is the best way to go, for sure...says one who has made a 'Noah's Arc' of animals in the other life What ever, keep it soft around the face. Many kids are especially sensitive to any kind of roughness or texture they are not used to. And with the fur, remember to cut it on the back side ! that way you will preserve the 'guard hair' and get the longest lengths preserved. The strip you need should be less than an inch in width; be sure to determine the direction of the fall (nap on other piled fabrics). Cut a small strip as a test and comb it out; drape around a curved item like maybe a water bottle or ball, and see how the hair falls. When you are getting the look you want, cut and put it in a dryer (no heat!!!) to remove all the loose stuff. It can be combed or brushed, but the dryer trick keeps the fiber dust to a minimum. And, instructions for the mother: Do not place hood in hot water or a dryer for cleaning! The longhair stuff will shrivel and mat. Don't know the yardage on this monkey, but remember that the fabric is usually 60" wide. Buy the smallest amount the source allows. if you are buying craft squares, one will do. Have fun! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT > The lion's mane is polar fleece cut into stripes. but yeah they don't say > it > on the outside of the package. With the lion you can use long fake fur for > the mane as a sub. > > example of long hair fake fur: > http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SLDLGHRFUR1 > > De > > -----Original Message----- > They don't mention what the lion's mane is made of, either (looks > like crinkled strips of Kraft paper, which I don't think I'd want to > put on a toddler...). Wouldn't a shopper want to know these things > before getting home (if in fact the directions provide this > information)? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:32 PM, otsisto wrote: > >> Looks like long haired fake fur almost similar to the skunk ridge. >> Their >> notions section doesn't say fringe but it doesn't say long hair >> fake fur >> like it does for the skunk. You might get a clue from the >> instructions and >> you might want to notify McCall about they oversite with the monkey >> face >> hairs in the notions section. May try contacting McCalls and ask >> them what >> they used. They might tell you. >> It isn't fringe. >> >> De >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Saragrace Knauf wrote: >> Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this >> pattern. >> >> http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/40000/itm_img/M8938.jpg >> >> I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of >> you seen >> anything like it? >> >> Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but..... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 09:17:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ODHJAi019078 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:17:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ODHJBt003841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:17:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ODGIUB034011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:16:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ODGEJC009022; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ODGAf2008870 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:16:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:16:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.101.49.114 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:16:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.101.49.114] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:17:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:17:03 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2007 13:16:05.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FEA5040:01C7FEAD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85709dcf-2e70-4522-b9bd-d55d3f735ad7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F7B8DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO When I made the lion many years ago, I used all different colors and widths of double poly satin ribbon....that worked very well also...and was lots of fun! Thanks again for your suggestions - I knew I could depend on you guys! SG ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT > The lion's mane is polar fleece cut into stripes. but yeah they don't say > it > on the outside of the package. With the lion you can use long fake fur for > the mane as a sub. > > example of long hair fake fur: > http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SLDLGHRFUR1 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 09:44:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ODixnu019913 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:44:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ODj1Hp032439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ODeHbc041024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ODeFcK035774; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ODeCNY035660 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:39:43 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l8ODdho22210 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:39:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 24 Sep 2007 08:39:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:39:41 -0500 References: <200709231800.l8NI0ATB077957@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:38:07 -0500 Message-ID: <46F7776F.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200709231800.l8NI0ATB077957@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83ada149-d2f7-4904-b713-4dff3de20794 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F7BF5D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Blanche calls it a doublet. Pattern #4, page 543. Figure #334 -- only > shows the back. "Courtesy the "Elizabeth Day McCormick Collection") -- > no other accession/item number. I finally found it on the web site: Accession number: 43.243 Again they only show the back of it, and in this lighting you can't see how magnificently metallic it is. The museum now dates it to 1610-1615. I wonder if they disproved the connection to Elizabeth I, who died in 1603. Dawn ************************** Thanks for digging this out Dawn. Wow, the b&w pic in Digby sure looks different from the color MFA pic. And the restoration now has be wondering about the bobbin lace being an accurate type. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 13:08:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OH8ocn027356 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:08:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OH8q0g000328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:08:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OH7ZfX093634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OH7R8d091697; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OH7L1R091578 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so1293718nze for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Oi+2btUiOoHl5i7GN5HxrPAS0MKkqtzGLEMfe8pgtuc=; b=OcjE191ylFCZhrsok9pjmZq4/8RCJ3swWkxzfwGL/WcxpiJAz3P3rxU+0njieG4JALgRIwWLsQbv9nRSQoyIQSjAcJb39VCUMosZhs+f48YpEpyPlPEHptYDTgJ1MUaoQyq8R7f9xnY80jAXbDi4zyiq64J+CaL7R1tLTKeHxnw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=d3fPxuHbSG+HkEUfLDJK+G6AQEIUEcB8bltRdCdbIJ1CP/XlcbyJtEEXr+2qb8uYoCo1Sehn7JcxqUXhcKVaxk5FBq6D8vrpzc0mvyHk0zPiK7SpeA08GG4NKYHGMHYiPHfzsDoukzyKWEDnQOMwEJHmR+2T97yvJbayT8ZqXv4= Received: by 10.142.233.9 with SMTP id f9mr1295745wfh.1190653639207; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:07:19 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d48bfcd5-2ddd-4299-b817-c3018613636c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F7EF24.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Heather said: >Just a brief idea: the method of valuation depends on the purpose. >If you were setting a value to something for insurance, that would >different from estimating what to charge for a commission, etc. It >seems to me (but IANAL) that in the context of a divorce, the key >question is "what is the liquidatable value of this property?" Spoken like finance professional. Also, Kathy, you are selling used clothing, and not your time & effort. As Heather says, that would be considered in the replacement cost of each item. During your term of ownership, you've used up some portion of the original value of each of these assets. What you are recouping now is the, unfortunately termed, "salvage value" of the items. No one has mentioned this side: If you are trying to value these costumes and keep them, then you'd certainly want to price them as used, low value, unsaleable items for purposes of sharing out the assets of the marriage. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 13:30:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OHULOU027785 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:30:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OHUIog001741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:30:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OHSwoD097850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:28:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OHSrKL020055; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OHSj7W019874 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so591149wri for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=MIW4tR1ijIdQCW/8WRmSoYbfRdHFuMcvJszKQorUV8k=; b=W15m2cG8uDrEyShaBmpyir4r8ukX5DJaQ2O84Z0e3Qyx4uwUJNVHtWOkOc6fuDPOnYF+2LjKtFlE2Xllj5H1teE0iGDFiNKoi6IqNcmbkviPItThENcTL7n5V9X1TONsAoWeFLP268j4qGtQ0lV3595ZYyvzeFYGa1/g+B+FaRE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sLPWNZWrYz4L9sfNGn+/hQahf1klp8+Msya4hH6kNkZb2e/v8gamHxlcwLWl/OPsSte3cfIwq6b5STKFcbycCz7q0jQOQH9vBpHkiLxeA5wVkRiqW3P4vLVG4BJZf6yRrBzqG0ah9XSzjdwBQLq+eNBSOQ7HG1PDNDy3dNJKMwI= Received: by 10.142.229.4 with SMTP id b4mr1772898wfh.1190654924484; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:28:44 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume brag books online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52057374-a0cd-4e75-b805-3257003d6bc1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F7F42A.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I always thought ruffs, even for the clergy, had gone the way of the dodo. http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9854782 --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 13:47:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OHlcnm028202 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:47:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OHldpm023554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OHl09D001573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OHkwuY043429; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OHks4I043177 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 626823466-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.37.109 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAJ6U90ZPSCVt/2dsb2JhbACBWA Received: from 79-72-37-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.37.109]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 24 Sep 2007 18:46:47 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070924184531.033c7f08@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:46:49 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruffs in modern use In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf4cc234-ecb0-41e8-b4e0-0f97eb01e521 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F7F83B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 13:47:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OHlnQe028208 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:47:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OHlpKY003773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:47:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OHlUq7001705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OHlSnq044091; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8OHlO9w043918 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35164 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2007 17:47:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rcBpTmIUs/5GI8hjl6fjo4D2eLH1/yQ6rBbLVaOdM5pHolxyjmjW+uF+7TP/xvfN0ANw8VNCwc6/21KiU5fnRvUAXX5wY0F1CkT5ytsQgAugGVi0ryxfi9nPfwnYZCY/yKoIYo2wXTMILm6j7E+gTJ0M12eL5ysNbO5WlSWPmeI=; X-YMail-OSG: OpJqUvMVM1nog2V9Z0N0EV3.Zb6sheYfKawPxtLryk7gEIrMeVx9u7fgses7cPpqZiXwk3NN8d_ZCTZ8qIj0JaI35XdIaLg48wOYDxkdTrzvgy3g88FnHDn02faJ.w-- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:47:19 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:47:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruffs in modern use To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <641302.34823.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d7212d2-8d4f-4951-8cb7-4fc94ae353df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F7F848.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 14:43:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OIhnSx030102 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:43:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OIhov6026835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:43:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OIe6af010907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OIe4Ms006780; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OIdwf9006501 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070924183949.SEBZ25940.fep33.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:39:49 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.167]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070924183949.TZJV13502.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:39:49 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c7feda$5b510330$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c7fed9$c2c8db10$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:40:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.167] at Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:39:46 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb1c4b20-bb86-4ef6-b934-68c25294bd10 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F80567.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Forgot to mention you can see the ruff to the left how it looks when it has ben starched in rice starch, next she uses the hot iron 8 times in all before the pleats are satisfied in look. She tells it is a job for a pensioneer, because it takes long time.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use > Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped > pleats: > http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 14:50:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OIodMn030263 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:50:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OIofAu013472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:50:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OIoIZX013003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:50:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OIoDrG020321; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:50:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8OIo7gV020053 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200709241850.l8OIo7gV020053@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Sep 2007 18:50:01 -0000 Received: from p548E43D3.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.67.211] by mail.gmx.net (mp050) with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 20:50:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dHXxoTFtd0SAGHijbnjbxg7RAOXdjdOAlkLZkdx CcsXcJewc9bEyI X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:50:08 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use In-Reply-To: <000901c7fed9$c2c8db10$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000901c7fed9$c2c8db10$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2946b9c1-36e5-4ea2-8177-157745d991ba X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F80701.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The same ruffs are used in Hamburg, Luebeck and other parts of Northern Germany. I really wish I had more knowledge of the Danish language to read that article! Hanna At 20:36 24.09.2007, you wrote: >Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ >piped pleats: >http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 16:24:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKOxhc032440 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:24:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OKP112018516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:25:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OKNT5l034834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKNF2r044843; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKN8GT044682 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DC2C3AFDC for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:12:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:13:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c4b8ca5-74cd-4271-80f1-a57a018f22cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F81D1D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What I'd like to know is if most of these costumes are made for and worn by her and her daughter and thus proof of ownership, it therefore should NOT be shared property unless HE has been wearing the items himself as well. His lawyer can not make her sell the costumes. If she sells the costumes then the money becomes shared property but until then, again, unless he wears them as well, they are her's. All commissioned costumes need to be sold to the ones that commissioned them then that money is shared property. All costumes not sewn for anyone in particular or a customer backed out would be sold and money becomes shared property. It sounds like she needs another lawyer and if she doesn't have one she needs to try to find a pro bono (sp?) one. If the husband is the one filing for divorce for reasons of another woman then he is in the hot seat position and he should be making the concession. There is one thing that one SHOULD NOT do is find physical ways to get even. One may be angry at the jerk but burning clothes, destroying their stuff will not put the judge's or judge advocate 's mood to your side. And if children are involved do not act like a child or bad mouth the other person in front of the child as there is enough problems the child has to work through emotionally with a divorce. De Personal opinion and not a lawyer. -----Original Message----- Heather said: >Just a brief idea: the method of valuation depends on the purpose. >If you were setting a value to something for insurance, that would >different from estimating what to charge for a commission, etc. It >seems to me (but IANAL) that in the context of a divorce, the key >question is "what is the liquidatable value of this property?" Spoken like finance professional. Also, Kathy, you are selling used clothing, and not your time & effort. As Heather says, that would be considered in the replacement cost of each item. During your term of ownership, you've used up some portion of the original value of each of these assets. What you are recouping now is the, unfortunately termed, "salvage value" of the items. No one has mentioned this side: If you are trying to value these costumes and keep them, then you'd certainly want to price them as used, low value, unsaleable items for purposes of sharing out the assets of the marriage. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 16:30:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKUVg7032575 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:30:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OKUXRB011243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OKU2KS036637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKTcG1053350; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKTBXU052754 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:29:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.26]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:29:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:29:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.101.49.114 by BAY133-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:29:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.101.49.114] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c7fed9$c2c8db10$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:30:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:30:06 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2007 20:29:05.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D6FADD0:01C7FEE9] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abcbc11a-b6cc-4f8b-8356-73d3181ce93c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F81E69.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Really cool! I had no idea they were in use today. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 16:41:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKf7Xw032758 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:41:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OKf9Uo024027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:41:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OKeYZD039316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKeWYL067634; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKeTEN067532 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A08C2EF302EC; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:39:40 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000901c7fed9$c2c8db10$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> <001301c7feda$5b510330$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: RE: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:40:25 -0700 Message-ID: <006001c7feeb$22794110$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acf+2l0Azbn2Hr7pQkSTZuwadL1RXwAELKxw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <001301c7feda$5b510330$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc6c388e-0996-4b10-9767-eebba99a5ee9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F820E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm lazy. I sewed fishing line in the edge of my ruff so I don't have to starch it. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Forgot to mention you can see the ruff to the left how it looks when it has ben starched in rice starch, next she uses the hot iron 8 times in all before the pleats are satisfied in look. She tells it is a job for a pensioneer, because it takes long time.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use > Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped > pleats: > http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 16:54:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKs5mR000579 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:54:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OKs7cp009453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:54:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OKrdX6042742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKrRZG085295; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKrHgv085064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.122] (209-148-118-122.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l8OKrE97016996 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:53:15 -0700 Message-ID: <46F823B9.7070809@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:53:13 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d0240d9-8d94-4b80-9c9d-fd867453d1e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F823EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO otsisto wrote: > What I'd like to know is if most of these costumes are made for and worn by > her and her daughter and thus proof of ownership, it therefore should NOT be > shared property unless HE has been wearing the items himself as well. I think that depends on the state you live in. For example, I live in California, which is a community property state. Legally half my earnings and half my personal possessions belong to my husband--and vice versa. My creditors could attach property in his name, or part of his earnings--and his creditors could attach my property and earnings. I've lived happily with the same man since I was 18, so I know little about divorce. However, the little I've gathered from seeing other people's California divorces indicates that any financial arrangement the couple can manage to negotiate together, and legally sign up to, is valid. For example, if one party is willing to let the other party retain certain assets, their value doesn't really matter. I've never known anyone to force liquidation to divide up property for a divorce; though I suppose someone somewhere must have done it. So frankly, I think the strategy is for her to convince her soon-to-be-ex-husband that her partly-worn clothes, in her own personal size, are of little value or use to him. Probably in return for giving up something else that _he_ wants, but which is hopefully something she does not actually want. Of course, that may be exactly what he's doing claiming her wardrobe--trying to get her to give up her claim to something _he_ wants much more than a bunch of women's clothes. Failing that, to hire an official appraiser--and try to get one who will stress the low value of the wardrobe, its worn condition, unique sizing, unsuitability for ordinary daily use (after all, we're not talking about new Prada handbags or diamond necklaces here, something the average lawyer or jury would attach more value to than historic costume), etc. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 17:00:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OL0CuS000692 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:00:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OL0EeR008993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:00:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OKvPo1043770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKvLhi090570; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:57:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OKvFvC090420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.122] (209-148-118-122.