From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 03:15:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917FJCI003110 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:15:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l917FMm7002034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:15:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l917EECW015610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917E6ih017683; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917E2Zt017617 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1IcFTc3eYn-0008S5; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com><47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info> <4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:13:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/I7zNhkQEbZi6W2jZvqw3GEQxhnYwgurGGBLh LY7sVIUSqJjjKe9bTyohxkY41WvrXUMUcs4bOaqYN1+yN0a8ew YxWHNqAy4eQFBCpZKa2Gg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 169a8a3b-b668-4007-ae30-187149ad66a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47009E8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: ROr Franchesca, Give your daughter a hug from me. All my friends in 8th grade were wearing bras and I didn't have a thing to put in one until I was in 11th grade. I learned later in life that being small chested was a blessing. My DIL also feels the same way. My youngest sister was well developed before any of my other sisters. Baby Sis is six years younger than me. My mother used to say, "Wait until you have a baby and they will come." When that did work after my first child, she said, "Wait until you are middle-aged, and they will come." After son #2 was born, I refused to breast fed, then they "came in" engorged. The pain was unbelievable! I decided that I would be happy with what I have. MY DIL used to wear a size 0 dress, and after her second child, she became engorged. She said that she never wanted bigger breast again. When I was pregnant with son #4, I was living with my MIL. He was an active child and loved to run his feet into my ribs. This caused my bra to move upward and I complained to my MIL. She was WELL-endowed and said, "Honey, if I had as little as you, I would NEVER wear a bra." I got it! Official permission from my MIL to not wear a bra!!! This was 1985 so the no bra fashion of the 1970s made it acceptable. I have probably worn a bra 50 times, at most, since then. My breast have not sagged and are still like they were in my 20s. I gave my MIL official permission to my DIL to not wear a bra and she doesn't wear one now. What my MIL said not upset me. She immediately showed me the reason. She pulled up her blouse and showed me the heat rash under her breast, and the deep cut sores on her shoulders from her bra straps. She said that she has had them for years and they were very painful. My mother is large chested and showed me the same problems that bras have done to her. Last year, my mother told me that her petite chested mother never wore a bra and looked great her whole life. This was the greatest gift my MIL ever gave me. I have never found a bra that fits me correctly. If you are an A cup, you really do not need to wear a bra. But I understand the teenagers wanting to be in bras when everyone else is wearing them. If you really want to put your daughter in something, try a sports bra. My daughter hated training bras but loved sports bras. Today a lot of the teenagers to young adults are not real! They are enhanced and this is socially acceptable. We live in the fake generation. Fake hair, tans, boobs, hair-color, bleached teeth, etc. There are ways of hiding not wearing a bra (the nipple issue.) ***I started growing my hair long after son #4 was born. My hair has been below breast length since 1986. I never had it trimmed shorter since. Also son #4 when a baby would go to sleep holding my braid. Until he was five years old and he was upset he would sit in my lap and pet my long braid. ***I wear t-shirts around the house. When I first started not wearing a bra, I made sure the t-shirt had a pocket or printed logo on the front. The opposing side of the pocket, is where my braid or ponytail resides. If my shirt/blouse does not have a pocket or logo, I let my hair down. ***A Maidenform saleslady taught me this one. Don't purchase those fancy flesh colored stickers to go over the nipples. Only purchase the fancy ones for hot dates! Go to the drug store or supermarket and purchase large Band-Aids. They generally come 10 to a box for a dollar or two. I use the store brands made of plastic. The cloth ones have too much adhesive and can cause bruising or irritation when removing. Also remove the Band-Aids while taking a bath. Put a little baby oil on the breast after removal. The removes all the band glue and moisturizes the skin. For a person with small nipples, you can cut the Band-Aids in half lengthwise and use the remainder on the other breast. Someone with larger nipples, use the entire band on each breast. I have professionally dressed many of ladies and teenagers over the years. Here are some of the tricks of the trade for enlargement: ***I once had a student crying in the bathroom because her chest did not fill out a dress that she had to wear immediately. I am a pro at "making boobs." I pulled some tissue paper and increased boob size the old-fashioned way. Needless to say, she stopped crying. ***This is my newest solution! Most of the cammies with an open space to slip pads in. There are also cups like a bra without straps or a back that will slide into cammies easily. But they do have a piece or elastic joining the cups. I have also sewn cups into some evening dresses. ***Another solution that I use, is to purchase these empire waisted tops with the cups built in without underwires. I wear them under close fitting tops. These tops come in various colors and have spaghetti straps. I have found at Macy's and JC Penneys. I purchased every color available. The down side to these tops, I have found very few with cups stitched into bust. When you wash them, the pad will fold over like a shoulder pad. You either have to stitch the pads in place from the back lining or pin them in place prior to washing. ***My kits has several breast pads in various cup sizes. I purchase them at Hancock Fabrics. If I am working a play, before dress rehearsal, I buy pad that they have in stock. The key to cleavage, is to put the pads under the breast and slightly toward the armpit in a bra cup. Make sure the wearer pulls "the girls up" before putting the pads in. This pushes the breast up better than an underwire and they look more natural. My first play, I purchased the pads for two actresses. After the other actresses saw how nice the two actresses looked, they came in begging me (in their words) to "make boobs" for them. After that play, I have been know locally as the person who can make boobs. ***You can also purchase the "Natural." I have only used these once. They adhere to the breast and feel like real breast but do not breathe. So you can fell hot quickly. ***In magazines, film, etc. They are using spray-on cleavage. They are actually spraying a line down the center of the chest in a darker shade than the person's skin color to create a shadow. This process is also used to create abs on stomachs for those diet advertisements and music videos. My daughter has the opposite problem of yours. She started blooming at 10 y.o. Her doctor told me that when girls chests start blooming, that their period will start generally one year later. And it did. I asked why girls are starting their period so early. He said because of livestock being given steroids and antibiotics. He also stated that many GYN doctors are prescribing hormones to girls in puberty to control mood swings. Hormones are being prescribed as young as 11-12 y.o girls. A good majority of my daughter's friend have been on hormones in puberty. When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. When my daughter first needed a bra, we had a hard time finding bras. I was pulling my hair out. I can say, do not go to The Gap for trainer bras. Also Victoria's Secret measured her incorrectly. Training bras should not be expensive. They want way too much for them. Sears does have a nice selection. I found a bigger selection a KMart. This was before Sears bought KMart but you might want to check there. When you find a brand of bras that she does like and they fit well, stick with it! I hate underwires for the same reasons as others..the poking problem. I take a seam ripper and make a small cut to remove them. One TV series that shows how a bra should probably fit is "Tim Gunn's Guide to Style" (TGGTS.) It is on Bravo! Thursday nights. They are only six episodes and I believe this Thursday is episode 5, then Project Runway begins. The first two episodes really shows how to know if a bra fits properly. If you don't catch it repeating during the day, let me know. I have been videotaping the show and can loan you my copies. I agree with the show that everyone needs a good foundation. Some parts of the show I don't agree with. But the foundation is very important. Today a women shouldn't have to suffer with an ill-fitting bra. When the woman on the show has a proper fitting bras, the co-host or Tim calls it "happy bra face." I have to laugh because I saw my daughter with the happy bra face last month on our shopping trip. Lastly, one of the principal problems with cup sizes is that everyone's bust is not shaped the same way. Some are completely rounded, some have more tissue underneath and to the sides, etc. That is why if you find a bra manufacturer that you like, stick with them. Most manufacturers do not change their cup sizing molds for years. Good luck Franchesca! Remember to have a lot of patience. As frustrated as you are, your daughter is probably twice as much. I really feel for single fathers when they take their puberty-age daughters bra shopping! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes > [major soap boxing approaching ...] > > This is exactly what I was telling the Jockey Rep online this past week. > > My 12 year old daughter is ready for a training bra. She is 5'2 and a 32a, > she is sooooo different from her current counterparts in JR HIGH!!! > AAA!!!! > They are bearly 5ft tall with busts of 32c's and up wearing underwire > bras! > > I so feel for my daughter, to be different in Jr. High is a death sentence > to many girls. It breaks my heart. > > In the conversation with the Jockey rep she let me know that the local > stores to me in the entire DFW area are NOT ordering the Jockey trainer > bra. > That there is a trend to order bras for teens with underwire because of 1) > Obese girls at this age and 2) They are not selling anything that is not > wired. > > If I want a bra with no underwire or stiffen support ala Victoria's Secret > new wireless line I have to order it online. Either that or I can keep her > in sports bras. I fear that if I do that she will lose her shape and droop > long before she is 15. > > I am just not ready to have my non-obese daughter to be forced into a bra > that is being designed for a larger ribcage and bust line and added wire > support for it. > > [major soap boxing off] > > Chiara Francesca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Mary + Doug Piero Carey > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:34 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes > > That's interesting...I had been Thinking, this last year or so, that it > seemed to me that teen girls seemed to be bustier than I remembered from > the 70s. I had been shrugging it off to the general chubbiness of the > population, but this summer & fall I was really trying to notice, and it > really did seem that more of the slender girls were bigger than I would > expect. Then last weekend I went to my first high school football game > in 20 years. I didn't need to pay attention to the game, since the > nephew was on the sidelines recuperating from an injury. Folks, I > _know_ this crowd. These are the grandkids & the kids of the families I > went to school with. (And wasn't that its own mind-blowing little trip, > but I digress.) Familiar names, faces, and bodies... but with bigger > breasts. Something, or somethings, is different. There was definitely > more boobage than there used to be. I don't mean skin on display, I > mean cubic inches. There was definitely a shortage of candidates for > the teeny tiny titty committee. Very odd indeed. I don't know how much > is hormones in the diet, how much is medical enhancement, & how much is > wonderbras, but the landscape was hillier than I used to see. And lots > of those girls were NOT wearing any bra, let alone anything that could > give that much boost. > > Your intrigued, > > Mary Piero Carey > >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 03:30:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917UweH004161 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:30:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l917V0Dj000765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:31:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l917USAv016710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917URpL029588; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917UO2P029555 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1IcFjT0aM1-0007XD; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:30:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com><47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info><4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:29:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/h3Ge1adGtmV08xumsMDG7rL31rZnt2dtGNhp inJV4pFKKkfClvAVVGkDvxwUu75G/Gj1A5FlgmfCrd+37wIbqZ e84eAUrSy+nhj6Y3nJF8Q== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c179c768-21d6-49cc-9b26-0c72154be803 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4700A234.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am sending my message again. I am sorry for two things. First apology, some of you may not have received my first message because "s-p-a-m"was written in the subject header. Below is my reply again. Sometimes my anti-spamware tags okay messages with the word spam in the subject header. I replied and forgot to remove the word from the header. My second apology is to those on digest mode. I forgot to delete out the old messages from the tail of my message. I was on digest mode last week and know what a pain it is when people do not delete out the old message when replying. For those who missed this the first time... > Franchesca, > > Give your daughter a hug from me. All my friends in 8th grade were > wearing bras and I didn't have a thing to put in one until I was in 11th > grade. I learned later in life that being small chested was a blessing. > My DIL also feels the same way. My youngest sister was well developed > before any of my other sisters. Baby Sis is six years younger than me. > > My mother used to say, "Wait until you have a baby and they will come." > When that did work after my first child, she said, "Wait until you are > middle-aged, and they will come." > > After son #2 was born, I refused to breast fed, then they "came in" > engorged. The pain was unbelievable! I decided that I would be happy > with what I have. MY DIL used to wear a size 0 dress, and after her > second child, she became engorged. She said that she never wanted bigger > breast again. > > When I was pregnant with son #4, I was living with my MIL. He was an > active child and loved to run his feet into my ribs. This caused my bra > to move upward and I complained to my MIL. She was WELL-endowed and said, > "Honey, if I had as little as you, I would NEVER wear a bra." I got it! > Official permission from my MIL to not wear a bra!!! This was 1985 so the > no bra fashion of the 1970s made it acceptable. I have probably worn a > bra 50 times, at most, since then. My breast have not sagged and are > still like they were in my 20s. I gave my MIL official permission to my > DIL to not wear a bra and she doesn't wear one now. What my MIL said not > upset me. She immediately showed me the reason. She pulled up her blouse > and showed me the heat rash under her breast, and the deep cut sores on > her shoulders from her bra straps. She said that she has had them for > years and they were very painful. My mother is large chested and showed > me the same problems that bras have done to her. Last year, my mother > told me that her petite chested mother never wore a bra and looked great > her whole life. This was the greatest gift my MIL ever gave me. I have > never found a bra that fits me correctly. > > If you are an A cup, you really do not need to wear a bra. But I > understand the teenagers wanting to be in bras when everyone else is > wearing them. If you really want to put your daughter in something, try a > sports bra. My daughter hated training bras but loved sports bras. > > Today a lot of the teenagers to young adults are not real! They are > enhanced and this is socially acceptable. We live in the fake generation. > Fake hair, tans, boobs, hair-color, bleached teeth, etc. > > There are ways of hiding not wearing a bra (the nipple issue.) > ***I started growing my hair long after son #4 was born. My hair has been > below breast length since 1986. I never had it trimmed shorter since. > Also son #4 when a baby would go to sleep holding my braid. Until he was > five years old and he was upset he would sit in my lap and pet my long > braid. > ***I wear t-shirts around the house. When I first started not wearing a > bra, I made sure the t-shirt had a pocket or printed logo on the front. > The opposing side of the pocket, is where my braid or ponytail resides. > If my shirt/blouse does not have a pocket or logo, I let my hair down. > ***A Maidenform saleslady taught me this one. Don't purchase those fancy > flesh colored stickers to go over the nipples. Only purchase the fancy > ones for hot dates! Go to the drug store or supermarket and purchase > large Band-Aids. They generally come 10 to a box for a dollar or two. I > use the store brands made of plastic. The cloth ones have too much > adhesive and can cause bruising or irritation when removing. Also remove > the Band-Aids while taking a bath. Put a little baby oil on the breast > after removal. The removes all the band glue and moisturizes the skin. > For a person with small nipples, you can cut the Band-Aids in half > lengthwise and use the remainder on the other breast. Someone with larger > nipples, use the entire band on each breast. > > I have professionally dressed many of ladies and teenagers over the years. > Here are some of the tricks of the trade for enlargement: > > ***I once had a student crying in the bathroom because her chest did not > fill out a dress that she had to wear immediately. I am a pro at "making > boobs." I pulled some tissue paper and increased boob size the > old-fashioned way. Needless to say, she stopped crying. > ***This is my newest solution! Most of the cammies with an open space to > slip pads in. There are also cups like a bra without straps or a back > that will slide into cammies easily. But they do have a piece or elastic > joining the cups. I have also sewn cups into some evening dresses. > ***Another solution that I use, is to purchase these empire waisted tops > with the cups built in without underwires. I wear them under close > fitting tops. These tops come in various colors and have spaghetti > straps. I have found at Macy's and JC Penneys. I purchased every color > available. The down side to these tops, I have found very few with cups > stitched into bust. When you wash them, the pad will fold over like a > shoulder pad. You either have to stitch the pads in place from the back > lining or pin them in place prior to washing. > ***My kits has several breast pads in various cup sizes. I purchase them > at Hancock Fabrics. If I am working a play, before dress rehearsal, I buy > pad that they have in stock. The key to cleavage, is to put the pads > under the breast and slightly toward the armpit in a bra cup. Make sure > the wearer pulls "the girls up" before putting the pads in. This pushes > the breast up better than an underwire and they look more natural. My > first play, I purchased the pads for two actresses. After the other > actresses saw how nice the two actresses looked, they came in begging me > (in their words) to "make boobs" for them. After that play, I have been > know locally as the person who can make boobs. > ***You can also purchase the "Natural." I have only used these once. > They adhere to the breast and feel like real breast but do not breathe. > So you can fell hot quickly. > ***In magazines, film, etc. They are using spray-on cleavage. They are > actually spraying a line down the center of the chest in a darker shade > than the person's skin color to create a shadow. This process is also > used to create abs on stomachs for those diet advertisements and music > videos. > > My daughter has the opposite problem of yours. She started blooming at 10 > y.o. Her doctor told me that when girls chests start blooming, that their > period will start generally one year later. And it did. I asked why > girls are starting their period so early. He said because of livestock > being given steroids and antibiotics. He also stated that many GYN > doctors are prescribing hormones to girls in puberty to control mood > swings. Hormones are being prescribed as young as 11-12 y.o girls. A > good majority of my daughter's friend have been on hormones in puberty. > > When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us that > if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number and > down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because the > selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a bra > is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays flat > against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, the bra is > not the correct size. > > When my daughter first needed a bra, we had a hard time finding bras. I > was pulling my hair out. I can say, do not go to The Gap for trainer > bras. Also Victoria's Secret measured her incorrectly. Training bras > should not be expensive. They want way too much for them. Sears does > have a nice selection. I found a bigger selection a KMart. This was > before Sears bought KMart but you might want to check there. When you > find a brand of bras that she does like and they fit well, stick with it! > > I hate underwires for the same reasons as others..the poking problem. I > take a seam ripper and make a small cut to remove them. > > One TV series that shows how a bra should probably fit is "Tim Gunn's > Guide to Style" (TGGTS.) It is on Bravo! Thursday nights. They are only > six episodes and I believe this Thursday is episode 5, then Project Runway > begins. The first two episodes really shows how to know if a bra fits > properly. If you don't catch it repeating during the day, let me know. I > have been videotaping the show and can loan you my copies. I agree with > the show that everyone needs a good foundation. Some parts of the show I > don't agree with. But the foundation is very important. Today a women > shouldn't have to suffer with an ill-fitting bra. When the woman on the > show has a proper fitting bras, the co-host or Tim calls it "happy bra > face." I have to laugh because I saw my daughter with the happy bra face > last month on our shopping trip. > > Lastly, one of the principal problems with cup sizes is that everyone's > bust is not shaped the same way. Some are completely rounded, some have > more tissue underneath and to the sides, etc. That is why if you find a > bra manufacturer that you like, stick with them. Most manufacturers do > not change their cup sizing molds for years. > > Good luck Franchesca! Remember to have a lot of patience. As frustrated > as you are, your daughter is probably twice as much. I really feel for > single fathers when they take their puberty-age daughters bra shopping! > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 03:47:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917lfwF005319 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:47:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l917lhUP023871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:47:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l917lF7D018300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917lDJ4042773; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l917l966042662 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 611886437-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.37.109 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAA5DAEdPSCVt/2dsb2JhbACBWQ Received: from 79-72-37-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.37.109]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 01 Oct 2007 08:47:03 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071001084337.0337cd50@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:46:50 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) In-Reply-To: <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com> <47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info> <4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb8013bc-ff38-4123-b7d8-0675b140786e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4700A61F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > >Lastly, one of the principal problems with cup sizes is that >everyone's bust is not shaped the same way. Some are completely >rounded, some have more tissue underneath and to the sides, >etc. That is why if you find a bra manufacturer that you like, >stick with them. Most manufacturers do not change their cup sizing >molds for years. Playtex is now making some of its bras in half cup sizes - newspaper article last week in England. However, needless to say the larger sizes are not included, and I will have to continue to take tucks in some of my bras to make them fit. I could really do with a C and a half! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 09:07:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91D7Cv2007468 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:07:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91D7Eob006845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91D6BSN065087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91D68Dh038146; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91D6312037886 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:07:15 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B679A@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes Thread-Index: AcgD2Zf7Xe+DncLaTnGiZ/022fJUOAAUjlYg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2007 13:07:15.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD095050:01C8042B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d63f5abb-53bc-4be6-95a7-d3794e5cf44a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4700F102.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Goes along with the itty bitty bladder club (only better) PAtty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of zelda crusher Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:33:44 -0400> From: mary.doug@pierocarey.info> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes> >> the teeny tiny titty committee>=20 > > > >=20 (picks self up after a good long ROFL) Thank you for that little linguistic treat, Mary! =20 Laurie _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx_____________________________________ __________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 09:21:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91DLQA2007901 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:21:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91DLTfN006640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:21:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91DG8ju066353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91DG7Xd048789; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91DG4Rj048659 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bestinterests@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id l24so5119085waf for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:15:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=fKdb910Z6c8REqheWRPJCkNrDtpHCNu2xf1coklqD/8=; b=kbyD+DbZ4hi2tM7IIOELRaZtxjArgN4LFR3JPyO04KykHa2BBpJq+ujru8KaqddFzXjMms6jzH6iAFaMnC83hlko0r4JFNnjC0l1JS3LBS7/QFPfjmAi3NhjxrWamwHI5uICKXN/hM5TlZbgut8y39lsvoaLjJO2wRIM+JK8HNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=DIsJVXeH3eEl2o3Nb0WkGv3qmEIdYAJpENEiFFJKCB65pDWho526rLcY14Pe7Inymmmc8UT9uhp90WP3dLo1XduCKHq713LXF3eQcEUoUIQF0oAqIalrS9fEYfKlXNlFvHw6sj12DaLIOsk0VvKlW63YldCOuaVji2Qx3D6anXQ= Received: by 10.115.74.1 with SMTP id b1mr525144wal.1191244558859; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.34.3 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:15:58 -0700 From: "ann marie" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] more on tea gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83a8d645-7ad1-496a-941b-5d3723baaf6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4700F459.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran and Kathleen wrote about the tea gown for the Belle Epoque (thank you for not reminding me of my spelling error) period. For your further guidance, I will be a visitor at a hotel where the event is held. I am, ahem, not a young girl, nor likely to fool anyone that I will be near that age again, but I am divorced. Given this information, and the additional concern that this is not in my home, nor am I a guest of someone else, what should I do to be appropriately dressed? Thank you for all of the information about the beautiful gowns! Did the exhibition of gowns have a catalog? I will be looking at purchasing the referenced books, but do not wish to embarrass myself in my enthusiasm. Are there specific references to the service of tea that will help me learn a bit more? Ann -- What wisdom can you find that is not greater than kindness? - Jean Jacques Rousseau _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 09:57:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91DvMV1009169 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:57:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91DvN6t027591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:57:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91DulvA073738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91DukxA092123; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sca.uwaterloo.ca (sca.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.56.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91DugQg092063 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eric@sca.uwaterloo.ca) Received: from sca.uwaterloo.ca (sca.uwaterloo.ca [127.0.0.1]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91DuZlB009149 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:56:35 -0400 Received: (from eric@localhost) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0/Submit) id l91DuZ8j009148 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:56:35 -0400 From: eric@sca.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <200710011356.l91DuZ8j009148@sca.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:56:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> from "Penny Ladnier" at Oct 01, 2007 03:13:26 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c34338c-e163-47e9-85cc-92c83d7f6029 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4700FCC4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Give your daughter a hug from me. All my friends in 8th grade were wearing > bras and I didn't have a thing to put in one until I was in 11th grade. One comment. Read some books by MD John McDougall; in particular a book he wrote just for women. Puberty is accelerated by a high fat diet. Our SAD (Standard Wester Diet) is unpresidented in history and a side effect of high fat, high protein, high animal proteins is that the age of menarch is reduced. This results in a dramatic increase in breast (and other hormone cancers). A vegetarian diet will cut your hormones in half, delay menarch, make menopause come a few years sooner, remove/reduce PMS and more. That's based upon research and personal experience of friends. Of course one can be obese and unhealthy on a vegetarian diet- eat lots of animal proteins (cheese, diary), lots of processed foods .... I highly recommend reading The China Study by T. Colin Campbell and books by MDs John McDougall, Joel Fuhrman (esp. the book for kids), Dr Esselstyn, Neil Barnard and of course John Robbins. The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other "western" diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a chemical hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing is that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside..... The nice thing about a change in diet is that there are no nasty side effects as there are with ALL drugs; no surgery is necessary and it costs nothing. Another excellent book is Overdosed America by an MD who researched changes he saw happening in his practice. It's quite an eye opener. When my wife discovered a book of mine - Diet For a Small Planet we were whole-food vegetarian, for environmental reasons, the next day. After much research I went pretty well whole-food vegan. Whole-food; not processed crap food - 80% whole carbs, 10% plant protein, 10% fats from foods; not added fats when cooking. Our weight droped; our blood cholesterol fell thru the floor (135 anyone?) to a level that is likely undoing the dammage of decades of eating SAD, gums are better, teeth don't require "scaling" and many other side effects. I pity the children being raised eating a SAD. I see them in the playgrounds; obese parents and kids already there or getting there. The health problems of the parents are visited upon the children decades earlier in life. In Britain there have already been court cases - taking parents to court for the health effects of what the parents are doing to the children. If what you eat makes you unhealthy you can expect it to have the same effect on your kids! Anyways; read the books; The China Study in particular. Please don't take this personally. I'm not going to post about this again. I've got family and friends that match the above situation. They're too busy (we suggest reading about Voluntary Simplicity) or the ridicule our diet as their health and lives sink; as they get hospitalized as they "live it up" and go from obese with diabeties to being on dialsis, to loosing their vision (typically due to high cholesterol from the diet).... One can pray and inform and lead by example but as they say - we dig our graves with our teeth. It's all been known for a long long time. - Eric _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 10:33:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91EXWEj010401 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:33:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91EXYr0008159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:33:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91EWKVq082628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:32:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91EWH98033700; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l91DvCxY092469 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 85207 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2007 13:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.162.47 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2007 13:57:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1y_kx2AVM1kaqL_bb6WY_rRTM55ykYoWJ7Gtxf0Aa7dIGLP3BPEJ5L0QIB3MBq_0OhTFyUsOkQLoT5lvfy3xo48jPeD81HbJcse7W_v.YJ_QRAT5wARQ Message-ID: <003201c80432$f6351910$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] more on tea gowns Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:57:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d2221e4-1312-4f24-ad96-6eae985832d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4701053E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would concentrate on the Season of the Tea...Not quite so frou-frou as the summer season would be. Something classy but in a fall mode: a silk faille suit with lace insertions, and of course, THE HAT! Also of consideration is the time of day for the event. The closer to evening, the dressier the ensemble. There were several films done in the 1970-80s that captured the feel of the times that might be of use to you in trying to get the right look for your age and status. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann marie" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] more on tea gowns > Fran and Kathleen wrote about the tea gown for the Belle Epoque (thank > you > for not reminding me of my spelling error) period. For your further > guidance, I will be a visitor at a hotel where the event is held. I am, > ahem, not a young girl, nor likely to fool anyone that I will be near that > age again, but I am divorced. Given this information, and the additional > concern that this is not in my home, nor am I a guest of someone else, > what > should I do to be appropriately dressed? > Thank you for all of the information about the beautiful gowns! Did the > exhibition of gowns have a catalog? I will be looking at purchasing the > referenced books, but do not wish to embarrass myself in my enthusiasm. > Are > there specific references to the service of tea that will help me learn a > bit more? > Ann > > > > > -- > What wisdom can you find that is not greater than kindness? - Jean > Jacques > Rousseau > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 10:44:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91EiLwo010844 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:44:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91EiN34031392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:44:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91Ei3Gw084392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91EhxrZ046949; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91EhtGX046771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38973) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IcMUq-0008V0-W5; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:43:46 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:43:44 -0400 Message-ID: <20071001104344.08ih42k3ggswco8w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:43:44 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com><47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info><4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44108d2b-e78c-4616-a94e-48f616114c3f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470107C7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Penny Ladnier : >> >> When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told =20 >> us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next =20 >> number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did =20 >> this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. =20 >> Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap =20 >> between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is =20 >> away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. >> If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of =20 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to =20 a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me =20 rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I =20 do, however, have insurance now. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 10:53:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91Ermu0011230 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:53:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91EroT2030159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:53:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91ErNg3085991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:53:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91ErLJp058688; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:53:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91ErHcs058516 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:54:29 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B686C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <20071001104344.08ih42k3ggswco8w@www.goldsword.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Thread-Index: AcgEOcTI5lTEuIO/RKGNfBmhBr2IWQAAQdWA From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2007 14:54:29.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7E121C0:01C8043A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 292603e7-252a-495c-9d38-d6141c59cb4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470109FE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My mother had the same problem - Title 9 catalogue had some that would fit her, but as you say $$$.=20 Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:44 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Quoting Penny Ladnier : >> >> When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told =20 >> us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next =20 >> number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did =20 >> this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. =20 >> Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap =20 >> between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is =20 >> away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. >> If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of =20 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to =20 a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me =20 rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I =20 do, however, have insurance now. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 11:06:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91F6bpe011693 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:06:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91F6dim006998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:06:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91F6MJd088390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91F6KX2075375; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91F6Gkg075176 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c57.18f534a2 (30740) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:06:05 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0dee22c-784f-4c55-8eb7-70f5db18d4a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47010CFF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO speaking as a natural 34G, who has the same problem, have to say, I'm with you!!! In a message dated 01/10/2007 15:54:41 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I do, however, have insurance now. susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 11:11:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FBk9w011832 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:11:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91FBmHl002507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:11:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91FBLgq089332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FBIeb081754; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FBEpH081500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53012) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IcMvK-0007UC-LN; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:11:06 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:11:06 -0400 Message-ID: <20071001111106.zkcbfd1e04c4gos4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:11:06 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B686C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B686C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5ba76e5-8932-42ba-adf8-328f148ec6d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47010E35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Last time I looked (1988), they were $100 ..... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 11:16:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FGLQq011944 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:16:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91FGOvW007024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:16:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91FFrtK090299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FFnuB087668; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FFkPA087481 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:17:03 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:17:01 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <20071001111106.zkcbfd1e04c4gos4@www.goldsword.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Thread-Index: AcgEPZgBIXsxbcRES7i3FdOm6cHJJAAAFd/g From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2007 15:17:03.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F24AD80:01C8043E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2bdd6b29-74a5-4cca-abdc-155765e70107 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47010F48.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Last time I looked (1988), they were $100 ..... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 11:25:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FPWik012307 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:25:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91FPYq5006706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:25:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91FP92A091636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FP48a098359; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FOhMV098002 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.49970448; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:24:20 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l91FOJh16292.; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:24:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:24:19 +0100 Message-Id: <47011F2802000014000DB11D@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:24:08 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <200710011454.l91ErbxP059022@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710011454.l91ErbxP059022@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef7a2929-b612-4987-87d6-6fe8d01c6a24 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4701116E.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 11:35:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FZBIM012703 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:35:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91FZDu6014946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:35:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91FY5vB093306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FY1sl009870; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l91FXu3T009683 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABDSCE4UARXBDUJ for (sender ); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:33:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgi/hJAk5sV2E2LVC17Gy7mU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MYYR88Q8; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:33:02 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:28:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Message-ID: <20071001.083222.3788.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7,9-36 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 13:6:2176829211 X-MAIL-INFO: 3b6dd4edd440c42140c43041c430adf9e48da95561b18d31f18561a4317999c931941dd06d806d544530f4c46d41 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92af38cd-41ad-4cc1-993c-c3ed9488dc37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470113B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Have any of you checked out Caccique bras? I swear by them. They seem to be able to comfortably fit anyone and come in a variety of styles. The big selling point for me is that while I'm not all that busty, I have a rib cage that belongs on a football player, and could never find bras that fit right until I found them. Lane Bryant carries the line. Arlys On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:46:50 +0100 Suzi Clarke writes: > > > > > > >Lastly, one of the principal problems with cup sizes is that > >everyone's bust is not shaped the same way. Some are completely > >rounded, some have more tissue underneath and to the sides, > >etc. That is why if you find a bra manufacturer that you like, > >stick with them. Most manufacturers do not change their cup sizing > > >molds for years. > > > Playtex is now making some of its bras in half cup sizes - newspaper > > article last week in England. However, needless to say the larger > sizes are not included, and I will have to continue to take tucks in > > some of my bras to make them fit. I could really do with a C and a > half! > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 11:42:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FgZsb012878 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:42:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91FgbY6005810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:42:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91FgFi8094840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FgCkA019861; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91FfeHX019191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54475) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IcNOm-0007GT-14; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:41:32 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:41:31 -0400 Message-ID: <20071001114131.rxj7o7c1cogsow04@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:41:31 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <20071001.083222.3788.1.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20071001.083222.3788.1.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7411e76a-ec51-4bea-98b6-94f143b5bf04 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4701156D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO So how do you deal with "try before you buy?" I'm so weirdly shaped that different styles from the same manufacturer don't always fit. I wore *one* style of bra for 20 years because none of Bali's other styles fit! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 12:04:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91G4Pc6013407 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:04:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91G4Rq2004085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:04:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91G3hdx099089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91G3egB048127; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91G3XBe047866 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A32510456A for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:03:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:04:20 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8082200d-5067-4e9b-996a-970c38ab7d9c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47011A8B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Rickard, Patty wrote: > WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought > that was a lot!) > I think that's about average for a higher quality bra these days. As we age our bodies change, for a variety of reasons. When you're 40, you don't wear a bra for the same reason you did when you were 15. A lot of us are probably still trying to buy the same size and style we wore in high school. I think a lot of people need to re-asses their bra. Every time I hear someone say the straps cut in or the wire hurts,or it shifts around, or some other uncomfortable thing, I know they're not wearing the right size and shape of bra. It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. As historic costumers we make a big fuss about the comfort of corsets, making sure we get one properly fitted to us so it will be comfortable. We make sure we have the right shape for our figure and our clothing. We choose high quality materials and we carefully handwash the garment when it is soiled. But many of us do not take the same care with our modern underpinnings. And why not? It makes all the difference when it comes to our personal comfort. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 12:09:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91G9gAU013556 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:09:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91G9i6X010772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:09:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91G9BbM000198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91G98ZJ055469; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91G93lH055350 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so8625044nze for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0fK8T509qbA8mPEg+7VdWKa2Bt0wOLneMLDVX2xrZEk=; b=AbZKTRE6FjwKBpVqKhFVrayFpfNDfp5H+9o2pUwLTjGzWCkTyB/S4FUcHWK6DBdsMXqoV92GmvbBxZEf+8fEexRsQ5vOtLvC8qJzsL/KqbGQXoFsegLCP0/Cn1HdljWm7P2IK+eTZV0WhsqKCwi0isyr2/3zZC9OyfWgIKQaElA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NjbaaoAnogmlFKtpf0alJEVCQhwETuqORyRs/3LEpDkkcQWRPw6Gro78GqdGpbAw2cuR37iXRzGf/dsS+GuonAkZbGYNcAx2prXA3ok8piw7oOLy2t1xmQxbeesw+tw9dfDx/9rZMh9W0OtHzD6qPUWLmnZtrZ2KyywM2zzdg4Y= Received: by 10.64.193.2 with SMTP id q2mr14804374qbf.1191254938062; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.123.5 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <475bc2c50710010908i222fc3a0w8884fd07f92293f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:08:57 -0500 From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) In-Reply-To: <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d5a514a-09f3-4a76-bcb3-234c9f893e3a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47011BC8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO WOOT!! Thanks everyone!! I found the perfect bra for my daughter. :) http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?GrpTyp=PRD&ItemID=125cf98&RefPage=Products&StoreRegNo=&catalog_base=&firstpage=&CmCatId=SearchResults|SearchDepartment|SearchProducts|42249&cmOrigID=125CFA2&cmPosID=2 I know, long link, but it is a maidenform sold at my local JCPenney. Going to run there today and get them for her. Front closure with no underwire! She will be happpy now to go to the showers with this pretty thing. :) She currently wears the cami's with the extra shelf in it but she wants to 'look like the other girls'. Sigh. Baby steps .... Chiara On 10/1/07, Dawn wrote: > > Rickard, Patty wrote: > > WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought > > that was a lot!) > > > > I think that's about average for a higher quality bra these days. > > As we age our bodies change, for a variety of reasons. When you're 40, > you don't wear a bra for the same reason you did when you were 15. A lot > of us are probably still trying to buy the same size and style we wore > in high school. I think a lot of people need to re-asses their bra. > Every time I hear someone say the straps cut in or the wire hurts,or it > shifts around, or some other uncomfortable thing, I know they're not > wearing the right size and shape of bra. > > It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done > earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are > equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right > for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now > I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer > buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. > > As historic costumers we make a big fuss about the comfort of corsets, > making sure we get one properly fitted to us so it will be comfortable. > We make sure we have the right shape for our figure and our clothing. We > choose high quality materials and we carefully handwash the garment when > it is soiled. But many of us do not take the same care with our modern > underpinnings. And why not? It makes all the difference when it comes > to our personal comfort. > > > > Dawn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 12:11:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GBZ8T013620 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:11:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91GBXN7022613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91GAPiF000530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GAJCD057076; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GADmh056731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55351) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IcNqN-00083B-BC; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:10:03 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20071001121003.bfqqyhobrk8sw88o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:10:03 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a546ea22-2116-431a-af9a-f2768aeb3c68 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47011C36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Dawn : > Rickard, Patty wrote: >> WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought >> that was a lot!) >> > > It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done > earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are > equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt > right for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the > comfort, now I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. > I no longer buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department > stores. > I second that; I was able to be fitted exactly once. However, when =20 the store that's doing the fittings doesn't have anything that will =20 fit you because most "mass market" bra manufactures thing that if you =20 wear a G (or higher cup) then you need a bra band of 38 or so .... =20 rather than 32/34 ..... That's why I don't want to mail order a bra that I can't try on first. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 12:17:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GH7MO013817 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:17:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91GH9ia026486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91GGZf0001839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GG5eh065168; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GFo7R064758 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:15:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so8627396nze for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UadJoslvrdmWGBi+WWpSpwta21ZmM1tViSFIlbS2aS8=; b=e7H6jtZHIb+yFWK7ZRcC7F9ap3pjWKL2dX5M6Zn6YaExzBEqbwwlW9ASOsdwVM64S8WRHcnzubVSCuFRmAKqpCdJGKvHhxk15OUMZ6ugUHkeUfkVyT8XgNmGq7YTv6KIQI/wcbGrBL3g5iPlPTYDEq9n1m6v6lMaZcERewTS3do= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ldKMOtptgwpqpc8uILip0qnihadqKh+XpTJk82HQp2DFNOyWI9M/TgjutZKtAXbmTwO8J+eKeBbnWVIZp9zaJfDZ4KFoZ92eiaKBE7emWq78vx8K4MINRODy66U0eVhKqzfjVOmVIBNJie8P0E7IYoTzD5mFAiXtVd6Y9MAzX0U= Received: by 10.65.214.19 with SMTP id r19mr3230927qbq.1191255347803; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.123.5 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <475bc2c50710010915x734d88a9o6df286c12e4899c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:15:47 -0500 From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) In-Reply-To: <003601c8043a$ca5bb080$6501a8c0@TheBeast> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com> <47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info> <4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <20071001104344.08ih42k3ggswco8w@www.goldsword.com> <003601c8043a$ca5bb080$6501a8c0@TheBeast> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5437a113-9b68-4ef9-8007-29884330ac83 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47011D85.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Have you tried places like http://sewtrue.com/Store/Bridal-and-Formal-Supplies-C12/ that sell the parts and then you put it together? Chiara On 10/1/07, Brangwyne wrote: > > I'm currently trying to figure out how to build my own...I have a full cup > size difference--left is a dd and right is a d. > > And normal bands just roll up on me, straps are too short...*sigh* so my > bras either ride up the back, fall off my shoulders or curl up in front > and > I fall out the bottom. And I started out a 36B -- until kids. > > Starr > >> > >> When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us > >> that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the > next number > >> and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this > because > >> the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if > a > >> bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast > lays > >> flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, > >> the bra is not the correct size. > >> > > If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of > 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to > a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me > rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I > do, however, have insurance now. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 12:17:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GHCVw013821 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:17:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91GH949009754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:17:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91GGZ9V001838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GGPXN065700; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GGEJV065324 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sonja@louisiana.edu) Received: from pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.229]) by marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-mx-host_1.9a) with ESMTP id l91GG55P025421 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:16:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from louisiana.edu (skr5996@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-client_1.7) with ESMTP id l91GG5v2023482 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:16:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sonja (LS-LAMP)" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:16:05 -0500 Message-Id: <20071001150940.M16718@louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <200710011453.l91ErbxM059022@net.indra.com> References: <200710011453.l91ErbxM059022@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060831 X-OriginatingIP: 130.70.141.184 (skr5996) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bra fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adf6662c-91ad-45b0-9d59-6bf402e474ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47011D85.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Don't give-up looking for that FIT.  It's out there or at least will be soon.   I would like to say that bra technology today has helped me.  I had a lumpectomy eight years ago which cost me nearly half of what I had and went from looking like an early Rubin's to a Picasso.  My right is a 36D when measured the standard way; can't guess what the left is ha ha.  The Victoria's Secret IPEX (and one Body style) fits wonderfully.  I have tried several styles, shapes, brands, and even most of VS.  Something about the IPEX comfy stretch and coverage.  I will say that I have chosen not to reconstruct and you can tell the lopsided difference if really looking.  However, for the most part it feels great, helps me look good, and even boosts my confidence.  The one draw back is price.  I got the VS card for the coupons and special offers thus making the price about or less what I would spend for almost any other brand.  Good luck to the rest of you.  ---------- Original Message ----------- > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:50:53 -0400 > From: "Brangwyne" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <003601c8043a$ca5bb080$6501a8c0@TheBeast> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >     reply-type=response > > I'm currently trying to figure out how to build my own...I have a full cup > size difference--left is a dd and right is a d. > > And normal bands just roll up on me, straps are too short...*sigh* so my > bras either ride up the back, fall off my shoulders or curl up in front and > I fall out the bottom. And I started out a 36B -- until kids. > > Starr > ***************************************** ------- End of Original Message ------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 12:32:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GWUZE014392 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:32:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91GWWwS031699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:32:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91GVcl2004727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:31:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GVHmS086792; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GVBSM086616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local ([132.198.126.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l91GV6RH026110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:31:10 -0400 Message-ID: <470120CB.3050704@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:31:07 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> <20071001121003.bfqqyhobrk8sw88o@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20071001121003.bfqqyhobrk8sw88o@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 693bfa1f-2f40-4d7f-886c-5e514819877d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47012121.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A couple years ago, after losing a substantial amount of weight, I decided I really needed to find a different size bra. While waiting on line for a dressing room at one store (OK, it was Victoria's Secret), an energetic young store employee came up and said "have you ever been professionally fitted." I said no, she whipped out a tape measure, did two measurements over my clothes, and told me what size to buy. I then proceeded to try on several bras they had in that size. None fit. So, I assume "professionally fitted" has several definitions! However, still carrying those body image issues from my younger days, or even more recent but heavier days, I never went anywhere else for a professional fitting that might get, shall we say, more personal. Maybe that's a mistake. But what I did do was read, read, read about how a good bra should fit. Then armed with that information I went to a store (L'Eggs, Bali, Hanes) and started experimenting with different sizes. Took over an hour but was well worth it, and the women in that store didn't mind me being there for that long. Oh, and I ended up with a bra size that was 2 sizes smaller in the band and one to two sizes larger in the cup. So, for those of you who would like to do the same, here are some resources: http://www.herroom.com/bra-fitting-checklist,907,30.html http://www.herroom.com/bra-bands-cups-underwires-panels-straps,902,30.html and links from that page http://www.ehow.com/how_167_find-fit-bra.html Oh, and when you want the ultimate fitting experience, head for Paris. That's what Daisy Garnett of the NYTimes did. Here's her article (may require freee subscription to read) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E6DE1631F934A2575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1 - Hope Susan Farmer wrote: >> >> It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done >> earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are >> equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 12:39:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91Gdu9v014578 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:39:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91Gdxn4006772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91Gd310005745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GcxmV097081; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91Gclqu096858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l91Gcdx7000299 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:38:46 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63973.72.13.239.193.1191257669.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com><47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info><4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:54:29 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume Penny's bra info" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Penny's bra info X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a3310e7-550c-4323-95dc-77adf05c5895 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470122DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Changing the subject line since there is more info than modern fitting — thank you for the interesting tid bits! >My daughter hated training bras but loved sports bras. What exactly is a "training bra" ? I remember shopping for the first bra, back around 1975. A-cups all had padding. They would explain that the "fiberfill" was to help fill out the cup. Well, why not just make cups the right size? I was lucky to be in the post-bra era. I remember once shopping for something to go under a Quiana dress. (Quiana is a clingy shiny synthetic knit.) Everything created spectacular wrinkles, so I went without a bra and it looked fine. I still have the dress. It was still a few years before the stretchy knits were used in bras. Some girls in late elementary/junior high wore half-undershirts. They were not as structured as a sports bra. I suppose camisoles would do the same thing, but the maybe the half-shirt felt a bit more grown-up and bra-like. >> There are ways of hiding not wearing a bra (the nipple issue.) Interestingly enough, I find most bras these days do not hide erect nipples. The knits are supportive, but when it's cold they show. I figured it was more socially acceptable now, the same way bra straps are visible. Back in the 70s, it was embarrasing to have a bra strap show! So are the band-aids a requirement in certain dressing applications, or is it a preference being from an era when women were supposed to hide them? I did read the blog of a woman who has nipple piercings, she uses the stick-ons when she is wearing something clingy and does not want the whole world to see she is pierced. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 12:58:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91GwoZM015129 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:58:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91GwqbG010348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91Gw951009947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91Gw7rV024221; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91Gw41h024081 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAAC1045A6 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:57:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4701274B.3000709@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:58:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> <20071001121003.bfqqyhobrk8sw88o@www.goldsword.com> <470120CB.3050704@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <470120CB.3050704@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e71e3a0c-051e-4744-aeed-786faf1f6497 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4701274D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hope Greenberg wrote: > I said no, she whipped out a tape measure, did > two measurements over my clothes, and told me what size to buy. I then > proceeded to try on several bras they had in that size. None fit. > > So, I assume "professionally fitted" has several definitions! Yeah, mine was considerably different. In a dressing room with a 3-way mirror. The woman doing the fitting asked what size I wore, and what problems I had. Then she looked me over (topless) and brought in several to try. We talked about what fit and how it felt. They all fit better than my old bra, but we kept trying models until we got one more or less perfect. I was there over an hour. It reminded me of those old movies where ladies go shopping and shopgirls bring in a steady stream of dresses for madame to approve. The only other time I put that much effort into a fitting was when having a victorian corset pattern made. You know how much difference an eighth of an inch can make sometimes.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 13:04:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91H3vd0015337 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:03:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91H4034029907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:04:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91H3bmj010968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91H3Znt031059; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian2.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91H3VDa030881 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:03:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1550.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.17]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB3F3198DF for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:03:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47012908.7010304@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:06:16 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> <20071001121003.bfqqyhobrk8sw88o@www.goldsword.com> <470120CB.3050704@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <470120CB.3050704@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff33976c-8d5e-45c5-bde6-6292c15c3649 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47012880.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I don't have that much trouble finding a fitting bra but Sometimes I just can't find anything that I like. Until I learned to make them myself. It is not that hard. It may take a few tries to get the perfect pattern or to take one apart that fits well to make a pattern... But I love making them! There is just one little problem... You can by packages that have everything you need in them. And in my case quite often even more. So than I think, if I buy some extra fabric I will have enough lace for two sets but than of course I will have some fabric left over... which means I need lace that will go with the fabric, and some strap material that I can buy in meters so I will have strap material for two..... Ok you probably realize by know what a dangerous hobby this can be :) Deredere Hope Greenberg wrote: > A couple years ago, after losing a substantial amount of weight, I > decided I really needed to find a different size bra. While waiting on > line for a dressing room at one store (OK, it was Victoria's Secret), > an energetic young store employee came up and said "have you ever been > professionally fitted." I said no, she whipped out a tape measure, did > two measurements over my clothes, and told me what size to buy. I then > proceeded to try on several bras they had in that size. None fit. > > So, I assume "professionally fitted" has several definitions! However, > still carrying those body image issues from my younger days, or even > more recent but heavier days, I never went anywhere else for a > professional fitting that might get, shall we say, more personal. > Maybe that's a mistake. But what I did do was read, read, read about > how a good bra should fit. Then armed with that information I went to > a store (L'Eggs, Bali, Hanes) and started experimenting with different > sizes. Took over an hour but was well worth it, and the women in that > store didn't mind me being there for that long. Oh, and I ended up > with a bra size that was 2 sizes smaller in the band and one to two > sizes larger in the cup. > > So, for those of you who would like to do the same, here are some > resources: > http://www.herroom.com/bra-fitting-checklist,907,30.html > http://www.herroom.com/bra-bands-cups-underwires-panels-straps,902,30.html > and links from that page > http://www.ehow.com/how_167_find-fit-bra.html > > Oh, and when you want the ultimate fitting experience, head for Paris. > That's what Daisy Garnett of the NYTimes did. Here's her article (may > require freee subscription to read) > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E6DE1631F934A2575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1 > > > - Hope > > > Susan Farmer wrote: >>> >>> It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done >>> earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are >>> equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 13:13:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HDWjB015612 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:13:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91HDZPH019159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:13:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91HDB3S012715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HD78o043550; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HD1EX043425 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from missdoornink@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so3702758fkq for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:12:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=SjJPBCeaOxPyYAl1wDJ5LFbCaWzlErijNo9Bw04gUTU=; b=Qgg4RQMwPhk/CfYi296FvuKAvcQmy/X3ORsNo0SGmIc6XGf2ySbnPT0xG5tHdMz3VPsoTmHcATf0XZe0gTi1EJ5knj9wECthuNqa0xJJ2TFt1rofQR/zPXpXJryNe8WOeme8FwcaEF4AldpF5G/646HP00btwt1VnJOcWlVF4eg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hRSLtYz2kt8+wyDJb/S0TnSRULeU2DJN+LSXi213ai+WmWOP7kmXTDcpHSMJNE8H2aVLYxHfPkJ+WVe0wL1Rt7pxDcPm0i8bXDrKcbcW+urCbCta2Kg3S7nOFAlLchhBDkvas9xrvyGOhTbDZpvKuiJ65xyqzFOpSTIeF4y9taE= Received: by 10.82.138.6 with SMTP id l6mr7137876bud.1191258776922; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.120.18 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9baf39d30710011012p659a788bw686cf1e09db27a7f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:12:56 -0700 From: "Elisabeth Doornink" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) In-Reply-To: <475bc2c50710010908i222fc3a0w8884fd07f92293f1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> <475bc2c50710010908i222fc3a0w8884fd07f92293f1@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fbddbc6-c839-48eb-8944-1fd7f4943c24 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47012ABF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm 17, and wear a 32B. Gosh darn it, too, I'm still growing up in that quadrant, too. It was about impossible to find a normal, soft cup non underwire not pushup bra in a non psycodelic color at our JC Pennies - and I had even looked some styles up online at the website and they didn't carry it in the store. . Your daughter is definitely not alone - my sister is 12, thin as a beanstock and straight as a board, just like I was at that age. The other thing I have a problem with is being overly perky. I fit into the top of the cup just fine, but the bottom has way to much excess fabric that folds up into a crease because there is nothing there to fill it out. I'll be working on it.... On 10/1/07, Chiara Francesca wrote: > > WOOT!! Thanks everyone!! I found the perfect bra for my daughter. :) > > > http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?GrpTyp=PRD&ItemID=125cf98&RefPage=Products&StoreRegNo=&catalog_base=&firstpage=&CmCatId=SearchResults|SearchDepartment|SearchProducts|42249&cmOrigID=125CFA2&cmPosID=2 > > I know, long link, but it is a maidenform sold at my local JCPenney. Going > to run there today and get them for her. Front closure with no underwire! > She will be happpy now to go to the showers with this pretty thing. :) > > She currently wears the cami's with the extra shelf in it but she wants to > 'look like the other girls'. Sigh. Baby steps .... > > Chiara > > On 10/1/07, Dawn wrote: > > > > Rickard, Patty wrote: > > > WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I > thought > > > that was a lot!) > > > > > > > I think that's about average for a higher quality bra these days. > > > > As we age our bodies change, for a variety of reasons. When you're 40, > > you don't wear a bra for the same reason you did when you were 15. A lot > > of us are probably still trying to buy the same size and style we wore > > in high school. I think a lot of people need to re-asses their bra. > > Every time I hear someone say the straps cut in or the wire hurts,or it > > shifts around, or some other uncomfortable thing, I know they're not > > wearing the right size and shape of bra. > > > > It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done > > earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are > > equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right > > for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now > > I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer > > buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. > > > > As historic costumers we make a big fuss about the comfort of corsets, > > making sure we get one properly fitted to us so it will be comfortable. > > We make sure we have the right shape for our figure and our clothing. We > > choose high quality materials and we carefully handwash the garment when > > it is soiled. But many of us do not take the same care with our modern > > underpinnings. And why not? It makes all the difference when it comes > > to our personal comfort. > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 13:27:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HRv2L015916 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:27:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91HRxuJ006947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91HRWEJ014736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:27:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HRSb5063453; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:27:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HR9ju062995 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:27:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from WS2 (c-68-80-223-99.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.80.223.99]) (Authenticated sender: candace@schwenkfelder.com) by smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5D21C8060 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:00:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv><47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net><475bc2c50710010908i222fc3a0w8884fd07f92293f1@mail.gmail.com> <9baf39d30710011012p659a788bw686cf1e09db27a7f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c80450$a93ef770$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9baf39d30710011012p659a788bw686cf1e09db27a7f@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcgETnLMvH/M8Z1kRGC2ROjcKNPcyQAAWpig X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d35123cc-b288-4f76-b2bc-e5cd79fedbef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47012E1F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO (I'm a quasi lurker) This is an interesting discussion because I was in a Target not long ago and overheard two young women -- early 20s -- having a conversation about a friend of theirs who wore, like, grandma underwear, and how the one friend had turned her on to the sexy and fluorescent push-upped and be-thonged. I thought, poor girl who can't just wear her plain old undies and went back to skulking in the grandma underwear. My complaint is molded cup bras -- I am a plus size personage (I daresay, probably the result of that high fat meat and refined foods...I cannot eat lard as my ancestors did) and I do not need said cups. I don't get it. Candace Perry -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elisabeth Doornink Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) I'm 17, and wear a 32B. Gosh darn it, too, I'm still growing up in that quadrant, too. It was about impossible to find a normal, soft cup non underwire not pushup bra in a non psycodelic color at our JC Pennies - and I had even looked some styles up online at the website and they didn't carry it in the store. . Your daughter is definitely not alone - my sister is 12, thin as a beanstock and straight as a board, just like I was at that age. The other thing I have a problem with is being overly perky. I fit into the top of the cup just fine, but the bottom has way to much excess fabric that folds up into a crease because there is nothing there to fill it out. I'll be working on it.... On 10/1/07, Chiara Francesca wrote: > > WOOT!! Thanks everyone!! I found the perfect bra for my daughter. :) > > > http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?GrpTyp=PRD&ItemID=125cf98&RefPage =Products&StoreRegNo=&catalog_base=&firstpage=&CmCatId=SearchResults|SearchD epartment|SearchProducts|42249&cmOrigID=125CFA2&cmPosID=2 > > I know, long link, but it is a maidenform sold at my local JCPenney. Going > to run there today and get them for her. Front closure with no underwire! > She will be happpy now to go to the showers with this pretty thing. :) > > She currently wears the cami's with the extra shelf in it but she wants to > 'look like the other girls'. Sigh. Baby steps .... > > Chiara > > On 10/1/07, Dawn wrote: > > > > Rickard, Patty wrote: > > > WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I > thought > > > that was a lot!) > > > > > > > I think that's about average for a higher quality bra these days. > > > > As we age our bodies change, for a variety of reasons. When you're 40, > > you don't wear a bra for the same reason you did when you were 15. A lot > > of us are probably still trying to buy the same size and style we wore > > in high school. I think a lot of people need to re-asses their bra. > > Every time I hear someone say the straps cut in or the wire hurts,or it > > shifts around, or some other uncomfortable thing, I know they're not > > wearing the right size and shape of bra. > > > > It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done > > earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are > > equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right > > for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now > > I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer > > buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. > > > > As historic costumers we make a big fuss about the comfort of corsets, > > making sure we get one properly fitted to us so it will be comfortable. > > We make sure we have the right shape for our figure and our clothing. We > > choose high quality materials and we carefully handwash the garment when > > it is soiled. But many of us do not take the same care with our modern > > underpinnings. And why not? It makes all the difference when it comes > > to our personal comfort. > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 13:41:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HfTSX016268 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:41:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91HfPbr019227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:41:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91HdYAk017086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HdO8a079364; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HdI1c079036 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 612124477-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.37.109 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAFbNAEdPSCVt/2dsb2JhbACBWQ Received: from 79-72-37-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.37.109]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 01 Oct 2007 18:39:12 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071001182851.033a94e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:38:58 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <47012908.7010304@kabelfoon.nl> References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B68B7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47011A84.2050003@reddawn.net> <20071001121003.bfqqyhobrk8sw88o@www.goldsword.com> <470120CB.3050704@uvm.edu> <47012908.7010304@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bra fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53c304f3-b6a0-4fee-863c-bd486685e629 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47013145.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > >Hope Greenberg wrote: >>A couple years ago, after losing a substantial amount of weight, I >>decided I really needed to find a different size bra. While waiting >>on line for a dressing room at one store (OK, it was Victoria's >>Secret), an energetic young store employee came up and said "have >>you ever been professionally fitted." I said no, she whipped out a >>tape measure, did two measurements over my clothes, and told me >>what size to buy. I then proceeded to try on several bras they had >>in that size. None fit. >> >>So, I assume "professionally fitted" has several definitions! >>However, still carrying those body image issues from my younger >>days, or even more recent but heavier days, I never went anywhere >>else for a professional fitting that might get, shall we say, more >>personal. Maybe that's a mistake. But what I did do was read, read, >>read about how a good bra should fit. Then armed with that >>information I went to a store (L'Eggs, Bali, Hanes) and started >>experimenting with different sizes. Took over an hour but was well >>worth it, and the women in that store didn't mind me being there >>for that long. Oh, and I ended up with a bra size that was 2 sizes >>smaller in the band and one to two sizes larger in the cup. >> >>So, for those of you who would like to do the same, here are some resources: >>http://www.herroom.com/bra-fitting-checklist,907,30.html >>http://www.herroom.com/bra-bands-cups-underwires-panels-straps,902,30.html >>and links from that page >>http://www.ehow.com/how_167_find-fit-bra.html >> >>Oh, and when you want the ultimate fitting experience, head for >>Paris. That's what Daisy Garnett of the NYTimes did. Here's her >>article (may require freee subscription to read) >>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E6DE1631F934A2575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1 >> >> >>- Hope >> >> >>Susan Farmer wrote: >>>> >>>>It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done >>>>earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are >>>>equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt In the 70's I was a house model for Berlei foundation garments. They had a whole bunch of would-be fitters in a room with a few models, and were told to measure us and then to find suitable foundation garments from the range that Berlei did then. It was a fascinating experience - I was a 34 DD, with a fat waist, (29)and 36 inch hips. Only one person got me right first time, and some of them never found anything that was quite right. I was in underwires, one piece corset/pantie things - the name is no longer in my head, and girdles. Since then I have always fitted myself, and have a range of bras from different makers, none of which is the same as the others! (But all fit and are comfortable!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 14:22:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91IMS0H017743 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:22:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91IMPlC028325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:22:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91ILodh023742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91ILlL5038198; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91ILiWH037998 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cb8.1ca6c212 (30738) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:21:33 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Bra fitting To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e7117d4-60d1-48b0-bcb9-d1bc0998097b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47013AE1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO for anybody in the Uk, esp the north, Sadie the bra lady is fabulous (comes up if you google her). and if you're larger of cup size, so are bravissimo. I fit myself too (and in reality I'm different sizes in different makes and styles), but occasionally go to bravissimo in leeds cos it's just such a nice place to shop. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 14:49:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91InYQO018844 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:49:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91InbPq001825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:49:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91ErdTg086020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91ErZcQ058988; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91ErYE8058877 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so3524316wxc for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:53:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=SdpkqXpQvtOB63moNN1Ky08CIiU1U64nx7/sDy9ix04=; b=JarJvk83fEolsksYXC1F04DBNXK67QcY3XPAAi1nBgjCPLLayTqXWxAJAivWI4Vt0Czli/ui3W6Zp9ZjYoUX5YgOHcic6JSiA/qlUOYoTPhYhb1Hd+gCjqTuqY7okOHXecX5ThmpH0GMnrl0J5UvMX/d43IQgvW9NUknKskeP9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=XFhWurUAUJzpEOjS2vNi4IQXWq5z6XK3IrDXUD8IxrSqsrS8zqfkZSKGFOoNNygVZWQCFSVS3Mg6x8IcOdmsgT0QYjj8bmryO2UryvJrp1D8D1WtKt1F9szQjNfJoMz89DkN4eRILUm+xSofvgm0+lIUm8+w6jFPSd4lslH6GeY= Received: by 10.90.115.9 with SMTP id n9mr6050184agc.1191250388554; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheBeast ( [151.203.181.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm12538325agb.2007.10.01.07.53.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003601c8043a$ca5bb080$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com><47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info><4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com><000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop><000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <20071001104344.08ih42k3ggswco8w@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:50:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ddd56532-8f42-42bb-9ca5-3f96473ef436 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47014141.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm currently trying to figure out how to build my own...I have a full cup size difference--left is a dd and right is a d. And normal bands just roll up on me, straps are too short...*sigh* so my bras either ride up the back, fall off my shoulders or curl up in front and I fall out the bottom. And I started out a 36B -- until kids. Starr >> >> When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us >> that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number >> and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because >> the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a >> bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays >> flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, >> the bra is not the correct size. >> If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I do, however, have insurance now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 16:18:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91KICSH021239 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:18:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91KIEDL016629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:18:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91KGw57046669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:16:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91KGU6v094322; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l91KGQUr094126 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35993 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2007 20:16:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gm9Qd6eJw5X/nR4KpRj/x02p0o8GTReWt+iOLdbobnmkjEDJOuubf0CJ90VjT0P8KxOukjxQYTU5ueW6ZerDUVZjT3pnBSaR9CxMtNClSKfxzgwR8vl+X3EaMZOgjZSJk4WWFa75YIDYEAQolV9Z/KEi5HZVhpH13TBbk0ibyhA=; X-YMail-OSG: COzdENUVM1n0IuqpEj1p6aW9kAvOzJwRP47pDosH Received: from [70.103.216.134] by web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:16:21 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:16:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <325236.35466.qm@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Foxfire books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77bb07e2-9686-42aa-a235-d9c16be0bb02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47015606.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Watch previews, get listings, and more! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 16:19:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91KJuSH021378 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:19:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91KJq71024951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:20:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91KJHbV046952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91KJFR9097763; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:19:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexander.concentric.com (alexander.concentric.com [207.155.248.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91KJ9RH097645 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by alexander.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id EFA935402; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.248.157) with Concentric Web Mail; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200710011801.l91I0mNa009371@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20071001201908.EFA935402@alexander.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for a pirate coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e916e844-80b3-4d65-bf90-a26261e7acd0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47015668.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on tailoring, padst= itching, etc. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 16:27:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91KRHnj021621 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:27:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91KRHgh024877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:27:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91HPfth014551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HPafW061411; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HPWMV061196 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W2 ([65.55.133.37]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:25:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.178.234] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Custom bras Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:25:23 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071001104344.08ih42k3ggswco8w@www.goldsword.com> References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com><47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info><4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <20071001104344.08ih42k3ggswco8w@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2007 17:25:28.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F62D810:01C80450] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97098f1e-89d3-451a-b9c0-3509dacd5597 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47015825.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Susan, =20 I joined a yahoo group called Custom-Bras (for some reason I can't get the= link to paste). It was an offshoot of a sewing group concerned with good = fit and the owner of the new group, Don McGunn, always had really on target= suggestions for fit, so... =20 I haven't actually tried to make any yet, but from the postings I've read i= t doesn't take a lot of time and almost no yardage. He has an e-book on th= e subject, but the site is full of files and videos which I suspect anyone = who has done costuming could derive the info they need just from those. HTH, Laurie =20 > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:43:44 -0400> From: sfarmer@goldsword.com> To: h-= costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)> CC: >= > Quoting Penny Ladnier :> > > >>> >> When we re= cently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told > >> us that if you= can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next > >> number and down = a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did > >> this because the selec= tion in styles were limited at her true size. > >> Another test if a bra is= fitting correctly is if the chest strap > >> between the breast lays flat = against the chest. If the strap is > >> away from the center chest, the bra= is not the correct size.> >>> > If only! I have no back -- it's all boobag= e. I really want a band of > 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I = really *can't* go up to > a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is= ridiculous! Let me > rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford t= hem. *sigh* I > do, however, have insurance now.> > susan> -----> Susan Far= mer> sfarmer@goldsword.com> Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College> Division = of Science and Math> http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/> > > ______= _________________________________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costum= e@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger=A0 http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=3Den-us&sourc= e=3Dwlmailtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 16:48:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91KmsnE021922 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:48:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91Kmoap029136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:48:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91Klo1v051574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91KlkZ7036985; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91Klfog036755 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33451046E4 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:47:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47015D1D.1000605@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:48:29 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for a pirate coat References: <20071001201908.EFA935402@alexander.concentric.com> In-Reply-To: <20071001201908.EFA935402@alexander.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6df4a5cd-baa3-4bad-8cc7-ff698c5be42d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47015D32.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Julie wrote: > My husband is looking for a not very fancy great coat for pirate events. He wants to be more merchant than showy pirate. > > Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on tailoring, padstitching, etc. > Simplicity 4923 is a decent, cheap pattern. It's not difficult to put together, though it could benefit from being lined. It runs a little bit large and loose, but can be modified easily if your guy is slender. You can trim it as fancy as you like, or make it in plain wool with self-fabric buttons. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 17:03:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91L3UcO022323 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:03:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91L3WWD023405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:03:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91HeKk6017187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91HeGuF080459; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91Hdx8Z079966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41837) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IcPFE-0003v8-SX; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:39:50 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:39:48 -0400 Message-ID: <20071001133948.zj1kvvb6wwosgcws@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:39:48 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Custom bras References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com><47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info><4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <000b01c803fc$daaf42a0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <20071001104344.08ih42k3ggswco8w@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 371f57df-b2b0-4d73-88fc-9729ebb74fce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470160A4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting zelda crusher : > > Susan, > > I joined a yahoo group called Custom-Bras (for some reason I can't > get the link to paste). It was an offshoot of a sewing group > concerned with good fit and the owner of the new group, Don McGunn, > always had really on target suggestions for fit, so... > > I haven't actually tried to make any yet, but from the postings I've > read it doesn't take a lot of time and almost no yardage. He has > an e-book on the subject, but the site is full of files and videos > which I suspect anyone who has done costuming could derive the info > they need just from those. Oooh! Thanks. That sounds like it certainly has possibilities! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 17:16:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91LGbTh022512 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:16:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91LGdDN029457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:16:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91LEwpk055634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91LEsZJ073099; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91LEpEv073040 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:14:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.140.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.140]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IcSbJ-0001W1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:14:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <47015D1D.1000605@reddawn.net> References: <20071001201908.EFA935402@alexander.concentric.com> <47015D1D.1000605@reddawn.net> Message-Id: From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for a pirate coat Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:16:55 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc03e774-253a-42e8-a6f7-548b7c2ec4aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470163B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Believe it or not, I used this http://www.butterick.com/item/B6844.htm?tab=costumes&page=10 for men's coats in a production of The Country Wife. With the addition of pockets, pocket flaps, and larger cuffs, and of course some shortening, it was gorgeous on a wide variety of physical types. The fit was wonderful, and the skirt really strutted. AND the construction was fairly simple. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > Julie wrote: >> My husband is looking for a not very fancy great coat for pirate >> events. He wants to be more merchant than showy pirate. >> Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on >> tailoring, padstitching, etc. > > Simplicity 4923 is a decent, cheap pattern. It's not difficult to > put together, though it could benefit from being lined. It runs a > little bit large and loose, but can be modified easily if your guy > is slender. You can trim it as fancy as you like, or make it in > plain wool with self-fabric buttons. > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 18:45:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91Mjggq024457 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:45:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91MjiMT013517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:45:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91MiVB1066998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91MiSmm076139; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91MiOux075994 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ced.1b5d8c40 (29678) for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:44:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:44:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for a pirate coat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b0561b2-ada0-4b3f-9959-025848c7c870 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47017898.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/1/2007 4:20:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jtknits@jtknits.cts.com writes: My husband is looking for a not very fancy great coat for pirate events. He wants to be more merchant than showy pirate. Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on tailoring, padstitching, etc. **************** Well, it depends on WHEN he wants to be a pirate. There isn't a "pirate" period, y'know....though most famous ones tend to be the early 1700's or there abouts. The Capt. Hook look. So a "pirate coat" is just a coat anyone might wear in the period you choose. I've made 2 for different people who wanted a "typical" pirate. I used a pattern from "The Cut of Men's Clothes" by Norah Waugh.... diagram XVII, pages 62 and 63. I followed the pattern exactly for the 1st coat, but the back is a bit narrow across the shoulders for a comfy modern fit so the 2nd one got a wider back. I cut them with no padding or any inner structure like you might find in a modern coat. None of that kind of tailoring is required. They look like a "piece of cloth"...which is appropriate. I also distressed them with some dye and paint and bleach so they looked like they had spent a lot of time at sea. One I made in heavy linen, the other in burlap. Both were lined with cotton. The biggest expense were the many buttons. One used metal buttons [looks more military-like] The other bone. I also made non-matching breeches from the diagram in "The Cut of Men's Clothes" that comes before: Diagram XVI on page 61. You could also use the coat pattern from this diagram...but I think without the fancy pocket and cuff. These coats are not difficult to get together. And they look great! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 19:24:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91NO8Xj025290 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:24:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l91NO5dc020494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l91NNRLK071248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91NNQNp018294; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l91NNOtj018262 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so8608825pyi for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:23:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=WZmEZ1cA6rVtZsRkXvKm3nKwuy2f6Euc7qNFbhy03TM=; b=r8Bkanhk+3O5sQDAF1+GBo2MytFDykbV6/F8jHTM9UGdeWi8ly6Iw6zO/szCW4i4sw3lx0s8gbzX+ZXI8eLyl6WbO0xY3P5nAkjM9m1bqoP/wrHjpU+j0MrEjTCXh/SYKzliJvonMD8XxZYTT5JDNONFjA8R1BiCuUksgaHMCKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=WfZeh8DdOkNMSVxt/C7TWbiS23kFvDOFfOXhtWyHAn9dsrQUjsGuf2qbmVjs1Ab2Pq+vIHpLct1ih8PBkS/gkb/xIaTnqOJzttfgqqoGPPR0VHuQWgoaaNOQi7+R4wukC127TF64+P85G1Qja64ASUBIdgUboFSddMRSnBpZo3Y= Received: by 10.35.62.19 with SMTP id p19mr8619997pyk.1191281003583; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p57sm7076804pyb.2007.10.01.16.23.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <016101c80482$38facfc0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200710011356.l91DuZ8j009148@sca.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:24:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19107de8-ea0d-4810-bc66-c2bde8a21839 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47018195.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: ... > The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases > like > MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other "western" diseases aka the > diseases > of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat > and > we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a > chemical > hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing > is > that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of > dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside..... ... Just to be contrary, I have to contrast my personal experience to these findings. I was raised on a ridiculously healthy diet by a health-food obsessed mother, and all the up-to-date findings keep confirming the excellence of the diet I was on: lots of raw foods, everything made from scratch, no refined flour, honey rather than sugar used as sweetening, glorious home-made whole wheat bread, and a diet overall well-balanced between healthy low-fat protein and healthy non-processed carbs, etcetcetc. The only unhealthy factor was that, since I spent several years in the carribean, my diet during those years was saltier than it should have been (Colombians seem to think that all food should be dripping with salt). Well, that and the fact that I love citrusy, acidic foods, which had a poor effect on my teeth until I caught on to what was happening. TMI: I was a skinny child, but needed my first bra in 3rd grade. I began menstruating at 10, and have always had a very heavy period, lasting on average 8 days. Though I don't have PMS in the emotional sense, I have all sorts of very annoying physical reactions for a couple of weeks, especially hereditary IBS. Since I left home at 15 (early college) my typical diet has been a bit of protein such as deli meat cuts, roast skinless chicken, lean red meat, or cheese, paired with lots and lots of fruit. If you ever meet me in person, odds are that I'll be chomping on an apple. (In fact, now that I think about it, if I ever design my own heraldry, an apple should probably figure in it, as it is my most recognizeable symbol.) My low-fat diet as a child, and a natural dislike of fat (even as a tiny child I demanded that the teeniest bits of fat be cut off my meat) have made for a very low-fat diet my entire life. I occasionally indulge cravings for starch, and I love potatoes though I rarely eat them anymore, especially after calculating the calories in my favorite potato-cheese soup (about 1000 per bowl; I gained a good 40 lbs the year I ate it regularly). Not the absolute healthiest diet, but certainly a lot different from the SAD. I mess with my diet every so often in an attempt to make it even healthier and less calorific (I love rich, heavy sauces like alfredo), but I always seem to go back to easy protein plus lots of fruit, with the occasional side of rice, potatoes, or pasta. And, I have MS. There are several potential factors behind it, such as genetics (my mother has it, too) and geography as well as how I handle stress, and perhaps even exposure to radon, but a western diet surely ain't a factor for me. My diet and eating habits are more like a combination between primitive man's diet and the mediterranean diet. It's possible that my diet is the reason that I'm currently doing surprisingly well with the MS, but if diet is at fault, how did I get MS in the first place? Of course, my body may just be as contrary as my personality: I was born missing a carotid artery, and despite being completely unable to locate it, my doctors assure me that I must have a spleen in here somewhere, or I'd probably be dead. But still, I can't help but be leery when I see problems that I know in my case are unrelated to diet, being blamed on diet! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 1 23:25:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l923PHfP031527 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:25:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l923PJjI021959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l923OEoC095599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:24:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l923OAYE042860; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:24:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l923O6SQ042810 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9A396E00EC; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 03:23:15 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com><47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info><4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:24:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c804a3$b8856770$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgD+rct5w0yNJhrRDawyoslp2Nn0wAqH2Hg In-Reply-To: <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-IMAIL-SPAM-STATISTICS: (b9a3096e00ecfcb3, 1.0000) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0aa79ab9-d1b4-43d4-a25a-617c226a8346 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4701BA1F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I called my 22 yr old daughter (32A) and she said she gets bras either at Victoria's Secret or The Gap (yes, they sell underwear). Hope this helps. Also, when in high school, I too, being a charter member of the Itty-Bitty-Titty Club, didn't wear bras. However, I noticed even I got some pain, kind of like muscle soreness, so started wearing a very little bit of a bra. It helped. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:13 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Franchesca, Give your daughter a hug from me. All my friends in 8th grade were wearing bras and I didn't have a thing to put in one until I was in 11th grade. I learned later in life that being small chested was a blessing. My DIL also feels the same way. My youngest sister was well developed before any of my other sisters. Baby Sis is six years younger than me. My mother used to say, "Wait until you have a baby and they will come." When that did work after my first child, she said, "Wait until you are middle-aged, and they will come." After son #2 was born, I refused to breast fed, then they "came in" engorged. The pain was unbelievable! I decided that I would be happy with what I have. MY DIL used to wear a size 0 dress, and after her second child, she became engorged. She said that she never wanted bigger breast again. When I was pregnant with son #4, I was living with my MIL. He was an active child and loved to run his feet into my ribs. This caused my bra to move upward and I complained to my MIL. She was WELL-endowed and said, "Honey, if I had as little as you, I would NEVER wear a bra." I got it! Official permission from my MIL to not wear a bra!!! This was 1985 so the no bra fashion of the 1970s made it acceptable. I have probably worn a bra 50 times, at most, since then. My breast have not sagged and are still like they were in my 20s. I gave my MIL official permission to my DIL to not wear a bra and she doesn't wear one now. What my MIL said not upset me. She immediately showed me the reason. She pulled up her blouse and showed me the heat rash under her breast, and the deep cut sores on her shoulders from her bra straps. She said that she has had them for years and they were very painful. My mother is large chested and showed me the same problems that bras have done to her. Last year, my mother told me that her petite chested mother never wore a bra and looked great her whole life. This was the greatest gift my MIL ever gave me. I have never found a bra that fits me correctly. If you are an A cup, you really do not need to wear a bra. But I understand the teenagers wanting to be in bras when everyone else is wearing them. If you really want to put your daughter in something, try a sports bra. My daughter hated training bras but loved sports bras. Today a lot of the teenagers to young adults are not real! They are enhanced and this is socially acceptable. We live in the fake generation. Fake hair, tans, boobs, hair-color, bleached teeth, etc. There are ways of hiding not wearing a bra (the nipple issue.) ***I started growing my hair long after son #4 was born. My hair has been below breast length since 1986. I never had it trimmed shorter since. Also son #4 when a baby would go to sleep holding my braid. Until he was five years old and he was upset he would sit in my lap and pet my long braid. ***I wear t-shirts around the house. When I first started not wearing a bra, I made sure the t-shirt had a pocket or printed logo on the front. The opposing side of the pocket, is where my braid or ponytail resides. If my shirt/blouse does not have a pocket or logo, I let my hair down. ***A Maidenform saleslady taught me this one. Don't purchase those fancy flesh colored stickers to go over the nipples. Only purchase the fancy ones for hot dates! Go to the drug store or supermarket and purchase large Band-Aids. They generally come 10 to a box for a dollar or two. I use the store brands made of plastic. The cloth ones have too much adhesive and can cause bruising or irritation when removing. Also remove the Band-Aids while taking a bath. Put a little baby oil on the breast after removal. The removes all the band glue and moisturizes the skin. For a person with small nipples, you can cut the Band-Aids in half lengthwise and use the remainder on the other breast. Someone with larger nipples, use the entire band on each breast. I have professionally dressed many of ladies and teenagers over the years. Here are some of the tricks of the trade for enlargement: ***I once had a student crying in the bathroom because her chest did not fill out a dress that she had to wear immediately. I am a pro at "making boobs." I pulled some tissue paper and increased boob size the old-fashioned way. Needless to say, she stopped crying. ***This is my newest solution! Most of the cammies with an open space to slip pads in. There are also cups like a bra without straps or a back that will slide into cammies easily. But they do have a piece or elastic joining the cups. I have also sewn cups into some evening dresses. ***Another solution that I use, is to purchase these empire waisted tops with the cups built in without underwires. I wear them under close fitting tops. These tops come in various colors and have spaghetti straps. I have found at Macy's and JC Penneys. I purchased every color available. The down side to these tops, I have found very few with cups stitched into bust. When you wash them, the pad will fold over like a shoulder pad. You either have to stitch the pads in place from the back lining or pin them in place prior to washing. ***My kits has several breast pads in various cup sizes. I purchase them at Hancock Fabrics. If I am working a play, before dress rehearsal, I buy pad that they have in stock. The key to cleavage, is to put the pads under the breast and slightly toward the armpit in a bra cup. Make sure the wearer pulls "the girls up" before putting the pads in. This pushes the breast up better than an underwire and they look more natural. My first play, I purchased the pads for two actresses. After the other actresses saw how nice the two actresses looked, they came in begging me (in their words) to "make boobs" for them. After that play, I have been know locally as the person who can make boobs. ***You can also purchase the "Natural." I have only used these once. They adhere to the breast and feel like real breast but do not breathe. So you can fell hot quickly. ***In magazines, film, etc. They are using spray-on cleavage. They are actually spraying a line down the center of the chest in a darker shade than the person's skin color to create a shadow. This process is also used to create abs on stomachs for those diet advertisements and music videos. My daughter has the opposite problem of yours. She started blooming at 10 y.o. Her doctor told me that when girls chests start blooming, that their period will start generally one year later. And it did. I asked why girls are starting their period so early. He said because of livestock being given steroids and antibiotics. He also stated that many GYN doctors are prescribing hormones to girls in puberty to control mood swings. Hormones are being prescribed as young as 11-12 y.o girls. A good majority of my daughter's friend have been on hormones in puberty. When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. When my daughter first needed a bra, we had a hard time finding bras. I was pulling my hair out. I can say, do not go to The Gap for trainer bras. Also Victoria's Secret measured her incorrectly. Training bras should not be expensive. They want way too much for them. Sears does have a nice selection. I found a bigger selection a KMart. This was before Sears bought KMart but you might want to check there. When you find a brand of bras that she does like and they fit well, stick with it! I hate underwires for the same reasons as others..the poking problem. I take a seam ripper and make a small cut to remove them. One TV series that shows how a bra should probably fit is "Tim Gunn's Guide to Style" (TGGTS.) It is on Bravo! Thursday nights. They are only six episodes and I believe this Thursday is episode 5, then Project Runway begins. The first two episodes really shows how to know if a bra fits properly. If you don't catch it repeating during the day, let me know. I have been videotaping the show and can loan you my copies. I agree with the show that everyone needs a good foundation. Some parts of the show I don't agree with. But the foundation is very important. Today a women shouldn't have to suffer with an ill-fitting bra. When the woman on the show has a proper fitting bras, the co-host or Tim calls it "happy bra face." I have to laugh because I saw my daughter with the happy bra face last month on our shopping trip. Lastly, one of the principal problems with cup sizes is that everyone's bust is not shaped the same way. Some are completely rounded, some have more tissue underneath and to the sides, etc. That is why if you find a bra manufacturer that you like, stick with them. Most manufacturers do not change their cup sizing molds for years. Good luck Franchesca! Remember to have a lot of patience. As frustrated as you are, your daughter is probably twice as much. I really feel for single fathers when they take their puberty-age daughters bra shopping! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes > [major soap boxing approaching ...] > > This is exactly what I was telling the Jockey Rep online this past week. > > My 12 year old daughter is ready for a training bra. She is 5'2 and a 32a, > she is sooooo different from her current counterparts in JR HIGH!!! > AAA!!!! > They are bearly 5ft tall with busts of 32c's and up wearing underwire > bras! > > I so feel for my daughter, to be different in Jr. High is a death sentence > to many girls. It breaks my heart. > > In the conversation with the Jockey rep she let me know that the local > stores to me in the entire DFW area are NOT ordering the Jockey trainer > bra. > That there is a trend to order bras for teens with underwire because of 1) > Obese girls at this age and 2) They are not selling anything that is not > wired. > > If I want a bra with no underwire or stiffen support ala Victoria's Secret > new wireless line I have to order it online. Either that or I can keep her > in sports bras. I fear that if I do that she will lose her shape and droop > long before she is 15. > > I am just not ready to have my non-obese daughter to be forced into a bra > that is being designed for a larger ribcage and bust line and added wire > support for it. > > [major soap boxing off] > > Chiara Francesca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Mary + Doug Piero Carey > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:34 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes > > That's interesting...I had been Thinking, this last year or so, that it > seemed to me that teen girls seemed to be bustier than I remembered from > the 70s. I had been shrugging it off to the general chubbiness of the > population, but this summer & fall I was really trying to notice, and it > really did seem that more of the slender girls were bigger than I would > expect. Then last weekend I went to my first high school football game > in 20 years. I didn't need to pay attention to the game, since the > nephew was on the sidelines recuperating from an injury. Folks, I > _know_ this crowd. These are the grandkids & the kids of the families I > went to school with. (And wasn't that its own mind-blowing little trip, > but I digress.) Familiar names, faces, and bodies... but with bigger > breasts. Something, or somethings, is different. There was definitely > more boobage than there used to be. I don't mean skin on display, I > mean cubic inches. There was definitely a shortage of candidates for > the teeny tiny titty committee. Very odd indeed. I don't know how much > is hormones in the diet, how much is medical enhancement, & how much is > wonderbras, but the landscape was hillier than I used to see. And lots > of those girls were NOT wearing any bra, let alone anything that could > give that much boost. > > Your intrigued, > > Mary Piero Carey > >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 00:05:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9245mvj032566 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:05:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9245ow6007776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:05:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9244sPU098772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:04:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9244ri3077536; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4c.socket.net [216.106.48.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9244oRe077479 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:04:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 183C73965A for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:04:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:05:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <016101c80482$38facfc0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e224c572-13f6-4303-841b-7404a408ee38 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4701C39F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Hypothyroid is on the rise and one of the side effects is weight gain. I was tested for hypothyroid and was borderline. Instead of Amour (sp?) I was told to avoid soy products if at all possible. Try to lessen intake of cabbage (love French style cornbeef and cabbage), broccoli (really love, steamed, raw, w/cheese...), peanuts, etc.. and add things like apricots, kelp...etc. The last test showed me clear of the border but now I need to be consistant with eating through the day. Though small victory I lost 1 1/2" which I have been told size is more important then the weight (okay, you guys in the corner get your mind out of the gutter :) ) because muscle weighs more but is compact. I know this may sound weird but I knew someone who couldn't eat whole wheat but could eat white flour without a problem. He is thin as a rail. De ----- Original Message ----- From: ... > The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases > like > MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other "western" diseases aka the > diseases > of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat > and > we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a > chemical > hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing > is > that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of > dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside..... ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 01:24:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l925OlNt001929 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:24:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l925OnNw011104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:24:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l925Nm4t006977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l925NjPl041441; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l925Ng0O041325 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 61635 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2007 05:23:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1mqZd3KnCORl7cQOI+xhbdabfTQEXeC7riK46HrdwM16Q0w9pBuEwO/rPve340200bAMJ57+vuLfvsJdia224dRwnkg5PHvb8rQoW/v1zS1RktynqwLJagWYOa0zURAS2528IRvij7u7OTLVm5s0yO2HRTT5TnzQ3QUDDG2ZcwQ=; X-YMail-OSG: I91JPMMVM1kG9.6WxXThHY7c7ZjCzKVFtBHZdmoYrHpMi0ODMQtNkAGa9FejBM6mda3nMbrCCA-- Received: from [68.253.110.5] by web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:23:36 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <881355.61261.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Book Order X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67f9394e-8af7-40d9-bbc4-75f7247780ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4701D621.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 01:27:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l925RG3x001953 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:27:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l925QxHp003288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:27:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l925QPvw007077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:26:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l925QOKY043379; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l925QKSL043272 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:26:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABDSDXU6AHUVG5J for (sender ); Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:25:48 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgj61/w25jCjaOax3gjPJofk= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MYZ9VNZE; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:25:35 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:24:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet Message-ID: <20071001.222444.2244.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3123922380 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b98a88c-6cdd-44c0-b228-1f373dc01dce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4701D6A3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings De. I'm a few inches taller than you and weigh about the same. I have an autoimmune disorder and have to be on thyroid replacement meds (mine basically died) and some other pretty heavy duty drugs (all works, I'm fine), but my drs have all said that it is going to be very difficult for me to lose weight; that the best thing I can do for myself is to be fit, strong, and healthy, and not to sweat the weight issue. Eating healthy is always excellent, but it won't always fix the problems. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 02:59:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l926xc2H025408 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:59:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l926xePa023996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:59:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l926wblL016928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:58:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l926wXF0020353; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l926wTd6020295 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:58:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 607BE3F2E9 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:58:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:58:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20071001.222444.2244.1.Cley@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4324e5e8-0b68-4cf1-8829-5ecb5a4c09fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4701EC5C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Mine said that they found out that soy has a chemical that interfers with iodine absorbtion. A friend of mine was diagnosed with hypothyroid, she cut the foods out that inhibited iodine absorbtion and exercised and six months later her thyroid test came back negative and lost 13 lbs. but in her case her thyroid is still working. Another friend w/hypothyroid (age 67) said she was having problems with her meds slowly not doing the job. I told her of the food I was told to avoid or regulate and she tried for a month and found an some improvement with her meds. To me a healthy diet is one that works with your own body chemistry and genetics. You are correct that sometime even eating correctly to meet the problem doesn't always work. But I like to think that there is always hope in turning something around, we just haven't figured out what it is yet. The positive with me is learning which resturants use soy oil or canola and the cooks learn as well. Though one place when I asked, said salad oil and when I asked "but is it soy oil?" they said it is vegetable oil, not soy. One restuarant waitress went back to ask about the margerine and was told vegetable oil base and I said "soy or canola"? They read the fine print and found out it was soy based. This appearantly answered a problem with the owner's wife having problem as she is allegic to soy and she thought the margerine was corn oil based. De -----Original Message----- Greetings De. I'm a few inches taller than you and weigh about the same. I have an autoimmune disorder and have to be on thyroid replacement meds (mine basically died) and some other pretty heavy duty drugs (all works, I'm fine), but my drs have all said that it is going to be very difficult for me to lose weight; that the best thing I can do for myself is to be fit, strong, and healthy, and not to sweat the weight issue. Eating healthy is always excellent, but it won't always fix the problems. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 04:55:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l928trda008491 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 04:55:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l928tnjN010603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 04:55:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l928s36q026801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l928r4Rk020494; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l928qmX0020172 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 28020 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2007 08:52:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DTKd4zQVM1mtQDkqJZXqg0rwYBJ.sEEQquEy3huI8X8wlO4nzp4q1J840Xe6B5aHKLLbHOSO0g-- Received: from [81.152.18.199] by web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:52:42 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <016101c80482$38facfc0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <133030.27460.qm@web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f1b9b43-9112-44cf-8dfd-a73ca33e9eb1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47020795.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: ROr And from the other end of the spectrum... My grandmother was raised in the south before we knew some of the things we know now about nutrition, fat, etc. Everything she ate as a child and cooked as an adult had bacon fat, butter, cream etc. Many dishes were fried and/or had gravy on them. I think you get the picture. She didn't "work out" and only received the exercise gained from house and yard work. She wasn't obese, but she wasn't stick thin either. She was a bit "fluffy" but by no means fat. And she lived to be 103 with no major health problems. She drove her own car well into her 90s and lived alone taking care of herself until she was 100. She never lost her mental awareness until she had the stroke that killed her. Genetics definitely plays a major role in things, as well. Exstock wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: ... > The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune >diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other "western" >diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and >lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has >no history of safe consumption; Just to be contrary, I have to contrast my personal experience to these findings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 06:24:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92AO3Qc024215 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:24:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92AO5lS032647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:24:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92AMkbZ036469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 04:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92AMgdG001166; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 04:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.114]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l92AMckX001028 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 04:22:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 51739 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2007 10:22:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Uw5JmysfLdJdtxCuKFuRWhY5eF75xtGU77LCI78rjdS01QLDPU657Z3wg56Z1bVHENsuao+OTIvZAlFIcnKZ10UHenOPSe8Vrt4BPSIWFw9DtoW8HyX3xLX0YlrK0yrm+Mn3jyDEIyRWKCnsgcBydT+65YSuga3g0Il+MULCl6g=; X-YMail-OSG: nGVjmIIVM1nKCBjlwDDBiyeK2fUtn343BbKbUUSMvAc8e1yQgWFo3Ry3fEaDqk08vS4d8U27SY2g7ALNzWdsHNXQWKfmBc1qtl7.ivuoG7UU5xcFXcaHtFt61AhfNw-- Received: from [206.190.53.10] by web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 03:22:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 03:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <960183.51358.qm@web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: more on tea gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca22f1cf-3f9a-43b5-a596-1cc04882841a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47021C46.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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M= ail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 08:17:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92CHB6W028643 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:17:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92CHD9s026635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:17:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92CFvTv048693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92CFsmF004789; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [207.115.11.51]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92CFpaW004640 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettday@bellsouth.net) Received: from fwebmail08.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.158]) by bellsouth.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20071002121546H0100a0ir9e>; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:15:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.11.158] Received: from [68.219.122.172] by fwebmail08.isp.att.net; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:15:44 +0000 From: scarlettday@bellsouth.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Order Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:15:44 +0000 Message-Id: <100220071215.28619.470236700003EF2D00006FCB22230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 29 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2NhcmxldHRkYXlAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 70627529-f588-4c54-ac68-08af771a40a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470236C9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I had the same problem when I tried to order it from amazon .com uk. I was ordering it from them because at the time it was cheaper. It was also at the time when the book was just released. Other vendors have it on their website and you can order it from the authors, also. If you want I can post the other sites that have it. Catharine -------------- Original message from REBECCA BURCH : -------------- > I just got my third "order delay" message from Barnes > and Noble regarding my order for The Tudor Tailor. Has > anybody else had trouble receiving this book? Should I > just try a different vendor? > > Thanks for any input. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and > the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 09:57:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DvCAT032361 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:57:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92DGfOo027663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92DFI2V056209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DFGdS063266; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DFC53063181 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1445031774 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: <015401c804f6$462adfe0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B679A@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:15:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: edb21499-a67c-49c6-9b1b-ed2cb4c3f0cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470244B9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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DB _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 09:59:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DxgvH032448 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:59:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92DxiaV005176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92DxSWJ061375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DxRGQ006013; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:59:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sca.uwaterloo.ca (sca.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.56.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DxNFX005921 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eric@sca.uwaterloo.ca) Received: from sca.uwaterloo.ca (sca.uwaterloo.ca [127.0.0.1]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DxFB3032432 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:59:15 -0400 Received: (from eric@localhost) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0/Submit) id l92DxFM6032431 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:59:15 -0400 From: eric@sca.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <200710021359.l92DxFM6032431@sca.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:59:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <133030.27460.qm@web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> from "Beteena Paradise" at Oct 02, 2007 01:52:42 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a16d799-cc8a-4e14-887c-4434557d4f5a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47024ED1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Weighing in again on this. > And from the other end of the spectrum... My grandmother was raised in the south before we knew some of the things we know now about nutrition, fat, etc. Everything she ate as a child and cooked as an adult had bacon fat, butter, cream etc. Many dishes were fried and/or had gravy on them. I think you get the picture. She didn't "work out" and only received the exercise gained from house and yard work. She wasn't obese, but she wasn't stick thin either. She was a bit "fluffy" but by no means fat. I'm in the same boat - German heritage - lots of fried stuff, slices of butter on bread, butter fades into cakes by the pound .... As long as we were working on the farm or in construction all was well. That being said - the science is clear - ALL fats are unhealthy. Basically they stop your blood vessles from dilating for hours after you eat any fat. It dammages the walls, makes the platlets more sticky. Know anyone with a heart bypass yet? Truth is all of their arteries are clogged. The Vietnam soldiers who died in their early 20's all had signs of arteries clogging. Based upon that you can assume that everyone living a western diet has clogged arteries and should be on a no-added-fat diet. That being said; some people absorb lots of cholesterol from their diet and some pass it right thru like a carnivore. The science is not perfectly clear and never will be. We know that the more vegetarian the diet the healthier the people are. We know that WHOLE foods provide phytochemicals, fiber and a host of other things that help fight cancer, obesity etc. We know that active people eating such diets are never overweight (go to rural China some time); yet when they adopt our diet they adopt our diseases. Science is barking up the wrong tree by testing things in isolation. We now know that, chemically created vitamins increase cancer, heart disease and a host of other problems. The solution to our health problems is expensive drugs with nasty side effects and isolated chemical supplements. That's why I like Dr. John McDougalls take. Eat what our bodies are adapted to - a whole food, no added fat, mostly vegetarian diet. Eat foods that have generations of safe consumption behind them. For anyone with MS check out the Swank diet. For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. John McDougall has found in research. Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks. You should treat before you are offically hypothyroid. Don't believe that soy & brassica and other things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that; not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we get in our diet that ain't a possible. Yes weight gain with hypothyroid is normal as is thickening of the skin.... There are a wack of symptoms and apparently it's usually an autoimmune disease and if you have one you'll likely get another. Read books by Mary Shomon for hints about dealing with the weight. I've been there, foods made no difference, but my cholesterol and weight came down on medication. Armour works better for some - again read the books by Mary Shomon. In my case if I take the Thyroxine 3 hours after eating it's as if I never took it - but it works if I take it an hour before eating. McDougall Hot Health Issues: http://www.drmcdougall.com/medical_hottopics.html McDougall Thyroid Summary: http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/december/thyroid.htm Recently I sorted my pants into two piles - those I could never wear again and those that I could only hold up with a belt. I now fit into my doublets that I made 15 years ago; they're kind of loose now actually. - Eric Not our of a job yet? Keep buying foreign. Kids got asmetha yet? Keep driving. Planet destroyed yet? Keep consuming. Have you left the planet better than you found it? Have you left anything behind for your kids and their kids? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 10:10:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92EA0cu000366 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:10:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92E9v0F020574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:10:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92E9XHS062911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:09:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92E9VFi016383; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:09:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.109]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92E9RxF016216 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.16]) by bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:09:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:09:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.101.49.114 by BAY133-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:09:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.101.49.114] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <100220071215.28619.470236700003EF2D00006FCB22230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Order Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:09:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:09:31 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2007 14:09:21.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[D47ABE30:01C804FD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c46561e-2b26-48de-8fe1-7b43cbf75d5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47025135.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You might want to let the authors know about the problems you are having. They are really quite personable and very willing to help out. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 10:43:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92EhqSS001663 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:43:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92EhtQj030051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:43:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92EhPLO067286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92EhNQq052188; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l926HodB084892 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:17:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 092CF3F2E9 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:17:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Sofi dress and painting/finally found X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 5ebdc8be-3afa-4273-9e88-d2efedba8c02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4702592B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sofi gown http://tinyurl.com/27vqcj The Northern Italian painting that's similar. It has the puff and slash. Still isn't 1525. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_32.100.81.jpg I have been toying with the idea of making the dress in the painting but not so ornate for masquerades. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 10:44:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92EiVmj001687 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:44:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92EiXW4030979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:44:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92Ei9GT067567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92Ei8BM053187; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:44:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l926RHDh092291 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d3a.1481ed36 (65099) for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:26:39 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: a5f63272-0306-4187-a7c5-743f94c70680 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47025951.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO OK, UK for me, but I was raised on pretty much a WW2 diet, if you put the bananas and stuff back in. S'what I got by being raised by my Nana, who trained as a cook just pre WW2, but did most of her cooking during and just after. I still started wearing a bra at 9. In reality for me my shape has less to do with what I eat, (goes back generations), and more to do with hereditary, and the fact I can't exercise as much as I should cos of a childhood injury (got hit by a bike and thus have knackered knees). That said, I'm lucky not to have the disease my dad had which demands a virtually 0 fat diet. In a message dated 02/10/2007 05:05:30 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases > like > MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other "western" diseases aka the > diseases > of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat > and > we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a > chemical > hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing > is > that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of > dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 10:47:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92ElsGR001775 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:47:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92ElsAP002324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:48:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92ElWNr068963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92ElU8n058517; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92CqsQX040552 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (193.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.193]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20071002125248112001jmgpe>; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:52:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c804f3$21a7fac0$c1b04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <881355.61261.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Order Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:52:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83cd7b02-e30b-4291-9f68-f975b92609a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47025A1A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you want to go with another vendor, you might check with Devra Langsam at Poison Pen Press www.poisonpenpress.com . No discount, but she handles a wide range of medieval and Renaissance costuming books and The Tudor Tailor appears to be in stock. Bear >I just got my third "order delay" message from Barnes > and Noble regarding my order for The Tudor Tailor. Has > anybody else had trouble receiving this book? Should I > just try a different vendor? > > Thanks for any input. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 10:49:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92EnSju001841 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:49:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92EnP9a004520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:49:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92EmwnM069381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92Emu3m060467; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l92E1VqQ008555 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 91837 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2007 14:01:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=L33j26pBRN3RdqT3XvYois1uLyIiFZ76WNZ3vvj4EJudtu+vHhUuRt8no0KdVQFPpZTBw8tZpuZPtT+uv4ldCXUtlT0TM9zNgTPMcorLBgsmWamzZpjc7tDg/IHmFTzyyiKCTdH7k/5L/+2WaTPxLpbSvlqJYDuW85NG26FbYTI=; X-YMail-OSG: kP8HkBwVM1lm58dh.XYgQDTa9l2nA613Y5NtiqNOXLQ3o1oS4iDXTN6b4uRgypNRDzgoePaFiAo3ZGT73iPue8g0VabAgqJkS3.dsiHe9l9zkWzhCxA- Received: from [68.253.110.5] by web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:01:25 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:01:25 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book Order To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <100220071215.28619.470236700003EF2D00006FCB22230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <983359.90207.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b69f57dc-f505-4ead-b51b-7e61e7fff00a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47025A75.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm stuck with B&N because I'm using a gift card from my in-laws. I guess I'll just do the 30 day order extention and wait it out. But thanks for the offer. --- scarlettday@bellsouth.net wrote: > Hi, > I had the same problem when I tried to order it from > amazon .com uk. I was ordering it from them because > at the time it was cheaper. It was also at the time > when the book was just released. Other vendors have > it on their website and you can order it from the > authors, also. If you want I can post the other > sites that have it. > > Catharine > > > -------------- Original message from REBECCA BURCH > : -------------- > > > > I just got my third "order delay" message from > Barnes > > and Noble regarding my order for The Tudor Tailor. > Has > > anybody else had trouble receiving this book? > Should I > > just try a different vendor? > > > > Thanks for any input. > > > > Rebecca Burch > > Center Valley Farm > > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the > ones between the flat folds and > > the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 11:01:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92F1gHt002188 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:01:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92F1jVl018523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:01:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92F0aHa072276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:00:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92F07Dl075771; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92ExuA4075458 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:59:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so2868061nfd for ; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:59:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=N+iApmNNFTLUjFRhRwCOs4nRn2QHyMw4ILgW+cChacM=; b=IY5PmITBHwOoH0yibY05kwrjUtsWc/ar5kpQ6TlNZT0BJHeTAhIPztAVUZQZGBD8Vos8hW8YAghg+9ZH9/bL24IY9LKoO98Gv2Ozzn/ns6vrEFoTqtDf5k+TqxRYWrOBc+DoFZK6wTgw5RxRtxRVyN6z/bYJPHs9sDEOYRBVOYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZKe65dIvSUZDzVn5ZOl5yuc0dtwN79cwmL3HJeNbgZgZvhRqR+wKSkaW/rYJe2p89FpAvhJiMeFSkm8HnO25CICj20ZsID9IO5ACcVzvP43uaAr0E6MGAbU7F1W5q3Lypba2r7CXdUyJqUt5P3svTqi/6Yr9BiH+NjbW4Spfvsg= Received: by 10.82.160.19 with SMTP id i19mr1036265bue.1191337194435; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.119.19 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0710020759v72ca6526j5225b399b4096b48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:59:54 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for a pirate coat In-Reply-To: <20071001201908.EFA935402@alexander.concentric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200710011801.l91I0mNa009371@net.indra.com> <20071001201908.EFA935402@alexander.concentric.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b70d02b7-09bf-44cc-94cc-435f2522fcc8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47025D59.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, there's www.reconstructinghistory.com, I've seen some pics of the coats made up but I have no idea if they require tailoring and all... If you want something easily put together and don't care much about authenticity, you might be better off with Butterick and al. On 10/1/07, Julie wrote: > My husband is looking for a not very fancy great coat for pirate events. He wants to be more merchant than showy pirate. > > Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on tailoring, padstitching, etc. > > Julie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 12:14:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92GE6pQ005168 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:14:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92GE9Ia019185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:14:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92DtslJ061044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DtnXs002453; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:55:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92DthOo002335 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 22so3982515fkq for ; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:55:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tuvFGwXyrvj7uo6Tr5O0KBX7m38rMUOk3dm1GEq78vQ=; b=s+MOAvkjLwqUFdgEWMjboivp39+CfKLYi6vYCkuQ5IEEryc/XrSfNYGKsS3tgXZCwikddvF6XlSgUtdsXHNJUIEGliVC52VeR8X18+4Xacn532JVAx7FjdBUsZqT8tbI4HI1wCdMOMG4loATgBVVIxxJATIpxHWJlN/cAxXt0oo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NWpeUvo7Zl104TJvFDDsnu5hgep+QS+IRZlbZ+J4Lsto3gzXYM6xW3xpA2r/sL5n3769L7IEseEhdhDOFObJdG1H+p4lhkeWmlCW0jqRGNuOdbj6GB0Q1A2FSvdrQa6huy8pkLemfqYoYmiXDXZxVCInEKeN4u87+fflLbjDOY8= Received: by 10.82.165.13 with SMTP id n13mr18864867bue.1191333341168; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.119.19 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0710020655u17fc10adx87388e20b085046f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:55:41 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) In-Reply-To: <000101c804a3$b8856770$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709301800.l8UI07RH067643@net.indra.com> <47005C88.4080200@pierocarey.info> <4700695f.1f09360a.06c9.3d5a@mx.google.com> <000301c803fa$91355d00$6801a8c0@momlaptop> <000101c804a3$b8856770$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07576761-5745-4de0-aff2-264cb69e4df1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47026E51.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > I called my 22 yr old daughter (32A) and she said she gets bras either at > Victoria's Secret or The Gap (yes, they sell underwear). Yup, the Gap fit me too. Regular stores have either 32B or 34A, neither of which fit me. Or try the Elita brand, if they sell them around where you are. They're for young girls, but they have some unpadded unwired triangular tops that fit me really well (most of those types of things are aimed at sports, so they flatten - these don't). And they're reasonably priced too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 13:30:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92HUkve007561 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:30:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92HUmCC015349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92HTqop063012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92HThG4072415; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:29:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92HTYxj072096 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:29:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=IgeXniDGoN00GR/wmWCRIKaN+iaZ9/sBBXQYKrK/IJScf83c6dpiNYurjizQs9Gj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.51] (helo=mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IclYe-0006kI-Or for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:29:20 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:29:20 -0400 Message-ID: <9531741.1191346160681.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:29:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c726885c0cd39b7f8890ed0dfc59f1b69350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.51 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31dc7e31-aeec-4581-96ce-9657932bc4f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47028048.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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My grandmother >was raised in the south before we knew some of the things >we know now about nutrition, fat, etc. Nutritionists refer to the Standard American Diet as "SAD" for more reasons than one...... ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 14:39:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92IdEOu009663 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:39:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92IdHru003135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:39:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92Ic5OA075196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92Ic0tH059604; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:38:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from courageux.concentric.com (courageux.concentric.com [207.155.248.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92IbuAG059531 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: by courageux.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay, from userid 500) id 41AE92526; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.248.177) with Concentric Web Mail; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:37:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:37:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200710020405.l9244r3x077541@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <20071002183752.41AE92526@courageux.concentric.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pirate coat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d12a956a-43cc-4ed3-83c0-481f54f157f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47029055.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 14:45:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92Ij6kM009836 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:45:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l92Ij8vj008052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:45:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92GhWJ9091355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:43:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92GhQjU013304; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l92GhLsX013058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39725) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IckqC-00037t-LA; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:43:24 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:43:24 -0400 Message-ID: <20071002124324.r3l6vk3pm8s00ccs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:43:24 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B025B679A@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <015401c804f6$462adfe0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <015401c804f6$462adfe0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 671293af-f0f4-43c4-bcb0-6819fcf428bc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470291B4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Was it on this list whee The Blessed Sisters of St. Boobula came up? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 20:06:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9306BkI019623 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:06:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93067Xw018226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:06:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9303ian027289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9303dxs051501; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9303ahe051455 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 316DA374D5 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:03:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:03:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <200710021359.l92DxFM6032431@sca.uwaterloo.ca> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e62a4feb-4367-485a-9561-9c4f9e0e5f7b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4702DCEF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO -----Original Message----- >That being said - the science is clear - ALL fats are unhealthy. < De:I believe this is incorrect. < Know anyone with a heart bypass yet?> De: Yes, but it was oddly for a genetic abnormality and he is a Vegan. > De: I have a hard time believing that the Chinese do not have problems with weigh except if they eat the "Western" diet. You are also broad brushing with your statements. <> De: chemically treated? please clarify and please cite your sources for the alleged increase in cancer and heart disease etc because of the "chemically" treated vitamins. <> De: "Eat what our bodies are adapted to" If you were to research old and ancient societies you would find that several were not "mostly vegetarian diet" And presently our bodies have adapted to modern diets ranging from carnivore to Vegan. By the way, I'm not allergic but whole wheat stuff doesn't agree with my stomach so I guess I am not adapted to whole wheat. <<< Don't believe that soy>>> De: Again, there is a chemical in soy that interferes with iodine absorption. Iodine is needed for http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/iodine.htm All cells in the body need iodine for proper functioning. All glands (thyroid, adrenal, etc.) especially need iodine for the production of hormones. Dr. Brownstein believes that iodine deficiency is a major cause of breast cancer and other diseases of the reproductive organs such as ovarian, uterus and prostrate cysts and cancers. Iodine levels in US soil have fallen 50 per cent over the past 50 years and soil in the US is deficient in iodine. The Great Lakes region has some of lowest soil iodine levels in the world and this results in high levels of cancers related to iodine deficiency. Dr. Brownstein has been quite successful in treating fibrocystic breast disease (cysts in the breast) with iodine/iodine supplementation. In one case a 37 year-old woman with severe fibrocystic breast disease was completely cured after supplementing with 50 mgs of iodine a day for two months. Women with larger breasts need more iodine than women with smaller breasts. Other medical authorities agree that iodine deficiency can lead to fibrocystic breast disease and/or ovarian cysts. <& brassica > De: Has been found to help in cancer prevention, it also has a chemical that inhibits iodine absorption. <(sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that;> De: Kelp contains iodine and iron. There are studies that prove that Kelp can be beneficial in helping the body to maintain good health. There has been one European study, kelp was found to help with the effectiveness of hormone meds for hypothyroid and lessen the dosage in several cases. Not a cure but something to help. > De: Again a broad brushing assumption. My intake of iodinized salt (salt in general) was lessened 15 yrs ago (voluntarily and not for medical reasons). 5 yrs ago I had to go back to it. 18 yrs ago I was getting sea salt before it became nutritionally fashionable. By the way there are several types of hypothyroid. One is Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I do not has this but my friend does and it was caused by medication that she took when a child. I will check out this Dr. McDougall but so far he does not impress me and causes my "something not quite kosher" radar to blink. I will check out Ms Shomon as well. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 2 23:57:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l933v4Q4029411 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:57:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l933v2oo012018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:57:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l933tvRL055278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:55:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l933trkw062311; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l933toKC062215 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20071003035545b1100bnqd8e>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 03:55:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:55:44 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costume photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8109f5a1-f32c-4255-8671-c16558710c43 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4703130E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Answers - Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 04:18:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l938I2eH004047 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 04:18:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l938I49r022401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 04:18:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l938GoPD075054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 02:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l938GlG2071056; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 02:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1015.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1015.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l938GhxV070943 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 02:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 55428 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2007 08:16:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ywiWrG4VM1neJyuGf9RE7rMPxg.qUWdLFtNIAmfGvxxvpIa3.H6Gfn5Qa4VrI9owtw-- Received: from [81.152.18.199] by web1015.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:16:38 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <153324.48971.qm@web1015.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 318740f0-76dc-4840-8368-25519c0ef4a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4703503C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It depends on how historically accurate you want the images to be, but Dover Books have several books of costume images that come with cds containing all of the images in several different formats. The books have Tom Tierney and Braun & Schneider illustrations. This shows a few: http://store.doverpublications.com/0486996190.html Teena Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 07:47:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93BlHXN000708 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:47:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93BlI5j014651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:47:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93BjvI1004511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93BjqWo075652; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Bjl1x075436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 122-49-173-197.ip.adam.com.au ([122.49.173.197] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Id2fd-000Al7-TA for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:15:41 +0930 Message-ID: <002c01c805b2$e7438aa0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200710021409.l92E9VhA016394@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:15:32 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4eb6db67-5582-46a6-a814-1a214dc6b06a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47038146.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Message: 12 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: eric@sca.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <200710021359.l92DxFM6032431@sca.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That being said - the science is clear - ALL fats are unhealthy. Basically they stop your blood vessles from dilating for hours after you eat any fat. It dammages the walls, makes the platlets more sticky. Know anyone with a heart bypass yet? Truth is all of their arteries are clogged. The Vietnam soldiers who died in their early 20's all had signs of arteries clogging. Based upon that you can assume that everyone living a western diet has clogged arteries and should be on a no-added-fat diet. >Not entirely - you need some fats (fatty acids are essential for brain function) - even a little bit of cholesterol. For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. John McDougall has found in research. Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks. You should treat before you are offically hypothyroid. Don't believe that soy & brassica and other things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that; not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we get in our diet that ain't a possible. >Interesting about the soy and brassica thing - I'd never heard that before. >I read to avoid red meat and peanuts when I was first diagnosed. Yes, I am another one with autoimmune hypothyroidism. I developed it as an exceedingly healthy and essentially vegetarian 23 yr old. There is a genetic component, but not in my family. I acquired it in another common way to get autoimmune disorders, which is to have the 'flu. The immune system overreacts and starts thinking parts of you look tasty. This is more likely in people who were not ill much as children apparently - the immune system doesn't have a chance to calibrate its response appropriately. I was a classic case of this. I was hardly ever ill as a child, and when I was, I had the mildest possible case of whatever it was (in fact I'm still like this to a certain extent). This is so off topic, but since there are a few people out there with thyroid problems, what do you do about collars? I have always been one of those people who hate something close around their neck, and now I have a mild goiter from time to time, it is worse. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 08:07:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93C7mG4001265 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:07:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93C7pfi025396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:07:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93C7DxA007475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93C7Ans096396; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93C74a6096176 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 630057759-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.67.199.219 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAGoiA0dPQ8fb/2dsb2JhbACBWWE3 Received: from 79-67-199-219.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.67.199.219]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 03 Oct 2007 13:06:58 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071003125426.033895f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:06:44 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <002c01c805b2$e7438aa0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> References: <200710021409.l92E9VhA016394@net.indra.com> <002c01c805b2$e7438aa0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet/Thyroid goitre X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ccff613-38be-4047-911d-4c4689d31be9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47038617.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > >For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. >John McDougall >has found in research. Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased >cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks. You should treat before >you are offically hypothyroid. Don't believe that soy & brassica and other >things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science >behind that; >not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of >(iodized) salt we >get in our diet that ain't a possible. I have had a thyroid problem since shortly after my son was born - about 27 years ago. This is a regular occurrence, apparently - that you can have a flare up after pregnancy. I do not take salt, so iodized salt would have made no difference - it is a hormonal problem. I have put on weight because my hormone imbalance, eased by taking synthetic thyroxine, occasionally gets out of sync. (Underactive = weight gain, normal = stable weight, overactive = weight loss, raised blood pressure, pulse etc. so I am not allowed this!) >>Interesting about the soy and brassica thing - I'd never heard that before. I >read to avoid red meat and peanuts when I was first diagnosed. Yes, I am >another one with autoimmune hypothyroidism. I developed it as an exceedingly >healthy and essentially vegetarian 23 yr old. There is a genetic >component, but not >in my family. I acquired it in another common way to get autoimmune >disorders, which is to have the 'flu. The immune system overreacts and starts >thinking parts of you look tasty. This is more likely in people who >were not ill >much as children apparently - the immune system doesn't have a chance to >calibrate its response appropriately. I was a classic case of this. >I was hardly ever >ill as a child, and when I was, I had the mildest possible case of >whatever it was (in >fact I'm still like this to a certain extent). I have not been told to avoid anything. I read I am supposed to eat this and that for hormone balance, but avoid the other stuff because of another medical problem, and eat such and such for a third. So I eat moderate amounts of food I like, and keep checking the blood levels. I do not have raised cholesterol, and have not been told they are related, although I do understand that osteoporosis can be a side effect. >This is so off topic, but since there are a few people out there with thyroid >problems, what do you do about collars? I have always been one of those >people who hate something close around their neck, and now I have a mild >goiter from time to time, it is worse. I never wear anything on my neck these days, as I have a scar where most of the thyroid gland was removed. It doesn't hurt, but my neck muscles have thickened, and high necks are all too tight and uncomfortable. If I get really cold, I will put a soft scarf in the neck of my top, but hate it. I rarely ever do up my winter coats either, although my jacket has a "funnel" style neck, and doesn't actually touch my neck. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 10:04:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93E4T8M005539 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:04:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93E4VAF007938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:04:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93E3PlO030008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:03:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93E3MWO030840; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93E3Eh6030542 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.6]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071003140308.PYUS19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:03:08 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.6]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071003140308.UAHI15072.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:03:08 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:02:23 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071003140308.UAHI15072.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] book: Henry VIII costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 788e6e61-be93-41e9-bab7-65437a82643b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4703A16F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward Paperback ISBN: 1905981414 Pub. Date: October 28, 2007 http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=show&fwid=766 I had an email from Janet Hague (Maney Publishers) today. She says that this is now published and available. Since the hardcover is a bit expensive, I ordered the paper from Barnes and Noble (best price I could find). http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&EAN=1905981414 Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 10:18:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93EIhMn006233 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:18:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93EIjsj025995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:18:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93EIQwc032453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93EIPv1049834; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93EIKKl049636 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:18:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JPC00CEMAE9JON0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:17:37 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dde7fedd-d6cd-49a8-93d7-b2aa0fb26dc8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4703A4C5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 10:46:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93EkMw6007068 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:46:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93EkPgp003983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:46:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93Ejv2S037270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Ejqkl085816; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93EjhBI085489 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20071003144536m1100mssvue>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:45:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <153324.48971.qm@web1015.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <153324.48971.qm@web1015.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <73504b5b6e40019f9b3f676ec914ca58@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:45:35 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db8e996b-b5f2-4813-8038-702e1cf23903 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4703AB41.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The books > have Tom Tierney and Braun & Schneider illustrations. > > This shows a few: > http://store.doverpublications.com/0486996190.html > > Teena > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for > costume/fashion > history cds? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 10:50:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93EoGBi007185 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:50:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93EoDXi012204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:50:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93EneJi038196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Encjm091483; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93EnYlp091235 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20071003144923m1200fgqvje>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:49:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:49:22 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36e70560-2d4e-474c-8470-810e99ec5624 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4703AC25.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, but then I have to search all over the web to find what I want. Do you know one or two good online sources? I'm talking history from ancient Mesopotamia up to the present. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, monica spence wrote: > Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file > and > make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you > don't > have to break the binding of the books. > > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] costume photos > > > Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion > history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I > can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so > the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't > help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 11:34:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93FY2x6008992 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:34:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93FY30t026269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:34:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93FX1rp046762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93FUjSY047601; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:31:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93FTonp046070 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JPC000R6DOZRAJ0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:28:51 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos In-reply-to: <73504b5b6e40019f9b3f676ec914ca58@ntw.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 946eece6-e760-4f43-8353-444695ff3841 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4703B66B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Unless Dover has some really great new books, I would not go with Dover's images. They are line drawings. So are the Tom Tierney and Braun & Schneider illustrations. There is a really expensive ($150+) costume cd on Amazon, but I do not know how good it is. If You Google "Images" under a painter's name or a time period (eg: Bronzino or Sixteenth century clothing), you will get great sources-- period paintings. For real primary sources (clothes) look in Museum collections. You will be able to get things you have not seen in books lots of times. I have been teaching costume history for years and When I made my CDs to teach each topic/ period, that is what I did and the students love the pictures. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Good idea, but I'd really like mostly primary sources. I'll check out Dover though. Thanx. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 2:16 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: > It depends on how historically accurate you want the images to be, but > Dover Books have several books of costume images that come with cds > containing all of the images in several different formats. The books > have Tom Tierney and Braun & Schneider illustrations. > > This shows a few: > http://store.doverpublications.com/0486996190.html > > Teena > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for > costume/fashion > history cds? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 11:53:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Fr0GT009600 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:53:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93FqwsR030792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93FqNKU050235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Fp9QR075825; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93For0g075198 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20071003155043m1400jfo53e>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:50:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <647e0801be22135bb21a414f7a3230ad@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:50:42 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a648680e-067a-4659-996f-ab32bc0804ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4703BADA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I know what you mean. I'm trying to do a very brief overview of history in my costume and fashion industry class and I just don't have time for all this this semester. Maybe I can work on it over winter break. As it is, the job pays so poorly that I end up making about $5 an hour with even a minimum amount of prep time. Gotta start looking for a better teaching job, although at my age, I doubt I can find one. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 9:28 AM, monica spence wrote: > Depends opn the period--- I teach the same thing. It took weeks, > months to > get them to where I was happy. I don't know if there are any > short-cuts. Do > one a week and you'll be fine. > > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:49 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos > > > Yes, but then I have to search all over the web to find what I want. > Do you know one or two good online sources? I'm talking history from > ancient Mesopotamia up to the present. > > Sylrog > > On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, monica spence wrote: > >> Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file >> and >> make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you >> don't >> have to break the binding of the books. >> >> Monica >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On >> Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] costume photos >> >> >> Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion >> history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either >> I >> can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so >> the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't >> help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. >> >> Sylrog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 12:20:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93GK3mq010873 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:20:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93GK5LB030341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:20:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93GJXVJ054777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93GJSCQ014033; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93GJ56q013399 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F239D104BBD for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:18:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4703C0ED.6010406@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:18:53 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: fa7aca00-dc4d-427d-a922-cd1a20ba2ee6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4703C135.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion > history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I > can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the > pictures come out decently. Use a scanner. It's much easier to get a good image than with a camera. You can find them anywhere, computer stores, department stores, office supply, and they start under $100 -- sometimes under $50. If you're going to be using it to take many pictures, it may be a worthwhile investment. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 12:39:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Gdrvj011936 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:39:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93GdoLO025064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:39:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93GcecG058169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Gc2F0039900; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l93Gbnar039375 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14024 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2007 16:37:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CJR8gxiaRKwZTLB4kxkZ8FoWBE0xM9OIaEqr73Ti7i0tKS8fnr9btWoKZcjInSORHhrHVoRH6mG/8qPrCkDO5MTL8UpqFqQMD8THXpRWJt7iy+i0PdzKVdtZ61+rHZL0elDPzSptLuUKQNf7ehquErkZPBauF0PHmJMDqISpBaE=; X-YMail-OSG: ITBbIZ4VM1nKFUcuhwCIXa6Es5oGHtOUCd3E5UMlGXtdvqe1QLlPX2A9igufQHDU5EYWmdtAT_dNv421pW50wA3323BT2uw1eiqA1Y99gPT0qkNp Received: from [87.244.90.74] by web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:37:35 BST Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:37:35 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20071003140308.UAHI15072.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <645837.12437.qm@web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What about Dress at the Court of Henry VII? - was book: Henry VIII costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a6057f8-c43b-4fae-aab2-ea56ebc911b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4703C5D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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In Service, Matthew Baker, dwelling in "old" Jersey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 13:55:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Ht3MG015051 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:55:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93Ht1Wp006657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:55:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93HqwoS074569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93HqheR046475; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu ([199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93Hqckp044983 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:52:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:53:00 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:52:59 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02609EBD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume photos Thread-Index: AcgFyIRL+JJIJYwpTjCvccyH8FEqZQAHYfMg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2007 17:53:00.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D0369F0:01C805E6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c80f74ad-daac-405a-aafb-50953f29e285 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4703D775.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though - or get permission first. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 14:49:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93InvY6016847 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:49:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93Inx2j011934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:50:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93InKFw085373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93InA6A024080; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpoutm.mac.com (smtpoutm.mac.com [17.148.16.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93In3oG023748 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout019/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l93Imtxt021681 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [140.107.73.116] (dhcp073116.fhcrc.org [140.107.73.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l93Imqrw002652 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200710031802.l93I2GrA060790@net.indra.com> References: <200710031802.l93I2GrA060790@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0DB5BE58-05C0-4877-B96A-E69ED965EFB8@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Agnes Gawne Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:48:51 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: costume photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9f47133-efa0-4c0a-856b-435d8c316b09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4703E457.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have been teaching a seminar on the history of fashion since 1999. I used to lug many different books to class each week and use an opaque projector to show those images! But, sometime around late 2000 I started scanning the best pictures. Sometimes I even bought a new copy (used) of the books I was heavily scanning from so that I could release the bindings and scan more easily. Then I made powerpoint presentations and brought a computer and projector to the school. Since I own (often 2 copies) of the books I scanned and only use the scanned images to make it easier to see the images in the classroom (and quicker to change from one book to another) I feel I have complied with the meaning of the law, if not the letter of the law. It's only the technology of the presentation that I have changed. If you add images from the internet to your powerpoint presentations for class be sure to credit the museum/website that you lift them from. I am not a copyright lawyer so I don't know the legalities of using these images but if you use them only in your class and do not make a bunch of copies of your presentations and sell them you might get away with using the images for education and not be in danger of lawsuit. Some websites specifically state that you may not use their images without their permission, however that does not mean that you cannot put a link in your presentation and go to their website during class (if you have a live internet connection in your classroom). i have done that with the Metropolitan Museum, and even personal websites of members of this list. If you do this you must log on earlier in the day before class and make sure your links are still good. Since my class runs for 12 weeks the links have often changed since I last visited them. If you are in a high profile setting or a school that has a legal department you might ask for legal counsel to advise you about using the images from websites or books you do not own. Good Luck! Agnes Gawne > 1. Re: costume photos (Sylvia Rognstad) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:50:42 -0600 > From: Sylvia Rognstad > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <647e0801be22135bb21a414f7a3230ad@ntw.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I know what you mean. I'm trying to do a very brief overview of > history in my costume and fashion industry class and I just don't have > time for all this this semester. Maybe I can work on it over winter > break. As it is, the job pays so poorly that I end up making about $5 > an hour with even a minimum amount of prep time. Gotta start looking > for a better teaching job, although at my age, I doubt I can find one. > > Sylrog > > On Oct 3, 2007, at 9:28 AM, monica spence wrote: > >> Depends opn the period--- I teach the same thing. It took weeks, >> months to >> get them to where I was happy. I don't know if there are any >> short-cuts. Do >> one a week and you'll be fine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 15:07:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93J7a0L017730 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:07:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93J7c9W030853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:07:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93FX1Xm046763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93FUj6Y047602; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:31:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93FTonr046070 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JPC000R6DOZRAJ0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:28:51 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bbc5a1a-82cf-4815-835b-756d76af30b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4703E87A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Depends opn the period--- I teach the same thing. It took weeks, months to get them to where I was happy. I don't know if there are any short-cuts. Do one a week and you'll be fine. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Yes, but then I have to search all over the web to find what I want. Do you know one or two good online sources? I'm talking history from ancient Mesopotamia up to the present. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, monica spence wrote: > Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file > and > make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you > don't > have to break the binding of the books. > > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] costume photos > > > Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion > history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I > can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so > the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't > help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 15:13:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93JDbmL017912 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:13:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93JDdu3027411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:13:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93JCTaH088999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93JCP0U054476; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93JCGEp054218 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93JC9oU003099 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02609EBD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02609EBD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <43433B31-70D0-4A19-85AD-4C89353DEFB0@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:12:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f34fb689-9f04-44d6-89c9-633a542b2501 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4703E9E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 3, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though > - or > get permission first. Copywriting is what a copywriter does. Copyright is an intellectual property. Simply put, it's the right to control reproduction and use of a work. That's why it's "right" and not "write." Copywrite is, well, nothing. It's kind of like "irregardless." It's a non-word substituted for a real one. If this is for non-profit educational use, it may fall under "fair use." The University of Texas has an excellent "Crash Course in Copyright" with an extensive section (that's understandable by the hoi polloi, not just lawyers) on fair use. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 18:50:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93MoDMu025247 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:50:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93Mo6nB025760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:50:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93Mmret021314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:48:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93MmmnJ029675; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:48:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net (alnrmhc16.comcast.net [204.127.225.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93MmjUs029516 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20071003224839b1600boce6e>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:48:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4703C0ED.6010406@reddawn.net> References: <4703C0ED.6010406@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:48:39 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4674a8dd-b5f2-4728-802e-df51db03995c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47041C9E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a scanner but it only works with my old computer and to transfer images to my laptop or burn cds doesn't work. Why I hadn't thought of that at this point, beats me. Guess I just need to buy a new scanner. Thanks for bringing that up, although I do recall when I used to use the scanner I have it didn't print book photos very well. I can't remember if they looked better on the computer. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Dawn wrote: > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >> Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for >> costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of >> books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the >> camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. > > Use a scanner. It's much easier to get a good image than with a > camera. You can find them anywhere, computer stores, department > stores, office supply, and they start under $100 -- sometimes under > $50. If you're going to be using it to take many pictures, it may be a > worthwhile investment. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 19:29:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93NT783026358 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:29:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93NT9k3012585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:29:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93NSa6G027215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93NSZuA072913; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:28:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93NSXJd072883 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so10236333pyi for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:28:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=K3aAbQHRL6FR06G7IPcaHIEBnQof5ihjWfF0qKrSt1w=; b=uKM3HZ2aHMDDggz5AQZ+FmNClkHdE512e7TJq2i5QZqhNh3Q4NTz2taElRxnE/VJZJRmiOec67qhP+FAubzgE+wMfgN0RovNeu6LREwDfJFGkMkLUvybDorAgFo8QZwOrTIWJctgWcOOWCpjDVaCQ2NffnlZjj58bEqY4ti/qpE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=alu70sffax6DShUyTokLtL6VPqNXSFVoqb+WR2JGS0HulSWnJltD2QGBDxS81sDneUiFwrEDNYs4hY9ZQtjz9zKHEYBH5lW2odwccNEohk+eCr/wSWGL2aiGW7+xeJe/TVSyCjOmzaA4U8FO5g4uuT2PNstDoYj9Zgm4cKLykz0= Received: by 10.35.109.2 with SMTP id l2mr10546118pym.1191454113323; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f79sm1207860pyh.2007.10.03.16.28.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <024201c80615$46e323f0$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4703C0ED.6010406@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:29:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 290e57f0-1865-4727-81f4-f4f3c4522759 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470425C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This DVD: http://www.digitale-bibliothek.de/scripts/ts.dll?mp=/art/1716/ might be useful to you; you can see the types of images it has at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Yorck_Project In fact, you could just as easily browse through all they have in the second link (keep hitting the next 200 link, as there's TONS--10,000!) rather than trying to deal with ordering from a German language site. They do have images from lots of eras, though I don't know how far back they go. For more info on the project & the legalities (public domain) read this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:10%2C000_paintings_from_Directmedia -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 20:53:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l940rGFQ029176 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:53:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l940r6hP016159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:53:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l940p9cN037767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l940ouJS053341; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93IcS8I009094 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.6]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071003183808.IRGE19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:38:08 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.6]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071003183807.YLWX15072.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:38:07 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:37:24 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071003183807.YLWX15072.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Danish Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a93eb73-fb33-4309-b9f7-92e21d3cecc6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47043972.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne, You are probably already aware of the Costume Group of Danish Museums, but just in case: http://www.dragt.dk/index.eng.html Danish costume bibliography. http://www.dragt.dk/artikler/index.eng.html Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 20:54:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l940s16i029212 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:54:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l940rxQH025092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:54:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l940qJdF037966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:52:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l940qI1c054742; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93JEDL9056733 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l93JE5oU003412 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <79353666-B2D8-4F1F-8E57-2FF2A76C96E4@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:13:56 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ac9a4b9-bd67-438c-9aff-7c9310af38cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470439A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/ > fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books > but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera > steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod > but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a > collection somewhere. I'm all for scanners if you can do it without breaking the binding. If the originals are too large, use a camera and a "copy stand." They're available on eBay pretty cheap. I've been meaning to get a copy stand to photograph patterned fabrics with a large repeat. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 20:54:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l940sbGE029230 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:54:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l940sbvG016038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:54:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l940rM0c038277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l940rLx3056040; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:53:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.225.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93MoRPj031522 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20071003225022b150026vfse>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:50:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02609EBD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02609EBD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <949930e58f21793c5191acb4fb4b0d35@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:50:22 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 154eaea7-fc3d-4c0a-ac95-4f032de4dc25 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470439CD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Does one need permission just to take pics to show for a class? There's no way I am going to try to do that for all the books I'm copying out of. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though - > or > get permission first. > > Patty > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of monica spence > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:18 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos > > Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file > and > make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you > don't > have to break the binding of the books. > > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] costume photos > > > Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion > history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I > can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so > the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't > help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 21:05:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9415G6n029584 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:05:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9415JRk032745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94154IB039820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94152iL067689; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9414wYM067532 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9414qoU018101 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <949930e58f21793c5191acb4fb4b0d35@ntw.net> References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02609EBD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <949930e58f21793c5191acb4fb4b0d35@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:04:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9180b089-a9ff-4b20-a84b-6e1dd587bdfc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47043C4F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Does one need permission just to take pics to show for a class? > There's no way I am going to try to do that for all the books I'm > copying out of. UT's Crash Course in Copyright. Short answer: probably not. Read it, though. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 21:40:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941eJSZ030663 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:40:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l941eLjo021174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:40:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l941dlss043971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941dkf5001993; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941dfFR001848 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cb6.19cd2348 (48600) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:39:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 756cc16b-c6df-4e09-b532-6fbef1216d9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47044485.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Weird. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 21:45:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941jgxF030813 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:45:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l941jita021511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:45:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l941jTEQ044572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941jSUG007412; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941jM9W007225 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c3d.1f75339a (48600) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:45:11 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44d47abe-2d55-4833-a537-a90bfddd80ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470445C8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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[One who "makes" or "builds" a copy?] :-P ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 21:47:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941lEnN030854 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:47:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l941lGlQ024849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:47:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l941ktsc044714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941kq7m008886; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:46:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941klu3008565 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d08.1d3aa834 (48600) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:46:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34936f11-c1e9-4d0e-a5ee-b351d7fabb03 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47044624.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/3/2007 9:05:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, attrembl@bovil.com writes: On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Does one need permission just to take pics to show for a class? > There's no way I am going to try to do that for all the books I'm > copying out of. UT's Crash Course in Copyright. Short answer: probably not. Read it, though. ***************** It seems to me you only need permission if you're making money directly off the image. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 21:55:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941t1Qm031068 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:55:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l941t4FB029223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:55:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l941sH3J045907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941sEBo016995; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l941sBJC016861 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:54:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:55:24 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C80629.A0B32AE7" Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:55:08 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D5@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D5@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume photos Thread-Index: AcgGKHzgmVCitMBoSxiVfiXjr4HongAARp5J References: From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 01:55:24.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0C63830:01C80629] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17631bae-780e-4432-8f5b-ffee71b58355 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470447F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80629.A0B32AE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...or maybe copywights for virtual copies. :-)=20 ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Wed 10/3/2007 9:45 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos In a message dated 10/3/2007 8:53:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 RICKARPA@muc.edu writes: Copywriting is what a copywriter does. Copyright is an intellectual property. Simply put, it's the right to=20 control reproduction and use of a work. That's why it's "right" and=20 not "write." *************** How about a copywright? [One who "makes" or "builds" a copy?] :-P ************************************** See what's new at = http://www.aol.com =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80629.A0B32AE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80629.A0B32AE7-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 22:12:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942CS4m031565 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:12:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l942CVEo016300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l942BxoL048684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942BvTo034000; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942BrDK033927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:11:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (71-214-247-5.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l942BqQA020805 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:11:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200710031801.l93I1SJx059611@net.indra.com> References: <200710031801.l93I1SJx059611@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:11:48 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4461/Wed Oct 3 02:50:48 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: scanners, costume/fashion history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08d657fe-6c1d-4117-87b1-50eb575597a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47044C0F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Check with your college library. Ours has a free scanner for patrons to use--you can e-mail the pics to yourself but not print them in the library. I imagine you could create some sort of presentation on your computer once you've got the images loaded. Has anyone else tried this? Suzanne > From: Dawn > Date: October 3, 2007 11:18:53 AM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >> Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/ >> fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books >> but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera >> steady enough so the pictures come out decently. > > Use a scanner. It's much easier to get a good image than with a > camera. You can find them anywhere, computer stores, department > stores, office supply, and they start under $100 -- sometimes under > $50. If you're going to be using it to take many pictures, it may > be a worthwhile investment. > > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 22:25:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942PBHH031980 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:25:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l942PBoD004229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l942Iwf4050239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942It3g041578; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l942IqLc041430 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 45539 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 02:18:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gst99DjxvQJEPi4EQtetcpFJQ5RbVX0OycinWNGdIHQ/jN+Vmd11orRUC0zAgkslmCBqGHfl5V9ULh5C/S+iYEukyDGhmprI6rqj0qH5cytg08pQcO9glO3t5Ppolwgv23eoM9u3NSrBg/nbhBktnGrY4JKSDGL5iTNACHSDPnA=; X-YMail-OSG: 2Hkd.DEVM1n39yVcshu6RKfAFYHK8qER3d8rkj6VSaN.aVEnlfhhK9KmY.Mz03skgHTh0yQ5nC5mxIDfu9OSDLPu08XvJLppSdPjCdpgdr6hyFevBVf_vNsoYyfTgWIxWXY2RAvI8OxmjkdyWsOexaUk Received: from [207.81.102.94] by web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:18:46 EDT Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <923482.44846.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] cotton wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de5be5af-3706-47eb-a810-f507f9cd5764 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47044F07.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 22:27:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942RFh4032043 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:27:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l942RIgl005589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:27:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l942QvZx051685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942Qu2O050043; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942Qq21049867 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:26:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C606D104D60 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:26:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47044F6D.1010107@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:26:53 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cotton wool References: <923482.44846.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <923482.44846.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 932856ec-febd-44f4-b725-55cce3967cd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47044F86.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 22:41:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942fHVc032551 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:41:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l942fJH6021813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:41:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l942ehkP053601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942eh1V064401; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l942ecDT064199 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:40:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W33 ([65.55.136.68]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:37:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.94.94.252] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:37:47 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 02:37:53.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[90967C30:01C8062F] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05085f8d-5e39-4e4a-a491-bc886cfe33ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470452CF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > It seems to me you only need permission if you're making money=20 > directly off the image. A common misconception, but it's not true. Whether or not you use the image= to make money (or even if you just charge money to cover the expenses of p= ublishing and don't make anything) is irrelevant to whether you have the ri= ght to publish the image in the first place. (If that doesn't make sense, consider that if you give away my work for fre= e, you are still potentially damaging my ability to earn money from my own = work, if I so choose. You have also violated my right to control or even pr= ohibit the distribution of my work, which is independent of monetary issues= .) Another common misconception: As long as you give credit by naming the crea= tor, you can publish it without asking permission. Not true. That frees you= from a charge of plagiarism, but not from copyright restrictions. That said, if you don't ask for money and you give credit, and you get call= ed into court, the fact that you showed good intent and didn't profit may r= educe or eliminate the amount of money the court makes you pay.=20 --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop = by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Oc= tWLtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 23:19:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l943JNh0001264 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:19:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l943JPwb026907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:19:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l943INmw058089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l943IJKF000644; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [216.148.227.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l943IFWh000528 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:18:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20071004031810m1500ib081e>; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:18:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:18:09 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-WEiAPG-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50b877c4-3140-43c1-af3e-9e487982a827 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47045BBD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO But I'm not publishing the photos I copy. You keep using the word =20 publish. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > >> It seems to me you only need permission if you're making money >> directly off the image. > > A common misconception, but it's not true. Whether or not you use the =20= > image to make money (or even if you just charge money to cover the =20 > expenses of publishing and don't make anything) is irrelevant to =20 > whether you have the right to publish the image in the first place. > > (If that doesn't make sense, consider that if you give away my work =20= > for free, you are still potentially damaging my ability to earn money =20= > from my own work, if I so choose. You have also violated my right to =20= > control or even prohibit the distribution of my work, which is =20 > independent of monetary issues.) > > Another common misconception: As long as you give credit by naming the = =20 > creator, you can publish it without asking permission. Not true. That =20= > frees you from a charge of plagiarism, but not from copyright =20 > restrictions. > > That said, if you don't ask for money and you give credit, and you get = =20 > called into court, the fact that you showed good intent and didn't =20 > profit may reduce or eliminate the amount of money the court makes you = =20 > pay. > > --Robin > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. =20= > Stop by today. > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?=20 > = ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline____________________________________________=20= > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 3 23:44:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l943iarE002057 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:44:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l943iaN1021094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:44:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l940qbVJ037992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l940qaHB055044; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l93JK486064378 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:21:12 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02609F7D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <43433B31-70D0-4A19-85AD-4C89353DEFB0@bovil.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume photos Thread-Index: AcgF8bZ5eYauAFCNRw235T/+Q0KmjwAAMKyw From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2007 19:21:12.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F14F900:01C805F2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28cb1e4d-6df5-4bf5-9645-b86c642520fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470461A4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry Andy - brain fart.=20 Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos On Oct 3, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though =20 > - or > get permission first. Copywriting is what a copywriter does. Copyright is an intellectual property. Simply put, it's the right to =20 control reproduction and use of a work. That's why it's "right" and =20 not "write." Copywrite is, well, nothing. It's kind of like "irregardless." It's a =20 non-word substituted for a real one. If this is for non-profit educational use, it may fall under "fair =20 use." The University of Texas has an excellent "Crash Course in =20 Copyright" with an extensive section (that's understandable by the =20 hoi polloi, not just lawyers) on fair use. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 00:16:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l944GCAl003334 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:16:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l944GE7K019731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:16:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l944FDpq064594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l944FB6W050942; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l944F7Ks050798 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W9 ([65.55.136.44]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:15:02 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.94.94.252] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:15:02 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 04:15:02.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[22B07320:01C8063D] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4828fb6a-0e3c-4150-94fa-7b5d4b837a60 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4704690E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > But I'm not publishing the photos I copy. You keep using the > word publish. I was speaking about copyright law, not about you specifically; I didn't wa= nt the previous comment ("you only need permission if you're making money o= ff it") to stand without discussion, because the issue of money is so often= misunderstood. Whether you need permission does not depend on whether mone= y changes hands. In your case, you may well not need permission anyway, but= whether you're making money doesn't have anything to do with that. Copyright law focuses on publishing -- that is, creation and distribution o= f copies of creative work that someone owns. I didn't follow the beginning = of this thread closely, so I don't know what you're doing or whether the la= w applies to you. I am not a lawyer, but here's my understanding of some practical situations= I often see in my own work: If you take photos from the book, make slides, and show them to a class, yo= u're fine. Making slides to display for an educational presentation is well= within every interpretation of copyright law I've ever read. Note that I r= efer specifically to "educational presentation." If you are putting on a sh= ow for entertainment (even for free), you are no longer on firm ground. If you make handouts with copies of the images, you are on muddier ground, = because people can take the images home with them. If you make a CD and dis= tribute it to the students, even as a "textbook" of sorts, you're over the = line (regardless of whether they pay any money). These count as "publishing= ." If you put one of the pictures on a poster for a school event, you are over= the line, but probably no one will bother you about it. If you put a pictu= re into a newsletter or magazine, or onto a web page, you are over the line= and may very well be pursued over it. This is something I have experienced= from both sides! And when was I pursued? Not me, but the magazine I worked for. Our designer= created a cover design that used a "Superman" type treatment about "super = fund raisers" and a visual image of an office worker opening his shirt to r= eveal a dollar sign treated like Superman's "S." DC Comics saw one and made= us destroy every remaining copy. I don't remember if we had to pay money t= oo. Another, less disastrous example. In leafing through a trade magazine, I no= ticed an article on a magazine designer that included a photo of him in his= studio. Clearly visible on the wall of the studio was a piece of art showi= ng an illuminated alphabet -- a signed and numbered art print I recognized = because I own the same print myself. Amused, I sent a copy of the magazine = to the artist, who was a personal friend. He saw something I hadn't noticed= : The article itself used, as a decorative element, one of the illuminated = letters taken from the poster. The photo of the framed poster on the wall w= as fine. The lifting of the letter from the poster and its placement as an = art element in a published article was theft. My friend sent a thank-you no= te to me, and sent a modest bill for his graphic artwork to the magazine ed= itor. The bill was paid. I myself have had a copyright case in court, part of a group of a dozen wri= ters who did work for a company that declared bankruptcy before paying us. = As part of its bankruptcy proceedings, it sold its intellectual assets, inc= luding the work that we had written. We sued on grounds that they didn't ye= t own copyright to the work and thus couldn't legally sell it. We won. Havi= ng established our claim to the property (which we didn't really care about= , as the articles were made to suit a particular publication and weren't us= eful to us), our lawyer then negotiated a small settlement with the purchas= ing company to give up our claim. Pennies on the dollar compared to what we= would have gotten in pay for our work, but at least it was something. Closer to the point here: I use slides of artwork in my lectures, as many a= s 100 in a single lecture. Some come from books. Some come from the artwork= itself; of the latter, some of the photos were taken under explicit agreem= ents with the owning libraries/museums regarding how I would use the images= (e.g. research and teaching, but not publication or distribution). My use = is legal; if I disseminated the images, it would not be. When I have used i= mages in my published papers, I have paid for reproduction permission. Last time I did a lecture, I was almost at the end before I learned that so= meone in the audience had been using her cellphone to take a picture of eve= ry single one of my slides. (The room is dark when I show slides, so I didn= 't see her.) We had a serious talk. If one of those carefully negotiated ph= otos appears on a website, it could destroy my relationship with a museum. = >From now on, I will have to make an announcement that This Is Not Permitted= . This question never came up 10 years ago! --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook =96 together at last. =A0= Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=3DCL10062= 6971033= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 00:35:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l944ZVmp003926 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:35:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l944ZY7n008452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:35:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l944YWbF066883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:34:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l944YSAa067075; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l944YNGS066932 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2007100404341801400fs4ege>; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 04:34:18 +0000 Message-ID: <47046D62.4020408@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:34:42 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: **JUNK** RE: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aef497cb-edd8-4676-960b-59a0f0be06b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47046D96.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > And when was I pursued? Not me, but the magazine I worked for. Our designer created a cover design that used a "Superman" type treatment about "super fund raisers" and a visual image of an office worker opening his shirt to reveal a dollar sign treated like Superman's "S." DC Comics saw one and made us destroy every remaining copy. I don't remember if we had to pay money too. > That's trademark, an entirely different and much stranger subject. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 01:14:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l945Ej6W005409 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:14:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l945ElDe010606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:14:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l945EEip072664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l945E9TF003129; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:14:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l945E5Pe003062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.22] (dial-209-148-113-22.sonic.net [209.148.113.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l945E4Vp001156 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:14:04 -0700 Message-ID: <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:14:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c2d2fad-a314-4559-adcb-6f6a488efb9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470476C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: >>But I'm not publishing the photos I copy. You keep using the >>word publish. > > > I was speaking about copyright law, not about you specifically; I didn't want the previous comment ("you only need permission if you're making money off it") to stand without discussion, because the issue of money is so often misunderstood. Whether you need permission does not depend on whether money changes hands. In your case, you may well not need permission anyway, but whether you're making money doesn't have anything to do with that. > > Copyright law focuses on publishing Actually, copyright literally covers making copies, and does not only apply to distribution or sale of them. Scanning is copying. Photocopying is copying. Using a digital camera to capture a book is copying. This is why it's illegal to copy a copyrighted book to save yourself the price of buying it; you're publishing a one-off for yourself. Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes place within educational institutions, and not to an individual reading any book he or she may find informative (which after all applies to every nonfiction work). Fran Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 01:39:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l945dIpO006275 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:39:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l945dKUt031440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:39:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l945cPWL075163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l945cNin025003; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:38:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l945cJNM024870 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W18 ([65.55.136.53]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:38:14 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.94.94.252] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: **JUNK** RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:38:13 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47046D62.4020408@bovil.com> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <47046D62.4020408@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 05:38:14.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2033060:01C80648] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 334dea6a-0e69-42f6-99d9-2ecae6e0ef4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47047C88.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I wrote> > And when was I pursued? Not me, but the magazine I worked for. O= ur designer created a cover design that used a "Superman" type treatment ab= out "super fund raisers" and a visual image of an office worker opening his= shirt to reveal a dollar sign treated like Superman's "S." DC Comics saw o= ne and made us destroy every remaining copy. I don't remember if we had to = pay money too.> > That's trademark, an entirely different and much stranger= subject. Oops, yes, you're right. I was mentally meandering around examples of "righ= ts," and remembered the one time I worked at a publication that was hit for= a violation. Trademark, in this case, though I suppose if our designer had= actually taken the art off a comic book cover and used it in his design, c= opyright would have come into play too! =20 --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop = by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Oc= tWLtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 02:11:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946BOhe012041 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:11:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l946BLIB026181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l946AqL9078671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:10:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946ApTa054804; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946AlYL054677 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:10:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W8 ([65.55.136.43]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:10:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.94.94.252] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:10:41 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 06:10:42.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AFF8F90:01C8064D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c83e0be5-9165-4dc2-8e05-448c0406caf0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47048409.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran quoted me thus: >> Copyright law focuses on publishing ... cutting off my sentence midstream. Then she added: > Actually, copyright literally covers making copies, and does > not only apply to distribution or sale of them. However, if Fran had included the rest of my sentence, it would have been c= lear that I was saying the same thing, as my full sentence went on to defin= e "publishing" (for purposes of describing copyright) -- as the making of c= opies. My full sentence was this: "Copyright law focuses on publishing -- that is, creation and distribution = of copies of creative work that someone owns." Fran equated the terms herself later in her paragraph: > This is why it's illegal to copy a copyrighted book to save > yourself the price of buying it; you're publishing a one-off > for yourself. Yes: copying as publishing. The rest of my post should also have made it abundantly obvious I was not d= efining publishing here as requiring "sale." "Distribution" is fuzzier, and= I included it in that sentence in part because I didn't want to get sidetr= acked onto the issue of copying things for personal use. Note that I said "= focuses on," not "covers." Truth is, although the exact definition of copyr= ight is broader, copyright *cases* generally arise only when a copy goes be= yond the knowledge and use of a single person. Technically it is often a vi= olation to make a copy of something for personal use, but from a practical = standpoint, if no one hears the tree fall, it makes no sound. As far as I k= now, personal use wasn't the concern in the thread, so I concentrated on th= e practical issue that was under discussion. Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally resor= ted to Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when they're out o= f print or otherwise unavailable and I need to refer to them longer than IL= L will let me. In the one chance in a million that the copyright owners in = these cases wander into my private office and find the copies in my files, = I'll take my lumps. (Given the books in question, though, I suspect the aut= hors would more likely be amazed that would go to such lengths to get them.= ) Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens every day = in every university library and Kinko's. When, in writing a paper, I quote = from or cite a book that I don't own, I routinely copy the relevant pages, = so I can go back to the reference for context or fact-checking as needed. I= also copy the title page and copyright page of the book and staple them to= the copies of the individual pages. I consider that good scholarly practic= e, and I can't imagine anyone hauling me in for copyright violation for tha= t. > Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes place > within educational institutions, and not to an individual reading any > book he or she may find informative (which after all applies to every > nonfiction work). Which is why I was careful to refer specifically to "educational presentati= ons," not just "educational use," in my example. Which, again, I think was = relevant to the thread at hand. I'm not sure how the law would cover independent lectures that are characte= rized as classes but not within the walls of an institution. The SCA has ev= ents that are full of classes, and it has legal status as a 501(c)3 nonprof= it educational organization. A lawyer could make a good case that a class a= t an SCA "university" event is an educational presentation, but just Xeroxi= ng stuff for reference in making SCA costumes probably wouldn't fly. Many of my own slides are from books I don't own. I made the copies from li= brary copies, or in the rare book rooms of libraries, often using the libra= ry's own photo setup, with permission from the rare book librarian. (And ye= s, some "rare" books are still young enough to be under copyright.) They kn= ew I'd be using the slides for research and lectures. I've never run into a= nyone who questions whether this is appropriate educational use ... even th= ough I am not affiliated with and do not teach at an educational institutio= n. Copyright law, overall, is full of exceptions, loopholes, conflicting prece= dents, and argument. Some lines are clearer than others, though. I should also note that I generally agree with Fran on issues of copyright,= and I would encourage her to read my posts with a consideration of the con= text of the conversation. I have no desire or time to engage in an argument= over semantics, particularly as we are on the same side of the issue. I sh= ould also note that my goal in entering into this discussion is to provide = helpful guidance to list members who want to do the right thing, and I do n= ot intend to get into a protracted discussion about fine points of the law = that do not apply to the situation at hand. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook =96 together at last. =A0= Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=3DCL10062= 6971033= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 02:36:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946afnl023320 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l946ahtE005284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:36:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l946aESw080770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946aDlM076601; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946a9dB076525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.138] (dial-209-148-113-138.sonic.net [209.148.113.138]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l946a7cE013345 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:36:07 -0700 Message-ID: <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:36:08 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e5f5a31-88f7-4e5b-b516-9277471dcce8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470489FB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally resorted to > Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when they're out of print or otherwise > unavailable and I need to refer to them longer than ILL will let me. In the one chance in a > million that the copyright owners in these cases wander into my private office and find > the copies in my files, I'll take my lumps. (Given the books in question, though, I > suspect the authors would more likely be amazed that would go to such lengths to get them.) Ah: So you think anything you wish to do and that benefits you is ethical as long as you don’t get caught? I don’t leave my purse, or any other property, unattended around people with attitudes like that. > Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens every day in every university library and Kinko's. Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every day, somewhere, it’s OK for you to commit any of them? I don’t even want to be in the room with people who have ethics like that. Who knows what they’d feel OK about doing. Somehow, I manage to do research—-although there’s so much grandstanding, exaggeration, and sheer bullshit about “research” and “scholarship” in reenactment communities I try not to mention it much—-without violating copyrights. This is greatly facilitated by actually buying the books, and yes I also buy “rare” books. > I'm not sure how the law would cover independent lectures that are characterized as classes but not within the walls of an institution. Then since you’re giving such lectures, don’t you think you should find out for sure? There are also a number of other legal guidelines, including using only small portions of a work and a small number of works, having the need arise when there is not enough time to purchase the publications, and others. > Copyright law, overall, is full of exceptions, loopholes, conflicting precedents, and argument. Some lines are clearer than others, though. Not fully understanding it does not give you license to do whatever you’d like. > I should also note that I generally agree with Fran on issues of copyright, and I would encourage her to read my posts with a consideration of the context of the conversation. OK, so we’re using the third person now, not addressing each other. So: I don’t think from the above comments that Robin and I are in agreement about copyright law. I’d encourage Robin to read some books on it. Nolo Press has a good selection. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 02:55:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946tAJc029626 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:55:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l946tDfw016593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:55:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l946s2sh082910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946rxsT094129; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:53:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l946rthL093953 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:53:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W27 ([65.55.136.62]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:53:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.94.94.252] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:53:50 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 06:53:50.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[5202DA30:01C80653] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff5f491d-aa10-4b9d-b9fe-c08d4aaa9fa3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47048E51.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran quoted me: > Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally > resorted to Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when > they're out of print or otherwise unavailable and I need to refer to > them longer than ILL will let me. In the one chance in a million that > the copyright owners in these cases wander into my private office and > find the copies in my files, I'll take my lumps. (Given the books in > question, though, I suspect the authors would more likely be amazed > that would go to such lengths to get them.) And responded: > Ah: So you think anything you wish to do and that benefits you is > ethical as long as you don=92t get caught? Anyone who could take my extremely specific statement above and make the su= bsequent sweeping (and very much incorrect) inference is not worth engaging= in conversation.=20 --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!=A0 Play Star Shuffle:=A0 the word scramble = challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=3Dstarshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc= t= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 03:36:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l947agx8002707 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:36:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l947aih2019126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:36:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l947aDxA085995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l947aBRd031734; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from randymail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-207.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l947a7II031670 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from litlnemo@slumberland.seattle.wa.us) Received: from cupcake.slumberland.org (c66-235-6-229.sea2.cablespeed.com [66.235.6.229]) by randymail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5321EEDBE for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <470497E6.30906@slumberland.seattle.wa.us> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:36:06 -0700 From: Wendi Dunlap Organization: Slumberland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c47b45f7-8183-49ed-9f43-be499f3452c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4704980C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Closer to the point here: I use slides of artwork in my lectures, as > many as 100 in a single lecture. Some come from books. Some come from > the artwork itself; of the latter, some of the photos were taken > under explicit agreements with the owning libraries/museums regarding > how I would use the images (e.g. research and teaching, but not > publication or distribution). My use is legal; if I disseminated the > images, it would not be. When I have used images in my published > papers, I have paid for reproduction permission. On the other hand, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp. -- it's not so clear that museums can always restrict your use of the artwork they own. Of course, if you have made an agreement with them, it's ethical to honor it. But Bridgeman v. Corel indicates that such agreements aren't always necessary. Then again, if you want to maintain a good working relationship with the museums... *sigh* W -- *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 10:03:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94E36Zi011729 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:03:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94E37Wc017171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:03:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94E1lHx044197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94E1Vt5048152; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94E0l6v047199 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20071004140041m1100n02qse>; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:00:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0d7adf0b51bdc6bab96248fa491b0d31@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:00:40 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1bfc5ea-c01f-4d01-b943-6d100be1f908 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4704F29B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO So it sounds like I'm ok, since I work for an educational institution, huh? Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes > place within educational institutions, and not to an individual > reading any book he or she may find informative (which after all > applies to every nonfiction work). > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 10:32:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EWAr9002676 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:32:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94EW6lR006200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:32:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94EVZ6p048568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EVUWu085825; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EVR6q085637 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:32:40 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0260A12C@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume photos Thread-Index: AcgGTZh4TIa5Dlh9SMmq4tX+MiRavAARb8Mg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 14:32:40.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AC391A0:01C80693] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab273088-3614-4eaa-a823-a96900dcb2b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4704F966.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you all in bringing some clarification to this murky issue. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:11 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Fran quoted me thus: >> Copyright law focuses on publishing ... cutting off my sentence midstream. Then she added: > Actually, copyright literally covers making copies, and does > not only apply to distribution or sale of them. However, if Fran had included the rest of my sentence, it would have = been clear that I was saying the same thing, as my full sentence went on = to define "publishing" (for purposes of describing copyright) -- as the = making of copies. My full sentence was this: "Copyright law focuses on publishing -- that is, creation and = distribution of copies of creative work that someone owns." Fran equated the terms herself later in her paragraph: > This is why it's illegal to copy a copyrighted book to save > yourself the price of buying it; you're publishing a one-off > for yourself. Yes: copying as publishing. The rest of my post should also have made it abundantly obvious I was = not defining publishing here as requiring "sale." "Distribution" is = fuzzier, and I included it in that sentence in part because I didn't = want to get sidetracked onto the issue of copying things for personal = use. Note that I said "focuses on," not "covers." Truth is, although the = exact definition of copyright is broader, copyright *cases* generally = arise only when a copy goes beyond the knowledge and use of a single = person. Technically it is often a violation to make a copy of something = for personal use, but from a practical standpoint, if no one hears the = tree fall, it makes no sound. As far as I know, personal use wasn't the = concern in the thread, so I concentrated on the practical issue that was = under discussion. Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally = resorted to Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when = they're out of print or otherwise unavailable and I need to refer to = them longer than ILL will let me. In the one chance in a million that = the copyright owners in these cases wander into my private office and = find the copies in my files, I'll take my lumps. (Given the books in = question, though, I suspect the authors would more likely be amazed that = would go to such lengths to get them.) Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens every = day in every university library and Kinko's. When, in writing a paper, I = quote from or cite a book that I don't own, I routinely copy the = relevant pages, so I can go back to the reference for context or = fact-checking as needed. I also copy the title page and copyright page = of the book and staple them to the copies of the individual pages. I = consider that good scholarly practice, and I can't imagine anyone = hauling me in for copyright violation for that. > Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes = place > within educational institutions, and not to an individual reading any > book he or she may find informative (which after all applies to every > nonfiction work). Which is why I was careful to refer specifically to "educational = presentations," not just "educational use," in my example. Which, again, = I think was relevant to the thread at hand. I'm not sure how the law would cover independent lectures that are = characterized as classes but not within the walls of an institution. The = SCA has events that are full of classes, and it has legal status as a = 501(c)3 nonprofit educational organization. A lawyer could make a good = case that a class at an SCA "university" event is an educational = presentation, but just Xeroxing stuff for reference in making SCA = costumes probably wouldn't fly. Many of my own slides are from books I don't own. I made the copies from = library copies, or in the rare book rooms of libraries, often using the = library's own photo setup, with permission from the rare book librarian. = (And yes, some "rare" books are still young enough to be under = copyright.) They knew I'd be using the slides for research and lectures. = I've never run into anyone who questions whether this is appropriate = educational use ... even though I am not affiliated with and do not = teach at an educational institution. Copyright law, overall, is full of exceptions, loopholes, conflicting = precedents, and argument. Some lines are clearer than others, though. I should also note that I generally agree with Fran on issues of = copyright, and I would encourage her to read my posts with a = consideration of the context of the conversation. I have no desire or = time to engage in an argument over semantics, particularly as we are on = the same side of the issue. I should also note that my goal in entering = into this discussion is to provide helpful guidance to list members who = want to do the right thing, and I do not intend to get into a protracted = discussion about fine points of the law that do not apply to the = situation at hand. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook - together at last. = =A0Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=3DCL100= 626971033_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 10:35:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EZlg6002750 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:35:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94EZiws009738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:35:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94EZLiL049146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EZHPl090464; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EZCPx090249 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:36:31 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:36:30 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0260A12F@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume photos Thread-Index: AcgGUSOXXOvdPN+BQ2mmGvQpgkYuswAQrwwg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 14:36:31.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4B08F30:01C80693] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bfbb478-2197-443a-8d2d-4b010f4b91f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4704FA40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wow - that was harsh! Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Robin Netherton wrote: > Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally resorted to > Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when=20 they're out of print or otherwise > unavailable and I need to refer to=20 them longer than ILL will let me. In the one chance in a > million that=20 the copyright owners in these cases wander into my private office and=20 find > the copies in my files, I'll take my lumps. (Given the books in=20 question, though, I > suspect the authors would more likely be amazed=20 that would go to such lengths to get them.) Ah: So you think anything you wish to do and that benefits you is=20 ethical as long as you don't get caught? I don't leave my purse, or any other property, unattended around people=20 with attitudes like that. > Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens=20 every day in every university library and Kinko's. Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every day,=20 somewhere, it's OK for you to commit any of them? I don't even want to be in the room with people who have ethics like=20 that. Who knows what they'd feel OK about doing. Somehow, I manage to do research--although there's so much=20 grandstanding, exaggeration, and sheer bullshit about "research" and=20 "scholarship" in reenactment communities I try not to mention it=20 much--without violating copyrights. This is greatly facilitated by=20 actually buying the books, and yes I also buy "rare" books. > I'm not sure how the law would cover independent lectures that are=20 characterized as classes but not within the walls of an institution. Then since you're giving such lectures, don't you think you should find=20 out for sure? There are also a number of other legal guidelines, including using only=20 small portions of a work and a small number of works, having the need=20 arise when there is not enough time to purchase the publications, and=20 others. > Copyright law, overall, is full of exceptions, loopholes, conflicting precedents, and argument. Some lines are clearer than others, though. Not fully understanding it does not give you license to do whatever=20 you'd like. > I should also note that I generally agree with Fran on issues of=20 copyright, and I would encourage her to read my posts with a=20 consideration of the context of the conversation. OK, so we're using the third person now, not addressing each other. So: I don't think from the above comments that Robin and I are in agreement=20 about copyright law. I'd encourage Robin to read some books on it. Nolo=20 Press has a good selection. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 10:41:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Efase002886 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:41:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94EfWIX025798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94EewTd049991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EedTW097649; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EeWFe097439 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1447308970 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:40:27 -0500 Message-ID: <024b01c80694$881d30c0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: re [h-cost] cotton wool Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:40:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8826bff4-6fc4-46b5-bcb4-a9ae162abd91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4704FB9C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> Does anyone know where I can get Cotton Wool to stuff a period quilt?? >> If there is somewhere close to Norway that would even be better. >> sorry, I just re-read the original question -- I skipped over the "period quilt" part and was thinking you wanted raw cotton to stuff part of a costume. Plain, all-cotton quilt batts are available all over the internet. The first response to your question was more appropriate than mine. :) Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 10:44:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EiYqn002954 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:44:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94EiUMu016340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:44:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94EhxCl050405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EhWfC001817; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:43:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94EhCkG001200 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20071004144304m1300oga2be>; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:43:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0260A12F@lynx.campus.muc.prv> References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0260A12F@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <985cb39efdd4daf8da1ab0d5b488bd8f@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:43:03 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69a2cce5-b85b-4749-bffd-d934e03732dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4704FC4E.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I agree. Can we not try to insult one another and start flame wars? Sylrob On Oct 4, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Wow - that was harsh! > > Patty > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:36 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos > > > Robin Netherton wrote: > >> Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally > > resorted to > Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when > they're out of print or otherwise > unavailable and I need to refer to > them longer than ILL will let me. In the one chance in a > million that > the copyright owners in these cases wander into my private office and > find > the copies in my files, I'll take my lumps. (Given the books in > question, though, I > suspect the authors would more likely be amazed > that would go to such lengths to get them.) > > Ah: So you think anything you wish to do and that benefits you is > ethical as long as you don't get caught? > > I don't leave my purse, or any other property, unattended around people > with attitudes like that. > >> Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens > every day in every university library and Kinko's. > > Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every day, > somewhere, it's OK for you to commit any of them? > > I don't even want to be in the room with people who have ethics like > that. Who knows what they'd feel OK about doing. > > Somehow, I manage to do research--although there's so much > grandstanding, exaggeration, and sheer bullshit about "research" and > "scholarship" in reenactment communities I try not to mention it > much--without violating copyrights. This is greatly facilitated by > actually buying the books, and yes I also buy "rare" books. > >> I'm not sure how the law would cover independent lectures that are > characterized as classes but not within the walls of an institution. > > Then since you're giving such lectures, don't you think you should find > out for sure? > > There are also a number of other legal guidelines, including using only > small portions of a work and a small number of works, having the need > arise when there is not enough time to purchase the publications, and > others. > >> Copyright law, overall, is full of exceptions, loopholes, conflicting > > precedents, and argument. Some lines are clearer than others, though. > > Not fully understanding it does not give you license to do whatever > you'd like. > >> I should also note that I generally agree with Fran on issues of > copyright, and I would encourage her to read my posts with a > consideration of the context of the conversation. > > OK, so we're using the third person now, not addressing each other. > So: > > I don't think from the above comments that Robin and I are in agreement > about copyright law. I'd encourage Robin to read some books on it. Nolo > Press has a good selection. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 12:14:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94GE3bQ004887 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:14:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94GDxSV016980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:14:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94GCnKd067545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94GCZwk031484; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l94GCSCr031166 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 91421 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 16:12:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z7m4JkotLuJdzMn8m67SymrOIwATqKkh95Sdmx6pb2wEtN/bK0fTO2Wdt8DZ9hBLwzzyJnduEzw56d28KlolTOpN+zMOXtBD7rHthbnP0NLyFzEif6nmDdv+F5fHt0X43HcIkTveXvNfUOIBDht9mckTV3QmghuA4vgmIeMgkpE=; X-YMail-OSG: bWVJcJcVM1lN.EiprbhApfnXTbMF4y2kEqiQx4un6_rWsPs5Hl1Kshzn24PlBXxkeFU1mTsCKc.xNEXIVoFnibDHXZKr1_Zj342x.IVxS0T_Ztb2Da.1yGynMfLdgyZDtqSFXfOzRu9Srq9Pyt5kAw9NBbI06yvN Received: from [207.81.102.94] by web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:12:22 EDT Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] cotton wool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47044F6D.1010107@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <433812.91065.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 051df632-e62b-484c-a289-f49f29ec323d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47051147.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Download it now! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 12:51:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94GpDjQ005941 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:51:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94Gp32o009463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:51:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94GndZA077106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94GnXCS086307; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94GnMw0086035 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071004164917.ICKE1632.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:49:17 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id wGpF1X0073Dnkwc0000000; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:49:15 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] cotton wool Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:49:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01bb01c806a6$7d5d1850$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <433812.91065.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f9b536e-31c1-4d9c-93d8-ac0664a13089 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470519F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I got mine here: http://vandykes.resultspage.com/search?w=cotton+batting Homepage= www.vandykes.com If shipping to where you are is too much, I'd suggest contacting a local upholsterer to see if they can get it for you. HTH- ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Edith Reardon Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cotton wool I actually was looking for more of a Cotton fibrefill type something that is loose fibres. Thanks for trying Brin Kendall _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 13:40:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94HerWj007303 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:40:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94HelQx020279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:40:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94HdH5U084623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94HbETr046612; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [206.18.177.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94HZgds044130 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20071004173526b1400p8v7ae>; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:35:26 +0000 Message-ID: <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:35:49 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c70eca0-28a2-4e75-992f-67f1a57f9650 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4705259F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens > every day in every university library and Kinko's. > > Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every day, > somewhere, it’s OK for you to commit any of them? And we're back to the assumption of criminal intent and sniping. Fair use, people. Fair use. The general counsel of a major university system, writing in plain English for folks who aren't lawyers. It's directed at the faculty in his system. Of course, if you do want a more generic (and far more detailed) view, you can check out the Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center . They've got their own explanation of the Fair Use Test, but it's a bit more detailed: andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 13:48:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Hm9AV007518 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:48:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94HlmIT008122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:48:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94HlBob085979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Hl5lW059330; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:47:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94HkB7q058180 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6A310200480; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:45:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:46:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c806ae$78a059f0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgGPSVhaggU9DOTQlKtUUlGhiEXkAAcPMMw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56857cbc-82b4-488f-a1fb-9783467b25bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47052744.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What about using designs that are hundreds of years old, but are in a = "new" publication. I teach a blackwork class to 4-5 graders (no fee, just part = of the Fines Arts Block at my son's school)and copy images for them to use = on their samplers, as it is easier than tracing each one individually.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos > But I'm not publishing the photos I copy. You keep using the word=20 > publish. I was speaking about copyright law, not about you specifically; I didn't want the previous comment ("you only need permission if you're making = money off it") to stand without discussion, because the issue of money is so = often misunderstood. Whether you need permission does not depend on whether = money changes hands. In your case, you may well not need permission anyway, = but whether you're making money doesn't have anything to do with that. Copyright law focuses on publishing -- that is, creation and = distribution of copies of creative work that someone owns. I didn't follow the beginning = of this thread closely, so I don't know what you're doing or whether the = law applies to you. I am not a lawyer, but here's my understanding of some practical = situations I often see in my own work: If you take photos from the book, make slides, and show them to a class, you're fine. Making slides to display for an educational presentation is well within every interpretation of copyright law I've ever read. Note = that I refer specifically to "educational presentation." If you are putting = on a show for entertainment (even for free), you are no longer on firm = ground. If you make handouts with copies of the images, you are on muddier = ground, because people can take the images home with them. If you make a CD and distribute it to the students, even as a "textbook" of sorts, you're = over the line (regardless of whether they pay any money). These count as "publishing." If you put one of the pictures on a poster for a school event, you are = over the line, but probably no one will bother you about it. If you put a = picture into a newsletter or magazine, or onto a web page, you are over the line = and may very well be pursued over it. This is something I have experienced = from both sides! And when was I pursued? Not me, but the magazine I worked for. Our = designer created a cover design that used a "Superman" type treatment about = "super fund raisers" and a visual image of an office worker opening his shirt = to reveal a dollar sign treated like Superman's "S." DC Comics saw one and = made us destroy every remaining copy. I don't remember if we had to pay money too. Another, less disastrous example. In leafing through a trade magazine, I noticed an article on a magazine designer that included a photo of him = in his studio. Clearly visible on the wall of the studio was a piece of art showing an illuminated alphabet -- a signed and numbered art print I recognized because I own the same print myself. Amused, I sent a copy of = the magazine to the artist, who was a personal friend. He saw something I = hadn't noticed: The article itself used, as a decorative element, one of the illuminated letters taken from the poster. The photo of the framed = poster on the wall was fine. The lifting of the letter from the poster and its placement as an art element in a published article was theft. My friend = sent a thank-you note to me, and sent a modest bill for his graphic artwork = to the magazine editor. The bill was paid. I myself have had a copyright case in court, part of a group of a dozen writers who did work for a company that declared bankruptcy before = paying us. As part of its bankruptcy proceedings, it sold its intellectual = assets, including the work that we had written. We sued on grounds that they = didn't yet own copyright to the work and thus couldn't legally sell it. We won. Having established our claim to the property (which we didn't really = care about, as the articles were made to suit a particular publication and weren't useful to us), our lawyer then negotiated a small settlement = with the purchasing company to give up our claim. Pennies on the dollar = compared to what we would have gotten in pay for our work, but at least it was something. Closer to the point here: I use slides of artwork in my lectures, as = many as 100 in a single lecture. Some come from books. Some come from the = artwork itself; of the latter, some of the photos were taken under explicit agreements with the owning libraries/museums regarding how I would use = the images (e.g. research and teaching, but not publication or = distribution). My use is legal; if I disseminated the images, it would not be. When I have used images in my published papers, I have paid for reproduction = permission. Last time I did a lecture, I was almost at the end before I learned that someone in the audience had been using her cellphone to take a picture = of every single one of my slides. (The room is dark when I show slides, so = I didn't see her.) We had a serious talk. If one of those carefully = negotiated photos appears on a website, it could destroy my relationship with a = museum. >From now on, I will have to make an announcement that This Is Not Permitted. This question never came up 10 years ago! --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook =96 together at last. = =A0Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=3DCL100= 62697 1033_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 13:51:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94HpjhU007612 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:51:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94HpfhX002701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:51:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94HpCn5086814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94HoZL7064878; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:50:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94DbG0Z015432 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1447243163 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: <016301c8068b$b39fbc30$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <923482.44846.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cotton wool Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:37:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0495a5f0-5523-4f7f-8163-c00743c9c240 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4705282D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 13:54:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94HsrBG007683 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:54:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94HshUu018276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:54:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Hp4OK086741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94HW9R6039568; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:32:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l948IfGP072600 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.50438270; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:18:16 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l948IFY17122.; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:18:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:18:15 +0100 Message-Id: <4704AFCC02000014000DB50E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:18:04 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200710040736.l947aCIn031758@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710040736.l947aCIn031758@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Costume photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 6e9a1bfc-be4a-4c67-a3a7-953e2edb03fc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470528E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 14:07:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94I78Gd008058 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:07:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94I729T015324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:07:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94I6Lkp089143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94I4Xx4082693; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l94GpTf9088993 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48764 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 16:51:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5hHmRudSMx/x4awL9NgiRH8WJZFrxR7bFaNjTQWzOHu45tefe8OfbxlsxZEShrJo19nCiCOveY3BDTaLM6TWhI47na1XYNlckCwx3gBuPX9OR93mWgbi/295C7AHbwuyBrn3YXFKwFJUITSXVJvTWb3mZAtfPGsHWIW3G6hLfNM=; X-YMail-OSG: VtRBhzkVM1nvcrqTFClz0rmb.P3TmOJgA0dLqhyZdpJnVln1ks2uSAzfK1thByyV1DSWGZKPUfY5wniWsuM_1rAyECgxCpd7RAUJ Received: from [66.14.198.240] by web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:51:23 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: Re: re [h-cost] cotton wool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <024b01c80694$881d30c0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <171272.46808.qm@web63706.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: 71204ea4-fe1b-48a6-bdb6-b4cae0b627f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47052BC6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There is a product for just such ocassions sold by Joann Fabrics called Warm and Natural or Warm 'n Natural..it is unbleached cotton batting expressly for 100%natural quilting . Iyou might try to see if they also sell it on line at joanns.com hope this helps... Bambi Land of Oz wrote: >> Does anyone know where I can get Cotton Wool to stuff a period quilt?? >> If there is somewhere close to Norway that would even be better. >> sorry, I just re-read the original question -- I skipped over the "period quilt" part and was thinking you wanted raw cotton to stuff part of a costume. Plain, all-cotton quilt batts are available all over the internet. The first response to your question was more appropriate than mine. :) Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 14:26:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IQe3Z008644 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:26:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94IQbnn029915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:26:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94IQ7VY092711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IPkIT012033; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94H8JCB010131 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A50104F8B for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:07:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47051DF7.3080208@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:08:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cotton wool References: <01bb01c806a6$7d5d1850$6501a8c0@VMAA1> In-Reply-To: <01bb01c806a6$7d5d1850$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 0ba0a395-da56-4a78-95eb-c268ce163b2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4705305D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You can buy raw cotton by the bale here: http://www.cottonman.com/ Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 14:27:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IRoFU008688 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:27:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94IRiRl030878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:27:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94IRIV9092986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IR4Bx014150; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l94HFXbN018813 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:15:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 99306 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 17:14:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=C8w5NOSnHgqDNnJb/NdYvEfAbCybZXXuhZIWq9KC7FzivIMmgDJaT3dEBAoFrLdTu57LXqm+EjDQzE7xK0xvKrAXcffd6Hxr5Yt9xatqf4D6qaqZDC9jPAZE2fZ96av4gaBM8dbcfmM5erBnpBaghVFpi9K7guiDXcDzdCQVg5w=; X-YMail-OSG: 5vlATF4VM1nSEPUj58xfaxpBuQrm8n8tX_yIxX9JkOC_R.TZyiSW9ZDoMj6nZz9.2Uk95OtnYVhC2q3kfqIcWZVWSTQz53coSbaLyptqmSdv1jqmn_k- Received: from [70.103.216.134] by web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:14:48 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs Subject: Re: [h-cost] cotton wool To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <433812.91065.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <374493.99049.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: de616353-9cb7-4d9c-8d3d-ef5a79771405 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470530A0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not sure what you mean by "loose fibers". 100% cotton or wool batting will have a much different appearance in a quilt than will the poly stuff. Cotton and wool batting should be available at your local quilt store. If you want "raw" cotton, see if there is a yarn shop in your area that sells unwashed cotton - I have one near me. Cactus Edith Reardon wrote: I actually was looking for more of a Cotton fibrefill type something that is loose fibres. Thanks for trying Brin Kendall Dawn wrote: Edith Reardon wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get Cotton Wool to stuff a period quilt?? If there is somewhere close to Norway that would even be better. > Warm & Natural is a very good quality cotton quilt batting, which you might be able to order off the internet. Their website lists some online sources: http://www.warmcompany.com/wnpage.html It's not quite the same as raw cotton which was used in the 1800's, but it is a very good quality modern product. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume test'; "> --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 14:36:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IaRYT008940 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:36:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94IaNX3017830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94IZsIP094773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IYomH025360; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:35:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IYM3k024844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:34:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94IYJbQ028802 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:34:21 -0700 Message-ID: <4705322C.7020803@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:34:20 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3419bee9-be44-46bd-b3ec-e30ca202ed79 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470532A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > >>Ah: So you think anything you wish to do and that benefits you is >>ethical as long as you don’t get caught? > > > Anyone who could take my extremely specific statement above and make the subsequent sweeping (and very much incorrect) inference is not worth engaging in conversation. > > --Robin It's not a broad and sweeping statement. What you seem to have said, in terms of one branch of ethics and law, is that whether a person obeys it depends on whether it is convenient and economical for them to do so, and whether they think the value of any research they may be doing automatically overrides the author's legal and moral rights. Note, I have not attributed this to _your_ actions regarding copyright, but it seems to be a stance you approve, or that you are urging other people to approve. As it's one of the standard copyright pirate arguments, it is not a stance that I can approve. And not regarding you, but people in general, no, I don't trust my personal property with anyone who says they feel it's OK to steal intellectual property. Of course, I did quit opening my personal library to people many years ago when I found out that one of them walked out with one of my books under her cape because she "couldn't afford it," then bragged to other people about doing so. As for engaging me in conversation, you have already taken the absurd stance of talking about my statements "behind my back" as it were, to a group where you know very well I am present. So it seems that even though you are engaging me in conversation, you will not admit to condescending to do so. I have no idea why you can't say whatever you have to say clearly and directly. However, your obfuscating your statements with "it's just for other people's education," and "copyright is all so unclear and hard to understand anyway," does not make it easier for me to understand what you mean. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 14:44:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IisGR009285 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:44:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94IioPw011344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:44:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Ihfjk095918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IhXS5037012; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:43:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IhOib036605 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W4 ([65.55.136.39]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:43:15 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.94.94.252] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:43:14 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4704AFCC02000014000DB50E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> References: <200710040736.l947aCIn031758@net.indra.com> <4704AFCC02000014000DB50E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 18:43:15.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C4E8980:01C806B6] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e6ffc34-e001-42c3-9274-7bf019d2dd44 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470534A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >From Kate: > Robin wrote: >> Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that >> happens every day in every university library and Kinko's. > > and Fran replied > >> Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every >> day somewhere, it's OK for you to commit any of them? Kate adds: > I don't know what Kinko's is, but in a university library > copying of a section of a book (1 chapter or 5%) for private > study is perfectly legal. Yes, exactly. In my post, I was attempting to draw a contrast between this = sort of legal fair-use copying of small bits -- routine and unremarkable --= vs. the question of copying whole books, as discussed in the preceding par= agraph of my post. It appears I didn't draw the distinction clearly enough = to be understood by all, and I appreciate you and Andrew making my point cl= earer. The example I gave here was my (perfectly legal) practice of copying a page= or two here and there (along with the title page and publishing info of th= e book) so I have an accurate record of material I am citing or quoting in = a scholarly article. I learned to do this when I realized how hard it was t= o read my own handwriting in notes that were many years old, or found that = I needed to check something like a city of publication to put in a footnote= . I sometimes do this even with books I own so I have all the quotations fo= r a given article in the same file. Plus I can happily run a highlighter ov= er text on a Xerox! Kinko's, by the way, is an American chain of copy centers. That is, they we= re plain-old copy centers when they started sprouting up on college campuse= s a couple of decades ago. Now they also offer Fedex shipping, office suppl= ies, and a bewildering array of printing/fax/computer services. They're ope= n 24 hours and I have spent many a late night there. I once assembled an an= niversary-gift scrapbook there at 3am using their nice selection of acid-fr= ee decorative papers and their good paper cutter. I figure the only thing t= hey're missing now is a coffee bar. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Boo!=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare= ! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=3Dwl_hotma= ilnews= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:03:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94J3OHm009942 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:03:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94J3K3m008917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:03:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94J2hGx002358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:02:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94J2bfk065538; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94J2Lfu065236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:02:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94J2DBo020967 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:02:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f11d0c9-bf93-42ba-a221-b370043de3eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470538F8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Fair use, people. Fair use. > > > The general counsel of a major university system, writing in plain > English for folks who aren't lawyers. It's directed at the faculty in > his system. > > Of course, if you do want a more generic (and far more detailed) view, > you can check out the Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center > . They've got their own explanation of the > Fair Use Test, but it's a bit more detailed: > > The problem is that many people want to take _one_ criteria, such as "I'm not making any money from it" or "I work for an educational institution" and assume that everything they want to do with material they want to use is fair use. There are actually a variety of criteria they must meet. Also, even, some people wave around the term "fair use," as if to say, "Well it exists, so whatever I'm doing must be fair use." Not so. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:19:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JJdut010546 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:19:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JJZrw003597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:19:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JJ39V005039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JGiVn083619; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l94JFoNU082089 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 62336 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 19:15:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 85XlrbIVM1mBt0a9P4SM.dkw.UxdQOB.pP68GA99pa16RW9opaAJu79ExRbW5jSsgGtuEOFfiw-- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:15:23 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:15:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <588733.60022.qm@web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c933fc6f-f037-47f7-9f9f-b33b84e658d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47053CC7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think everyone gets your point. Too bad the point couldn't have been made in a manner which was a bit less off-putting. Lavolta Press wrote: The problem is that many people want to take _one_ criteria, such as "I'm not making any money from it" or "I work for an educational institution" and assume that everything they want to do with material they want to use is fair use. There are actually a variety of criteria they must meet. Also, even, some people wave around the term "fair use," as if to say, "Well it exists, so whatever I'm doing must be fair use." Not so. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:19:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JJwmt010559 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:19:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JJb1I003267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:19:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JJ4BW005040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JGJPt083157; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JF6hx081316 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so284012wri for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:14:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=D5a7MkoSynkXSMzbk8NBt/PGMX6y/jYOYZ7CBJZjJlk=; b=cgqoXd+Yw+uQzOyXzqK6YhmAlPoWZKPLY7OF/otSLpqTBYnO7bQ7mSEWgOW0ThORDPbvEcGL4QFu0LCKtPamZZdFlbMUftZCZIIcntxKlDda8KdJMOnjscHyJTuNwEfEqLpQBlPqjXVGhZz3Om3lDkQTbxlGUxKwzpTpz2/ceUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=d541jKN5DHmotnN12eMQSlpUoWgPFiKdtMLzCUlQkCYYWw8th3JZJWUV8041lRzcJtQiydI8FIL0UwePKakI+WLfCiUdKHh+/ByD5mynX7XzyayC8fPXpza0OrznXxkogcM8vxNfR/PuJFswBd/PVyrZBpiqzReFhl6TZoQRKpE= Received: by 10.142.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr1049818wfg.1191525288943; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:14:48 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1eea26d7-726f-4678-8eae-192c2617a948 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47053CC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? Please? What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:24:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JObxQ010701 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:24:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JOXZZ007924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:24:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JOEVC006063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:24:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JO9b4093738; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:24:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JNlMQ093195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:23:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94JNgEQ024243 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:23:43 -0700 Message-ID: <47053DC0.9060101@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:23:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos--to Sylvia References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <0d7adf0b51bdc6bab96248fa491b0d31@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <0d7adf0b51bdc6bab96248fa491b0d31@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d67947e-50b6-4248-9aae-f4df0e377fe5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47053DF2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually, instead of posting on a costuming list, what I'd recommend you to do is this: Go to the head of your department. Ask, "What are the departmental and/or university copyright guidelines for my use of this kind of material, in this manner, in my lectures? Please give me a copy of printed guidelines. And if we don't have any, the university lawyers should develop some. I want to do the right thing ethically, and other instructors probably do too. We need the proper official and legal guidance to help us." Because, the university _should_ have such guidelines. The thing is: When someone is sued, it is quite usual to name everyone possible in the suit, but especially, the parties with deep pockets. The university probably has deeper pockets as a business/organization, than you do as an individual. So if you're an employee, both you and they are likely to be sued if someone objects to any copyrights of theirs that you violate. Thus the university has a strong vested interest in helping you do the right thing. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that you are not a university employee, but someone giving workshops for an organization like the SCA. I am here going by what I know of California law, which may differ in other states. Under California law, an employer does not have the same responsibilities for an independent contractor that they do for an employee. And if someone is named in a suit, and they are a peripheral party, they do not necessarily have to stay in it; their lawyers devise arguments as to why they should be allowed to withdraw, placing the entire burden of the suit on the other party(ies) named. In other words, in California at least, an employer sued along with an independent contractor can cut themselves loose from the suit, placing the entire burden on the contractor. (After some argument on the part of the employer's lawyers in the many letters, hearings, etc. that occur before the suit actually comes to trial, which can easily take about a year.) If an employer or organization who is faced with spending a lot of time and money defending themselves for a violation of law committed by an independent contractor of his or own free will, can get out of the situation by placing the entire legal burden on the contractor, they are likely to do so. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > So it sounds like I'm ok, since I work for an educational institution, huh? > > Sylrog > On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes >> place within educational institutions, and not to an individual >> reading any book he or she may find informative (which after all >> applies to every nonfiction work). >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:26:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JQ6T2010754 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:26:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JQ2iS028827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:26:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JPZuk006365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JPLIV095659; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l94JOnw1094666 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 17199 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 19:24:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YmInvyQVM1mbrI3EMUWvmFeVVqrD.Aioy0QIal.36j628LVxz4SxyujrYgowAckh1Fg4JmDwug-- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:24:41 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <399926.15616.qm@web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: a500ef91-7bb3-4689-96b1-d76ed07550d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47053E4A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:31:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JVkF3010980 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:31:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JVghY012206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:31:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JVEH9007405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JUsDB003917; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JUeaw003519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:30:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94JURfI027865 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:30:28 -0700 Message-ID: <47053F55.6080609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:30:29 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ad8f008-24e0-498a-84be-65a9713b65c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47053F9E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Do you have a delete key or email filters, by any chance? Fran Cin wrote: > I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any > chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? > Please? > What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:34:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JY99S011061 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:34:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JY5a7012823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:34:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JXf4V008102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:33:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JXbIh008082; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JXVLE007812 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D077F104FEC for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:33:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:33:39 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69b911a1-8f8d-4d1e-9d6b-5d348a39f3cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4705402D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cin wrote: > Please? > What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? There's no room in my sewing room for such a thing.... but projects in process include: * "goth-y" gypsy skirt for a client I ran out of black cotton for this and need to go shopping this weekend. Fortunately Joann's is having a 50% coupon sale, so I will just buy a whole bolt. * early 16th century Italian market woman dress for me I got it cut and assembled, and am sewing on 1" wide silk trim strips as my arthritis permits the hand sewing. I might actually finish before the end of renfest. * early 18th century men's 'pirate' coat for my husband The wool is cut, but the linen lining is not ready. I still need to pick small applique flowers off several more yards before it is ready to use. It cost me $2 a yard, because of that small inconvenience. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:36:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Jak4U011137 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:36:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JacCh019209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:36:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Ja35n008500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JZw6E011587; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JZoLu011392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94JZnKZ030732 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:35:50 -0700 Message-ID: <47054097.2080906@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:35:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Costume photos References: <200710040736.l947aCIn031758@net.indra.com> <4704AFCC02000014000DB50E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4704AFCC02000014000DB50E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4cbf33ba-8c3b-4783-96fa-5cffd6b45e89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470540C6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran > I don't know what Kinko's is, but in a university library copying of a section > of a book (1 chapter or 5%) for private study is perfectly legal. > > Kate Bunting > Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian > University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:41:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JfXOw011281 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:41:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JfTKd008048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:41:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Jf6WY009531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Jf3uC018890; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JewU6018636 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kstormy@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.11.105]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:40:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:40:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.11.123 by by123fd.bay123.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:40:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.202.16.167] X-Originating-Email: [kstormy@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kstormy@hotmail.com From: "Kathy Stormberg" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:40:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 19:40:54.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A16DA10:01C806BE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is wearing wool for winter X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a5f089f-8880-47df-b4f7-129e659765bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470541E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My dressmaker's dummy is graced with a navy blue wool dress with a round red neckline and (future) red cuffs, seams in progress of finishing with dark green wool herringbone stitch on outside. It is a semi-fitted gored tunic type dress. Future embroidery in Medici wool for collar, cuffs and hemline. Original styling of dress loosely based on dresses in Codex Manesse, embroidery to be German influenced but I'm not trying for period perfect. According to the proprietor of the store where I buy Medici wool, it has been discontinued by the manufacturer (DMC). This is a shame as it is much finer than anything else I have seen in wool. Anyone know of a good substitution for the day when I use up all my stash? -Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:43:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JhI8V011390 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:43:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JhBkI009057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:43:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JgknG009714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Jgfbg021111; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:42:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Jgaj0020922 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so243124nfd for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=bdHrg+4GILuCS8/5g9tosZPctfjgdp4KCAva4NzRR6o=; b=BnvwC6JKAfziNglX7urp2B37LaIfwJddWYrbtYlkfv/DI4LOqepvDsXN8ROov+O+aTTYA+3CplbY6LO5ZlJAiKq4qT/M3y162K9NNXiYrE6mof6xvyfSzi03BNP2Bd6FWMPa4ZqAVSdGgsXRikP0vM7S1aY3+Zb4GkTMK98ET+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=a4At/SZcTCruFsljMkeNuRAbRtuMP8VN1KWQK4qnMQvMyufyQHmM6NXDL/Dp+mQ4uMqlIKCYmKvUtKO6EkQoIF7tWWiaqe9JJKFve1AzgCzx6+57UQPNGYWYwQ0vFoudiecS1kqKL/Zil6VSHOTJCYW5G641V678PIpgJtveEOM= Received: by 10.78.159.7 with SMTP id h7mr8265731hue.1191526952296; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.51.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm71078wrl.2007.10.04.12.42.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:42:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:42:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgGu5GDiFjqrE9cQ4KnIlJhoUck/gAAq18w Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47054227.270c360a.7495.1109@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1143bb31-1fa6-45bf-9f18-ca84a6505642 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4705424F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:46:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JkIPc011513 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:46:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JkDXU019727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:46:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JjSl5010235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JjR2o025052; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JjMCW024835 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94JjDoU011499 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:45:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc4b27ab-0b8e-4626-bc0b-100b21f533d5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47054305.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 4, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Fair use, people. Fair use. >> >> The general counsel of a major university system, writing in plain >> English for folks who aren't lawyers. It's directed at the faculty >> in his system. >> Of course, if you do want a more generic (and far more detailed) >> view, you can check out the Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center >> . They've got their own explanation >> of the Fair Use Test, but it's a bit more detailed: >> > chapter9/9-b.html> > > > The problem is that many people want to take _one_ criteria, such > as "I'm not making any money from it" or "I work for an educational > institution" and assume that everything they want to do with > material they want to use is fair use. There are actually a variety > of criteria they must meet. Also, even, some people wave around > the term "fair use," as if to say, "Well it exists, so whatever I'm > doing must be fair use." Not so. And yet you argue against generalizations with more generalizations. Sylvia was describing (although I look to her to verify this) copying individual photographs from sources of historical fashion for class presentation and/or course packs. At first glance, that qualifies as fair use. Let's run through the tests (I'll use the UT version, it's easier to understand) to confirm: FACTOR 1: What is the character of the use? It's educational, a high-ranking use under this test. It may also be non-profit (another high-ranking use), but I don't know anything about the institution or organization for which she's teaching this class. FACTOR 2: What is the nature of the work to be used? It's probably "fact" (the material in the images isn't likely to be original to the copyright holder on the work and may, itself, be in the public domain even if the photograph itself isn't) and it's published. High-ranking classifications under this test FACTOR 3: How much of the work will you use? A small amount, if you're qualifying the book as the work and not the photo (which is the norm). Since #1 and #2 already point towards fair use, even if it was claimed that the photo was the work, it may be justifiable as fair use. FACTOR 4: If this kind of use were widespread, what effect would it have on the market for the original or for permissions? "After evaluation of the first three factors, the proposed use is tipping towards fair use" So it looks like Sylvia is in the clear at a basic level. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 15:56:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JuqWM011915 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:56:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94Jumve025398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:56:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JuGJN012133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JuEsE040297; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from c-spam-01.awin.com (c-spam-01.awin.com [204.13.216.10]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Ju7Vj039797 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:56:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tori.Ruhl@awin.com) Received: from AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com (unverified [10.200.20.102]) by c-spam-01.awin.com (TMA SMTPRS 4.4.568.30) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:58:41 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 10.200.20.102=OK;Tori.Ruhl@awin.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 10.200.20.102=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 10.200.20.102=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from INET3-MTA by AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:55:42 -0700 Message-Id: <4704E2BA0200005E0002DB1C@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:55:22 -0700 From: "Tori Ruhl" To: References: <200710041928.l94JS9Lf099703@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710041928.l94JS9Lf099703@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 464 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13b38b6f-0d52-4f36-881a-e10296b3ab86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47054580.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Mine's nekkid....*gasp* I'm working on a doublet for my husband but I can't put in on my ladies = form....the girly bits get in the way.=20 What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:09:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94K8xx6012378 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:08:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94K8tju030166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:08:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94K7IB8014815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94K6gmQ055447; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94K6V1o055082 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1550.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.17]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786263427DA for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47054874.5010600@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:09:24 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is halloween stuff References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1747e9f-3e7c-49e3-a336-3cb9bb19438b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47054857.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My dummy is wearing an absolutely ugly synthetic cheap black Halloween cape for my husband. We bought it from Smiffys along with some other fun Halloween stuff. He is going to be lord Dracula and I will be Corpse Bride. I am having so much fun thinking of how I am going to decorate the house. Planning on hanging plastic in front of the living room door as in some scary movies. Maybe some "blood" smears on them. In the front garden there will be a cross with some graveyard candles and a morgue sign. One of the kitchen doors will be open but will have red and white tape in front of it and a sign keep out and than a silhouette on the kitchen floor like at a crime seen.... Green lemonade with floating eyeballs in them.... I hope so that some of the guest will be in fun costumes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:17:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KHdHW012650 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:17:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KHZYw004772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:17:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KFjIN016545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KFfap068131; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KFadQ067802 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VYrBBXG4pMG+5BmrnjJTtE7gYHWF2IJb4IdoL7h5FgXF+i/8PuqviDXnqeanBAu8; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.251.41] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IdX6X-0003Ju-RB for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:15:30 -0400 Message-ID: <00e101c806c3$6fb10280$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is wearing wool for winter Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:16:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48324ea4279c14a612b881c5fe4779264892764449e275203c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.251.41 X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3cbb9e7e-09c0-4d58-886f-b010255da9d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47054A5F.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My dummy is currently naked, because the pink and black flamenco dress is finally done and delivered to the customer. It's a gorgeous dress, with a black taffeta bodice embroidered with shaded pink flowering vines, and the ruffled sleeves and skirt ruffles done in alternating light and dark pink. I'm supposed to get pictures soon. Next on the list is either an early 17th cen. French gown, or an early Tudor gown, depending on which customer gets me the fabric first. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:27:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KRc4S012927 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:27:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KRYdc026770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94JRBeX006635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JR6v1098165; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JQvbm097823 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071004192651.PYDN20306.fep31.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:26:51 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.137]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071004192651.JPL7439.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:26:51 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c806bc$89eedc50$89e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:26:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.63.231.137] at Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:26:49 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26aacd4a-ee80-4ac8-9ef7-dd2030e86ad1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47054CB6.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I second this, Its so sad we have to have that disgussion so manny times! My dummie is empty, but soon its going to wear a polonaise jacket wich i plan to embroider. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any > chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? > Please? > What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:29:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KT5SU012975 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:29:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KSuFd015332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:29:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KSW14018691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KSUYt085528; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KSGhf085091 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:29:33 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C806C5.45D36089" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Thread-Index: AcgGvbwXETxl0azhRPSC00e43B3NYQAB2hJY References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 20:29:33.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[45E7EB10:01C806C5] X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78e0ff66-b3ba-456e-8bed-62fbc06a0fda X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47054D08.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C5.45D36089 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 ________________________________ The wool is cut, but the linen lining is not ready. I still need to pick small applique flowers off several more yards before it is ready to use. It cost me $2 a yard, because of that small inconvenience. Dawn =20 =20 Duh, I never thought of doing that.=20 =20 Thanks, Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C5.45D36089 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C5.45D36089-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:30:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KUB4x013025 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:30:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KU5VX030984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KR9c8018500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:27:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KR49Q083594; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KQxPH083335 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:28:12 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C806C5.15A64CBB" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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Thread-Index: AcgGvWkakYVx6866SFqwW18z+UArTgAB3/OT References: <47053F55.6080609@lavoltapress.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 20:28:12.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[15CDEC40:01C806C5] X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1f157a1-57db-4b75-97a7-09ce651354b2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47054D4D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C5.15A64CBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Fran,=20 =20 Is there something else going on in your life right now? I don't recall = your being so caustic before. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Lavolta Press Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 3:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Do you have a delete key or email filters, by any chance? Fran Cin wrote: > I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any > chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? > Please? > What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C5.15A64CBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C5.15A64CBB-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:33:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KXPMH013138 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:33:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KXL9j015797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:33:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KVV8R019134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KVSCZ089633; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KVKsU089484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94KVIpk003279 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:31:19 -0700 Message-ID: <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:31:19 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65c997a1-4211-41e2-990d-a3d4ff066a50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47054E11.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > And yet you argue against generalizations with more generalizations. OK. Here I am with Richard Stim's _Getting Permission: How to License & Clear Copyrighted Materials Online & Off," which I strongly recommend, along with Stephem Fishman's _The Copyright Handbook." And dutifully paraphrasing what they say in a way that does not violate their copyrights. In an earlier message, I mentioned guidelines for educational use, in addition to the use being merely made by an instructor within an educational institution. There is a specific set of educational fair use guidelines recognized by the US Copyright Office and in the courts as minimum standards. They are laid out in full in Circular 29, and according to Stim, are provided on the US Copyright Office website. I touched on them briefly earlier. Some points particularly relevant to this discussion: * The guidelines do apply to presentation of research findings at noncommercial educational workshops, lectures, etc., as well as within universities and other nonprofit, formal educational institutions. (However, I'd say that not all teaching is presentation of "research findings" or anything at all new.) * The general idea seems to be to limit copying to only certain rather small quantities of a work, and to a certain rather small quantity of copying for the class as a whole. * They include guidelines for the amount of text used, and let's skip that for this discussion; please refer to Stim's book or to Circular 29. For illustrations, the guidelines are "One chart, graph, diagram, drawing, cartoon, or picture per book or per periodical issue." Also, "ony nine instances of such copying for one course during one school term are permitted." Also, the use has to be spontaneous; the instructor must have thought of it too late to ask for permission. The guidelines do not permit the copying of material from textbooks, workbooks, etc. created for educational use, as this would usurp the profits of educational publishers. * The bottom line is that the copying is not to be a substitute for having the students purchase the work(s). Because digitizing materials is a fairly new technology, there are several sets of PROPOSED guidelines for using digitized materials for educational purposes, none of which have the force of law nor even, as far as I can tell, well-established use in court cases. But, that doesn't mean that no one will sue anyone over use of digitized works. > FACTOR 3: How much of the work will you use? > A small amount, if you're qualifying the book as the work and not the > photo (which is the norm). Since #1 and #2 already point towards fair > use, even if it was claimed that the photo was the work, it may be > justifiable as fair use. As far as copyright law goes, a book is not one huge block. Different elements have different copyrights. Especially, it is less defensible to copy and use something that is complete in itself: One pattern, one poem, the set of instructions for one project. As for pictures, not only are they usually complete in themselves, bear in mind that under US law (I understand that the laws of some foreign countries are different, but do not know the details for each country) photographs of paintings and other works of art have their own copyrights, indepedent of the copyright status of the work of art itself. Suppose a Renaissance painting is in an American museum, and the museum photographs it. They can, and often do, charge for the use of that photo. If a different photographer photographs it someday, that photo has its own, different copyright. Museums often charge for use of such photos in books, etc. It's one way they get some revenue. In a book with photos of paintings from many museums, the author or publisher (who does the work and pays for the permissions depends on the publishing contract for that book) may have gone to a great deal of effort and paid a fair amount of money to get permission for each and every photo to be used in that book. That permission does not automatically extend to everyone else who wants to use the photo. If the author, or an ilustrator hired by the author or publisher, has redrawn details of things like garment parts in the original works of art, for greater clarity, than those drawings have their own, modern copyrights. > > FACTOR 4: If this kind of use were widespread, what effect would it > have on the market for the original or for permissions? It can have a great deal of effect. Bear in mind that the copyright owner has a much better grasp of the effect on sales than the copyright violator, and the copyright owner can present that evidence in court. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:36:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KadUT013242 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:36:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KaZkU010031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:36:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KaD2r020069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Ka8G3096150; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Iamaf027438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94Iagt9006819 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: <470532BB.9020808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:36:43 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <0d7adf0b51bdc6bab96248fa491b0d31@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <0d7adf0b51bdc6bab96248fa491b0d31@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 7f4b1ba6-f4ea-4323-8a5a-03d4c846a4b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47054ED4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > So it sounds like I'm ok, since I work for an educational institution, huh? > > Sylrog > On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes >> place within educational institutions, and not to an individual >> reading any book he or she may find informative (which after all >> applies to every nonfiction work). >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:38:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Kc5Ql013280 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:38:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94Kc1uH018686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:38:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KbaRG020325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KbYak098161; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IjHYR039426 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071004184510.FGQJ26806.fep32.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:45:10 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.137]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071004184510.VDVX11710.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:45:10 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c806b6$b1e72830$89e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:45:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.137] at Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:45:03 +0200 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] cotton wool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 497feb5b-096d-464a-9660-240559d13fe8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47054F29.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:38:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KcUuL013288 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:38:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KcQNG023677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Kalww020152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KaiT7097007; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Kadoj096776 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:37:58 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C806C6.72FF966B" Subject: RE: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is halloween stuff Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:33:54 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is halloween stuff Thread-Index: AcgGwplZ6lwVehmuRCqjMCSPiSo3RQAA0gnJ References: <47054874.5010600@kabelfoon.nl> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 20:37:58.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[731E3570:01C806C6] X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d838c5d4-c9ec-4dac-8111-66c2b82a37ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47054F42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C6.72FF966B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oooh - don't forget the "pass the scary objects" game. Blindfolded - = pass spaghetti (cooked), cooked (canned) plums, etc. with suitably lurid = descriptions.=20 =20 BTW, my dummy is wearing her little cloth cover with two riding jackets = (on hangers) hanging off the top. (I haven't been riding for an age, = either). =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Deredere Galbraith Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 4:09 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is halloween stuff My dummy is wearing an absolutely ugly synthetic cheap black Halloween cape for my husband. We bought it from Smiffys along with some other fun Halloween stuff. He is going to be lord Dracula and I will be Corpse Bride. I am having so much fun thinking of how I am going to decorate the = house. Planning on hanging plastic in front of the living room door as in some scary movies. Maybe some "blood" smears on them. In the front garden there will be a cross with some graveyard candles and a morgue sign. One of the kitchen doors will be open but will have red and white tape in front of it and a sign keep out and than a silhouette on the kitchen floor like at a crime seen.... Green lemonade with floating eyeballs in them.... I hope so that some of the guest will be in fun costumes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C6.72FF966B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C6.72FF966B-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:40:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KeFrS013331 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:40:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KeBiQ003384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:40:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KcbRi020485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KcZYK099672; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:38:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94IsA4A052524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:54:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94Is8SN016474 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:54:09 -0700 Message-ID: <470536D1.2050906@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:54:09 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <000601c806ae$78a059f0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <000601c806ae$78a059f0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 66029870-6d93-4109-96ff-2d69ac71ad61 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47054FAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sharon Collier wrote: > What about using designs that are hundreds of years old, but are in a "new" > publication. I teach a blackwork class to 4-5 graders (no fee, just part of > the Fines Arts Block at my son's school)and copy images for them to use on > their samplers, as it is easier than tracing each one individually. This depends on whether the new publication is a reprint or not. A reprint is material that is published exactly as is. No editing. No redrawing of illustrations. No selection and organization of materials for an anthology; or a selection and organization that is so obvious as to require no originality. For example, every single poem by Robert Burns ever published, reprinted exactly as first published in the exact order of first publication, is a reprint. If the poems are chosen by arbitrary criteria such as "best poems," and/or organized by arbitrary criteria such as "nature poems," "love poems," "Scottish poems," etc., then this is a new anthology covered by modern copyright, and copying significant portions of it is a copyright violation. All new material added is covered by modern copyright, such as an introduction, footnotes, glossary, index, and/or appendices; and even, often, the page design and layout. All modern translations from foreign languages are covered by copyright, just as if they had originally been written today in English. If you have an exact reprint of a 16th-century blackwork manual (or the 16th-century blackwork manual itself), yes, you can freely copy the images. If you are using someone else's redrawings or rechartings of the 16th-century manual, you are violating their copyright, whether the students are given the material to trace or whether you photocopy it for them. Legally, they should be told to buy the textbook. It is also legal for you to take the original 16th-century manual or an EXACT reprint (no editing, recharting, etc.), redraw/rechart the images yourself, and hand that work out to your students. But you have to go back to the original. You can't ride on someone else's previous work. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:40:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Kerdl013356 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:40:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KenBf025323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:40:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KeB3I020773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KeBCP002048; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JRF47098238 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=EXUHRHQeyfLQeSAZGV2A0aLnPRcCaSCd88Y/CcXUi4m4mQl+0uEBJosREXtvs+4o; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IdW4D-0004rg-Aw for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:09:01 -0400 Received: from 64.202.83.62 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: <13687685.1191524941208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Costume photos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a46680801f0a9b9d3ffd58105121fd8b6f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: e94a3ccc-83cb-4bda-95c4-ba0bab022cc2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47054FD1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO But you'll have a very hard time getting ANY published material copied at K= inko's. Ten years or so ago they were the subject of a big copyright-violat= ion suit because they were helping/encouraging faculty to "make their own t= extbooks" with photocopied materials, and neither the faculty nor Kinko's p= ursued the necessary permissions. Since then, Kinko's has been DEFINITELY "= once burned, twice shy" with copying. Some years ago I wanted to make littl= e thank-you cards for my TWELFTH NIGHT cast, and since we had danced a lavo= lta as our curtain call I wanted to put "Queen Elizabeth I Dancing with Rob= ert Dudley, Earl of Leicester" on the front of the card. For that I needed = (lacking a color scanner and a color printer at home) a color photocopy of = the painting....and the counterperson at Kinko's WOULD NOT PERMIT me to mak= e a tiny copy for this innocuous purpose. Even UNpublished material: My tru= elove had to photocopy the rough draft of a repair manual he was writing, t= o ship it to the company he was writing it for--and that Kinko's counterper= son, seeing technical drawings bearing the company's name, refused to copy = it for him without a written release from the company. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer p.s. Office Max obliged both times.... -----Original Message----- >From: Robin Netherton >Sent: Oct 4, 2007 2:43 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Costume photos > > >>From Kate: > >> Robin wrote: > >>> Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that >>> happens every day in every university library and Kinko's. >> >> and Fran replied >> >>> Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every >>> day somewhere, it's OK for you to commit any of them? > >Kate adds: .... >Kinko's, by the way, is an American chain of copy centers. That is, they w= ere plain-old copy centers when they started sprouting up on college campus= es a couple of decades ago. Now they also offer Fedex shipping, office supp= lies, and a bewildering array of printing/fax/computer services. They're op= en 24 hours and I have spent many a late night there. I once assembled an a= nniversary-gift scrapbook there at 3am using their nice selection of acid-f= ree decorative papers and their good paper cutter. I figure the only thing = they're missing now is a coffee bar. > >--Robin > >_________________________________________________________________ >Boo!=C2=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live One= Care! >http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=3Dwl_hotm= ailnews_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:41:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Kf5oi013365 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:41:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94Kf2fb020970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KdhhO020642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Kdckb001189; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KdVFP001004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94KdSOn032550 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:39:29 -0700 Message-ID: <47054F82.6000703@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:39:30 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? References: <47053F55.6080609@lavoltapress.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D6@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D6@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1691067d-0358-4b09-b9cf-91827a2a5eec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47054FDE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Since you ask, what is going on in my life is that I'm finishing up the biggest and in many ways, the hardest book project I've ever done. I spend all day every day staring at a computer monitor. No juicy gossip or room for speculation there, I'm afraid. Nor am I being especially caustic. I've never made any secret of the fact that I'm not people-oriented, and I think it would be ridiculous to guide my life by what people think of me. I'm much more interested in ideas. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Rickard, Patty wrote: > Hello Fran, > > Is there something else going on in your life right now? don't recall your being so caustic before. > > Patty > > ________________________________ > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Lavolta Press > Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 3:30 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > > > > Do you have a delete key or email filters, by any chance? > > Fran > > Cin wrote: > > >>I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any >>chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? >>Please? >>What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? >>--cin >>Cynthia Barnes >>CinBarnes@gmail.com >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:42:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KgNcm013404 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:42:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KgJvS023663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Kg17F021101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KfvVh004321; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94JRxBi099397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94JRto4026462 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:27:56 -0700 Message-ID: <47053EBD.7010501@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:27:57 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <588733.60022.qm@web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <588733.60022.qm@web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-WEiAPG-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 09fe6269-17bd-4bb6-873a-9a569a032689 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4705502C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Too bad the point couldn't have been made in a manner which was a bit less off-putting. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:43:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Khg2E013434 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:43:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94Khctl024501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:43:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KhAeo021296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Kh6jp005922; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Jj6DN024600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94Jj5FA003526 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: <470542C2.8090809@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:45:06 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Costume photos References: <200710040736.l947aCIn031758@net.indra.com> <4704AFCC02000014000DB50E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-WEiAPG-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 718f42af-937a-4212-83f6-40bb42ba0b5b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4705507A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Yes, exactly. In my post, I was attempting to draw a contrast between > this sort of legal fair-use copying of small bits -- routine and > unremarkable -- vs. the question of copying whole books, as discussed > in the preceding paragraph of my post. It appears I didn't draw the distinction clearly enough to be understood by all, and I appreciate you and Andrew making my point clearer. Robin, I’m glad you have cleared up this point. Your message implied that you thought it was OK to copy a whole book as long as you thought it was "rare enough." But please, there is no reason why you can't address emails meant for my eyes directly to me in the future. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 16:51:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KpoKS013701 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:51:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94KpiPS012143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:51:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94KnmY8022873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94KnjXe015375; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Kne20015144 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:50:53 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C806C8.40EC2CEB" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:47:30 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7DB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7DB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Thread-Index: AcgGxxY8CWUx8TtTQkWoyRjjf0k5WgAALGT7 References: <47053F55.6080609@lavoltapress.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D6@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47054F82.6000703@lavoltapress.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 20:50:53.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[411525F0:01C806C8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89c41267-469c-45a8-af7e-8e99fcd33d8b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47055260.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C8.40EC2CEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations on being close to the end of your project and stretching = yourself to do it (only an assumption, based on your saying it was your = hardest project).=20 =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Lavolta Press Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 4:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Since you ask, what is going on in my life is that I'm finishing up the biggest and in many ways, the hardest book project I've ever done. I spend all day every day staring at a computer monitor. No juicy gossip or room for speculation there, I'm afraid. Nor am I being especially caustic. I've never made any secret of the fact that I'm not people-oriented, and I think it would be ridiculous to guide my life by what people think of me. I'm much more interested in ideas. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com =20 Rickard, Patty wrote: > Hello Fran, >=20 > Is there something else going on in your life right now? don't recall your being so caustic before. >=20 > Patty > > ________________________________ > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Lavolta Press > Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 3:30 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > > > > Do you have a delete key or email filters, by any chance? > > Fran > > Cin wrote: > > >>I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any >>chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? >>Please? >>What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? >>--cin >>Cynthia Barnes >>CinBarnes@gmail.com >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C8.40EC2CEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806C8.40EC2CEB-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 17:03:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94L3Jvv014057 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:03:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94L3Bcs020240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:03:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94L1ONo025601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94L1Hc5031513; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94L1AS9031393 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so464897ugd for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:01:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=2FToxFaKkpC/kABa82b1Tzl3TfXouBMIYNokkf84+6A=; b=T0WN+UmnAMCGpRtMA5RQpyWyr8OBlqgIyrm+ERW3A+7bsqJVwhyTx0CR1lHXRmDFyaZV9eK+nsXRS15n6TcMHSoSXuDFKIoZEu1en4JYmRg/PwcxUZSPvGV5cUhGlmxbqw9j1vznogw6v+Tlfpv2BtJ1+OzvdVAeCrTlkw1Uxg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=gLDV1Od2fhv1dO8Q7EfLKm2maE/6POjQV3IVkaHUlDk1Nuiatf6DOCz1K4IA9kdcvpQOuQ1OGqUTUOLpr6Qzwffs35TUIDmDMc1vVZZzlmmnxVua/t0+u2t5GIXkiW8B6ue4xsdlgRkWz3tiEKSeKL7ZxX7vXN8OJ+6tPy7cO7o= Received: by 10.78.146.11 with SMTP id t11mr8224822hud.1191531669831; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheBeast ( [141.154.164.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 44sm365252wri.2007.10.04.14.01.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000b01c806c9$afc2c6f0$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <399926.15616.qm@web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:01:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d14a6291-afa2-4dc6-9413-dbc2eef0d6b6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4705550F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Needing to make a new one...in the shape of my GFD. hehehehe Starr > Currently two gothic fitted dresses. One long sleeved underdress and a > short sleeved overdress which is awaiting tippets. :) > > Cin wrote: I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & > copyrights discussions. Any > chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? > Please? > What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 17:35:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LZvxN015061 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:35:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LZrcg005686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94LTbTE030196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:29:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LTaTS069028; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:29:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LTVNT068931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:29:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94L9gB3018004 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:09:53 -0700 Message-ID: <47055695.7020001@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:09:41 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? References: <47053F55.6080609@lavoltapress.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D6@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47054F82.6000703@lavoltapress.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7DB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7DB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6fad3fd-5518-4c44-87dd-359e38d14e43 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47055CBA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Best, Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 17:39:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LdY2o015155 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:39:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LdUGX032062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:39:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Ld89Q031570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Ld8iC081620; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LcvoS081323 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LcqoU015412 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <632A0B79-4EAB-4C8E-9D7C-21E6FA44FAFC@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:38:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8db7ebd-0eb1-42a5-9f8a-11cc55a43ff2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47055D92.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> FACTOR 4: If this kind of use were widespread, what effect would >> it have on the market for the original or for permissions? > > It can have a great deal of effect. Bear in mind that the > copyright owner has a much better grasp of the effect on sales than > the copyright violator, and the copyright owner can present that > evidence in court. I stated at the beginning that I was using the UT test as an example. Go back and read . Then come back with answers again, or with citations explaining how the analysis of their general counsel (who is trying to give their faculty as much freedom as possible while avoiding litigation) is incorrect. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 17:39:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LdbWX015158 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:39:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LdTeE011530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:39:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94LcWGB031505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LcSoU080781; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LcONE080583 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ED510504D for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:38:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:38:31 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Rickard, Patty wrote: > The wool is cut, but the linen lining is not ready. I still need to pick > small applique flowers off several more yards before it is ready to use. > It cost me $2 a yard, because of that small inconvenience. > > > Duh, I never thought of doing that. > The trick is in recognizing what can be picked off. In this case, the flowers are sewn on through their centers with machine stitching, onto a machine stitched X on the fabric. So they come off rather easily with a seam ripper and some patience. Another piece of delicious purple linen I bought has the flowers glued on with hot glue. They come off easily with a steam iron, but leave glue blobs behind. I bought it anyway and made a cute, modern style cropped jacket, with butterfly brocade to go with the flowers. There's a lot of embroidered linen out there that either has so many motifs, or glued applique, that it probably isn't worth bothering with. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 17:44:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Lis13015321 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:44:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LioOk032069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:44:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94LiWHS032217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LiP1X088344; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LiGnB088009 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49161] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id D0/48-10204-6E355074 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:58:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200710041928.l94JS9Le099703@net.indra.com> References: <200710041928.l94JS9Le099703@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:43:58 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc73f083-80b5-4d91-b42a-7a92ae9116f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47055ED2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well I don't own one, yet...but my sewing table has a pair of stays almost done, Cloth piled up to make 17th/18th cent skirts and the muslin staring at me to do the mock ups for a set of 17th men's breeches/pants/whatever Once the stay's are done it's a toss up as to what gets cut out next... Ta Carol--still dithering over which dressmaker's dummy to get...being a weird, large inbetween shape, and the duct tape one has melted... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 17:46:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LkOFW015377 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:46:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LkKgD004483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:46:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Ljwpj032565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Ljsm9090438; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LjkvE090136 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d0e.13cc1a90 (60473) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m03.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM032-ec3947055ef71b7; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:45:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> References: <47054874.5010600@kabelfoon.nl> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is halloween stuff Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:45:25 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99d0e37e-087e-463c-8251-9957101ed8aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47055F2C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Patty, What type of riding jackets? Pictures, please? I trail ride my Paso Fino, Oscar. We also do some sidesaddle riding.=20 That's a reason I am on this list - to learn about correct riding=20 clothing for various Time Periods. Susan (NJ) "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Oct 4, 2007, at 4:33 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Oooh - don't forget the "pass the scary objects" game. Blindfolded -=20 > pass spaghetti (cooked), cooked (canned) plums, etc. with suitably=20 > lurid descriptions. > > BTW, my dummy is wearing her little cloth cover with two riding=20 > jackets (on hangers) hanging off the top. (I haven't been riding for=20 > an age, either). > > Patty > > ________________________________ > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Deredere Galbraith > Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 4:09 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is halloween stuff > > > > My dummy is wearing an absolutely ugly synthetic cheap black Halloween > cape for my husband. > We bought it from Smiffys along with some other fun Halloween stuff. > He is going to be lord Dracula and I will be Corpse Bride. > I am having so much fun thinking of how I am going to decorate the=20 > house. > Planning on hanging plastic in front of the living room door as in some > scary movies. > Maybe some "blood" smears on them. > In the front garden there will be a cross with some graveyard candles > and a morgue sign. > One of the kitchen doors will be open but will have red and white tape > in front of it and a sign keep out and than a silhouette on the kitchen > floor like at a crime seen.... > Green lemonade with floating eyeballs in them.... > > I hope so that some of the guest will be in fun costumes. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 17:48:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LmZis015436 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:48:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LmWfH024949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:48:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94LlDJS032835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Ll8gV092189; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:47:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Ll0iZ091866 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LkroU019647 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: "repurposed" fabric... Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:46:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 689825b8-d1c6-4d57-b15c-e270fc8b0afe X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47055FB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Dawn wrote: > There's a lot of embroidered linen out there that either has so > many motifs, or glued applique, that it probably isn't worth > bothering with. If it's not bulky embellishment, it may still be good as lining or interlining. I've got some ugly olive-drab linen with an uglier umber- ish basketweave embroidery pattern on it. Got it dirt cheap. I've got enough to line quite a few garments... andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 17:52:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LqaJC015566 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:52:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94LqXcH003954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:52:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94LpG8s033435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LpDSd097223; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Lp8Bs097008 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49164] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id 90/08-12244-24065074 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:50:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200710042031.l94KVYGL089758@net.indra.com> References: <200710042031.l94KVYGL089758@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:50:51 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: what's on the Dressmaker's Dummy? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1eb60d3a-234e-444e-9c26-c26c713c6abd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470560A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 2:31 PM -0600 10/4/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >The wool is cut, but the linen lining is not ready. I still need to pick >small applique flowers off several more yards before it is ready to use. >It cost me $2 a yard, because of that small inconvenience. Here here--it took me a month of TV watching to get the 2 bolts 'cleand' that I scored for $1!!!!!!! a yard on the biig clearance a bit ago...but the linen is very nice, esp at the price...Floor looked silly with all the flowers piling up as each secession went on. I still find one that drifted away from the herd... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 18:07:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94M7OEo015999 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:07:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94M7KRe003026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:07:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94M6xNQ035125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94M6t0w017106; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:06:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94M6qPp016983 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so61720ana for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:06:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=hRxd0hmMp8h5zZ5gmhfTnrKM+dmL+9Vos/yFodtgJVA=; b=ciOO+F2GAUrhlNlDr/fFRZm/nu81CbnaWXtF1K9xQ9EXaJbkd2/ieinqaNtYeEwDrB2j+p5tw0KZ28P2C7Yu4NS2KQG1PBwXhyDM6QtwAI7rLFzzkq3+QeU37RKZsT3tHJjh2DypZqw93C3b/4oTDuXNREphPeWN8Nay5nIy0a4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GoCZiJfb+Ja/zd9DhdQ10Tf4b0yLV67v0fD4PCf0U0RdL+Rpdz+Ws2vQtx+R+zCBN6ywIX+JEjuBsIaEU2IozCTKtanLtrvDAr/V979ZIbCLO76IlhcwBwaHhnZYkatuJiwMVZpLoirlW7Fd/jbX90LP6q+5dXk9UVIBdRLvk3M= Received: by 10.142.49.4 with SMTP id w4mr1357775wfw.1191535608191; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:06:48 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83cf272e-e4f4-4197-8d7d-336c0a33d81f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47056418.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >From: "Chiara Francesca" >Heh ... Mardi Gras beads and a cat toy ... don't ask. I dont think I can top that. Euphrosnia is wearing a 1470s houppeland in beige silk brocaded taffeta, the collar & cuffs are dark chocolate brown velvet. It needs sleeves, closures & a hem. Adonis is, all Adonises should be, nekkid as a jaybird with a womans 1890s chip straw hat embellished with ostrich feathers, orange taffeta ribbon & roses. The heads: Anne, Catherine & Charles are wearing: * Clara Eugenia's hat from the de Llano portrait. * A kiss me quick bonnet c1840s trimmed with parrot feathers. * A small butterfly hennin of gold silk shot with brass threads (which one might call cloth of brass). The brass wires to support the veil are too short & flimsy. This hat needs a bit of reworking. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 18:18:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MItGC016362 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:18:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94MIn6o001506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:18:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94MIKTS037311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:18:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MHW1C030785; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MHLhL030328 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c02.219723df (52326) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD038-cc664705665a37a; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:16:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:16:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2702950d-3cbb-4350-8563-44a28043be03 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470566C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO 1880s skirt with a blouse that I am hoping to fit into, soon! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Oct 4, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Cin wrote: >> From: "Chiara Francesca" >> Heh ... Mardi Gras beads and a cat toy ... don't ask. > > I dont think I can top that. > > Euphrosnia is wearing a 1470s houppeland in beige silk brocaded > taffeta, the collar & cuffs are dark chocolate brown velvet. It needs > sleeves, closures & a hem. > Adonis is, all Adonises should be, nekkid as a jaybird with a womans > 1890s chip straw hat embellished with ostrich feathers, orange taffeta > ribbon & roses. > > The heads: > Anne, Catherine & Charles are wearing: > * Clara Eugenia's hat from the de Llano portrait. > * A kiss me quick bonnet c1840s trimmed with parrot feathers. > * A small butterfly hennin of gold silk shot with brass threads (which > one might call cloth of brass). The brass wires to support the veil > are too short & flimsy. This hat needs a bit of reworking. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 18:30:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MUpel016743 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:30:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94MUlOw019087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:30:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94MUSMC038976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MUPt4046905; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MULXf046662 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94MUEoU004657 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4705608F.3070208@lavoltapress.com> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> <632A0B79-4EAB-4C8E-9D7C-21E6FA44FAFC@bovil.com> <4705608F.3070208@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:30:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c37f4deb-0fc3-4e67-ac1b-a8918974e23a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47056997.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > I'm sorry, but the UT test is not the only available information on > copyright. I am not obligated to consider it so. Why do you not > instead read circular 29, or Richard Stim's _Getting Permission_? Because I brought the analysis to the table, I said that it was the foundation of my example, and you're taking the lazy way out by not arguing on the points and positions. And I can't read US Copyright Office Circular 29. Go to and you'll see it doesn't exist (I'm assuming this is an "anymore" situation, and it's been withdrawn). There is factsheet 102 that provides an incredibly bare-bones analysis of Fair Use and references Section 107 of the Copyright act (sections 107-118 limit a copyright holder's rights). andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 18:40:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MeMcc017027 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:40:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94MeIPb032099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:40:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94MdntX040683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MdgP2058441; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MdR4n058108 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94MdQoU007106 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <92D6A44E-06E7-4F9E-8E77-4E49ED53CCCE@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Andrew T Trembley Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:39:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Licensed art images for educational institutions... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fe8b822-ff30-4adc-b142-d863438d4b80 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47056BD2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you're working for for a school or university that is a subscriber, check out ARTstor. Alas, my employer isn't a participant. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 18:58:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Mwi0d017595 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:58:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94MweDk005365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:58:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Mvedt043242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:57:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MvaaU081214; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94MvVLZ081013 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W5 ([64.4.19.105]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:57:26 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.49.58.29] From: Paula Praxis To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:57:25 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 22:57:26.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[EED02F30:01C806D9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca1c228e-d3d7-432d-9a06-0ea29002d623 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47057020.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was kinda feeling the same but I realize that valid points were made all = around. =20 Pricilla is wearing a mock-up of a runway - fashionn show - gown for "Aida"= . Penny is wearing the beginning stages of 'Amneris's wedding gown and poor= Petula is once again in a man's costume - some sort of slave atire. I love this thread and am always inspired and amazed at the varity of thing= s you all are making. Paula> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:14:48 -0700> From: cinbarnes@gmail.com> To:= h-costume@indra.com> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy= wearing?> > I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussion= s. Any> chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic?> Please?> Wh= at's your dressmakers dummy wearing?> --cin> Cynthia Barnes> CinBarnes@gmai= l.com> _______________________________________________> h-costume mailing l= ist> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-cos= tume _________________________________________________________________ Boo!=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare= ! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=3Dwl_hotma= ilnews= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:06:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94N68GC017812 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:06:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94N64aw032429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:06:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94N5eK5044352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94N5d05090341; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94N5ZNR090273 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:05:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3569C1734F6 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:05:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-185.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-185.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.185]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:05:36 +1000 Message-ID: <1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:05:36 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: "repurposed" fabric...repurposing in the 1940s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9deb66d-333d-41c9-a7f3-a18b678b16fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470571DC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Still the best book in my collection of sewing and fashion books is the 1940s home dressmakers' book by Pocket Books. This little dynamo of 100-odd pages from a time when a Pocket Book would still fit in a pocket shows a dozen different stitches, odd techniques, clever cheats, and gives descriptions that are superior to any I have read elsewhere. The highlight of the book, really, is how to make new things from old such as the chapter on how to turn your husband's old suit into a stylish new outfit for you. It demonstrates how to dis-assemble the suit and lay a new pattern over the old pieces and really is a very clever thing. My only qualm would be the kind of sentence that must have rung out across the world in 1946: "Darling, I am home from 6 long years in the military and I just cannot wait to get out of this uniform and into my good old..." -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:06:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94N6VGS017822 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:06:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94N6Rov008920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:06:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94N6DDw044451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:06:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94N6C2c090952; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94N67N9090850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.61] (dial-209-148-114-61.sonic.net [209.148.114.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94N65sJ015865 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: <470571DF.6040302@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:06:07 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> <632A0B79-4EAB-4C8E-9D7C-21E6FA44FAFC@bovil.com> <4705608F.3070208@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 850ac91a-6b47-4246-9365-ed889291b4dc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470571F3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > Because I brought the analysis to the table, I said that it was the > foundation of my example, and you're taking the lazy way out by not > arguing on the points and positions. Nope. It's quite as reasonable for me to run you around and waste your time--or rather, act as an e-list troll--and insist that unless you write little essays on the books that I assign YOU to read that you are taking the "easy way out," as for you to try that game on me. I've been a publishing professional, I've dealt with copyright professionally for over 23 years, and in my brother, I have a lawyer to consult close at hand. I don't need to "prove myself" to you. So, my first assignment for YOU is for YOU to go buy Richard Stim's _Getting Permissions: How to License & Clear Copyrighted Materials Online & Off._ It's readily available on the Nolo Press website, on Amazon.com, and probably in libraries. It contains an extensive discussion of this issue. I'm also assigning you to read Stephen Fishman's _The Copyright Handbook_ and his _The Public Domain: How to Find & Use Copyright-Free Writings, Music, Art & More_, available from the same sources. I need a a 5 to- 10 page, double-spaced essay on fair use of materials in nonprofit educational settings, based on these three works, which I expect you to have read thoroughly and objectively. It's due on Sunday. Unless you prove yourself to me in this fashion, you're taking the "easy way out." After all, I'm setting the rules of the game. Enjoy! Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:22:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NMm2t018284 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:22:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NMiqw008201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:22:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NMG6M046899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:22:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NMFCK009583; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NMCNb009422 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071004232208.ECCG431.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:22:08 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id wPN61X0023Dnkwc0000000; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:22:06 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:22:01 -0400 Message-ID: <01e601c806dd$5e622ad0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fd3d9a3-b9b3-4fbf-ae53-47c54a817d9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470575C4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you! Hmmm... I just finished up my part in a WW1 dress for a friend. She took it home this afternoon to hem and put the buttons on, to be ready to wear this weekend. Next up is a couple of sets of Viking pants and tunics. After that I need to finally get around to doing a simple Colonial set for me. That project has been put on hold for too many years- and I'm missing out on events because I don't have proper kit. Grr. And I just started weaving lessons. That'll keep me busy for a while! ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Cin Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? Please? What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:28:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NS2Ap018402 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:28:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NRuCd031208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:28:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NRXPm047466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:27:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NRVnC015176; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l94NRQTV015007 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 38380 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2007 23:27:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lw9Ck_MVM1nVYXXWnZdU6nuM7QIwwi_YfuGzlJ4MYw5gnJJNYlhtv0dxZmxFAN8jX5x.lDEoEA-- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:27:21 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <470571DF.6040302@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <622185.37217.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7130c3da-1c74-409a-9d48-9b2ff16e83af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470576FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Lavolta Press wrote: > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:30:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NUQ8B018455 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:30:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NUIbO021170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:30:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NTqpQ047792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NTpZk017699; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NTljp017604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.61] (dial-209-148-114-61.sonic.net [209.148.114.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94NTjpD032297 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:29:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4705776B.7090408@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:29:47 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <622185.37217.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <622185.37217.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdcf65dc-92bc-4ad4-a5ca-ba1576b1ccd7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4705778A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you want the discussion to end, don't post on it. Fran Beteena Paradise wrote: > For F---'s sake, can't you take this to email? Or just let it go already? This is really getting ridiculous. And please do not tell me to create a filter because, if I am not mistaken, the email group is called "Historic Costume" not "My copyright book is bigger than your copyright book" or "I need to express my opinion until the beaten horse is not only dead but pulverized until there are no discernable lumps left except for those on the foreheads of everyone else on this list from banging their friggin heads against the desk." > > > Lavolta Press wrote: > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:33:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NXKNE018525 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:33:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NXGKD001741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:33:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NW4YS048086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NW3kB020257; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NW0KS020064 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:32:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NVsoU020027 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <470571DF.6040302@lavoltapress.com> References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> <632A0B79-4EAB-4C8E-9D7C-21E6FA44FAFC@bovil.com> <4705608F.3070208@lavoltapress.com> <470571DF.6040302@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D830A31-DB88-465A-95DA-4611F24AE94E@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:31:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b33f4af0-edc0-49e8-9553-81e446878b18 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4705783C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 4, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: >> Because I brought the analysis to the table, I said that it was >> the foundation of my example, and you're taking the lazy way out >> by not arguing on the points and positions. > > Nope. It's quite as reasonable for me to run you around and waste > your time--or rather, act as an e-list troll--and insist that > unless you write little essays on the books that I assign YOU to > read that you are taking the "easy way out," as for you to try that > game on me. I've been a publishing professional, I've dealt with > copyright professionally for over 23 years, and in my brother, I > have a lawyer to consult close at hand. I don't need to "prove > myself" to you. I work for a university. We participated in the CSU-SUNY-CUNY Work Group on Ownership, Legal Rights of Use and Fair Use. I listen to our general counsel, who continues to update the work group's "Fair Use of Copyrighted Works: A Crucial Element in Educating America." I chose the UT website because it provides a more detailed explanation of the fair use test, but it's exactly the same fair use test that our general counsel provides to faculty . andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:39:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NdY0M018663 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:39:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NdTtf016257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:39:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94Ncsan048904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NcqDo027120; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NcmBP027070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.61] (dial-209-148-114-61.sonic.net [209.148.114.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94NckH1004972 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:38:47 -0700 Message-ID: <47057988.5080506@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:38:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> <632A0B79-4EAB-4C8E-9D7C-21E6FA44FAFC@bovil.com> <4705608F.3070208@lavoltapress.com> <470571DF.6040302@lavoltapress.com> <1D830A31-DB88-465A-95DA-4611F24AE94E@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <1D830A31-DB88-465A-95DA-4611F24AE94E@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88606130-7e5a-4763-ad14-0635daeb6ff4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470579B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Regardless, someone who plays a game where they insist _they_ are setting all the rules for a public discussion, and offers no contribution except references to a website they did not write, and then insists that a specific person who does not write essays on the subject at their command using only the reference they happened to have pointed to: Is a troll. Perhaps some other list member would like to oblige you: After all, this is not a private discussion. I have better things to do. Fran > > I work for a university. We participated in the CSU-SUNY-CUNY Work > Group on Ownership, Legal Rights of Use > and Fair Use. I listen to our general counsel, who continues to update > the work group's "Fair Use > of Copyrighted Works: A Crucial Element in Educating America." I chose > the UT website because it provides a more detailed explanation of the > fair use test, but it's exactly the same fair use test that our general > counsel provides to faculty > . > > andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:43:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NhKEU018766 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:43:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NhGSe027817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:43:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NguAc049243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NgsGX031055; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:42:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Ngnwc030975 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (202-78-152-208.cable.telstraclear.net [202.78.152.208]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JPE00H14V7BTA20@smtp3.clear.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:42:47 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:43:15 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] cotton wool In-reply-to: <000d01c806b6$b1e72830$89e73f50@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <47057A93.1000806@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <000d01c806b6$b1e72830$89e73f50@CPQ21932199711> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 972920f9-b873-4208-aabd-549e2c81028b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47057A94.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:43:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NhMR1018770 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:43:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NhIwL017558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NgxWm049244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:42:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Ngwvo031122; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NgrrH030964 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:44:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C806E0.738C991B" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT riding jackets Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:44:06 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7E0@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7E0@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT riding jackets Thread-Index: AcgG0DYCI4zsbtMmTCaCDKI2O7OTHgADz2sR References: <47054874.5010600@kabelfoon.nl><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 23:44:06.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[73A56800:01C806E0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eda000db-a831-4c3e-b591-fab8d4543cb7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47057A97.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806E0.738C991B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Susan, =20 Just modern, I'm afraid. I lost my dressage partner last December (33 = yr.old Trakehner - actually, he'd been a lawn ornament for a while), so = my jackets were just lower level show jackets. I did get a sidesaddle = habit & was looking for a sidesaddle for a while, but he and I seemed to = trade off being sound). =20 NE Ohio seems to be a Paso Fino hotbed, so I have several friends with = Pasos - lovely horses. How do you like riding aside? =20 Patty =20 =20 ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 5:45 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is halloween stuff Patty, What type of riding jackets? Pictures, please? I trail ride my Paso Fino, Oscar. We also do some sidesaddle riding. That's a reason I am on this list - to learn about correct riding clothing for various Time Periods. Susan (NJ) "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Oct 4, 2007, at 4:33 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > Oooh - don't forget the "pass the scary objects" game. Blindfolded - > pass spaghetti (cooked), cooked (canned) plums, etc. with suitably > lurid descriptions. > > BTW, my dummy is wearing her little cloth cover with two riding > jackets (on hangers) hanging off the top. (I haven't been riding for > an age, either). > > Patty > > ________________________________ > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Deredere Galbraith > Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 4:09 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] My dressmaker's dummy is halloween stuff > > > > My dummy is wearing an absolutely ugly synthetic cheap black Halloween > cape for my husband. > We bought it from Smiffys along with some other fun Halloween stuff. > He is going to be lord Dracula and I will be Corpse Bride. > I am having so much fun thinking of how I am going to decorate the > house. > Planning on hanging plastic in front of the living room door as in = some > scary movies. > Maybe some "blood" smears on them. > In the front garden there will be a cross with some graveyard candles > and a morgue sign. > One of the kitchen doors will be open but will have red and white tape > in front of it and a sign keep out and than a silhouette on the = kitchen > floor like at a crime seen.... > Green lemonade with floating eyeballs in them.... > > I hope so that some of the guest will be in fun costumes. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806E0.738C991B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806E0.738C991B-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:44:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NiMiJ018798 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:44:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NiDv8018018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:44:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NhqEt049419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Nholi032252; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:43:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NhKfJ031445 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2007100423431401300pjqsje>; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:43:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:43:13 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Moderator? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1180fe30-15ba-4e4b-81b2-8088ea81701a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47057ACD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think this list needs a moderator to keep things from getting out of hand as they are now. Insults should be posted privately, I think. Let's all try to be as polite as we would be in person--assuming we are! ;-) Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 19:50:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NoJkk019002 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:50:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l94NoACT027671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:50:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NnqDA050308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NnAgN038333; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94Nmunb038121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:49:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.61] (dial-209-148-114-61.sonic.net [209.148.114.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94NmtoH004310 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:48:55 -0700 Message-ID: <47057BE8.6040403@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:48:56 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Moderator? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce2ea014-0279-4e10-824c-e7957c6cceb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47057C32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm perfectly willing to drop the subject if everyone else is. In this case, "troll" is not an insult, but I think a very accurate description. As I've already said, I'm not falling for it. So, instead of the satisfaction of getting me punished by a moderator when I've already dropped a discussion someone is continuing, will you settle for having me just drop it? Fran Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I think this list needs a moderator to keep things from getting out of > hand as they are now. Insults should be posted privately, I think. > Let's all try to be as polite as we would be in person--assuming we are! > ;-) > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 20:33:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l950Xf0e020320 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:33:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l950XWbl019109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94LqMnQ033509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LqLDj098573; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:52:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94LqGY3098482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.71] (dial-209-148-114-71.sonic.net [209.148.114.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l94LqE7l013161 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:52:14 -0700 Message-ID: <4705608F.3070208@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:52:15 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> <632A0B79-4EAB-4C8E-9D7C-21E6FA44FAFC@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <632A0B79-4EAB-4C8E-9D7C-21E6FA44FAFC@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ed35c08-c306-4504-827f-4054f83439ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4705865C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm sorry, but the UT test is not the only available information on copyright. I am not obligated to consider it so. Why do you not instead read circular 29, or Richard Stim's _Getting Permission_? Fran Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> >>> FACTOR 4: If this kind of use were widespread, what effect would it >>> have on the market for the original or for permissions? >> >> >> It can have a great deal of effect. Bear in mind that the copyright >> owner has a much better grasp of the effect on sales than the >> copyright violator, and the copyright owner can present that evidence >> in court. > > > I stated at the beginning that I was using the UT test as an example. > Go back and read copypol2.htm#test>. > > Then come back with answers again, or with citations explaining how the > analysis of their general counsel (who is trying to give their faculty > as much freedom as possible while avoiding litigation) is incorrect. > > andy > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 20:43:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l950hWBV020593 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:43:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l950hNuH023252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:43:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l950gA8S055454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l950g5wQ089624; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-83.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l950g1aN089552 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from litlnemo@slumberland.seattle.wa.us) Received: from cupcake.slumberland.org (c66-235-6-229.sea2.cablespeed.com [66.235.6.229]) by randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C1AEF225 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47058858.4010304@slumberland.seattle.wa.us> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:42:00 -0700 From: Wendi Dunlap Organization: Slumberland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070828) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c14f3d83-542d-4648-bf09-32f05070f0d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470588AB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > As for pictures, not only are they usually complete in themselves, bear > in mind that under US law (I understand that the laws of some foreign > countries are different, but do not know the details for each country) > photographs of paintings and other works of art have their own > copyrights, indepedent of the copyright status of the work of art > itself. Suppose a Renaissance painting is in an American museum, and the > museum photographs it. They can, and often do, charge for the use of > that photo. If a different photographer photographs it someday, that > photo has its own, different copyright. Not as black and white as all that anymore -- see Bridgeman v. Corel, as I mentioned yesterday. It is possible that such exact photographs of public domain works are no longer copyrightable in the US unless there is some additional creative content. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp. for a relatively accessible explanation of this. But as it mentions, "it has yet to be cited by any appellate-level circuit court"; it's not *officially* the law of the land yet. This does mean, however, if you copy an exact photograph of a Renaissance painting for your SCA Renaissance costuming class, you are probably going to be OK -- in the US. Probably. But not certainly. Anything can happen, and at some point, this might be tested at the Supreme Court level, and it could be you who gets sued in the process. But Bridgeman v. Corel at least means (to me, anyway) that you can use those types of images in the US with a clear conscience, as the original works are public domain, and the photographs themselves are probably not copyrightable based on Bridgeman v Corel. (The sad thing is, even if you are in the right, you can still get sued, and it can still cost you a lot of money. But that is up to each of us to decide whether to take that risk, I guess.) W (For what it's worth, I think this decision is correct; once works are in the public domain, an owner of the physical work should not be able to de facto "re-copyright" them, as many museums have essentially attempted to do. I know they get income from it, but "hijacking the public domain" is unethical, and in a way contrary to the general mission of most museums. But that is just my opinion.) *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 21:06:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9516vLU021206 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:06:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9516rvI002550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:06:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9516Rbv057910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:06:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9516NgN013149; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9516Loh013028 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so69413ana for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:06:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=j8c28SQhhrysbdE3x6+W34KyS8PXu6NZNyAl+VEo81g=; b=DeVkCRtPyNb3jlkKhuDqww7xsGfOa+2VG216H/hNM1Na2D5XcRtzT1SqTrwAAbkHSmypH5W4r7MDpoVknCy9hSd64HibfcLBtD4KhKipjCKxSMZaBDYXko+uMxmmyWyic8ETRStlGMHmTMDzP4vI0ivAvd0mASgtT4KR97CrQDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZGIYHk6lrV1fnGzTnKx6RKNQLLEGLdX/PRIrSycDS718yHNOKmpXL2UMB9y1x/pQR02S4b3dgfO8zVH/7FRgRT0T4AxqVL/h4b91i2a/9+vcaGDF/pFW7LijS9pySTjaY/h7Ln43FwcTEEHegltu5UUHR61iCIzYj7fe6wibE5U= Received: by 10.142.231.7 with SMTP id d7mr1294814wfh.1191546374927; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.26.20 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0710041806n7389aa06n19a9eebad4f3a504@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:06:14 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: <01e601c806dd$5e622ad0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01e601c806dd$5e622ad0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bbc39c3f-3d6f-4931-82fa-49b090b93031 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47058E2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 21:24:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951O9cS021593 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:24:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l951O3K9012515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:24:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l951NRBl059303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951NQWI027720; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951NNJV027595 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W4 ([65.55.133.39]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:23:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.178.92] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Troll? (also dress dummy) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:23:17 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47057BE8.6040403@lavoltapress.com> References: <47057BE8.6040403@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2007 01:23:18.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F7AA540:01C806EE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ced0b84e-fdbf-432a-a25c-828615906779 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47059233.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I took Fran's advice earlier to delete the "costume photos" subject lines r= ather than slog through it all, but this came thru as I was reading 'what's= on your dress dummy'. For a minute I wondered what I was missing that could have led to the below= quote, but then I realized that the god of email was just letting me have = a laugh without any of the pain. =20 Unfortunately, my dress dummy is wearing a bag of plastic bags while my dau= ghter cleans her room (which is also my sewing room) and I, alas, am reduce= d to sewing fold-em-up essential oil holders for my store. Boring, assembl= y line production, but at least the fabrics are pretty... =20 Laurie =20 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:48:56 -0700> From: fran@lavoltapress.com> In th= is > case, "troll" is not an insult, but I think a very accurate descriptio= n. >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop = by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Oc= tWLtagline= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 21:57:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951v1f5022409 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:57:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l951uvKf019916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:57:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l951uPVt063905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951uOEW058732; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951uKqb058675 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490367000C0 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:54:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710042154.37719.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e33327c2-e2c1-4988-bbc5-11f9b443ea62 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470599E9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thursday 04 October 2007, Cin wrote: > I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any > chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? > Please? > What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? My purely notional dummy is wearing nothing at the moment, but will soon sport yet another early-period type shift--this one with a speculative collar, based purely on a reconstruction drawing in a book on early Lithuanian costume. After that, I plan to attempt a reconstruction of the Viking era costume based on this find: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/sarafan/sarafan.htm -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 21:57:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951uwUp022408 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:56:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l951usgM024332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:56:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l951tOnT063822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951tMVr057849; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l951tJBb057784 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9501ADA051C; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:54:24 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <000601c806ae$78a059f0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <470536D1.2050906@lavoltapress.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: <011201c806f2$d2fe69c0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <470536D1.2050906@lavoltapress.com> thread-index: AcgGxpMGfYxO97WYQ3aBXpNlLKa1tgALBoEw X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54621d6f-9403-4db3-9a73-71988517e5b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470599E6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The students are 9-11 yrs. old and we only have 6 45 min. classes. I don't think I can ask them to buy a book for that. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:54 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Sharon Collier wrote: > What about using designs that are hundreds of years old, but are in a "new" > publication. I teach a blackwork class to 4-5 graders (no fee, just > part of the Fines Arts Block at my son's school)and copy images for > them to use on their samplers, as it is easier than tracing each one individually. This depends on whether the new publication is a reprint or not. A reprint is material that is published exactly as is. No editing. No redrawing of illustrations. No selection and organization of materials for an anthology; or a selection and organization that is so obvious as to require no originality. For example, every single poem by Robert Burns ever published, reprinted exactly as first published in the exact order of first publication, is a reprint. If the poems are chosen by arbitrary criteria such as "best poems," and/or organized by arbitrary criteria such as "nature poems," "love poems," "Scottish poems," etc., then this is a new anthology covered by modern copyright, and copying significant portions of it is a copyright violation. All new material added is covered by modern copyright, such as an introduction, footnotes, glossary, index, and/or appendices; and even, often, the page design and layout. All modern translations from foreign languages are covered by copyright, just as if they had originally been written today in English. If you have an exact reprint of a 16th-century blackwork manual (or the 16th-century blackwork manual itself), yes, you can freely copy the images. If you are using someone else's redrawings or rechartings of the 16th-century manual, you are violating their copyright, whether the students are given the material to trace or whether you photocopy it for them. Legally, they should be told to buy the textbook. It is also legal for you to take the original 16th-century manual or an EXACT reprint (no editing, recharting, etc.), redraw/rechart the images yourself, and hand that work out to your students. But you have to go back to the original. You can't ride on someone else's previous work. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 22:03:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9523cer022567 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:03:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9523YWD030477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9523H1e065307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9523G5c065986; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:03:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9523CL2065940 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74447000C0 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:01:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:01:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <470536D1.2050906@lavoltapress.com> <011201c806f2$d2fe69c0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <011201c806f2$d2fe69c0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ansi_x3.4-1968" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710042201.30319.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a37eb3a-c962-47d4-a4bd-e9ff904a654d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47059B76.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Doesn't Dover have any books of public-domain clip art that would serve the purpose? -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 22:04:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9524MEk022581 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:04:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9524I87027447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:04:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95242VE065594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l952424T066856; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9523waC066775 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB5D25D502EA; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:03:09 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:04:21 -0700 Message-ID: <011401c806f4$0bb04f30$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: thread-index: AcgG0uODGse+Wm77QiCTCMGpNkFVWgAIR8wg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13889c53-36bc-438b-a9a7-f99d33f81882 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47059BA2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'd love to see pics. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:07 PM To: h-cost Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? >From: "Chiara Francesca" Heh ... Mardi >Gras beads and a cat toy ... don't ask. I dont think I can top that. Euphrosnia is wearing a 1470s houppeland in beige silk brocaded taffeta, the collar & cuffs are dark chocolate brown velvet. It needs sleeves, closures & a hem. Adonis is, all Adonises should be, nekkid as a jaybird with a womans 1890s chip straw hat embellished with ostrich feathers, orange taffeta ribbon & roses. The heads: Anne, Catherine & Charles are wearing: * Clara Eugenia's hat from the de Llano portrait. * A kiss me quick bonnet c1840s trimmed with parrot feathers. * A small butterfly hennin of gold silk shot with brass threads (which one might call cloth of brass). The brass wires to support the veil are too short & flimsy. This hat needs a bit of reworking. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 22:15:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l952FsO0022909 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:15:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l952Fo1T002533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:15:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l94NiRkg049536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:44:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NiP82032983; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l94NiLNC032822 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:45:40 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C806E0.ABE6EFDD" Subject: RE: "repurposed" fabric... Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummywearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:44:44 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7E1@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7E1@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: "repurposed" fabric... Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummywearing? Thread-Index: AcgG0IQuRyIp0ZK5SRiMiHpNkE/WDgAEAZVm References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 23:45:40.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC0BBAF0:01C806E0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de00cc10-c812-4aae-adb6-2f74463d0d87 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47059E56.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806E0.ABE6EFDD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What great ideas - where was my brain? I've passed up lots of that = stuff. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 5:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: "repurposed" fabric... Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers = dummywearing? On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Dawn wrote: > There's a lot of embroidered linen out there that either has so=20 > many motifs, or glued applique, that it probably isn't worth=20 > bothering with. If it's not bulky embellishment, it may still be good as lining or=20 interlining. I've got some ugly olive-drab linen with an uglier umber- ish basketweave embroidery pattern on it. Got it dirt cheap. I've got=20 enough to line quite a few garments... andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806E0.ABE6EFDD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C806E0.ABE6EFDD-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 22:36:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l952aobD023455 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:36:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l952ak4L010554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:36:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l952a6w6071003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l952a221099985; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:36:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l952a0hV099931 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k4so450729nfd for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:35:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=khg/HUc1nOYxM+x5+yLN1YCk55yCf02RWpf0C09ixR4=; b=VarUtvsApqujOwp5ApjCyCB35e5lY7SC6OH9gsVrer2eGczyOcKxsVIJMhXbM8/FfTPkPROEva6/H0tDBhObbt8WXSDiQ/YuzujhNX68jYSN2sqhhfFfOB7AVV7OxxaNMVLiU2R/2ouu10n9OnLef+gjFBd0Mv9hDZN9Wri5C/E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OZJqeqyUglMCUimZdtb/sf0MgfkDK3j8WlCBZ+kNrIGjuXDJxmM9FN17yn/E4x9N4LoZm/ng+H18eWMlZ1eFMUg8VQ87wxIz67jlGVSQQD+srWV8tWT3ggwys4ceNGM5nzQMkv1XV8OebmXDquJ2Yl5LjiSGjnjxcEcK1rXOiSk= Received: by 10.78.157.19 with SMTP id f19mr11747786hue.1191551758954; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.44.18 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190710041935h6f0b710ao9853c713548ae3c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:35:58 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19c73874-e7dc-4fec-ae82-92d5eddb8735 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4705A33E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 22:43:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l952ha1X023625 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:43:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l952hWIX009588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:43:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l952hF4A071543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l952hDCR006099; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l952h97C006020 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A48A151E04E8; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:42:18 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <470536D1.2050906@lavoltapress.com><011201c806f2$d2fe69c0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <200710042201.30319.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:43:29 -0700 Message-ID: <013801c806f9$83681940$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <200710042201.30319.cathy@thyrsus.com> thread-index: AcgG9AEVXX7IoMVUQDWn9vxw+/NxSQABXgTg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1501f01f-e7e4-475c-99da-c4c9e451f335 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4705A4D4.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks! I never thought of Dover. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos On Thursday 04 October 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: > The students are 9-11 yrs. old and we only have 6 45 min. classes. I > don't think I can ask them to buy a book for that. Doesn't Dover have any books of public-domain clip art that would serve the purpose? -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 23:09:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95394JO024184 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:09:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95390BO003354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9537uXf074163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9537sdN030004; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9537pFK029825 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=AGC8EdWzPRI3lOGXtlyEO4n+Qi/guoDUvcVQx5pd7Ow42Sk+CSesDlc2LtJtKeBq; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.110.84] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1IddXV-0003is-Qa for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:07:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <13687685.1191524941208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13687685.1191524941208.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36BAFCDE-33B7-4F0F-BEFD-E30D20A293CF@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:05:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cb8a985ca5dba1ef2faa25925f3afe821350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.110.84 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Costume photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8903a01b-d9b9-404d-8d3d-d389d4347388 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4705AACC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 4, 2007, at 12:09 PM, ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > But you'll have a very hard time getting ANY published material > copied at Kinko's. Ten years or so ago they were the subject of a > big copyright-violation suit because they were helping/encouraging > faculty to "make their own textbooks" with photocopied materials, > and neither the faculty nor Kinko's pursued the necessary > permissions. Since then, Kinko's has been DEFINITELY "once burned, > twice shy" with copying. Some years ago I wanted to make little > thank-you cards for my TWELFTH NIGHT cast, and since we had danced > a lavolta as our curtain call I wanted to put "Queen Elizabeth I > Dancing with Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester" on the front of the > card. For that I needed (lacking a color scanner and a color > printer at home) a color photocopy of the painting....and the > counterperson at Kinko's WOULD NOT PERMIT me to make a tiny copy > for this innocuous purpose. Even UNpublished material: My truelove > had to photocopy the rough draft of a repair manual he was writing, > to ship it to the company he was writing it for--and that Kinko's > counterperson, seeing technical drawings bearing the company's > name, refused to copy it for him without a written release from the > company. The conscientious counter person at Kinko's once tried to refuse me permission to make multiple copies of MY OWN WORK because it had a copyright notice on it. I eventually convinced the manager that it was okay, but I was quite amused. :) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 23:40:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l953emCw024947 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:40:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l953ejld019244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l953eH2C077377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l953eE0I061970; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.153] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l953eBC0061906 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D42283F726 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:40:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: "repurposed" fabric... Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummywearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:40:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb45d938-ecc4-41c6-a270-3bca278b54ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4705B23D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For $2 a yd. 100% linen medium weight. White with black appliqued linen flowers. Took the flowers off and now I have a solid white linen material. I plan on attaching the flowers together to make a long vest, may line it with another color or fancy crochet/needle work bettween the flowers. For $1 a yd. 100% linen, white, medium weight with med.sized crabs embroidered all over. Could not remove the crabs but the spacing of the crabs allow the making of a Tudor style shift. Because you basically only see the solid white neckline and not the rest of the shift. And the extra material will be drawers. Though I am sure there will be giggles about me having crabs or being crabby. :] Other embroidered pieces that I can not remove the design, are planned for under garments that most likely won't be seen. De -----Original Message----- On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Dawn wrote: > There's a lot of embroidered linen out there that either has so > many motifs, or glued applique, that it probably isn't worth > bothering with. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 4 23:46:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l953kTF4025112 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:46:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l953kPGM008910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:46:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l953k8xi078037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l953k7n8067238; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l953k5Nu067086 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so464351mue for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:45:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=5G4dYJJCwLEdCmARol5XY+WQidul+YuHvcu4hH1AAlQ=; b=RagG5rGNIi+7Ev8p4GmOWXbOePwaI8nkbS5Wo9GAPW1FE6BJ0GaiFsi5xSx+ynm1qxajz7svuHw/FCVQeOwDk4lVerGkdIf+dANyDSMLsUuJWe9GOIoiFaJnvb0btKLY0xbx3vQQCV7LEKonwvuKadlPnQTSJSYitthoTnNaf4M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=hUn51OyHBWNXOiOIADNz1eb48T55eNuTFiW503YXnNAeA/jPlMyNcP3ziWC2/Mw3T8EFtQ+wPSCglrQPtnUf6uEYJ69g6UdObk1TFMNyQeO/VcZhKnNEWFeNxCSrOTjCu6B3WKobZ9QbF3LAQhibi6BVp6ApO8dikKDvlAINLWY= Received: by 10.64.28.3 with SMTP id b3mr6153405qbb.1191555958819; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheBeast ( [70.109.233.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s40sm1623000hsb.2007.10.04.20.45.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01c80702$3c680c40$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: "repurposed" fabric... Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakersdummywearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:45:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13ff38d7-535e-4022-ab4d-e546c11ab6c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4705B391.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And if they are, we all giggle about the wonderful design on them. Hey, I saw a gown hand done 2 years ago at the Laurel's challenge with DUCKY cotton broadcloth lining. Was wonderful to pick up the hem and see that. Not to mention it was the talk of the challenge. Starr And the extra > material will be drawers. Though I am sure there will be giggles about me > having crabs or being crabby. :] Other embroidered pieces that I can not > remove the design, are planned for under garments that most likely won't > be > seen. > > De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 01:17:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l955HO53027413 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 01:17:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l955HEif014905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 01:17:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l955FwaQ085860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l955FtCQ047051; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.225.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l955Fpo7046863 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with ESMTP id <20071005051544b1500i0q2ve>; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:15:44 +0000 Message-ID: <4705C88F.5020203@bovil.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:15:59 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <3aa89d7f7790f7d09edad5a3aa333643@ntw.net> <4704769C.3000502@lavoltapress.com> <470489D8.9060307@lavoltapress.com> <47052475.9010308@bovil.com> <470538B4.6090902@lavoltapress.com> <5C5B89FA-64B0-4835-B7AB-01C1AF130208@bovil.com> <47054D97.5090102@lavoltapress.com> <632A0B79-4EAB-4C8E-9D7C-21E6FA44FAFC@bovil.com> <4705608F.3070208@lavoltapress.com> <470571DF.6040302@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <470571DF.6040302@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60c7f4db-06dc-479e-8987-512b0de9e264 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4705C8DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > So, my first assignment for YOU is for YOU to go buy Richard Stim's > _Getting Permissions: How to License & Clear Copyrighted Materials > Online & Off._ It's readily available on the Nolo Press website, on > Amazon.com, and probably in libraries. It contains an extensive > discussion of this issue. Stim's work is the second reference I cited. He's the author of the "Copyright and Fair Use Overview" section at the Stanford's Copyright and Fair Use project. _Getting Permissions_ forms the core of that section. If you were checking citations instead of just tossing them around, you would have figured that out. I even cited him in a way that was easy for all the folks attempting to follow this discussion to follow. So yes, reading Stim is valuable. I did. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 03:50:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l957ojGE025703 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 03:50:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l957oea8003913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 03:50:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l957nVUI003942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 01:49:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l957nRen087368; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 01:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l957nM2E087241 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 01:49:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 96369 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2007 07:49:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bs3HPVMVM1mJOGkQNgXI8vX.VQLmY7iPgU505gk2kw84ubozOhgeCp5czeVoRlXIZnwfUiNUj5MXRUc2O2pm9NXFPgl0C.hjI63YTbZPIUL9KwmOVlM- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:49:16 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <47053EBD.7010501@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <129684.90599.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09fa8f1e-7ab7-40f8-873e-26683831e115 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4705ECD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, that is quite obvious. However, as a business owner you might consider that the people on this list are your target consumers. It is a well known fact that consumers often purchase where they feel they are treated respectfully. I know I have switched dry cleaners not because of how my clothes were cleaned (both did an admirable job there), but because of their customer service. You may be alienating many people who would have otherwise purchased your goods. Lavolta Press wrote: Look, I don't live for the approval of email lists, OK? I coule care less if people think I'm nicey-nice. Fran Beteena Paradise wrote: > I think everyone gets your point. Too bad the point couldn't have been made in a manner which was a bit less off-putting. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 04:30:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l958TwkK001331 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 04:29:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l958TspW001573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 04:29:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l958TKDQ014286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 02:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l958TJ1e032340; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 02:29:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l958TFfD032278 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 02:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.50635443; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:28:47 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l958SkB12216.; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:28:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:28:46 +0100 Message-Id: <470603BF02000014000DB63A@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:28:31 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright References: <200710042032.l94KVYGN089758@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710042032.l94KVYGN089758@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68772083-260a-42dd-b7a4-145f75c909a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4705F602.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 07:41:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Bf2mt028026 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:41:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95BewUP018381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:41:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95BdfCD060936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95BdchQ036242; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95BdZnQ036058 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so584610waf for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:39:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=b+zg3eZi8hN0DQU/UtrhnGnam7hr7Pxprnp7sRCDpQg=; b=KkAk7lZnDFVWQF1561Hp3WXfRyzLVThZ946T8uTT6XDcK+DwZkyWKY0DlBvR4D7PM+CJuBv4eVrr5oKtKAZ51oAQ7/LlcLkMlFJyAT94lB+Qq9USdQyFftdWHm1HPNPy+eVzr20S26BfGiKWGgVBM+Fk3IT5wz7zf0Ak0PnVRMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EotWofrUM0wSFliDeq7/fBl6pxqa2JUOtZ6DYo28IDD72QDECDJLEOzUXGo4jVBg/60rIphCmZzX/EbfVtnqUU/1Xm9HtnVv6z7KUUGV/sno5Ydioj3378NfkhVj629x+hzP4CEqHCf1+IY2ymu6ruvxDDUOSUEXnSsPJpyv9CA= Received: by 10.114.178.1 with SMTP id a1mr7129402waf.1191584369606; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.17 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 04:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <228c7530710050439g7b874534y7096cbdc1767abdf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:39:29 +1000 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Reintroduction...yes, I'm back! (long) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1bc19d6-f129-4781-ae10-d1edd9ef825e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470622CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello all, dear, dear people on this list! I don't know if _anyone_ will remember me. I joined h-costume in 1996 and have actually been on it ever since. When Eric Praetzel needed the 1997 archives for his archive page at http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/, I supplied them... so that's me, just for reference. I lived in Berlin, Germany at the time, and it's now over 5 years ago that I announced that I was going to become a h-costume member from Melbourne, Australia. ... and that I have been since then... but I've been silent. Now, I guess I'll have to explain why! As the archives were online along with my old e-mail address (which was barbara at math dot tu dash berlin dot de), the address was soon pretty much useless. It got harvested by e-mail address collectors and I suspect it became part of a virus kit, because it obviously became the nominal (fake) sender address of virus e-mails that I, needless to say, never sent (reading my e-mail mostly with a text-based interface on unix-like systems). I used to have a pretty clear picture at that time what viruses where currently around, from the number of 'reply' e-mails that I got that an e-mail of 'mine' (that I had never sent) had contained a virus. So, I've been reluctant to post since then. In fact, this is my special 'h-costume' mailing address now. Now I'm back and I'm happy to read so many familiar names, still! I believe I have only met one member of this list in person -- Bjarne, we once sat together in a cafe in Kopenhagen. You showed me pictures of your embroidery and I showed you pictures of someone else's embroidery (namely that of the gold embroderers of Buchara, Uzbekistan). So now, I live in Melbourne, Australia, and a move across countries like this does have its difficulties, it can also limit one's creativity a bit. But September was costuming month. My daughter's school turned 120 years, and the kids were supposed to dress up "old-fashioned". The school gave some hints on how to do that, and I browsed my 1887 dress pattern catalogues and found the hints were all wrong. In fact, I had a hard time finding an 1887s 7 y.o. girl's costume that would clearly stand out as 'old-fashioned' and could not have been worn today as well, at least by little girls. Knee-length skirts and ruffles never went away for girls, I believe. In the end, I tried to make a costume a bit like Alice's in the original illustrations of "Through the Looking Glass", in particular a "dress apron" which I am really proud of, after instructions from the "Workwoman's Guide, by a Lady". (Okay okay -- that's 1838, but Alice wears one!) (And she is from 1865, I know -- but at least that way you can tell that it's an 'old-fashioned' costume!) Then, only a few days later, my church staged an event where we all dressed up as people from the 16th century and all travelled from our church to the Immigration Museum, where a 'German Fest' was on and one of us, as 'Martin Luther', nailed '95 theses' to a door which we had supplied ourselves. (The idea was that the other visitors were invited to afterwards write down their own theses on 'what does the church need today?' and nail them to the same wall.) At least of that event, I can point to a few photos: at http://www.kirche.org.au/index.php?id=104. Now, I'm ashamed to have to say... I still don't own a dressmaker's dummy and doubt I'll ever find one that's adjustable to my size. But if I had one... I wish I already knew what would be on there. I will be getting married. Yes, and for the very first time in my life. I already have a daughter and am getting married for the very first time in my life! And it relly feels like The big event that I have been waiting for! The relationship with her father went to pieces, but now I have met this wonderful, chaotic, intelligent, lazy, lovable guy who is actually saying he wants to stay with me for the rest of his life! We will have one (formal) marriage celebration in Germany and one (religious one) here. And it's approaching way too fast. The date is early January, and I also work full time and have a lot of other commitments. In fact, I feel like I want to retreat and do nothing else for the next three months than prepare the party. And the biggest question is, what will we wear? He does live-acting role play, has seen the costumes I make and has now made up his mind that he will want to get married in an 1830s suit. Now, I have never made something like that, and his idea on that is also very vague, so I'm looking for patterns now. Where can I get patterns for an elegant 1830s mens' suit? And for myself? Before the idea of a wedding in historical costumes came up, I had already fallen in love with burda pattern 8199 (http://www.burdamode.com/Brautmode,1270778-1128998-1005430-1157072,deDE.html; or, with English text: http://www.fjoelner.dk/vismonster.asp?vare=6834&la=uk&uart=167) which to my eyes seems delightfully eclectic and for that very reason not historic, but modern. I see 'medieval' in it (sleeves), 'modern' (bare shoulders) and '1930s' (slim, straight line)... any more opinions? But how will that match an 1830s mens' suit? But I'm not going to make something 1830s for myself -- for fun, yes, not for my wedding. Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Or a tango. Dancing is a big thing for both of us. So I'm still not quite sure about my own dress and am still looking for inspiration. It's customary that the bridegroom cannot see the bride's dress before the wedding, so I even have to do all of this secretly! Okay, please forgive my long post. It's great to be back. Barbara -_- Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 08:01:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95C1094028508 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:01:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95C0uvF014615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:01:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95C0Ld9066372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:00:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95C0Jcu060024; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9521jtI064083 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AAD88BA04BC; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:00:56 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47053F55.6080609@lavoltapress.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D6@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47054F82.6000703@lavoltapress.com><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7DB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47055695.7020001@lavoltapress.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:02:07 -0700 Message-ID: <011301c806f3$bc115050$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <47055695.7020001@lavoltapress.com> thread-index: AcgGzbtFsiTC577LRHykYX9VffnAhwAJVbIQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 49c8731a-7f6f-4d25-b20d-49a87a8f641a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47062778.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Re the copyright question, what if the book you are copying from isn't in print any longer and someone across the country wants a pic from it and you own it. Is it ok to send a copy since someone wouldn't want to send their book across the country to someone they didn't now well, not to mention the postage costs? And how would you get permission to do said copy? Write to the publisher? What if it's a privately published pamphlet? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Rickard, Patty wrote: > Congratulations on being close to the end of your project The "end" is relative, especially as a book printer will have it for at least two months after I finish with it. I'll announce it on h-costume when it is available for sale. and stretching yourself to do it (only an assumption, based on your saying it was your hardest project). I don't enjoy doing things that aren't hard, or where I'm not learning anything. Best, Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 08:01:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95C1TD0028519 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:01:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95C1PKW022138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:01:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95C0tia066722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:00:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95C0rcS060844; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9525s5N069677 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ABCA113A04EC; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:04:58 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv><47055D57.70404@reddawn.net><62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> <1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: "repurposed" fabric...repurposing in the 1940s Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:06:10 -0700 Message-ID: <011501c806f4$4c59f590$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au> thread-index: AcgG2xdiRJmfgbTvTMyIr/v6kJc6xgAGRWmQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: ac7d316b-5b39-4278-b1ab-0a2011349788 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47062795.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Six years!?! It would have been out of style. At least, that's what I would have claimed! :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: "repurposed" fabric...repurposing in the 1940s Still the best book in my collection of sewing and fashion books is the 1940s home dressmakers' book by Pocket Books. This little dynamo of 100-odd pages from a time when a Pocket Book would still fit in a pocket shows a dozen different stitches, odd techniques, clever cheats, and gives descriptions that are superior to any I have read elsewhere. The highlight of the book, really, is how to make new things from old such as the chapter on how to turn your husband's old suit into a stylish new outfit for you. It demonstrates how to dis-assemble the suit and lay a new pattern over the old pieces and really is a very clever thing. My only qualm would be the kind of sentence that must have rung out across the world in 1946: "Darling, I am home from 6 long years in the military and I just cannot wait to get out of this uniform and into my good old..." -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 08:03:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95C3cp4028562 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:03:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95C3YMG026719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95C3Ib8067880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95C3HtS064532; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l957bkbM075639 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 01:37:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1Idhkm33ml-0007PV; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:37:46 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c80722$8c7f61e0$6801a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200710040736.l947aCIn031758@net.indra.com> <4704AFCC02000014000DB50E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 03:37:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18aqChjJMhg1a+g+Mc9gqDhTFW2gxkMJyVO+Q5 EkorRJCuYQ901BAARk9r3+MkvK4JtC4vH1aWRWa9VlbsZyM4yu GheogJIZLygC+8z+yvg4Q== Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kinko's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: d37c37ea-15d5-4220-a3c1-c560a02e0408 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47062816.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 08:04:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95C4RAk028587 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:04:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95C4NB1012569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95C47WE068143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95C45cO065682; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95B1tlW090455 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bd4.19b01122 (14467) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:01:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a630cf13-7bc2-4e12-9948-21dcfd5bec32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47062847.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 08:21:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CLC1B028990 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:21:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95CL8MP012763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:21:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95CKfQ1072896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CKddd085604; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CKYio085429 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 630844478-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.110.105 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAEfJBUdPSG5p/2dsb2JhbACBWQ Received: from 79-72-110-105.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.110.105]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Oct 2007 13:20:28 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071005131554.03428470@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:20:28 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <011501c806f4$4c59f590$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> <1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au> <011501c806f4$4c59f590$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85e562c0-e025-4e31-98ad-ae5ff2419fdd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47062C34.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 03:06 05/10/2007, you wrote: >Six years!?! It would have been out of style. At least, that's what I would >have claimed! :-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:06 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Re: "repurposed" fabric...repurposing in the 1940s > >Still the best book in my collection of sewing and fashion books is the >1940s home dressmakers' book by Pocket Books. This little dynamo of 100-odd >pages from a time when a Pocket Book would still fit in a pocket shows a >dozen different stitches, odd techniques, clever cheats, and gives >descriptions that are superior to any I have read elsewhere. > >The highlight of the book, really, is how to make new things from old such >as the chapter on how to turn your husband's old suit into a stylish new >outfit for you. > >It demonstrates how to dis-assemble the suit and lay a new pattern over the >old pieces and really is a very clever thing. > >My only qualm would be the kind of sentence that must have rung out across >the world in 1946: > >"Darling, I am home from 6 long years in the military and I just cannot wait >to get out of this uniform and into my good old..." My mother remade my Dad's Royal Air Force uniforms into shorts and shirts for my brother in the late 40's or early 50's. and my Dad was still in the Air Force. Thing was, he got promoted to an officer, and all his uniforms had to be replaced. So there was all this lovely Air Force blue wool going to waste............................... I collect the odd sewing book, and have a lovely wartime book on how to make do and mend clothes that have moth holes, have shrunk etc. And I remember wool knit jumpers being unravelled, the wool washed, and new things made. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 08:29:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CTc82029205 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:29:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95CTY0q026528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:29:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95CTGQP074350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CTEKL094210; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CT9Fd094117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-55-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.55]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l95CT6Qv025771 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:29:08 +1000 Message-ID: <001901c8074b$521245d0$37f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:29:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31b49fd2-d4ba-4fd5-86f1-09b75dde99e9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47062E2E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 5:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any > chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? > Please? > What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > well, it's not sufficiently assembled to be worn by my dummy but I'm currently working on a mid 1850s day dress, which may also become a mourning dress (it's black so I'll just add accessories) if my friend actually gets around to setting a date for the 'mourning' themed housewarming party she said she started talking about nearly 6 months ago. So right now my dummy is wearing nothing but a petticoat (and a sheer one at that :-o) -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole | Elizabeth Beaumont Canberra, Australia | Politarchopolis, Lochac http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 08:58:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CwmZ9030234 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:58:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95CwhI1002677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95CvYmC081536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CvVN1029377; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CvRiG029180 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:57:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c57.19638af3 (65100) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:57:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:57:18 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "repurposed" fabric...repurposing in the 1940s To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27251c75-ac14-415d-8f0f-774c6430bf2b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47063503.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/5/2007 8:02:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: Six years!?! It would have been out of style. At least, that's what I would have claimed! :-) And how many men would have cared about a suit's being 6 years out of style? Real examples-- My grandmother made me a winter coat from a Harris tweed man's suit--not sure how she got the suit. (My grandfather was long gone by then) And my brother cut up my mom's gold satin blouse to use for some kind of backdrop on his model railroad. He saw it wadded up in the basement and thought it was fair game. Since the damage was already done, I also used some for doll clothes. (Satin wasn't common in our household.) Ann Wass PS I had a home ec. textbook from WWII--it also recommended unraveling an old sweater and re-using the yarn. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 08:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Cxr6b030269 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95CxnRZ004189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:59:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95CxTlp082204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CxSRN032091; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95CxQ8E031919 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:59:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bestinterests@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so83644anc for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LIfBftg9snpjfiAvbx59/nn0dckwx8Z/kXjXLKVMKfs=; b=lPidBn5xiI2J+S+DlddA4EQkbV5VxjjzsxJHmsWQyolCgcpsKZ1M9qxXqWReA2yApbUjkGfB94wXBBHmsRJk05+Z4CR1ca2gB4xXqBL/C8QClxJn2OZBIDAuvFanPT67OOOYj1lvBjBrtrCESuA6ixyus30yQwR8okziHhQCPn0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZyOO78fgPBjetMKjF/9uC+o9TvA2OnvwUUX+fBP6L57p3l9Z164PXbPQKdpVGVTBmMydMAkc5yBV6AiVmQXpjLO+/S1bhP9LhDpAxhSMekaNrX8oheSSY55/3gIgaMcpss7NUN+RAUC9KQOaGQWU5UeSnJPSbFylDsZojkVRwlg= Received: by 10.142.171.6 with SMTP id t6mr1515966wfe.1191589159598; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.115.17 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:59:19 -0700 From: "ann marie" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: more on tea gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a776324a-f801-4028-9989-0dbd946795cf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47063545.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I sent the following on the first, but didn't see it on the list. If it made it there, please forgive me missing it. I am really looking forward to your help Ann On 10/1/07, ann marie wrote: > > Fran and Kathleen wrote about the tea gown for the Belle Epoque (thank > you for not reminding me of my spelling error) period. For your further > guidance, I will be a visitor at a hotel where the event is held. I am, > ahem, not a young girl, nor likely to fool anyone that I will be near that > age again, but I am divorced. Given this information, and the additional > concern that this is not in my home, nor am I a guest of someone else, what > should I do to be appropriately dressed? > Thank you for all of the information about the beautiful gowns! Did the > exhibition of gowns have a catalog? I will be looking at purchasing the > referenced books, but do not wish to embarrass myself in my enthusiasm. Are > there specific references to the service of tea that will help me learn a > bit more? > Ann > > > > > -- > What wisdom can you find that is not greater than kindness? - Jean > Jacques Rousseau -- What wisdom can you find that is not greater than kindness? - Jean Jacques Rousseau _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 09:05:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95D5O4J030423 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:05:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95D5K7S018383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:05:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95D4utY084320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95D4tQc040143; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95D4pVv039981 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:04:33 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l95D4XY34088 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:04:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 05 Oct 2007 08:04:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:04:31 -0500 References: <200710051229.l95CTfoN094901@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:04:18 -0500 Message-ID: <4705F000.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200710051229.l95CTfoN094901@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My DD is currently disassembled and up on a shelf (in a bag) where it is a favorite cat napping spot for one of our feline kids. The DD in my head is currently planning out costumes for a local community theater production of Gross Indecency: The Three Trials of Oscar Wilde in January. I love a director who plans ahead for period pieces :). Budget is limited so we will do a lot of repurposing from thrift store finds and probably save the $$, and sewing time, for OW's wardrobe. That is assuming I can find enough union-suit type underwear for the second act..... Handsewing is still my favorite to do but it is increasing limited by arthritis. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 09:37:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Db9KX031316 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:37:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95DajdS026460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:37:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95DZuZl090994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95DZsfR079506; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l95DZojh079315 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 79652 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2007 13:35:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z9oa3BcVM1kbaNNG0YRv1AvjH5Hm6SUF5dacVRAI Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:35:44 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4705F000.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <878718.78931.qm@web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Union suits - was: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I looked on ebay and they have union suits between $10 and $20. :) Catherine Kinsey wrote: That is assuming I can find enough union-suit type underwear for the second act..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 11:08:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95F8fnb001210 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95F8bdn031257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:08:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95F7JVt016872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95F6XZR005351; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95F6NXV004959 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=h3x6tFm1H6tI6gh+wTDUvfe6v1iKA/7W1oEA/KMoeOTkneML4abX1xVqZeXBu4SB; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.252.129] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IdoSI-0005tH-5X for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <027b01c8075e$bee3f5b0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv><47055D57.70404@reddawn.net><62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com><1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au><011501c806f4$4c59f590$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <7.0.1.0.2.20071005131554.03428470@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:48:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4834eaeb9d12fa849dc772f19837c96753773bb16c9ad91485350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.252.129 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3325a0a-03d6-4aec-a755-cfeb28dc7f63 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47065375.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > My mother remade my Dad's Royal Air Force uniforms into shorts and shirts > for my brother in the late 40's or early 50's. and my Dad was still in the > Air Force. > > Thing was, he got promoted to an officer, and all his uniforms had to be > replaced. So there was all this lovely Air Force blue wool going to > waste............................... > > I collect the odd sewing book, and have a lovely wartime book on how to > make do and mend clothes that have moth holes, have shrunk etc. And I > remember wool knit jumpers being unravelled, the wool washed, and new > things made. > > Suzi I just gave away the last bits of Air Force wool from my dad's uniforms. He retired in 1974. I remember my mother and I both having suits made from that wool. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 11:46:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Fk8Vk002198 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:46:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95Fk4aM029601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95FjPtl027002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95FjKdo062884; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95FjFmv062611 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:45:09 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47053EBD.7010501@lavoltapress.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume photos Thread-Index: AcgGxxhuVUyz26EuTduju9LzpWZergAnulgg From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fbedbeb-327c-4333-bfba-3d8070875be0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47065C3C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Look, I don't live for the approval of email lists, OK? I=20 >coule care less if people think I'm nicey-nice. > >Fran I don't think anyone was talking about approval or being thought of as "nicey-nice". Manners would have been appreciated, though. I am going to take your own advice and delete future messages from Lavolta Press. Sadly, I'm sure I will miss good content on occasion, but consistently abrasive, antagonistic posts do a disservice to both sender and list. Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 11:48:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95FmdiD002267 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:48:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95FmYpT031246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:48:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95Fm911027579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95FlvQV066849; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [206.18.177.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Flo8Q066427 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:47:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20071005154745b13000h3t7e>; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:47:45 +0000 Message-ID: <47065CA9.20106@bovil.com> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:47:53 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: "repurposed" fabric...repurposing in the 1940s References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> <1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 206140e3-2349-4e79-8b15-827e7ec026c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47065CD3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Come on, that one's easy. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 12:52:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95GqlHF004191 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:52:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95GqcEL007448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:52:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95GpbKV039165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:51:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95GjjiO049561; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95GioUa048004 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9BD16A30516; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:43:41 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710051229.l95CTfoN094901@net.indra.com> <4705F000.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Try Vermont Country Store. Maybe they can turn you on to some rejects/damaged ones that would otherwise not be sold. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:04 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? My DD is currently disassembled and up on a shelf (in a bag) where it is a favorite cat napping spot for one of our feline kids. The DD in my head is currently planning out costumes for a local community theater production of Gross Indecency: The Three Trials of Oscar Wilde in January. I love a director who plans ahead for period pieces :). Budget is limited so we will do a lot of repurposing from thrift store finds and probably save the $$, and sewing time, for OW's wardrobe. That is assuming I can find enough union-suit type underwear for the second act..... Handsewing is still my favorite to do but it is increasing limited by arthritis. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 14:34:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95IY9OH006595 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:34:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95IY5nt017408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:34:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95IWhCD061560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95IWZXt094313; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:32:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95IVXfW092900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.118] (dial-209-148-114-118.sonic.net [209.148.114.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l95IVKba021700 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:31:22 -0700 Message-ID: <470682F9.2000109@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:31:21 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <129684.90599.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <129684.90599.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 00141f98-bb2e-499d-bd95-bbc51e794a1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4706839D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Beteena Paradise wrote: > Yes, that is quite obvious. However, as a business owner you might > consider that the people on this list are your target consumers. It is > a well known fact that consumers often purchase where they feel they > are treated respectfully. I know I have switched dry cleaners not > because of how my clothes were cleaned (both did an admirable job > there), but because of their customer service. You may be alienating > many people who would have otherwise purchased your goods. Sorry, that club for controlling me doesn’t work. First, my social participation on an e-mail list has nothing to do with customer service. I’m not obliged to run my entire life, change my opinions, insert ridiculous “IMHO” statements and smiley faces all over my emails, etc., on the basis of whether someone, someday, might, maybe, possibly, buy something from me. Second, 99.9% of my books are sold through book industry wholesalers, meaning that I almost never sell directly to consumers, and not even that often to retailers. The customer service that consumers receive from the retailers, who in turn buy from those wholesalers, has nothing whatever to do with me. Third, no one who is seriously interested in doing research or gaining information buys books on the basis of whether they know or like the author. What counts is the content of the books. Anyone not at all interested in gaining information on the subjects I write on won’t buy them anyway. Fourth, I’ve run this business profitably for 14 years. While this is not the first time someone has told me that if I don’t change my opinions about copyright, etc., they won’t buy my books (usually someone interested in such a different era from any I’ve yet published on, that they wouldn’t buy them anyway), I have yet to notice the slightest impact whatever on sales. I have my sales figures, you don’t. Sine I’ve managed to run an increasingly profitable business for 14 years while still having the same personality, I doubt it has any negative impact on my business. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 14:35:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95IZMV8006629 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:35:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95IZHMN025936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95IYvNb061909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95IYrDA097417; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95IWanH094329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.118] (dial-209-148-114-118.sonic.net [209.148.114.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l95IWY3c001000 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:32:35 -0700 Message-ID: <47068344.2080802@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:32:36 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50d4ba3f-d391-41e8-acf0-9d38f94e9e15 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470683E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 14:38:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Ic8tx006668 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:38:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95Ic20D031425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:38:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95Ibjfu062378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Ibh8j001584; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Ibdg4001395 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:37:14 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l95IbEW47852 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:37:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 05 Oct 2007 13:37:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:37:12 -0500 References: <200710051802.l95I2NQX049259@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <47063DFF.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200710051802.l95I2NQX049259@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Union suits - was: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df37a9fa-e05e-488e-959e-7ce7d3bfff52 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4706848A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Beteena's good advice: I looked on ebay and they have union suits between $10 and $20. :) And Sharon's: Try Vermont Country Store. Maybe they can turn you on to some rejects/damaged ones that would otherwise not be sold. Thanks guys! I'm watching a couple on eBay and will checkout VCS. Part of the problem is I am looking for more summer weight than the long-john style. The production is in January however so I may be able to get the director to consider longer ones. (4 guys will be romping on-stage in these). I have found some offered by Dharma trading at a price that would be worth hemming/shortening, but they are out of stock until December. The joys of community theater budgets! I am also checking my local thrift stores regularly. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 15:09:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95J9PLc011969 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:09:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95J9K8W023937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95J7utI066363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95J7qpU043249; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95J7k3W042975 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so207004ele for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:07:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=9G+gpAPu/oINTeBnD39SY4mJ16NAwlcfrK0UOxrNIFQ=; b=Cvwytp07eVMphSZwtxwTK6jUQwyOUF3M2FCQz1e7LottWBtCegjKQuErs4GafLKPyENQ4zN5WpOkHYh1MZRvkUXsvVkALQPNjLbB1wBwR1+qnSIhVBQxo2Fzsqc08aR0EHVPOIlfC1Laa5MROij+CGOJ58tXInqeF0T+FgfJTSk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bx5+a4/U7GsvVsj0rEQG/C86Rgm871M+Acx1G91nFPZWvfu18Dnu7c0hcNAjlad6hmPhJzh7L+yjiv/5VgKMOVFdvrmL0AJdVLMrb4LQNb5JvQiRVF+0ihz//XOQoMUHm7Zm4YXFn4+YhGi+zvo/dogC9xltzNIleoh+8ySEbfc= Received: by 10.142.191.2 with SMTP id o2mr1806014wff.1191611258857; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:07:38 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bd09c63-a7c6-46a7-9217-afb62476ef80 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47068BE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sharon, How very sweet of you to ask. I'll put my costume website back up after I go thru an interview process next week. I didnt want an ego search to find something quite so un-serious given that the job is engineering program manager. Hardly appropriate. As soon as they say yeah or nay it'll be back up. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com From: "Sharon Collier" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? I'd love to see pics. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:07 PM Euphrosnia is wearing a 1470s houppeland in beige silk brocaded taffeta, the collar & cuffs are dark chocolate brown velvet. It needs sleeves, closures & a hem. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 15:18:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95JI2cB012218 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:18:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95JHwXp015827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:18:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95JGshB067567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95JGonI055957; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95JGc8n055531 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from auntiegert@att.net) Received: from mycomputer (181.los-angeles-14rh15rt.ca.dial-access.att.net[12.72.53.181]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20071005191629112002bii5e>; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:16:29 +0000 From: "Terri" To: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c80784$3c12c640$fd93fea9@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcgG+LZJzGVQo46dTPy4wv3wjmQUNgAijE4g In-Reply-To: <200710050236.l952a4cX000104@net.indra.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] what's on the dress form X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32ad9816-9483-46a2-adfa-f23f7e214931 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47068DE6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Right now, I have on my dress form the toile for my niece's wedding dress. It will be silk duchess satin modeled off of the Paulina Astor portrait at the Huntington Library with the decorative elements of a Charles F. Worth gown. I have already produced 5 Belle Epoch silk taffeta blouses (used up 20 years of lace bit collection), 6 petticoats of heavy silk Organza ( a delight to sew with) , one over embroidered silk organza wedding veil beaded and one silk satin Dore corset (never again). I have 5 walking skirts, 5 Eaton Jackets, the wedding dress and the "going away" picture hat left to do by June. And everyone in the wedding party, except myself is 1,300 miles away....Lord help me!! Terri casey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 16:47:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95Kljkt014067 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:47:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95KleEH015562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95KkXdl081988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:46:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95KkSjQ082828; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95KkO33082681 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so104023ana for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:46:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=LF39i7tBXcqcKduZn8exiFBddHsFXMlRNwr46P8gN1w=; b=XwZ19KkLi/0py+ZIvrLRZp6377/BI5Z5/8SADWanBGWpS4JfbWyKzhL/ZMdkGL2tKrINMPeH7CqQnvE7mBDxPvo6/ooMchRi/OI2Q//fWTSHESd2yFWDdovIWmNGhuCWDL0T8iMcNG7nfB/j+JZJI1dq4JzUotpo72K86k42W+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QymstWxLstyAyI2WXZS07EHSLl2iceHmMl0DYlzug6hQkzVoHK/0dx95vRdpXOeVotb7luJ6+dSbSUi5wRqOmdbz0z7mlw/ZeKMLlSZKyezkUbQ5etyBvMw8X4YL85K0lHVNoytE0mOiAgPm72l9AfhoSdCmBnJKm+nnac7JoAY= Received: by 10.143.157.10 with SMTP id j10mr1812635wfo.1191617179356; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:46:19 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d4cff0b-7045-4c48-a753-2912c17da0a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4706A2EC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO We just had a ragtime era wedding in August with a ragtime ball. My groom wore 2007 fashions; Mme wore a 1912 knock off. I dont think you have to match. I would recommend that you each wear what makes you feel handsome/beautiful, comfortable, festive, but you know all that. The Burda pattern is charming, and I do love a fishtail hem, but I do not think that you, as a dancer will be pleased. The upper skirt looks likely to shorten your stride at the knee. IMHO, It should be fine for Argentine tango, 30s foxtrot, 20s tango, but anything with a longer stride like polka or swing might be frustrating. You didnt say what styles you plan to dance at the reception. Congrats, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Barbara Marien said>And for myself? Before the idea of a wedding in historical costumes came up, I had already fallen in love with burda pattern 8199 (http://www.burdamode.com/Brautmode,1270778-1128998-1005430-1157072,deDE.html; or, with English text: http://www.fjoelner.dk/vismonster.asp?vare=6834&la=uk&uart=167) which to my eyes seems delightfully eclectic and for that very reason not historic, but modern. I see 'medieval' in it (sleeves), 'modern' (bare shoulders) and '1930s' (slim, straight line)... any more opinions? But how will that match an 1830s mens' suit? But I'm not going to make something 1830s for myself -- for fun, yes, not for my wedding. Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Or a tango. Dancing is a big thing for both of us. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 17:25:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95LPkfU015792 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:25:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95LPfVd010979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:25:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95LPOW8087861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95LPLqY037558; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95LPGpf037419 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.105.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.105]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Idufa-000299-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:25:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <001b01c80784$3c12c640$fd93fea9@mycomputer> References: <001b01c80784$3c12c640$fd93fea9@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] what's on the dress form Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:27:23 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 926011de-4e95-49f8-8c14-93098c167510 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4706ABD6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A big job, but it sounds absolutely beautiful! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 5, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Terri wrote: > Right now, I have on my dress form the toile for my niece's wedding > dress. > It will be silk duchess satin modeled off of the Paulina Astor > portrait at > the Huntington Library with the decorative elements of a Charles F. > Worth > gown. I have already produced 5 Belle Epoch silk taffeta blouses > (used up > 20 years of lace bit collection), 6 petticoats of heavy silk > Organza ( a > delight to sew with) , one over embroidered silk organza wedding > veil beaded > and one silk satin Dore corset (never again). I have 5 walking > skirts, 5 > Eaton Jackets, the wedding dress and the "going away" picture hat > left to do > by June. And everyone in the wedding party, except myself is 1,300 > miles > away....Lord help me!! > > Terri casey > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 17:25:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95LPlJO015795 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:25:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95LPhUq013611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:25:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95LP7e1087763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:25:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95LP3LK037083; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:25:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95LOeMN036631 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 503FD2E81DB for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:12:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.creighton.edu (mx2.creighton.edu [147.134.0.243]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 9DF2B2E810B for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:12:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx2.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD2E240094 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:24:39 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:24:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4706A2C1.1000308@yahoo.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s Thread-Index: AcgHkPNyrotGy5ZMSia46wCuR9Pn+QAAaDaA References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> <1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au> <011501c806f4$4c59f590$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom><7.0.1.0.2.20071005131554.03428470@suziclarke.co.uk> <4706A2C1.1000308@yahoo.co.uk> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef785052-ead9-44e3-9dbb-f87cf8125cd0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4706ABD7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a similar book that is a hardcover, and is an updated version of about 300 pages. It is also big on (remodeling) reusing fabric and altering worn and out-of-fashion clothing, not just for children, but for women too. The section for men is limited, supposing that all but the simplest garments require a tailor that would be beyond the skills of most housewives(which appear to be pretty formidable to modern eyes), but kind of a not-so-subtle tone throughout, that clothing for children and women should be of good quality, but make, alter, and mend so that men will have enough money, as the breadwinners after all, of good quality purchased clothing and the services of a tailor. However since the book was first published during the Depression and cloth and notions were the most expensive factors in any new garment, the book makes a lot of sense, putting it in its proper time: the Depression and World War II. The book naturally favors quality wool, linen, and cotton, over untested synthetics and blends where fabric content wasn't broken down for the consumer. Patterns ran 10-50 cents usually, which was considered expensive unless the pattern would be reused and not too many alterations were required. The book encouraged sewers to use an old garment that fit as a beginning point to making a pattern and showed how to make different pattern pieces based on the original garment. Although people wanted to be fashionable as much as today, the book stressed that while movies and magazines were sources of ideas for making one's own clothing, a classic wardrobe, for wear year after year with small often removeable details for seasonal changes and bows to fashion was the all-important "Good Taste", not embracing every whim of Dame Fashion, was the proper way to go. A multi-season coat, good basic black dress, a suit, pared with multi-function blouses and skirts that could be mixed and matched with boleros, jackets, vests and belts or no for multiple looks were advised even for women who could afford servants. Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jean Waddie Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:47 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 03:06 05/10/2007, you wrote: >> Six years!?! It would have been out of style. At least, that's what I >> would have claimed! :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of=20 >> stilskin@netspace.net.au >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:06 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: "repurposed" fabric...repurposing in the 1940s >> >> Still the best book in my collection of sewing and fashion books is=20 >> the 1940s home dressmakers' book by Pocket Books. This little dynamo=20 >> of 100-odd pages from a time when a Pocket Book would still fit in a=20 >> pocket shows a dozen different stitches, odd techniques, clever=20 >> cheats, and gives descriptions that are superior to any I have read=20 >> elsewhere. >> >> The highlight of the book, really, is how to make new things from old >> such as the chapter on how to turn your husband's old suit into a=20 >> stylish new outfit for you. >> >> It demonstrates how to dis-assemble the suit and lay a new pattern=20 >> over the old pieces and really is a very clever thing. >> >> My only qualm would be the kind of sentence that must have rung out=20 >> across the world in 1946: >> >> "Darling, I am home from 6 long years in the military and I just=20 >> cannot wait to get out of this uniform and into my good old..." > > > My mother remade my Dad's Royal Air Force uniforms into shorts and=20 > shirts for my brother in the late 40's or early 50's. and my Dad was=20 > still in the Air Force. > > Thing was, he got promoted to an officer, and all his uniforms had to > be replaced. So there was all this lovely Air Force blue wool going to > waste............................... > > I collect the odd sewing book, and have a lovely wartime book on how=20 > to make do and mend clothes that have moth holes, have shrunk etc. And > I remember wool knit jumpers being unravelled, the wool washed, and=20 > new things made. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Possibly my earliest memory is of unravelling a red wool jumper while watching Princess Anne's (first) wedding on television. I think I would have been about three years old. I remember the red wool - I don't remember anything about the wedding! Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 18:53:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95MrfKo017807 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:53:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95MraSR010618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:53:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95KlTkW082107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:47:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95KlOZ7084043; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l95KlCdf083633 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 44948 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2007 20:47:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fJuvkqvM+vUEq7mwf7PDd0uWX8QtB/GUdpbCtVZlWf0VTIW0S9d7Z37JWJDhszw6GfOwVfk961BWrb+AUu35iSNTOPpsFUzwcKV1MGU2F4K0z+AvjJ0l3eQrU6HoJkA2ir28vewGfsBdqecX3sWjJfXYRMMDMJushJMOHQTwbEY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 03:06 05/10/2007, you wrote: >> Six years!?! It would have been out of style. At least, that's what I >> would >> have claimed! :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:06 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: "repurposed" fabric...repurposing in the 1940s >> >> Still the best book in my collection of sewing and fashion books is the >> 1940s home dressmakers' book by Pocket Books. This little dynamo of >> 100-odd >> pages from a time when a Pocket Book would still fit in a pocket shows a >> dozen different stitches, odd techniques, clever cheats, and gives >> descriptions that are superior to any I have read elsewhere. >> >> The highlight of the book, really, is how to make new things from old >> such >> as the chapter on how to turn your husband's old suit into a stylish new >> outfit for you. >> >> It demonstrates how to dis-assemble the suit and lay a new pattern >> over the >> old pieces and really is a very clever thing. >> >> My only qualm would be the kind of sentence that must have rung out >> across >> the world in 1946: >> >> "Darling, I am home from 6 long years in the military and I just >> cannot wait >> to get out of this uniform and into my good old..." > > > My mother remade my Dad's Royal Air Force uniforms into shorts and > shirts for my brother in the late 40's or early 50's. and my Dad was > still in the Air Force. > > Thing was, he got promoted to an officer, and all his uniforms had to > be replaced. So there was all this lovely Air Force blue wool going to > waste............................... > > I collect the odd sewing book, and have a lovely wartime book on how > to make do and mend clothes that have moth holes, have shrunk etc. And > I remember wool knit jumpers being unravelled, the wool washed, and > new things made. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Possibly my earliest memory is of unravelling a red wool jumper while watching Princess Anne's (first) wedding on television. I think I would have been about three years old. I remember the red wool - I don't remember anything about the wedding! Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 19:10:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NADis018378 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:10:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95NA83C005304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95N960Z004107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95N90MZ062903; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95J0nJW033466 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:00:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail14.att.net ([204.127.135.40]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <200710051900431130054pc3e>; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:00:44 +0000 Received: from [63.241.202.8] by mwebmail14.att.net; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:00:43 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:00:43 +0000 Message-Id: <100520071900.27359.470689DA0009DD4400006ADF21602807480A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] What's your Dressmaker's Dummy Wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: dffe1989-c00c-4637-be8a-67e1337cc6d8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4706C450.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A late Elizabethan wheel farthingale gown which, I begin to hope, may actually be done for the Jamestown Ball in a couple of weeks. Based loosely on the Ditchley portrait, the underdress is done, and an overbodice is coming along, to be attached to an overskirt. Still to do is the neck ruff and, of course, as much trimming as I can get done in whatever amount of time is left. Fortunately the stomacher and sleeves were trimmed prior to assembly. The Jamestown Ball is an 18th century ball to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the Jamestown colony in Virginia, and the invite says to come in any style of the last 400 years, and the earlier the better. The high-gussy Elizabethan style is too early to meet the qualifications, I know, but it is a ball, after all, and authenticity is not the main concern. At the moment, my main concern is how to dance while taking up all that real estate. Jane in Northern Virginia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 19:13:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95ND0ch018445 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:13:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95NCuqH018599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:12:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95NCYr2004568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NCYZj066666; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95JkpYK096814 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:48:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:47:58 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0260A601@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <470682F9.2000109@lavoltapress.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume photos Thread-Index: AcgHfoPDpR0k1nD7QQuwHX/DFq65iwACZ26w From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2007 19:48:03.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[A417A9A0:01C80788] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: b3fa9840-a6b9-4c84-ade1-afb82f84bb61 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4706C4F8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fourth, I've run this business profitably for 14 years. While this is=20 not the first time someone has told me that if I don't change my=20 opinions about copyright, etc.,=20 Fran, I don't think anyone asked you to change your opinions, just to consider other people's feelings in your responses. (Not what they think of you, but how you make them feel.)=20 Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 19:14:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NEtFk018484 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:14:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95NEoMn019727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95NETuN004693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NESde068463; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NEOvt068276 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-Trace: 613873562-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2B-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.72.110.105 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FABdiBkdPSG5p/2dsb2JhbACBWQ Received: from 79-72-110-105.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([79.72.110.105]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2007 00:14:17 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071006001139.03481588@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:14:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s In-Reply-To: <4706A2C1.1000308@yahoo.co.uk> References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <47055D57.70404@reddawn.net> <62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com> <1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au> <011501c806f4$4c59f590$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <7.0.1.0.2.20071005131554.03428470@suziclarke.co.uk> <4706A2C1.1000308@yahoo.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1570fcd9-6b80-4c40-99ef-a3aaaa052068 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4706C56A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lots of snippage < >>>The highlight of the book, really, is how to make new things from old such >>>as the chapter on how to turn your husband's old suit into a stylish new >>>outfit for you. >>> >>>It demonstrates how to dis-assemble the suit and lay a new pattern over the >>>old pieces and really is a very clever thing. >> >>I collect the odd sewing book, and have a lovely wartime book on >>how to make do and mend clothes that have moth holes, have shrunk >>etc. And I remember wool knit jumpers being unravelled, the wool >>washed, and new >Possibly my earliest memory is of unravelling a red wool jumper >while watching Princess Anne's (first) wedding on television. I >think I would have been about three years old. I remember the red >wool - I don't remember anything about the wedding! Totally O.T. That was the day my now husband proposed to me for the first time! Long and silly story should follow, but won't. Suffice it to say we've been married over 30 years! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 19:15:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NFhJ0018510 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:15:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95NFc6F017672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:15:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95NFLRj004846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NFKl1069331; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l95KPrkL054356 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABDSPHP2AJTEDVA for (sender ); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:25:28 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7rgP3RyxSR9pYV8rOC2U0a2HiPPzTfQ/KA== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MZBLJKWP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:24:56 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:52:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Message-ID: <20071005.152410.852.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,9-10,12-13 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 3:5:313478417 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist X-UUID: cc878628-49ab-41fb-84fd-92cabd015ba3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4706C59B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Almost missed this thread -- if the digest topic list is over 50% copyright argument, it's been deleted unread. I'm experimenting with the Tibetan Panel Coat pattern, getting it up to my size. After that, it'll be mainly research for something I want to take to Costume Con in 2010. I don't know yet if I can wear it myself or if I'll have to find a male volunteer, either way I want lots of lead time. (I never wear makeup if I can help it, so making myself up to look like a guy should take 6 months experimentation all by itself. And if I'm mailing fitting muslins to the model .... ) I'm also trying to get the stash better organized. It's been getting a boost recently from a fabric store going-out-of-business sale. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 19:16:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NGU7w018531 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:16:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95NGQ4k008134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:16:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95NG0Gr005023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NFxXl070100; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95M7ubS091414 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c89.15f44241 (14467) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:07:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist X-UUID: ed32a984-ce6a-4dd8-b25d-8e107e03766b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4706C5CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/5/2007 4:48:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk writes: Still the best book in my collection of sewing and fashion books is the >> 1940s home dressmakers' book by Pocket Books. This little dynamo of >> 100-odd >> pages from a time when a Pocket Book would still fit in a pocket shows a >> dozen different stitches, odd techniques, clever cheats, and gives >> descriptions that are superior to any I have read elsewhere. ************** I found a period 40's commercial pattern for sleeves to cut from contrasting fabrics and replace old fashioned sleeves or worn out sleeves of old dresses. These were very clever and also had belts and bags to make out of the "new" fabric so the sleeves didn't look like an add on....though most of the sleeve were cut in one with yokes or some other bits that crept decoratively into the bodice and looked like they belonged there in the 1st place. Like I said... they were very clever. I used one in a new costume I was making for a stage production of a war-time radio broadcast. The dress was a mint green with a print of white and coffee colored leaves. I cut the sleeves of a grosgrain in the coffee color and scattered spherical copper beads on them. Looked great! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 19:31:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NVGQZ018768 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:31:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l95NV85n025509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:31:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l95NUl0c006762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NUkk1086059; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l95NUgMs085857 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2007100523303701200efu3ae>; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:30:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <64C3536E-1DED-4DA3-BF32-D6D7432E901D@earthlink.net> References: <98008dee585dd4bfd0a379560c0637dd@ntw.net> <64C3536E-1DED-4DA3-BF32-D6D7432E901D@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <58b86574c1211e5de6d75d045716f805@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] ancient Egyptian garment Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:30:36 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1e1d557-e375-431b-acf1-fbc543dd3ae2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4706C93C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks Heather and all the rest who responded. I did get the pics and=20= info from one or more of you and was able to share them with my class. Sylvia On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > >> I thought I had saved it but now I can't find the article someone=20 >> posted about an ancient beaded Egyptian dress that was discovered=20 >> some time ago. It included a photo of the garment. I wanted to show=20= >> my class. Anyone have the link, if it still exists? > > There are a couple of dresses (or fragments of dresses) of this type=20= > that I've run across. At the moment I'm away from home, so going off=20= > what's on the computer, it's cited in "Hall 1981" which I think must=20= > be: > > Hall, Rosalind. 1981. "Fishing-net dreses in the Petrie Museum" in =20= > G=F6ttinger Miszellen: 42:36-46. > > But also in: > > Hall, Rosalind. 1986. Egyptian Textiles. Shire Publications,=20 > Aylesbury. ISBN 0-85263-800-0 > > which is more likely to have a color photo. > > Heather > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 20:11:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l960BHbX019684 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:11:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l960BDYO031098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:11:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l960A5je011801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9609x1a023429; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9609soY023330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:09:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (71-214-247-5.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9609rne012525 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:09:53 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200710051229.l95CTeRF094881@net.indra.com> References: <200710051229.l95CTeRF094881@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <0BD009DD-850F-4449-8720-07EE4A6BED87@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:09:51 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4482/Fri Oct 5 16:43:49 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] copyright and copying X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42e11368-e781-4a46-aa99-88ea5b17b63d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4706D2A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In my experience, U.S. libraries are just as strict about notifying patrons as Kinko's is about notifying paying customers. The difference is that the libraries post the legal requirements and then allow the patron to take responsibility for their own actions. (Of course, I still reprimand anyone I catch not following the policy...!) We aren't doing their copying for them; we *do* want them to know the law and abide by it. Suzanne > > From: "Kate M Bunting" > Date: October 5, 2007 3:28:31 AM CDT > To: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > I agree that this discussion has gone on long enough, but... > >> No library determines US copyright law. What you are describing is >> merely the policy of your particular library. > >> Fran > >>> I don't know what Kinko's is, but in a university library copying >>> of a section >>> of a book (1 chapter or 5%) for private study is perfectly legal. >> >>> Kate Bunting >>> Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian >>> University of Derby > > Being in the UK, ours observes British copyright law! Sorry if I > confused the issue. > > Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 20:34:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l960YWU7020179 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:34:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l960YSQg004989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l960XwC0014503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l960Xufl047682; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:33:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.74]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l960Xso0047564 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42436 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 00:33:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vujrhPzzgCH3LI6UBieum6U3yFzeqYmGFTIQxFvjAEII/9PxP62HUbFxo7yhmKZHZ7E3B4HxZsDe5Up1rQzosf3hsW25ngPUjsDqEfbCqFh6ujqWqr5tY6zPhongtT1luhOYV2R9/ADA6w5dXK7btfcCqxkgeuVABQDn9id/p1E=; X-YMail-OSG: 9x9tgDEVM1lC8CTmxwgs4vNT.t4DsMXxyCbsa0.S_wf3D_cuKNd_G3tzhw.049EK7HHmNSLIu3BXxZazLvDe44g0eprD3oog7S3TeCwBoybUxAVhcE6cxlwmaPh5Tg-- Received: from [71.223.72.149] by web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:33:48 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <470682F9.2000109@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <87112.42167.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 18bd2be6-cff5-4524-9f6c-99b9824121c2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4706D814.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran - I am sure you write very knowledgable books. It is obvious from your posts that you are an expert at everything you undertake. I am familiar with you from several costume related groups and I'm afraid I must say your expert attitude is indeed a turn-off. You publish books relating to the era that I am involved in, but because of your personality I am afraid I will never purchase one of your books. I suppose that will be my loss. However, there are many more authors out there putting out books I am sure are as good, if not better than yours. But I am sure you disagree with anyone else's books being better than yours. I don't think anyone is asking you to be nicey nice. Some common courtesy would, however, be nice. Just because someone has a different opinion on something, you don't need to treat them as if they are stupid. This could have been a really good, interesting discussion. Cactus Lavolta Press wrote: Beteena Paradise wrote: > Yes, that is quite obvious. However, as a business owner you might > consider that the people on this list are your target consumers. It is > a well known fact that consumers often purchase where they feel they > are treated respectfully. I know I have switched dry cleaners not > because of how my clothes were cleaned (both did an admirable job > there), but because of their customer service. You may be alienating > many people who would have otherwise purchased your goods. Sorry, that club for controlling me doesn’t work. First, my social participation on an e-mail list has nothing to do with customer service. I’m not obliged to run my entire life, change my opinions, insert ridiculous “IMHO” statements and smiley faces all over my emails, etc., on the basis of whether someone, someday, might, maybe, possibly, buy something from me. Second, 99.9% of my books are sold through book industry wholesalers, meaning that I almost never sell directly to consumers, and not even that often to retailers. The customer service that consumers receive from the retailers, who in turn buy from those wholesalers, has nothing whatever to do with me. Third, no one who is seriously interested in doing research or gaining information buys books on the basis of whether they know or like the author. What counts is the content of the books. Anyone not at all interested in gaining information on the subjects I write on won’t buy them anyway. Fourth, I’ve run this business profitably for 14 years. While this is not the first time someone has told me that if I don’t change my opinions about copyright, etc., they won’t buy my books (usually someone interested in such a different era from any I’ve yet published on, that they wouldn’t buy them anyway), I have yet to notice the slightest impact whatever on sales. I have my sales figures, you don’t. Sine I’ve managed to run an increasingly profitable business for 14 years while still having the same personality, I doubt it has any negative impact on my business. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume test'; "> --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 21:45:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l961jdAM021477 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:45:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l961jZ8N012802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l961iE6X022936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l961i93S007843; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l961i60N007799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:44:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.62] (dial-209-148-113-62.sonic.net [209.148.113.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l961i3fi016327 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: <4706E866.5020408@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:44:06 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos References: <87112.42167.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <87112.42167.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a84d1a8-3ea1-42f4-b0ef-49414c0413e5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4706E8BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Can’t you guys just let a flame war die—-instead of inventing statements I never made, and lobbing repeated personal insults, and then make me run around publicly denying them? I’ve worked in publishing for 24 years, and I have several thousand books in my personal library. I own every competitive book on the market: And furthermore, I’ve recommended numerous other books in my bibliographies, etc. If you’re going to accuse me of something, try for a fact. But: OK, I’m assertive, aggressive, abrasive, an atheist, and everything that begins with an A. I’m a nickel-plated bitch (I can’t think of anything else right now that begins with a B. And I love every single minute of it. But at least, I don’t write hate mail, either publicly or privately, or try to destroy personal reputations, or try to harm businesses, to prove how much nicer, kinder, politer, more popular, more conformist, more appropriately feminine, or more a member of an e-list clique, etc. I am. Now, I really do have better things to do than answer repeated insults and invented statements. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com However, there are many more authors out there putting out books I am sure are as good, if not better than yours. But I am sure you disagree with anyone else's books being better than yours. I don't think anyone is asking you to be nicey nice. Some common courtesy would, however, be nice. Just because someone has a different opinion on something, you don't need to treat them as if they are stupid. Shirley Hobbs wrote: > Fran - > > I am sure you write very knowledgable books. It is obvious from your posts that you are an expert at everything you undertake. I am familiar with you from several costume related groups and I'm afraid I must say your expert attitude is indeed a turn-off. You publish books relating to the era that I am involved in, but because of your personality I am afraid I will never purchase one of your books. I suppose that will be my loss. However, there are many more authors out there putting out books I am sure are as good, if not better than yours. But I am sure you disagree with anyone else's books being better than yours. I don't think anyone is asking you to be nicey nice. Some common courtesy would, however, be nice. Just because someone has a different opinion on something, you don't need to treat them as if they are stupid. This could have been a really good, interesting discussion. > > Cactus > > Lavolta Press wrote: > > > Beteena Paradise wrote: > > >>Yes, that is quite obvious. However, as a business owner you might > > > consider that the people on this list are your target consumers. It is > > a well known fact that consumers often purchase where they feel they > > are treated respectfully. I know I have switched dry cleaners not > > because of how my clothes were cleaned (both did an admirable job > > there), but because of their customer service. You may be alienating > > many people who would have otherwise purchased your goods. > > Sorry, that club for controlling me doesn’t work. > > First, my social participation on an e-mail list has nothing to do with > customer service. I’m not obliged to run my entire life, change my > opinions, insert ridiculous “IMHO” statements and smiley faces all over > my emails, etc., on the basis of whether someone, someday, might, maybe, > possibly, buy something from me. Second, 99.9% of my books are sold > through book industry wholesalers, meaning that I almost never sell > directly to consumers, and not even that often to retailers. The > customer service that consumers receive from the retailers, who in turn > buy from those wholesalers, has nothing whatever to do with me. Third, > no one who is seriously interested in doing research or gaining > information buys books on the basis of whether they know or like the > author. What counts is the content of the books. Anyone not at all > interested in gaining information on the subjects I write on won’t buy > them anyway. > > Fourth, I’ve run this business profitably for 14 years. While this is > not the first time someone has told me that if I don’t change my > opinions about copyright, etc., they won’t buy my books (usually someone > interested in such a different era from any I’ve yet published on, that > they wouldn’t buy them anyway), I have yet to notice the slightest > impact whatever on sales. I have my sales figures, you don’t. Sine I’ve > managed to run an increasingly profitable business for 14 years while > still having the same personality, I doubt it has any negative impact on > my business. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > test'; "> > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 21:49:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l961ntBP021556 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:49:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l961njDd017473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:49:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l961nQWc023846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l961nP7X013392; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l961nLPB013327 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41DE135584 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:49:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-248.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-248.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.248]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:49:22 +1000 Message-ID: <1191635362.4706e9a24b665@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:49:22 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv><47055D57.70404@reddawn.net><62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com><1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au><011501c806f4$4c59f590$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> <7.0.1.0.2.20071005131554.03428470@suziclarke.co.uk> <027b01c8075e$bee3f5b0$0300a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <027b01c8075e$bee3f5b0$0300a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6690d02d-8711-4ba5-bf51-208fdbdb3da8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4706E9BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > I just gave away the last bits of Air Force wool from my dad's uniforms. He > retired in 1974. I remember my mother and I both having suits made from > that wool. > Melusine Jeeze, I hope you kept the patches and insignia, I have boxes of the things. One day, one day... -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 22:01:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96214jZ021676 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:01:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96210RV000497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:01:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9620KPr025000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9620J6M022650; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9620Ge7022538 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=r5j5+SrJzV4EccztYTqvMUEl7pZh0ATk+u3bAkY3Fqtyle3//TQVjlKdXflROAVz; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.252.129] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Idyxe-0006sw-M7 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:00:10 -0400 Message-ID: <037101c807bc$c8f45140$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <47054013.6070800@reddawn.net><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7D7@lynx.campus.muc.prv><47055D57.70404@reddawn.net><62C0A8EC-3BAA-4776-8766-9E63B21FBBC1@bovil.com><1191539136.470571c05f726@webmail.netspace.net.au><011501c806f4$4c59f590$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom><7.0.1.0.2.20071005131554.03428470@suziclarke.co.uk><027b01c8075e$bee3f5b0$0300a8c0@boris> <1191635362.4706e9a24b665@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Repurposing" fabric in the 1940s Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:01:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48c832f8f2c1fe27ad78fe938247d7190519c9e15d1c7c699c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.252.129 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17ce021d-f4e5-4719-876a-49d91358edff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4706EC5C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> >> I just gave away the last bits of Air Force wool from my dad's uniforms. >> He retired in 1974. I remember my mother and I both having suits made >> from that wool. >> Melusine > > Jeeze, I hope you kept the patches and insignia, I have boxes of the > things. > One day, one day... > > -C. No, what I had was just the fabric. The patches and his actual uniforms were in his storage unit when the facility burned. He and my step-mother were full-time RV'ing, so they and the animals were fine, but they lost everything that wasn't in the motorhome, including family heirlooms. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 22:25:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962Pi0X022303 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:25:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l962PeHW031674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:25:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l962PEuP027328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962PC8w043157; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962P8KS043091 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1448895083 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:25:08 -0500 Message-ID: <05b201c807c0$244ab450$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <87112.42167.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4706E866.5020408@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:25:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56417524-b68b-4c6e-9345-93bd47b3d1fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4706F224.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Look in the mirror. sheesh. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 22:33:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962XCcX022518 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:33:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l962X8Bq012351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:33:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l962Wro9028500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962WpCN049854; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962WmqE049718 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:32:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:34:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C807C1.5AF16233" Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:33:17 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7E9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7E9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] costume photos Thread-Index: AcgHwGY5Yh+v7w5GQFid0qyMGB8a+AAANpZb References: <87112.42167.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4706E866.5020408@lavoltapress.com> <05b201c807c0$244ab450$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2007 02:34:02.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B8032F0:01C807C1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50a71823-2e71-410d-a8a1-4e31bfcc2b96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4706F3E4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C807C1.5AF16233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can we all just pull up our big girl pants and move on? =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Land of Oz Sent: Fri 10/5/2007 10:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos > Can't you guys just let a flame war die--instead of inventing = statements I > never made, and lobbing repeated personal insults, and then make me = run > around publicly denying them? "_make me_" ??!?? My kids are 13 and 15 and they quit saying "he made = me" about 5 years ago. How old are you? **Who** can't let it die? Look in the mirror. sheesh. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C807C1.5AF16233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C807C1.5AF16233-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 22:43:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962hSVn023166 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:43:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l962hOg3012402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:43:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l962gst2029378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962grF8057703; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l962go64057649 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B527000C0 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 22:41:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200710042201.30319.cathy@thyrsus.com> <013801c806f9$83681940$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <013801c806f9$83681940$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710052241.02474.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ba8eb40-004a-4720-a9a2-9c81463b376a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4706F64C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thursday 04 October 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: > Thanks! I never thought of Dover. They do have tons of clip art books, and also works which are reprints in the strict sense. And they have a website! I believe its doverpublications.com. Good luck with your class! -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 5 23:04:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96346Fg023909 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:04:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9633xFs011417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9632wZT032275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9632trc074299; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9632qIF074253 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so1606103pyi for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=uOQFizrnqT2i0Maz/DhkG2lQb8paWJEwW1LpTugbGNo=; b=giLPrGVmXTHyqqsV+dYH5hfdC62k4U/D5Dfx7coiSz4KMKQlPvTMV5iUIkYO5SEbkAgzcTLqNbPHapDon3SzLeNLWtVJa2TSPBn5N1xh5GZca/rmHn4/YAFBlsGBpkWExb//ltcAOXGah1OwLMV/Yh4611Mo+C7AbFwBHe7Np1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ZjyAZtXSUEx8LidrIg/p3LGW3k+CpX4huvQ6UrmJ7pWkcdJiNTcu0/rM1Dcoh2wFrvXqqiBdR2RtesrGwgIqzMhgDCNCm1Vjpm6D4ItICYbmtiyupP7kIMB1wPwMF0/l9NWA+mqrq58AJuVhazRNaHBgjpViFda9OFMV48NDTDg= Received: by 10.65.150.18 with SMTP id c18mr17790054qbo.1191639771450; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e10sm2528919qbe.2007.10.05.20.02.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <027801c807c5$6116e020$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0260A12F@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <985cb39efdd4daf8da1ab0d5b488bd8f@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:02:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5aa9d177-deb8-4505-bc0c-a7a9bff30f0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4706FB20.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, if you've been on that list any length of time, you'll probably have noticed that Fran *is* harsh. Personnally, I just delete her emails. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" >I agree. Can we not try to insult one another and start flame wars? > > Sylrob > > On Oct 4, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: > >> Wow - that was harsh! >> >> Patty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 01:53:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l965r2mQ027430 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:53:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l965qwsD032352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:53:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l965pkGP048924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l965pfbh012924; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:51:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l965paqW012831 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:51:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD4113B0B7 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:51:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:51:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dfc0aa4c-69b6-4b1c-a296-5aac3d2e2051 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470722BA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO 1830 info. http://www.connerprairie.org/historyonline/clothing.html AFAIK, they had layers of petticoats and not hoops. http://www.fashion-era.com/romantic_era.htm#The%20Underwear  Men/paperdoll 1830 http://www.fancyephemera.com/historicalfashion.html#1830sbeau 1830 wedding gowns http://www.fancyephemera.com/bridepage2.html#BEAUTIFUL%20GOWNS Fashion plates http://weddingdressesgallery.com/?cat=9 Gown http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm Scroll down to the pink gown http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm Or were you wanting 1930s? De -----Original Message----- Barbara Marien said>And for myself? Before the idea of a wedding in historical costumes came up, I had already fallen in love with burda pattern 8199 (http://www.burdamode.com/Brautmode,1270778-1128998-1005430-1157072,deDE.htm l; or, with English text: http://www.fjoelner.dk/vismonster.asp?vare=6834&la=uk&uart=167) which to my eyes seems delightfully eclectic and for that very reason not historic, but modern. I see 'medieval' in it (sleeves), 'modern' (bare shoulders) and '1930s' (slim, straight line)... any more opinions? But how will that match an 1830s mens' suit? But I'm not going to make something 1830s for myself -- for fun, yes, not for my wedding. Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Or a tango. Dancing is a big thing for both of us. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 10:55:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96EtEI5027122 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:55:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Et9Pq018959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:55:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96Es2kV017777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96ErvXU001148; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:53:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l96ADbKx038825 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 04:13:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 98710 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 10:13:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6hzpP4MVM1nHpBBsGRZlw5oysKXw1u53tXtg6DVDlPmAbjtW9CdBClLGjlxos0TFpO6cm2wmUibzHmssyWA.ALATnJD3WSIJiuOpZuQz1RL170taDWw- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:13:32 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise To: Historical Costume , h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com In-Reply-To: <027801c807c5$6116e020$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list is supposed to be about. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 8467e452-4a29-4233-a189-94b3be718e2b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4707A1CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The problem is not that Fran is harsh... Fran can be whatever she chooses. It's her life and her kharma. The problem is that Fran is harsh to people in a public forum to such an extent that she has a reputation that people should avoid her at all costs. Her harshness has led to people leaving e-lists of topics they enjoy. Her cop-out of telling us to use a filter is not acceptable. I shouldn't have to filter out someone because they cannot come up with the common decency to behave in a manner accepted by the society in which she is travelling. In this case, that society is this e-list. Clearly as a group we find her behavior unacceptable. She should either put on HER big girl pants and save her venom for those in her real life who can choose to walk away. We, as a group, joined this list to talk about HISTORIC COSTUME... not to have to listen to a bitter woman call people thieves and trolls. Perhaps she should make a list called FRAN and then she can talk about anything she wants in a manner that she chooses and anyone who wants to participate can join that list. Now my personal rant is over and I prefer to return to talking about historic costumes so that is what I am going to do. For example... I am considering a German gown similar to Duchess Katherine von Mecklenburg. http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach55.html The yellow looks like a damask to my eyes. Do you think it is? Or is it embroidery? Stamped velvelt? If I do it in a decent weight damask (I already have a nice golden yellow cotton damask), do you think that a silk velvet would have enough body to it to work right with the damask? Or would something else work better? Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: Well, if you've been on that list any length of time, you'll probably have noticed that Fran *is* harsh. Personnally, I just delete her emails. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 12:27:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GRVfS030530 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:27:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96GRLpJ007557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:27:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96GQAx4036518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GQ63M003142; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33913.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33913.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l96GQ3so003007 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wildthangstreasures@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15217 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 16:25:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vaW9oNEtPJw10cLB4Ryr9BjItfm5/sUwlgot2G+KNQwcOWPVzw1pLyhLxwSlfG52LqSMvpXER2fK2tArxHZXEcyTrf2h+NIHZDfbxZdfW36G7mYRaqoMV6wzxTWTlfHSOVHykonj5ycGSpO2pbiewM1bHh+yUq5BZtV6dhoOMqs=; X-YMail-OSG: 7JwIkrIVM1lxURauRITZ4RnrIffaxHGM8HGrQhQAXFPya8GGHhD27gJRauzRtKOQKGv2gMCLufx49FVdzBWORtpSIg-- Received: from [72.213.199.113] by web33913.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:25:57 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wild Thang's Treasures" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list is supposed to be about. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <150314.14834.qm@web33913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61f52279-d562-4f7b-a5fc-23487f9bfd96 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4707B769.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO AMEN! Now back to the beautiful gown. Looks like damask to me. http://www.myspace.com/wildthangstreasures http://blog.myspace.com/wildthangstreasures http://groups.myspace.com/wildthangstreasures Beteena Paradise wrote: The problem is not that Fran is harsh... Fran can be whatever she chooses. It's her Lady Von http://www.wildthangstreasures.com http://groups.myspace.com/wildthangstreasures --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 12:35:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GZmpw030917 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:35:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96GZhEY017294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:35:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96GZSJp038014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GZR6n014058; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GZOfg013878 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W39 ([65.55.133.74]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:35:19 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.217.161.185] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost]How about "shunning"?(Was Enough!!!!!.....) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:35:18 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <027801c807c5$6116e020$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2007 16:35:19.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1E226D0:01C80836] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 968b4396-10a7-4c0b-a9cb-c9faa5d1b6e9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4707B960.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 I find it interesting that you mention karma because this type of conundrum= has come up on several of my (very diverse) lists recently. Perhaps it is= coming around as it was going around.=20 At any rate, while I agree with you that Fran takes unacceptable libertie= s (ie. name calling and belittling) in her communications with others on th= is list, I am a believer in the right to free speech. There are even times= when I enjoy what she has to say (for example, retrospectives on past fash= ions). The best solution would be if she cared enough to study and learn po= lite behavior, second best would be to take rants off list.The third soluti= on if the above fail is not to engage in struggle with her, which is what m= any of us already do with filters, etc. In the old days it was called "shu= nning" and is quite effective, especially over the internet where we can wa= lk away even more effectively than in person. In modified form, it is a ti= me-honored parenting technique. =20 My two cents, Laurie (mother of 4) =20 > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:13:32 -0700> From: beteena@mostlymedieval.com> T= o: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com> CC: > Subject: [h-c= ost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list is supposed to be abou= t.> > The problem is not that Fran is harsh... Fran can be whatever she cho= oses. It's her life and her kharma. The problem is that Fran is harsh to pe= ople in a public forum to such an extent that she has a reputation that peo= ple should avoid her at all costs. Her harshness has led to people leaving = e-lists of topics they enjoy. Her cop-out of telling us to use a filter is = not acceptable. I shouldn't have to filter out someone because they cannot = come up with the common decency to behave in a manner accepted by the socie= ty in which she is travelling. In this case, that society is this e-list. C= learly as a group we find her behavior unacceptable. She should either put = on HER big girl pants and save her venom for those in her real life who can= choose to walk away. We, as a group, joined this list to talk about HISTOR= IC COSTUME... not to have to listen to a bitter woman call people thieves a= nd trolls. Perhaps she should make a list called FRAN and then she can talk= about anything she> wants in a manner that she chooses and anyone who want= s to participate can join that list.>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 12:35:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GZp5s030923 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:35:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96GZksL028286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:35:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96GZSQf038013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GZRKo014055; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GZNd4013848 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071006163517.SLAE26806.fep32.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:35:17 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.56]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071006163345.EEGH13366.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:33:45 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c80836$e2773ae0$3814a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <100520071900.27359.470689DA0009DD4400006ADF21602807480A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your Dressmaker's Dummy Wearing? Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:35:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.56] at Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:33:36 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8016e1f9-809e-4a6c-b23d-c6e5ccdec5d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4707B962.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Please let us have some photos to see, screeeam! out loud Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Pease" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your Dressmaker's Dummy Wearing? >A late Elizabethan wheel farthingale gown which, I begin to hope, may >actually be done for the Jamestown Ball in a couple of weeks. Based >loosely on the Ditchley portrait, the underdress is done, and an overbodice >is coming along, to be attached to an overskirt. Still to do is the neck >ruff and, of course, as much trimming as I can get done in whatever amount >of time is left. Fortunately the stomacher and sleeves were trimmed prior >to assembly. > > The Jamestown Ball is an 18th century ball to celebrate the 400th > anniversary of the Jamestown colony in Virginia, and the invite says to > come in any style of the last 400 years, and the earlier the better. The > high-gussy Elizabethan style is too early to meet the qualifications, I > know, but it is a ball, after all, and authenticity is not the main > concern. At the moment, my main concern is how to dance while taking up > all that real estate. > > Jane in Northern Virginia > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 12:37:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96GbWRA030980 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:37:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96GbSTV029031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:37:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96Et7BS018075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Et6uJ002570; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-m06.mx.aol.com (imr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96DRPqm009176 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 07:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.72]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-247078d2725d; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:27:03 -0400 Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c1a.239d617d (48576) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:11:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.72 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87e9026e-0a19-4f44-9644-cec55ecec6ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4707B9C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. **************** Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 12:38:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Gchaj031012 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:38:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Gcdju029744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:38:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96Gb8kM038463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Gb7KZ016594; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Gb2Rj016298 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:37:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.0.184] Received: from [75.46.0.184] (adsl-75-46-0-184.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.0.184]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l96GZhGU005292 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:35:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B7DFBE5-5CB7-4179-B1B1-4852883D819B@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:37:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German gown damask X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1bd3b6c1-8ea7-4a05-a8a4-84334dc423a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4707BA0F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 6, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: > > The yellow looks like a damask to my eyes. Do you think it is? Or > is it embroidery? Stamped velvelt? If I do it in a decent weight > damask (I already have a nice golden yellow cotton damask), do you > think that a silk velvet would have enough body to it to work right > with the damask? Or would something else work better? The yellow could also be a figured cloth-of-gold. Silk velvet (or what's called silk velvet today) is too limp to behave well in this context, but it's possible that you could underline it with something to stiffen it up. It would be tricky to control the layers, since the velvet will want to crawl out the door when you try to sew it. If you do want to try this, I'd recommend first hand-basting the velvet to the underlining along all of the stitching lines, then hand- basting the underlined pieces to the rest before you sew it on the machine. Even better would be hand-sewing the whole thing, as you can control it much more easily that way. Best would be padstitching the velvet to the underlining, then hand-sewing the whole thing...how much time have you got?? Good luck, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 13:39:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96HdABL000596 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:39:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Hd6LT000829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:39:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96HbwiJ048731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Hbsrb081583; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.110]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Hbpkk081482 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.74]) by bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:37:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:37:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.32.255.154 by BAY106-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:37:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.32.255.154] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list issupposed to be about. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:37:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:37:41 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2007 17:37:46.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B4A5180:01C8083F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6542f6e1-2027-4a42-a993-44b83ce59d02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4707C83A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I absolutely agreed with everything you said, and the brocade gown looks = lovely. I think your idea of silk velvet is probably a good idea. I = think anything heavier would not give you the same look as the painting = and would definitely affect the flow of the gown. I can't wait to see = it when you're finished--be sure to post pictures. LuAnn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Beteena Paradise=20 To: Historical Costume ; = h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:13 AM Subject: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list = issupposed to be about. The problem is not that Fran is harsh... Fran can be whatever she = chooses. It's her life and her kharma. The problem is that Fran is harsh = to people in a public forum to such an extent that she has a reputation = that people should avoid her at all costs. Her harshness has led to = people leaving e-lists of topics they enjoy. Her cop-out of telling us = to use a filter is not acceptable. I shouldn't have to filter out = someone because they cannot come up with the common decency to behave in = a manner accepted by the society in which she is travelling. In this = case, that society is this e-list. Clearly as a group we find her = behavior unacceptable. She should either put on HER big girl pants and = save her venom for those in her real life who can choose to walk away. = We, as a group, joined this list to talk about HISTORIC COSTUME... not = to have to listen to a bitter woman call people thieves and trolls. = Perhaps she should make a list called FRAN and then she can talk about = anything she wants in a manner that she chooses and anyone who wants to = participate can join that list. =20 Now my personal rant is over and I prefer to return to talking about = historic costumes so that is what I am going to do. For example... I = am considering a German gown similar to Duchess Katherine von = Mecklenburg. = http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach55.html =20 The yellow looks like a damask to my eyes. Do you think it is? Or is = it embroidery? Stamped velvelt? If I do it in a decent weight damask (I = already have a nice golden yellow cotton damask), do you think that a = silk velvet would have enough body to it to work right with the damask? = Or would something else work better? Audrey Bergeron-Morin = > wrote: Well, if you've been on that list any length of time, you'll = probably have=20 noticed that Fran *is* harsh. Personnally, I just delete her emails. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 13:40:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96HelmB000645 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:40:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96HegmN002914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:40:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96HeRP8049086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96HeQVx084073; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96HeMgc083906 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.75]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:40:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.32.255.154 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:40:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.32.255.154] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:40:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:40:18 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2007 17:40:16.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5136530:01C8083F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f91ebb5a-d2d6-4812-bf0f-903f3f360445 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4707C89A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're = using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way = around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more = accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the = back and b) more importantly, has a "break" in the hooping along the = front. That "gap" (for lack of a better word) is the key to = maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS = of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. LuAnn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 otsisto@socket.net writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that.=20 **************** =20 =20 Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. ************************************** See what's new at = http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 13:43:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96HhgrZ000750 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:43:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Hhccc029819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:43:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96HhLPj049345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96HhK7P087044; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96HhH8x086990 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:43:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.28.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.28]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IeDgJ-0005VU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:43:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <027801c807c5$6116e020$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: [h-cost]The last word? Re: [h-cost]How about "shunning"?(Was Enough!!!!!.....) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:45:25 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69b2b102-86df-4ea8-b96d-19a4e4ad5bb5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4707C94A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The trouble with clashes over manners, personalities, or offenses is that each of those involved wants to have the last word in the argument, whether it be a final word of self-defense or a final word of accusation or justification. But getting the last word is impossible if everybody wants it. I enjoy this list because so many knowledgeable and artistic and dedicated people are so willing to share their knowledge, experience, and perspective, not only with the equally knowledgeable or equally educated or equally professional but also with the curious, the neophyte, the self-taught, and the amateur. I have benefited at one time or another from postings by almost everybody else on this list, including Fran. I'd like the REAL last word to be: let's just stop going on about this sort of thing. If someone posts information that is inaccurate or only one part of the story, of course others should correct or add to the information. If someone posts an idea or opinion about the kinds of things this List properly addresses, then of course others should chime in. But if someone makes a remark that others consider inappropriate, can't we just shrug, murmur to ourselves "oh, there she (or he) goes again" (or even "what a jackass"), and then let the thing die on the vine? If someone wants to stop reading someone else's posts, isn't that an individual decision not necessary to announce? If someone wants to get into a personal dispute, can't it be done using personal e-mail addresses? If I want to open h-cost messages in order to learn about costume, fashion, sewing techniques, and other related subjects (the copyrights discussion was very interesting and very useful to me...for awhile...), shouldn't I be able to do that without having to guess which of 60 messages on a subject are worthwhile to me and which are merely angry or defensive people trying to have the last word? That, at least, is my "last word." PLEASE, no need to comment on it! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 6, 2007, at 12:35 PM, zelda crusher wrote: > > > I find it interesting that you mention karma because this type of > conundrum has come up on several of my (very diverse) lists > recently. Perhaps it is coming around as it was going around. > At any rate, while I agree with you that Fran takes unacceptable > liberties (ie. name calling and belittling) in her communications > with others on this list, I am a believer in the right to free > speech. There are even times when I enjoy what she has to say (for > example, retrospectives on past fashions). The best solution would > be if she cared enough to study and learn polite behavior, second > best would be to take rants off list.The third solution if the > above fail is not to engage in struggle with her, which is what > many of us already do with filters, etc. In the old days it was > called "shunning" and is quite effective, especially over the > internet where we can walk away even more effectively than in > person. In modified form, it is a time-honored parenting technique. > > My two cents, > Laurie (mother of 4) > >> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:13:32 -0700> From: >> beteena@mostlymedieval.com> To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume- >> owner@mail.indra.com> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and >> a return to what this list is supposed to be about.> > The problem >> is not that Fran is harsh... Fran can be whatever she chooses. >> It's her life and her kharma. The problem is that Fran is harsh to >> people in a public forum to such an extent that she has a >> reputation that people should avoid her at all costs. Her >> harshness has led to people leaving e-lists of topics they enjoy. >> Her cop-out of telling us to use a filter is not acceptable. I >> shouldn't have to filter out someone because they cannot come up >> with the common decency to behave in a manner accepted by the >> society in which she is travelling. In this case, that society is >> this e-list. Clearly as a group we find her behavior unacceptable. >> She should either put on HER big girl pants and save her venom for >> those in her real life who can choose to walk away. We, as a >> group, joined this list to talk about HISTORIC COSTUME... not to >> have to listen to a bitter woman call people thieves and trolls. >> Perhaps she should make a list called FRAN and then she can talk >> about anything she> wants in a manner that she chooses and anyone >> who wants to participate can join that list.> > _________________________________________________________________ > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! > http://www.reallivemoms.com? > ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us_______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 14:07:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96I7ICT001674 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:07:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96I7EHn022003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:07:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96I6ACO051965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96I68LL009374; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96I64nI009304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.75] (dial-209-148-113-75.sonic.net [209.148.113.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l96I60Z3030635 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:06:03 -0700 Message-ID: <4707CE8A.2010106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:06:02 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list is supposed to be about. References: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8913459-d974-453e-b9dc-dff22f56b0c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4707CED2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Beteena Paradise wrote: > The problem is not that Fran is harsh... Fran can be whatever she chooses. It's her life and her kharma. You are absolutely right. I DO do exactly what I want, whether I want to be "nice" or not--which is what seems to annoy people like you. This is why, on this and h-needlework, you’re hoping to make me cringe by the awful threat of not buying a book. It’s not that I’m not “nice”—your screaming uncontrollably and to hundreds of people about how much you dislike someone you’re never met, and with whom you interacted directly for the first time two weeks ago (see below), baldly lying about “people leaving lists,” calling names like “bitter woman,” urging me to go away, and trying to get everyone else to join in on “let’s kick Fran out, we don’t want her in our little costuming clique!” is hardly “polite.” Beteena, you already publicly screamed at me in the course of a recent copyright discussion on the historic needlework list—just because you disagreed with my views. And already tried all the same tricks of trying to jerk my chain by threatening not to buy my books, etc., etc. _Your_ cop out of “If I don’t like someone they should just automatically go away from wherever I happen to want to be” is not acceptable. Mature people get over the idea that there are some people in many public situations—co-workers, club members, e-list members, even their relatives--whom they dislike. They learn to live with it. I mean, you dislike me. So what. Big deal. Who cares. So, as long as you quit attacking me, and getting your friends to join in more public or private hate-mail campaigns, I won’t attack you. So now I’ll make the usual statement to end a flame to try and convince everyone I didn’t write it at all, or to justify everything I said earlier, because I was really only interested in costuming all along—just like several Beteena and several other people on this forum. Here goes: Let’s get back to costuming! See, I said it too! Oh, right, guess I have to come up with a topic now, one to prove that I really make costumes; since people are always trying to assert that I really don’t sew, or that I’m not really interested in costuming--with no evidence to prove either of course, and plenty to the contrary. Let’s see: Well, what I’ve been doing, in the relatively scant time I get off staring at a monitor (I can’t sew _all_ day because I have to work), is I bought some tank dresses off Dharma Trading, which were extra-long on me because I’m short. I dyed them, put U-shaped bias-binding casings up each side, and ran a drawstring up each. Voila, an exact duplicate of an expensive designer “parachute” tank dress I saw on a website. I’d like to provide links to both, but both have been taken off the site. Pity, because in California at least, tank dresses do very well as jumpers this time of year. Basically, being short has been a real advantage to me recently. The other thing I’ve been doing, and that anyone can do if they wish, is to shorten long, full skirts that are too long by “swagging” them. It’s sort of the same principle as making a tuck, only you don’t sew it down. I put the skirt on a dress form and figure out where to put the “tuck” so I get something that looks nicely “swagged,” and of course I also figure out how deep to make the “tuck.” I sew a row of buttons all round, towards the bottom of the skirt, about a foot apart, or somewhat less. Then I sew button loops lower down, which of course go over the buttons. Of course the loops can be unbuttoned whenever you want the skirt longer and straighter, giving you two style options. Only since I’ve been using it as a hemming method, I don’t. I’ve “parachuted” a couple of skirts to shorten them too, like the tank dresses above. The other thing I’ve done, is shorten skirts by pleating them at the bottom. You can do this at intervals too, to get a “swagged” effect, only it’s permanent. I really like doing alterations, and “fixing things up.” It has a problem-solving aspect that appeals to me. I especially like it when I can make the garment look better than it did at first, as well as fitting better. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 14:14:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96IEhsg001935 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:14:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96IEdoX013513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:14:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96IELMS053853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:14:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96IEKFb018382; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l96IEGuH018246 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 71728 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 18:14:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cj7Wv_MVM1kJc7Jbvq9IRLoTC29whjLxaolqvAFOwENQikQpRj9eDjf0LlgN5RvSdrjfhmDNfA-- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:14:10 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list is supposed to be about. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4707CE8A.2010106@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <187713.71299.qm@web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d5b5603-44c3-4825-89a9-ad80a7e9cdbf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4707D08F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Lavolta Press wrote: Beteena, you already publicly screamed at me in the course of a recent copyright discussion on the historic needlework list—just because you disagreed with my views. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 14:15:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96IFSBn001972 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:15:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96IFOuM022203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:15:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96IF9en053911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96IF8Ag019160; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96IF3ld019061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:15:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.75] (dial-209-148-113-75.sonic.net [209.148.113.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l96IF2E0030995 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:15:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4707D0A8.4030808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:15:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]How about "shunning"?(Was Enough!!!!!.....) References: <027801c807c5$6116e020$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a58172d7-bd87-44b7-a98d-60913a418a2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4707D0BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 14:55:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96It2Ol003233 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:55:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96IswkJ000957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:55:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96Irop0061220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:53:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96IrmtV061428; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l96Irhqg061257 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shirleyjhobbs@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13332 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 18:53:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3IH/7HANI7b+Tot1xkAdTH+x883+8XkyodiNpgb4NvQXJodYSF/Nsh4JTkz2k0TvTRMNzmvFHrGLlveGk6xyLgSAE7mZ7fsOzwB8LUAg28hJKf50hZD/qku33qgSCd6bFITdOhmMn0/z1+OZlihBrY1Wr0oFw+KI9wqDibm46vc=; X-YMail-OSG: BTCj8pMVM1lV8yBdjJy3o_MZmb5DMAOrELUpMMr8FGe6xZPxsJrhqrm.7aCrnu6v2EpL4vTYK8tLUj1D_EZgNE5YnqqyGOmbvP2EOK_gbPTGcHtNHvwveQqu2fI7pg-- Received: from [71.223.72.149] by web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:53:37 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Shirley Hobbs Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list is supposed to be about. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <118472.13321.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fbd82c8-e1d9-41fb-9109-a694eed6ed2f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4707DA02.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It does indeed look like damask to me, also, but I'm not an expert. Also, the second red "stripe" - it looks to me like it's been laid over the damask and "reverse appliqued" (design cut out of the red and stitched rather than the yellow being applied on top of the red). What do you think? It's a beautiful gown and hope to see pics of the finished product. Shirley Beteena Paradise wrote: ... I am considering a German gown similar to Duchess Katherine von Mecklenburg. http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach55.html The yellow looks like a damask to my eyes. Do you think it is? Or is it embroidery? Stamped velvelt? If I do it in a decent weight damask (I already have a nice golden yellow cotton damask), do you think that a silk velvet would have enough body to it to work right with the damask? Or would something else work better? test'; "> --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 15:22:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JMQ5h004075 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:22:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96JMMbG015288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96JLq2o065393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:21:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JLpCH091923; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JLl27091792 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:21:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from needlethread96@aol.co.uk) Received: from needlethread96@aol.co.uk by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cbd.1d4f46ca (57880) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-M25 (fwm-m25.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.227]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILINIA42-e2184707e0451ed; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:21:41 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi! Many apologies with being late in replying, but I don't check my e-mails as much as I should!? My dressmakers dummy is currently wearing a white faux fur Russian hat edged in pearls.? No current project on the go, as I am taking my daughter to Disneyland Paris soon, and too busy with an over-exicted 5 year old under my feet! With Regards Jayne -----Original Message----- From: Cin To: h-cost Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 8.14pm Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? Please? What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 15:23:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JN9IG004090 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:23:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96JN5RU018035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96JMhC2065564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:22:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JMhGm092975; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:22:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JMdvs092907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.75] (dial-209-148-113-75.sonic.net [209.148.113.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l96JMcBe014403 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:22:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4707E080.50609@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:22:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this list is supposed to be about. References: <187713.71299.qm@web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <187713.71299.qm@web1010.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37a933f4-48de-410c-85af-b31ccbdf3233 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4707E099.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Though I have endured your rants on this list both before and after my 5 year hiatus, > this was the first time I have ever bothered to speak out against your behavior. And this is the first time I've bothered to speak out against _yours_. Why don't you show me what it's like to be polite, tolerant, caring about hurting other people's feelings, etc.? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 15:25:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JPWRJ004160 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:25:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96JPSnE027434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:25:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96JOtt1065843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:24:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JOsii095286; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JOqRF095140 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071006192447.MYMF3368.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:24:47 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id x7Qm1X0043Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:24:46 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:24:39 -0400 Message-ID: <008201c8084e$8a50edd0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <118472.13321.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Change Subject Lines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b25a098a-e1a5-48dc-8daa-5072264270b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4707E128.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Psssst..... It would really help us all to change the subject header when we change topics. Every time I see the others, the ones related to the flame war, I just delete them unread. I'm sure I'm not the only one! ::Linda:: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 15:43:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JhClr004965 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:43:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Jh8Bb008732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:43:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96JgdWa068388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JgcFR014788; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96JgY4r014598 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071006194228.EUII20306.fep31.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:42:28 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.56]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071006194227.WKAH11710.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:42:27 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c80850$fe6d9720$3814a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:42:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.56] at Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:41:58 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] polonaise jacket X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62e91f23-1319-4d37-ac7d-a6fb9deb200c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4707E54C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A lady friend from Gustavs Skål, sended me a pattern of a polonaise jacket 1785-90. Its supposed to be me who sew it and embroider it for her. But i have never seen the pattern before. I think its a pattern she made herself. In the front it has a compere closing, looking like a stomacher with slanted lines in A- form of the jacket sides. What i dont understand about the pattern is, that the jacket dont have any pleats in the waistline the "skirt" width is achieved by slanting seams, 2 center back pieces, 2 side pieces and 2 front pieces. Would it not be more appropriate to make the width of the "skirt" bigger and make more room for pleats in stead of slanting lines? The shape of the jacket is to be more of a "bustle" pad than a round pad. ?????? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 16:34:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96KYUAS006473 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:34:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96KYPEV017538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:34:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96KXUkM074987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96KXPjZ063062; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:33:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96KXLoM062998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (71-214-247-5.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96KXKFu000531 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:33:21 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200710051229.l95CTeRF094881@net.indra.com> References: <200710051229.l95CTeRF094881@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:33:18 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4485/Sat Oct 6 12:52:57 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ...what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 678120c5-6ec5-446d-bf94-4dc64d12c7b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4707F152.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Verity is attired in: a generic "Italian Ren" cotton chemise based on one in Cut My Cote, and the orange polyester satin 1490's Florentine dress that I made for CostumeCon 25 [the challenge merely said to wear orange...]. Both pieces are there to remind me to get to work on the mending! I have a bad habit of stepping on my own hems when going up stairs. On the cutting table, I've got the pieces of a black silk split skirt pinned together [The Sewing Workshop's "Tahoe Pant" pattern]. In a bag next to the sewing machine are the pieces of an Elizabethan high- necked smock that I'm no closer to finishing than I was in April.... Suzanne On Oct 5, 2007, at 7:29 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > > >> I'm bored with the medical, trademarks & copyrights discussions. Any >> chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic? >> Please? >> What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? >> --cin >> Cynthia Barnes >> CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 16:50:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96KoJ6d006892 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:50:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96KoFs6024310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:50:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96KnZCW076893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96KnYXW077257; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.52]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l96KnVKS077148 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 32957 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 20:49:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1+4uiX4AchD6s0qJWxZyUVsIRhM0O18yhB48RPntBqhOq+dN2u7lfOGCk6zcZfesHBS/Fa2eFNPj3PA910TJJILXIsui2/hj8YWagAxt/6Wn6sLyzZV1hNXj78xIuFRbjFMFUAHp++F2RYtnJdl2ej964D0ibnLC5zdFlNbv/BQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 2.M.A7AVM1nA5PFyx8T1Wvi4L5ri.nEJLBhBs4J7KVq8u7HwYj7coOa5GrAJOxK2XCqZjA-- Received: from [82.112.148.188] by web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:49:25 BST Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:49:25 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8C9D66542193582-77C-1F99@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0d83526-f015-4ba0-bafc-ad487685dd2c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4707F507.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Gentles of the List, I have a young grand-daughter who has become deeply interested in 18th C high-status European fashions after seeing the most-recently-mdae "Cinderella" film. As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her new interest. 18th C. European fashions are not a subject I have had any reason to research - [though I DO know the military history in considerable depth], and I have no reference Base to help me. Would Members of the List be good enough to make Book suggestions to help us pruchase a couple of sutiable reference books for our grand-daughter? Julian Wilson, dwelling in "old" Jersey, [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker, a veteran soldier of the late 15thC.]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 16:59:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Kx3Y3007063 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:59:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Kww7f005965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96KwhxU077754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96KwgBZ085272; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96KwcDg085146 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071006205833.ONIN3368.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:58:33 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id x8yX1X00G3Dnkwc0000000; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:58:32 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] cotton wool Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: <008b01c8085b$a38d6d20$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <47051DF7.3080208@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cbba1b3-233e-4f79-b5db-84205f93565f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4707F713.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dawn, thank you for this bit of info. I really didn't know! But I actually like the 'lumpy bumpy" texture... it just seems more tactile-y interesting. ;) ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn When it's made up and > washed it definitely has that lumpy bumpy look and feel that poly just > can't imitate. > "Lumpy bumpy" is a 20th century phenomena that only happens when quilts get put into a washing machine. In the 1800's a quilt would have been hung and beaten, spot cleaned when necessary, and rarely completely emerged in water. Water makes the quilt quite heavy -- one person would have trouble lifting it -- and weakens the cotton fibers making them shred. Normally the filling would have remained quite flat within the quilt. You can buy raw cotton by the bale here: http://www.cottonman.com/ Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 17:12:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LCqQS007480 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:12:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96LCmQK012290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:12:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96LCAZt079790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LBmHu097778; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LBiON097694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.75] (dial-209-148-113-75.sonic.net [209.148.113.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l96LBgGd006987 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <4707FA10.8070703@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:11:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations References: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 428ac1f1-faad-4631-8d25-a2ec14e79c8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4707FA50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I took most of the following info out of the entries I maintain to put for book and magazine article bibliographies, etc. * Fukai, Akiko, Tamami Suoh, Miki Iwagami, Reiko Koga, and Rii Nie. The Collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute: Fashion: A History from the 18th to the 20th Century. Köln: Taschen, 2002. This obviously does not focus entirely on the 18th century. But it does include all or most of the pictures of a couple of books the Kyoto Costume Institute DID publish on the 18th century, and which I think are now out of print. I think there are several very similar editions of this book--in one volume, in two volumes, hardcover, paperback. etc. I don't recall that there's a ton of difference between them, however. * Los Angeles County Museum of Art. An Elegant Art: Fashion and Fantasy in the Eighteenth Century. New York: Harry N. Abrams, 1983. An exhibit catalog with informative essays on fashionable and fancy dress, fabrics, decoration, and deportment. Men's and women's clothes. * Baumgarten, Linda and John Watson. Costume Close-Up: Clothing Construction and Pattern 1750-1790. New York: Costume & Fashion Press, 1999. Scale drafts, photos, and detailed descriptions of the original construction and decoration of 28 women’s and men’s garments. Al of the above are large, illustrated, in color, and otherwise eminently suitable as gifts. There's also an in-print museum catalog, _18th-Century Costume in the National Museums and Galleries of Merseyside_, which I haven't entered in the file. It's still somewhere in a pile on my sewing room floor. I recall it as a rather small but nice museum catalog. There's a nice little set of volumes of 18th-century and 19th-century accessories from the Snowshill museum--try searching on Snowshill on Amazon. Again, they are on a floor somewhere and not entered in my bibliography file. Hope this helps. Fran Lavolta Press Book on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com julian wilson wrote: > Gentles of the List, > I have a young grand-daughter who has become deeply interested in 18th C high-status European fashions after seeing the most-recently-mdae "Cinderella" film. > As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her new interest. > 18th C. European fashions are not a subject I have had any reason to research - [though I DO know the military history in considerable depth], and I have no reference Base to help me. > Would Members of the List be good enough to make Book suggestions to help us pruchase a couple of sutiable reference books for our grand-daughter? > > Julian Wilson, > dwelling in "old" Jersey, > [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker, a veteran soldier of the late 15thC.]. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 17:23:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LNuJF007791 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:23:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96LNqIM020392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:23:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96LMwK8080889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LMv8b008274; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l96LMr7Z008145 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 53745 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 21:22:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hZLwFlkVM1kmkMmVFoawxdsXaXKpJaF75V52MGH8rWfoXeNn5YFUlBP.Chpv.aNrK6bGVxmxHPM3seCbasgOr5eIFjCFVt3yHjrt7KobRjipVFd3rtwoSRJL6MIcVw-- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:22:48 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <679337.50375.qm@web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f79752f-d44f-4aba-9167-2b191eead36a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4707FCE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings to another resident of Insulae Draconis :) I really like the book What Clothes Reveal http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Clothes-Reveal-Williamsburg-Decorative/dp/0300095805/ref=sr_1_1/203-4570731-7562354?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191705583&sr=8-1 It is focused on 18th c American fashions but the images are gorgeous and it shows both men's and women's fashions. julian wilson wrote: As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her new interest. Julian Wilson, dwelling in "old" Jersey, [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker, a veteran soldier of the late 15thC.]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 17:30:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LU5QF007931 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:30:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96LU0Yx020788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96LTVZb081433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:29:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LTUW7014248; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LTRpS014129 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from littlecoopmonkey@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY135-W22 ([65.55.140.57]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:29:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.225.51.69] From: Amy Cooper To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!.....Cranach gown Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:29:22 -0700 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2007 21:29:22.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[F61E10E0:01C8085F] X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc1dea48-c735-4402-827d-7952d0521282 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4707FE58.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just finished my first attempt at a Cranach gown and would love to compar= e notes with you Beteena, if you're interested. There's a few ways you cou= ld deal with the guards, either sewing them on to an already completed skir= t, which seems to me to be the best way to get a good drape to the skirt, o= r assemble the skirt in many pieces. From the painting you linked, I'd gue= ss that the middle band is appliqued or the cut-and-slash method. I'd think you'd be safe doing a damask, but I'd definately line it. I was = short on fabric and am convinced that lining would have helped, so would ha= ving enough to make a fuller skirt that wasn't box pleated. Have you given any thought to patterns yet? -Amy Beteena Paradise wrote: ... I am considering a German gown similar to Duchess Katherine von Mecklen= burg. http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach55.html The yellow looks like a damask to my eyes. Do you think it is? Or is it emb= roidery? Stamped velvelt? If I do it in a decent weight damask (I already h= ave a nice golden yellow cotton damask), do you think that a silk velvet wo= uld have enough body to it to work right with the damask? Or would somethin= g else work better? _________________________________________________________________ Boo!=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare= ! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=3Dwl_hotma= ilnews= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 18:32:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MWY8o009415 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:32:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96MWUYT022893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:32:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96MVQ3w089444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MVNmv070498; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MVK76070381 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5A71057B8 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:31:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47080CD5.3020803@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:31:49 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations References: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43c6e8e3-bc64-4293-9a46-9a14c65ed24b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47080CFE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO julian wilson wrote: > As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her new interest. > These are not cheap books (most of them anyway) but they are some of the best for the period. Amazon.com carries most of them, but not always at the best price. _Patterns of Fashion I: 1660-1860 , by Janet Arnold. Photos, close-ups, description, and scale diagrams of actual garments. I highly recommend this. _Historical Fashion in Detail: The 17th and 18th Centuries_ by Avril Hart, Susan North. Eye candy, close-ups, and some detailed drawings -- but no patterns. Recommended. _The Cut of Women's Clothes, 1600-1930_ and _The Cut of Men's Clothes: 1600-1900 _ by Norah Waugh. Pictures, scale diagrams of surviving garments, textual discussion and descriptive quotes from period sources. Highly recommended. _Everyday Dress of Rural America, 1783-1800: With Instructions and Patterns_ by Merideth Wright. Drawings, descriptions, and scale diagrams of early every day dress. Aimed at the beginning re-enactor, but good for someone who's not making a silk ball gown right off the bat. Recommended. _Fitting & Proper_ by Sharon Ann Burnston. Photos and instructions. Another book aimed at re-enactors, very nicely done. Recommended. _Dangerous Liaisons: Fashion and Furniture in the Eighteenth Century_ (Metropolitan Museum of Art) by Harold Koda, Andrew Bolton, and Mimi Hellman. Eye candy. Photos and text. Gorgeous, but maybe not as useful for a beginner. _What Clothes Reveal: The Language of Clothing in Colonial and Federal America_ by Linda Baumgarten. I'm not familiar with this one, but it looks promising and has good reviews. _Costume Close Up: Clothing Construction and Pattern, 1750-1790_ by Linda Baumgarten, John Watson, and Florine Carr. Photos, descriptive text, and scale diagrams with instructions. Based on the collection at Williamsburg. Aimed at the re-enactor, very nicely done. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 18:41:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Mf5v5009615 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:41:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Mf1k3030365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:41:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96Mekwl090910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Meik0079596; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Mefgw079559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l96Mea8o009316 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:40:40 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56784.72.13.239.193.1191711415.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <8C9D66542193582-77C-1F99@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com> <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccf3215c-4b06-4259-88f8-eef5597c004d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47080EFD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our > grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about > 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her > new interest. Is it a start of a library, or a start in constuming/reenactment? Lots of good books have been recommended, both the "eye-candy" originals and references complete with pattern drafts. In the reenactment community, 'Whatever Shall I Wear," by Mara Riley ad illustrated by Kate Johnson, is a good starter book, very practical and inexpensive. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 18:42:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Mg8Y7009638 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:42:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Mg40S031301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:42:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96Mfna9091001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Mflel080380; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MfiLO080245 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:41:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr14a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.172]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JPI00IK1HPDHJA0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.213] (Forwarded-For: 12.161.221.132, [10.240.3.213]) by mstr14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:41:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:41:37 +0000 (GMT) From: monicaspence@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations In-reply-to: <679337.50375.qm@web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <679337.50375.qm@web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 143cbf79-d5ae-44dd-8b77-292ed0303272 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47080F3C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The Metropolitan Museum of art did a catalogue of the same title for it's "Dangerous Liasons" show. The pictures age gorgeous and the manequins are posed in "social" groups. I am pretty sure you can get it on Amazon. Monica ----- Original Message ----- From: Beteena Paradise Date: Saturday, October 6, 2007 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations To: Historical Costume > Greetings to another resident of Insulae Draconis :) > > I really like the book What Clothes Reveal > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Clothes-Reveal-Williamsburg- > Decorative/dp/0300095805/ref=sr_1_1/203-4570731- > 7562354?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191705583&sr=8-1 > > It is focused on 18th c American fashions but the images are > gorgeous and it shows both men's and women's fashions. > > julian wilson wrote: > As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our > grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books > about 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference > library for her new interest. > > Julian Wilson, > dwelling in "old" Jersey, > [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker, a veteran soldier of the late > 15thC.]. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 18:53:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Mrsw9009879 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:53:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96MrodQ026799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:53:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96MrOGr092058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MrJqS091152; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96L4YOO090401 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:04:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:05:48 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8085C.AB18E113" Subject: RE: [h-cost] return to what this list is supposed to be about. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:04:29 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7EA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7EA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] return to what this list is supposed to be about. Thread-Index: AcgIQ+8rGFtMi9xdSviDe6VgfTYaJwAGI05g References: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4707CE8A.2010106@lavoltapress.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2007 21:05:48.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB35EAB0:01C8085C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdb4ac29-7642-41f9-9a19-a5d418057215 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470811FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8085C.AB18E113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neat ideas - I'm short, too. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Lavolta Press Sent: Sat 10/6/2007 2:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this listis = supposed to be about. Basically, being short has been a real advantage to me recently. The other thing I've been doing, and that anyone can do if they wish, is to shorten long, full skirts that are too long by "swagging" them. It's sort of the same principle as making a tuck, only you don't sew it down. I put the skirt on a dress form and figure out where to put the "tuck" so I get something that looks nicely "swagged," and of course I also figure out how deep to make the "tuck." I sew a row of buttons all round, towards the bottom of the skirt, about a foot apart, or somewhat less. Then I sew button loops lower down, which of course go over the buttons. Of course the loops can be unbuttoned whenever you want the skirt longer and straighter, giving you two style options. Only since I've been using it as a hemming method, I don't. I've "parachuted" a couple of skirts to shorten them too, like the tank dresses above. The other thing I've done, is shorten skirts by pleating them at the bottom. You can do this at intervals too, to get a "swagged" effect, only it's permanent. I really like doing alterations, and "fixing things up." It has a problem-solving aspect that appeals to me. I especially like it when I can make the garment look better than it did at first, as well as fitting better. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8085C.AB18E113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8085C.AB18E113-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 18:54:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MsAn1009885 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:54:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96Ms5om014089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:54:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96MrmhC092118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MrlOP091905; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96LViZP016382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.75] (dial-209-148-113-75.sonic.net [209.148.113.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l96LVhW2011271 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <4707FEC2.80006@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:31:46 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations References: <679337.50375.qm@web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <679337.50375.qm@web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 60fe08a7-9403-43dc-9094-45b1a5110283 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4708120D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, I forgot about that one! Fran Beteena Paradise wrote: > Greetings to another resident of Insulae Draconis :) > > I really like the book What Clothes Reveal > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Clothes-Reveal-Williamsburg-Decorative/dp/0300095805/ref=sr_1_1/203-4570731-7562354?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191705583&sr=8-1 > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 18:57:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MvgX5009989 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:57:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96MvcJM015241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:57:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96MvJwk092498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MvI3C095972; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96MvEPd095930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.104] (dial-209-148-113-104.sonic.net [209.148.113.104]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l96MvDsB031015 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:57:13 -0700 Message-ID: <470812CB.1070102@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:57:15 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations References: <8C9D66542193582-77C-1F99@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com> <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <56784.72.13.239.193.1191711415.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <56784.72.13.239.193.1191711415.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1be3bcb4-54aa-469e-ab7b-c0a6302c1edc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470812E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My assumption (maybe I should have asked) was that for a gift book, the givers often want something that looks lavish; and that most costumers seem to start out with eye candy/inspiration. And they never quit _liking_ eye candy, but after a while they additionally want more detailed information, and more technical information, such as pattern drafts in their libraries. But they don't necessarily want it all right away. For pattern books, there's also the good old: Gehret, Ellen J. Rural Pennsylvania Clothing. York: Liberty Cap Books, 1976. Scale drafts, hand-sewing instructions, and information on materials for colonial clothes. Which many people use for clothing not specific to rural Pennsylvania. It's a good book, and it's a well-produced book, but it's not a super-lavish book. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com > Is it a start of a library, or a start in constuming/reenactment? > Lots of good books have been recommended, both the "eye-candy" > originals and references complete with pattern drafts. > > In the reenactment community, 'Whatever Shall I Wear," by Mara Riley > ad illustrated by Kate Johnson, is a good starter book, very > practical and inexpensive. > > -Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 19:19:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96NJBUM010532 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:19:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96NJ61G023174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:19:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96NIWT6093806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96NIVkP015126; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96NIRtD015083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.104] (dial-209-148-113-104.sonic.net [209.148.113.104]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l96NIPsb000880 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:18:26 -0700 Message-ID: <470817C4.6010703@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:18:28 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alterations References: <661368.90564.qm@web1008.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4707CE8A.2010106@lavoltapress.com> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7EA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7EA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d213ee0-67a5-4bc7-9d49-e750f514ee25 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470817EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Another thing I've been doing for full sleeves (both blouses and sweaters) that are too long is this: Obviously, you can usually hem a free-floating sleeve bottom or move up a cuff. And I've done a lot of both over the years. (Since my father, my brother, and my husband all have short arms too,I have removed and replaced a lot of cuffs.) But my newly favorite technique is to use some thin seam binding (I usually just buy the synthetic/silky stuff in a matching color, but if I have some suitable ribbon scraps around, I use those), sew it inside the sleeve in one or two places higher up on the sleeve, run some narrow elastic through to fit my arm at the place(s) where I want the sleeve to fall, and thereby puff the sleeve while also shortening it. What I've always liked for straight blouse sleeves is to use a row of visible 1/2" tucks near the bottom, when I can, but that only works for certain women's styles. If you have a straight or somewhat flared sleeve with no cuff, and there is a lot of decoration at the bottom of the sleeve, you can just cut the bottom off right above the decoration, cut off some fabric from the temporary new "bottom," and then sew the decorated part back on for a "cuff" look. Obviously, some seam tapering is also necessary if the two parts no longer fit after you have cut out some "middle." Really, sometimes I'd rather do alterations than sew from scratch. Especially when I'm really busy and need small projects. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Rickard, Patty wrote: > Neat ideas - I'm short, too. > > Patty > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 19:26:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96NQQAP010676 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:26:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l96NQLKB025762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96NQ4QC094471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96NQ2iQ021735; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:26:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96NQ1hm021711 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:26:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so562351rvf for ; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:26:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Se148YufxwxmAN1R/9GEuxl3WxhJNDcopwj1encFF8s=; b=qJSFqMYpvgLkkJQSLcya987nf9hWj7Fi4C+bHtaCEHBzyoMDTXHrghJHMRovLJFtz4Mh7EFFOTdDqtLUibA6SAk7tcJn6BC/gZ5syTb+7CRaaFY+FmQcPByWWWmSeVVPZlASkp7OpK+5nGqpd919KlAfuvlokobUXyJ1225apSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pg3UnMf0JKO44+DS7I5HL1MtrnXH3VajyCUd2q7I6mhYcqScZ1JGai2KAh336jFPsqW3L0yBNlgsxYhTQfZ3LyWdGcIGUyNsLGQXgjAaywiKV/BU7sD4mRFaYjOQMIHtYiIyVxGmxLwxpUi7NI9ckg5adFMlfR4SHu02IJKaKHU= Received: by 10.141.20.7 with SMTP id x7mr1267771rvi.1191713160654; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.76.7 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590710061626s13c7aa4etb76f50e5c6d754c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:26:00 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown In-Reply-To: <992009.92244.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <992009.92244.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2569f59e-c745-47f6-aff5-d4868f437276 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4708199D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I made something similar for a friend in broad cloth with limited fabric available. I cut my bands as needed, and I had an under layer skirt of cotton sheeting, that I sewed the bands to. With the layers the skirt has the weight that it needs to drape properly and even though it's in cotton, and meant as a test, it's still one of her favorites. On 10/6/07, Beteena Paradise wrote: > I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? > > Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. > > Amy Cooper wrote: > > Have you given any thought to patterns yet? > > -Amy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 20:39:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l970dv4G012226 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:39:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l970dluj019212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:39:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l970cTUf001342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l970cPKG082040; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l970bsbW081542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l970bkAu010713 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:37:53 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58578.72.13.239.193.1191718449.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000501c80850$fe6d9720$3814a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c80850$fe6d9720$3814a150@CPQ21932199711> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] polonaise jacket From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7a2168a-6b51-4876-8367-e6800a828cf1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47082AD3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There is a caraco in Patterns of Fashion, and I think it's similar, without pleats or maybe it has minimal pleats. If she made the pattern herself, then perhaps she has a preference. Maybe she took it from an original. Either way, if you're making the jacket for her you can ask about the design and whether she wants it to be changed. -Carol > A lady friend from Gustavs Skål, sended me a pattern of a polonaise jacket > 1785-90. Its supposed to be me who sew it and embroider it for her. > But i have never seen the pattern before. I think its a pattern she made > herself. > In the front it has a compere closing, looking like a stomacher with > slanted lines in A- form of the jacket sides. > What i dont understand about the pattern is, that the jacket dont have any > pleats in the waistline the "skirt" width is achieved by slanting seams, 2 > center back pieces, 2 side pieces and 2 front pieces. > Would it not be more appropriate to make the width of the "skirt" bigger > and make more room for pleats in stead of slanting lines? > The shape of the jacket is to be more of a "bustle" pad than a round pad. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 20:59:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l970xho1012701 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:59:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l970xcGT007911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:59:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l96MsAC6092188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:54:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l96Ms8OT092429; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l96LlcHQ030627 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 93683 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2007 21:47:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: r9AZWo0VM1l064FGttjgba109dy24.3xBYpb6sLWYK0UV7n7 Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:47:32 PDT Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <992009.92244.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cranach gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0f8253b-5036-4628-9324-8eae811d0059 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47082F7A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. Amy Cooper wrote: Have you given any thought to patterns yet? -Amy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 21:21:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971L2op013271 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:21:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l971Kl2R009140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:21:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l971KLRG004821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:20:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971KJZh011789; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971KG71011679 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bd8.1d858b18 (29673) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:20:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae6fd33a-cf1e-42d3-a320-1573cf5bcaab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4708346F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 21:27:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971ROKW013415 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:27:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l971RKNG000953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:27:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l971R2ag005434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971R2u6016287; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971QwpX016198 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C80881.242CD2E2" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:25:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Thread-Index: AcgIgF3eYSA9b2TFQPC6u4EXVFutxgAAJDJi References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa7332ce-8def-469d-8ec0-cf2767e4c55e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470835F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80881.242CD2E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, yes, the kowtow scene in King and I springs to mind.... A personal pet peeve is brides stomping around in their gowns because = they never wear skirts and don't know how to move in them... hoop or no = hoop... Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Sat 10/6/2007 9:20 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes =20 =20 In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:56:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =20 AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. Ah, but they had practice. I think a modern bride would be wise to =20 practice, too, if she chose a hoop skirt--not only dancing, but walking, = sitting,=20 getting in and out of a vehicle. . . . =20 Ann Wass=20 ************************************** See what's new at = http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80881.242CD2E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80881.242CD2E2-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 21:31:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971Vdt1013521 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:31:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l971VZpF006830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:31:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l971VKQA005900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971VKTC019306; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971VFcc019205 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846BA46043 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:31:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-86.