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l8OKvDGN019048 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:57:14 -0700 Message-ID: <46F824A8.6020100@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:57:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection--again References: <46F823B9.7070809@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <46F823B9.7070809@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81c6358e-ca60-4b52-ac34-adabbfebb994 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F8255E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO BTW, I don't see that a father has any claim on his children's (or stepchildren's, if that's the case) personal posessions in a divorce suit. He's not divorcing the daughter. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: > > > otsisto wrote: > >> What I'd like to know is if most of these costumes are made for and >> worn by >> her and her daughter and thus proof of ownership, it therefore should >> NOT be >> shared property unless HE has been wearing the items himself as well. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 17:39:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OLdafM001750 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:39:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8OLdcNP030805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:39:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8OLX2ae052429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OLWtGX039412; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8OLWkFt039139 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:32:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82420 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2007 21:32:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=abFdNZxJsfBaHH9xuOQxBsT8OfwF4beY+PkLTZN94+cnKzvLqhGSAA2b09q7Gn4JzjY4JSEH4rbTbLw0DsJld/L7qzU3l3KkkwWvtr7yT50PlwpkOtsJgEV7PNS1igV31ejAXmUDXeCzJ59oEb3Pr/Mz+tyEEPcAc8h6T7TCNFg=; X-YMail-OSG: T9ccd0kVM1ktfIkII12ZUNfxsfInyA4jWqCEXCWcloxFrl7a8d.4XlxsPANZYAW_yA-- Received: from [208.179.44.208] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:32:41 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <415974.82012.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cd4cd99-b2e6-47d6-b1a4-b589f768d962 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F82E9A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a friend who is both a lawyer and a costumed weirdo like the rest of us. He practices here in California, but he might be able to provide some guidance. Contact information available on request. MaggiRos --- otsisto wrote: > What I'd like to know is if most of these costumes > are made for and worn by > her and her daughter and thus proof of ownership, it > therefore should NOT be > shared property unless HE has been wearing the items > himself as well. [...] Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 19:39:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ONdQxA004778 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:39:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ONdSPU006697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:39:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ONX5De084005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ONX16A089789; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ONWvY7089710 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A0DC3B106 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:32:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection--again Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:33:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <46F824A8.6020100@lavoltapress.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c399d9b-6b04-4f03-9fcd-79802960edf9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F84AB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO So any costume that is the daughter's stays with the daughter and should not be up for sale unless the daughter wishes to sell it. Right? De -----Original Message----- BTW, I don't see that a father has any claim on his children's (or stepchildren's, if that's the case) personal posessions in a divorce suit. He's not divorcing the daughter. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 19:44:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ONikv5004976 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:44:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8ONim1B023963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:44:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8ONiQeb087601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ONiPUl003024; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8ONiL76002970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.116] (209-148-118-116.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l8ONiIkV004532 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:44:21 -0700 Message-ID: <46F84BD2.9020804@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:44:18 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Valuation of collection--again References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09588d40-300b-470d-9a48-c20aee1e6329 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46F84BF0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, I'd think so. Fran otsisto wrote: > So any costume that is the daughter's stays with the daughter and should not > be up for sale unless the daughter wishes to sell it. Right? > > De > > -----Original Message----- > BTW, I don't see that a father has any claim on his children's (or > stepchildren's, if that's the case) personal posessions in a divorce > suit. He's not divorcing the daughter. > > Fran > > Lavolta Press wrote: > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 21:19:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P1Jx99007787 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:19:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8P1K17j021626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:20:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8P1Je30006864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P1JdTj000241; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail171.messagelabs.com (mail171.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8OLDwvJ013035 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: lisleong@k12.hi.us X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-171.messagelabs.com!1190668435!15058238!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [165.248.247.160] Received: (qmail 22909 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2007 21:13:56 -0000 Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (HELO mailrelay.k12.hi.us) (165.248.247.160) by server-5.tower-171.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2007 21:13:56 -0000 Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D95B3F37 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:13:55 -1000 (HST) Received: From webhost-1.k12.hi.us ([165.248.1.243]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 119066843256; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:13:52 -1000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:57:14 -1000 (HST) From: lisa To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets In-Reply-To: <46F533C4.3050903@reddawn.net> Message-ID: References: <000301c7fce1$1117c4c0$6501a8c0@dator1> <20070922102451.722ip52mkg4c8o04@www.goldsword.com> <46F533C4.3050903@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97dfad4a-14fc-408b-afb5-86644028d32a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F86241.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I'm not sure about the coif, not with my books right now. --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 21:20:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P1K6eA007793 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:20:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8P1K2nL016623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8P1IPFp006545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P1ILwb098573; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:18:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8OIwjh6030628 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:58:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20070924185835.RUEB28517.fep34.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:58:35 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.167]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070924185835.SCQJ11532.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:58:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:58:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.167] at Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:58:26 +0200 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ruffs on the head? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 342d187d-32ea-47ee-8b49-088048e36751 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F86242.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here i found an interresting article looking for ruffs. This is older though and not a collar but a headwear, medieval. Nice reconstruktion: http://www.aabne-samlinger.dk/naestved/historie/hoveddug.pdf Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 22:30:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P2UQ8p010031 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:30:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8P2USnE010678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:30:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8P2TJeK019472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:29:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P2TFqb065040; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P2TCI5064929 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=mQTlCEGSk/q76FTgHHkDRIETgbgXNAMGNrv6GDw/+uaFvKMen3GWtT8+VdXvfliv; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.121.55.205] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ia0Ac-0006Nh-Hu for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:29:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46F7776F.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> References: <200709231800.l8NI0ATB077957@net.indra.com> <46F7776F.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89CAEF6E-6050-44CF-A80D-4A46F88A65A7@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Dressing Jackets Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:26:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c93837e34de5d28c535e8c8ab6acdabfe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.121.55.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0dae000-b1c3-4f51-bbf3-cd830201a18d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F872C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 24, 2007, at 6:38 AM, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I finally found it on the web site: Accession number: 43.243 > > Again they only show the back of it, and in this lighting you can't > see > > how magnificently metallic it is. The museum now dates it to > 1610-1615. > > I wonder if they disproved the connection to Elizabeth I, who died in > 1603. Unlikely, I'd think. Barring the discovery of new documents, a connection with a famous person is pretty difficult either to prove or to disprove. The date says "about," which I would guess means they are probably fairly confident about which quarter of the 17th century it's from, and maybe the decade, but wouldn't want to narrow it down too much beyond that without some more research. The MFA Boston actually has a pretty decent textiles collection, but for a long time they had NO gallery space allotted to it, and even now there is only one textiles gallery. So most of the collection sits in storage. They do, however, make it fairly easy to purchase a good photo of many of their items, even if they're not on display. There might also be someone in the Boston area on this list who'd be interested in taking a closer look at it. (I'm only in that area for a couple of days twice a year or so, visiting my Dad.) In my experience, if you have a good reason to want to see something close up, you can usually make an appointment to see something "backstage" and take photos for your own private use. (You still probably won't be able to touch things -- a staff member will be with you, though, so things can be turned over for you to see both sides.) This type of jacket (obviously) is not knitted, but the MFA also does have several knitted jackets from about the same time period. If anyone's in the Yahoo [HistoricKnit] group, my photos of three of the knitted jackets from the MFA are in a photo album called "jackets" there. (That's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricKnit/ ) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Sep 24 23:19:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P3JOMs011880 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:19:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8P3JFnL023027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:19:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8P3H95I026436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P3H65v005924; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao05.charter.net (mtao05.charter.net [209.225.8.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P3H33T005851 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catdevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mtao05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070925031658.KLLY29426.mtao05.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:16:58 -0400 Received: from [24.205.8.140] by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070925031658.LYWF14098.aarprv06.charter.net@[24.205.8.140]> for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:16:58 -0400 Message-ID: <46F87DC5.5030003@alleycatscratch.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:17:25 -0700 From: Cat Devereaux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Subject: [h-cost] Valuation of collection Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fb47565-21bd-4d46-936a-6a1aaa4bebcc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F87E33.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Having gone some of this route myself... be very careful about validation. And don't get trapped into what he's saying. The "rules" for things like books and clothing are "garage sale prices". (Boy, did I skate by on my book collection. Tilki = $2 ) And, the reality is, if you try to sell the pieces... they sell as used. Not only are you likely to not get your labor, but not get your material costs at liquidation prices... which is what you've got to use. Don't be prideful and values them at what they're worth to you, or "insurance rates". Ex: My Snow Queen had over $1500 in materials alone and was in excellent condition. It could sized up and down a lot was covered in hand beading and crystal and all kinds of extras from wig to shoes. I worked on it for over 2 years to create a living sculpture Even with the most advertising I could muster, and selling near Halloween, it went for under $325. I couldn't even get e-bay sales on some of the other things because they were not what folks wanted. They ended up sold to neighbors and thrift shops for $25 to $35, even with hand beadings and embroidery... because to them they were just rental costumes... and not the flashy kind. (The exception was a flashy disaster of a t-tunic that had never been finished that folks fought over because they though it said Harry Potter... and I made money on that thing.) If your hubby argues at the low set prices. Ask if he'll split the cost of having someone come in and value them.... value-for-sale prices... and use a vintage clothing/costume dealer, not a "historic expert". IF he doesn't like it, ask him to do the work of listing the pieces you're selling on e-bay and see what you get (and then value the pieces you're keeping from the same prices.) There is NO need for you to dance to his tune. He's forfeit any claim at this point to even suggest. Go with the letter of the law. -Cat- Been there, done that, and even lost the t-shirt off my back.... but at least I have a spine now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 04:53:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P8rPXT025565 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:53:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8P8rRm7032688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:53:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8P8qMqq098166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P8qIqw088859; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8P8qDAd088771 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.49022518; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:51:48 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l8P8pkl17571.; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:51:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:50:36 +0100 Message-Id: <46F8D08602000014000DA9C9@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:10:30 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re:[h-cost] Ruffs in modern use References: <200709250317.l8P3H88L005948@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200709250317.l8P3H88L005948@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8dd157e8-5703-4217-ab0d-13e215a3d1d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F8CC87.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I like the fact that the lady uses an electric poking-stick (I can understand enough of the text to make that out)! British clergy don't wear ruffs, but some boy choristers wear pleated neckbands or other styles of archaic neckwear. My friends' son who was head chorister at Chichester Cathedral wore a falling-band. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 10:47:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PElXl8019649 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:47:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PElZ3G011327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:47:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PEkBar071057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PEk3fu027973; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PEjvc7027698 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] ruffs on the head? Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:45:52 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] ruffs on the head? Thread-Index: Acf/Ekhr7HIIJcJ4RW+pEZHpq+hjlgAbzNNg From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2457493-1271-4ed7-b7ef-4452f0eef5be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F91F87.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you're talking about the woman on the right, that's not a ruff per se, but rather a goffered veil, where a small ruffle has been woven into the edge of the veil as part of the cloth (there are a number of theories on how this was done) and the cloth is folded back and forth over the head a few times to build up the thick frill. Several enterprising weavers out there have done a reconstruction of the weave necessary, though I can't seem to find any decent links... Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com=20 >[mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:59 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] ruffs on the head? > >Here i found an interresting article looking for ruffs. This=20 >is older though and not a collar but a headwear, medieval. >Nice reconstruktion: > http://www.aabne-samlinger.dk/naestved/historie/hoveddug.pdf > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/=20 > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 11:11:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PFB4b1020363 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:11:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PFB6iP029005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:11:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PF9rnt078190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PF9mlb060422; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:09:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PF9fZp060121 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:09:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:09:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.101.49.114 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:09:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.101.49.114] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ruffs on the head? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh rats! We were going to try this ourselves. If you do find any links or sources who you know have done this but don't have anything up online, we'd love to know. Thanks, Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" Several enterprising weavers out there have done a reconstruction of the weave necessary, though I can't seem to find any decent links... Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 11:40:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PFe78w021096 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:40:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PFe9AC009726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:40:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PFdXLN088473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PFcvtb001247; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PFcq1j000925 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W41 ([65.55.136.76]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.176.170.193] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:38:45 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2007 15:38:45.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[286B5140:01C7FF8A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42ee9ba5-4559-45c8-bdda-aa654924b78c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46F92BD9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Oh rats! We were going to try this ourselves. If you do find any links or > sources who you know have done this but don't have anything up online, we= 'd > love to know. This article presents an in-depth analysis of the veil style and a proposed= weaving method tested by the author: "Giovanna Cenami's Veil: A Neglected Detail," by Carla Tilghman, in Medieval Clothing and Textiles 1, ed. Netherton and Owen= -Crocker (Boydell, 2005). Since then, Carla has become involved in an international project on these = veils, and from what I hear they are coming up with some astounding pieces = of evidence, including an extant piece (or two pieces?) of ruffled-edge wea= ving. Here's info on the project: http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/Projekter/kruselerprojekte.html I should note that the project head, Camilla Luise Dahl, has done a really = splendid article on an extant medieval linen cap (not frilled-edged) for th= e upcoming (2008) volume of MC&T. I can vouch for her work. Many of the oth= er names listed as involved in this project should be recognizable to membe= rs of this list. I know another member personally as a US re-enactor.=20 More from that group here if you read Danish (I don't): http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/nyhedsbrevjan07tilweb.pdf See pages 15-23 (three articles). The articles include pictures of the exta= nt piece (pieces?) of ruffle-edged fabric, and also pictures of various att= empts at reconstruction, including weaving and starching. That's all I can = get given how language-impaired I am. I will have to convince Camilla to publish this in English when they are al= l done. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf= =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 12:08:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PG8uut021704 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:08:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PG8wpG004095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:09:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PG7wm5098932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PG7lVn043280; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:07:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PG5KQX039579 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:05:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:05:06 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") Thread-Index: Acf/im61yiKwl+9pTjeHGu/pZugDsQAAePiA From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0abcb045-615a-4e81-82fd-19120279cd8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F9329A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO THANKS, Robin, those are great links!! I have a Danish friend and I've just asked her if she could translate = for us. Might take a little while, but probably sooner than getting the = busy people at the Center to get to it... So nice to see these; commercial variants are now available in the US = reenactor market, but they're constructed of flat cloth with a sewn-on = ruffle, and I just can't bring myself to do it. Not that a woven veil is = any closer to being on my head for seeing this article, but it's so good = to see the work being done (and inspirational to try it...) Fantasy vacation: 2 weeks at the Center.... This Danish friend of mine = visits there every year when she goes back to visit family and she raves = about the place... (Cue "If I Were a Rich Man" from Fiddler on the = Roof...) Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com=20 >[mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton >Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:39 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") > > >> Oh rats! We were going to try this ourselves. If you do find=20 >any links=20 >> or sources who you know have done this but don't have anything up=20 >> online, we'd love to know. > >This article presents an in-depth analysis of the veil style=20 >and a proposed weaving method tested by the author: > >"Giovanna Cenami's Veil: A Neglected Detail," by Carla=20 >Tilghman, in Medieval Clothing and Textiles 1, ed. Netherton=20 >and Owen-Crocker (Boydell, 2005). > >Since then, Carla has become involved in an international=20 >project on these veils, and from what I hear they are coming=20 >up with some astounding pieces of evidence, including an=20 >extant piece (or two pieces?) of ruffled-edge weaving. Here's=20 >info on the project: > >http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/Projekter/kruselerprojekte.html > >I should note that the project head, Camilla Luise Dahl, has=20 >done a really splendid article on an extant medieval linen cap=20 >(not frilled-edged) for the upcoming (2008) volume of MC&T. I=20 >can vouch for her work. Many of the other names listed as=20 >involved in this project should be recognizable to members of=20 >this list. I know another member personally as a US re-enactor.=20 > >More from that group here if you read Danish (I don't): > >http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/nyhedsbrevjan07tilweb.pdf > >See pages 15-23 (three articles). The articles include=20 >pictures of the extant piece (pieces?) of ruffle-edged fabric,=20 >and also pictures of various attempts at reconstruction,=20 >including weaving and starching. That's all I can get given=20 >how language-impaired I am. > >I will have to convince Camilla to publish this in English=20 >when they are all done. > >--Robin > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the=20 >Messenger Caf=E9. >http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline______ _________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 14:48:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PImFVm025414 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:48:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PImFbL031930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:48:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PIkoFx063919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PIjc0o079671; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PIiqqn078127 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 627256537-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.37.109 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAEf0+EZPSCVt/2dsb2JhbACBWA Received: from 79-72-37-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.37.109]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 25 Sep 2007 19:44:13 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070925194126.0342a9e0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:44:11 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44e56bd2-f584-4cc2-87a2-97ae280c713b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F957EF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 16:38 25/09/2007, you wrote: > > Oh rats! We were going to try this ourselves. If you do find any links or > > sources who you know have done this but don't have anything up online, we'd > > love to know. > >This article presents an in-depth analysis of the veil style and a >proposed weaving method tested by the author: > >"Giovanna Cenami's Veil: A Neglected Detail," by >Carla Tilghman, in Medieval Clothing and Textiles 1, ed. Netherton >and Owen-Crocker (Boydell, 2005). > >Since then, Carla has become involved in an international project on >these veils, and from what I hear they are coming up with some >astounding pieces of evidence, including an extant piece (or two >pieces?) of ruffled-edge weaving. Here's info on the project: > >http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/Projekter/kruselerprojekte.html > >I should note that the project head, Camilla Luise Dahl, has done a >really splendid article on an extant medieval linen cap (not >frilled-edged) for the upcoming (2008) volume of MC&T. I can vouch >for her work. Many of the other names listed as involved in this >project should be recognizable to members of this list. I know >another member personally as a US re-enactor. > >More from that group here if you read Danish (I don't): > >http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/nyhedsbrevjan07tilweb.pdf > >See pages 15-23 (three articles). The articles include pictures of >the extant piece (pieces?) of ruffle-edged fabric, and also pictures >of various attempts at reconstruction, including weaving and >starching. That's all I can get given how language-impaired I am. > >I will have to convince Camilla to publish this in English when they >are all done. It's interesting that some of the extant pieces seem to come from Burgos in Spain, where so much early textile evidence comes from. I don't remember seeing them when I saw an exhibition of grave finds from Burgos in Madrid a couple of years ago, but maybe they weren't on display, or maybe I didn't notice 0 the catalogue was very expensive. Yes, please, an English edition would be wonderful. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 15:29:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PJT637026644 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:29:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PJT8Ss029284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:29:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PJSEQb084571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PJS64N047604; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PJRa1S046698 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070925192726.LFTE24979.fep35.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:27:26 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.178]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070925192726.INYZ9006.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:27:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c7ffaa$2bb40610$b243a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:27:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.67.178] at Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:27:18 +0200 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be9c9680-c497-4d8f-b7b5-c211f8db4e08 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F96184.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh gosh Robin, thanks a lot for that link. It is very very interresting, and my how fantastic that they still have such old veils preserved! I didnt know they made such wonderfull magazines at the medieval center. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") > Oh rats! We were going to try this ourselves. If you do find any links or > sources who you know have done this but don't have anything up online, > we'd > love to know. This article presents an in-depth analysis of the veil style and a proposed weaving method tested by the author: "Giovanna Cenami's Veil: A Neglected Detail," by Carla Tilghman, in Medieval Clothing and Textiles 1, ed. Netherton and Owen-Crocker (Boydell, 2005). Since then, Carla has become involved in an international project on these veils, and from what I hear they are coming up with some astounding pieces of evidence, including an extant piece (or two pieces?) of ruffled-edge weaving. Here's info on the project: http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/Projekter/kruselerprojekte.html I should note that the project head, Camilla Luise Dahl, has done a really splendid article on an extant medieval linen cap (not frilled-edged) for the upcoming (2008) volume of MC&T. I can vouch for her work. Many of the other names listed as involved in this project should be recognizable to members of this list. I know another member personally as a US re-enactor. More from that group here if you read Danish (I don't): http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/nyhedsbrevjan07tilweb.pdf See pages 15-23 (three articles). The articles include pictures of the extant piece (pieces?) of ruffle-edged fabric, and also pictures of various attempts at reconstruction, including weaving and starching. That's all I can get given how language-impaired I am. I will have to convince Camilla to publish this in English when they are all done. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 16:16:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PKGrXH027585 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:16:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PKGo9I001612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:16:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PKFic7002944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PKFdO6019222; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.107]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PKFaWL019003 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.20]) by bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:15:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:15:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.101.49.114 by BAY133-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:15:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.101.49.114] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") 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We were going to try this ourselves. If you do find any links or > sources who you know have done this but don't have anything up online, > we'd > love to know. This article presents an in-depth analysis of the veil style and a proposed _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 16:56:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PKubvN028586 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:56:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PKudXo024382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:56:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PKtxQg016079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PKttr2077018; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PKtogC076731 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W9 ([65.55.136.44]) by bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.64.209.54] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") 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I am jealous. =20 --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf= =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 17:24:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PLOvIr029294 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:24:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8PLOxOH003356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:25:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8PLNu8T026669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:23:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PLNqS4017511; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8PLNn8J017341 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W34 ([65.55.136.69]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:23:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.94.94.252] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:23:43 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2007 21:23:44.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[59FFE150:01C7FFBA] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3d4b0cd-7c6b-4428-b2b2-8bfbdb750d4c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46F97CAB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mig= ration_HM_mini_5G_0907= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 21:48:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q1mQdg004747 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:48:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8Q1mSGw004119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:48:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8Q1lNCd007492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q1lJpW027050; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:47:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep9.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q1lGCI026988 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vhickey2@cogeco.ca) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (d38-247-32.home1.cgocable.net [72.38.247.32]) by fep9.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE962611 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46F9BA20.6000808@cogeco.ca> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:47:12 -0400 From: Valerie Hickey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] online brag books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7346f4a-8aff-4a29-8a16-16a87647732f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46F9BA6C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 23:04:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q34NAV007114 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:04:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8Q34LMc027880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:04:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8Q338UH025864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q335TT099946; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q332Yf099795 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:03:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2007092603025601300ha825e>; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:02:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:02:55 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ancient Egyptian garment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbc0f034-efb8-4c47-8fd9-1d6ea2670ec9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46F9CC35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Sep 25 23:58:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q3whld009015 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:58:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8Q3wjxd010189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:58:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8Q3wF8A034676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q3wD9h045419; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8Q3wAwB045317 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=a+b/04xRphS26CUGF22X4AV901BNZ0A2sbM70lHkIcr5BXkxQWzlTRfYX0DB60SN; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [208.64.241.134] (helo=[192.168.1.104]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IaO2G-0001iq-Fn for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:58:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> References: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> Message-Id: <64C3536E-1DED-4DA3-BF32-D6D7432E901D@earthlink.net> From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] ancient Egyptian garment Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:58:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4785103c254a80fd57db27fb08a347b4d97c371443ee70fa11b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 208.64.241.134 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8a51ef6-e005-45ad-8388-a237125e8ad2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46F9D8F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I thought I had saved it but now I can't find the article someone =20 > posted about an ancient beaded Egyptian dress that was discovered =20 > some time ago. It included a photo of the garment. I wanted to =20 > show my class. Anyone have the link, if it still exists? There are a couple of dresses (or fragments of dresses) of this type =20 that I've run across. At the moment I'm away from home, so going off =20= what's on the computer, it's cited in "Hall 1981" which I think must be: Hall, Rosalind. 1981. "Fishing-net dreses in the Petrie Museum" in =20= G=F6ttinger Miszellen: 42:36-46. But also in: Hall, Rosalind. 1986. Egyptian Textiles. Shire Publications, =20 Aylesbury. ISBN 0-85263-800-0 which is more likely to have a color photo. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 07:23:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QBNj1E011631 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:23:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QBNlY5029514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:23:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QBMcmn087752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QBMYvI003075; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QBMUwg002905 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sigridkitty@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY108-W35 ([65.54.162.135]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:22:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.114.141.247] From: Sigrid Briansdotter To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] ancient Egyptian garment Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:22:25 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> References: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2007 11:22:25.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[83E9CE20:01C8002F] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef7fd433-0778-4750-8294-ba5e1dda70a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FA4143.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Perhaps you mean this one? the "Textiles in the Petrie Museum Schools' Pack= ." http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/Textiles%20in%20the%20Petrie%20Museum.doc =20 The museums Teacher's Pack. http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/arabic/Petrie_KS2_Packv_2.doc =20 The Petrie Museum has a picture of the dress online. http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/detail/details/index_no_login.php?objectid=3DUC= 17743&accesscheck=3D%2Fdetail%2Fdetails%2Findex.php =20 Here is a photo someone else took. Depending on the age of the class I don'= t nkow that I'd show the article. http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/sexuality.html =20 Another side view. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/FriendsofPetrie/pages/Projects.html =20 A search on The Petrie Museum Bead Dress brings up quite a bit but I think = the first one I list is perhaps the article you were thinking of. =20 Regards, Anne Marie Decker > I thought I had saved it but now I can't find the article someone > poste= d about an ancient beaded Egyptian dress that was discovered some > time ag= o. It included a photo of the garment. I wanted to show my > class. Anyone = have the link, if it still exists?> > Sylrog= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 07:59:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QBxm2A012802 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:59:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QBxovl002682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:59:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QBxLn5093384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QBxKRT038916; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QBxHDV038796 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1955055wxc for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:59:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uFg2CoxuVEs4p0Hqs70C0eUZL0dyaQZmwBf/upWu4+w=; b=Dy4tnsGhYV9CPRzFuC2bI7WFmUyM12lKFK12y/OQqcIURuX1HSGORbz8VDrY1k7Nl1HSKRKiWzYjkpgeFvGkdtr2i2Qqd/T+oSXBddKVsEU5dRRiD/BRmNSzCJ7oiMmqjDER4fjlYXV6yZ13qxlyfaG2GsJjSqk//2iA7XZ8BY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HYIsbXGoUowBUrGDspUHBBAnFKTEovEFWICuwLNtjlVXPYN0XIlpBWuUkXRr5F7jrDuHO5uZH06hg3RCPakgQ5YSSXufZ1n0TQd3+BsU9MJp27VhrnQRirXiEi2owMFPXP5G1gja6QuK0vNwwhRXSyVipHvgtvv+vpZF5Dg6lyo= Received: by 10.90.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr554728agb.1190807954322; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.5 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070709260459of4bd429te7f9ba7da5ac533d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:59:14 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] ancient Egyptian garment In-Reply-To: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f3ff147-3745-4369-8e05-a85a3eb01d45 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FA49B6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I found the on-line reference for the beaded dress at the Museum of fine arts in Boston: (or you can search by accession #: 27.1548.1 at http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp) http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=3Dtrue&id=3D146531&co= ll_keywords=3Dbead+dress&coll_accession=3D&coll_name=3D&coll_artist=3D&coll= _place=3D&coll_medium=3D&coll_culture=3Degypt&coll_classification=3D&coll_c= redit=3D&coll_provenance=3D&coll_location=3D&coll_has_images=3D&coll_on_vie= w=3D&coll_sort=3D2&coll_sort_order=3D0&coll_view=3D0&coll_package=3D0&coll_= start=3D1 Their description follows. Katy Beadnet dress Egyptian, Old Kingdom, Dynasty 4, reign of Khufu, 2551=962528 B.C. Findspot: Giza, Egypt Length x width: 113 x 44 cm (44 1/2 x 17 5/16 in.) Faience Classification: Costumes On view in the: Egyptian Old Kingdom (Hetepheres) Gallery The main body of the dress consists of faience beads strung in a lozenge pattern. A line of dark blue cylinder beads marks the division between the skirt and the bodice. The halter-shaped bodice consists of alternating rows of cylinder beads and the lozenge pattern. Light and dark blue floral beads hang from the bottom edge of the garment. This portion of a bead net dress was reconstructed from approximately 7,000 beads found in an undisturbed burial (see photographs). Although their string had disintegrated, a few beads still lay in their original pattern. Such garments are frequently shown on painted statues or in tomb wall scenes (see drawing), but this is the earliest surviving actual example of such a garment. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston Harvard University=97Boston Museum of Fine Arts Expedition, 1927 Accession number: 27.1548.1 Provenance/Ownership History: From Giza, tomb G 7440 Z. 1927: excavated by the Harvard University-Museum of Fine Arts Expedition; 1927: assigned to the MFA by the government of Egypt. (Accession Date: May 27, 1987) On 9/25/07, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I thought I had saved it but now I can't find the article someone > posted about an ancient beaded Egyptian dress that was discovered some > time ago. It included a photo of the garment. I wanted to show my > class. Anyone have the link, if it still exists? > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --=20 Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 08:11:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QCBV1u013233 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:11:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QCBSun015973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:11:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QCBAt7094848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QCB7CV049237; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QCB40G049189 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:11:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13D970024C for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ancient Egyptian garment Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:10:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200709260810.30300.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd2b7f25-bbff-4225-a237-c054c2584f53 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FA4C71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wednesday 26 September 2007, Sigrid Briansdotter wrote: > Perhaps you mean this one? the "Textiles in the Petrie Museum Schools' > Pack." > http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/Textiles%20in%20the%20Petrie%20Museum.doc Thanks for posting this! It's a gold mine of information, whether it's what Sylvia was looking for or not. -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 08:13:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QCDprl013284 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:13:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QCDrB7021920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:13:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QC9J4O094600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:09:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QC9HV5047636; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QC9FLW047586 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAAB70024C for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:08:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ancient Egyptian garment Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:08:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200709260808.40974.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ee6f54c-f7d0-41cb-8153-f67ac12bb671 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46FA4D01.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I thought I had saved it but now I can't find the article someone > posted about an ancient beaded Egyptian dress that was discovered some > time ago. It included a photo of the garment. I wanted to show my > class. Anyone have the link, if it still exists? I posted a cite to an article by Rosalind Janessen (nee Hall) about several of such dresses. I made JPEGs of each page of the article, which had a number of color photographs. It was in KMT magazine, but I'm having trouble finding the volume or year. However, the title was "An Ancient Egyptian Erotic Fashion: Fishnet Dresses." I can send you the JPEGs by private e-mail, if you like. -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 15:56:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QJuKYC002804 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:56:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QJuMQD031604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QJt78b081480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QJt0KU034448; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:55:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8QJsSkU033747 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13452 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2007 19:54:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VefME35wNWB/OnThnnGUQ3ipWDpp1JU/VvCRNfj83sZQV3KeU+60tPDbSXR5b3n3Pp6dMCFKxZ3pg9W7CqqYqNxwgZS17fws1ayghpl3ziwurPrnuOpSHbGXULqxPzozGzInIBPHgHjFzudpuCWYA0uRtTNRtKvpuMXLUMc8Fwc=; X-YMail-OSG: JO4llBEVM1kuLCiVW6AkpDztoQ5G_yUuU3rF2V9PCPkxevJRoggUBso34q_rqkqzerJwLE0VsIn6lZoQPgm0QzcN7KvogOAm4pK7a_tFVVkbgXN7hh4- Received: from [208.179.44.208] by web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:54:16 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <512981.11783.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eaa69db5-4ac7-484b-9cd8-b219d1589129 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46FAB966.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've never heard of this woven frilled edge before. I expect it explains the complex but seamless frill on the veil in the Arnolfini Wedding portrait, wouldn't it? http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1434_arnolfini_lady_sm.