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-86.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.86]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:31:17 +1000 Message-ID: <1191720677.470836e55d8fe@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:31:17 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes, pardner X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44f4ebc6-9023-4092-8847-d668aa92165b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470836F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ya-haaaaa... -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 21:37:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971bv8P013933 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:37:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l971bqLF009586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:37:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l971bQmB006485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971bPip023654; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971bLeI023537 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce7.1c55c5ff (29673) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:37:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes, pardner To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8966bda-1cb2-4424-93f7-8ae232637f4b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47083870.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 21:38:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971c6YG013952 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:38:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l971c1MM015831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:38:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l971bjW2006502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971bjxE023870; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971bf91023792 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c26.2073f6e7 (65097) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:37:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 475 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 173e105d-7a0d-4a51-9a1e-61098610b83f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47083879.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Haha... I'm continually telling brides on a wedding forum I post to to practise walking in their dresses before the day. They rarely pay any attnetion, but hey, I try! :o) In a message dated 07/10/2007 02:28:23 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Ah, yes, the kowtow scene in King and I springs to mind.... A personal pet peeve is brides stomping around in their gowns because they never wear skirts and don't know how to move in them... hoop or no hoop... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 21:49:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971n12c014409 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:49:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l971ms0j019443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:49:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l971lhRX007318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971lfmX030706; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com (imr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l971lbIS030594 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:47:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.74]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-447083aa53bc; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:47:17 -0400 Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c3d.1fc1a568 (29673) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:32:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:32:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.74 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e1356a5-58bf-4dbe-9da5-b0c9462a0de5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47083B06.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/6/2007 6:41:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: I would like to give our > grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about > 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her > new interest. You say she is "young"--just how old is she? As beautiful as it is, I would not, for example, give the catalogue for "Dangerous Liaisons" to someone too young--it is definitely rated PG-13. Actually, the pictures are great, but the text would probably go over her head (heck, it practically goes over MY head), so maybe it would be all right. Any of the heavy drafting books, like Arnold, also, I think would not be as much fun for a really young beginner. And if she doesn't already know how to sew, I would get her started, just in case she does decide to do living history. Maybe give her lessons as a gift, if you can't do it yourself. I got intimately acquainted with the few costume books in my high school library. One I don't remember the name of, and haven't seen it since, but I was very taken by the two-page spread of David's painting of Napoleon's coronation--I dressed my Barbie like Josephine for a high school project, and I still have that dress. Another was Wilcox's "Mode in Costume." I know, I know, it's terrible, but it helped get me started--I made paper doll dresses like some of my favorites! I found a cheap used copy over 20 years ago, so it is on my bookshelf. Ann Wass Ann Wass Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 22:21:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972LwrK015125 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:21:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l972Lsnu025320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:21:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l972LQBB010327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972LOZd054469; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972LLbR054354 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:21:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c22.2011761b (29672) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:21:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:21:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: daf3345f-f353-491a-b0b1-424d77d83db0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470842C2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:40:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LuAnn_Mason@msn.com writes: Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more importantly, has a "break" in the hooping along the front. That "gap" (for lack of a better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. ************** True. But still, even though cage crinolines were numerous, there are also examples of hooped petticoats, and hoops start out being circular before moving into that trained, elongated form you see near the end of the period. So there was still a whole lotta waltzing going on in circular, hooped petticoats. Of course no one said it was easy! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 22:30:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972UlaU015327 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:30:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l972UgOM011325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l972UM4c010886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972ULqU060809; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us (spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972UGAo060745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:30:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (nat-pri-190-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.110.190]) by xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E63CF8039 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:30:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcgIf3zvfZw7KDEeQUiaVj40fvbHCgACKjbw Message-Id: <20071007023014.74E63CF8039@xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e99ef57-e9af-45e9-8615-0a9ec4012701 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470844D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's something I've recommended to every bride I've sewn for, or even just had a long conversation about their dress with. Ditto for a few early 20 somethings I've done college formals for. Most women simply have no experience with anything longer than midcalf, never mind full skirts, and don't know how to move in a dress with structure. I grew up wearing the longest skirts my mother would let me wear and the first bride a made a gown for had perfect posture and knew how to handle a skirt. Then I made my college roommate's first formal dress. Wow! The lessons started with taking her out to buy her first pair of real shoes - and trying to teach her how to walk in them (1 1/2 heels at the most) instead of her usual sneakers. I though the shoe salesman would die trying not to laugh. Just imagine the most frumpy, introverted, asexual college student you can, along with a very girly little pixie yelling at her "no, no, no, put you heel down before your toes! And don't spin on your heels, turn on your toes" In another year I had her dressing in "girl clothes" and even combing her hair. (I corrupted her in a few other ways too) Beth Chamberlain -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:20 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:56:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. Ah, but they had practice. I think a modern bride would be wise to practice, too, if she chose a hoop skirt--not only dancing, but walking, sitting, getting in and out of a vehicle. . . . Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 22:35:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972ZJn1015409 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:35:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l972ZEEP023981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:35:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l972YwZW011207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972YvXo063610; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972YroB063553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.165] (dial-209-148-113-165.sonic.net [209.148.113.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l972YpG8011760 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:34:51 -0700 Message-ID: <470845CD.7090401@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:34:53 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74078587-cbd2-48b7-ba17-88014401d1c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470845E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The first costuming book I ever had was _The Pictorial Encyclopedia of Fashion_, by Ludmila Kybalova et al. (It's a translation.) I bought it from a remainder house for $1 or something, by mail, when I was 15 or 16. I thought it was incredibly cool. My parents had been buying me Victorian and Edwardian clothes at estate auctions for years, but I had had no idea how to date them, or really what they meant. Then a little while later I got Millia Davenport's _The Book of Costume_ and Francois Boucher's _History of Costume_. Even more cool, three whole books on historic costume! I still have them all. They're not exactly in-depth, of course, but it was not such a bad thing to have the equivalent of a "history of Western Civilization" lecture course on costume before I learned anything more detailed. It gave me a framework for understanding what went where, era-wise. I started working on constucting costumes taking clothing design courses in college, which was a real divergence from what all the other students were doing (although one woman in a couple of courses I took was making a lot of "authentic" ethnic clothing). Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/6/2007 6:41:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > aquazoo@patriot.net writes: > > I would like to give our > >>grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about >>18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her >>new interest. > > > > > You say she is "young"--just how old is she? As beautiful as it is, I would > not, for example, give the catalogue for "Dangerous Liaisons" to someone too > young--it is definitely rated PG-13. Actually, the pictures are great, but > the text would probably go over her head (heck, it practically goes over MY > head), so maybe it would be all right. > > Any of the heavy drafting books, like Arnold, also, I think would not be as > much fun for a really young beginner. > > And if she doesn't already know how to sew, I would get her started, just in > case she does decide to do living history. Maybe give her lessons as a > gift, if you can't do it yourself. > > I got intimately acquainted with the few costume books in my high school > library. One I don't remember the name of, and haven't seen it since, but I was > very taken by the two-page spread of David's painting of Napoleon's > coronation--I dressed my Barbie like Josephine for a high school project, and I still > have that dress. Another was Wilcox's "Mode in Costume." I know, I know, > it's terrible, but it helped get me started--I made paper doll dresses like > some of my favorites! I found a cheap used copy over 20 years ago, so it is on > my bookshelf. > > Ann Wass > Ann Wass > > Ann Wass > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 22:40:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972e6kp015512 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:40:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l972e1gf000986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:40:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l972dbrI011579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972daki066464; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972dVTb066375 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.beb.1c967476 (29672) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:39:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:39:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes, pardner To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a453e7f-fab1-4b15-8ab4-da91874ca7fe X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47084701.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/6/2007 9:39:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: think you mean, Yeeeeeee-haaaaaa. That was cruel--funny, but cruel. Well, better than going as Victoria in widowhood, I guess. *************** I dunno... carry a bottle of Bombay Gin and it could be cute.... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 22:46:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972k5Rj015670 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:46:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l972k0pg007819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:46:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l972jeKs012047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972jdbN070189; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:45:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972jZEi070097 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:45:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20071007024530b1100bni50e>; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 02:45:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:45:29 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7964cfad-2784-4e9d-a503-10823296e83a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47084868.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wow! When you said they aren't cheap, I had no idea you meant they cost a fortune! They look great, but way out of my price range which would be less than a tenth of that. I'd have to teach for the next 40 years and I'm sure I won't be alive that long. Thanks for the info though. Sylrog On Oct 5, 2007, at 5:01 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/4/2007 10:03:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > sylvia@ntw.net writes: > > So it sounds like I'm ok, since I work for an educational institution, > huh? > > Sylrog > > > Sylvia, > There are ready-made sets available. They aren't cheap, but they save > you > all the trouble. Check out > _http://www.slidepresentationsdvd.com/_ > (http://www.slidepresentationsdvd.com/) > > I'm sure such an investment depends on many times you or your > institution > intend this class to be taught, but it seems to me it might be well > worth while. > > Ann Wass > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 22:47:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972liZS015775 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:47:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l972leQ0008791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:47:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l972lQ8J012205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972lKSb071215; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com (imr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972lGUs071115 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.74]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-8470848a6c1; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:47:02 -0400 Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cbd.1d55259c (29672) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:31:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] polonaise jacket To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.74 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b13907a-bd1f-4d1a-9f23-3ab7e5e50845 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470848CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There are several examples of jackets that have no pleats and the skirts flare out at the side and back seams to get some fullness. But I think of these as being earlier than the 1780s. Think of the quilted outfit in Janet Arnold. That jacket with a hood. It too has a compere like a stomacher that closes CF. The jacket is tacked onto it, and there is an updated drawing in the back of the book to show how it forms an "A" line , not the line shown in the initial illustration. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 6 22:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l972xrEt016005 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l972xmX8001713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:59:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l970xeRs002908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l970xbF5096889; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:59:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l970xZra096871 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so575648rvf for ; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:59:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=vDFeM4qfx/5Rlvdz0CCX1pFqp85jro6x+3kMfLxuYO4=; b=dpNr9xaSJz7DZhhdqCJyYM6PLWluU0TiAH8GnYkOHcGTrvpWVQDJQVJMZh0SZKKae31ar4T5BvUAJf1KXdRtBQDE709NxexTHf8BqzA6q5PCJ3I6tAC7GewdhmKgcW1LSn4YgNL/zEOytBYlP3bQ51GhsP4QnpsFuC97B0BXF/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mERnupKEsII6lJ94jagcttFYmCA9yvJLEia35V6cWC9C5ugkWBcHJMydRCBxbBeB6gdZppCYqD/dN8D2E1m817/gQndN9sJYggzSRIwzUWxT+Zv9rHa25++XgEqH1PFTY/TsHlsOvfxvkIglygFQ3jsahWk9opJvwhpeCbuYv1I= Received: by 10.142.128.6 with SMTP id a6mr2879777wfd.1191718775241; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:59:35 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re [h-cost] what's on the dress form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdc86926-54bc-477d-b444-7e80f9261221 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47084BA5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Right now, I have on my dress form the toile for my niece's wedding >dress. It will be silk duchess satin modeled off of the Paulina Astor >portrait at the Huntington Library with the decorative elements of a Charles F. >Worth gown. Pictures! Design sketches? Do you think we could maybe have a teensy peek? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 00:50:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l974oGjD018952 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:50:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l974o9Jq007648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:50:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l974n3c6021315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l974mw0Y046055; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l974mtDE045987 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:48:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.87]) by bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:48:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.32.255.154 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:48:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.32.255.154] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:48:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:48:44 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2007 04:48:50.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A9CEAE0:01C8089D] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 257a1778-a9b0-4e38-bc58-5d95bbec9134 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47086581.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, absolutely. It's just interesting to trace the evolution because = the crinolines that have the open fronts are so much more comfortable / = wearable / danceable than the earlier hooped petticoat style. LuAnn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:40:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 LuAnn_Mason@msn.com writes: Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're = using=20 a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around =20 suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate = cage crinoline=20 which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more = importantly,=20 has a "break" in the hooping along the front. That "gap" (for lack = of a=20 better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, = you can dance,=20 you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become = cumbersome when=20 it isn't. ************** =20 True. But still, even though cage crinolines were numerous, there are also =20 examples of hooped petticoats, and hoops start out being circular = before moving into=20 that trained, elongated form you see near the end of the period. So = there =20 was still a whole lotta waltzing going on in circular, hooped = petticoats. Of =20 course no one said it was easy! ************************************** See what's new at = http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 01:21:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975LoA4019782 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:21:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l975Ljbn015980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:21:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l975L89M024043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975L6q9065195; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:21:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975L3RM065157 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BBDC3B1C7 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:21:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <118472.13321.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Duchess Katherine von Mecklenburg. was: Enough!!!!!..... and a return X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cd1de41-ae94-4a16-b207-db0ef762acf4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47086CE9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I agree it looks to be damask and not embroidery. Note, found this http://www.hancocks-paducah.com/item--i-SW-GEORGIO-FAWN--m-356_357_368.html http://tinyurl.com/25a5lm -----Original Message----- It does indeed look like damask to me, also, but I'm not an expert. Also, the second red "stripe" - it looks to me like it's been laid over the damask and "reverse appliqued" (design cut out of the red and stitched rather than the yellow being applied on top of the red). What do you think? It's a beautiful gown and hope to see pics of the finished product. Shirley Beteena Paradise wrote: ... I am considering a German gown similar to Duchess Katherine von Mecklenburg. http://www.abcgallery.com/C/cranach/cranach55.html The yellow looks like a damask to my eyes. Do you think it is? Or is it embroidery? Stamped velvelt? If I do it in a decent weight damask (I already have a nice golden yellow cotton damask), do you think that a silk velvet would have enough body to it to work right with the damask? Or would something else work better? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 01:39:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975dP91020290 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:39:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l975dK3e004683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:39:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l975csJM025048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975crOS074150; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975coAm074126 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B07AE3B15F for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:38:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:38:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fa7d8aa-5bb6-461b-8ed8-e1715870e1aa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47087108.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Note: those words were the original poster's, not mine. :) De -----Original Message----- In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. **************** Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 01:49:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975nOSB020538 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:49:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l975nKU6024747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:49:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l975mtmb025572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:48:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975ms0e079539; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:48:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l975moQb079505 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E52C3B173 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:48:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:48:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1e207b8-7025-4fba-bca2-fc91f0a81525 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47087360.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The Victorian era begins with her reign in 1937. To my understanding crine or horse hair tape was uses in the sleeves and petticoats during the 1830s but around 1840s or fifties is when the hoops skirts start appearing. You Victorian/Civil War gowns w/hoops are 1861. So if 1830 is the choosen era, then it is petticoats with crine. -----Original Message----- Oh, absolutely. It's just interesting to trace the evolution because the crinolines that have the open fronts are so much more comfortable / wearable / danceable than the earlier hooped petticoat style. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:40:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LuAnn_Mason@msn.com writes: Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more importantly, has a "break" in the hooping along the front. That "gap" (for lack of a better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. ************** True. But still, even though cage crinolines were numerous, there are also examples of hooped petticoats, and hoops start out being circular before moving into that trained, elongated form you see near the end of the period. So there was still a whole lotta waltzing going on in circular, hooped petticoats. Of course no one said it was easy! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 06:21:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97ALSra008165 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 06:21:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97ALNsU002981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 06:21:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97AKfqU052691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97AKfs4081673; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97AKbnC081563 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33221 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 10:20:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3Nnmy2YOWnAhIyLxQyDSxkJVRdEliULXt7lHrUzr+Wzdq+RmxqGqq2zCzB3wC+865FZaAwNbwzv5423/UXbWt8m6mki0IWmRI4PaFhoVjETM5DNmqLkw6PdqyVTDxxxrmX4tAy+EgaUtaj7gfxdDOBV63OhDWVla3DMPq3OWSbg=; X-YMail-OSG: 6i8AZXAVM1nC3feW1zzWqTTHUr5OJd3o4bHybRK0z93jZTCfn7LZQ_V2.msVICXi9Ay1ZWn09DvwCsH29hV21G41czPSFfjg5NsePwE9x7qoKWkQkVbAayipRyCMlw-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:20:32 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 03:20:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <992009.92244.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <526101.32656.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fe774e7-1c9a-4b2a-920f-6302fbd81e92 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4708B323.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you do pattern drafting, there is a German book on drafting historical costumes and the Cranach gown is in it, it includes the drafting of the top, sleeves (just the basic ones, all the puffs are on you), and three possibilities of how to make the skirt. I use this book a lot and though I haven't made directly this costume, the drafting methods are good and usually lead to a good solution:-) It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th century. Beteena Paradise wrote: I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. 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Julian Wilson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 06:38:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Ac6MH008487 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 06:38:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97Ac23S008686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 06:38:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97AbZpj054994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97AbYPu096684; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97AbU4f096493 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:37:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 51671 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 10:37:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Qebh2k0VM1mkWXxuLArWSheLW9OoL0He05KoiEeflr9ZLsirll0eGzx54Z73XqVCvne86D9zBg-- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:37:24 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 03:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <526101.32656.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <973464.51244.qm@web1009.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 753671ab-2f9e-4d55-a879-70673457fc89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4708B70A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'll definitely have to look for that. Thanks for the info! Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th century. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 06:40:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97AeOg3008523 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 06:40:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97AeJAH009823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 06:40:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97Ae2tZ055726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:40:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Ae2x0099122; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:40:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Ae01b099050 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so632682rvf for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:39:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LxizDkBNPXyc8kSUAvVqBUZ0n76oSa2M2otqYTYj9wk=; b=fLa2MTXGO+QkY49q9vlDpC3iUZzp/PmvnrxCipHvoeNYvZQLVVY2jkTATYTWRqjgO6kYOVA06HIXGmbzU3fWsvfHp6RGDOPFjCf6KuPfF4ihmMytTr7SV7DkHEaUEJC3IJZ6b+SvnkaYysUjFBFhVvFAIjJYsIcb3C7ouYznMZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lt3C08L6bRbh4KBpckKfk7qBep7moDJJJ9wsneXFHkb37BfiTENz16DtSxc2ycgsEp5812Y/HDwT89Xc4Udm2utsUfiGbemvvXyJBLTci7PwjHW5ml1tEGZBmu7rTc5p2kfRauEB1vdI5qEtOJKGhAUu5DqEH56do/7ChbQza38= Received: by 10.141.21.19 with SMTP id y19mr2445524rvi.1191753599830; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.26.20 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 03:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0710070339m56c4858do69552e19562645ab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:39:59 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duchess Katherine von Mecklenburg. was: Enough!!!!!..... and a return In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <118472.13321.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd751060-8a9d-43d0-b5a2-aafeca6ca054 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4708B793.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > It does indeed look like damask to me, also, but I'm not an expert. Also, > the second red "stripe" - it looks to me like it's been laid over the damask > and "reverse appliqued" (design cut out of the red and stitched rather than > the yellow being applied on top of the red). What do you think? It's a > beautiful gown and hope to see pics of the finished product. The gold on these gowns typically depict a gold brocade. As in the metal not a shade of yellow, which is why I tend to go for the damasks bordered in velvet much easier to find good modern alternatives. A reverse applique would be very wasteful of fabric especially in a tiem where the bulk of the cost of a garment was in the material not the making. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._038.jpg If you click to get to the larger image you'll see the pattern inside the scroll work on the red is deliberate and made to fit the scrolls. I've been hunting for a clearer image but can't find one tonight. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 07:40:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Be1gl009939 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:40:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97BduYf028379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:39:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97BcpIt062189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 05:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Bcmjt046814; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 05:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97BckUO046711 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 05:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1314814waf for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:38:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=MMFcWM2ttQ9A2avWWGO5mV4b4iGFiai1wVbRg+hdk1M=; b=Aen/mkDNSoJDJOVk6k7bi8vdeuxPST69YQ7utTWIm7P+dIqHp+By64murPuTc3dKGLfczIfdLCe2MW2eXQ3yyZrf1MoDyuGYsSXwy5ea/8RtT+YiCit6G20X8tcBAEcTj44q8YJm2ZK7zd95jzsIV86ArTC9obwnv8IxTIbrYmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HMX0BAWvjduuxDjeleLMSChm73BGq5V0ezAFsj/7pH1Fe4lwUund/KBKk0mJl0I3E/YSYSPg8K5GWrQs0FAiMtyQEkFZvkfai3sDvF6P9o4m4U42QG/FcODwVD6iFiZW2je/u8EDGLpCXNWBdopdHO4YMOWpWHZPFj6dPYsBmdA= Received: by 10.115.79.1 with SMTP id g1mr9469157wal.1191757122209; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.17 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <228c7530710070438m6c8c7469g964a883d9a3c6d8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:38:42 +1000 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: wedding in historical costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 179bc0c2-ce4a-48f5-ae42-f717901c9ff3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4708C58C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 07:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > From: Cin > The Burda pattern is charming, and I do love a fishtail hem, but I do > not think that you, as a dancer will be pleased. The upper skirt > looks likely to shorten your stride at the knee. IMHO, It should be > fine for Argentine tango, 30s foxtrot, 20s tango, but anything with a > longer stride like polka or swing might be frustrating. You didnt say > what styles you plan to dance at the reception. Hello Cynthia, thank you for these ideas! At a friend's wdding, my now-fiance and I got to dance together for the first time and noticed that we were able to dance especially well together and knew nearly the same dances and figures, having both learned it within the sports program of (different) German universities. We will be dancing 'ballroom and latin' -- Viennese Waltz, English Waltz, Foxrot, Tango (not Argentino, the European Version), Disco-Fox, Cha-cha-cha, Rumba, Samba, Jive, possibly Paso Doble. Plus probably freestyle. But the opening dance is to be a 'snowball waltz'. That doesn't mean the music will be the 'Snow Waltz' (no way!). It's named after the effect with which you can start an avalanche with a snowball. One couple starts alone. They dance together for a few rounds and then separate, and each is asking someone else to dance. These new couples again separate after a few rounds to invite still others that are still seated... and in the end, everyone will be dancing. In Viennese Waltz, the couple has to make a full turn within about a second or less. To achieve that, they need to be quite close together, which is why the dance was considered immoral for a long time. I believe it wasn't actually danced much in the 1830s at all, though I may be wrong. In 1920s Tango, the couple has to be even closer, and the gentleman slides his leg between hers.In either case, you need freedom for the legs, so thanks, I'll go by your recommendation and try a mock-up of that fishtail skirt first. And anyway... he has seen the pattern already so I'm even more unsure if I will make that dress. De: From: "otsisto" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Thanks for all those links. They are wonderful, but they don't have patterns. They help me for _his_ suit, in particular http://www.fancyephemera.com/historicalfashion.html#1830sbeau and http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm (the two gentlemen's coats, in particular the red one). Now, where can I get patterns for that time? For a mans' suit? For myself, I'm taking Cynthia's advice, no indeed, we don't have to match. A good hint I found on one wedding website: I have to make sure that the wedding dress will fit into a suitcase. So, cage crinolines and most hoop skirts are out of the question! That said, there is another style that interests me -- and that's Dior-ish or similar. . And I've now placed a bid on a dress form! I've found one that seems to fit my measurements! Lucky that in Germany, we don't have bridemaids. :-) Barbara M aren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 11:51:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97FpxKr015700 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:51:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97FpsvH017854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:51:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97FoN8E019676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97FoJrY001973; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:50:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-m06.mx.aol.com (imr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97AFoHe077978 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.72]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-54708b1be3d5; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:15:26 -0400 Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cc0.1d79067a (30737) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 05:59:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 05:59:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: b849fb08-7ec9-4d06-ba1d-7d8eae8d2f76 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4709009A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:35:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: The first costuming book I ever had was _The Pictorial Encyclopedia of Fashion_, by Ludmila Kybalova et al. (It's a translation.) That is the book we used as the text in our college class, back in 1972. I still have it, too. It has chapters on different topics with quickie definitions that I sometimes find useful. The course instructor wanted a book with lots of pictures for the money. She only taught the class every other year, to both home economics and theater majors. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 11:52:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Fq5XI015708 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:52:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97Fptpe008457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:52:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97FpEdR019783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97FpEsp002969; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1002.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1002.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97B6UMl020852 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 05:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 47265 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 11:06:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MftB0WQVM1lwRoTutSksjg6bD8i1jNpba2Gd3mVA8TPL91NEkSnecp.7jdg3TXXAuE5ch6QOPOdCNIjH8A8WmW._UsHt3wrTOibleg14fAMhivQzBTM- Received: from [86.138.95.62] by web1002.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:06:24 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 04:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Duchess Katherine von Mecklenburg. was: Enough!!!!!..... and a return To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0710070339m56c4858do69552e19562645ab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <662939.47262.qm@web1002.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 1d60ee77-d75d-41b0-a89a-1b2aab7aa71b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4709009B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I do see exactly what you mean. And thanks for this image, it is much better than the one I had. I can see a lot more detail. :) michaela de bruce wrote: If you click to get to the larger image you'll see the pattern inside the scroll work on the red is deliberate and made to fit the scrolls. I've been hunting for a clearer image but can't find one tonight. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 11:53:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97FrGFW015716 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:53:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97FrBFq016411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:53:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97FqrpB020231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97FqpWL005273; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97F2qeW045828 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071007150251.OLKR28517.fep34.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:02:51 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.244]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071007150251.BYJT7439.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:02:51 +0200 Message-ID: <003801c808f3$24eb3a90$f414a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:02:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.244] at Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:02:42 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 860ee7f8-f3a2-4de4-809f-3d856e353b16 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470900E8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dress in 18th century Europe 1715-1789. by Aileen Ribeiro. Amazon Uk have it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "julian wilson" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations > Gentles of the List, > I have a young grand-daughter who has become deeply interested in 18th C > high-status European fashions after seeing the most-recently-mdae > "Cinderella" film. > As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our > grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about > 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her > new interest. > 18th C. European fashions are not a subject I have had any reason to > research - [though I DO know the military history in considerable depth], > and I have no reference Base to help me. > Would Members of the List be good enough to make Book suggestions to help > us pruchase a couple of sutiable reference books for our grand-daughter? > > Julian Wilson, > dwelling in "old" Jersey, > [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker, a veteran soldier of the late 15thC.]. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 12:17:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97GHNLk016247 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:17:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97GHDuB011840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:17:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97GGjEe023272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97GGhTb030189; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:16:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97GGe1X030040 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wildthangstreasures@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70231 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 16:16:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rb/Sn+rcDSOdbSHfKEqXfuLqKhKGkeUmStI8JKXe3gdVBfXYZOYx6XwwI1pBDLMRW9Vh6ouxvVI2qVtOgXNd+YHMKIiBH74CPbSc7zTGBIJ55ZQaX5seWKc+Rdzx8nPID4zRKt3gP0QDOwygRyzFn82yqKYHQ+i5wrGBrwrGmSA=; X-YMail-OSG: zlf.KQIVM1mKxxHq8_3f.GgoM2poZHUGPRcDbGiXUlK5gIKYinusowHvb1ciYph4NJe2IMfZ8N3IRiczpSIa3wADwu3ZLXScV.IMwsjFHXdTLkuT1MU- Received: from [72.213.199.113] by web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:34 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:16:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wild Thang's Treasures" Subject: RE: [h-cost] return to what this list is supposed to be about. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A7EA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <928076.70073.qm@web33911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e73b3b8-3991-4eba-b345-8001123b81cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47090689.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What a great idea! I also am short and while I have shortened some garments, this method sounds wonderful. I will have to attempt. ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Lavolta Press Sent: Sat 10/6/2007 2:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Enough!!!!!..... and a return to what this listis supposed to be about. Basically, being short has been a real advantage to me recently. The other thing I've been doing, and that anyone can do if they wish, is to shorten long, full skirts that are too long by "swagging" them. 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Answers - Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 12:42:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97GgcGs016710 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:42:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97GgYJI017457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:42:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97GgG7H026556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97GgEKP056253; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97GgAmG056102 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 93661 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 16:42:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=J+UxgFh2KnqMul+duflIJCI655AQVgUTny4dOIplPlG4yis/PEewmDyRtPb4/g1iAfP24quyXvKq3Q7TEpAS4cKxl2lN+F24joBbZcW1+AidmGPCUDmT86Y/3vs6UZ8gz2OdSt3/X3RQlIE0ZNJEv4uafwXgPCPFkicCGz0fYQY=; X-YMail-OSG: aGlnXYUVM1m.E_9W4RNh0q9HUm96WpZ5mtgiOKHTfF.4ppYZH99bEmdysuk82rHEmcdssNvaVQ-- Received: from [82.112.139.80] by web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:42:03 BST Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:42:03 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003801c808f3$24eb3a90$f414a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <158953.87163.qm@web23102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd632ffa-c6ea-4a72-aaa7-8fcb159fbd32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47090C7A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 13:02:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97H2dZe017096 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:02:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97H2YFI022491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:02:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97H1OGf028558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97H1MCp073440; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:01:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97H1Ibg073304 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58222 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 17:01:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=j0t5Q0KFYSu/usryXAzpqMMOizRU3QWMeqh/c7U55nxdbVAEIb1FCTGcA2Rel8jq7RLH66s66bCVwm5tj90opKKO7ZSbipMdBkfHYC3l/qCpKmKTjq/vJyjkkn5D1oCu3VfiIryftw1YnFLGSnh03RAVYw0DBEN1GK4Km832SdU=; X-YMail-OSG: UekWvlQVM1lktUgFPyP2Kq9H72k968xCnWnTZkzsW4WX7NnK9HizVXmyD9LcGQMcRiZz6JMxC8oe7_NPFV6HbEZy.OLVNFtH2ijTwBL5dq6t1P8.HamFKSu_8ZRr_o_hgFT1E5nfHmDhhyBYWRHTzdqBug-- Received: from [69.182.134.136] by web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:01:13 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <127273.55529.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f08a8b1-f9c3-43bd-8383-6dc9b591ff1f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4709112A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to > dance a waltz in that. > > **************** > > Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the > period. In the 1860s, when hoops were worn, waltzes and polkas and schottisches were all danced, vigorously. I, myself, while wearing my hoopskirts, have lead other women in a full-turning waltz more than once. :) So even a modern person, who does not wear hoops very often, can waltz with little to no trouble in hoops. Hoops are a bit like lampshades, though--if you move one side down, the other is very likely to fly up. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 13:02:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97H2pb4017100 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:02:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97H2kDg026940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:02:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97H2RGo028678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97H2RVG074507; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97H2NdS074389 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from littlecoopmonkey@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY135-W19 ([65.55.140.54]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:00:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.225.28.16] From: Amy Cooper To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:00:37 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200710070127.l971RjlT016848@net.indra.com> References: <200710070127.l971RjlT016848@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2007 17:00:38.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[95D427C0:01C80903] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 20251e16-440a-4430-b653-9e8db51b99d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47091136.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I haven't tried their patterns before. I was in a rush and ended up using = a modified version of the bodice from Simplicity 7756 and the sleeves from8= 735. They work well enough, but the back neckline of the bodice is quite h= igh and the sleeves require some adjustign and fitting as well. I've heard= good thing about Kass' pattern. I think you should be fine on the skirt construction. As was mentioned bef= ore, the velvet will probably try to slip around, so lining it is a good id= ea. Personally, while I love the rich fabrics, I think the wool versions c= ome out just as nice. Most of the ones I've seen online are done up in woo= l too. Beteena Paradise wrote: I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with the= m is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well= create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I ma= y get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewin= g together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). Th= at is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask = and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might wo= rk better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer ver= sion in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grand= er fabrics. _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 13:17:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97HHvIE017378 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:17:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97HHqFk030128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:17:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97HHIT1031985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97HHHgV090812; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97HHDLW090654 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51366 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 17:17:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IGTgY2keSWshkIRrzWglLWyfqGtMdNYfvP/Mk97d6BRr9OlFN65z5v4n+C6vBpMWSUyirhaTJrYiWCmjw/qUKWvbePtTjPpp4K5pT6r8N3z1pmklc0Qi0wSWlMcVgutE3LfxtPyoDgxokUd36PXHrM4ybKO/Mi8cGFAur0zwdw4=; X-YMail-OSG: zO9pWnEVM1nUQlSM2oAqBqAxZWUnm_3evBRpl1H8Mq6OLto4obJG9lXb5Zbhw0SA7ECxZRc2Xfl7xaCTYNrD11NjopBhew0Fctj5McAfbVvXgahCUJaPI8s2CpDkVIn1v5aZz2EZ62EbCI6ooHSgGDn5vw-- Received: from [69.182.134.136] by web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:17:08 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Hoops Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <253427.49511.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 283c4842-cb5c-4255-bbdf-4a453e782d5b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470914C0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- LuAnn Mason wrote: > Oh, absolutely. It's just interesting to trace the > evolution because the crinolines that have the open > fronts are so much more comfortable / wearable / > danceable than the earlier hooped petticoat style. > > LuAnn My 'open-front' hoops have partial hoops around the opening. cccoooo <--the layers, atop one another rather than side by side, of course. ;) They are a hooped petticoat, and not a cage. 10 hoops, with a double line of hooping at the hem, and only to my knees. I was going to a masquerade ball with them, and it was very common in the 1860s for women at masquerade balls to wear knee-length skirts. Yes, respectable women. :) Basically, I wasn't going to make more than one set of hoops. I took the early bustle hoops pattern from Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines, left off the bustle support entirely, and mucked around until the pattern worked as I wished it to. The pleat in each back piece did a nice job of swinging the hoops back a bit, which you can see as early as the late 1850s (in Boucher 20,000 Years of Fashion, there's a dated progression set of pictures). Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 13:43:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97HheLJ017947 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:43:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97HhU5w015097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:43:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97Hc6FC034707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Hc4Jf011945; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97Hc0s8011692 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:38:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 16445 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2007 17:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@76.244.153.205 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2007 17:37:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uadL2uwVM1kE7va10lyXlwabbGpz3jft7XIONZQGyiiaQ58F Message-ID: <47091959.8010101@pierocarey.info> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:37:29 -0400 From: Mary + Doug Piero Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200710051229.l95CTfoQ094901@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710051229.l95CTfoQ094901@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kinko's Ignorance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 709fd767-33d8-44d2-8f51-b0b3c3046228 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47091AC2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lord, yes Kinko's staff has ABSOLUTELY NO understanding of fair use. As a matter of fact, most of the time, they have it exactly backwards. I have been Repeatedly told by Kinko staff that if I was making multiple copies for classroom use, it would be all right, but since I only wanted one copy for personal use, they could not allow me to make the copy. Once, a costumer friend wanted to make an outfit from a cover of Analog. We didn't want to haul the issue around. (Which I own.) Kinko's brain dead staff insisted that the copyright notice for the SFBC ad back cover art meant that Stan Schmidt's permission to make 1 color enlargement for the purpose of verifying the fabric & trim colors was invalid. They have refused to let me make b&w reductions of original artwork for me to file with my home insurance policy. I wanted to get the sales receipt & the image onto the same sheet. Can you imagine a more innocuous purpose? Don't believe ANYTHING a Kinko staffer tells you about copyright law! Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 14:18:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97IIC5p018864 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:18:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97II8EU027819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:18:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97IGr7E041349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:16:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97IGm2j054729; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:16:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97IGjpH054608 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:16:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200710071816380110053pede>; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:16:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <47091959.8010101@pierocarey.info> References: <200710051229.l95CTfoQ094901@net.indra.com> <47091959.8010101@pierocarey.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7b6f0d53658ed36f4f55a6a0b2699758@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kinko's Ignorance Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:16:37 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a625fd08-d5d8-47a7-a2d9-675c94b491f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470922E0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm a bit confused. Are you asking Kinkos to make copies for you or are they walking around policing people to see what they are making copies of by themselves? Sylrog On Oct 7, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: > Lord, yes Kinko's staff has ABSOLUTELY NO understanding of fair use. > As a matter of fact, most of the time, they have it exactly backwards. > I have been Repeatedly told by Kinko staff that if I was making > multiple copies for classroom use, it would be all right, but since I > only wanted one copy for personal use, they could not allow me to make > the copy. > Once, a costumer friend wanted to make an outfit from a cover of > Analog. We didn't want to haul the issue around. (Which I own.) > Kinko's brain dead staff insisted that the copyright notice for the > SFBC ad back cover art meant that Stan Schmidt's permission to make 1 > color enlargement for the purpose of verifying the fabric & trim > colors was invalid. > > They have refused to let me make b&w reductions of original artwork > for me to file with my home insurance policy. I wanted to get the > sales receipt & the image onto the same sheet. Can you imagine a more > innocuous purpose? > > Don't believe ANYTHING a Kinko staffer tells you about copyright law! > > Mary Piero Carey > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 15:02:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97J2hcw020097 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:02:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97J2c84010647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:02:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97J1rkS052465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97J1pI3009554; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97J1mw1009414 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071007190142.BXZW20306.fep31.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:01:42 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.43]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071007190142.WYQP11710.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:01:42 +0200 Message-ID: <005401c80914$87aa73f0$2b43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <526101.32656.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:01:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.43] at Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:01:40 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13af82c8-f67f-4437-865d-f06bdf4f20ae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47092D4F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Do you have a title and ISBN nr.? Seems to be a very interresting book! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown > If you do pattern drafting, there is a German book on drafting historical > costumes and the Cranach gown is in it, it includes the drafting of the > top, sleeves (just the basic ones, all the puffs are on you), and three > possibilities of how to make the skirt. I use this book a lot and though I > haven't made directly this costume, the drafting methods are good and > usually lead to a good solution:-) > > It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting > magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting > instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th > century. > > > > Beteena Paradise wrote: I already have the > Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so > much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the > pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get > Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? > > Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by > sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or > regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight > between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton > velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking > of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and > then do one in the grander fabrics. > > Amy Cooper > wrote: > > Have you given any thought to patterns yet? > > -Amy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! 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Can you >> imagine a more innocuous purpose? >> >> Don't believe ANYTHING a Kinko staffer tells you about copyright law! >> >> Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 15:36:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97JaCcb021007 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:36:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97Ja6xW018838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:36:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97JYw8X064401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97JYu7u054470; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97JYr5S054310 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JPK00AEN3PZN460@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.198] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.57.242, [10.240.3.198]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:34:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:34:47 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72abc751-d2e2-446e-94b8-a5c534f1ce1b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47093526.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I wore a 1940's vintage dress with hoops at my wedding.. at times it felt like I was the Queen Mary II coming into port (gigle). I am a thin tall lady - not used to having a circumferance as large as my arm span. The only thing that took extra thought was I had to replace the standard high-backed chair (at the dinning table) with a piano stool. The stool looked a little silly sitting behind the table, but when I sat down on it the skirts completely hid it and I looked 'graceful' - because the skirt was hanging properly, not trying to hit the ceiling. Katheryne At 10/7/07 01:01 PM, you wrote: --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to > dance a waltz in that. > > **************** > > Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the > period. In the 1860s, when hoops were worn, waltzes and polkas and schottisches were all danced, vigorously. I, myself, while wearing my hoopskirts, have lead other women in a full-turning waltz more than once. :) So even a modern person, who does not wear hoops very often, can waltz with little to no trouble in hoops. Hoops are a bit like lampshades, though--if you move one side down, the other is very likely to fly up. Ann in CT/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 16:02:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97K2Abb021590 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:02:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97K256Q021040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:02:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97K1Qh6080335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:01:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97K1Od0093476; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.200.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97K1LwM093336 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200710072001.l97K1LwM093336@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-13-57.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.13.57]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2007100720011601500fj2ute>; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:01:16 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:01:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations In-Reply-To: <47080CD5.3020803@reddawn.net> References: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <47080CD5.3020803@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f296b17-12eb-4817-bdbb-2b2e0ddbb46e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47093B3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 16:14:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KEFBP021859 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:14:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97KEBlx018518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:14:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97KDmmE083580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:13:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KDkOl008340; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KDhU9008194 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:13:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c66.1beae257 (30740) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:13:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ef412d7-d364-4fb6-9a99-abb8ebbf4003 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47093E13.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2007 4:02:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, goofy4@comcast.net writes: My favorite place for buying books like these is http://www.abebooks.com For out of print books, it is the best! It is actually a clearing house of many, many (I don't know HOW many) individual dealers, who actually process your order and ship your book. But abe--Advanced Book Exchange--has improved so you can pay through them on-line with a credit card, instead of having to arrange payment with the individual dealer. You can sort by price, and I often get things quite reasonably. You can also see the country of origin--I've gotten things from France and the UK. But, as I say, once you start ordering used books from overseas, it's all over--there's no stopping you then. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 16:19:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KJK2P021970 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:19:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97KJGA9006281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:19:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97KInxS084501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KIm3j013428; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l97KIi8M013168 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 90339 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2007 20:18:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9FvSut0VM1n.92lKmm8b.VvZuQamO1JPc4f.5jdRtP3l._JT_xNFSeVvNnc0xLTvsGLs4CwwGnd5LJCnY1eMr4e5H2lHJ0jdKUI_L3PP3uIvtj2VzkQ- Received: from [81.152.18.71] by web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:18:36 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200710072001.l97K1LwM093336@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <454463.90332.qm@web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83cabf2c-f310-4a18-bd9d-fe09107f612d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47093F44.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: At 06:31 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: My favorite place for buying books like these is http://www.abebooks.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 16:45:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KjhVD022350 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:45:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97KjcAt009590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:45:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97KhYaD091830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KhWTh041351; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:43:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KhS0R041229 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.8.194] Received: from [75.46.8.194] (adsl-75-46-8-194.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.8.194]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l97Kg9K4028526 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:42:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <454463.90332.qm@web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <454463.90332.qm@web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:43:29 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 824ec706-a1fc-4533-ad5c-5f2b1c085e2a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47094572.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For finding books online, also try http://used.addall.com/ http://www.addall.com/ http://www.bookfinder.com/ These are also meta-searches that trawl through lots of peoples' inventories. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 16:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Kxrtd022661 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97Kxmb3016294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:59:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97KxQV6095344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:59:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KxPbQ057586; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97KxLUY057482 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071007205916.EZRF19611.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:59:16 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.149]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id xYzF1X00F3Dnkwc0000000; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:59:15 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Kinko's Ignorance Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:59:11 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001c80924$e9a47140$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <47091959.8010101@pierocarey.info> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c388c11-7827-4993-a37e-0fd20bde499c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470948C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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She obviously was not the least bit concerned or interested. ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Mary + Doug Piero Carey Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] Kinko's Ignorance Lord, yes Kinko's staff has ABSOLUTELY NO understanding of _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 17:12:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LC83Q022847 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:12:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97LC3vx030508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:12:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97LBStK096896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LBRi6068352; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:11:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LBNDR068306 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB481AD5042E; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:10:32 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:11:53 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c80926$af439bf0$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgIKQRdgWcQyS9rSMuqSiyIBw1STwA/Xy3w X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6beeaf1e-c975-4c3e-b110-73c480e0cd36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47094BA3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oooooh! I LOVE waltzing in hoop skirts! It's FUN! If you visit Dickens Fair, they have tons of people doing just that all day long. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:12 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. **************** Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 17:31:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LVh9A023297 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:31:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97LVcXM030918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:31:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97LVCK8099382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LVBd4086116; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LV774085962 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ce3.1d82c28f (30740) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:30:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc86fda0-4204-4cf2-b59a-f05717e3ad89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4709503A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 17:38:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Lcniu023419 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:38:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97LcdTU003660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:38:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97LcONZ000383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LcNn7093231; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:38:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LcJdK093169 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 733533B0A0 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:38:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:38:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <127273.55529.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57a111e3-ff74-466b-8ad5-23e7c98ade7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470951DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Again, not my statement. De -----Original Message----- > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to > dance a waltz in that. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 17:52:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LqWsb023659 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:52:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97LqRPd028684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97LpWe7001426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LpTi8004098; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LpQiM004007 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.8.194] Received: from [75.46.8.194] (adsl-75-46-8-194.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.8.194]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l97Lopf8025764 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:50:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:51:29 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a49d23c9-f884-43c0-adc7-76ce3fd64f77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4709551B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Interesting. I've had that happen on both, and I would think the incidence would be the same for both, as they're both simply searching through other peoples' inventories. I don't think addall or abebooks has any control over whether people actually have the books they're listing. It's a risk I'm happy to take, as these services make it so much easier, in general, to find the OOP books I always seem to be seeking. Melanie Schuessler On Oct 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/7/2007 4:44:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > melanie@faucet.net writes: > > http://used.addall.com/ > http://www.addall.com/ > > > > I've had several disappointments with addall. Got all excited and > then the > book wasn't available after all. 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Preferably the clothing I would creat out of it would be in a medieval style. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.....Thank you..... *=B4=A8) =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ (=B8.=B7=B4 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 18:29:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97MTFNZ024380 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:29:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97MTBfb026769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97MSqiU006089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97MSnEn036060; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97MSjwi036029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.184] (dial-209-148-114-184.sonic.net [209.148.114.184]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l97MShJ4012189 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:28:44 -0700 Message-ID: <47095D9E.9020406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:28:46 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations References: <454463.90332.qm@web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf6486d6-0a81-47d0-99d3-abb490e21ac9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47095DB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ABE and Alibris are services various booksellers, and even random individuals, can join to sell books; they pay ABE and Alibris for this service. I looked into the terms of both a couple of years ago when my mother died and left me her large personal library (most of which, however, is still sitting exactly as she left it). As I recall, at the time ABE only charged a percentage of sales, but Alibris charged a listing fee whether the book ever sold or not. Addall.com and Addall.com/used are meta-search services. Addall.com is the new book search service--but see below. Addall.com/used lists all the offerings of ABE, ALIBRIS, ILAB, and a couple of European ABE/ALIBRIS-like services. For whatever reason, Addall.com/used also lists many brand-new books; some of which, particularly books from foreign booksellers, are not listed in the "new" Addall.com at all. Listings in Addall.com are not weeded out for source duplication. You may notice--especially if you are looking for an unusual book in used condition, where few copies are available and descriptions of condition are very detailed--as many as four different listings for the exact same copy of the same title. Furthermore, the prices for duplicate listings vary slightly depending on the fees of services like ABE, etc. that are being meta-searched (the seller lists the book price and if there's an extra fee, they just tack it on). For foreign purchases, the currency conversions may vary. Bookfinder, once M-X Bookfinder, is an older service with search features that I think are no longer as good/sophisticated as Addall's, and usually with no larger selection. ABE, Alibris, etc. only make sellers guarantee that a certain PERCENTAGE of titles listed are actually available. This is because many of the sellers also run bookstores; and so a customer might well walk in and buy a title before the online order is placed, or before the online database has been updated. Amazon Marketplace makes sellers guarantee copies are actually immediately available, but many of them pay no attention to the rule. A lot of the big Amazon Marketplace, and a few eBay, sellers of new books just upload a major wholesaler database (which the major wholesalers provide to bookstores). This composes their huge listings of books. If anyone buys a book, they just back-order it. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Melanie Schuessler wrote: > For finding books online, also try > > http://used.addall.com/ > http://www.addall.com/ > http://www.bookfinder.com/ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 18:39:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97MdIvH024607 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:39:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97MdDcp018340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:39:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97MclDd007471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97McjI5046188; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97McgFV046120 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CECE700049; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:36:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@mail.indra.com, Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:36:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710071836.43741.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a95d55c0-6ec5-40e2-afc7-532cd35b8495 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47096011.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sunday 07 October 2007, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Interesting. I've had that happen on both, and I would think the > incidence would be the same for both, as they're both simply > searching through other peoples' inventories. I don't think addall > or abebooks has any control over whether people actually have the > books they're listing. That's true. I can believe, however that the incidence of "ooops, sold alreadys" might be higher on addall because addall reports results from a number of different engines as well as book stores; addall searches abe, for example. So some of the information addall is searching is two removes from the data it has (one remove because it's on abes, and the second remove because abe reports books on sale from many different stores in different countries). I like addall because it allows me to search most places I have a chance of making a hit at once, and it lets me find items that abe doesn't necessarily have. I do note, however, that bookfinder.com often has stuff from European stores that addall does not have. -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 18:40:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97MeF25024621 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:40:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97MeAv4014542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:40:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97MdqTp007625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97MdoW5047362; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Mdk2w047151 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d60.13edcc6a (14502) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:39:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:39:35 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Used booksellers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7223aca-41b0-4eb1-86a5-c81fdcf37d87 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4709604A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 19:19:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97NJLw6025318 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:19:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l97NJGXQ026645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:19:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l97NIBm7012770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:18:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97NI9La080986; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97NI6Ga080901 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:18:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DEC105B58 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:17:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47096955.8030203@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:18:45 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas References: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5e574f5-3cc2-40d3-9d3a-fbf4579dde2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47096974.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They have a few coat patterns and other more modern era clothing items that you might like in green satin. http://www.folkwear.com/patternindex.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 20:33:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l980Xup6026728 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:33:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l980XpBq005974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:33:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l980WhTx021554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l980WYgw043894; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l980WTPp043758 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.5]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPK006GPHI0P700@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:32:24 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-62.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.62]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:30:21 -0300 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:32:22 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas To: Historical Costume Message-id: <004401c80942$b16532b0$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAJoXCUcYiUQ+/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,240,1188788400"; d="scan'208";a="293308416" X-Antivirus: avast! 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Sarah ----- Original Message ----- I have a comforter, pillow cases and curtains. Preferably the clothing I would creat out of it would be in a medieval style. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.....Thank you..... *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·*¨). (¸.·´ (¸.·´ .·´ .·´ ¸.·*`·~»*~Danielle~*»~ (¸.·´ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 21:50:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l981oNnG028634 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:50:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l981oFsb027858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:50:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l981nEwm032038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l981n7nH008304; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l981n3Ha008182 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:49:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55307 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 01:48:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zlTSnv2bEhSxc8Cc3uM6wv4WNH89X2Guwy/ai/eX1D8dhfZNig2KMrxFIriXoZDed9HXzpovXj1MOd5EOUvQqmlbPtEzdNOpK8sKe02jOSE77kTtQPvnrwzt/B2VqBZlvKITorU71TW8NWNxFfFQwK8uBfVHdBeFevJhDBk0ko0=; X-YMail-OSG: _7s1VAgVM1ndLdFhtQGDUTiLW34q.SBHBrGFaSISJKwMq6sZwfUpwvo7E_AwJe57iw-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:48:58 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:48:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes .... A video of hooped women waltzing here..... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <127273.55529.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <185218.54742.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4126289-dcb9-4bc1-8924-065b4579dc4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47098CD8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO here's a website that hold Victorian Ball about 4 x's a yr. http://www.lahacal.org/film/waltz.html there is a video on the addy of "the Merry Widow Waltz" showing women waltzing with hoops of all sizes, this is my favorite web video to watch, it's like being transported in time... Melody Ann Catelli wrote: --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to > dance a waltz in that. > > **************** > > Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the > period. In the 1860s, when hoops were worn, waltzes and polkas and schottisches were all danced, vigorously. I, myself, while wearing my hoopskirts, have lead other women in a full-turning waltz more than once. :) So even a modern person, who does not wear hoops very often, can waltz with little to no trouble in hoops. Hoops are a bit like lampshades, though--if you move one side down, the other is very likely to fly up. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! 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X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4aee8d9-1c48-491d-9760-c079846b429f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4709926A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Mine is a modern one and I have no problems. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LuAnn Mason Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more importantly, has a "break" in the hooping along the front. That "gap" (for lack of a better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. **************** Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 22:14:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982EGsJ029244 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:14:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l982E6Ti004552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l982D7m2034386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982D64e027684; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97L1UQB059663 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B9663AFF5 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:01:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Duchess Katherine von Mecklenburg. Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:01:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0710070339m56c4858do69552e19562645ab@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a19fd47-d860-4773-900d-898dbb8b4cad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4709926F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507&Empnum=0&Inicio=106 Click on the little picture and a new screen comes up, click on that picture and another screen which will allow you to enlarge a bit more then the wikipedia and a bit clearer. From the left of the skirt it appears to be appliqué with embroidery for tacking down the edges and details. This would make sense to have the appliqué instead of reverse appliqué as the use of scrapes was more frugal then cutting out a piece so that the background shows through. I had seen one painting with what appears to be reverse appliqué but the cutout pieces was used on the garment elsewhere. De -----Original Message----- > It does indeed look like damask to me, also, but I'm not an expert. Also, > the second red "stripe" - it looks to me like it's been laid over the damask > and "reverse appliqued" (design cut out of the red and stitched rather than > the yellow being applied on top of the red). What do you think? It's a > beautiful gown and hope to see pics of the finished product. The gold on these gowns typically depict a gold brocade. As in the metal not a shade of yellow, which is why I tend to go for the damasks bordered in velvet much easier to find good modern alternatives. A reverse applique would be very wasteful of fabric especially in a tiem where the bulk of the cost of a garment was in the material not the making. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Lucas_Cranach_d._%C3%84._038.jpg If you click to get to the larger image you'll see the pattern inside the scroll work on the red is deliberate and made to fit the scrolls. I've been hunting for a clearer image but can't find one tonight. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 22:14:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982EKdg029247 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:14:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l982EFZN016483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:14:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l982Dx5f034554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982Dwqn028552; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:13:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LLE7e077265 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD9723E704BC; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:20:23 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8C9D66542193582-77C-1F99@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com> <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:21:43 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c80928$0f5f6130$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <544080.32836.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcgIWmElNZ/YilVaTuqlDGBnliFR2AAzOTlQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d32cc45b-1744-416f-8425-bf8eaf6ac9e0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47099277.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO "Dangerous Liaisons" ISBN# 9-780300-107142 (I'm not sure if the "9" is part of the number. The others are the ones under the barcode, the "9" is to the left of the barcode.) This is a book with photos of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's display of 18th century fashions, set on dummies doing what they would have been really doing in those days, set in period rooms. Beautiful! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:49 PM To: Historical Costume Cc: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations Gentles of the List, I have a young grand-daughter who has become deeply interested in 18th C high-status European fashions after seeing the most-recently-mdae "Cinderella" film. As a Christmas Present, my Lady and I would like to give our grand-daughter a couple of profusely-illustrated reference books about 18th C. Fashions as "starters" for a personal reference library for her new interest. 18th C. European fashions are not a subject I have had any reason to research - [though I DO know the military history in considerable depth], and I have no reference Base to help me. Would Members of the List be good enough to make Book suggestions to help us pruchase a couple of sutiable reference books for our grand-daughter? Julian Wilson, dwelling in "old" Jersey, [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker, a veteran soldier of the late 15thC.]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 22:14:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982Egx8029263 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:14:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l982EbD3030766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:14:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l982EMKw034614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982EMSG028920; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97LcJ8C093167 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BB083B091 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:38:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: wedding in historical costumes Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:38:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <228c7530710070438m6c8c7469g964a883d9a3c6d8d@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1057f277-55f5-48b9-9ac3-bc8d314dbe26 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4709928D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Again, 1830s gowns did not have the hoops and crinolines, the fullness came from the petticoats a few may have had horse hair tap or cording around the hem. The 1830s were refered to as the Jacksonian era. Have not used these patterns http://www.pastpatterns.com/008.html http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html Someone who will sew for you or patterns (have not used these people). http://www.customvestments.com/ Women's underpinnings (note: no hoops or crinolines) http://www.customvestments.com/womensundergarments.html 1830s based movie (costumes)Onegin http://www.costumersguide.com/onegin/green3.jpg http://www.costumersguide.com/onegin/green2.jpg red dress http://www.costumersguide.com/fashioninfilm/onegin1.jpg http://www.costumersguide.com/onegin/orange2.jpg http://www.costumersguide.com/onegin/orange4.jpg This is not saying the these are authentic but it is to show the look. I know that you have decided to do a later period but you need to put the two styles together to see if they meld or look down right odd. De -----Original Message----- De: From: "otsisto" Subject: RE: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Thanks for all those links. They are wonderful, but they don't have patterns. They help me for _his_ suit, in particular http://www.fancyephemera.com/historicalfashion.html#1830sbeau and http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm (the two gentlemen's coats, in particular the red one). Now, where can I get patterns for that time? For a mans' suit? For myself, I'm taking Cynthia's advice, no indeed, we don't have to match. A good hint I found on one wedding website: I have to make sure that the wedding dress will fit into a suitcase. So, cage crinolines and most hoop skirts are out of the question! That said, there is another style that interests me -- and that's Dior-ish or similar. . And I've now placed a bid on a dress form! I've found one that seems to fit my measurements! Lucky that in Germany, we don't have bridemaids. :-) Barbara M aren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 22:15:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982FiWH029292 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:15:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l982Fd9O004914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:15:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l982FO8G034796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982FN3h029894; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Mb6ta044434 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d4c.dfc020a (14502) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:36:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:36:50 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Used book sources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 5179b071-c4cf-4c86-8678-3a85e04ede0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470992CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2007 5:52:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: I don't think addall or abebooks has any control over whether people actually have the books they're listing. I think addall has a bigger 'reach' but I've never personally been disappointed at abe. But, again, the only "damage" if a book isn't available is getting your hopes up briefly! Not quite the same as the dealer who evidently jacks up the prices. However, remember, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I must admit, I think I've gotten some good buys from dealers in used books because my particular request wasn't their specialty, but they just happened to acquire it somehow. In that case, I figure we both make out. I don't think I've ever actually "stolen" anything. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 22:16:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982GE21029300 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:16:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l982G9OO019006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:16:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l982Fn5F034884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982FmHU030312; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l97Mcgre046121 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CECE700049; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:36:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@mail.indra.com, Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Request for 18th C Costume Book recommendations Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:36:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710071836.43741.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 5c261599-53ba-426b-bc4a-15c1f650842a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470992E9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sunday 07 October 2007, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Interesting. I've had that happen on both, and I would think the > incidence would be the same for both, as they're both simply > searching through other peoples' inventories. I don't think addall > or abebooks has any control over whether people actually have the > books they're listing. That's true. I can believe, however that the incidence of "ooops, sold alreadys" might be higher on addall because addall reports results from a number of different engines as well as book stores; addall searches abe, for example. So some of the information addall is searching is two removes from the data it has (one remove because it's on abes, and the second remove because abe reports books on sale from many different stores in different countries). I like addall because it allows me to search most places I have a chance of making a hit at once, and it lets me find items that abe doesn't necessarily have. I do note, however, that bookfinder.com often has stuff from European stores that addall does not have. -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 22:17:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982HX24029329 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:17:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l982HPea020623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:17:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l982H5DN035238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982H5vV031663; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l982DgZ8028275 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:13:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([162.83.112.163]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JPK004FZM67SQ83@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:13:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:12:07 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes .... A video of hoopedwomen waltzing here..... To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <002301c80950$a0b21c40$0400000a@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <185218.54742.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38f6310b-fa06-4f49-83c0-46d36cd3cbc8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47099335.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was one of the founders of the Social Daunse Irregulars. My photo is still hidden away on their webpage. Period waltzing certainly can be done in hoops. The clothing was worn when the dance was created! Not so sure about modern show waltzing. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody Watts" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes .... A video of hoopedwomen waltzing here..... > here's a website that hold Victorian Ball about 4 x's a yr. > http://www.lahacal.org/film/waltz.html > there is a video on the addy of "the Merry Widow Waltz" showing women > waltzing with hoops of all sizes, this is my favorite web video to watch, > it's like being transported in time... > Melody > > Ann Catelli wrote: > > --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >> otsisto@socket.net writes: >> >> Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to >> dance a waltz in that. >> >> **************** >> >> Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the >> period. > > In the 1860s, when hoops were worn, waltzes and polkas > and schottisches were all danced, vigorously. > > I, myself, while wearing my hoopskirts, have lead > other women in a full-turning waltz more than once. :) > > > So even a modern person, who does not wear hoops very > often, can waltz with little to no trouble in hoops. > > > Hoops are a bit like lampshades, though--if you move > one side down, the other is very likely to fly up. > > Ann in CT > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ooo, lookit the one that's two down from Katharina... it's black with a gold-coloured placket and all those PEARLS!!! I want to make that one... the hat's a little wacky, but oh wow, the black--is that velvet? Pearl work all down the sides, and more beading on the gold top of the placket... Yum... :) Meli De wrote: ------------------- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=3D11507&Empnum=3D0&Inicio=3D106 Click on the little picture and a new screen comes up, click on that pictur= e and another screen which will allow you to enlarge a bit more then the wikipedia and a bit clearer. From the left of the skirt it appears to be appliqu=E9 with embroidery for tacking down the edges and details. This wou= ld make sense to have the appliqu=E9 instead of reverse appliqu=E9 as the use = of scrapes was more frugal then cutting out a piece so that the background shows through. I had seen one painting with what appears to be reverse appliqu=E9 but the cutout pieces was used on the garment elsewhere. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 7 23:04:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9834DAa030788 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:04:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98348i3004496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:04:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98336Yi040017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:03:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l983335t079554; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:03:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98331Ua079534 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1226326wxc for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=eS7GwpKBp1VP9EAtZ5eRR0jIlclfHYk51bHkSbBZ4Ag=; b=RYdalrHaNVomKyAjPFA9p2gMXca7WVciqLOMX3841ruDMWwJr0tFIyHIiy/Gc1KgvCp7DLx2w0RhgFvqqbG5XLtiZvzfRF8fnJULNu4ZEyfxtf3T0y9Ohz4odTFjB/yGShzMPvakmXbUbo3j9ZRlqlSSqK5mNysYqVrNsCgjASU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=PGeGnGvb37CHOXEDyI4Engwm1hDpiQsk2pbkkkB/I9d9KeCdSQgG+SP3caCoALGBCMJmWoKW0t9XnbkvIK2wPrlaiLiewE9wEYtMgE3xulQxkQjF1SY7skNb5cSpOEckX9zgzJ/94ilQ0br7Ua9tH5IUk8sJgHkNxvhwqoavTeE= Received: by 10.90.96.7 with SMTP id t7mr2927563agb.1191812581565; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.51.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g3sm2405422wra.2007.10.07.20.02.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:02:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgJUslXbcNTzyzxTT+1V7KqxONzpwAA25jA Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47099de4.033a360a.677f.2ff3@mx.google.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5336850a-f4a2-4154-be56-6bab4cff6147 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47099E28.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO OMG ... those GLOVES!!!! That is a super super super fine leather ..... if it is real and not = just an artist interpretation. Hmmmm .... Does anyone know of an inventory of costumes and accessories for Katharina? Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Sharon Henderson Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:27 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Another German Gown Ooo, lookit the one that's two down from Katharina... it's black with a gold-coloured placket and all those PEARLS!!! I want to make that one... the hat's a little wacky, but oh wow, the black--is that velvet? Pearl work all down the sides, and more beading on the gold top of the placket... Yum... :) Meli De wrote: ------------------- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=3D11507&Empnum=3D0&Inicio=3D106 Click on the little picture and a new screen comes up, click on that = picture and another screen which will allow you to enlarge a bit more then the wikipedia and a bit clearer. From the left of the skirt it appears to be appliqu=E9 with embroidery for tacking down the edges and details. This = would make sense to have the appliqu=E9 instead of reverse appliqu=E9 as the = use of scrapes was more frugal then cutting out a piece so that the background shows through. I had seen one painting with what appears to be reverse appliqu=E9 but the cutout pieces was used on the garment elsewhere. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 03:02:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9872Qen027225 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:02:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9872LeQ029480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:02:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9871AWg064783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 01:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98716er062667; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 01:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98712TJ062598 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 01:01:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C3B63B0DE for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:01:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:01:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <47099de4.033a360a.677f.2ff3@mx.google.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14fcd93a-9a5a-4e8b-b10a-faa9a74e0f5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4709D5FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507&Empnum=0&Inicio=91 Scroll down to portrait of a woman. look at all the slash work and white gloves. http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507&Empnum=0&Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salomé con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. De -----Original Message----- OMG ... those GLOVES!!!! That is a super super super fine leather ..... if it is real and not just an artist interpretation. Hmmmm .... Does anyone know of an inventory of costumes and accessories for Katharina? Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 03:17:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l987HGGK029787 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:17:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l987HCcf004933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l987Gt3D066181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 01:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l987Gskt076544; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 01:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l987Go5H076479 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 01:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 340D43AF7C for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:16:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ideas Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:16:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ab8c850-05eb-4ea3-b54b-cb2258d72a40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4709D978.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Maybe a Persian coat? Can you remove the quilting without leaving marks or permanent stitch holes? With satin, you are looking more at Renaissance fudging then Medieval, especially shiny satin. Your also looking at winter attire with this satin as it does not breath. Plus you should not make anything out of it that you will want to wear around a fire. If you are in SCA or similar group and if you have a coat of arms the has green in it you could use the satin for heraldic display stuff. Though it would not be material of the 1300s and 1400s, you could make a sideless surcoat. Could use it for a cloak lining. Or you could make a Florentine giornea and/or gammurra http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/florentine.html De -----Original Message----- I've already used the sheets to make a simple kirtle. My problem is that I'm not exactly sure what to make out of it. Not only is it satin, but its quilted in sort of a strange way, I cannot find pictures and I would take one, but an aquaintance has my camera at the moment. The quilting is all symmetrical, in straight lines, but intead of being noral quiltingit has some of it sticking up on some of the seams, I'm not really sure how to perscribe it. I have a comforter, pillow cases and curtains. Preferably the clothing I would creat out of it would be in a medieval style. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.....Thank you..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 04:11:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l988BhWN004315 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:11:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l988BcCo012980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l988ABZZ072210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l988A6pp024956; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l988A16O024797 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:10:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so881239rvf for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:09:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CQfpt9CD8cCMMZ0oIO+kU4cfTINEOhHSj9bEekUrpsc=; b=FsFIPoAm8IV88pY5VgeJFtkKN8JgUgtG+n3hGRV9OJy5XcZw16zB6wlDq3aanDwpBKcXKEvU7aXgFtou+SuOhEwpYc9Fd10pnjhOhOQzDqXHvoBniTm7Ya+sPyOJQigOHSTAWfLZXeRDxxzUVuskOtuvCZzdN+O9ZIksH7Oz6FQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m5aRhBGbshnQhOXyrXyp4DVj0FJFsBpa0He8yyx5c9B8XEhfxSRhbSRCAvD9z3smZ5b6lpLfkD/QvMsql+tpVKaSP5haqUUtogEtDWNcl2LoWVKt3LEu18VMxNst/7IRx/tsvQEJ6wuLUvonuXYWgOlVDGLQggl8XZZXpsk+/+0= Received: by 10.141.99.4 with SMTP id b4mr232896rvm.1191830995389; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.26.20 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 01:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0710080109x1a8a221cv7af1842033b9c7ac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:09:55 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <47099de4.033a360a.677f.2ff3@mx.google.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aaf44fa9-5466-4629-b542-c0358511f680 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4709E63A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/5/01duke.html Katharina again in an even better view. > http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=3D11507&Empnum=3D0&Inicio=3D61 > Scroll down to Salom=E9 con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't te= ll if > it is lace or pearlwork or both. > Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. > That is a super super super fine leather ..... if it is real and not just= an > artist interpretation. Hmmmm .... Does anyone know of an inventory of > costumes and accessories for Katharina? Not just artistic licence: http://pintura.aut.org/SearchProducto?Produnum=3D132982 But Cranach did tend to be a little creative with his art. Sometimes the rings under the glove sit higher on the finger than a ring over the glove. Ah Pintura. I keep forgetting you despite the many hours I have spent wasting bandwidth over you. Michaela http://gtlittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 05:23:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l989Ng7x016137 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:23:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l989NbDC003597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l989MVRm082614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l989MSgq093507; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l989MNwG093429 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.51039214; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:21:58 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l989LsD19817.; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:21:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:21:53 +0100 Message-Id: <470A04B702000014000DB813@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:21:43 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ISBN, was 18th century costume book References: <200710080215.l982EjNN029263@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710080215.l982EjNN029263@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25c22eaa-8a2e-4def-be93-a20d8cf350af X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4709F719.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The new 13-digit ISBNs all start with 978.=20 Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 06:21:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98ALpSn027777 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:21:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98ALkf7029671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:21:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98ALEej090591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:21:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98ALCvJ047363; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l98AL9g0047231 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96439 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 10:21:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yK/Q67GWMs3jtYCbK+i3PFG035UFATTP+zW944aZ/TcrmNnLgI1ZeZpt052FItEBlqOchLeOjeZdtldOppvbiSDIudh7b4K2v8R1Y1jMRcCq1pg+AzxijsDiUTk+Dy/vxYRuHo4M+Q4rqCSs8uhvjHVoYz0bprxDbtvmF7jrJa4=; X-YMail-OSG: Kt3Y1W0VM1lV6n3m1DahnE391.7gn6BedyRYy5wwgPorhd8Hi25zUjYcvtBniZ.ymFyXqMLSpMog65D5jOd0Us0UX80.I1umbXZ5Fg74iZ0SZePm85QWvx52uHr.5w-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:21:04 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <005401c80914$87aa73f0$2b43a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <74848.95808.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22353b19-ffdd-4184-b763-45d71c2be244 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470A04BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, it is. It's a company that specializes on drafting patterns, modern, of course, and they sell a magazine which includes a pattern drafting section. The magazines are two: "Damenrundschau" and "Herrenrundschau". They publish books that collect the articles in the magazines, sorted by topic, like "Dresses", "Coats", and "Historical patterns - for men" and "Historical patterns - for women". I think the men's historical patterns are better, they include more patterns. But I've just glanced through, I don't have them, but am going to order them. The point is that you need to know how to make the basic dress sloper. That's explained once in a few years in the magazines or, it's in a separate book called "Kleider und Blusen". But that one costs around 100 euros and there are many modern garments, variations of dresses and such. It is a very good drafting method that they use, the best and most detailed one I've tried. You've got to learn quite a lot of thinks at the beginning to understand it, but when you get into it it's quite ok. Unfortunately, they don't have any real webpage, so the only thing I could do for you is to scan what they offer and the ordering card (but I believe you can order by mail too). Here's some information: http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0&m1=2&m2=14&select=&search=rundschau&detail=67 I think Fran from Lavolta Press has it, so you can ask her for her opinion, I don't know how much was she able to use it as, I think, she didn't have any information on how to do the sloper. Zuzana P.S.: All the publications are in German but you can do without the text. The only thing you have to understand is the sloper and you can get someone translate it for you - that's for all others who read this, as I believe that Bjarne can speak German... Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Do you have a title and ISBN nr.? Seems to be a very interresting book! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown > If you do pattern drafting, there is a German book on drafting historical > costumes and the Cranach gown is in it, it includes the drafting of the > top, sleeves (just the basic ones, all the puffs are on you), and three > possibilities of how to make the skirt. I use this book a lot and though I > haven't made directly this costume, the drafting methods are good and > usually lead to a good solution:-) > > It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting > magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting > instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th > century. > > > > Beteena Paradise wrote: I already have the > Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so > much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the > pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get > Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? > > Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by > sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or > regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight > between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton > velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking > of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and > then do one in the grander fabrics. > > Amy Cooper > wrote: > > Have you given any thought to patterns yet? > > -Amy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 07:10:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98BAh1Q031118 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:10:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98BAc4e024171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:10:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98B9UIk096680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98B9RsL092519; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98B9NlU092477 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:09:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 37CC2377D8 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:09:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:09:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0710080109x1a8a221cv7af1842033b9c7ac@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc733a3c-5c19-4194-af5b-1671caaa4121 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470A102E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have fanciful stuff, it doesn't explain the "lacy" stuff under the left arm. The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. I have other garments to analyze so this one is on the back burner for now. De -----Original Message----- > http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507&Empnum=0&Inicio=61 > Scroll down to Salomé con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if > it is lace or pearlwork or both. > Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 09:32:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98DWnaT002325 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:32:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98DWiIV003466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:32:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98DVOsI022058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98DVLgV050316; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l98DVIKB050109 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 14071 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2007 13:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@76.244.153.205 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2007 13:31:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EMAgdysVM1km07UHuCqpJ245ECzAznhC32hUhFLPGJ__N4JZ Message-ID: <470A3102.9010605@pierocarey.info> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:30:42 -0400 From: Mary + Doug Piero Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200710080215.l982EjNN029263@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710080215.l982EjNN029263@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 479 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 477313ad-7aad-4c28-94d4-37c3d0db4c5e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470A317C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sylrog asked: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98DeqbH002514 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:40:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98DelDY006087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:40:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98DeSEV023507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Ddrq0059594; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Dda5w059352 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.236.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.236]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Iespa-0000Tt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:39:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <470A3102.9010605@pierocarey.info> References: <200710080215.l982EjNN029263@net.indra.com> <470A3102.9010605@pierocarey.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 479 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:41:43 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1a22b4b-0b3e-4333-876c-092c6b1af1b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470A335F.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO As I said in a previous posting, Kinko's got into MAJOR copyright- violation trouble ten or so years ago and since then their policy has been Extreme Vigilance, to the point of absurdity. If you have something other than your own typescript or your own drawings to copy, go somewhere else. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: > Sylrog asked: > > or making > Yes, I have seen Kinkos staff snooping around. More often, I've > seen a customer ask for help with a machine, and the staffer asks > just what they want to do. (This is an entirely proper question, > as you often can't tell what settings to use if you don't know what > the desired result is.) So the customer shows the staffer what they > want to copy, and then the staffer decrees that the customer would > be violating copyright and shoos the customer out the door. The > problem is that Kinkos' interpretation of Fair Use has almost > always been wrong, when I've been observing. > > As for my own experiences, the color copy problem happened back in > the days when they didn't have color copiers for public use, you > had to have them do it. The problem with my b&w copies for > insurance documentation was that the size of the originals required > the use of the extra-large platen machine. This, again, was not > for general public use. Believe me, knowing Kinkos' ignorance, I > would NEVER have asked them to make any copy I could do myself! > > It may just be that management in my region has a bug up its butt, > and this policy isn't nationwide. > > Mary Piero Carey > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 11:05:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98F5oKo004565 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:05:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98F5jxE030866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:05:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98F4MCU036275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98F4AtU054965; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98F45rw054768 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.22]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:04:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:04:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 70.56.177.67 by BAY133-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:03:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.56.177.67] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <74848.95808.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:04:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:04:10 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2007 15:04:00.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[75435DF0:01C809BC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e2d66aa-1f13-4754-95c2-fee42b6f9c19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470A4749.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Page 8 of this pdf document looks promising. It is pretty small, but I bet you the first 3 are what you are looking for. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown > > Here's some information: > > http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0&m1=2&m2=14&select=&search=rundschau&detail=67 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 11:35:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98FZZ1B005368 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:35:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98FZUnx028660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:35:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98FYxlY043212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98FYu53096851; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.73]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l98BirVk031141 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 66008 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 11:44:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Pt23zvoVM1maB3IRKl07ulzwSDSgupxBFT91iBVubnYsS4xrZA9aeHLhm7sfmnhoDJFKxcuAeg-- Received: from [81.152.18.71] by web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:44:48 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:44:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <437448.64848.qm@web1003.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: bed86936-97ad-4ee5-9f1e-cab9f9f605c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470A4E42.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yeah, that gown has been on my to-do list for a while. It's stunning! Sharon Henderson wrote: Ooo, lookit the one that's two down from Katharina... it's black with a gold-coloured placket and all those PEARLS!!! I want to make that one... the hat's a little wacky, but oh wow, the black--is that velvet? Pearl work all down the sides, and more beading on the gold top of the placket... Yum... :) Meli _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 11:54:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98FswP2005980 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:54:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98Fsrfc031212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:54:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98Fr3u5046262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Fqh9C022602; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98FqRMf022238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l98FqMuQ010821 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:52:25 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52832.72.13.239.193.1191859731.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Used book sources From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d157c304-dde8-4900-85b2-84e86b6cfd9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470A52CD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Another used book source is half.com, which is the non-auction branch of e-Bay. It's not great for the rarer costume books that we listmembers like, but it's worth checking first. This is where people unload books for $2 to $10 or so, and they have good descriptions for condition. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 12:20:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GKA6Y006658 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:20:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98GK5VQ021487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:20:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98GIvfE053249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GIm4n060483; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:18:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GIPrm059720 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CA6105CAC for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:18:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <470A5875.7050200@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:19:01 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Used book sources References: <52832.72.13.239.193.1191859731.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <52832.72.13.239.193.1191859731.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec614bfa-75ab-4229-8162-4226bd929b0c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470A58B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 12:24:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GOke6006798 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:24:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98GOf6G028219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:24:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98GOAJr054365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:24:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GMjsn065888; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:22:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l98GJYJe061426 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABDSWYDFASG7CK2 for (sender ); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:18:45 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgnzjRbVUNGsT1/QJF4KgugU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MZJVMTHN; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:18:40 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:01:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Used book sources Message-ID: <20071008.091737.120.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 7:3:3889302806 X-MAIL-INFO: 12a450145099d5d099d5f494d5f4213581208dc4b4c12009f555b47009659154091da139a490a4f934f4ddd5a494 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95112bc6-d5df-473d-8cef-c6aa5c4a8277 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470A59C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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This is where > people unload books for $2 to $10 or so, and they have good > descriptions for condition. > > -Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 12:35:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GZXrr007079 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:35:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98GZSgd001662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98GYp4h056085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GYjaM081437; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63712.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63712.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l98GYCiC080624 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3897 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 16:34:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gec1EH4i9LDG9Q7gzkfmvZC7ddSrl4XxRdB32OvoqbqjXFr1Q47FFT0ZHgNXrwUOKvom75QF1SNfy/bQsjCQvjuEmsQ7RQpnSLKW+0kBv13ryD47lgG3uy0ZPtEfEAdlnuaLx5/e+vxfHyUXfRDAOk9KBkcbxlkCYhAIEe93ZFE=; X-YMail-OSG: m3R5ETQVM1lYgf..JbbbkeGALqfteum4MxONhg2m4BwyM.fk02cHsHIB.x4434a66_g6.0Q7gFr2.R.y4qQQo8cVavE9rFwPo6EU Received: from [66.14.198.240] by web63712.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:34:06 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <778317.3776.qm@web63712.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 429b5373-8458-46be-a5ca-37e27180dd64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470A5C51.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I dont mean to inturrupts but.. If you need help with the captions nd such,I spent 5 years in German schools and though I 'm no official trnsltor,and it hs been while, Id love to help. Bambi Saragrace Knauf wrote: Page 8 of this pdf document looks promising. It is pretty small, but I bet you the first 3 are what you are looking for. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown > > Here's some information: > > http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0&m1=2&m2=14&select=&search=rundschau&detail=67 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 12:45:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GjgF9007355 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:45:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98GjZsL003914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:45:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98GivHV057756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:44:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GioJJ094348; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Gi1TM093060 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jimandsandytoscano@comcast.net) Received: from home11ros223ap (c-68-55-175-126.hsd1.md.comcast.net[68.55.175.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20071008164323m1400ovhs9e>; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:43:23 +0000 From: "Sandy Toscano" To: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:43:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c809ca$5323d480$6401a8c0@home11ros223ap> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcgJylKe1PKe/Ch/TPiYRrbITb9XSQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Looking for an article X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5c6cf7c0-0ac4-4b99-b15f-423fe7ade94f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470A5EAF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sandy Toscano _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 12:50:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GovfO007472 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:50:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98Goqkn006967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98GoLG6059117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GoGES002383; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Go8w1002054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48215) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ievnr-000493-4b; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:49:59 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <20071008124959.dc3a4birm8cg04gw@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:49:59 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for an article References: <000801c809ca$5323d480$6401a8c0@home11ros223ap> In-Reply-To: <000801c809ca$5323d480$6401a8c0@home11ros223ap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a366c814-5ac9-42a2-8523-78af01c90bd3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470A5FEC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The reference is: > > > > Arnold, J., "Elizabethan and Jacobean smocks and shirts", Waffenund > Kostumkunde, Pt. 2 (1977), pp 89-110. > > > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this article? > Your library should be able to get it for you via InterLibrary Loan. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 12:54:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98GsYMR007557 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:54:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98GsSvk008851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:54:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98Gs2kM059618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Grunq007310; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l98GrYpu006658 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86255 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 16:53:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yx6lQdGQOdst4qjajIVj7fHHG9ccbxxvL9Nmwt/gACZhVIT/3f3RKT9XaGdvpVvATXtRobD1K6YbVXPjNZf9FgCppqPqF5Kru+ui7nI5O34SX2nnoxBCgsRJS8Qgr+oFZaRc7Lyms4rGqBRA3f89PLL7Eh+gRl8zUaUhRCdMEog=; X-YMail-OSG: HnPgI5oVM1l9bbVtaLZqi.70PHcvecVtVp6lBVYCY8qfiwk02x0LHqrl_6JLJxo3gFE3HLrPLCr63DupLG6mey22dbc4yuykA4eVlthc2sV.Z64KHAM- Received: from [208.179.44.208] by web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:53:27 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <950494.86026.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82c3a98f-9ead-4b06-9977-cca0b43f4a7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470A60C4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I haven't been able to get into this site all morning. I think I know which picture you're talking about, but I can't tell! Could someone send me a .jpg of it directly? MaggiRos --- otsisto wrote: > Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have > fanciful stuff, it > doesn't explain the "lacy" stuff under the left arm. > The hemd is painted to > be very sheer and there looks to be something very > sheer under the forearm > but the angle of the white speckle could be > pearlwork on a sheer material or > maybe the floral lace was made in this era. > I have other garments to analyze so this one is on > the back burner for now. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > > > http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507&Empnum=0&Inicio=61 > > Scroll down to Salom� con la cabeza de San Juan > Bautista #12 I can't tell > if > > it is lace or pearlwork or both. > > Love the sleeves. > > Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely > to be lace (It was > still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and > delicate foliate > designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later > still). Also the > Germans were rather less fond of lace than the > English, French, > Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you > see later tends to > be understated. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 15:52:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98JqEvr012154 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:52:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98Jq8QA009927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:52:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98JoxoJ092990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Jo9WF049342; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l98Jmt2M047346 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:49:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5461 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 19:48:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PIxnnkqPVazDmG9dWGAJFqJKh6tDWkV+Kwesan1q6EASpQicxgfvUtQ+PyMX6KWRf+fZ/WVWmFpagXR4ic2WEJngm61VfP7QW9OLyngyiBwybJiKxAi07x4XG1/iPIFdiMuY9CUWYkDJGvwmr+5XoG5ZB7xKuI2xMiPJZkw+fgw=; X-YMail-OSG: fbU40XUVM1lYK8hPpaAg9XjFU03L8r4d914V8ClcjBcdeWGZwwFCzxyHxvaHlfZSnw-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:48:34 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <201577.5456.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] cranach gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f84247a-ce04-483f-b4c7-8e76d880affc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470A8A68.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'll rather send this to all so that everyone who is interested can order something. Here: http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/rundschau.pdf is a list of things they offer, and there should be all information necessary for the order. The first two books are the ones that come in question, and the "Kleider and Blusen" book for the sloper (they claim there is one, so let's hope they're right).Anyway, I can give you this necessary "sloper" information myself, so that you have something to start with. Just contact me privately:-) I've called them and asked whether there was any additional information (like sloper) for the men's historical patterns necessary, and they told me no. So no need to order anything more for the men's patterns. (Actually, I wouldn't be too sure about this, but as soon as I get this book I'll let you know - I should get it till the end of October, but I hope it'll come sooner:-)) It's all in German, unfortunately, BUT as I said, you won't need it much... I don't read the texts either...even though they are interesting, but I wouldn't say necessary. You only have to understand the basics, but then it's ok... Anyway, Bambi said she would be so kind and translate something, if you needed it, and you can ask me too, but since I'm not an English native speaker, I'll never be so good:-) Zuzana --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 16:00:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98K06CV012350 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:00:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98K00AC008018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:00:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98JwM4l094417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Jvc9q059333; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5a.socket.net [216.106.26.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98JvUer059106 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 381E137444 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:57:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:57:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <950494.86026.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c14d23c-b408-4e46-bc4b-415938042ba4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470A8C40.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I seem to be having problems as well. I'll see if it is on another site. In the mean time found this http://worldart.sjsu.edu/VieO4319$18982*2454744 As for the black w/pearls, a large clearer image http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23244 Found it http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23232 http://tinyurl.com/22skb2 -----Original Message----- I haven't been able to get into this site all morning. I think I know which picture you're talking about, but I can't tell! Could someone send me a .jpg of it directly? MaggiRos --- otsisto wrote: > Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have > fanciful stuff, it > doesn't explain the "lacy" stuff under the left arm. > The hemd is painted to > be very sheer and there looks to be something very > sheer under the forearm > but the angle of the white speckle could be > pearlwork on a sheer material or > maybe the floral lace was made in this era. > I have other garments to analyze so this one is on > the back burner for now. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > > > http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507&Empnum=0&Inicio=61 > > Scroll down to Salom� con la cabeza de San Juan > Bautista #12 I can't tell > if > > it is lace or pearlwork or both. > > Love the sleeves. > > Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely > to be lace (It was > still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and > delicate foliate > designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later > still). Also the > Germans were rather less fond of lace than the > English, French, > Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you > see later tends to > be understated. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 18:07:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98M7nuw015746 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:07:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98M7iNU005855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98M6ft0014388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98M6XAt027002; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98M62Ie026337 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bc3.1ab6f0af (48624) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:05:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:05:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Used book sources To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist X-UUID: e314a593-bd89-4995-ab11-ce8d434caca2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470AAA30.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 18:39:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98MdMv1016684 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:39:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98MdCsX014906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:39:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98McfVf018290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98MceQ8065684; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98McajG065534 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.195] (sjs-130-65-37-195.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.195]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98McUoU012602 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Used book sources Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:38:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb98134a-69f3-452d-9184-39d5917c7e59 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470AB190.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If possible I'll spend a bit more to go with a seller that's within easy driving distance, should there be a problem with the book not matching the description and quality listing. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 18:41:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98MfJPI016738 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:41:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98MfEf6015853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:41:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98JnJlk092622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98Jn4Ln047908; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l98Jm8Cg046475 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52595 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2007 19:47:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EQuKEETaOiLO0nV+Tiz0o3AZF5a8+eJ9vbdWAMaGOn+h4HBHVBssEpQ9hAZ/Kxg3V7onpCVKqU8x07ddI5qnq+TANVaNa+qdyKy3WElaoG8jiiBx+Vx0U2hFl2u8kxVu9ldPTnCck2xu2PDcQIHsdBEqvb5SuPEKgKoFVhRhCYw=; X-YMail-OSG: 2UbaqZEVM1nPudRK5b0Cld0in7qGK60RSnPl8lHPxyjIc6aap9pSbCI.CJ9ulJ.NOpLVmJFP.g-- Received: from [208.179.44.208] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:47:48 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 479 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <174093.52516.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbde3f4f-8de7-4a22-9707-d95d3d895eed X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470AB20A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes but the question is, if you're copying out of a book or magazine, does someone come around and stop you? MaggiRos --- Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > As I said in a previous posting, Kinko's got into > MAJOR copyright- > violation trouble ten or so years ago and since then > their policy has > been Extreme Vigilance, to the point of absurdity. > If you have > something other than your own typescript or your own > drawings to > copy, go somewhere else. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey > wrote: > > > Sylrog asked: > > > > make copies for you > > or what they are > > making > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 19:32:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98NW0S9018102 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:32:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l98NVsM9016033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:31:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l98NUcBb024133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98NUYMP020402; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l98NUQ1A020199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.202] (dial-209-148-113-202.sonic.net [209.148.113.202]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l98NUOwP022812 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:30:25 -0700 Message-ID: <470ABD90.1030707@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:30:24 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Used book sources References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e52a4d7b-5a4e-4165-9ed8-091993726d9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470ABDEA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Personally, when I want a rare antiquarian book where an expert vendor describes every nuance of the condition in paragraphs of detail, I go to an antiquarian bookseller (and one with a return policy, though I never order anything unless I'm sure I want it, so I very rarely return anything). There are a couple of associations of same who define terms, and have guidelines for members who are listing books. See: http://www.abaa.org/cgi-bin/abaa/abaapages/glossary.html http://www.ioba.org/desc.html http://www.rbms.info/yob.shtml When I want serendipitous finds at a wide range of prices, I go to eBay. Well, actually, I spend a couple of hours every day browsing eBay. I'm doing it even as I write this e-mail. For modern books I always buy in new condition wherever possible. But if the book is out of print and I have to buy a used copy, I look at Addall/used before Amazon Marketplace. That's because most of the booksellers whose merchandise is listed on Addall are pros. The one thing I don't do, is expect an amateur, nonspecialist vendor to give me the same service as a specialist, only cheaper. It's unreasonable and fruitless to expect random eBay or Marketplace sellers just trying to unload the contents of their personal library, or their grandmother's attic, to have spent the years that pros spend learning about their merchandise. When I buy on eBay, as long as they send the item and it is not really, grossly, different from the listing, I take what I get without complaint. I've been going to auctions since childhood, and that's what auctions are all about. It's a form of gambling, only at least you get something or other for your money even when you "lose." Also, I've spent a great deal of time gaining expertise myself, so I don't have to rely on the vendors so much. I also don't expect a used book to be in the same condition as a new one, only cheaper. If it's in used condition, I expect it to reflect that. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Andrew T Trembley wrote: > I prefer to buy from dealers I know, but usually it's just combing > through the stock and seeing if there's anything interesting. I'll > still ask if they can find something they don't have in stock, usually > waiting until I decide I can't live without it anymore. > > In that case, I've used Amazon marketplace with good results. > > I still: > 1. review the seller feedback. > 2. check where the seller is located. > 3. see if the seller has any other web presence. > > If possible I'll spend a bit more to go with a seller that's within > easy driving distance, should there be a problem with the book not > matching the description and quality listing. > > andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 20:26:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l990QCj2019303 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:26:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l990Q7uE004309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:26:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l990PYSW031537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l990PWoA076095; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:25:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l990PVvG075989 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1099165rvf for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Nnt0yLe0LpKKfZPib6p3XC10NCyZ9BtlKi+w9bIwPWE=; b=NOrythJSBTj8ilpPOKPQftuvxMlSL1GP353CAyam56wB/alGQSo3Ri8vksfIo+2K022hbjXA5vBtGPQXd6G63UMX6UmutBX/pS/lEcO0me2mYYjVEBM8lbDeoP9Clfo5BGaHhbd4ohCtBycJDvNEFTw2g2V/6J61ksq1NpHE3I0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bchcCVjLsfJxL1et52lPKgu5KOWsJA11P/xET6yxX+Bjsd+eVpyk4nhHzvC1TzxPppWKcVDong4G5Au5xS0KMnDK1/WkLf++qCyX9P6UAg9g6zc8dWP292fy5TPd3mWck3kmyGj3mLVjAbAOwlz3K9opF0MmAlw3SmoIIzFXXAA= Received: by 10.141.154.5 with SMTP id g5mr2299050rvo.1191889525230; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.26.20 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0710081725j35975099q1ff6dfaaad06a896@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:25:25 +1300 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <73fb7a5f0710080109x1a8a221cv7af1842033b9c7ac@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99597606-daaa-4db6-9974-9eab330b3300 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470ACA9F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm I'm not sure that it is. It looks more like there was a belt originally that was painted over. The curve matches the way he painted them in other artworks. > but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or > maybe the floral lace was made in this era. http://www.costumes.org/History/100pages/18THLACE.HTM http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/metabook/oilace.html That latter is just for Italian laces but it does have lots of extant examples. It may well have been overpainted at a later date. Chranach was churning these ladies out like nobodies business it seems because they were a good seller. This one is a particularly rushed job compared to some of his finer more carefully painted figures. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 21:45:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l991jWeV020581 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:45:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l991jRfb014426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:45:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l991iM9w040736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:44:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l991iIPd054403; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3b.socket.net [216.106.88.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l991iFDn054340 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B56263F776 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:44:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0710081725j35975099q1ff6dfaaad06a896@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3aa42829-987a-4053-a0ba-9359614b121e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470ADD37.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO discusssion picture http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23232 It might be lace. This sort of looks like a possibility http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/renaissance/lace/7.gif though it is not German. It is also 1598 so yes it's a far reach. :) -----Original Message----- > The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm I'm not sure that it is. It looks more like there was a belt originally that was painted over. The curve matches the way he painted them in other artworks. > but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or > maybe the floral lace was made in this era. http://www.costumes.org/History/100pages/18THLACE.HTM http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/metabook/oilace.html That latter is just for Italian laces but it does have lots of extant examples. Cranach was churning these ladies out like nobodies business it seems because they were a good seller. This one is a particularly rushed job compared to some of his finer more carefully painted figures. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 22:21:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l992L6L1021247 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:21:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l992KnQx031338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:21:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l992J9u5044298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l992J7Zm086972; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l992J3oK086904 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.173.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.173]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1If4gY-0001fb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:19:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <174093.52516.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <174093.52516.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 479 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:21:13 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b23daeb-e1ad-4c6a-b360-315fd44458f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470AE581.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The only jobs my truelove and I have tried to take to Kinko's have been oversized paper or color xeroxing, and for both we had to go to the desk and ask someone to do the copying for us....precipitating horrified refusals (see my earlier post for details). We don't go in there anymore--we go to a small but competent copy center owned by local people who DO understand fair use. So I can't tell you if my local Kinko's has people patrolling. But I'd suspect that, patrols or not, if they happened to notice someone copying out of a magazine or other bound object they'd step in. I imagine other people have more extensive experience with Kinko's and can comment more definitively. --Ruth Anne On Oct 8, 2007, at 3:47 PM, MaggiRos wrote: > Yes but the question is, if you're copying out of a > book or magazine, does someone come around and stop > you? > > MaggiRos > > --- Ruth Anne Baumgartner > wrote: > >> As I said in a previous posting, Kinko's got into >> MAJOR copyright- >> violation trouble ten or so years ago and since then >> their policy has >> been Extreme Vigilance, to the point of absurdity. >> If you have >> something other than your own typescript or your own >> drawings to >> copy, go somewhere else. >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey >> wrote: >> >>> Sylrog asked: >>> >>> > make copies for you >>> or > what they are >>> making >> > > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The > village was burning when we got here. > > Anon. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 8 23:01:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l993111R021871 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:01:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9930uDw017641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:01:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l992xhgM048327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:59:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l992xaUv024403; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l992xXRd024271 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from trixiepixie.trouble@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so897092nze for ; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KhVdh5465E8M7/Gib1KLhrUXqzccxka4iMnoMhjB8A0=; b=QfAPftkGcQZrSunByn7ymEnwse8IMaL1W04WZ7hkC2SCBvOBsABbdDuUM0Omo3K+u3K6SdzIn5DIBKo840mAfnDOFYBpJjCKo9E71a0I9cDiYBJdmZFx02cGDL1QPN+l5l4KKoSupCtYm33bEr3SwZE7DWEbW36Guocf/iuFnpk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RVZI0SHGCKxKTe/NCVDLf3mGjG/lnba+X5/5nJpdUTxs0weF4g+IJm7R8QUS5Hvke3UZditmvb6lJGnbPjhZVmVqjAPj4uoDpC38rglDYyesaWIolstLGlqW79NCap1PGzjSbFUxpzJb4Sf7GR2BVNtGQTQwKXoB0LP8+48IXgw= Received: by 10.142.142.16 with SMTP id p16mr2331232wfd.1191898766827; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.2.8 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30dd7acc0710081959u29f91c6dj62a3fad6f7c5d3e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:59:26 -0600 From: "Danielle M. Dewey" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 734e8f04-3c31-428a-a8da-57fc29159c7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470AEEE8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A persian coat might work. It is a fairly thick comforter it would be warm. It is a little shiny though. I just know I am never going to use it again as a bedspread and thought I could put it to use. Well thank you for the ideas, and if anyone thinks of anything else by all means please share *=B4=A8) =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ (=B8.=B7=B4 . On 10/8/07, otsisto wrote: > > Maybe a Persian coat? > Can you remove the quilting without leaving marks or permanent stitch > holes? > With satin, you are looking more at Renaissance fudging then Medieval, > especially shiny satin. Your also looking at winter attire with this sati= n > as it does not breath. Plus you should not make anything out of it that > you > will want to wear around a fire. > If you are in SCA or similar group and if you have a coat of arms the has > green in it you could use the satin for heraldic display stuff. > Though it would not be material of the 1300s and 1400s, you could make a > sideless surcoat. Could use it for a cloak lining. Or you could make a > Florentine giornea and/or gammurra > http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/florentine.html > > De > > -----Original Message----- > I've already used the sheets to make a simple > kirtle. My problem is that I'm not exactly sure what to make out of it. > Not only is it satin, but its quilted in sort of a strange way, I cannot > find pictures and I would take one, but an aquaintance has my camera at > the > moment. The quilting is all symmetrical, in straight lines, but intead of > being noral quiltingit has some of it sticking up on some of the seams, > I'm > not really sure how to perscribe it. I have a comforter, pillow cases and > curtains. Preferably the clothing I would creat out of it would be in a > medieval style. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.....Thank > you..... > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --=20 *=B4=A8) =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ (=B8.=B7=B4 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 00:42:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l994g159023793 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 00:42:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l994fplR015754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 00:41:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l994eswI060906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l994efaY016437; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:40:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l994ebk2016314 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:40:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071009044033.WYXW6410.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 00:40:33 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.213]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id y4gX1X00B4cxKws0000000; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:40:31 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <415974.82012.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 00:40:31 -0400 Message-ID: <00b001c80a2e$86401860$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <415974.82012.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf+8twBw4Wq65ljQby+Y94Uh2nirgLO4pDA X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80268687-a8d2-499c-8703-9eb9649e6087 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470B068F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just out of curiosity would his name be Richard Collins? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection I have a friend who is both a lawyer and a costumed weirdo like the rest of us. He practices here in California, but he might be able to provide some guidance. Contact information available on request. MaggiRos No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1057 - Release Date: 10/8/2007 9:04 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 00:53:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l994rLLp023910 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 00:53:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l994rGDN022447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 00:53:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l994qHBs062198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l994qGXb026424; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l994qC2c026328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.42] (dial-209-148-113-42.sonic.net [209.148.113.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l994qAWT023645 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:52:11 -0700 Message-ID: <470B08FA.6020701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:52:10 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Who licenses or acts as an agent for textile designs X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 503eb6b6-72de-4c46-8491-02b8a8d88380 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470B093C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A publisher friend of mine wants to find someone to license and market, for mass manufacture, many years' worth of batik designs, only a small number of which are represented on: http://www.alicewalkerbatik.com/Gallery/ Personally, I want the butterfly design on a velvet cape (a real shaped cape, not as shown; for which the design would probably have to be re-shaped) as an antique gold butterfly on a warm brown background, maybe with some beaded accents. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 01:18:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l995InIn024354 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:18:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l995Ii3u008402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:18:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l995IJSW069628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l995IGu1052344; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l995IChu052177 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:18:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20071009051807m1300og2hte>; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 05:18:07 +0000 Message-ID: <470B0F19.7090309@bovil.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:18:17 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who licenses or acts as an agent for textile designs References: <470B08FA.6020701@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <470B08FA.6020701@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a74138bf-1888-417a-ab2b-42d7d6bbca32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470B0F34.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > A publisher friend of mine wants to find someone to license and > market, for mass manufacture, many years' worth of batik designs, only > a small number of which are represented on: Check out the Surface Design Association They may offer networking opportunities that could help make this happen. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 01:54:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l995sjcJ025084 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:54:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l995seoT027486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:54:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l995rWdW075100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l995rUjA082333; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l995rQGY082282 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A72038DB0488; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:52:32 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Used book sources Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:53:56 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c80a38$c82eb650$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgJ+HUH18sPcAvPQ06bzxzxUVdg4gAQBUHg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f300192-cef4-4f2b-a0f3-800ecc6d2ce2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470B17A0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Also, check Amazon/Canada and Amazon/UK. I got a copy of "Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe:Unlock'd" that way. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Used book sources In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:54:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: Another used book source is half.com, which is the non-auction branch of e-Bay. It's not great for the rarer costume books that we listmembers like, but it's worth checking first. This is where people unload books for $2 to $10 or so, and they have good descriptions for condition. And this is the one where I've suffered the most disappointment of listed books' not being available. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 10:27:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99ERqP8019798 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:27:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l99ERlcd022564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:27:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l99EQcRR024532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99EQUZN007674; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99EQQvR007585 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2105249waf for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:26:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=kL7UhWzwapvy6i+09Al5rfq2COIsOCIUNZXHsAezS0M=; b=DU6HeYkb74kafRzsR+C73Fy/cLE6hDb0tAv9QcUVpna893x9fRf1juKvEh/aogpolN6pcjwrjPCXCu7ov8DRDlggJ72i0By/n6FhDj4WkkIgwPAFQBst0G2B2r9jYn8Ow+Ud4oLPIzmmcET/osECpOezqfRujbHcn5/UPv9dRqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WMzrxDjGBIn3vvHBp2cyU3HFg58bh4U3aRxLf406LgPx5WzABVsuAiTPygLhYr9t26iEb8QYU0OO/zJzW5iDUxGyVE8F5ry0iJk/m64ujXGGz1UaR1qlIQNxkm6stqyTe3bcj9OOaktmNnIFjP2YPiWxKtbh/t+MGDtHY4i6Z/k= Received: by 10.115.23.12 with SMTP id a12mr968748waj.1191939985246; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.17 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 07:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <228c7530710090726p7c24d41x80dd4da967e48572@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:26:25 +1000 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' patterns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db70c6f4-029e-4078-aa67-82c0022be04d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470B8FE3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello De , thanks for doing all this research -- I have now done some myself. (looots of other links, and this one) > http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html My still-fiance has pretty much told me that what he would like is the "1790's Frock Coate' 1837 - 1890" from this page, but they are saying on their main page that they (Harper House) have just changed hands and moved and might not have all items ready for shipping. http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/Menspatterns.html seem to carry the same frock, but the e-mail even bounced. At a closer look, there doesn't seem to be that much out there! Everybody is carrying items by everybody else -- this frock for example is by Tailor's Guide, so I thought I'd ask them directly. In fact, I've only found a few online pattern shops which have their own patterns for this period: Tailor's Guide http://www.tailorsguide.com/ (http://www.tailorsguide.com/images/f-coat.html) Rocking Horse Farm (http://rockinghorse-farm.com/ ) -- but they are closed until end of October Kannik's Korner have a few interesting things at http://www.kannikskorner.com/patmen2.htm and of course Past Patterns, but at http://www.pastpatterns.com/men.html, nothing resembles that style. Does anyone on this list have any experience with these businesses? (if not, I'll probably be the first one). I myself have already traded with Past Patterns, and the service was prompt and very good. Even as I'm ordering from outside the country. btw... oh yes... has anyone made any of their patterns and can point to pictures? It would be great to see them made up. Barbara M ar en _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 16:20:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99KKMOJ032067 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l99KKHdw023199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:20:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l99KJ7jX026033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99KIwhJ072479; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1g.socket.net [216.106.88.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99KIqik072341 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C91E3AFFC for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:18:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' patterns Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <228c7530710090726p7c24d41x80dd4da967e48572@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a655ab67-28fe-43df-af7f-73037d2b565d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470BE281.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have used Past patterns and have learned that you definitly need a mock up. Some of their patterns have problems and not always in the same area. Clear instruction has been the main problem. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 16:32:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99KWLIC032442 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:32:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l99KWGr0015672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:32:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l99KVm9V027702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99KVaUc089256; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l99KVUtd089119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.168] (dial-209-148-113-168.sonic.net [209.148.113.168]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l99KVO3w018661 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:31:25 -0700 Message-ID: <470BE51D.6040205@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:31:25 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who licenses or acts as an agent for textile designs References: <470B08FA.6020701@lavoltapress.com> <470B0F19.7090309@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <470B0F19.7090309@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e6bab30-a2ac-413b-82bb-864b7d1e2a8c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470BE550.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, will pass it on. If memory serves (which maybe it doesn't), I saw or even subscribed to their journal back when I was doing a lot of weaving. If it's the one I remember, it described a lot of interesting techniques being used by textile artists. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Andrew Trembley wrote: > Lavolta Press wrote: > >> A publisher friend of mine wants to find someone to license and >> market, for mass manufacture, many years' worth of batik designs, only >> a small number of which are represented on: > > > > Check out the Surface Design Association > > > They may offer networking opportunities that could help make this happen. > > andy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 21:31:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A1VZso008240 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:31:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9A1VGQk010969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:31:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9A1U3RO061633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A1Ts8A004713; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9A1ToVc004588 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABDS2LZQA4USJ62 for (sender ); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7kAAg8MReaLBFVWiypguBo9phUvMmyAx2g== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MZNFGXU2; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:28:18 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:06:01 -0500 Message-ID: <20071009.202729.588.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,13-14 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 5:2:612761782 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kinko's Ignorance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78a77c31-3c05-4157-ad93-1c6559a173b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470C2B64.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > We don't go in > there anymore--we go to a small but competent copy center owned by > local people who DO understand fair use. So I can't tell you if my > local Kinko's has people patrolling. But I'd suspect that, patrols > or > not, if they happened to notice someone copying out of a magazine or > other bound object they'd step in. I imagine other people have more > extensive experience with Kinko's and can comment more definitively. I've needed to photocopy character sheets for convention games out of the book(s) I'm demoing, have done this on several occasions, and have never been chased down by Kinko's employees. Of course, the closest one to my job is always busy, I might be sneaking under the radar simply by not chasing down the employees myself with questions. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 23:22:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A3M1IP011075 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:22:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9A3Lucp004028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:21:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9A3KhGC075743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A3KeRd004011; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outT.internet-mail-service.net (outT.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A3KYfq003901 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.40) with ESMTP; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:20:33 -0700 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id CE91D1265FD; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:20:32 -0700 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' patterns Message-ID: <20071010032032.GA96113@idiom.com> References: <228c7530710090726p7c24d41x80dd4da967e48572@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <228c7530710090726p7c24d41x80dd4da967e48572@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6eb523e7-c8ec-4385-b22a-ab500dce1712 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470C4554.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 10 Oct 2007, Barbara -_- M aren wrote: > Hello De , > > thanks for doing all this research -- I have now done some myself. If you don't mind a little more work, I am fond of Men's Garments 1830-1900: A Guide to Pattern Cutting and Tailoring by R. I. Davis It will show you how to draft a pattern for a tail coat or frock coat. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 9 23:51:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A3pd34011637 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:51:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9A3pSOx000385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:51:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9A3owGE079127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:50:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A3oubS030756; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A3orx4030662 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:50:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from trixiepixie.trouble@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so73661nze for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:50:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4kILxJNNXvHtY1prTHMllyFjoxZgCiLBDxY+SCw7C4Y=; b=SSWch6ana8vqF+HatwlC46QP2PermjWCskaiiqqXpclRr756oif0M/xuq+ktnm48aljJ9hoaNFJ6YOdVMELZ/vX1N+2R9rcf3f8d/t31bfuNu6Wi7rUeWF+QWNlvtisYMoUrg1RUNdb1OMO0sC2vS3a0OCTNtT+0tWEVav31iJ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qFNy1D74y8NuPPjl+q34N9Vt32RQK9LExh5XKDZDIVXC/TD5PWomi6e19m8WNSN23Hwd1FaXeV7qiZsHpLntm4Wb3NEbi5nuwtqmWe5bIexIjV1fTFdC/sxvMrVqFwCiQMavy7FvLPkKgkJ3Y7C+XNYqIenOJhJsWSMXX+iZCyY= Received: by 10.142.49.4 with SMTP id w4mr14934wfw.1191988250525; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.2.8 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30dd7acc0710092050k20a34ff2m39282ca4c4c8f34a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:50:50 -0600 From: "Danielle M. Dewey" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas In-Reply-To: <30dd7acc0710081959u29f91c6dj62a3fad6f7c5d3e0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710081959u29f91c6dj62a3fad6f7c5d3e0@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5ca2a87-db78-484d-8499-75ef7039a54f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470C4C40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I finally found pictures of the set if it helps at all. http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=3Dview¤t= =3DGREENTEA1.jpg http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=3Dview¤t= =3DGREENTEA2.jpg http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=3Dview¤t= =3DGREENTEA3.jpg The sheet set shown in the third pic is not the one I already used I can still make something out of that..... On 10/8/07, Danielle M. Dewey wrote: > > A persian coat might work. It is a fairly thick comforter it would be > warm. It is a little shiny though. I just know I am never going to use = it > again as a bedspread and thought I could put it to use. > > > Well thank you for the ideas, and if anyone thinks of anything else by al= l > means please share > > *=B4=A8) > =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). > (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 > .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ > (=B8.=B7=B4 > . > > On 10/8/07, otsisto wrote: > > > > Maybe a Persian coat? > > Can you remove the quilting without leaving marks or permanent stitch > > holes? > > With satin, you are looking more at Renaissance fudging then Medieval, > > especially shiny satin. Your also looking at winter attire with this > > satin > > as it does not breath. Plus you should not make anything out of it that > > you > > will want to wear around a fire. > > If you are in SCA or similar group and if you have a coat of arms the > > has > > green in it you could use the satin for heraldic display stuff. > > Though it would not be material of the 1300s and 1400s, you could make = a > > sideless surcoat. Could use it for a cloak lining. Or you could make a > > Florentine giornea and/or gammurra > > http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/florentine.html > > > > De > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I've already used the sheets to make a simple > > kirtle. My problem is that I'm not exactly sure what to make out of it= . > > Not only is it satin, but its quilted in sort of a strange way, I canno= t > > find pictures and I would take one, but an aquaintance has my camera at > > the > > moment. The quilting is all symmetrical, in straight lines, but intead > > of > > being noral quiltingit has some of it sticking up on some of the seams, > > I'm > > not really sure how to perscribe it. I have a comforter, pillow cases > > and > > curtains. Preferably the clothing I would creat out of it would be in = a > > medieval style. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.....Thank > > you..... > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > *=B4=A8) > =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). > (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 > .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ > (=B8.=B7=B4 --=20 *=B4=A8) =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). 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B4954 -----Original Message----- I finally found pictures of the set if it helps at all. http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=view¤t=GREE NTEA1.jpg http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=view¤t=GREE NTEA2.jpg http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=view¤t=GREE NTEA3.jpg The sheet set shown in the third pic is not the one I already used I can still make something out of that..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 01:40:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A5eV5N014249 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:40:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9A5ePMW022635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:40:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9A5e7IS089951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A5e5xk027464; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A5e2PQ027422 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:40:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from trixiepixie.trouble@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so105356rvf for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:40:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wlTnxleDvXsmPxdrwAFDeVVGwud/FKjmzCJuwSvjbSo=; b=cfRkjCGJnMMjtAqGSopF8A+y+7Zgq987ZoVR2uJRlQ7VKy/u5ey5BYT/vdEpWy100MNEizFbfuWRUABkGffm4J5/ogPUKPS+N6+xsLhx+1vbletPZWQV6bqA6kTJN6l9x+WKy5h4nejgZOdyABPc6Dcg2qzZ+4+QPCyLGEimOu8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ksUwU5UNIxwl40tC3hDgag078nfVqm0Z/f6Q0MAw3+L7CCiEP6xOOuC1I0YptieUihtzqi8Kdowb2nj2XbTauLKkSfnsX+DKSYl7Lk/vfqXuegTdcJ/LvCo44o1iclxPs3AleMci7EumgLaIzny+dEh5vLppDGac+bq3R59tInE= Received: by 10.142.139.19 with SMTP id m19mr22876wfd.1191994802294; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.2.8 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30dd7acc0710092240i47551870w39d724c7d9028e93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:40:02 -0600 From: "Danielle M. Dewey" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30dd7acc0710092050k20a34ff2m39282ca4c4c8f34a@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f525f02-3bad-4164-b4e7-4f0066c61796 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470C65CA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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On 10/9/07, otsisto wrote: > > Civil war evening gown comes to mind with this. > Perhaps > Simplicity 4510? > http://tinyurl.com/28p6cc > S9761 > S5724 > Or S4479? > B4954 > > -----Original Message----- > I finally found pictures of the set if it helps at all. > > > http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=3Dview¤t= =3DGREE > NTEA1.jpg > > > http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=3Dview¤t= =3DGREE > NTEA2.jpg > > > http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=3Dview¤t= =3DGREE > NTEA3.jpg > > The sheet set shown in the third pic is not the one I already used I can > still make something out of that..... > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --=20 *=B4=A8) =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ (=B8.=B7=B4 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 04:07:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A87axv016244 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:07:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9A87U40010283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:07:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9A86NgW006104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A86Ki9059590; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A86Fde059505 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.51370340; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:04:46 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l9A84fT16033.; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:04:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:04:41 +0100 Message-Id: <470C959402000014000DBB95@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:04:20 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200710091801.l99I0aln092726@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710091801.l99I0aln092726@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost]wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f5b8931-c44d-43a7-9ace-aabc9b70bc82 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470C8842.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Barbara Maren wrote : > http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html=20 >My still-fiance has pretty much told me that what he would like is the >"1790's Frock Coate' 1837 - 1890" from this page, but they are saying >on their main page that they (Harper House) have just changed hands >and moved and might not have all items ready for shipping. >http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/Menspatterns.html seem to carry >the same frock, but the e-mail even bounced. How do they think it can be from both the 1790s and 1837-90? The second = website gives a more accurate date of 1790-1820. Great style, though. If I were getting married I'd love to see my = bridegroom in a coat like that. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 08:12:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ACCv6c014960 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:12:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9ACCpWo013589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:12:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9ACBjbB035216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ACBf0i077298; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ACBbcd077161 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:11:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Migrationbird@aol.com) Received: from Migrationbird@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d1e.10f7d346 (30740) for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:11:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Migrationbird@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:09:26 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 484 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 03ad6085-43ca-4f44-8c40-8de4cd0b9e78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470CC1C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/9/07 7:02:14 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:26:25 +1000 > From: "Barbara -_- M aren" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' > patterns > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <228c7530710090726p7c24d41x80dd4da967e48572@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello De , > > thanks for doing all this research -- I have now done some myself. > > (looots of other links, and this one) > > http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html > > My still-fiance has pretty much told me that what he would like is the > "1790's Frock Coate' 1837 - 1890" from this page, but they are saying > on their main page that they (Harper House) have just changed hands > and moved and might not have all items ready for shipping. > > http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/Menspatterns.html seem to carry > the same frock, but the e-mail even bounced. > > At a closer look, there doesn't seem to be that much out there! > Everybody is carrying items by everybody else -- this frock for > example is by Tailor's Guide, so I thought I'd ask them directly. > > In fact, I've only found a few online pattern shops which have their > own patterns for this period: > > Tailor's Guide http://www.tailorsguide.com/ > (http://www.tailorsguide.com/images/f-coat.html) > > Rocking Horse Farm (http://rockinghorse-farm.com/ ) -- but they are > closed until end of October > > Kannik's Korner have a few interesting things at > http://www.kannikskorner.com/patmen2.htm > > and of course Past Patterns, but at > http://www.pastpatterns.com/men.html, nothing resembles that style. > > > Does anyone on this list have any experience with these businesses? > (if not, I'll probably be the first one). I myself have already traded > with Past Patterns, and the service was prompt and very good. Even as > I'm ordering from outside the country. > > btw... oh yes... has anyone made any of their patterns and can point > to pictures? It would be great to see them made up. > > Barbara M ar en > > Hi Barbara, You could consider draughting up a pattern your self, or having > someone do it for you. If you want to consider that route try looking at the > following books. 1. Hill and Bucknell, The Evolution of Fashion, Pub. > B.T.Batsford. I don't have it to hand at the moment but I seem to recall a frock > coat for about 1836. 2. Norah Waugh, The Cut of Men's Clothes 1600-1900, Pub > Faber and Faber. Another one I don't have to hand but I'm sure there would be > something of interest. 3. R. I. Davis, Men's Garments 1830-1900, Pub Players > Press Inc. This has drawing instructions for an 1830 Dress coat, Frock coat, > Trousers and Waistcoat. Take your time and these are a straight forward > draw. 4. Edited R.L. Shep, Late Georgia Costume, Contains The Tailor's friendly > Instructor (1822), The Art of Tying the Cravat (1828), Pub. R.L. Shep. > Instructions for Coat, Frock coat, Waistcoat, Breeches, Pantaloons, and Trowsers. > You have to cope with the 1822 language in the instructions and it was intended > for tailors who were familiar with draughting layouts. This instructor was > republished in 1830 so I don't thing you would be looking at big changes in > the patterns. I assume this book was properly a prime resource for the Tailors > Guide pattern. You defiantly should get your intended to read The Art Of > Tying the Creavat to be sure he is a man who's cravat 'is a criterion by which > the rank of the wearer may be at once distinguished, and is of itself "a letter > of introduction'' ' . 5. Last but not least if you can find a copy of > Florence Theriault's, Fits and Starts, Pub. Gold Horse Publications, there is a > darling boys doll costume on page 8 showing an outfit of this 1830's period. A > white shirt with double pleated ruffles down the front, a creavat, A la Byron, > royal blue super fine tailed coat with navy blue velvet collar and cuffs, a > waist coat of multicoloured paisley design and fawn trousers strapped under > the foot. Ignore the centre front crease on the trousers. Who ever prepared > the costume for photography didn't realise that this crease would not come in > for another 50 years or so. Since you are in Oz you might try Ebay.au for a > copy of the 1830's pattern put out by the Power house Museum Sydney for the > bicentennial in 1988. There were four patterns. The one for men had a shirt and > front fall trousers you might find useful, a bit more 1840's than 1830. The > ladies dress 1836 is good, the sleeves are the main feature. Hope this is of > use. Regards Joy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 11:27:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AFRaRE021035 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:27:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9AFRVQL023185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:27:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9AFQ75I069370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AFPtEl018551; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AFPoUV018277 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E59106239 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:25:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <470CEEF8.8090709@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:25:44 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas References: <30dd7acc0710092050k20a34ff2m39282ca4c4c8f34a@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710092240i47551870w39d724c7d9028e93@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30dd7acc0710092240i47551870w39d724c7d9028e93@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8460f96-6f56-419b-9424-60a0a37761f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470CEF63.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Danielle M. Dewey wrote: > That sounds beautiful, I'm not sure if I have that kind of skill though. > You'd only be sewing straight lines. :) The dresses are a lot less complicated than they look. Dawn > On 10/9/07, otsisto wrote: >> Civil war evening gown comes to mind with this. >> Perhaps >> Simplicity 4510? >> http://tinyurl.com/28p6cc >> S9761 >> S5724 >> Or S4479? >> B4954 >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 15:49:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AJnHTe030561 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:49:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9AJnBxf028604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:49:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9AJm2Kk017294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AJlepW088891; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9A5spgp040757 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so123768waf for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=t2rRnd+SItciYmUNdBsUMU/j8FwvGJSSWEr2nmqbM0I=; b=lCkKhcznj2DmZ3/DTvJ1TjQWDheLhoPI70EuAcyYt26FknZ3BVoxa9NwIfdzV1+dQZynwZnx8qYDIoeV4pRMAM0iUtBh0VISTwezhb686VW1ySMprj+e98XnG/mPPSir9Fik/EWHZRD2vBthwr0sc221sHLRjtcPjYemuuLrUNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Zbn3+2n0CBGVc3dJ1CMSyuluZa01D3RngAgomwhzXCOAZDAjCQvvA8PYEFoYBOmZ3tFexhrFbdZXOWuhN2bBgi+lsMoYUetWlTbxMCSdw/wouDbO50dsiDvaxhuIQyw+Races7a3ZB/uVGfYFgo/iFFrQcwF3ta2ImzdSnEW48g= Received: by 10.115.75.1 with SMTP id c1mr370340wal.1191995690627; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.17 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <228c7530710092254u5303de5ewb4b0885ddf5ab6fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:54:50 +1000 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rundschau pattern books & mags was: Cranach gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: 194c6abd-c69c-465e-bef2-4963b25682ee X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470D2CB7.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ... you also have a native German speaker on the list! And you have me all excited -- while I was living in Germany, I haven't even noticed the Rundschau myself, and now I'm about to go and subscribe to one of their magazines -- have already subscribed to burda fashion patterns magazine ( http://www.burdamode.com/Magazines,1270777-1000019,enEN.html, but actually the German one), but these ones http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/rundschau.pdf hit even better the point of what I need. Well, potentially. I do translations of the Spin-Off magazine by Interweave Press ( http://www.interweave.com/spin/spinoff_magazine/default.asp) -- the other way, from English into German -- on a voluntary basis. I'm also happy to help! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 16:03:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AK3lwu031752 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:03:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9AK3ZdV030770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:03:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9AK2cBL020837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AK29jH010561; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ADY6CK079190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1IfbhK-0001GK-Eq for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:34:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:34:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost]wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' patterns In-Reply-To: <470C959402000014000DBB95@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Message-ID: References: <200710091801.l99I0aln092726@net.indra.com> <470C959402000014000DBB95@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ac3ff1b-bba9-482d-900a-bb7f648eb5f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470D3017.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Barbara Maren wrote : >> http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html > >> My still-fiance has pretty much told me that what he would like is the >> "1790's Frock Coate' 1837 - 1890" from this page, but they are saying >> on their main page that they (Harper House) have just changed hands >> and moved and might not have all items ready for shipping. > >> http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/Menspatterns.html seem to carry >> the same frock, but the e-mail even bounced. > > How do they think it can be from both the 1790s and 1837-90? The second website gives a more accurate date of 1790-1820. > Great style, though. If I were getting married I'd love to see my bridegroom in a coat like that. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian & 17th century reenactor. > It looks good on women, too. My wicked stepdaughter made one for me in this luscious claret and gold upholstery velvet (or it could be chenille) with gold silk facings. It looks amazing over black pants and a ruffled shirt. Because of the cutaway and how it goes over the chest it also makes me look rather thinner than I actually am, and that's not a bad thing either. Now that it's fall I should start wearing it to work again. ;-) Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 16:11:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AKBpaH032083 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:11:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9AKBjJU020439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:11:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9AKB7SW022793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AKAigc023448; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AFADMT097085 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.110.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.110]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IfdCN-0005Cj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:10:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <30dd7acc0710092050k20a34ff2m39282ca4c4c8f34a@mail.gmail.com> References: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710081959u29f91c6dj62a3fad6f7c5d3e0@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710092050k20a34ff2m39282ca4c4c8f34a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A705639-00B5-4BC0-ADF8-89C30C58E5BB@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:12:23 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 8f4bd963-b00b-40ce-b9a0-3c27e1d0abdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470D3202.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That IS beautiful--I can see why you want to use it. But as a =20 theatrical costumer (community, low-budget!), I'd go Victorian with =20 it (and think I'd gone to heaven).... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 9, 2007, at 11:50 PM, Danielle M. Dewey wrote: > I finally found pictures of the set if it helps at all. > > http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?=20 > action=3Dview¤t=3DGREENTEA1.jpg > > http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?=20 > action=3Dview¤t=3DGREENTEA2.jpg > > http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?=20 > action=3Dview¤t=3DGREENTEA3.jpg > > The sheet set shown in the third pic is not the one I already used =20 > I can > still make something out of that..... > > On 10/8/07, Danielle M. Dewey wrote: >> >> A persian coat might work. It is a fairly thick comforter it =20 >> would be >> warm. It is a little shiny though. I just know I am never going =20 >> to use it >> again as a bedspread and thought I could put it to use. >> >> >> Well thank you for the ideas, and if anyone thinks of anything =20 >> else by all >> means please share >> >> *=B4=A8) >> =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). >> (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 >> .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ >> (=B8.=B7=B4 >> . >> >> On 10/8/07, otsisto wrote: >>> >>> Maybe a Persian coat? >>> Can you remove the quilting without leaving marks or permanent =20 >>> stitch >>> holes? >>> With satin, you are looking more at Renaissance fudging then =20 >>> Medieval, >>> especially shiny satin. Your also looking at winter attire with this >>> satin >>> as it does not breath. Plus you should not make anything out of =20 >>> it that >>> you >>> will want to wear around a fire. >>> If you are in SCA or similar group and if you have a coat of arms =20= >>> the >>> has >>> green in it you could use the satin for heraldic display stuff. >>> Though it would not be material of the 1300s and 1400s, you could =20= >>> make a >>> sideless surcoat. Could use it for a cloak lining. Or you could =20 >>> make a >>> Florentine giornea and/or gammurra >>> http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/florentine.html >>> >>> De >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> I've already used the sheets to make a simple >>> kirtle. My problem is that I'm not exactly sure what to make out =20= >>> of it. >>> Not only is it satin, but its quilted in sort of a strange way, I =20= >>> cannot >>> find pictures and I would take one, but an aquaintance has my =20 >>> camera at >>> the >>> moment. The quilting is all symmetrical, in straight lines, but =20 >>> intead >>> of >>> being noral quiltingit has some of it sticking up on some of the =20 >>> seams, >>> I'm >>> not really sure how to perscribe it. I have a comforter, pillow =20 >>> cases >>> and >>> curtains. Preferably the clothing I would creat out of it would =20 >>> be in a >>> medieval style. Any suggestions would be greatly =20 >>> appreciated.....Thank >>> you..... >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *=B4=A8) >> =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). >> (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 >> .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ >> (=B8.=B7=B4 > > > > > --=20 > *=B4=A8) > =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). > (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 > .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ > (=B8.=B7=B4 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 16:21:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AKLnHs032439 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:21:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9AKLcAU021577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:21:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9AKLGgh024486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AKKrZF037305; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AKKjVD037121 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so369580waf for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:20:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=WkeuBoYw3Y4wRRjcX6mCMAH73/1KjRodbuR554oEW2w=; b=PrEkNwxoZG8FdQR6mqATnZ9QFF4/su25K7dWzSOTGVSH0m8OBhBS+cFBSRIF7xnhE9kNNX12ospCNEMHVmixn3bnHOgQosIyJH4lL5BgtOYKpIFEjKN1QByztISmBAz0ievkkiiwM9R5G2qEotXmcjyAWF28BYZSOlwR/qKaueQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Sop24aaR4TYWYbdK7hL5+x1JlZhISfQo3DJLwog3zuFQRR46nhFxwecey6p8yWu+OHhaNwQc5SIxV4tNpBjctXoCJuhNtf+nizJIQhrKjdEd3rYm90vE/B1a/vBLetKCa3Vu3s4pZ3wSzF1GaWAuV8wvA/i2DgrAQoUzLQ6Tm0I= Received: by 10.114.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr1240649waj.1192047644918; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.158.5 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:20:44 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ideas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43904ea6-2c5b-441f-af98-cef792cda88b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470D3452.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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That's gorgeous--and I am coveting it big-time. :) Meli _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 16:23:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AKNhNd032496 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:23:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9AKNbcP022436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9AKNJbg024951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AKNFwO040728; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AKN86b040470 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A5B1062F8 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:23:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <470D34AB.2070304@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:23:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas References: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710081959u29f91c6dj62a3fad6f7c5d3e0@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710092050k20a34ff2m39282ca4c4c8f34a@mail.gmail.com> <3A705639-00B5-4BC0-ADF8-89C30C58E5BB@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3A705639-00B5-4BC0-ADF8-89C30C58E5BB@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 786b5aaf-86e7-46ad-adee-674e44cf7987 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470D34C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 17:01:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AL1pkY001311 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:01:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9AL1NlO012616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:01:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9AL0Ejo033060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:00:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AL05H4092368; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9AKxv4q092057 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57237 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2007 20:59:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lMxyMWqsf/WIGJCOSHluKeH4f4pF2xvRt9CeBiBES2Aw8Y7YG0EpfHUfJaOB4wv6klRFSKh+jmROTrzig0cI+FAjJ4d9nNNAb4w26YLjJbS5Rt9fPXcV8EXOuzPANEguYwZjW4ZeBOb0HDyWtWwhUF6UhbdGqBt9WOY6QuGJDeU=; X-YMail-OSG: kKRWstYVM1lxOXKu5mVkXN_qxfjtbQgSDKMh1KwbyXCkxNMLJmjPgCbIcU8i8MRtlRCHCoii4JFJMtvOeD7QdF4OYhaVWa6RPaOpaz_FdAEs_Sq2CkE4m82zBYYtJ9gkqTIu4TMlg4ksmzD3bhXDbb0- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:59:51 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rundschau pattern books & mags was: Cranach gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <228c7530710092254u5303de5ewb4b0885ddf5ab6fc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <153562.57150.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a794f00e-b46b-4731-aead-833c14a022ff X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470D3DA4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's interesting, but no one knows about it and personally, I consider it very good, actually I haven't found anything better on the subject (if anyone knows about something, please tell me!). Notice that when you've subscribed you can very cheaply buy the older magazines, each year in a book (Jahresband). One for 20 euros or something. You'll soon realize that you'll need the basic patterns = slopers, and you can buy the Jahresband that involves it (for dress, I guess it's 2003, for example). But you can call them and ask them, they'll tell you exactly. The more magazines or "Jahresbände" you have, the better for you. Once upon a time they publish things like adjusting a pattern for a complicated figure and all the details you need to know about drafting, and the more information you have, the better you get. Barbara -_- M aren wrote: ... you also have a native German speaker on the list! And you have me all excited -- while I was living in Germany, I haven't even noticed the Rundschau myself, and now I'm about to go and subscribe to one of their magazines -- have already subscribed to burda fashion patterns magazine ( http://www.burdamode.com/Magazines,1270777-1000019,enEN.html, but actually the German one), but these ones http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/rundschau.pdf hit even better the point of what I need. Well, potentially. I do translations of the Spin-Off magazine by Interweave Press ( http://www.interweave.com/spin/spinoff_magazine/default.asp) -- the other way, from English into German -- on a voluntary basis. I'm also happy to help! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 19:05:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AN5cdN006351 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9AN5WTJ019279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9AN4KdM049209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AN4Fsf042702; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9AN4Cji042560 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:04:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so38044ana for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:04:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=i1xYYld83BDPdpLMWnVJuedRUACSRNoa/QAIZZVtL+0=; b=K/yPpBPJG/T9ACbhiLjbZAn0xm51HSmamOghB7W/VCOv77Uo8DYi1cVs2mPg9ESYtseu1k6eq2X4xKaTXOGP+Xj2ItaTy8cE7l4/Ml1RYnRfcoYba8UmJEYsIGuVS/PSnW/saer3npZOvVwD3AHH1tx7rA/gRwKpE22YwtZ0rbg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LG41qDeG4IMeZFzgtMiSwBmKidbVd/BzveNKJRaaYjdwIOHieJ3HC4IMzkv4tBaa59fFRoU8+qaMP2D+c7bV3atMhCweYFgbI+X/rgbc9UXkwoBf4KpeEH71FdRLO36MQ8Zhh+PAamV9y8qGAUw5H47rdEGImPvzO2uODeJBsFs= Received: by 10.142.229.4 with SMTP id b4mr426227wfh.1192057446955; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:04:06 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rundschau pattern books & mags MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 359f31da-18f4-4c11-b129-463e2db74bd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470D5ABC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Barbara, I'm interested in the modern tailoring "schnitte" books. Do you have a list of translations that you've already done for these? I'm not a begining tailor by any stretch, so, only the more detailed articles are going to be relevant as are the articles on historical techniques, fit, construction, materials. I"m interested in most methods for heavily constructed garments, 16th thru 19th c. Happy to answer tailoring questions if you like. Would love to show you, too. (Oh for a boondoggle to Oz!) IMHO, most any pattern will do, you're going to spend most of your jacket time on pin-fitting, mockups, understructure & shaping. I've used Norah Waugh's book instead of patterns. Arnold, too, of course. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rundschau pattern books & mags was: Cranach gown To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <228c7530710092254u5303de5ewb4b0885ddf5ab6fc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ... you also have a native German speaker on the list! And you have me all excited -- while I was living in Germany, I haven't even noticed the Rundschau myself, and now I'm about to go and subscribe to one of their magazines -- have already subscribed to burda fashion patterns magazine ( http://www.burdamode.com/Magazines,1270777-1000019,enEN.html, but actually the German one), but these ones http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/rundschau.pdf hit even better the point of what I need. Well, potentially. I do translations of the Spin-Off magazine by Interweave Press ( http://www.interweave.com/spin/spinoff_magazine/default.asp) -- the other way, from English into German -- on a voluntary basis. I'm also happy to help! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 19:40:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ANeoiX007954 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:40:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9ANeiqY023278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9ANeE9Y051827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ANeDEt074987; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ANe8dU074812 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c4d.1ec32b9e (39955) for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:39:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:39:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost]wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dbf805b7-2c21-4be3-afd0-c71c4f3cda09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 470D62FC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/10/2007 4:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com writes: It looks good on women, too. My wicked stepdaughter made one for me in this luscious claret and gold upholstery velvet (or it could be chenille) with gold silk facings. It looks amazing over black pants and a ruffled shirt. **************** Right after I worked on "Interview with the Vampire" in NOLA, I made a bunch of 18th century shirts and some waistcoats and cut-aways, as well as half-fall breeches and jodhpurs for women for one of the girls on the crew who had a clothing shop. We thought the men's stuff look great on women and it might catch on after the film. Alas, not so. No one wanted any of it. I gave some of it to my cousin Mary who raises and rides horses. She loved it and would wear the stuff riding and at shows. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 19:49:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ANnQnQ008438 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:49:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9ANnL0j014257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:49:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9ANn578052545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:49:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ANn3PD083434; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ANn0Lp083387 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so38426ana for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:49:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=YQAUD2RxiDdZvsYAGPZbh+XBkMxxrp+58tUTjS+qPTI=; b=bqTAiH0Gru5hQb/1Lsrt98w5Pix+c3tDobizgX0lbn87tNLq7WqL3tliRyM2cAuU20k0ATW75aYtGi5DGChDc8IQLlsM3TNatzVbZ9N8dOloZGMPAtspC1lCtMQvf/kQjM5aLKqUpRsbkhdMd4DxRCF194+CVp1Bu+ffzueXpu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=J0mlMrKzwjF2c3lXwA9KkdBxhNGWr2Xmu7wV/W13fDAvMBsjz2CJadGEBf1Q0ZTg+/9pP/umAuLCJA0MzzpbdlVsO/81sXpSUmccCZRxf1f77SoExMBpWMaWc6G1Tdsb9PH47gtdjcz35kHK17ur7xManIEU07sIp2Nbers9rus= Received: by 10.142.157.15 with SMTP id f15mr427209wfe.1192060139520; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.4.2 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:48:59 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas for an old quilt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b66d028-f32e-4643-a124-32faec862baa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470D6501.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas On Oct 9, 2007, at 11:50 PM, Danielle M. Dewey wrote: > I finally found pictures of the set if it helps at all. > http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/? > action=view¤t=GREENTEA1.jpg Perhaps a quilted petticoat, 1750-75 to wear "at home" with your caraco. Or if you like, Provencal fashions thru the early-19th c, pretty much the same style. Yeah, I know you said medieval, but I cant think of much that's quilted & medieval except a civilian pourpoint or arming jack. You've discarded ideas with complex construction, so I'm left with no further suggestions. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 20:36:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0avJR009870 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:36:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9B0apZc015043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:36:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9B0ZqcR056325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0ZnLk024785; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:35:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0ZlXS024752 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from trixiepixie.trouble@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so332360nze for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=M4TOxRGCig9wg+Ss5885xPpytwGa6ba46s60l5CfynI=; b=rqk4Fs5PYWoQP6UlINFkPwXkJLB3Nk0dalWCYm2huBvWtpkhNcfZehQjU+WQ7cHJFwSPMaiCk3ksAlXKoXxrzADCcwlNjZQ5naalhhrInEBRveR6KkKRpjbjfU2gLjx1v/xI9pz3RYhtwhXL0PA09yjj+IrAkm+TXenTYa+UFSs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gdXdNfVLo7uD8kZiVvgD0nmMEmgUYvA4FpFcbVd1zxusPcNEY0tYfy58KYN70EMlcPzTeiJihSAL0fPk5eqBfFyILWVGZdVWb/fIBLR0HnW1oJJhl3ymes1HS7UtgKdoSrGQd7CrV02eTckZYfQJz0jrSWM3phTIbY4Xf8rhhrM= Received: by 10.142.215.5 with SMTP id n5mr432992wfg.1192062945637; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.2.8 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <30dd7acc0710101735j1daafe42yfc137f3d26d4d830@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:35:45 -0600 From: "Danielle M. 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On 10/10/07, Dawn wrote: > > > >> > >> > http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?action=3Dview¤t= =3DGREENTEA3.jpg > >> > >> > >> The sheet set shown in the third pic is not the one I already used I > can > >> still make something out of that..... > >> > > I think the sheets would make a lovely kimono, if you really want to cut > them up. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --=20 *=B4=A8) =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ (=B8.=B7=B4 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 20:42:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0gJFL009937 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:42:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9B0gEd0021484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:42:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9B0fpDw056698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0fow0029802; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net (alnrmhc12.comcast.net [206.18.177.52]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0fkpL029689 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:41:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with SMTP id <20071011004137b1200n11i0e>; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:41:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <30dd7acc0710101735j1daafe42yfc137f3d26d4d830@mail.gmail.com> References: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710081959u29f91c6dj62a3fad6f7c5d3e0@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710092050k20a34ff2m39282ca4c4c8f34a@mail.gmail.com> <3A705639-00B5-4BC0-ADF8-89C30C58E5BB@mindspring.com> <470D34AB.2070304@reddawn.net> <30dd7acc0710101735j1daafe42yfc137f3d26d4d830@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:41:36 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5870b50-780e-477a-b7ee-1a5ceaf59cae X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470D7166.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Danielle M. Dewey wrote: > I bought the set from Bed, Bath & Beyond a few years ago when I was =20= > with my > highschool sweetheart still, My husband and I have a queen size bed =20= > and even > if we had a king I would not want to use the same bedding as with my =20= > ex, Really? That thought has never even crossed my mind. Not that I sleep =20= around, mind you. Not any more, anyhow. That was decades ago. Now =20 I'm lucky if I can get my cats into bed with me. Sylrog > this is why I want to cut them up. Everyone is giving me wonderful =20= > ideas > thank you. > > On 10/10/07, Dawn wrote: >> >> >>>> >>>> >> http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/SorayaNazli/?=20 >> action=3Dview¤t=3DGREENTEA3.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> The sheet set shown in the third pic is not the one I already used = I >> can >>>> still make something out of that..... >>>> >> >> I think the sheets would make a lovely kimono, if you really want to =20= >> cut >> them up. >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > --=20 > *=B4=A8) > =B8.=B7=B4=B8.=B7=B4=A8) =B8.=B7*=A8). > (=B8.=B7=B4 (=B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4 > .=B7=B4 =B8.=B7*`=B7~=BB*~Danielle~*=BB~ > (=B8.=B7=B4 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 20:48:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0meeU010012 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:48:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9B0mYTn030089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9B0lsvn057912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:47:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0lrMT035455; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:47:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0loMI035406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.207] (dial-209-148-114-207.sonic.net [209.148.114.207]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l9B0lmL5005283 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:47:49 -0700 Message-ID: <470D72B7.3010105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:47:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ideas References: <30dd7acc0710071452l5459212fs8ed1ee8801fda6b3@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710081959u29f91c6dj62a3fad6f7c5d3e0@mail.gmail.com> <30dd7acc0710092050k20a34ff2m39282ca4c4c8f34a@mail.gmail.com> <3A705639-00B5-4BC0-ADF8-89C30C58E5BB@mindspring.com> <470D34AB.2070304@reddawn.net> <30dd7acc0710101735j1daafe42yfc137f3d26d4d830@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30dd7acc0710101735j1daafe42yfc137f3d26d4d830@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1e7f419-7607-429f-8598-8dd3aa3693af X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470D72E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Everyone is giving me wonderful ideas > thank you. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 20:51:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0poRc010068 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:51:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9B0pj9F016041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:51:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9B0nQWw058223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0nPwO036929; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B0nMrH036826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:49:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33449) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IfmEn-0007ij-Qd; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:49:17 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:49:17 -0400 Message-ID: <20071010204917.m75cb09hc0sooo8c@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:49:17 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: cleaning an old quilt (was Re: [h-cost] Ideas for an old quilt References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94c5cf14-9807-4515-9810-b5dba2b9359f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470D73A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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What do I need to do with this quilt to ensure that it continues to have a long and useful life? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 21:44:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B1iEFR011406 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:44:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9B1i8t4001400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:44:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9B1h2aT064705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B1gxRf087892; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:42:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B1guKO087793 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4B810638E for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:42:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <470D7FA1.8070109@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:42:57 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: cleaning an old quilt (was Re: [h-cost] Ideas for an old quilt References: <20071010204917.m75cb09hc0sooo8c@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20071010204917.m75cb09hc0sooo8c@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37493db6-c667-461c-9102-9f28a362ee47 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470D7FE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Susan Farmer wrote: > What do I need to do with this quilt to ensure that it continues to have > a long and useful life? > Some web pages on this topic, that I wrote several years ago. http://www.reddawn.net/quilt/antique.htm http://www.reddawn.net/quilt/storage.htm http://www.reddawn.net/quilt/documnt.htm Not automatically throwing it in the washer is a good first step. :) The red may or may not run, you can swab test it to see. It may be strong enough to hand wash, if it needs that much attention. There are various ways to take care of it -- and any vintage textiles -- depending on whether you want to store it or display it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 10 22:04:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B24YHL012333 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:04:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9B24SLi027138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:04:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9B23wPu066652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B23u6U006690; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9B23rXU006580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38037) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IfnOv-0005Wv-DA; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:03:49 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:03:49 -0400 Message-ID: <20071010220349.08xm8i9hesww88kg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:03:49 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: cleaning an old quilt (was Re: [h-cost] Ideas for an old quilt References: <20071010204917.m75cb09hc0sooo8c@www.goldsword.com> <470D7FA1.8070109@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <470D7FA1.8070109@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e95e7830-9502-46cb-a4cd-e2448c1f6c7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470D84AC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Dawn : > Susan Farmer wrote: > >> What do I need to do with this quilt to ensure that it continues to =20 >> have a long and useful life? >> > > Some web pages on this topic, that I wrote several years ago. > > http://www.reddawn.net/quilt/antique.htm > http://www.reddawn.net/quilt/storage.htm > http://www.reddawn.net/quilt/documnt.htm Thanks! I'll go read them right now. > > Not automatically throwing it in the washer is a good first step. :) > The red may or may not run, you can swab test it to see. It may be > strong enough to hand wash, if it needs that much attention. There are > various ways to take care of it -- and any vintage textiles -- > depending on whether you want to store it or display it. > I figured that would be A Bad Thing! I at least knew that much. :-S =20 It's in good shape -- physically, I think it would survive =20 hand-washing. I don't want to do it if the dyes will run. I'd like =20 to display it -- but I don't know if I'd *use* it or not. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 11 09:42:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BDgw8x031371 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:42:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9BDgq9C002650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9BDg8MG002131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BDg0Y9019121; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailforward1.unl.edu (mailforward1.unl.edu [129.93.1.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BDfuIE019058 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by mailforward1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9BDfuJt009237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:41:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9BDfuhm004151 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:41:56 -0500 Received: from pcp041072pcs.unl.edu (pcp041072pcs.unl.edu [129.93.124.11]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:41:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20071011084156.8iilntf8ggko08cw@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:41:56 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: cleaning an old quilt (was Re: [h-cost] Ideas for an old quilt References: <20071010204917.m75cb09hc0sooo8c@www.goldsword.com> <470D7FA1.8070109@reddawn.net> <20071010220349.08xm8i9hesww88kg@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20071010220349.08xm8i9hesww88kg@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4529/Thu Oct 11 01:54:06 2007 on mailforward1.unl.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3dbc4a54-2c13-449b-9891-12c719a35b91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470E285C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > I figured that would be A Bad Thing! I at least knew that much. :-S > It's in good shape -- physically, I think it would survive > hand-washing. I don't want to do it if the dyes will run. I'd like to > display it -- but I don't know if I'd *use* it or not. Also check out the International Quilt Study Center's website: =20 http://www.quiltstudy.org/ They're currently housed in the same building as most of my textile =20 history classes, and we've worked with some of the quilts occasionally. They don't wash quilts. Ever. To clean them, they vacuum very =20 carefully, with a special low-suction vacuum and through a fiberglass =20 screen (with the edges bound so it won't catch the fabric.) A regular =20 household vacuum can be used, but you need to keep the end of the =20 nozzle an inch or more away from the fabric so it doesn't get sucked =20 up against the tube. Making sausages out of medical stockinette and quilt batting is a good =20 idea, but I would recommend poly batting instead: polyester is =20 archivally safer than cotton is. Cotton, as a cellulosic fiber, will =20 decompose, giving off acids the same way paper does, just not as =20 quickly. When preparing an exhibit, we used 100% polyester to build =20 the forms whenever possible, and well-washed unbleached muslin when it =20 wasn't possible. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 11 10:21:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BELwHD000892 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:21:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9BELqlO011792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:21:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9BEKuN0008827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BEKtBi074931; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BEKq12074867 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so593705wxc for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:20:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=lJ5yp9n1JRKdTxUgQPvfJa41Bchp0T71txahEBzBwLY=; b=hTJhOhjd9a+HnFcLnFvEHnn92AQNVShNRKarPOqzgr6sqrwGwJNfYWqBNp8fsc/qkaDNBG98EQdKCx8Y+1MSzvLEus7FDxpR4tKkAbS/UsG3Vua1luQqcvba1HAGohn82WctoZtK2Po12qkEMxUZunE3rJ/GobRUzwxpC47kV4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WYRAN4M+MtT6UYE1oYqf1Rvn+aV+QumDYLU1qYCNd0w+a1r4V8tTZ67m05VRG5dXYtozDHOYjvi+GMuDvWVp4HtQkXpmJTqWzPmFWimsu2uS/tdH//wUcRw3w7voeyIziJTm+KgsGBL3BRHgTwhqi7Ui6wc8rXqEI6ssXXGF/A8= Received: by 10.90.116.6 with SMTP id o6mr3014403agc.1192112071186; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.6 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070710110714x55d43130qe4f859840277e2ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:14:31 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] frankfurt germany-sites to see X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdff35cc-fd97-464c-90bd-737d6e6854c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470E3180.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 11 10:22:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BEMhAn000912 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:22:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9BEMbQv008745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:22:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9BEMLOJ009004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BEMLjT076923; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9BEMHwA076717 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 19033 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2007 14:22:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=duo00WwLOcQc60LmPb3qzZ58ErDv16LP2sK2gRgsgfMyVHIRc7tkHRAR3zd3VhTyhQYae/fkBs4817RW7pVPLwhqwULjwWFRkF5hOGFu87efP3HXOnG+pNMj/Q8NrRW/0L3p+OB6Z+zvbQ6O2g4uyYwKxD6rzRbxQ+9+0LtvUvM=; X-YMail-OSG: yDPgp_8VM1kteB..Em3e4QKOzZ1AlqmzL.MtJDyArnjJCb3YCc0XiNhssdtWBrVa9NhDDQkl6AUINMkl7TIlmPFBjn0ygvf_ESAL57.49VnzjY70FNLMKt0OUrCWrw-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:22:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134.6 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <295704.17077.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ideas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: babcac71-4597-4d22-9d5c-f0a2c37b6eb7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470E31AD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello Joy, thanks for your long list: 1. Hill and Bucknell, The Evolution of Fashion, Pub. B.T.Batsford. I actually own that one and have it here! Yes, there is a 1830s man's outfit there. I should try to draft that myself but don't really have the time (I think). The pattern sketches in there are quite rough and the remarks relatively sparse. "trousers: cut with a front fall" huh? how? That's precisely what I don't know how to do and need a pattern for. I have a (general) problem with patterns for pants/trousers. But it's a great resource to give me ideas. Then also, the frock from Tailors Guide is double-breasted and the one in Hill& Bucknell single-breasted. 2. Norah Waugh, The Cut of Men's Clothes 1600-1900, Pub Faber and Faber. I apparently have the wrong book by Waugh here! and also by Arnold :-( just missing that one period for men. 4. Edited R.L. Shep, Late Georgia Costume, Contains The Tailor's friendly Instructor (1822), The Art of Tying the Cravat (1828), Pub. R.L. Shep. Thanks a ton for all the advice.. :: Bar bara Ma rien _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 11 11:18:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BFINJ4002867 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:18:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9BFIHJ1020254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:18:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9BFI0Gx018878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BFHumA053214; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:17:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BFHOY3052617 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so667187waf for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:17:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=taRZ0iJq4Oa6s73SFVWpKXOH2VriG7QmqPBbWrZKanE=; b=O26BQaL2S8dHpNDMaoI6WDA8xCYW6YfxgSdxDUdprpFNcyLuu5lGG1a8efMIPvCjxnNzy8/4B4PK0QQH/sZiArtAbBouKaftIgtg9BVLJq2EwvXQ8JyTGkmXAtnG2Bzi4AIWRVG08tyGKG9wjlOmlZUk4woTC38BeNxYKgYFREs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qTNQOx5/nswvgl2Fwrp15rpMzKxmXC4bLpsv1EY29peYXZEVdt4ytzi/lXDc+Rnen0TEVel4PkTBDVbTUaHUaVTydoKBUK3cpwaYqeNBfRDeuhpf6DSQ1pzx5RQr9JBmdyYqUrymmv5WCljq5Umt1guxGSnmQb4BMgK0gPlEDts= Received: by 10.115.93.16 with SMTP id v16mr2274846wal.1192115844630; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.17 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <228c7530710110817g1bba8bcege986d68f0d06f6f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:17:23 +1000 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rundschau pattern books & mags In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5dc6b1bf-f351-450f-978b-92e0c3b264c8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470E3EB9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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B arbara M aren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 11 12:23:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BGNR5L005765 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:23:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9BGNLlj009986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:23:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9BGMBk6030518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BGKZaK039980; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:20:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9BGJO2n037942 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 21358 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2007 16:19:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=n2yWyNCrG2AF5s1F94anOWAnwkf/yE+1IjZphdtanTb3nGFrTVMRuWU3QEs6VOn/OjGiPAnCvEplpySDjihEzljGSyJrlxdbjTPA6tiPdKbkmmGsk8j5zWdNlK/eky2jx3tvYmAeTHsf1wlE/pHsbweS+hiNSdDDZGrbAu5yap8=; X-YMail-OSG: TlaO29EVM1nhCYiJ66ZTxJnenw2Qdb1mk_gMIoByTaC.UhGKNIhuaNt_8ULvgvd7i2NMcK3YrQ-- Received: from [87.244.71.246] by web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:19:16 BST Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:19:16 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] frankfurt germany-sites to see To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070710110714x55d43130qe4f859840277e2ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <208625.21266.qm@web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 541aec7b-c5bb-4d2f-a953-e0bd981d7adf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470E4DF9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Someone will be bound to ask, so it might as well be me - which Frankfurt - Frankfurt am Main? Or Frankfurt am Oder? I've worked for a year close to one, but know nothing about the other. JW Katy Bishop wrote: I have a friend who is being sent to Germany for a week for work, and she has little free time scheduled for the trip but she has a free morning in Frankfurt. Are there any costume museums, or must see fabric or trim shops there? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 11 12:33:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BGX1sY006243 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:33:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9BGWtu8005293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9BGWUrv032401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BGUoZ0054955; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9BGULpP053861 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so635204wxc for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:30:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rX82oHd01FzaO4sn2Awxe9etgWPeKZ5ruGz+PEPqfqo=; b=bQlrTy1/kFuVS2Ti3CQ+Edsu7aPmRPIdNNWQcYSo6mcMM6Az3DtooRTRrnGScjLrmsY5FE7Cja/ANSYOm2swuLhRED77fzc1hol8J+fZbGP1bEiuKWE1H7MYXPk0ZReKs9pB+F5NWtYCwuTH8/p+JwxBDeeIQv5Pqfh4nPNdZhE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QIoRWjbx4KgzoH9MlQ1JNfYCWJFzh7Ca6CDSkBoE3/TPYfWiwoOqoinM5rIQj0IrUsONRnB0jAM04aYXUX2G68E2/COZxkhXPqv2zovutzd9TXwkvzxKhMjMz1GR+mabqt/EutoKCl3nE7mUnP4fXDffnTdaF2PVDbusSv+cfk0= Received: by 10.90.101.19 with SMTP id y19mr3276033agb.1192120210765; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.6 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070710110930n1ba683c5vfe7fba67eaa2a7c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:30:10 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] frankfurt germany-sites to see In-Reply-To: <208625.21266.qm@web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3586f5070710110714x55d43130qe4f859840277e2ae@mail.gmail.com> <208625.21266.qm@web23101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82558268-60fc-41b7-bc51-5ce5feaf3e17 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 470E5037.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 09:03:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CD35aV032749 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:03:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CD2wQb010742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:03:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CD2dXV046586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:02:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CD2d6k001764; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CCKHA0058803 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.239.51] Received: from [75.45.239.51] (adsl-75-45-239-51.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.239.51]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l9CCJclN015057 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:19:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <228c7530710110811p2c8a8a3bld20cc412570a3419@mail.gmail.com> References: <228c7530710110811p2c8a8a3bld20cc412570a3419@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E6B1D06-B73F-41A7-9F49-107F7448268B@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s mens' patterns Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:20:19 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: b5a55855-41c2-4e2f-88f3-f6bf92ae15d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470F7082.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Barbara -_- M aren wrote: > > 1. Hill and Bucknell, The Evolution of Fashion, Pub. B.T.Batsford. I would recommend that you do not use this book for patterns. Not only are the patterns sketchy, they're sometimes completely wrong. You'll need FAR more and better information than you can get from this book to make men's clothing from the 19th century. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 09:03:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CD3fkP032767 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:03:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CD3ZmB014552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CD3HqT046704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CD3FG9002487; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:03:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CD3BFd002359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local ([132.198.126.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l9CD39tN029681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:03:10 -0400 Message-ID: <470F7093.3010203@uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:03:15 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04ed531c-7563-4342-a485-dbaae500ddcd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470F70A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just saw Manohla Dargis's review of 'Elizabeth: The Golden Age' in the New York Times. Here's a sample: "A kitsch extravaganza aquiver with trembling bosoms, booming guns and wild energy, “Elizabeth: The Golden Age” tells, if more often shouts, the story of the bastard monarch who ruled England with an iron grip and two tightly closed legs. It’s the story of a woman, who, as played by the irresistibly watchable Cate Blanchett as David Bowie in his Ziggy Stardust period, sublimated her libidinal energies through court intrigue until she found sweet relief by violently bringing the Spanish Empire to its knees." "But that’s getting ahead of this story, which begins in 1585 when Queen Elizabeth hit 52, though the film seems to put her closer to 38, Ms. Blanchett’s actual age. The blurring of fact and fancy is, of course, routine with this kind of opulent big-screen production, in which the finer points of history largely take a back seat to personal melodrama and lavish details of production design and costumes. In this regard “The Golden Age” may set a standard for such an adulterated form: it’s reductive, distorted and deliriously far-fetched, but the gowns are fabulous, the wigs are a sight and Clive Owen makes a dandy Errol Flynn , even if he’s really meant to be Walter Raleigh, the queen’s favorite smoldering slab of man meat." Remainder at NYTimes (free subscription may be required): http://movies.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/movies/12gold.html?th&emc=th Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration), the reviewer is spot-on. The costumes are certainly fabulous. Historically accurate....well...what do we expect?? - Hope -------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, Academic Computing, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 09:19:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDJFuE000897 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:19:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CDJ4K3012131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:19:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CDIaOr048305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDIZIh017907; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDIVFU017826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:18:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local ([132.198.126.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l9CDIUuE031386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:18:30 -0400 Message-ID: <470F742B.5040903@uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:18:35 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews References: <470F7093.3010203@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <470F7093.3010203@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66073928-3df0-4d2a-b242-c370fbb2502e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470F7448.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Unfortunately, director Shekhar Kapur has doffed that sensual primacy for a bloated costume opera, in which the characters are essentially dress-up dolls, and Elizabeth has evolved from our favorite royal ingenue to a lifeless, chalk-faced runway diva." Complete, and scathing, review at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101102296.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter - Hope --------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, Academic Computing, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 09:23:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDNiq4001294 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:23:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CDNYF3006876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CDN5XN049105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDN4Vk023220; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDMxlC023126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from hope-greenbergs-computer-2.local ([132.198.126.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l9CDMwYE031835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <470F7538.5070301@uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:23:04 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews References: <470F7093.3010203@uvm.edu> <470F742B.5040903@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <470F742B.5040903@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 711b56e6-af88-4c8d-90e1-e1da7d575b20 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470F7556.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ah well... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 09:25:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDPE1g001358 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:25:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CDP8W4015645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:25:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CDOocD049525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDOnFT026090; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CDOjhg026017 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B53700049 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:22:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:22:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <470F7093.3010203@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <470F7093.3010203@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710120922.23454.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37934746-d051-4abc-980e-fb5ab9b4fef2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470F75B4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Friday 12 October 2007, Hope Greenberg wrote: [snip] > Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple > moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration), the reviewer is > spot-on. The costumes are certainly fabulous. Historically > accurate....well...what do we expect?? Not much. Well, I don't. I saw the first movie, and the costumes ranged from "Ren Faire close" to "What were they thinking!" in terms of accuracy. -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 11:15:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFFofj004890 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:15:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CFFgte019876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:15:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CFEOo9064631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:14:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFEHwj060019; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFEArA059728 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADE11067E5 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:14:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <470F8F52.4000206@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:14:26 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews References: <470F7093.3010203@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <470F7093.3010203@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9b38776-dd20-41c0-aead-83272a1873dc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470F8F9E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 11:22:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFMWfw005034 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:22:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CFMQNx023339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:22:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CFLucj066102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:21:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFLlN9070015; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:21:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFLdgl069823 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from clclists1@earthlink.net) Received: from user-105nfnn.cable.mindspring.com ([64.91.190.247] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1IgMKW-0000ug-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:21:36 -0400 Message-ID: <470F9119.50107@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:22:01 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] flapper era headband X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6837416e-ff60-4df1-acf5-b92f775e39e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470F9132.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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TIA, --Charlene _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 11:31:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFVIgG005436 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CFV4vB005952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:31:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CFUb6H068429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFUThB081859; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.215]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CFU08L081051 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.49]) by bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:29:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:29:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:29:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.211.172.121] X-Originating-Email: [morvren@hotmail.com] X-Sender: morvren@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <470F9119.50107@earthlink.net> From: "Maureen Campbell" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] flapper era headband Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:29:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 15:29:51.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB089DC0:01C80CE4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5c41525-254e-44fa-ab35-acebc610c665 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 470F9338.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In the 'teens, the headdress consisting of a band worn across the forehead was called a headache band, the popularity of which is attributed to Irene Castle. Katy On 10/12/07, Charlene Charette wrote: > I'm asking this for someone on another list. Is there a specific term > for the flapper era headband (I'm assuming she means in the US) other > than "headband"? > > TIA, > --Charlene > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 14:34:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CIYUWC016010 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:34:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CIYJAl009484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:34:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CISDcv010101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CIS8J8018380; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:28:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CIS3fL018234 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so825278nfd for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=me068SCmkQAPFcDOrJ/L4Z7Lc26/jvxYfRIvhERgq84=; b=eQt7gdh3rD+04Rw8MFINnP4pHiTIdeR7MkVlAoTj3jjinFNCClZ+k1fgBeK6s5eDIDidZ8BWO19QDSBb2pEYBB9JUrpvaQXCf0IkjTMY9IYNGJgdl3TRAx5D5sEoKKYbmJOUk8rhtYYpJnKQG5O4tbEVjxQ7GyLvDZuN+BrP/H0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=I77+P3DXy0BrAeUAWADe4gIGoBq07brNEYb/i7CsOGtPP3bCk0DhN2nKn+xOGz1Lq6x8E+Q3zi+oYhyefVLwDPBtADvsxYKCAhn1+C3hY1fek0tLwUO+SahJyRXlE21/D7FxgafiTuA5WgDX6DyYftL9DRJMEZQ2qYUMu5HNskM= Received: by 10.78.204.7 with SMTP id b7mr2555333hug.1192213680427; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.44.18 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190710121128v43ae0c6cy50836358b094f0ac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:28:00 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth Reviews X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64ed9e2f-7808-4455-8304-e1e133d4c561 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470FBE2B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What you said. It also seems that the director's vision was NOT one of historical reality, either in costume or content: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/05/AR2007100500694.html I am hoping that the acting will be good, at least! Allison T. On 10/12/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:14:26 -0500 > From: Dawn > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <470F8F52.4000206@reddawn.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hope Greenberg wrote: > > > Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple > > moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration), the reviewer is > > spot-on. The costumes are certainly fabulous. Historically > > accurate....well...what do we expect?? > > > > I expect some escapist fantasy and some pretty costumes, historical or > not, and an evening out with my husband. Same as I'd get from any movie. > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 15:36:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CJaVnp017716 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:36:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CJaPkB022571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:36:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CJZ5qO032050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CJYwUp004522; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9CJYqsP004294 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 8735 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2007 19:34:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ju9a+mpSoV9FaFUWOTV1FGWmoDwdT5SjDS0NiIRGb+bwrKqTDejvc2fKSB/bvh71L26kS9nNZWhgwri9mdwbGFiRZDZH0EbRIRGSUPFb7xIvPP1H96QTnBttWdt5AE9U9QieSVM3BInzSpWFnmhBnYU+AfXISZL6jXIW0PUYJSs=; X-YMail-OSG: Knom73UVM1nN2PPEoVfVnJquzLQu.vt1v6kRDoNL282w435aIVmy9E8zUwp8mMPpsT3YCME7yaU.SK6hvS_iYpXNXJ.jt4Wvp8FXlla.ppdyZt9fB1_zK_CWj2igL27ooyK1Q14KF84A6KwY_lEdoKDPRw-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:34:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.05 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134.12 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <53300.8386.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: To the lady who had the idea about the fleas and the thong X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ad38507-b49a-4280-bb4a-3c45bafee8d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470FCCB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Since I have no official, gainful employ= ment that a bank can confirm, I have no money of my own so I need to keep e= very option open to me until that circumstance changes. I might be getting = underwear revenge, but I could end up shooting myself in the foot in the lo= ng run. Besides, the bills come to me, I back track the purchases, and moun= t up even more proof that he is having an affair with someone who he keeps = trying to tell me is just a friend. heh. Not anymore.=0A=0APlaying my cards= as carefully as my vengeful urges allow me,=0A=0AKathy.=0A =0AErmine, a li= on rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, = seeded, slipped and leaved vert=0A(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a li= ons head erased gules. =0AIt=92s never too late to be who you might have be= en.=0A-George Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the begin= ning of knowledge. =0AWho you are is contained inside, and no one can chang= e that. They can only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly = reshape you to their own image.=0A=0AI was just thinking: If your ex is us= ing your joint credit card, it =0Acould be a legal process to untangle.=0A= =0AWhat if you reported it stolen, so he can't use it, and apply for =0Aano= ther card under your own name?=0A=0AFran=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Ask a= question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answe= rs and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 16:47:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CKlTb4019663 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:47:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CKlNC7000725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:47:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CKkDOH046214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:46:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CKkAQf092144; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:46:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CKk6I3091977 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c2d.1ddf93ab (30738) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:45:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:45:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2e2f142-d591-4517-9a73-95c363127f58 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470FDD5B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: > the story of the bastard monarch ***************** It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz was conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed adultery is different from an annulment. Of course in this film anything's possible. I suppose there'll be some females in outrageous full armor like that last one.... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 17:04:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CL4TpW020054 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:04:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CL4Mv0032743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CL3p33048383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CL3nWj011969; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9CL3jsD011806 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 29864 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2007 21:03:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SKNSp3YVM1ktnefeEgkLbF5DK40ziHwG2Ab0JA8SgntFgBXZpcg1LnxPSk9400YWk8.n_uPcwxlPFiHgOSLQ89aqP1qGMDd0FHpgHGjMkFyDKMtg5.7CDuomks8P9Q-- Received: from [86.149.159.82] by web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:03:37 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <239713.29686.qm@web1013.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd873621-cfb5-4609-b4b3-d84f801cd6a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470FE156.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: > the story of the bastard monarch ***************** It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz was conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed adultery is different from an annulment. Of course in this film anything's possible. I suppose there'll be some females in outrageous full armor like that last one.... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 17:24:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CLOGah020532 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:24:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CLOAYq009429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CLNePk050219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CLNc24032565; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CLNZwf032434 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200710122123.l9CLNZwf032434@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-13-57.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.13.57]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20071012212330m1400p0mpne>; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:23:30 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:23:29 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Who licenses or acts as an agent for textile designs In-Reply-To: <470B08FA.6020701@lavoltapress.com> References: <470B08FA.6020701@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b32e9c04-0a6b-4503-820d-90088301eb0d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 470FE5FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 12:52 AM 10/9/2007, you wrote: >Personally, I want the butterfly design on a velvet cape (a real >shaped cape, not as shown; for which the design would probably have >to be re-shaped) as an antique gold butterfly on a warm brown >background, maybe with some beaded accents. > >Fran Wow, those are incredibly beautiful! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 18:05:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CM5DTo021456 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:05:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CM55UE016213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CM3w7f054472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CM3uas073308; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9CM3qUc073178 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 1219 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 22:03:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hQDxrOUypixEcjoglziluiEpCZiQDURpo0iBA3quK1RtOBslDmEWiXaAWYk0kw4O7Fqj+apjEBSVW58heh/ZvSw43UBUijKSjoQztBUIZ1cI2a3NlcSHz5kkCr2NKMLuhFsruEyHifmDABbsFco50g2JYFXgx0mb2QO3Fu2lA+g= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) 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" Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration)..." My first thought was, surely that shade of purple wasn't invented until the 19th century? JEan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 18:16:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CMGO06021745 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:16:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CMGIHa006724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:16:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CMFvnC055777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CMFuGu086263; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [216.252.120.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9CMFrdP086144 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beteena@mostlymedieval.com) Received: (qmail 63557 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2007 22:15:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JHZ1lDMVM1m0oc94q.Yjk.Zf74geac2s_B4oydyedBPaWyLC6gi3c4zKBTZNZNuwObaRBGgVyA-- Received: from [86.149.159.82] by web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:15:47 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:15:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Beteena Paradise Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <470FEF3D.4070901@yahoo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <629606.59156.qm@web1001.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7cf0d9de-7661-4e2b-864d-8b40c1b6895b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 470FF232.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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JEan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 12 18:58:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CMwoBH022744 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:58:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9CMwcIU027065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9CMw5oS059562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CMw1HL023314; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9CMvvsN023242 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (202-78-152-208.cable.telstraclear.net [202.78.152.208]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JPT0039NMGKAI20@smtp3.clear.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:57:56 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:58:30 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <470FFC16.1080009@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76115b84-43b1-481b-8916-cae2eba2eca6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 470FFC1E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: > > >> the story of the bastard monarch >> > > ***************** > > It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz was > conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed adultery is different > from an annulment. > The exact date of the marriage of Anne Boleyn to Henry VIII is not known-- it was some time during late 1532 or January, 1533. Elizabeth was born in early September, so it's not possible to know with certainty whether she was conceived just before or just after the marriage took place. Her parents were definitely married when she was born, though, which is what matters in terms of legitimacy. However, before Anne lost her head, her marriage to the King was annulled on the grounds of the consanguinuity of a previous sexual relationship between Henry and Anne's sister Mary, for which no dispensation had been granted (or sought, for that matter). Elizabeth was declared a bastard. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 13 16:42:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9DKglBF003426 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:42:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9DKgech007074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:42:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9DKfexx034490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9DKfSNh019480; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9DKfPOe019419 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD3F567F037E; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:40:31 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <470FFC16.1080009@paradise.net.nz> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:41:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c80dd9$662f2850$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgNI1rkKOQJDlGbQ2+uj78cR5YzGQAtY6EQ In-Reply-To: <470FFC16.1080009@paradise.net.nz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 010f5e89-14d5-4755-ba31-29aae627bb77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47112DC0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And that raised the question of whether Mary Boleyn's son, Henry Carey, was really Henry's bastard son, making him half brother to Elizabeth, instead of only first cousin. Makes you wish you could be a fly on the wall.... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Adele de Maisieres Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:59 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: > > >> the story of the bastard monarch >> > > ***************** > > It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz > was conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed > adultery is different from an annulment. > The exact date of the marriage of Anne Boleyn to Henry VIII is not known-- it was some time during late 1532 or January, 1533. Elizabeth was born in early September, so it's not possible to know with certainty whether she was conceived just before or just after the marriage took place. Her parents were definitely married when she was born, though, which is what matters in terms of legitimacy. However, before Anne lost her head, her marriage to the King was annulled on the grounds of the consanguinuity of a previous sexual relationship between Henry and Anne's sister Mary, for which no dispensation had been granted (or sought, for that matter). Elizabeth was declared a bastard. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 06:00:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EA0vq8027566 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:00:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EA0pOu018349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:00:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9E9xeLI023918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:59:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9E9xaxm096031; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.49]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9E9xVVL095860 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 13194 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2007 09:59:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tt3skQE4/4VpHsRu4y13jWqizo3tCTATkj+y055IgBzuadhFguRC3ggiHDzkLIAitFVeIebBSZdBgD/cXCHuyu8yGDx2dcyHqtT0kHnbPV6uDzbp/GDjPt9D9bG0O4zr2AnSSPm9qtk9xA59V52CqtLIqdK3WChlDMLEPLROo+w=; X-YMail-OSG: .q0zHRMVM1kdYym3a4xDIM5e.z8aEGKy7DDVb1haYM8mi1poxewBswFP97bEKEq6yZWQvUqbPQ-- Received: from [87.244.93.28] by web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:59:25 BST Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:59:25 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <778607.12302.qm@web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help, please? Cleaning tarnished metallic lace. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af7a37ca-1ab1-437d-ada9-13655504e0aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4711E8D3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ladies & Gentlemen of the List, this List seems to be honoured by a number of people whose professional work is - or has been - Costuming - for Museums, Theatre, Films, and the like. Reading many past Posts while I have been lurking in the shadows and learning from you all, I suspect that some of you also have expertise in the conservation and cleaning of historic clothing. I plead for help on behalf of my Lady and her sister, from such of you as have experience in the restoration/conservation of historic clothing - especially the metallic lace which so often is to be found upon "dress" uniforms. "Old" Jersey's Catholic "cathedral" has just undergone a £1Million+plus renovation, to restore the building to it's original 1870's "Gothic Revival" splendour. The Canon [Jersey's most senior Catholic priest] has subsequently - and as a part of the renovation - created a small exhibition - in purpose-made display-cases - in one of the underused side-chapels - of many religious items which have languished hidden in storage for years. Near-on 40 gorgeously-embroidered Copes and Chasubles have been discovered, for example, secreted in various cupboards and chests in seldom-visited corners of various Church properties. Some of these robes are believed to be over a century old, dating from the 1870's-80's. These robes will be displayed in rotation, so that visitors and Congregation may marvel at the High Craft of these wonderful examples of the highest-quality Embroidery. Chalices, pattens, monstrances, reliquaries, small shrines, and other items, - many presented to the new Church when it was first consecrated in 1873 - have now been cleaned and restored by my Lady and her sister, and are on-display for the first in over 60 years. One Monstrance is said to have been donated to the newly-consecrated St. Thomas'' Church by Louis Napoleon III, ex-Emperor of the French. A small coffered shrine, of over-gilded wood and plaster, now in restoration by myself - is known to have been donated by the Papacy of the Time. One of the exhibits is the Uniform of St. Thomas' "Suisse" [from the French "suivre" - to follow, rather than from the "Swiss" denoting a connection with the Papal Guard]. The Suisse led all the Church processions - carrying a Mace and a Spontoon, to "clear the way". The single-breasted swallow-tail coat is edged- and the "overall" trousers are striped down the side seams - with metallic "gold" lace, almost a bright as the day they were delivered from the Tailors, [because they were properly stored-away when the "office" of the Suisse was not filled by the local priest in the early 1960's, following the retirement of the previous Suisse]. However the Suisse's cocked hat, [worn "athwartships"] - also heavily ornamented with "gold" lace and trimmed with white ostrich feathers - was not so carefully stored-away, and - though the base fabric and feathers are untouched by Time, - the metallic lace has tarnished badly, and is now green instead of a bright gold. We would welcome suggestions as to how we might clean the metallic lace and restore it to a shine at least equal to that of the lace ornamenting the swallow-tail coat and the trousers. Thanking you in advance for your suggestions, Julian Wilson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 06:35:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EAZM1H000578 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:35:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EAZFr2008813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:35:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9EAYlEm029694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EAYkSr025370; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.244.156] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EAYhEi025260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.78.235] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ih0nt-0005fz-70 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:34:38 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071014112924.033e31e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:34:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help, please? Cleaning tarnished metallic lace. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 10:59 14/10/2007, you wrote: > Ladies & Gentlemen of the List, > this List seems to be honoured by a number of=20 > people whose professional work is - or has been=20 > - Costuming - for Museums, Theatre, Films, and=20 > the like. Reading many past Posts while I have=20 > been lurking in the shadows and learning from=20 > you all, I suspect that some of you also have=20 > expertise in the conservation and cleaning of historic clothing. > > I plead for help on behalf of my Lady and her=20 > sister, from such of you as have experience in=20 > the restoration/conservation of historic=20 > clothing - especially the metallic lace which=20 > so often is to be found upon "dress" uniforms. > "Old" Jersey's Catholic "cathedral" has just=20 > undergone a =A31Million+plus renovation, to=20 > restore the building to it's original 1870's "Gothic Revival" splendour. > The Canon [Jersey's most senior Catholic=20 > priest] has subsequently - and as a part of=20 > the renovation - created a small exhibition -=20 > in purpose-made display-cases - in one of the=20 > underused side-chapels - of many religious=20 > items which have languished hidden in storage for years. > > Near-on 40 gorgeously-embroidered Copes and=20 > Chasubles have been discovered, for example,=20 > secreted in various cupboards and chests in=20 > seldom-visited corners of various Church=20 > properties. Some of these robes are believed to=20 > be over a century old, dating from the 1870's-80's. > These robes will be displayed in rotation, so=20 > that visitors and Congregation may marvel at=20 > the High Craft of these wonderful examples of the highest-quality= Embroidery. > > Chalices, pattens, monstrances, reliquaries,=20 > small shrines, and other items, - many=20 > presented to the new Church when it was first=20 > consecrated in 1873 - have now been cleaned and=20 > restored by my Lady and her sister, and are=20 > on-display for the first in over 60 years. One=20 > Monstrance is said to have been donated to the=20 > newly-consecrated St. Thomas'' Church by Louis=20 > Napoleon III, ex-Emperor of the French. A small=20 > coffered shrine, of over-gilded wood and=20 > plaster, now in restoration by myself - is=20 > known to have been donated by the Papacy of the Time. > > One of the exhibits is the Uniform of St.=20 > Thomas' "Suisse" [from the French "suivre" -=20 > to follow, rather than from the=20 > "Swiss" denoting a connection with the Papal Guard]. > The Suisse led all the Church processions -=20 > carrying a Mace and a Spontoon, to "clear the way". > The single-breasted swallow-tail coat is=20 > edged- and the "overall" trousers are striped=20 > down the side seams - with metallic "gold"=20 > lace, almost a bright as the day they were=20 > delivered from the Tailors, [because they were=20 > properly stored-away when the "office" of the=20 > Suisse was not filled by the local priest in=20 > the early 1960's, following the retirement of the previous Suisse]. > However the Suisse's cocked hat, [worn=20 > "athwartships"] - also heavily ornamented with=20 > "gold" lace and trimmed with white ostrich=20 > feathers - was not so carefully stored-away,=20 > and - though the base fabric and feathers are=20 > untouched by Time, - the metallic lace has=20 > tarnished badly, and is now green instead of a bright gold. > > We would welcome suggestions as to how we=20 > might clean the metallic lace and restore it to=20 > a shine at least equal to that of the lace=20 > ornamenting the swallow-tail coat and the trousers. > >Thanking you in advance for your suggestions, > Julian Wilson You could try contacting "Hands" - (Lacemen) in=20 London, who very possibly supplied the braid in=20 the first place. I will try and get an address=20 for you. Otherwise museum conservators, or the=20 Royal School of Needlework's conservator=20 department at Hampton Court might be able to help. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 06:44:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EAi3tH000763 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:44:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EAhuWK005880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:43:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9EAhgcf030513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EAhfsv031174; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9EAhbbq031053 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 69606 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2007 10:43:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Lb8qapdfVvoofx9qlFs4dDa5oJrp39s/qRL+Uc12Imrll9FpS91STqWiOMfLrMvvB+/FgXQ8SgGgtO00kmY7/LU2WbXw5ZNvMdUFN9gRnF7fcI4GvgNwvLZcXWw2CEJA6AZ3u2+V6KwmvUVlBmT5W/ARAZ3Ur0/7MmtNW5yK7bY=; X-YMail-OSG: R7abL9YVM1nWscExccV8jsbTSqQmJm2XtA.GkJ612vD7MDHEhbkaUvuner0.pS3Tsiic_iJo8w-- Received: from [87.244.93.28] by web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:43:31 BST Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:43:31 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help, please? Cleaning tarnished metallic lace. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071014112924.033e31e8@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <693362.69441.qm@web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12062174-0fbd-4067-b3ed-f32aeb05b2e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4711F2EC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I shall look them up online today. yoursgratefully, Julian Wilson Suzi Clarke wrote: SNIPPED > However the Suisse's cocked hat, [worn "athwartships"] - also heavily ornamented with "gold" lace and trimmed with white ostrich feathers - was not so carefully stored-away, and - SNIPPED - the metallic lace has tarnished badly, and is now green instead of a bright gold. > We would welcome suggestions as to how we might clean the metallic lace and restore it to a shine at least equal to that of the lace ornamenting the swallow-tail coat and the trousers.SNIPPED REPLY You could try contacting "Hands" - (Lacemen) in London, who very possibly supplied the braid in the first place. I will try and get an address for you. Otherwise museum conservators, or the Royal School of Needlework's conservator department at Hampton Court might be able to help. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 06:48:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EAmfUR000875 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:48:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EAmYcI020205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9EAmHbP030809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:48:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EAmHlv034375; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:48:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.244.156] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EAmDng034288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.78.235] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ih10x-0006QA-Lm for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:48:08 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071014114718.033e0018@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:48:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help, please? Cleaning tarnished metallic lace. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 11:43 14/10/2007, you wrote: >Dear Suzi, > TYVM for your prompt response. I shall look them up online today. I couldn't find them on line, but have put a request out on another list I'm on, as we have people who make military uniforms there. Suzi > > yoursgratefully, > Julian Wilson > >Suzi Clarke wrote: > SNIPPED > > However the Suisse's cocked hat, [worn "athwartships"] - also > heavily ornamented with "gold" lace and trimmed with white > ostrich feathers - was not so carefully stored-away, and - > SNIPPED - the metallic lace has tarnished badly, and is now green > instead of a bright gold. > > We would welcome suggestions as to how we might clean the > metallic lace and restore it to a shine at least equal to that of > the lace ornamenting the swallow-tail coat and the trousers.SNIPPED > REPLY > You could try contacting "Hands" - (Lacemen) in London, who very > possibly supplied the braid in the first place. I will try and get > an address for you. Otherwise museum conservators, or the Royal > School of Needlework's conservator department at Hampton Court > might be able to help. > >Suzi >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 07:57:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EBvqiY003451 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:57:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EBvjJo031819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:57:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9EBucc8035375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EBuZ51076604; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.244.156] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EBuXhv076536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.78.235] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ih255-0004Mt-8J for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:56:27 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071014125541.033c4348@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:56:22 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help, please? Cleaning tarnished metallic lace. 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(No pun intended!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 08:08:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EC8dkE003783 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:08:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EC8WWS013744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9EC8ELR036667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EC8DTx084425; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9EC891g084335 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 96713 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2007 12:08:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4d1ZwtcIuxPQdG3g7wIo1q1ijVB8wVmv1t4cNMm9hMS8gq6VutvWADG8HXW+omYIsQY8J4tFY0Y8qKeZHdn5jggpUx9he707aNJuaYlVLspc6LalS56RTwOScXRLViE1lnLK3NNBR9RiChVr8+IgO/f0Es17GYq/akZpq6qsLlI=; X-YMail-OSG: XYp5Y3sVM1kAx5vKKJ2j0QvE_n9gPXaDQUzDA3rMYxqcEktLkESTCBv6c.EpL04wFV6qY1uYNBWWFt9_NtOEwfHirv1iGbjIj9Ue27c2.xJtOCBY Received: from [87.244.93.28] by web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:08:03 BST Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:08:03 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Reply - [h-cost] Help, please? Cleaning tarnished metallic lace. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071014125541.033c4348@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <14628.96455.qm@web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19ed096d-b2b9-4dd2-a04c-205e0f15e6e3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471206C0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Aha! Margaret Street, London? Way back when the world was young, & rocks were soft, - one of my very first jobs was clerking for the Performing Rights Society whose HQ was in Margaret Street! Hand't thought of that for years. Anyway, TYVM for giving-up some of your Sunday morning to be so helpful. My lady will now take action on that data. Best Wishes and Thanks, Julian Suzi Clarke wrote: At 11:43 14/10/2007, you wrote: >Dear Suzi, > TYVM for your prompt response. I shall look them up online today. > 86 Margaret Street London W1W (0207 580 7488) http://www.hand-embroidery.co.uk/ Suzi Apparently they have moved and changed hands and so on! (No pun intended!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 16:13:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EKDsnB016471 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:13:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EKDlLm009606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:13:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9EKClAH098661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:12:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EKCfQp001733; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EFV6T2053998 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JPW00C1HR3JWT30@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:30:54 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Help, please? Cleaning tarnished metallic lace. In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20071014114718.033e0018@suziclarke.co.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d89a393-79d2-4d5a-b45a-91350bb1977e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4712787B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I read somewhere that mettalic lace was originally cleaned by rubbing it with a piece of bread saturated with urine. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:48 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help, please? Cleaning tarnished metallic lace. At 11:43 14/10/2007, you wrote: >Dear Suzi, > TYVM for your prompt response. I shall look them up online today. I couldn't find them on line, but have put a request out on another list I'm on, as we have people who make military uniforms there. Suzi > > yoursgratefully, > Julian Wilson > >Suzi Clarke wrote: > SNIPPED > > However the Suisse's cocked hat, [worn "athwartships"] - also > heavily ornamented with "gold" lace and trimmed with white > ostrich feathers - was not so carefully stored-away, and - > SNIPPED - the metallic lace has tarnished badly, and is now green > instead of a bright gold. > > We would welcome suggestions as to how we might clean the > metallic lace and restore it to a shine at least equal to that of > the lace ornamenting the swallow-tail coat and the trousers.SNIPPED > REPLY > You could try contacting "Hands" - (Lacemen) in London, who very > possibly supplied the braid in the first place. I will try and get > an address for you. Otherwise museum conservators, or the Royal > School of Needlework's conservator department at Hampton Court > might be able to help. > >Suzi >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 18:18:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EMIhaU020362 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:18:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EMIau2019610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:18:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9EKClND098660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:12:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EKCe4s001714; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EJiXNQ078394 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071014194432.LVBK20306.fep31.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:44:32 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.205]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071014194432.JGBF21904.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:44:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c80e9a$a283fad0$cd14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071014112924.033e31e8@suziclarke.co.uk><693362.69441.qm@web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071014125541.033c4348@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help, please? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.hand-embroidery.co.uk/ This is the company Suzi Clarke would give you to ask about cleaning tarnished metal- Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 19:00:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EN0njO021578 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:00:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9EN0hJE020015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9EMxaPt013973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EMxWni018711; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:59:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9EMxTAT018605 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W10 ([65.55.136.45]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:59:24 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.239.217.119] From: Robin Netherton To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:59:23 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2007 22:59:24.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD64CF60:01C80EB5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seeking names in early textile research X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9cf021b-9ce6-4b71-8744-06eaae71d1a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47129F9B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Travel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 14 20:33:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F0XGrE023346 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:33:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9F0X9nK001755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:33:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9F0V7Yn021159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F0Tutv081739; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F0TrSg081612 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NRJ+4+shdQNvbN4ORioSGD3DuNmTNnXWokGsk0V1jaBiu9fjwCS4JkH9lfuXX7VO; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.207.41] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IhDq7-0007CJ-Pw for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:29:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4173A63F-5838-476C-954B-B666BADA3249@earthlink.net> From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking names in early textile research Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:30:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478986a28d8589f2169e66df67fe37deb19b8c5ca59d46a4b3a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.207.41 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0e9bee6-265a-439a-9159-37a1d6943fe2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4712B545.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 14, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Passing along a question from a friend that I can't answer myself: > Can anyone point me to which researchers would be the "name" > specialists studying and publishing about textiles from the Near > East and Aegean from the fourth and third centuries B.C.? > > I know there are plenty of people in pre-medieval periods, but > because it's not my own area, I can't remember which scholars > specialize in which periods and places, and I'd rather not e-mail > all of them to find out. > > This is to help a student working in a related material culture > area in the period of Alexander the Great. I'm not sure that there are enough textiles surviving from that period to support a focused expert. The only textile that comes to mind from that narrow window are some fragments found in an elaborate box in a tomb supposed to be that of Philip of Macedon. (The identification may be more certain than I'm making it sound.) This is discussed in Flury-Lemberg's _Textile Conservation and Reserach_ and mentioned in an article in _Athens Annals of Archaeology_ discussing the site in general (there's an offprint of this article available as: Andronikos, M.. 1980. Royal Graves at Vergina. Athens Annals of Archaeology, Athens.) Somewhat earlier than that target period, but possible also relevant are some textiles from the burial known as "the hero of Lefkandi", which is mentioned in Barber's _Prehistoric Textiles_, as well as in Popham, Mervyn, E. Touloupa & L.H. Sackett. 1982. "The hero of Lefkandi" in Antiquity 56:169-174. I'm almost hesitant to suggest Barber as a _specialist_ in this topic, since she covers such a broad territory, but she probably comes closest to fitting the description of anyone I'm familiar with. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 15 00:22:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F4MqT5026842 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:22:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9F4Mj97022760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:22:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9F4LflY050765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:21:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F4Lbv8063653; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9F4LZJb063542 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=rtNHZxT7LzLchAri6EwMMX3S6PZ2rLAV0+bUsV2cxyHv0bwaJPRA5z/qUrRygrPi; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.105.197.108] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1IhHSM-0007sS-3f for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:21:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:19:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ccf0bb866b823e571ae5c1beed56c37c0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.105.197.108 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paternoster beads: medieval dress accessory X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae63c8a7-cffa-43ee-b1d5-d382523a94a5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4712EB16.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For anyone interested who hasn't already heard about it, my booklet "Bedes Byddyng: Medieval Rosaries and Paternoster Beads" has been published (finally!) as issue #135 of the Compleat Anachronist (an SCA quarterly). It's available at $4.50 per copy at: https:// secure.sca.org/cgi-bin/stockclerk/ca.html (Go to page 14 of the site and scroll down) This is a short introduction to the history of rosary beads (mostly Christian ones), along with a look at the social history: what materials were used for beads, threads and accessories; numbers and significance of beads; how rosaries were made, sold, worn, and used; and a few pointers on how to tell whether a string of beads is a rosary or not. There is also an appendix with full instructions on making a rather generic set of medieval-style beads. It was stressful to write, but satisfying. I hadn't seen it since I turned in the manuscript six months ago, and I am now grimacing over the usual quota of typos, formatting mistakes and bits of authorial disorganization that made it into the printed version. I'll do better next time: but I'm happy to have it to offer. I'd be interested in anyone's comments (on or off list) once you've read it. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 15 09:37:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9FDbU5n024793 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:37:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9FDbMF9023395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:37:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9FDaKCf029665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:36:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9FDZvv7051871; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9FDZrgY051646 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:37:07 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Paternoster beads: medieval dress accessory Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:37:19 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B026685FE@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Paternoster beads: medieval dress accessory Thread-Index: AcgO40FhsXPtRvRcRQ+EVtJYujAtCQATSGkg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2007 13:37:07.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B0BB1F0:01C80F30] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 972022ef-d995-4f7e-baee-ffd63a5bcb6b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47136D12.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I get CA and I found it useful & informative, thanks so much! Ceit -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chris Laning Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:19 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Paternoster beads: medieval dress accessory For anyone interested who hasn't already heard about it, my booklet =20 "Bedes Byddyng: Medieval Rosaries and Paternoster Beads" has been =20 published (finally!) as issue #135 of the Compleat Anachronist (an =20 SCA quarterly). It's available at $4.50 per copy at: https://=20 secure.sca.org/cgi-bin/stockclerk/ca.html (Go to page 14 of the site =20 and scroll down) This is a short introduction to the history of rosary beads (mostly =20 Christian ones), along with a look at the social history: what =20 materials were used for beads, threads and accessories; numbers and =20 significance of beads; how rosaries were made, sold, worn, and used; =20 and a few pointers on how to tell whether a string of beads is a =20 rosary or not. There is also an appendix with full instructions on =20 making a rather generic set of medieval-style beads. It was stressful to write, but satisfying. I hadn't seen it since I =20 turned in the manuscript six months ago, and I am now grimacing over =20 the usual quota of typos, formatting mistakes and bits of authorial =20 disorganization that made it into the printed version. I'll do better =20 next time: but I'm happy to have it to offer. I'd be interested in anyone's comments (on or off list) once you've =20 read it. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 15 15:20:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9FJKgt9001781 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:20:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9FJKZXY005939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:20:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9FJJV5l005449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9FJJMKw052036; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9FDlFPv065744 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1999938waf for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:47:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=V9EAy0B/SVig6b3erL/MKPV/PR71sCYFjaqwgjMVx90=; b=b5YwHqV2BYZIFQ6K68zD2oU/CQhHM3EKYpsImVLOpGToGwMt1Dt2TQa6adjTrvn23vd71AXZPW5eIfp4JyR1Y8yQTlL5sZXSQ8nPRbRYIkeP7+eiKZGWk1S2BrQ1SNxeExLeAlJI1m65BXsZHWYEtMqROVcziJpKPTIWecU+9dI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IGrVz2WbBoyHDP/pnKfuOplKhF2q4tnkxsMWBVsyg+IB2lXkrmVloedX0gcq40LtjClEGDOYPrTlLbgPzTnmrNXs88t92BgjfgsPh5jvi1Qo9rt/TOYAvwOJ0Kr0l4mst0zBpyKyFIou/LA1QcARNHtqxYdqBtYtMEXNjG1CdE8= Received: by 10.115.74.1 with SMTP id b1mr6985069wal.1192456034334; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.17 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <228c7530710150647o172d4741m63bece2cc9d10437@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:47:14 +1000 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: what's the dressmakers dummy wearing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59f01585-a56c-48e1-9e20-717c69cd05b0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4713BD83.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Happy, happy, happy B arbara M a r ein _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 15 20:29:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9G0TqxY008509 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:29:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9G0Tdk3031409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:29:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9G0SS6L051906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9G0SJS1027014; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9G0SGfB026928 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:28:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92467 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2007 00:28:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=v1SBRxNVQ1TnMuOyGDj2s20ZgF1sOE9+PHmJAQMxmkq/O/g77pVRW/GXisQxx8zMwG9wCPo99+mF7Hd/w02co+G7u6neAS+BRUrXGqO+H6PGNXuYGcFJFit8xozcGJgVo56IPyF1TZSv0+fTFRyjmKppK2I97oqXKIiFt35LtY0=; X-YMail-OSG: H97io8MVM1loUGI7ztZIT0r39MWurdIpeAvscYNVL_voMk92Marq0mohySDfz8GaX0qGcHLZylTN0blAqZ.XQeS.2mFtRWJheEhRpUWwjodfqDtz60xX2ofH_jXIig-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:28:15 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paternoster beads: medieval dress accessory To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <340240.92151.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5085aa2a-0bfa-4c26-b610-cb6285867d10 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471405F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 16 03:17:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9G7HYfH010258 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:17:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9G7HRuE011009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:17:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9G7GQ2Y006188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9G7GKEq004418; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9G7Fhd8003988 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so1114210wri for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:15:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=uqLVvYEYybLFQUpDUkR/6AdnYLlhRnaD+KieWwUWKeA=; b=hYG+3cl0aqPzwhXPnyk328ZRuXcxfdPp2FEfOsoQ/KgwiQ9ijBV/ob3Om0Hkw5leoDNxQaLKoboHYdulruZ4O8/TdAv7ovgPU3DiWMcxTu5WXaC3bcfkGFelSabO+pdnuxUIAdJGsb6F5/ZGYHNh618Pb41RPY6BkNW44IWllzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Vlqe+YIgAMX2mJtJrnYqucM19HVCk4ls0wgik9kPDimMUsBQNtF0UNb8s6ltA/1VV30rQKfTe9tJsBtOpPbXrMWNXGi1iCh6GPb6Mg1cEwKQhq4PP3neu88uD092mNDhkr2WvqrIJC6K8HE1olrJkJJlJ3TsE/+yme0bh9WjhWw= Received: by 10.142.47.6 with SMTP id u6mr1824869wfu.1192518939388; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:15:39 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking names in early textile research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fcc79f9-a7b4-4a15-acf7-c5a77385a1c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47146587.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 14, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: >> This is to help a student working in a related material culture >> area in the period of Alexander the Great. Heather said:>I'm not sure that there are enough textiles surviving from that period to support a focused expert. The only textile that comes to mind from that narrow window are some fragments found in an elaborate box in a tomb supposed to be that of Philip of Macedon. (The identification may be more certain than I'm making it sound.) This is discussed in Flury-Lemberg's _Textile Conservation and Reserach_ and mentioned in an article in _Athens Annals of Archaeology_ discussing the site in general (there's an offprint of this article available as: Andronikos, M.. 1980. Royal Graves at Vergina. Athens Annals of Archaeology, Athens.) I suspect that might be Dr. Manolis Andronikos, the book I have of his notes him at Univ of Thessalonika. If it's the textile, I'm thinking of, it is/was burnt offering grave goods, purple & gold (the metal) but was not intended at clothing. It can be seen in the Museum of Thessaloniki. It's a nifty piece of work. I never did find a catalog with a color photo. The other Greek archaeologist I'd try as a starting point is Dr. Nicos Papahatzis, but I'm sure he's long since retired. As a starting point, in seeking him or his collegues out, look for his work annotating Pausanius' "Description of Greece". He too was associated with the Univ of Thessalonika, but the stuff I have of his related only to sites in the Pelaponnesus. There are zillions are digs throughout the country, but no one ever publishes pics of the ratty scraps of textile. Tourists & art historians alike want the marbles, frescoes, useful household goods & shiny jewelry. The Vergina & nearby digs were particularly full of shiny gold silver bronze bits. Beautiful coronets, necklaces & even thigh bands. Exquisite armor. Tableware. Happy hunting! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 16 14:36:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9GIaBKE015006 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:36:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9GIa3JD016499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:36:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9GIYpcK019500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9GIYj51031583; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.59]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9GIYgAq031393 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:34:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mlysett@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96722 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2007 18:34:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3TuBzi3m4iyMNDNgxjLaeZ40Xyd1R6Haro1Qq77r7FNcLzl4Vlg0O7RNEmd8xoALQuiiDL3C4KsP+VnzTGpSMQTVQUw+FAQbPeDeGtG6qMYdUaAqDlM0qz2Si+oKyCuKFW39pJBjmJCz+OSKBdbLxMr3PVNDK8ANdXG5oO/kMaM=; X-YMail-OSG: udeaD_EVM1nLr9HNixavxGJx7JkM9kI9Le4cv1D6qy8UfCfWqkqSasTpVrakHwujARYdojUyi2CzmNLW0hr4embMPBoEnsH36a.n9mHxx2HO2n.Is3GBj8KUr1DDEoqdPdzTqeLk8DHx_ZJTztH0cpmaAg-- Received: from [98.204.11.184] by web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:34:36 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mlysett To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <963325.95255.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Farthingale Calculator X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a7dd606-341d-4a27-a5fb-f73e5f313e90 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47150493.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry for the cross-posting, however, for anyone interested, I have updated the Farthingale Calculator to allow you to choose the number of boning rows. Additionally, the calculator has moved. To access it, please go to http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/tools.html. For anyone not familiar with the Farthingale Calculator, I set up a program to determine for you both the circumference of each row of boning and the length from the waist for each row for a farthingale. The length for the first row of boning will be twice the distance between any two rows, to allow the wearer to sit comfortably. Additionally, these calculations do not take in to account a bumroll, if worn under the farthingale. The program doesn't seem to work with certain versions of IE. However, for IE 7 users, there is a solution on the user end to make the program work. If you go to Tools, Internet Options, Security, Custom Level, and set "Allow websites to prompt using scripted windows" to enable, the program works just fine. Somehow, setting it to temporarily allow this doesn't cut it. Thanks and happy sewing! 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This week Sharon has the following 9 items up for auction: - 2 framed samplers: Golden Acorn (ebay Item number: 250176755747) Random Motif (ebay Item number: 250176750557) - 3 separate auctions for the pieces in Her Majesty's Costume Collection Her Majesty's Glove Scissor Case (Ebay item number: 250176777015) Her Majesty's Coif Needlebook (Ebay Item 250176771367) Her Majesty's Night Cap Pincushion (Ebay Item number: 250176767782) - Portrait of Elizabeth R (Ebay item number: 250176760980) - 3 separate auctions for the pieces of the Sampler Posy Collection Perfect for a pincushion, ornament, or gift these pieces have opening bid price of ONLY $9 Rose Sampler Posy stitched by Sharon Cohen (item #: 250176751281) Honeysuckle Sampler Posy stitched by Sharon Cohen (#: 250176752192) Carnation Sampler Posy stitched by Sharon Cohen ( #: 250176752722) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 07:43:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HBhUwT022057 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:43:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HBhMim015019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:43:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HBgFAx058709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HBg9fe084500; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:42:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HBg5dS084378 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W31 ([65.55.136.66]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.253.175.160] From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:42:00 -0500 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2007 11:42:00.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA93CA50:01C810B2] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume curator position X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35f4c949-c00a-4ba3-9dd8-612143cc0bce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4715F55A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here's a rare opening: http://chronicle.com/jobs/id.php?id=3D0000528831-01&pg=3De It requires significant curatorial experience, which makes sense, but good = luck in finding someone with an "advanced degree in costume history." I got this off a public list, so feel free to forward to lists for 19th-20t= h c. costume history. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 10:34:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HEYUnJ026681 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:34:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HEYMmG001285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:34:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HEX2sD096639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HEWvUn092994; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HEWqqU092802 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c1c.20918868 (29679) for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:32:43 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ee1d5aa-5049-42ae-a93f-f4419af57670 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47161D6E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My students are designing a production of "Dracula" (1897) and are required to do research and designs for the costumes. There has been a lot of discussion of vest colors and appropriate coats for various occasions. I learned (Esquire Book of Men's Clothing, mostly) that the rule of thumb is white tie and vest with tails, black tie and vest with tux. A man in black tie and tails would be a servant ie butler or waiter. So my students have found a lot of research contrary to what my assumption was. I have seen pictures of white vest and black tie with tails, white vest and white tie with tuxedos, black vest and tie with tails on gentlemen who would never be mistaken for servants and all other permutations. The research they have found is secondary, meaning drawings from the period rather than actual photographs. Have I been wrong all these years? Also, it was my understanding that tuxedos were not considered proper in the presence of ladies. Tails were required for those occasions, although I do understand that this convention gradually faded away. Can someone elucidate me? Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 10:45:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HEjY9I026968 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:45:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HEjMqD005536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:45:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HEirWv098483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:44:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HEikAS009227; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HEigAK009067 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c3a.1feb2bde (52373) for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-md06 (webmail-md06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.144]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM027-cc9547161fd350; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:44:35 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:44:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.144) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:44:36 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9DEE35F5C1CC0-B5C-2168@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.144 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8141c337-212d-4c74-949f-c04eff0c06cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47162002.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think Miss Manners has covered the evolution of tails and the tuxedo--try one of her earlier etiquette books.? Tuxedos were definitely "informal" when first developed, so your characters should probably be wearing tails.? I think the white tie and tails had been codified by then, to include the starched front shirt and white pique waistcoat, but I could be wrong. Ann Wass -----Original Message----- From: Cheryldee@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:32 am Subject: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests My students are designing a production of "Dracula" (1897) and are required to do research and designs for the costumes. There has been a lot of discussion of vest colors and appropriate coats for various occasions. I learned (Esquire Book of Men's Clothing, mostly) that the rule of thumb is white tie and vest with tails, black tie and vest with tux. A man in black tie and tails would be a servant ie butler or waiter. So my students have found a lot of research contrary to what my assumption was. I have seen pictures of white vest and black tie with tails, white vest and white tie with tuxedos, black vest and tie with tails on gentlemen who would never be mistaken for servants and all other permutations. The research they have found is secondary, meaning drawings from the period rather than actual photographs. Have I been wrong all these years? Also, it was my understanding that tuxedos were not considered proper in the presence of ladies. Tails were required for those occasions, although I do understand that this convention gradually faded away. Can someone elucidate me? Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 11:00:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HF0qMP027304 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:00:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HF0iwQ011404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:00:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HF05hD000671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HF04BX029039; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9HExwv3028769 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Oct 2007 14:59:49 -0000 Received: from p548E4C52.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [84.142.76.82] by mail.gmx.net (mp047) with SMTP; 17 Oct 2007 16:59:49 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/6l0QFSFr6858XyzlkijW9iK1WSvB7lSJvbDY69/ PODvRxIelPuLSD X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:00:43 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Where to go to in Copenhagen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a127a949-0361-418f-a0f2-21e2428d5864 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4716239C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you so much for your recommendations, Hanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 12:09:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HG9X1a028751 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:09:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HG9QEc029673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:09:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HG8FfZ015566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HG8900026439; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HG7wlW026049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.78.235] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IiBQt-0002OB-Lx for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:07:44 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071017170233.03464e68@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:07:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> References: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gloves in the 18th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 901a5dc8-9b48-4c13-aebb-6cea52763d57 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471633B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 14:03:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HI3jJQ002430 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:03:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HI3b0S025281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:03:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HI2K68052261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HI2D7s096417; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HI1pSY095808 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:01:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so315331ugd for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:01:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=W/XgTdrm6tcXqhsTi1OMJh4tRhxSxxljtWyxs4IXtsc=; b=b+ByXh7axZczHSbsW7y4CqSHk7Ssgif0NL12o4eYxgtd5dxN+42R7ftJJgRTaMe4KPWuulW9RafMg26uiUxNpuvjR+Idh20+4nDLbmycZ/fejNshKCOe7rFkUYFyuYeBdXcOorjZrR+21+sKN5nVjIRapE59WFLgW+4hNK9yrgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=ZG/Nplm0EpAkQJjitKxjG70OGR9zmwvtvvPuyIPBNjPfZTJ5d+rm3pVE4CM0Suk8UaHcK0mWQIhf1hrTnA+mGHzGYvUNi90C3uCSGwO8iXyG/9uiAnddNA93xRGjJBmd33w2GtlEP9xivntFryK/K5DkiEjXDY0yBCAnvHUb8iE= Received: by 10.142.12.14 with SMTP id 14mr2696540wfl.1192644102883; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.51.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm7988666wrs.2007.10.17.11.01.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071017170233.03464e68@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071017170233.03464e68@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gloves in the 18th century Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgQ2CFvNPBt1tzkSxOm61mj1m87fwAA8jbw Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47164e05.0313360a.6261.ffffd9e3@mx.google.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 301ed46b-810d-46ba-8a9a-1f351eec8dc9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47164E79.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I will look at my copy of that, you do mean the Eunis Close book in the Batsford series, yes? Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:08 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Gloves in the 18th century When asked by a customer I was unable to answer her question, in spite of having looked at various fashion plates of the late 18th century (1770's). The one book I don't have in the Batsford series of "Gloves/Shawls/Shoes/Bags" is of course gloves. Can anyone tell me if ladies wore gloves when dancing - we are talking high status, without being at court. If you have written or text proof I would really appreciate a pointer in that direction, as the fashion plates are not really helpful. They show them being worn with court dress and with full dress, but I cannot find anything that says "Ball dress!) Thanks for any help. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 14:12:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HICOnq002549 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HICHO6014595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:12:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HIBv45056659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HIBmXS011759; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9HIBe0f011370 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96079 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2007 18:11:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZUUgV0gIX9OTkxRVxtBpdcY7ueBvzNG6O+xYciKutAxuTzfh5hRBCrq2iRKUWYcczMxJ8YOh86dxbea4XVX5U6BwIoaC6J4sgrbHhgjiNZkCWl/Ftg4XXJhE59UBIlSO3b7SzVByrNvSMJtxOYuCo8QGUvcJtXKd/30PmW1Rtps=; X-YMail-OSG: w7ywCBMVM1neo9j2AHLSb4ux.xYMPalEiBFwLJ5aHn6.8XY5w9tSsaa01.yD9PQTZHPGpoDcoODzbxs2CSagiJLe2N.O1_FjVgFuCdW6lyON.K7ZRPc- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:11:32 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] cutting for all X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90bb6cf8-f4ce-4389-8e31-3ba5b2ce1961 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47165081.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 14:23:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HIN5cs002873 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:23:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HIMvrI015808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:23:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HIMRwX059553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:22:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HIMKFP026620; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HILTUp025221 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.176]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071017182108.ISSO19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:21:08 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.176]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071017182108.KKH19578.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:21:08 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:20:03 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where to go to in Copenhagen In-Reply-To: <200710171801.l9HI168O094584@net.indra.com> References: <200710171801.l9HI168O094584@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20071017182108.KKH19578.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 816bbeba-e6c3-48cb-80eb-8306a389da40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47165301.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On display last year at the Danish National=20 Historical Museum, there were some lovely copes=20 and embroidery, some tapestries, "Eric of=20 Pommerania's" belt (probably actually a woman's),=20 some nice medieval shoes and pattens and some of=20 the Greenland finds. I do not remember seeing the gloves. The Viking and earlier parts of the collection=20 were closed. They will reopen next year. We did not have a lot of time in Copenhagen=20 (spent more over on Jutland) due to a foul-up on=20 flights by AA, but we will be going back in the=20 next couple of years (possibly next year for NESAT). Beth At 01:01 PM 10/17/2007, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:00:30 -0500 >From: "Chiara Francesca" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where to go to in Copenhagen >To: "'Historical Costume'" >Message-ID: <471631c8.4301360a.0569.ffffaa95@mx.google.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > >Ooo ... well, start here ... >http://www.world66.com/europe/denmark/copenhagen/museums > >But if you go to Nationalmuseet, Danmarks Middelalder og Ren=E6ssance, in >Copenhagen please take pictures of the gloves that are there for me!! :D > >If they are not on display ask if you can be allowed to see them for a >researcher in the US. > >They found a bunch of them in the moats that were filled in. They speculate >that the moats were filled in around 1625 so the gloves they found there >could be from pre 1600. But I gotta see them to really date them= accurately. >:) > >Thanks! >Chiara Francesca > > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann > >Greetings, > >I am going on a three-day trip to Copenhagen next week. Which museums >are the most interesting for costumes and textiles and are there >shops that are a must-see? I am especially interested in everything >related to the middle ages, but I like all other costumes as well. > >Thank you so much for your recommendations, > >Hanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 14:24:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HIOGLn002910 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:24:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HIO8Xx016672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HINbpP060106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HIMt0Z027498; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HIM0Jc025972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.78.235] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IiDWb-0007Fy-Rp for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:21:46 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071017192031.03462488@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:21:40 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gloves in the 18th century In-Reply-To: <47164e05.0313360a.6261.ffffd9e3@mx.google.com> References: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071017170233.03464e68@suziclarke.co.uk> <47164e05.0313360a.6261.ffffd9e3@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64ab9451-281c-41ba-8741-688bae566eed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47165348.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:01 17/10/2007, you wrote: >I will look at my copy of that, you do mean the Eunis Close book in the >Batsford series, yes? > >Chiara Francesca > > I think so - as I don't have it I don't actually know!! (But I have your nice little book on glove making - very helpful for the making side.) Suzi >When asked by a customer I was unable to answer her question, in >spite of having looked at various fashion plates of the late 18th >century (1770's). The one book I don't have in the Batsford series of >"Gloves/Shawls/Shoes/Bags" is of course gloves. Can anyone tell me if >ladies wore gloves when dancing - we are talking high status, without >being at court. If you have written or text proof I would really >appreciate a pointer in that direction, as the fashion plates are not >really helpful. They show them being worn with court dress and with >full dress, but I cannot find anything that says "Ball dress!) > >Thanks for any help. > >Suzi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 15:13:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HJDiF0004242 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:13:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HJDYYh020424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:13:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HJD8fV077134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HJD1Kf006119; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9HJCjEq005463 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunny_buchler@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 2897 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2007 19:12:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=OtVV8pCK+/QE2DhCHzYyLwL/CReT5J+dTEu6V9N2XImBtLdQdvYgvsjMNgWcxsxNqojPSQAjs7VwdPGrDBzt5pUlZzUXHsJiDLLPXHcT9/2kvrpNlsnjn0uS3qTsllsfECFkxQB1pKukN50PZ8fdhED5hvx0h5tUy1sW2pEyWcU=; X-YMail-OSG: kJKClLEVM1nfjz3kQRwpgoblT6a_bOMU61DwPJYgUPcZyksC4kCt3.RZss5ZI5iV0S6vTfKw7w-- Received: from [162.119.240.100] by web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:12:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunshine Buchler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <606731.2262.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b340ed2-fe30-4e18-8ea6-a4fec6b6a6eb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47165EDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > My students are designing a production of "Dracula" (1897) and are requir= ed =0A> to do research and designs for the costumes. There has been a lot= of =0A> discussion of vest colors and appropriate coats for various occas= ions. I learned =0A> (Esquire Book of Men's Clothing, mostly) that the ru= le of thumb is white tie =0A> and vest with tails, black tie and vest with= tux. A man in black tie and tails =0A> would be a servant ie butler or w= aiter. So my students have found a lot of =0A> research contrary to what = my assumption was. I have seen pictures of white =0A> vest and black tie = with tails, white vest and white tie with tuxedos, black =0A> vest and tie= with tails on gentlemen who would never be mistaken for servants =0A> and= all other permutations. The research they have found is secondary, =0A> = meaning drawings from the period rather than actual photographs. Have I b= een wrong =0A> all these years? Also, it was my understanding that tuxedo= s were not =0A> considered proper in the presence of ladies. Tails were r= equired for those =0A> occasions, although I do understand that this conve= ntion gradually faded away. Can =0A> someone elucidate me?=0A=0ACheck out = Farid Chenoune's A History of Men's Fashion. I believe (but it's been many = years since I looked at this reasarch) that it's just around the turn of th= e century (so 1897 counts :-) ) that the tux moved from informal wear to be= ing accecptable evening wear (although still not de rigeur for extreamly fo= rmal occasions). I'd recomenend Sarah Levitt's Fashion in Photographs 1880-= 1900 for photos of all different levels of formality for both upper-class E= nglish men and women.=0A=0ASorry, I'm not at home, so I can't access my lib= rary for the answers m'self :-S =0AHope this helps!=0A -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 15:13:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HJDjCn004245 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:13:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HJDb1v021356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:13:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HJCPXI076690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HJCKb6004777; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hs-out-2021.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HJC5lq004330 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2021.google.com with SMTP id x43so549711hsb for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=c77A+4hK7+cingVsJVn01+uYxI1TvqeBjDBxUvTcXJw=; b=rtB5JI/TvdSqr0ytNUqJvUzjiHdP4HPW9LfizpO2ArCfIdbEF/ICuUinPgdxClalBiWZWUhWYRTT2LXrQzVjYAza9Iwdov1YVaxgw+Vd36x9RWQRuWIYwKpkUUOOb/mZit6EBptqlebURp/TyWG6qULIq/kY2AuNpRpCtpwlYAY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GKZl9pGWyPeDTV/+y077aiOohFw+LI3RsbHC7pAcbf9DgIB8fScMkWxC7mWjrXQ4VdvrTbvz/0fZACxnRpMqOczd3YZdvre1yNDTfdgBSYagyoGeMDeUf3hyzkgB1J3PByT+c0RjSjhQVpSUVaklnfT+rLaPKdYMN7r0Fe7c23I= Received: by 10.90.105.19 with SMTP id d19mr13240336agc.1192648318468; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.6 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070710171211i51135160q670ae89b045f1bcd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:11:58 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 430d020f-7be7-49a6-b687-a88e1e47ae2a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47165EE2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a page of information on 1890s men's evening attire that may be helpful, it has no photographs (yet) but it has original period illustrations: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1890_men.html Also our dance group's 1890s costume page has a description of men's evening attire at the bottom of this page: http://www.vintagedancers.org/costume_1890.html Some general guidelines: In the 1890s the tuxedo was very new, and considered as more informal evening wear. With tails, white ties seem to be pretty much universal, but both white and black vests are seen, and they are usually cut fairly low. Cummerbunds were not yet in fashion. Collars are generally stand-up collars though occasionally a fold-over (or very early wing tip) collars are seen, though they are pretty rare. Vest waistlines were not yet pointed, and ideally should not protrude below the bottom of the tailcoat front. This requires higher waistlines on the trousers, closer to the natural waist than modern fashions, for proper coverage (one of the hardest details to reproduce using modern trousers, and modern men's ideas of where their waists actually are:~). Katy On 10/17/07, Cheryldee@aol.com wrote: > My students are designing a production of "Dracula" (1897) and are required > to do research and designs for the costumes. There has been a lot of > discussion of vest colors and appropriate coats for various occasions. I learned > (Esquire Book of Men's Clothing, mostly) that the rule of thumb is white tie > and vest with tails, black tie and vest with tux. A man in black tie and tails > would be a servant ie butler or waiter. So my students have found a lot of > research contrary to what my assumption was. I have seen pictures of white > vest and black tie with tails, white vest and white tie with tuxedos, black > vest and tie with tails on gentlemen who would never be mistaken for servants > and all other permutations. The research they have found is secondary, > meaning drawings from the period rather than actual photographs. Have I been wrong > all these years? Also, it was my understanding that tuxedos were not > considered proper in the presence of ladies. Tails were required for those > occasions, although I do understand that this convention gradually faded away. Can > someone elucidate me? > > Cheryl Odom > College of Santa Fe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 17:44:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HLiAro008871 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:44:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HLi2EW000668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:44:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HLgw3b018316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HLgqfq025081; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.225.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HLgMTn024455 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20071017214217b1300b47f4e>; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:42:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] cutting for all Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:21:29 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a5776cf-6440-400f-bbd9-1450733cca72 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47168223.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Isn't Kevin on this list? Maybe not. I know his name from theatre. I heard him speak at a USITT conference several years ago. He was quite knowledgeable. I would be interested in reading this book. Sylrog On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Does anyone know anything about this book? > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0809320061/thecostumersmani > > Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 18:29:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HMTaxS010234 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:29:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9HMTTTB030036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:29:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9HMSu7B025106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HMSs1I081348; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9HMSoqt081166 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37018 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2007 22:28:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sw7aeaXBEKyT4jN8Cm0TQJ6K2t19Sb80uzdqaFws5rFTvrhr6YhuBqentJJmP4Jx4Nc0pVjSmSZ+O0mvebDMP3+l3veA7kKIOMLro2Lv4sdSH6GMU8kvG6ize9scdITEyMbR+VVqbDMsvMeqFuPEaTJpk6afKlMXPNFWqr6+Et0=; X-YMail-OSG: zVkDmJEVM1lclzO2GCNp4HgOUXtd5pplCZIQ6wXmQMkSpQrv8tOGD7xWhH_wsZMkMnG_UZPUVIE097nMh0ucVANNlh2q9MgdxdyLtw3cJNUjrdWk5erbtDmPOtM- Received: from [80.7.151.102] by web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:28:44 BST Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:28:44 +0100 (BST) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to go to in Copenhagen To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <547104.36525.qm@web26510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 820a54da-a331-4c63-a8a4-37820688e846 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47168CC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I second the suggestion for the National Museum. If you're interested in replica medieval and viking age jewellery, there are Museum Kopi Smykker (http://www.museum-jewelry.dk/default.asp) in Grønnegade, a stone's throw from Strøget/Kongens Nytorv, and Raudi, in Laederstrade 31, parallel to Strøget. If you have time, I'd also recommend taking the train to Sweden, to the Kulturen museum in Lund (http://www.kulturen.com) which has a great medieval exhibition. Medieval eccleastical textiles* are found in the Lunds Universitets Historiska Museum (http://www.luhm.lu.se/). The cathedral is also nice. You can e-mail me privately if you want non-textile tips for the region. *: http://www.luhm.lu.se/Skrud%20eng.html /Lena --- Hanna Zickermann wrote: > Greetings, > > I am going on a three-day trip to Copenhagen next > week. Which museums > are the most interesting for costumes and textiles > and are there > shops that are a must-see? I am especially > interested in everything > related to the middle ages, but I like all other > costumes as well. > > Thank you so much for your recommendations, > > Hanna > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! 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Margo Anderson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 20:14:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0EAV5012038 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:14:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I0E2qC017489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:14:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I0DV5J040757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:13:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0DUhh094010; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [216.148.227.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HFBkvF045156 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20071017151140m1500a0crie>; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:11:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8C9DEE35F5C1CC0-B5C-2168@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9DEE35F5C1CC0-B5C-2168@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:11:40 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 40271c5c-db8a-47a7-9d9f-75a1fd62ee4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4716A54A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I didn't thing tuxedos came in for evening wear until about the 1920s. They look wrong to me for 1890s. Sylrog On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:44 AM, annbwass@aol.com wrote: > I think Miss Manners has covered the evolution of tails and the > tuxedo--try one of her earlier etiquette books.? Tuxedos were > definitely "informal" when first developed, so your characters should > probably be wearing tails.? I think the white tie and tails had been > codified by then, to include the starched front shirt and white pique > waistcoat, but I could be wrong. > > Ann Wass > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheryldee@aol.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:32 am > Subject: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests > > > > My students are designing a production of "Dracula" (1897) and are > required > to do research and designs for the costumes. There has been a lot of > discussion of vest colors and appropriate coats for various occasions. > I > learned > (Esquire Book of Men's Clothing, mostly) that the rule of thumb is > white tie > and vest with tails, black tie and vest with tux. A man in black tie > and tails > > would be a servant ie butler or waiter. So my students have found a > lot of > research contrary to what my assumption was. I have seen pictures of > white > vest and black tie with tails, white vest and white tie with tuxedos, > black > vest and tie with tails on gentlemen who would never be mistaken for > servants > and all other permutations. The research they have found is > secondary, > meaning drawings from the period rather than actual photographs. > Have I been > wrong > all these years? Also, it was my understanding that tuxedos were not > considered proper in the presence of ladies. Tails were required for > those > occasions, although I do understand that this convention gradually > faded away. > Can > someone elucidate me? > > Cheryl Odom > College of Santa Fe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Email and AIM finally together. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ooo ... well, start here ... http://www.world66.com/europe/denmark/copenhagen/museums But if you go to Nationalmuseet, Danmarks Middelalder og Ren=E6ssance, = in Copenhagen please take pictures of the gloves that are there for me!! :D If they are not on display ask if you can be allowed to see them for a researcher in the US. They found a bunch of them in the moats that were filled in. They = speculate that the moats were filled in around 1625 so the gloves they found there could be from pre 1600. But I gotta see them to really date them = accurately. :) Thanks! Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Where to go to in Copenhagen Greetings, I am going on a three-day trip to Copenhagen next week. Which museums=20 are the most interesting for costumes and textiles and are there=20 shops that are a must-see? I am especially interested in everything=20 related to the middle ages, but I like all other costumes as well. Thank you so much for your recommendations, Hanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 20:15:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0FDCx012064 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I0F5Up009723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I0EkWe041115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:14:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0EkEw095527; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:14:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HIgxFu057088 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071017184258.BQSB3948.fep32.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:42:58 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.98]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071017184122.MLRZ13366.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:41:22 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c810ed$8854ede0$62e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where to go to in Copenhagen Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:42:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.98] at Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:41:21 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e6f6433-041f-41b1-91e2-e7327c2590d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4716A589.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you are mostly interrested in the medieval period, you should go to the Nationalmuseet where they have the Greenland find clothes on wiev. Also a trip to the Bymuseet, the (city museum) has a lot of things from medieval Copenhagen. Museum of decorative arts is very nice with old textiles and also Rosenborg Castle is worth a visit. Rosenborg was build early 1600 and has manny beautifull interriors. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hanna Zickermann" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] Where to go to in Copenhagen > Greetings, > > I am going on a three-day trip to Copenhagen next week. Which museums are > the most interesting for costumes and textiles and are there shops that > are a must-see? I am especially interested in everything related to the > middle ages, but I like all other costumes as well. > > Thank you so much for your recommendations, > > Hanna > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 20:15:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0FtZ9012073 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I0FleI023018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I0FXxr041253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0FWaA096373; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HJHQAT013657 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:17:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z25so644968ele for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:17:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=L6Vx0/Jq9qJpYx7FNjO1csQ36PLiVu+f0LVPdGvPDGE=; b=oCv2YfkBT6FbyQkivzfFxyXmacm7gBR38jW7ztK2xl9KHWdxEXL40ziRAv7o335ezQQ0AYNARrJuVX57a78masd2YZUeJP/CPPRPspnCY3rSYLJylEHmExWM9NWuBVmuNB8KhSCgwo1kq1eOEJwKC/j68Dmyh/m4Qu0tg+EWRm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=Vy1qjBQI/RSwmrx3+aYaVd085YpMpMuiTufYNKc2iAG6BO7gKGVBS4uERlijlmHUZGEjkjvAedf7HLlFYvz+qGXm+IQV4EsRee1OYIlrcyN8SdiLhTZyLW/pmAvYs1bE0w6Yw1RaDyEBOGXJL6fzZf4pPCseuLKOT1IVRYXKtOY= Received: by 10.142.212.19 with SMTP id k19mr2755232wfg.1192648645567; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.51.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm9234766wri.2007.10.17.12.17.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071017170233.03464e68@suziclarke.co.uk> <47164e05.0313360a.6261.ffffd9e3@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071017192031.03462488@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071017192031.03462488@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gloves in the 18th century Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:17:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgQ6vnVNkWk8I6bTdStnKCaVbhV1QABXqZA Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47165fc4.2d09360a.75d7.68dd@mx.google.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: da81e9b7-a163-410b-bb4b-92a6f654eced X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4716A5B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you! Always nice to hear feedback on my booklet. :D I will read the other tonight and get back to you when I get home from work. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gloves in the 18th century At 19:01 17/10/2007, you wrote: >I will look at my copy of that, you do mean the Eunis Close book in the >Batsford series, yes? > >Chiara Francesca > > I think so - as I don't have it I don't actually know!! (But I have your nice little book on glove making - very helpful for the making side.) Suzi >When asked by a customer I was unable to answer her question, in >spite of having looked at various fashion plates of the late 18th >century (1770's). The one book I don't have in the Batsford series of >"Gloves/Shawls/Shoes/Bags" is of course gloves. Can anyone tell me if >ladies wore gloves when dancing - we are talking high status, without >being at court. If you have written or text proof I would really >appreciate a pointer in that direction, as the fashion plates are not >really helpful. They show them being worn with court dress and with >full dress, but I cannot find anything that says "Ball dress!) > >Thanks for any help. > >Suzi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 20:16:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0GeUg012082 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:16:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I0GXkk010553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:16:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I0GGtN041357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0GFJg097183; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rn-out-0102.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.189]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HKjrg1046671 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id e11so408409rng for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:45:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=IlnZO8/6rXxi4F3m46iCeSGhoCnCu/YuN+zxHAZFEVU=; b=McPRFCyDSAAnAjNr9zUIV33bhsM9x77zPK3v6ITrggfm2GeiSPNt/azL/DiTvZbyM2pIbn66L1VhqXlv/etefUK1ZgbYnmO2VJPHWXTEFuZhj9O2NWdWYV5m+uju9j49CaYAhaHs5Og68DKQxIOHX2ba6KHuFlVXAyZDDc82xCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aJeT+psZyjTMSiv8iVEkLi1NF58Lw2rXH2jsU19sVGJzniGbAxJ+dgem2G0fYPS6LSipCAflAXyYpFGNIV2VGXlXB32IEX6aL0kFrApR8c87KGvfVk8IABarzD5/YHaKoC45/4I6i6ir6iz4JdZ0DJEHcGtt3C0zvl3zRQre6Yk= Received: by 10.142.142.16 with SMTP id p16mr2830773wfd.1192653949497; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:45:49 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tux, tails and vests X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7eaf3a6-1fd7-4bbb-9879-afbcf76eac1d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4716A5E1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cheryl, I've fretted about this before with unsatisfactory results. My latest treasure trove to dig in, and this is for a period later than yours, is the LOC archive of dance manuals www.loc.gov. Several of them have photos of famous dance teachers in their most formal evening wear. I'm interested in the ragtime dance craze just prior to WWI. I'm also interested in mens' wear for the 1920s dance & by the 20s, well things had changed, but all that's outside your era of interest. Anyway, try the LOC dance manuals. I havent been looking in the 1890s books. Also, RLShep has a large catalog of reprints of turn of the previous century tailor's manuals. I'd believe the writing of an 1890s tailor over Esquire magazine. While both are motivated to sell clothes, at least the guy from 1890 was there at the time of interest. 'Luck! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com My students are designing a production of "Dracula" (1897) and are required to do research and designs for the costumes. There has been a lot of discussion of vest colors and appropriate coats for various occasions. I learned (Esquire Book of Men's Clothing, mostly) that the rule of thumb is white tie and vest with tails, black tie and vest with tux. A man in black tie and tails would be a servant ie butler or waiter. So my students have found a lot of research contrary to what my assumption was. I have seen pictures of white vest and black tie with tails, white vest and white tie with tuxedos, black vest and tie with tails on gentlemen who would never be mistaken for servants and all other permutations. The research they have found is secondary, meaning drawings from the period rather than actual photographs. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 20:19:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0Jc1V012134 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:19:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I0JUI5019101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:19:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I0JDQJ041816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0JChg000188; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I03SfQ082777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (71-214-251-252.desm.qwest.net [71.214.251.252]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I03QNp019351 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:03:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200710172144.l9HLi2gb026661@net.indra.com> References: <200710172144.l9HLi2gb026661@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <79317C16-7A8A-4C16-AB50-DB5904F1060C@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] cutting for all Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:03:25 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4545/Wed Oct 17 15:05:57 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e848440-b771-4088-bcc5-31802190b632 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4716A692.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's a book about books [and journals, and patterns] -- aside from his introduction, I imagine it's mainly an annotated bibliography. Useful for directing further research... but I didn't get the impression that it's a cutter's manual. It would be a good purchase for a library; whether Zuzana would find it useful is another question since it covers "American, English, and other". ... I just looked it up in my library's catalog. We own a copy! And I'd never paid any attention. I'll post a review tomorrow [I'm at home now]. Suzanne On Oct 17, 2007, at 4:44 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Isn't Kevin on this list? Maybe not. I know his name from > theatre. I heard him speak at a USITT conference several years > ago. He was quite knowledgeable. I would be interested in reading > this book. > > Sylrog > > On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > >> Does anyone know anything about this book? >> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0809320061/thecostumersmani >> >> Zuzana >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 20:34:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0Y5uT012342 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:34:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I0XvnX023560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I0XVCh043556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0XUC5013612; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0XQ7S013540 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C09700049 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:30:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:30:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <8C9DEE35F5C1CC0-B5C-2168@webmail-md06.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710172030.35818.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3956899f-c93e-4a9b-b36d-bce64359e2f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4716A9F6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wednesday 17 October 2007, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I didn't thing tuxedos came in for evening wear until about the 1920s. > They look wrong to me for 1890s. Ann's right; tuxedos were originally a kind of informal wear; they did not become formal wear until the 1920s. Unfortunately, I don't remember enough to be more detailed than that. -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 20:52:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0qi1D012621 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:52:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I0qaud030762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:52:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I0pSlj045259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0pPUA029750; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9I0pL1A029634 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76419 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2007 00:51:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=D3iOUaqg2q7vYRlNr0gDU/vjsRY79X3IVfRBH90gaGxG36U0FWU9jqTlyQ3kIh7CqGLMoO43Ys0tAQMowrdNYJP1hd7niKOF3aqUDa5ZcG8F3lz7nOijN9a3T17uKGM+NwYu77E85PUk81aEMcbGNcbtoEFXk/4BjivVZuIvPtQ=; X-YMail-OSG: GIqt6qAVM1lKPt24NqFqvKw6AwUGMlysMmXKFDKEgLmdGHXpicsRluKGeJ.vaQNlFF7eUKdURq.I8gnW3TlV2P3GvSYv2l4A5rIjMY93uWBcpwz9ZjI- Received: from [69.182.134.136] by web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:51:16 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071017170233.03464e68@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <420199.75459.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gloves in the 18th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51a804ee-c89f-428d-a962-b27d6ee916ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4716AE54.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I could tell you for nineteenth century, but not earlier. (yes.) Check out the dance manual link that someone recently posted on the Library of Congress site--I remember looking there at 17th and 19th century manuals, so perhaps they had some from the 18th as well. Ann in CT --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > Can anyone tell me if > ladies wore gloves when dancing - we are talking > high status, without > being at court. If you have written or text proof I > would really > appreciate a pointer in that direction, as the > fashion plates are not > really helpful. They show them being worn with court > dress and with > full dress, but I cannot find anything that says > "Ball dress!) > > Suzi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 22:22:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I2MNBW015237 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:22:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I2MGx6002915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:22:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I2LFpd054899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I2LCq1011071; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:21:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao04.charter.net (mtao04.charter.net [209.225.8.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I2L97O010936 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catdevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mtao04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071018022100.OVWG23660.mtao04.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:21:00 -0400 Received: from [24.205.20.149] by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071018022100.FZLW14098.aarprv06.charter.net@[24.205.20.149]> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4716C311.9040904@alleycatscratch.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:21:05 -0700 From: Cat Devereaux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cutting for all References: <200710180018.l9I0IG4Y099069@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710180018.l9I0IG4Y099069@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d9b6cc3-9132-4b90-83fe-8d0f1d92096a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4716C358.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0809320061/thecostumersmani >>I would be interested in reading this book. Picked this up years ago at the Smithsonian, so the "review" will have lots of dust on the memory... It's not something that is read. It is literally lists and lists of sources on where the information is. It would help you locate obscure sources if you're into extreme research.... or you needed complete situations on books and sources that you didn't have at your fingertips (like you're xeroxed from old book years ago and lost the full cites) This is just IMHO, and though a cobwebbed memory. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 22:38:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I2cIPN015595 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:38:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I2cA2B008708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I2bg7F056747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I2bfjB025764; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I2bbHR025650 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c08.2550addd (30739) for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:37:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f09213dc-fb12-47cb-a6a3-b2cbf8c64b0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4716C712.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 In a message dated 10/17/2007 8:34:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 cathy@thyrsus.com writes: Ann's right; tuxedos were originally a kind of informal wear; they did not=20= =20 become formal wear until the 1920s. Unfortunately, I don't remember enoug= h=20 to be more detailed than that. ************** =20 This is what I remember too. And in the teens you might see a real mix, the=20= =20 older men in older styles, the young men in tuxes. =20 Here is what it says on "Definitions of the clothing & Textile industry:" =20 =20 The American name tuxedo is taken from Tuxedo Park, New York, a private clu= b=20 of country houses founded by Pierre Lorillard, the tobacco heir. (The town=20 of Tuxedo and Tuxedo Park themselves were named by the Lenni-Lenape Indians= ,=20 who called the largest lake in the area tucseto, meaning either place of th= e=20 bear or clear flowing water.) =20 Traditionally, the first Autumn Ball, held at the Tuxedo Club in October =20 1886, marked the official first American appearance of the English dinner =20 jacket, which was favored by the fast sporting crowd round the Prince of Wal= es, who=20 liked to wear a "Cowes" jacket, somewhat like a formal mess jacket, first at= =20 dinner aboard his yacht during the regattas held at _Cowes_=20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowes) , and then later at other evening ente= rtainments, though=20 never in London. The original single- breasted model was simply a tailcoat=20 without a tail, worn with a white piqu=E9 vest as would be worn with a tail= coat,=20 then later with a black vest ensuite with the jacket and trousers.=20 At the 1886 Tuxedo Park Autumn Ball, Pierre Lorillard's young son Griswold =20 Lorillard and his friends startled guests, all in white tie and tailcoats, b= y =20 wearing the new English dinner jackets, with scarlet evening vests. The=20 tailless coats were similar in cut to hunting pinks worn in daytime at foxh= unting=20 meets. When after 1889, gentlemen in "tuxedos" were even admitted to the Dr= ess=20 Circle at the new Metropolitan Opera, the success of the new fashion was=20 made.=