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/39cq3c MaggiRos Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 16:27:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QKRWvK004044 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:27:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QKRYMi018425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QKR1p3087787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QKQsBw075949; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:26:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QKQlmX075814 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.133.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.133]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IadT2-00070a-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:26:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38EBB1F1-7E5F-46F4-B3EB-8066C3E0D56F@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:28:48 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71001b17-fd96-4063-adc7-81073b2e020e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FAC0B6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello the list. A request for some assistance in finding a pattern or a good image. I've been cast in a murder-mystery evening, to take place the night of October 26. The venue is a fabulous mansion on the Connecticut shore, recently restored and elegantly decorated. The mansion was in its heyday 1910-1940. The mystery is set in 1926. I play the nouveau-riche wife of a corrupt U.S. senator. I am active in the charitable groups Friends of Small Rodents, American Wives for Access to Mixed Drinks, and Citizens for a Wealthier America. I'm known for my large, garish hats. Beyond that the script does not specify. As for me the actual person in the role, I'm 61, middle height, considerably more than middle girth, long white-and-blonde hair that can be put up in almost any style. My huge collection of feathers and costume jewelry is meant to serve Shakespearean productions, but I'm sure I've got some things in there that would flash in an appropriately roaring style to embellish whatever I wind up wearing. We're responsible for our own costumes. One of the community theaters will be contributing some things, but there isn't anything in their collection that seems to me to be "right" for Eunice Carver. I won't have time to sew, but a friend who often works with me on costuming shows I direct has offered to make me whatever I want! The 'Twenties is DEFINITELY NOT my period as a costumer, director, or aficionado, so I turn to the ever-resourceful List for suggestions. Pattern suggestions would be most helpful, since my friend works best with patterns; failing that, some good pictures (online if possible) we could look at. Thanks in advance! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy, amateur costumer, and Friend of Small Rodents _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 16:45:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QKjg8U004570 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:45:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QKjjhp031453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:45:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QKjGcX090848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QKjCJM098017; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:45:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QKj9Q2097957 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A6D3F2E80EE for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:33:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 2AB7E2E80E7 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:33:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAEE240057 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:45:08 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:45:06 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38EBB1F1-7E5F-46F4-B3EB-8066C3E0D56F@mindspring.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Thread-Index: AcgAe5uWLcxfr7EaSRy0/mp1Piu/5QAAEljg References: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> <38EBB1F1-7E5F-46F4-B3EB-8066C3E0D56F@mindspring.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e6b5e3d-9840-4ced-8fa6-1668e01eb10d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FAC4F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You may be nouveau riche, but if you are a senator's wife, you wouldn't dress in the latest fashions. Wide hats were still worn in the summer and by women of a certain age. For yourself, you would want to show off that beautiful long hair in one of the complicated styles all braids and buns for those that didn't believe in cutting their hair. =20 You wouldn't be too conservative--maybe a candy cigarette(if you don't smoke)in a showy, diamante-studded holder might be in order. Pearls would be a must. The Dover book : Fashions of the 1920's from B. Altman's might prove helpful. Women of a "certain age" and not thin, were openly designated as stout in the fashion mags and catalogs of the day and mostly limited to black, grey, and navy blue for color choices. But shoes were often ornate and with access to your own modiste, and also the funds for Chanel, Paquin, Worth, Jenny, and even Poiret, you could have something made that would really make a splash, to heck with being a Washington wife. Sources would be 1926 films. Also many libraries have Harper's Bazaar, Vogue, or McCalls on microfilm if you can't find the gold mine of actual issues. See Harper House at longago.com (I think) for 1920's patterns. I'm not a '20's-holic but these sources would be where I would start. Good luck Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:29 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Hello the list. A request for some assistance in finding a pattern or a good image. I've been cast in a murder-mystery evening, to take place the night of October 26. The venue is a fabulous mansion on the Connecticut shore, recently restored and elegantly decorated. The mansion was in its heyday 1910-1940. The mystery is set in 1926. I play the nouveau-riche wife of a corrupt U.S. senator. I am active in the charitable groups Friends of Small Rodents, American Wives for Access to Mixed Drinks, and Citizens for a Wealthier America. I'm known for my large, garish hats. Beyond that the script does not specify. As for me the actual person in the role, I'm 61, middle height, considerably more than middle girth, long white-and-blonde hair that can be put up in almost any style. My huge collection of feathers and costume jewelry is meant to serve Shakespearean productions, but I'm sure I've got some things in there that would flash in an appropriately roaring style to embellish whatever I wind up wearing. We're responsible for our own costumes. One of the community theaters will be contributing some things, but there isn't anything in their collection that seems to me to be "right" for Eunice Carver. I won't have time to sew, but a friend who often works with me on costuming shows I direct has offered to make me whatever I want! The 'Twenties is DEFINITELY NOT my period as a costumer, director, or aficionado, so I turn to the ever-resourceful List for suggestions. =20 Pattern suggestions would be most helpful, since my friend works best with patterns; failing that, some good pictures (online if possible) we could look at. Thanks in advance! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy, amateur costumer, and Friend of Small Rodents _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 17:06:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QL6Gc1005217 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:06:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QL6IXp010694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:06:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QL5Hf7094103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QL5CUK021699; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QL4rT0021350 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W23 ([65.55.136.58]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:04:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.94.94.252] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Frilled-edge veils (was: "ruffs on the head?") Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:04:48 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <512981.11783.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <512981.11783.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2007 21:04:48.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF964400:01C80080] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45013f57-6c6c-45bd-9112-189796631650 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FAC9CA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > I've never heard of this woven frilled edge before. I> expect it explains= the complex but seamless frill on> the veil in the Arnolfini Wedding portr= ait, wouldn't> it?> > http://www.virtue.to/articles/images/1434_arnolfini_l= ady_sm.jpg> or> http://tinyurl.com/39cq3c Van Eyck painted a number of those frilled-edge veils, and he gives us a ve= ry good view of that seamless transition. Carla Tilghman focused on another= of his paintings as one of her examples in her MC&T article about the poss= ible weaving method. =20 --Robin =20 _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 17:49:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QLnNPD006295 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:49:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QLnPTp009768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:49:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QLmusU001603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QLmsfg073974; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:48:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QLmmRv073865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.36] (209-148-118-36.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l8QLmkh8004661 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:48:47 -0700 Message-ID: <46FAD3C0.5020007@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:48:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 References: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> <38EBB1F1-7E5F-46F4-B3EB-8066C3E0D56F@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3fc6c8da-5b22-4bae-b0cc-3fad5ce555f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46FAD3E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would suggest some showy (but fake) jewelry in geometric art-deco-styled designs. Rectangular "baguette" stones are good. Diamonds, sapphires, emeralds, rubies. Filigree settings are also good. Marcasite/rhinestones are good. If you want to splurge a little on some repro jewelry that is affordable to the modern middle classes without being total junk, try this website: http://www.jansjewells.com/reproduction/filigreependant.htm The fun thing about the 1920s, IMO, is that you don't have to exhibit discreet good taste. Fran Grimble Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Abel, Cynthia wrote: > You may be nouveau riche, but if you are a senator's wife, you wouldn't > dress in the latest fashions. Wide hats were still worn in the summer > and by women of a certain age. For yourself, you would want to show off > that beautiful long hair in one of the complicated styles all braids and > buns for those that didn't believe in cutting their hair. > > You wouldn't be too conservative--maybe a candy cigarette(if you don't > smoke)in a showy, diamante-studded holder might be in order. Pearls > would be a must. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 17:51:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QLp3QF006343 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:51:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QLp6LP013234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:51:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QLonfV001771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:50:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QLol0I076030; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QLofgm075916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.36] (209-148-118-36.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l8QLodIw005624 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:50:40 -0700 Message-ID: <46FAD431.8030100@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:50:41 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb443a49-6a7e-4b1f-80b3-596467dd27f5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46FAD44A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 18:15:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QMF4uQ006903 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:15:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QMF6vv010969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QMDwCU005011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:13:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QMDsTh001602; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QMDovN001537 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.133.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.133]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Iaf8f-0005mV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:13:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <46FAD3C0.5020007@lavoltapress.com> References: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> <38EBB1F1-7E5F-46F4-B3EB-8066C3E0D56F@mindspring.com> <46FAD3C0.5020007@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:15:52 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6f6809e-f8bb-418d-baca-203fa059f613 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46FAD9EA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, bless you, Fran. Out comes my marcasite collection! I almost never have an excuse to wear any of the 40 rings and assorted brooches I haven't been able to resist over the years.... And thanks, Cynthia, for the cigarette suggestion. There's no way we would be permitted to smoke in this mansion, but the candy cigarette would be a perfect touch. And my Queen Elizabeth ropes of pearls will work. Having fun already.... --Ruth Anne On Sep 26, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > I would suggest some showy (but fake) jewelry in geome tric art- > deco-styled designs. Rectangular "baguette" stones are good. > Diamonds, sapphires, emeralds, rubies. Filigree settings are also > good. Marcasite/rhinestones are good. > > If you want to splurge a little on some repro jewelry that is > affordable to the modern middle classes without being total junk, > try this website: > > http://www.jansjewells.com/reproduction/filigreependant.htm > > The fun thing about the 1920s, IMO, is that you don't have to > exhibit discreet good taste. > > Fran Grimble > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > Abel, Cynthia wrote: > >> You may be nouveau riche, but if you are a senator's wife, you >> wouldn't >> dress in the latest fashions. Wide hats were still worn in the summer >> and by women of a certain age. For yourself, you would want to >> show off >> that beautiful long hair in one of the complicated styles all >> braids and >> buns for those that didn't believe in cutting their hair. You >> wouldn't be too conservative--maybe a candy cigarette(if you don't >> smoke)in a showy, diamante-studded holder might be in order. Pearls >> would be a must. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Sep 26 19:21:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QNLf4I008615 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:21:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8QNLhPT031347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:21:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8QNKek1013609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QNKYdQ066857; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8QNKUBP066686 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 21660 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2007 23:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.150.3 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2007 23:20:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: v2IuCoIVM1lhQvccYgbc9qvXCDzaiuC9v8zFHxKmSY4T_3qxQbVIgpZ55bfmZ5Y8Sj1ntitgIRnw8w6MFvpIywJqZVs- Message-ID: <002101c80093$d28fefa0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711> <38EBB1F1-7E5F-46F4-B3EB-8066C3E0D56F@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:20:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 880ac4fc-6fec-493f-81da-117a760fe744 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46FAE987.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ruth Anne, You might take a look at the wonderful costumes in the new Poiret book...some smashing evening coats that were meant to 'make the scene'! Also there are some charming dresses/gowns in the Wardrobe for Queen Maude of Norway. Also, the fairly recent volume of the dressmaker's trade in Ohio, the title of which escapes me. Quite a few pics of the time period. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 > Hello the list. > A request for some assistance in finding a pattern or a good image. > > I've been cast in a murder-mystery evening, to take place the night of > October 26. > > The venue is a fabulous mansion on the Connecticut shore, recently > restored and elegantly decorated. The mansion was in its heyday > 1910-1940. > > The mystery is set in 1926. > > I play the nouveau-riche wife of a corrupt U.S. senator. I am active in > the charitable groups Friends of Small Rodents, American Wives for Access > to Mixed Drinks, and Citizens for a Wealthier America. I'm known for my > large, garish hats. Beyond that the script does not specify. > > As for me the actual person in the role, I'm 61, middle height, > considerably more than middle girth, long white-and-blonde hair that can > be put up in almost any style. My huge collection of feathers and costume > jewelry is meant to serve Shakespearean productions, but I'm sure I've > got some things in there that would flash in an appropriately roaring > style to embellish whatever I wind up wearing. > > We're responsible for our own costumes. One of the community theaters > will be contributing some things, but there isn't anything in their > collection that seems to me to be "right" for Eunice Carver. I won't have > time to sew, but a friend who often works with me on costuming shows I > direct has offered to make me whatever I want! > > The 'Twenties is DEFINITELY NOT my period as a costumer, director, or > aficionado, so I turn to the ever-resourceful List for suggestions. > Pattern suggestions would be most helpful, since my friend works best > with patterns; failing that, some good pictures (online if possible) we > could look at. > > Thanks in advance! > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy, amateur costumer, and Friend of Small Rodents > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 00:51:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R4p9E8017603 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:51:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8R4pBYO023433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8R4oAqq048216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R4o56h034551; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:50:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra2.swissinfo.org (barra2.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R4o1KR034427 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1190867813-36ee00700000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.76:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra2.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 0251994DE3A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra2.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id GiCC6HECkfmaAEu7 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:36:53 +0200 (CEST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800D70696 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:56:15 +0200 Message-ID: <07a801c800ba$82c7fa40$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c7fedc$f76b67e0$a714a150@CPQ21932199711><38EBB1F1-7E5F-46F4-B3EB-8066C3E0D56F@mindspring.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:57:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1190867814 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cfb75e1-bfaf-46eb-962d-38eedc065b5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46FB36BF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mmmm, Harold Lloyd. -E "Don't need no steenken Chaplin" House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 01:56:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R5uNb7019673 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:56:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8R5uP5m016282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:56:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8R5tG0s053431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R5t1lb079142; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:55:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4c.socket.net [216.106.48.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R5sv9e079089 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:54:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E4DC38AA7 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:54:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38EBB1F1-7E5F-46F4-B3EB-8066C3E0D56F@mindspring.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb1cb989-dd47-478a-a042-dd40f9acb647 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FB4609.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.fashion-era.com/1920s/1925_fashion_mccalls_aug_2.htm http://www.vintageblues.com/history2b.htm http://www.tias.com/12939/InventoryPage/1928708/1.html This is probably what you are looking for http://www.fashion-era.com/1920s_pictures.htm http://www.costumegallery.com/1923/ http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/index.shtml http://www.vintagetextile.com/1920s_to_1930s.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item6114.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4496.htm cloak http://www.antiquedress.com/item4046.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4702.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item3896.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4242.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item2681.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item3041.htm day dress http://www.antiquedress.com/item3826.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item2538.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item2690.htm Hope this helps De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 03:50:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R7ol7j016098 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:50:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8R7on4O001719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:50:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8R7nc5R061505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R7nY9i064296; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra2.swissinfo.org (barra2.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8R7nU31064170 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1190878853-6c7200070000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.76:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra2.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 256FD6B1AC1 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:40:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra2.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id b0kuWLXEs4w9hoiD for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:40:53 +0200 (CEST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800D77781 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:20:27 +0200 Message-ID: <07c301c800d7$09a78000$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:21:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1190878853 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 533b698b-76f5-456d-9549-7856dea2168c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46FB60D9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I am now very confident about my own potential! --Ruth Anne On Sep 27, 2007, at 3:21 AM, E House wrote: > For images of the era, if you go to: > http://www.loc.gov and do a search for 1926, you'll find more than > you know what to do with, especially here: > http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/pphome.html and here: > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html > > -E > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 09:12:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RDC7kE019392 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:12:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RDB92G018101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RD9o0T098491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RD9kZi055970; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from c-spam-01.awin.com (c-spam-01.awin.com [204.13.216.10]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RD9fIw055630 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tori.Ruhl@awin.com) Received: from AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com (unverified [10.200.20.102]) by c-spam-01.awin.com (TMA SMTPRS 4.4.568.30) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:11:34 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 10.200.20.102=OK;Tori.Ruhl@awin.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 10.200.20.102=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 10.200.20.102=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from INET3-MTA by AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:09:21 -0700 Message-Id: <46FB49030200005E0002CAC5@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:09:07 -0700 From: "Tori Ruhl" To: References: <200709261800.l8QI0XDU087131@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200709261800.l8QI0XDU087131@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46FBABEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Tori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 09:44:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RDiC7w020281 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:44:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RDiE6d009956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:44:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RDhjFk007085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RDhgxS096567; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8RDhaBY096333 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 60230 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2007 13:43:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lyDUjl4VM1kAwJwTUAWs6fFtuzUiiF1NzErf9W3eNay2a26aaqUvCfYoxUe23NyMJ4pse0jvr8Dfr7ZwbMK5U8lEvTk5lpDE6PWXG8un8gpPt2DPWvw- Received: from [86.149.159.103] by web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:43:28 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46FB49030200005E0002CAC5@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <485221.59844.qm@web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4e10dfc-f1f9-4ff7-bbc7-8df6060ab189 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46FBB3AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Tori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 09:55:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RDt3nR020651 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:55:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RDt5WK000941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:55:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RDsjQh011174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RDshvV013491; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8RDsd44013311 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65780 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2007 13:54:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GYPj9J/7T8h21SOcMvFAuAqf15wICcOwZN1lCYodLlHYafZVo3qJMhsxsJhmNbWUx60zvtMRbQqBJ+WZMx3fqPIRNIHXPMl6OkLNKplC7Zgzrl4lUTk+nQBCF9Ck1DNvefexI4HI+E1hF9Oj3l9O+ZEQvWHq/26f+M5WDIVqzuE=; X-YMail-OSG: ULB8ViYVM1mBlgAKMj3J3jTN7_9mk4nf3reLia5PQ_f_rvHliY7KAK3W1R0fKHoT1HLKIkPFJgB3pvmuVYrjFqnvYM1Q1vEQ_8xBgyiNIgxN4n1ArMMUGn7EnjltuQ-- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:54:34 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <485221.59844.qm@web1014.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <339445.65580.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3d0cf39-7872-47ff-a880-45b5f97d0c67 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FBB639.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Tori _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 11:01:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RF1KR8022930 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:01:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RF1MIJ008588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:01:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RF0BIP023796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:00:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RF05nO003634; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8RExvTG003328 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:59:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 15899 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2007 14:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.150.3 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2007 14:59:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: D4KxS9EVM1l8OqY4R9x.U4oHt1mGZ.HC17yr9rKyzOhPxhv2yhNV43DMcsbCqwYAE3hEQpqiC29539SnGGqGpecGW.LU8C_pCNVNvbuI9mCd5fIpQ0lp Message-ID: <004701c80117$0f582690$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <339445.65580.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:59:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a3330181-75de-4b06-a5ee-ce2ac98f7b5e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FBC5C2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Haven't seen their catalogue lately, but I believe Greenberg and Hammer have carried it in the past...or any other notion company that serves the garment making industry. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas > You can probably get horsehair felt at a reupholstry store. They use is > for making those nice comfy chairs and sofa's before they used foam. > I know a couple of stores here in Denmark that sells horsehair canvas, but > that is probably not an option for you > > Tania > > Beteena Paradise wrote: I found a fabric > store that sells hair canvas but it is goat, not horse. And it is pretty > expensive at around $32 per yard: > > http://www.habermanfabrics.com/scart/Lining_and_Interfacing.htm > > > Tori Ruhl wrote: > Does anyone know where one could purchase horsehair canvas? > Or horsehair felt for that matter. > > Thanks! > Tori > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 11:03:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RF3DXH022997 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:03:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RF3Fmi000307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:03:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RF2p3U024050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RF2mmu007634; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8RF2hQZ007391 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:02:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 51913 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2007 15:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.150.3 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2007 15:02:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qMmJXL8VM1luXpQstl3lh7M8hWT7vwHiFsa9Kau5sPDf3fNClaRL9N2EFR4NKsuK6kxFDq1WSSjz.d879FswSMktjdxRxqbYzpy.0Xgesd8kyBZC1E4b Message-ID: <004a01c80117$72eba2e0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <339445.65580.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:02:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9afaa91a-97a5-4935-95df-b99ddf199929 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FBC633.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you google it, there are many companies listed...USA. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas > You can probably get horsehair felt at a reupholstry store. They use is > for making those nice comfy chairs and sofa's before they used foam. > I know a couple of stores here in Denmark that sells horsehair canvas, but > that is probably not an option for you > > Tania > > Beteena Paradise wrote: I found a fabric > store that sells hair canvas but it is goat, not horse. And it is pretty > expensive at around $32 per yard: > > http://www.habermanfabrics.com/scart/Lining_and_Interfacing.htm > > > Tori Ruhl wrote: > Does anyone know where one could purchase horsehair canvas? > Or horsehair felt for that matter. > > Thanks! > Tori > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 15:13:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RJDhFD031747 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:13:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RJDcAe008574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:13:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RJCFIA080489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RJBwZW064582; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8RJBpam064278 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89180 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2007 19:11:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UtgBylvtX1T+Ni51T0Vc0pJz2RAmkIS0Nty4UiQ3VVJhtxqQRZm/mWqp5QsE+4yi+SfEbO6i/MFvsSGqpiUwgYE73wsIFuFk+aqyGMDV4flQHQI5LCr2GGuJ+MmZoLORZZmFMlprqIyiI/4zETQPbKmqU7w4MqNFMj9VWcokbcQ=; X-YMail-OSG: VP28FDcVM1kbed8jwJZdT_6z3RIGvmxhXwXN_ppcdo.cQ6CuMwQvB7SbI3r2znql2i71DA_SVA9SI5T40lpdMj34.Ws0zlzBM_EoxzU1wNZX67HQGNs- Received: from [208.179.44.208] by web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:11:45 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <594134.89167.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d447006f-1135-4347-96e4-a0fe21ef0297 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46FC00E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The patterns at Harper House are mostly Folklore. Great patterns at Decades of Style, too. http://www.decadesofstyle.com Many of them proportioned up to larger sizes than most of Folkware--although they (folkware) are starting to see the light. MaggiRos --- "Abel, Cynthia" wrote: > Sources would be 1926 films. Also many libraries > have Harper's Bazaar, > Vogue, or McCalls on microfilm if you can't find the > gold mine of actual > issues. See Harper House at longago.com (I think) > for 1920's patterns. > > I'm not a '20's-holic but these sources would be > where I would start. > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 16:31:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RKVCXZ002332 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:31:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RKVEYZ029183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:31:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RKUBjK095980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RKU3sk073143; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:30:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RKTfAk072657 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from renfabrics@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so404848ana for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:29:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=JkAupBGwomuzuMdwYi45cxfKgLBQHezPkQbJNrCLvz0=; b=QILqRR9zYQdmOZN4GDBh65dHPF0jkuGWA9M9E0rYUBYSEoHSDHIj9u6hPn9TrGOMvOD512fR0hnULo17CJvgbMg5SXxoEWFVn7eRWvnfH3izC27SiIupR8S3vzT+sXXE9WdsWBy/LsgO5wwqZE06dzxHgXQjZJQb1QVh6a0B3II= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PulK+Kvm8MTwWqd7wnztjEKbEKBue9zb5vuzwPVQAugskjz+IeG9yQVWPjABN5yyLZn2mP3Mzf1xl2zo/4F3D1El7im/rtgZEdbyx52CfSn7Wq80vsTEikhSrsIKgK1oZExk5DAatPvMtwBdUdWASg9RO1rZUTN0FmrCqPh4gvc= Received: by 10.141.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr1141179rvj.1190924976878; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.101.14 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:29:36 -1000 From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas In-Reply-To: <46FB49030200005E0002CAC5@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200709261800.l8QI0XDU087131@net.indra.com> <46FB49030200005E0002CAC5@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ee29580-5b73-4361-bdfb-a9d91c3a6bc8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46FC1312.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Tori, I sell hair canvas that is made with goat hair and wool. You can see it here: http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/cgi-bin/showAll.cgi?id=317 It is mainly used in tailoring men's suits but may work for your project. Diana On 9/27/07, Tori Ruhl wrote: > > Does anyone know where one could purchase horsehair canvas? > Or horsehair felt for that matter. > > Thanks! > Tori > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see int he world"--Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 17:04:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RL4Gub003560 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:04:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RL4IOE010165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:04:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RL3Z5L001909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RL3WJ8019602; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RDGjen063474 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:16:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c10.1d3e1992 (48624) for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:16:24 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Black lace trim X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77401e38-988e-4c42-a57e-2959cd12f7e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FC1AD2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 17:04:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RL4TB8003568 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:04:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8RL4WhN011687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:04:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8RL4CYq002035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:04:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RL4Asw020419; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:04:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8RDIRA8065340 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d4d.eb529d2 (48624) for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:18:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:18:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Horse Hair Canvas To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f01322b-3128-4847-8750-cf5b6e4e2de3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FC1AE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 9/27/2007 9:10:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tori.Ruhl@awin.com writes: Does anyone know where one could purchase horsehair canvas? Do you mean hair canvas interfacing? It is actually wool and goat hair, not horsehair. Here is an on-line source--I've not ordered from them, as I can get it locally at G Street Fabrics. _http://www.habermanfabrics.com/scart/Lining_and_Interfacing.htm_ (http://www.habermanfabrics.com/scart/Lining_and_Interfacing.htm) Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Sep 27 23:55:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8S3t5KM019394 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:55:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8S3t7bq022535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:55:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8S3mBx0059897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8S3leS5029352; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8S3laZF029235 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:47:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=ccMKSZIS6bZa9WdawWdoschOPk1FFQ5IiHKjJcV20N2P3naiAcYTYTOwpMHEbJmB; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ib6p9-0003tv-Ea for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:47:31 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070927224049.0287d680@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:47:22 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200709271310.l8RDAMIl056629@net.indra.com> References: <200709271310.l8RDAMIl056629@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e535103c254a80fd57d6479589555d4759b1887bb212cff51bd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Nouveau riche in 1926 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 272c573d-ae40-41b1-9b1f-4c9b1d0e3b9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FC7B1B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Also, at Halloween time you should be able to get fake "stage" cigarettes - I think they make them as well as cigars (we got cigars when we had to do 20's gangsters). They are light cardboard, have a dark tip with a bit of red glitter (for the ember) and are filled with powder - you blow gently, and you get a wisp of "smoke". Have fun - (remembering the murder party hubby and I went to where he was cast as a "fashion designer who wears his own designs". He wore an old Quiana formal of mine....in lavender....) Sandy At 08:10 AM 9/27/2007, you wrote: >From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner >Subject: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 > >I've been cast in a murder-mystery evening, to take place the night >of October 26. > > >From: "Abel, Cynthia" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Nouveau riche in 1926 > >You wouldn't be too conservative--maybe a candy cigarette(if you don't >smoke)in a showy, diamante-studded holder might be in order. Pearls >would be a must. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 05:33:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8S9X0RX006772 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:33:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8S9X3Mo002391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:33:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8S9VWD3089767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8S9VSEj014188; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8S9VO1U014035 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 89144 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2007 09:31:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Yj.c1ZoVM1lI8XEHnEvO6MhflbiB3e1qxQR.xLalKPFTmvytQ28hgJxhC9poX.txl0T05pzvng-- Received: from [86.149.159.103] by web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:31:17 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070927224049.0287d680@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] questions about wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c073b80-0418-4174-b103-7dc80907c19c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FCCA4F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've never had to make garb for a cool climate before, but now that we live in England, I think switching to wool might be a good idea. :) Especially as it was 42 F yesterday morning. Brr! I'd like to make some roughly 14th c stuff... gothic fitted dress for me and a cotehardie or cotte for my husband. I'd also like to do some German (similar to the those portrayed in Cranach paintings) as well. The problem is that I am not sure which modern fabrics to choose. If I were to look somewhere like fashionfabricsclub.com, on what types of fabrics should I concentrate? Or what types should I avoid? I'm also interested in what types of modern wool fabrics would full well. I know that worsteds don't full and that I should look for woolens, but which are best? Flannel? Is melton/coating too thick? I'm thinking about making complex dagged hoods and/or bodices/doublets which are heavily slashed/pinked. Thanks! Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 06:38:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SAcOXC019537 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:38:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SAcR6H008127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SAbGZD095001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SAbD5N073936; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SAb8DN073786 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:37:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 628264861-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.37.109 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAPR1/EZPSCVt/2dsb2JhbACBWA Received: from 79-72-37-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.37.109]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 28 Sep 2007 11:37:00 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070928112919.033b0130@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:36:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool In-Reply-To: <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070927224049.0287d680@pop.radiks.net> <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f9d2157-87f0-4a35-8b84-566b15599a6c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FCD9A3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 10:31 28/09/2007, you wrote: >I've never had to make garb for a cool climate before, but now that >we live in England, I think switching to wool might be a good idea. >:) Especially as it was 42 F yesterday morning. Brr! > > I'd like to make some roughly 14th c stuff... gothic fitted dress > for me and a cotehardie or cotte for my husband. I'd also like to > do some German (similar to the those portrayed in Cranach paintings) as well. > > The problem is that I am not sure which modern fabrics to choose. > If I were to look somewhere like fashionfabricsclub.com, on what > types of fabrics should I concentrate? Or what types should I avoid? > > I'm also interested in what types of modern wool fabrics would > full well. I know that worsteds don't full and that I should look > for woolens, but which are best? Flannel? Is melton/coating too > thick? I'm thinking about making complex dagged hoods and/or > bodices/doublets which are heavily slashed/pinked. > I suggest you look here (www.suziclarke.co.uk/links.php) for suppliers in the U.K. I particularly recommend "Bernie the Bolt" as he supplies most of the Living History/Re-enactors in this country. Or you could look out for The National Living History Fair, (http://www.livinghistoryfayres.com/) or The Original Re-enactor's Market, (http://www.reenactorsmarket.co.uk/) both usually held in October/November, and in the Spring, where you can go and handle and buy suitable fabrics. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 06:42:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SAgCkh020236 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:42:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SAgE8j027803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:42:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SAfvvZ095263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SAfuuN077544; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:41:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SAfrjR077429 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:41:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20070928104147.NEQX4446.fep30.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:41:47 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.138]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070928104147.WYAG21904.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:41:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c801bc$3f640ca0$8ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:42:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.63.231.138] at Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:41:41 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] folds in silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8fe073f-8063-45ff-947c-ffbc8c1938ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46FCDA86.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have started to embroider a new custom made waistcoat. I received the silk taffeta it is going to be made from about 1 year ago. It was folded down into a little square. Today i prepared it to be patterned with the embroidery, steam ironed it on both sides, but the folds are still visible. Is there a chance that those folds will disappear in time? Maybe when i stretch it to my embroidery frame? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 07:46:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SBk58A023595 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:46:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SBk5In004254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:46:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SBiv7H004362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:44:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SBisJO038735; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:44:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8SBiohd038591 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:44:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 89804 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2007 11:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.150.3 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2007 11:44:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wP1NkUsVM1lloENTdpjtWTmA2jiRU4rkNBvnahurZ6A0QDQ2_33J1uhF0vTQchGI7Zl.dEwFGSgLdAp6BVnIXjrqj5hHsdF3sNJ344z.Hx60rEcnQbONDEVdtzKDVQs- Message-ID: <003701c801c4$f8a09370$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Black lace trim Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:44:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7aecfedd-cfe1-4f68-9622-a88427e28092 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FCE97D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Don't know how much you need, but there is usually some on Cheeptrim.com. They do have a min. order, however. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [h-cost] Black lace trim > I'm looking for black lace trim by the yard, preferably 9 inches > wide--would > prefer it gathered, too, but would take flat and gather it myself. > > Can anyone steer me to a good dealer? > > Ann Wass > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 08:15:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SCFile025024 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:15:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SCFfPL012461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:15:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SCF6N2010086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SCF40x069206; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8SBEtJx009246 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 13423 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2007 11:14:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m2BZTQIVM1mVGWHAomzJdtOozoI_Ua0Zhzk1PkwZUC18lkwMh.meCfGxDFowXcUCZO6s_lTlbNUbB_HfIvAaN8i4UyO._V3AMb3BeAATcaP9Ms6kj6w- Received: from [86.149.159.103] by web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:14:50 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070928112919.033b0130@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <367050.6081.qm@web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: e8ca45bb-b1f4-4bb4-aecd-e2a24d32e5ab X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46FCF06D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I still get paid in dollars, so I'd rather purchase from the US if I can. That means I am fairly limited to online sites or where my MIL can go. But I need to explain to her exactly what I need as she doesn't sew. But not knowing what type of wool fabric is preferred is a big problem for both scenarios. With the dollar to pound conversion it is cheaper for me to buy many things in the US. I just bought a very very nice rug in the US and had it shipped to me in England for what I could have bought a much crappier version here. But thanks for the vendor list. :) The dollar/pound situation may change in the future and I have bookmarked the various sites. Suzi Clarke wrote: I suggest you look here (www.suziclarke.co.uk/links.php) for suppliers in the U.K. I particularly recommend "Bernie the Bolt" as he supplies most of the Living History/Re-enactors in this country. Or you could look out for The National Living History Fair, (http://www.livinghistoryfayres.com/) or The Original Re-enactor's Market, (http://www.reenactorsmarket.co.uk/) both usually held in October/November, and in the Spring, where you can go and handle and buy suitable fabrics. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 08:15:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SCFmAR025030 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:15:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SCFoP6016562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:15:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SCFRBk010125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SCFRZx069554; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:15:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8SBfNm7034806 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 2438 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2007 11:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.150.3 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2007 11:41:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RiktdmUVM1nlg1DeEteCJYZQe.v4vHxm_0EP6.iA7rW0s7PHmO2tqfzFYD_5.hb1CHBKmq6HMEb5CY42Y.nHWp28tjQVpGgiZg48vBu7g2YXV_HQxR0u Message-ID: <002d01c801c4$7cba48a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c801bc$3f640ca0$8ae73f50@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] folds in silk taffeta Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:41:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 8b997355-c618-44fa-aecc-2a66036cc93d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FCF077.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I do not know if it might stain your fabric, but there is an old time remedy that speaks of moistening the fold with white vinegar which is applied with a rough wash cloth,,,then press it gently while it is still damp. I have had some luck doing this in the past. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] folds in silk taffeta >I have started to embroider a new custom made waistcoat. > I received the silk taffeta it is going to be made from about 1 year ago. > It was folded down into a little square. > Today i prepared it to be patterned with the embroidery, steam ironed it > on both sides, but the folds are still visible. > Is there a chance that those folds will disappear in time? Maybe when i > stretch it to my embroidery frame? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 09:08:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SD8cZB026922 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:08:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SD8fm0012628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SD7VIQ024280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SD7RUd027068; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SD7NeV026917 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:07:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail37.att.net ([204.127.135.76]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2007092813071811100pvs44e>; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:07:18 +0000 Received: from [63.241.202.8] by mwebmail37.att.net; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:07:16 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:07:16 +0000 Message-Id: <092820071307.16054.46FCFC840007AF2500003EB621612436460A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Searching for Busk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed9a46e0-8345-4bc6-84c3-ca5b8e66d368 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FCFCD9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I am making progress on my gown in the style of the Ditchley portrait, and actually have hope that it might someday be done. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 11:18:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SFIFZk030596 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:18:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SFIH36008847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:18:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SFH5IF059645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SFGvmX089754; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:16:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SFGoZu089455 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDBE103BEA for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:16:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46FD1AF1.8030200@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:17:05 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool References: <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99b3f775-e100-42a1-91b9-4fbd3117250d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46FD1B3A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 11:25:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SFPJRi030788 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:25:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SFPLLd031363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:25:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SFOn9s061247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SFOhJL000564; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8SFOA0I099726 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyvonkulp@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67640 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2007 15:24:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UV0daC7dOfHr6ALbhpOH5wHfVxfWTaXIhfw4fSu9L+t+R0vrZB1EbBK7MTZIJyMvOpREkQIq8lLMN7KiE1PVGZUJ5vo7ttNH6aaHAblcewYex25+tFul1PV1MNlbgafzAMTSsmZeo62NA/GOaznT4A5McP5sNCBFtGxY+sloaT0=; X-YMail-OSG: UNPd3IoVM1kcAfc8dxuTJFDvImid_tsZSR8Nss7Xldh46fDp0ySmmekwmFjkte5RbgdCaZL4kkhryqETWLifEDFsz3ObbOSJJW53 Received: from [69.133.100.168] by web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:24:04 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Judith Bolenbaugh Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46FD1AF1.8030200@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <674360.67468.qm@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adf976f9-d171-42ac-8c70-870c4ad01a91 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46FD1CE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Join our Network Research Panel today! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 14:49:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SInDZm003561 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:49:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SInFoh012030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:49:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SImcfm095711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SImc7Y060873; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SG6JVL055220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1IbILo-0005b9-Fl for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:06:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:06:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool In-Reply-To: <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist X-UUID: d3e45b24-2dcc-47c9-b421-af1963b37105 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46FD4CAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For the 14th c. I would go with a gabardine or worsted twill, actually, unless you can find a lightweight woolen. Layers, rather than one heavy garment, are the way to go here (and accurate for the period!). For Fashion Fabrics Club, keywords are "100% wool" and then "suiting", "gabardine", "worsted", "twill", and perhaps "flannel". Skip the tricotine--that way lies madness and tears. On fabric.com, look for wool gabardine and wool suiting. Those are my two favorite fabric sites. For fulling, well, it depends on the fabric. Some are treated and some aren't, and that part isn't always obvious until you've washed it. I find that woolens are more likely to full than worsteds, in my experience. Jen/pixel On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Beteena Paradise wrote: > I've never had to make garb for a cool climate before, but now that we live in England, I think switching to wool might be a good idea. :) Especially as it was 42 F yesterday morning. Brr! > > I'd like to make some roughly 14th c stuff... gothic fitted dress for me and a cotehardie or cotte for my husband. I'd also like to do some German (similar to the those portrayed in Cranach paintings) as well. > > The problem is that I am not sure which modern fabrics to choose. If I were to look somewhere like fashionfabricsclub.com, on what types of fabrics should I concentrate? Or what types should I avoid? > > I'm also interested in what types of modern wool fabrics would full well. I know that worsteds don't full and that I should look for woolens, but which are best? Flannel? Is melton/coating too thick? I'm thinking about making complex dagged hoods and/or bodices/doublets which are heavily slashed/pinked. > > Thanks! > > Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 15:07:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SJ7I5h003991 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:07:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SJ7GXP030660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:07:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SJ5Hl6097878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SJ5EJS080682; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SJ58Vf080533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:05:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1IbL8x-0001ey-SR for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:04:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:04:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0709280904r6984ede4gedb20c8d10fc8d43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <46FD1AF1.8030200@reddawn.net> <674360.67468.qm@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <16a2233a0709280904r6984ede4gedb20c8d10fc8d43@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc365ba6-b248-4557-85e3-4a958d8be6c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46FD50E4.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO "Suit weight" can be worsted or woolen. I've had modern tabby-woven woolens full an awful lot--something like 30%--in the wash. Worsted is much less likely to full. Jen/pixel On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > They won't full, or I'd be surprised if they moved more than very > slightly. Modern fabrics, especially those types of fabrics, are > treated so they don't full in the wash. > > (Now, I know there's a difference between worsting, fulling and > felting, but I don't think it's relevant to the present > conversation...) > > On 9/28/07, Judith Bolenbaugh wrote: >> For the suit weights, would they need fulling first, since they're so smooth? >> >> Soffya >> >> Dawn wrote: Beteena Paradise wrote: >> >>> I'd like to make some roughly 14th c stuff... gothic fitted dress for me and a cotehardie or cotte for my husband. >>> >>> The problem is that I am not sure which modern fabrics to choose. If I were to look somewhere like fashionfabricsclub.com, on what types of fabrics should I concentrate? Or what types should I avoid? >>> >> >> FashionFabrics has some nice linen that will be good for your linings >> and undergarments. >> >> IMO melton is much too thick. You want a suit weight wool. >> >> >> >> Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 16:02:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SK2usn005379 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:02:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SK2t5D021522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:03:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SK1hHs009053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:01:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SK1aYR048653; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:01:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra2.swissinfo.org (barra2.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SK1TUJ048399 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1191007926-56dd004e0001-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.76:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barra2.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 6939D9AB9D2 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:32:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [146.159.229.53]) by barra2.swissinfo.org with ESMTP id Nvz4XKeViEPeOiTT for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:32:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 46961DC800DC8AB6 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:32:10 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c80206$6c658130$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:33:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[146.159.229.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1191007931 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39e6fd65-1c0f-4031-b5c3-a7087f2e58a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46FD5DEF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com is probably your best bet for price & selection, but be warned of a couple of things. First, I've watched the owner as he takes a brief look and feel of unlabelled fabric before deciding what to sell it as--100% wool ain't always 100% wool. Scary, no? He may not care about that 2% poly or lycra, but it makes a big difference to us. But most of the fabric he gets is labelled, and he does know a lot about fabric, so it's not quite as scary as it sounds. Second, and something that should definitely be kept in mind for all fabrics from that site, just because two fabrics have the exact name, description, and price, doesn't mean that they're the same fabric. In fact, they're almost never the same fabric; once in a while he does get the same fabric in different colors, but it's rare indeed. If it's really important, order 1/8 yd as a sample. All that said, even though my personal preference is heavily on the worsted side, I'd say you're definitely right about woolens being your best choice, and not just because of the warmth. In the 14thC, fulled wool the hip fabric, and as far as I can tell from my research, the biggest difference that the impact of wealth would have had on the fabric choice (apart from dye) would have been how well (& how many times) the wool would have been fulled & sheared. When I saw wool that had been thoroughly fulled & sheared multiple times in a period manner, I was shocked at how UNfulled it looked to my eye. After that much work, I was expecting it to resemble felt (the way that melton does) but it wasn't the least bit felt-like and the weave was still clearly visible--it looked more to me like a slightly threadbare flannel. (Speaking of which, flannel or some similar plain-weave woolen would probably be closest to the most typical 14thC choices.) Modern woolens go through an extensive finishing process--even the cheap ones. The fabric you'd be buying has already been fulled! People (like me, sometimes) who buy a woolen and then immediately set off to full it are just fulling it MORE--it's absolutely not necessary if you just want fulled wool. It's already been fulled. However, as part of that finishing process, the amount of shrinkage allowed is strictly controlled, so if you want to shrink the fabric further and tighten the weave more, extra fulling is necessary, and might be a good idea if you plan to dag it. Making sure that the fabric can handle your typical washing regime is different; you don't need to expose it to the extremes and the harsh treatment that are required for fulling, just in order to make sure that it can handle the gentle cycle. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 16:31:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SKV6cm006016 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:31:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SKV8ge027240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:31:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SIm2lM095671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SIlwOu060197; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SG4D2b052317 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so2809491fkq for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sAVGV7b0m3vmxm3G/76nKh4C8x4KBHGFq9/UKF3WjrI=; b=eKR2VLUvBhB3pThWIWasPj9F5eY+vVLEFKew0cVKzh06ZjLFmNi2KVx1fTYfnoKmSKua0Jpn6ayNB+ulxERaa8hWdf0DwDWJQTOHPCgH/KUQw4gjVYYAa5fHuUeK4L+/Uf0zxmllT69C72YV4SHY0R1wXFR7AlT7oMDk0RFUBmM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ryyCvWan4Ip7cJUVQ6qiC9/AyqGhVqNq7/AwQAhn7x/WGqZgGbB0qs8iZESvVS8X2qCWggfx0buVq1NeJ2K9dRQJkJFhIoCTrCTwEgRihzIcEP5N09q95ybWQAfAC13gqKgYU6dm1wYpMbnqxPx6FE85IrMNV7m7hEp+Vtk5nT4= Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr8087359bud.1190995446757; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.119.19 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0709280904r6984ede4gedb20c8d10fc8d43@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:04:06 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool In-Reply-To: <674360.67468.qm@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46FD1AF1.8030200@reddawn.net> <674360.67468.qm@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist X-UUID: 77971b3b-3ee5-453b-9525-dfc31703a99a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46FD648C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO They won't full, or I'd be surprised if they moved more than very slightly. Modern fabrics, especially those types of fabrics, are treated so they don't full in the wash. (Now, I know there's a difference between worsting, fulling and felting, but I don't think it's relevant to the present conversation...) On 9/28/07, Judith Bolenbaugh wrote: > For the suit weights, would they need fulling first, since they're so smooth? > > Soffya > > Dawn wrote: Beteena Paradise wrote: > > > I'd like to make some roughly 14th c stuff... gothic fitted dress for me and a cotehardie or cotte for my husband. > > > > The problem is that I am not sure which modern fabrics to choose. If I were to look somewhere like fashionfabricsclub.com, on what types of fabrics should I concentrate? Or what types should I avoid? > > > > FashionFabrics has some nice linen that will be good for your linings > and undergarments. > > IMO melton is much too thick. You want a suit weight wool. > > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 18:25:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SMPcok008817 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:25:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SMPcxP011476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:25:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SMP0LU026799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:25:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SMOxFE004036; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SMOtkQ003923 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:24:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:24:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.101.49.114 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:24:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.101.49.114] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <507837.87608.qm@web1006.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2007 22:24:40.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C8825C0:01C8021E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30bb6bd2-93af-4f64-a379-02afe574c826 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46FD7F62.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Sep 28 19:22:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SNMxtl010209 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:22:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8SNN1Xm020433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:23:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8SNFhFD032075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SNFfHh052356; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [206.18.177.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SNFcs8052211 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070928231532b150026urne>; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:15:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2fa4b6bd90efaa444731ac779def97d4@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Safe Sex dres - and 500 Evening Gowns/Wearable Art Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:15:31 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9b34a76-b20a-42cd-a270-0598fe2d60aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FD8CD5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:19 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2006/SafeSexDress.htm > > This dress reminded me of a request for submissions for Lark > Publications > 500 Evening Gowns/Wearable Art. > > http://www.larkbooks.com/submissions/ArtistsEntryForms.asp > > > I thought some of you might just be intersted! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 29 02:45:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T6jrMO009172 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:45:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8T6jomW010421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:45:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8T6ihJj069208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T6id3O055954; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T6iZUs055907 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1IbW4149BG-0008Ly; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:44:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c80264$1f8823a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:44:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18FtBiNUIsTbAp1FobJ2bdZwYBsaKiwmQiOAVE 22xcyZW8DBOc4euPGEzvBWBiqmsZLOx7V1mkkVZwrHomiYC7lF 8tDgu6pZlFNJRZofdxFyA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] National Geographic: History of the Bra X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e15fe3b1-163f-4b81-a986-69d375e9df2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46FDF49E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It should have been titled "How a Bra is Manufactured." But the show = was really good. Did anyone see this show Friday night on the National = Geographic Channel? = http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ET/popup/200709282200.html I thought at first it was that dumb show that was on a couple of years = ago, so I didn't start videotaping it under after the first 20 minutes. = But the show comes on again Sunday and I will tape it all then. =20 What the show covers: ***About 10 minutes (at most) of the history of corsets and bras. ***Silk, present day development: Vietnam: worm to cocoon--to obtaining = the strands from the cocoons, spinning weaving, dyeing, weaving. This = part and the next were really interesting. ***Lycra: From the pipeline, transport to factory, mixing of chemicals = and how they react (good example by chemist), colorants, spinning, and = weaving. Those who love dyes, will love this part. ***Fitting a bra properly: States that 8 out of 10 women are wearing and = incorrect bra size. How to measure for bra and cup sizes. A famous NYC = bra shop that shows how to fit a bra and for what occasions. I would = love to go there! Also states how women's average bra size has = increased dramatically over the past 15 years. Average size now is a 36 = C. They do state that different types styles and manufacturers of bras = fit differently. The average bra is only to last three months.=20 My sidenote: {I have been so tired of salespeople only interested in = sale instead of the quality of the fit. I go to Williamsburg, VA to the = Maidenform Outlet Store and their salespeople will not let you leave = until the bra fits perfectly. I don't know if this is a company or = manager decision, but I love these salesladies. Also, JC Penney's = catalog dept. is know to carry the largest variety of bra sizes and = cups. It is their #1 products sold in their catalog dept.} ***Assembly of bras: Cutting and manufacturing processes of the fabric = pieces, underwires, claps & clips. ***Science of the bra: Model wearing sensors while jogging with = different types of bras. This is to show which bras are good for = exercise. Hint: The sports bra did not win! ***All pieces of the bra, underwires and clasps are shipped to Vietnam = to be assembled. The bras are sewn on industrial sewing machines by = workers. Underwires and clasps are put on by hand. The workers change = positions every couple of hours to keep from being bored. I was happy = to see this! When I first saw the Vietnam assembly, I thought, I would = go crazy doing that process all day long. ***Finally the bras are sent to a show for buyers from businesses. =20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 29 03:46:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T7kwS2016097 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:46:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8T7l0sW001581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8T7i4iI073913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T7i1fC002930; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T7hwkJ002891 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1IbWzV1dlO-0007VM; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004601c8026c$6b96fd40$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:43:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX194QpZc59f+aXYEAgng51Rwww93CZg922qYvFF 97xiNbE+bo908BgKdRo9RWTs8oLp7TnITHdNwQN7jKiSOW0XYQ C7gYwnCBRl6RRT3i7tWuA== X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ironing: Revisited X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e70cd857-2f40-48e4-9b7e-25113ae87017 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FE02F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I talked with my Aunt Susie last night about ironing and keeping cotton = and linen cool before ironing. She was born in 1922. I love my sweet = aunt... she is very intelligent and her memory as clear as a bell. =20 I first asked about when they had electricity in her home. I think this = is important factor after watching another Modern Marvels titled = "Wired." I learned from the show how some rural areas of the U.S. did = not have electricity until 1949, especially the south. Five homes had = to be located witin a given radius to have electric lines drawn to them. = My aunt grew up in Hendersonville, North Carolina in a rural area near = a major highway. So her family's home was wired earlier because of the = highway, between 1928-1930. BUT she said this not the norm for the = area. Some of the farms in her county were not wired until the late = 1940s. =20 She remembers an icebox in the house until 1934. She remembers this = because it was a big deal to have an electric refrigerator. When she = said this, I remembered what a big deal in my family growing up was to = have color TV, and when I got married the milestones of having cable TV, = microwave, a computer, and internet. While listening to her, I thought = how spoiled we are! Back to Aunt Susie... she said that they washed = clothes on scrub-boards generally in the creek until they bought an = electric washing machine with a ringer. The washer was kept on the = back porch. By the way she talked this event occurred when she was a = teenager. If someone was sick, her mother had a large cast-iron pot in = the yard to boil water and wash the clothes. =20 IRONING: They had a large cast-iron stove until she moved out after = WW2. The iron was placed on the stove to heat. This was used until she = moved away from home. If there was clothing to be ironed and there = wasn't enough time to do it, the wet clothing was rolled up, and placed = in a spring box or milk box in the creek. This same reason given, as we = previously discussed, to decrease mildew. The clothing was not to go = into the frig or icebox. The spring box / milk box was a new term! I = love interviewing older people to learn from their past! =20 What is a spring box / milk box? =20 It is was a large cement box in a spring to catch water in a creek / = spring / river. Products that would spoil easily such as milk, eggs, = and butter were but into a spring box to keep them cool. My aunt said = their creek's water was cold year round. She also commented that they = cooled watermelons in the spring box. The spring box was large. The = part that faced the creek's downsteam flow had a grate to let the water = into the box. The opposing end of the box had a pipe that allowed water = to flow out. From this point the water was piped up to their home. The = spring box's pipe had a flywheel that so good that it pumped water up to = the third story in my aunt's home. In the shallow end of the spring box = the water was generally 4" deep and the deeper end 8". The butter was = kept in the shallow end and the milk in the deep end. She stated that = her family survived the Depression by selling milk, eggs, and butter to = the locals. My aunt said there was a teacher in Georgia who sent her students on = assignment to record the old ways of doing things from the elders in the = area. These were published in a series named Foxfire. My aunt owned = two volumes of Foxfire but Hurricane Katrina took them, along with the = rest of her home. Aunt Susie said the series were all kinds of recipes = and methods of how to do all sorts of things. =20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 29 05:15:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T9Flmn031049 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:15:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8T9FnPc005518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:15:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8T9ETnB085131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T9EPTW076767; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:14:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T9EKbT076699 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:14:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1IbYOw1WJs-0008TY; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:14:19 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01c80279$0abac5d0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:13:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+ASkvttINsn8mmxsHoJWXi1bmgFG25euPxBJ q4Ayeo8fbZSO/C6Zj3wJqgP+P06ygutF11SubATN4nztL3TK6N ipon8rPKN8alDPaGeIAVA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harper's Bazaar X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26dab187-4fd2-4231-8ead-bcd8e9ee1413 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FE17C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a goal to get through the stack of thirty current fashion = magazines on my office floor. I have been carrying magazines with me = everywhere to read. This week, I brought a Harper's or "W" to my = doctor's office to pass my waiting room time. There was a medical = article in the issue and we were discussing it. Then, he started = reading the article and said that the information was correct. The = article was included the history of the 1300s plague. Today, I was toting a Harper's with me while waiting to see my teenage = daughter's French teacher and principal. The 20-something y.o. French = teacher came into the waiting room. =20 She asked, "What are you reading?" I showed her the Harper's Bazaar. She said in a snippy tone, "Oh, my mother reads that!" I should have = given her my noteworthy "mother's stare" over my glasses. =20 The next time that I have a meeting with this teacher, I am going to = bring in an 1870s issue of Harper's and say, "My great-grandmother read = Harper's too!" Then pull out my 1858 bound Harper's and say that her = mother read these! I generally past down all my present day fashion magazines to my 30 y.o. = daughter-in-law. I gave my DIL some magazines this past week and she = remarked that Harper's was her favorite fashion magazine. Harper's is = also more than 50% of my college students' favorite fashion magazine. =20 I would love to know the average age of present day Harper's = subscribers. Maybe I should write Harper's for an advertising = demographic profile. I know Harper's has a monthly section called = "Fabulous are Every Age," that highlights fashions for women in their = 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70+. Well, I know my 16 y.o. old daughter = will only read the magazine, IF Harper's is the only reading material = in the van other than the van's owner manual. =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 29 05:50:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T9oCgJ002732 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:50:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8T9oEMk023997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:50:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8T9njk2088699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8T9nhKo006055; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8T9nd82005954 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 74285 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2007 09:49:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0.8mrb8VM1lMob.Vhi_vc98naX88WmwSBThdtklRK3TlGBVaORc5jRQiv7hGXLz7y8Ip5en.8A-- Received: from [86.149.159.103] by web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:49:32 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions about wool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001f01c80206$6c658130$7d00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <109232.72908.qm@web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5542b190-7b33-4757-bf18-fd29d9a9f5fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FE1FD6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Teena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 29 07:33:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TBX4NC013218 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:33:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8TBX1se005023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8TBVtNK000630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TBVqxL001299; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TBVln5001213 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC91E136D7B for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:31:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-146.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-146.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.146]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:31:44 +1000 Message-ID: <1191065504.46fe37a0a1c96@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:31:44 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing: Revisited References: <004601c8026c$6b96fd40$6801a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <004601c8026c$6b96fd40$6801a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f270ef1-8317-4174-b34e-c7ea83685d20 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FE37ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO By the way she talked this event > occurred when she was a teenager. If someone was sick, her mother had a > large cast-iron pot in the yard to boil water and wash the clothes. > > from home. If there was clothing to be ironed and there wasn't enough time > to do it, the wet clothing was rolled up, and placed in a spring box or milk > box in the creek. My earliest real job (like not delivering papers) was in an industrial laundry. We rarely started a load late afternoon to avoid having wet clothing overnight - - we would at most load machines and leave them dry for a quick start the next day. If a load was started late, it would be washed and spun but left in the spin drier (a thing about the size of a Volkswagon) with the lid sealed for what looks like a similar reason to keeping washing in the spring box. Shows how the technology changes, not the action. I remember from when I was a kid (not THAT long ago) we had a "copper", a copper tub in an iron frame for boiling clothes. I vaguley remember it being used to boil jeans. I wish I had one now instead of the welded galvanised iron rubbish bin (trash can) I lug up onto my stove for large dye jobs. I do have one of the old stove-top irons, it makes a great doorstop; and a bronze iron stand which is an ornate frame the size of a sheet of writing paper -- I use for (you guessed it) my ironing, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 29 09:20:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TDK1mM015217 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:20:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8TDK4Md014470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:20:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8TDHZ7e015388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TDHWkR003400; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TDHN62003294 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.120.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.120]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IbcCA-0005Vn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:17:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004601c8026c$6b96fd40$6801a8c0@momlaptop> References: <004601c8026c$6b96fd40$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <9FA1787A-48AE-4A66-80A6-25F3DA0F7B39@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing: Revisited Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:19:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5eb1e609-579f-4e2e-9f90-c92497816fd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FE5104.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks for this fascinating post, Penny! By the way, the Foxfire Books are wonderful, and well known in some circles (e.g., folklorists, cultural anthropologists, conservationists, craftspeople, and former Hippies!). I believe you can still get them all, and new volumes are still being developed. Go to the source: http://www.foxfire.org/prodFFbooks.html --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Sep 29, 2007, at 3:43 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > I talked with my Aunt Susie last night about ironing and keeping > cotton and linen cool before ironing. She was born in 1922. I > love my sweet aunt... she is very intelligent and her memory as > clear as a bell. > > > My aunt said there was a teacher in Georgia who sent her students > on assignment to record the old ways of doing things from the > elders in the area. These were published in a series named > Foxfire. My aunt owned two volumes of Foxfire but Hurricane > Katrina took them, along with the rest of her home. Aunt Susie > said the series were all kinds of recipes and methods of how to do > all sorts of things. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 29 10:13:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TEDSj1016045 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:13:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8TEDQf4015890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:13:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8TECuG9025806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TECsZj070371; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8TECo7P070204 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33791 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2007 14:02:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eSwuuKu36FXGSWjYL9yQ0IvgKXPS7+iNvSciCqos7RG4VxHyozaG9cGfmvutpaaCq7XoIg2miO8wsSZ0W1uMxfRVOofvFDjGQcd1SFTZWHJkh5Fv2N1nimLqoTJ8LZsq9yRlJiZGG64evstxrhn8ihf79sKKr+5CLZaVT+wd+dQ=; X-YMail-OSG: OUkeDDoVM1nP1tCpCVy8I_Hvbt1tKlTTkGTtIpbNWmc6u8fRAAlN9eeQ_.IgbkPUcMh0gxPN4hggpJjnr4PGboQIL8MLykH5Q2CbpsnnApl3Oxjc5.pkMR164wbSUw-- Received: from [69.182.134.136] by web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:02:44 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:02:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing: Revisited To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <9FA1787A-48AE-4A66-80A6-25F3DA0F7B39@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <597722.31637.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d877bf10-d555-4ac2-94f5-d931adefe36f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FE5D86.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > By the way, the Foxfire Books are wonderful, and > well known in some > circles (e.g., folklorists, cultural > anthropologists, > conservationists, craftspeople, and former > Hippies!). I believe you > can still get them all, and new volumes are still > being developed. Go > to the source: > http://www.foxfire.org/prodFFbooks.html > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner I ran into the Foxfire Books some fifteen years ago, and was quite impressed at their quality. And this was in some Northeast US library, not a specialist bookstore or anything. :) Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Sep 29 12:59:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TGxpA4019376 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:59:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8TGxraW032488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:59:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8TGwn5n052742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8TGwjAt058821; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:58:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8TD0BYp087282 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:00:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 16932 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2007 13:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.150.3 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2007 13:00:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AZJHXmwVM1mvkIB_1w8p9veWKj_kLj_4Pkbk9zpcDR9vAzWJR0Hdva3GNfN0SKQ7.gYIylgVmwlni1bJWNZc.Kp22BZcgi0WBJNyXj05zjcXDMEVIDZn Message-ID: <006101c80298$a90327e0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004601c8026c$6b96fd40$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing: Revisited Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:00:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 493c886f-7c2a-4b57-9725-0e5f02b2d918 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46FE8489.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO We too did not get electricty until 1949...the year my brother was born.(NH) Much of what you have described was my own experience...except the 'spring box'. I did not get to wear a fresh dress every day until I was able to iron them myself. Pressing cloths and the sprinkling bottle were old familiars. The trick in warm weather was to get to the prepared ironing pile before mildew set in...then one would need to practice all the old remedies to treat it. In the early '50s we set our full skirts with sugar water as stiffner (or potato or pasta water). When we got 'wired', mother got a wringer washer and we had to learn how to deal with fancy plastic buttons that were regularly killed if we didn't fold them in carefully before they slipped between the rollers. Kathleen ---- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:43 AM Subject: [h-cost] Ironing: Revisited I talked with my Aunt Susie last night about ironing and keeping cotton and linen cool before ironing. She was born in 1922. I love my sweet aunt... she is very intelligent and her memory as clear as a bell. I first asked about when they had electricity in her home. I think this is important factor after watching another Modern Marvels titled "Wired." I learned from the show how some rural areas of the U.S. did not have electricity until 1949, especially the south. Five homes had to be located witin a given radius to have electric lines drawn to them. My aunt grew up in Hendersonville, North Carolina in a rural area near a major highway. So her family's home was wired earlier because of the highway, between 1928-1930. BUT she said this not the norm for the area. Some of the farms in her county were not wired until the late 1940s. She remembers an icebox in the house until 1934. She remembers this because it was a big deal to have an electric refrigerator. When she said this, I remembered what a big deal in my family growing up was to have color TV, and when I got married the milestones of having cable TV, microwave, a computer, and internet. While listening to her, I thought how spoiled we are! Back to Aunt Susie... she said that they washed clothes on scrub-boards generally in the creek until they bought an electric washing machine with a ringer. The washer was kept on the back porch. By the way she talked this event occurred when she was a teenager. If someone was sick, her mother had a large cast-iron pot in the yard to boil water and wash the clothes. IRONING: They had a large cast-iron stove until she moved out after WW2. The iron was placed on the stove to heat. This was used until she moved away from home. If there was clothing to be ironed and there wasn't enough time to do it, the wet clothing was rolled up, and placed in a spring box or milk box in the creek. This same reason given, as we previously discussed, to decrease mildew. The clothing was not to go into the frig or icebox. The spring box / milk box was a new term! I love interviewing older people to learn from their past! What is a spring box / milk box? It is was a large cement box in a spring to catch water in a creek / spring / river. Products that would spoil easily such as milk, eggs, and butter were but into a spring box to keep them cool. My aunt said their creek's water was cold year round. She also commented that they cooled watermelons in the spring box. The spring box was large. The part that faced the creek's downsteam flow had a grate to let the water into the box. The opposing end of the box had a pipe that allowed water to flow out. From this point the water was piped up to their home. The spring box's pipe had a flywheel that so good that it pumped water up to the third story in my aunt's home. In the shallow end of the spring box the water was generally 4" deep and the deeper end 8". The butter was kept in the shallow end and the milk in the deep end. She stated that her family survived the Depression by selling milk, eggs, and butter to the locals. My aunt said there was a teacher in Georgia who sent her students on assignment to record the old ways of doing things from the elders in the area. These were published in a series named Foxfire. My aunt owned two volumes of Foxfire but Hurricane Katrina took them, along with the rest of her home. Aunt Susie said the series were all kinds of recipes and methods of how to do all sorts of things. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 00:37:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8U4bIPJ030981 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:37:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8U4bKUo021192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:37:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8U4Zi8f033810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8U4ZdSH070673; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8U4ZYrp070567 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cbf.15035ff3 (29678) for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:34:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:34:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] National Geographic: History of the Bra To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5000 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfe6be4f-08b9-423e-9f96-fd20f3881276 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46FF2800.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b799fde4-8e03-4f09-86c5-06ba91596212 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46FF42DA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have an interesting cookbook, "Notes from a Country Kitchen", which has a nice photo of an old dairy with a marble slab with a 4" wide channel around it. Water was piped in to run around the slab, which kept it cool. You put prepared desserts, junkets, syllabubs, etc. on it to keep them cool. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:43 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Ironing: Revisited I talked with my Aunt Susie last night about ironing and keeping cotton and linen cool before ironing. She was born in 1922. I love my sweet aunt... she is very intelligent and her memory as clear as a bell. I first asked about when they had electricity in her home. I think this is important factor after watching another Modern Marvels titled "Wired." I learned from the show how some rural areas of the U.S. did not have electricity until 1949, especially the south. Five homes had to be located witin a given radius to have electric lines drawn to them. My aunt grew up in Hendersonville, North Carolina in a rural area near a major highway. So her family's home was wired earlier because of the highway, between 1928-1930. BUT she said this not the norm for the area. Some of the farms in her county were not wired until the late 1940s. She remembers an icebox in the house until 1934. She remembers this because it was a big deal to have an electric refrigerator. When she said this, I remembered what a big deal in my family growing up was to have color TV, and when I got married the milestones of having cable TV, microwave, a computer, and internet. While listening to her, I thought how spoiled we are! Back to Aunt Susie... she said that they washed clothes on scrub-boards generally in the creek until they bought an electric washing machine with a ringer. The washer was kept on the back porch. By the way she talked this event occurred when she was a teenager. If someone was sick, her mother had a large cast-iron pot in the yard to boil water and wash the clothes. IRONING: They had a large cast-iron stove until she moved out after WW2. The iron was placed on the stove to heat. This was used until she moved away from home. If there was clothing to be ironed and there wasn't enough time to do it, the wet clothing was rolled up, and placed in a spring box or milk box in the creek. This same reason given, as we previously discussed, to decrease mildew. The clothing was not to go into the frig or icebox. The spring box / milk box was a new term! I love interviewing older people to learn from their past! What is a spring box / milk box? It is was a large cement box in a spring to catch water in a creek / spring / river. Products that would spoil easily such as milk, eggs, and butter were but into a spring box to keep them cool. My aunt said their creek's water was cold year round. She also commented that they cooled watermelons in the spring box. The spring box was large. The part that faced the creek's downsteam flow had a grate to let the water into the box. The opposing end of the box had a pipe that allowed water to flow out. From this point the water was piped up to their home. The spring box's pipe had a flywheel that so good that it pumped water up to the third story in my aunt's home. In the shallow end of the spring box the water was generally 4" deep and the deeper end 8". The butter was kept in the shallow end and the milk in the deep end. She stated that her family survived the Depression by selling milk, eggs, and butter to the locals. My aunt said there was a teacher in Georgia who sent her students on assignment to record the old ways of doing things from the elders in the area. These were published in a series named Foxfire. My aunt owned two volumes of Foxfire but Hurricane Katrina took them, along with the rest of her home. Aunt Susie said the series were all kinds of recipes and methods of how to do all sorts of things. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 02:32:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8U6WDTZ000634 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:32:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8U6WFDf010934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:32:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8U6W1Os041173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8U6W1VQ044707; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.tpgi.com.au (mail12.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8U6Vtkn044648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-197-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.197]) by mail12.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id l8U6Vrxj009862 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:31:54 +1000 Message-ID: <004401c8032b$977df2f0$c5f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2fa4b6bd90efaa444731ac779def97d4@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Safe Sex dres - and 500 Evening Gowns/Wearable Art Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:31:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db7907b8-cc14-4d2e-881a-4809a7ff01b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FF42EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(not that it doesn't introduce new chemical problems...) andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 10:38:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UEcThb022776 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:38:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8UEcVxv023692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:38:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8UEbLni001256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UEbH3S067076; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UEbDC6066932 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:37:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W38 ([65.55.133.73]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:37:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.199.156.62] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] National Geographic: History of the Bra Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:37:08 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2007 14:37:08.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[61192470:01C8036F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92aec581-ad72-4798-9a0f-acb3cc696146 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FFB4E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=3Dcreate&wx_url=3D/friends.= aspx&mkt=3Den-us= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 12:41:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UGfPti025759 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:41:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8UGfRoW026447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:41:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8UGeXOE019561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UGeU00088728; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UGeQqP088600 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:41:43 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C80380.C8894FF1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] National Geographic: History of the Bra Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:41:12 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC694@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC694@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] National Geographic: History of the Bra Thread-Index: AcgDb8cYPI638TsgQ1CO9qnAkI2HhgAEO7ZX References: From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2007 16:41:43.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[C89E8BB0:01C80380] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d55672eb-d6e3-4477-b978-5470a032382b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FFD1B7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=3Dcreate&wx_url=3D/friend= s.aspx&mkt=3Den-us_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80380.C8894FF1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80380.C8894FF1-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 12:48:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UGm9jv025971 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:48:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8UGmBlA007300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8UGltfu020323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:47:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UGla2g096013; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:47:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UGlXtu095978 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bestinterests@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so501293anc for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:47:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Es94KBj2jIxdnkdTf1tS7Lv8+v/2+tqbrjxzIorwMSQ=; b=QDZFgSIIBBxf7r0QvXplEo+rr54SEtQ5ryWunF4VfQ4Sj/+PUtV42ZGaZXP2Gdsd65TE49XrJFD7HKiqJjz2Xj00FM34OR/bCS0/8C9Q62e5ESWrUjFgWMZUU7Z1terLEdhb39Bqe4ASNcG0JwjOpMVXrJA2s3aRXj4KxrebIIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=DcE1c3tNg4NODjSPoXoXJgBUrojo56NsCDU2XGlaHar6BJsWv9QU2tX2AKBvUPFWJwa9N9mXmZp80vBiSH+O39GfsZ2cFMDt1sl5PwNnJBfcW/78PbIA16+w8Dy+V4o5gATGO9X0i3/hFnu+RNJpVTfdjqBIpTZfXn/9/NxuuPs= Received: by 10.90.105.20 with SMTP id d20mr3622097agc.1191170838147; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.115.17 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:47:18 -0700 From: "ann marie" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] belle epoch tea gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e4ec9c1-b6db-4cc5-a6ee-ad6b7483492b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FFD34B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Your suggestions are most welcome Ann -- What wisdom can you find that is not greater than kindness? - Jean Jacques Rousseau _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 14:24:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UIO2pF028049 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:24:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8UIO4W4026381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:24:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8UIMxcG035059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:22:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UIMsZl092020; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8UIMpKV091876 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:22:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 64091 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2007 18:22:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zSlwjyOkz2o0smglCcwZZJ2xAFbdgGqJRelaf5HkLh63352C5wUqx1rw+kLG3JNQNjcBUpNzL9CP5VRyTjzVCxGyhZGzNdheQN0DEpA70cTAI1mZWGG17SL4pyKZf1yCqHtfpGbYoWyWnT3AKxpFXnSWbLbYWfv8p6NDoBQPWO0=; X-YMail-OSG: ZYKNjC4VM1nM.qepUumMrk9aLOdtB4jXM5Ppv_4XLTpq7I4Bt4.Dses.DStsR6cVFJ76cDAeEpq1oBUpXfKX34NMLoTSI522RO5Lz5rbl9ERBukjuGtD9ti_ZD34Qw-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:22:45 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <812487.62781.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] hose pattern help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43e44fe8-181a-4261-b583-3fa71a94a025 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46FFE9C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The man I'm doing it for is slim, about 20 years old, if that'll help you:-) Thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 14:52:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UIqI0p028569 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:52:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8UIqKg4010855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:52:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8UIpqkb039342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:51:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UIpoFb019686; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UIpkpU019557 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:51:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c4b.1e010354 (48624) for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:51:37 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] belle epoch tea gown To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adbe1421-83a0-4c19-abc5-cbd5402d96e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46FFF064.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO These are some of the most amazing gowns ever conceived and made. They are usually white...but sheer with some color [or not] underneath so they appear shimmery pastels. I've also seen actual pastel colored ones. Tucks, lace inserts, applique, embroidery....any one, any combo or all of the above can happen. I remember one at the Belle Epoch exhibit years ago at the Met Museum that had viewers regularly tripping the security alarm as they inched closer and closer to see the hand applique work on it. It was breathtaking! A simple gown of the fashionable high waisted column-with-poofy-draped-bodice silhouette in very very fine white linen over a blond coffee colored foundation. The entire thing had scrolling vines and leaves all over it in applique of the same linen... so there were two layers there [the colored foundation really helped show off the applique]...hand stitched on with Turkey Work...y'know that technique you usually see on hems where you pull the sewing thread tight enough to make little holes where each stitch is. The stems of the applique were very narrow....like almost 1/16th of an inch! The long slender leaves along the swirling stems had a center vein and some branching from it done in stem stitch. The gown was completely covered in this delicate, painstaking work. It was beautifully accessorized with a huge black hat with white feathers, black high button shoes, black gloves and black parasol. So you can make a "simple" one out of a single outrageously beautiful [and no doubt expensive] fabric. The way to help it not look like a wedding dress is with colored or black accessories ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 15:15:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UJFJp3028980 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:15:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8UJFL6I001727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:15:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8UJEpRT044143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UJEoVw043400; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:14:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UJEksV043200 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:14:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20070930191440.KMWZ20014.fep33.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:14:40 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.232]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20070930191439.WSYX11474.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:14:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c80396$3cde79d0$e86ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] looky what I found Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:15:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.164.110.232] at Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:14:33 +0200 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c3f399d-f03d-4e65-aeb6-8a95e251c742 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46FFF5C9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Yes i heard when i was at Bayreuth that Ludvigsburg is a must when you are interrested in Costume. They have the greatest collection in all Germany. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] looky what I found > Was looking for ideas for another era but found this. > http://tinyurl.com/2e8x72 > > http://www.zum.de/Faecher/G/BW/Landeskunde/schwaben/schloesser/ludwigsburg/m > ode/rundgang/mieder01.htm > > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 16:05:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UK52rN029804 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:05:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8UK55tE022100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8UK40Ii051692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UK3ucv093452; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8UK3rNj093315 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89089 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2007 20:03:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3YG8QfWEwEL4tJhygeLnfJKK7vZndWrXur+Or9FXmLqH1KNOkUpYEEtKCjI87wKFe4UJcI0+BKZoSUis+evXHJY7iT6gRZjgJiQw0ikvxAH9n+W6h8wGLMH/UKa/CE1k3Db++UMAdyx6faZcTjTymatvM7S2PZ+Bn934JL89Qrc=; X-YMail-OSG: ntUnyZcVM1mW0cYpPyBOPMHvyjocbQdxzsiyfAWpqD5J0D7ryvG1S6.VOFAOIk1T7bgLVUF2YA-- Received: from [76.173.32.117] by web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:03:48 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] National Geographic: History of the Bra To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <266710.88330.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a11f61d0-3deb-4a24-b735-f579f798dea5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47000171.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO They seemed very sketchy on almost everything, although the bit on silk produciton was interesting. They did mention that the increase may be at least in part due to implants and obesity, but then just wandered off into something else. If they investigated anything, they spent very little time on it. >From this documentary you'd think there wasn't any kind of attempt at a support garment between Roman breast bands and the 18th century corset, then a quick jump straight to latex. And the "5 interesting things about bras" were old wives tales, which they could have either debunked or backed up with a story (if not exactly evidence). But they again just wandered away. As a history, I found it seriously lacking. MaggiRos --- zelda crusher wrote: > > I found it interesting that they made mention of the > increase in cup size. Did they investigate, I > wonder, the phenomenon of breast enhancement and /or > increase in general bodyweight for the same period > of time? > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 18:34:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UMY0gj032549 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:34:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8UMY2fv010736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:34:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l8UMX0PT067670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UMWuT4015983; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:32:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8UMWr9h015889 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CFE104333 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:32:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4700243C.3050306@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:33:32 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hose pattern help References: <812487.62781.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <812487.62781.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5aea52f8-d95b-49e5-8f3c-3d3564807b09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4700245A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I know the tudor tailor webpage sells some and mediaval miscellanea too, maybe other companies? Have you tried any of such patterns? What experience did you have? What would be the best one to choose? > I used the Medieval Misc pattern about 20 *cough* years ago and had no trouble with it. However, I can't compare it to other patterns. It was cut on the bias and I thought, at the time, it worked well. I'd suggest picking one and making a test in a cheap, but similar fabric to the one you plan to use. Then you can make adjustments and do a little fitting before cutting your good fabric. > The man I'm doing it for is slim, about 20 years old, if that'll help you:-) > That'll save you having to fit around an extended belly, at least. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 21:25:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l911PssO004085 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:25:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l911Pp1q030191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:25:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l911Oeec085552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:24:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l911OaC6053833; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8UIcBEx007489 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:38:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 60466 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2007 18:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.150.3 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2007 18:38:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9fyX_pQVM1mRQrqU4Q1TVajxS5vhCexgT8vnVh80EGSUKcHYvYuVVLitCajlwIhVqgo2QI69i.EjhciltUlBCJFstPo- Message-ID: <001c01c80391$0c2d8470$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] belle epoch tea gown Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:38:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist X-UUID: 5e86db5c-d1d6-4c5f-980e-9457d0cd64dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47004C9F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Are you the Hostess or a visitor? Some teagowns are strictly for the Lady giving the party. Fran has some lovely possibilities for both in The Voice Of Fashion...with pattern shapes. Of course, the Visitor would be in the latest ton with hat, glove, perhaps lorgnette, and etc. have fun. There are some etiquette books of that time period to bring you up to date for dress and deportment for a Tea. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann marie" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] belle epoch tea gown > Looking forward to events in our community for a formal tea during the > Belle > Epoch era, may I ask for assistance from the collective wisdom of this > list > in appropriate dress? Your suggestions are most welcome > Ann > > -- > What wisdom can you find that is not greater than kindness? - Jean > Jacques > Rousseau > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 22:02:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91226Hn004655 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:02:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l912282r026125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:02:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9120e3I090363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9120cs3084304; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9120Zns084258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.221] (209-148-118-221.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l9120XZK015009 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:00:34 -0700 Message-ID: <470054C5.1000600@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:00:37 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] belle epoch tea gown References: <001c01c80391$0c2d8470$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <001c01c80391$0c2d8470$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9576b9bb-ed2e-4e5a-88dd-cd8904ecb65f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47005520.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > Fran has some lovely possibilities for both in The Voice Of > Fashion...with pattern shapes. Of course, the Visitor would be in the > latest ton with hat, glove, perhaps lorgnette, and etc. have fun. > There are some etiquette books of that time period to bring you up to > date for dress and deportment for a Tea. Thanks, Kathleen. I think there are also some in The Edwardian Modiste. Three points: A morning wrapper and a tea gown were often the same basic style. The difference wass in the materials and decorations. Flannel, printed calico, fairly sturdy white cottons, etc. were for wrappers. Soft silks, large quantities of lace and embroidery, etc. were for tea gowns. Neither a tea gown nor a wrapper is ever worn when going from one place to another. In other words, no one who was not living, or at least staying as a guest in the house, would be wearing one. Tea gowns, and to some extent wrappers, were clothing for married women (and invalids who were too ill to dress fully). This really is a marital status distinction, not an age distinction. Throughout the 19th century into the early 20th, a middle- or upper-class woman's career was (on the whole and with individual exceptions) marriage. This made it important to distinguish married women and unmarried young ladies by their clothing. Married women, widows, and spinsters who had given up were permitted to wear richer and more luxurious garments. Unmarried young ladies were supposed to look modest, but at the same time available. In this case wearing a lingeriesh garment at a tea party, especially with gentlemen present, would look too available and not sufficiently modest. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 22:37:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l912b1OW005189 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:37:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l912b3Wu006882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:37:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l912a3QJ093357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l912a0PS009037; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l912Zue9008930 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 23129 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2007 02:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's interesting...I had been Thinking, this last year or so, that it seemed to me that teen girls seemed to be bustier than I remembered from the 70s. I had been shrugging it off to the general chubbiness of the population, but this summer & fall I was really trying to notice, and it really did seem that more of the slender girls were bigger than I would expect. Then last weekend I went to my first high school football game in 20 years. I didn't need to pay attention to the game, since the nephew was on the sidelines recuperating from an injury. Folks, I _know_ this crowd. These are the grandkids & the kids of the families I went to school with. (And wasn't that its own mind-blowing little trip, but I digress.) Familiar names, faces, and bodies... but with bigger breasts. Something, or somethings, is different. There was definitely more boobage than there used to be. I don't mean skin on display, I mean cubic inches. There was definitely a shortage of candidates for the teeny tiny titty committee. Very odd indeed. I don't know how much is hormones in the diet, how much is medical enhancement, & how much is wonderbras, but the landscape was hillier than I used to see. And lots of those girls were NOT wearing any bra, let alone anything that could give that much boost. Your intrigued, Mary Piero Carey > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Sep 30 23:15:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l913FwUU006267 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:15:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l913FxVB009019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:16:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l913FTpA097531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:15:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l913FSnd040564; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l913FNmQ040405 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W4 ([65.55.133.39]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:15:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.230.211.84] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:15:17 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info> References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com> <47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2007 03:15:17.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ACCC720:01C803D9] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab1e9abc-9635-47c1-8b0b-26a53a9cdfdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4700666F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO [major soap boxing approaching ...] This is exactly what I was telling the Jockey Rep online this past week. My 12 year old daughter is ready for a training bra. She is 5'2 and a 32a, she is sooooo different from her current counterparts in JR HIGH!!! AAA!!!! They are bearly 5ft tall with busts of 32c's and up wearing underwire bras! I so feel for my daughter, to be different in Jr. High is a death sentence to many girls. It breaks my heart. In the conversation with the Jockey rep she let me know that the local stores to me in the entire DFW area are NOT ordering the Jockey trainer bra. That there is a trend to order bras for teens with underwire because of 1) Obese girls at this age and 2) They are not selling anything that is not wired. If I want a bra with no underwire or stiffen support ala Victoria's Secret new wireless line I have to order it online. Either that or I can keep her in sports bras. I fear that if I do that she will lose her shape and droop long before she is 15. I am just not ready to have my non-obese daughter to be forced into a bra that is being designed for a larger ribcage and bust line and added wire support for it. [major soap boxing off] Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Mary + Doug Piero Carey Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:34 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes That's interesting...I had been Thinking, this last year or so, that it seemed to me that teen girls seemed to be bustier than I remembered from the 70s. I had been shrugging it off to the general chubbiness of the population, but this summer & fall I was really trying to notice, and it really did seem that more of the slender girls were bigger than I would expect. Then last weekend I went to my first high school football game in 20 years. I didn't need to pay attention to the game, since the nephew was on the sidelines recuperating from an injury. Folks, I _know_ this crowd. These are the grandkids & the kids of the families I went to school with. (And wasn't that its own mind-blowing little trip, but I digress.) Familiar names, faces, and bodies... but with bigger breasts. Something, or somethings, is different. There was definitely more boobage than there used to be. I don't mean skin on display, I mean cubic inches. There was definitely a shortage of candidates for the teeny tiny titty committee. Very odd indeed. I don't know how much is hormones in the diet, how much is medical enhancement, & how much is wonderbras, but the landscape was hillier than I used to see. And lots of those girls were NOT wearing any bra, let alone anything that could give that much boost. Your intrigued, Mary Piero Carey > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume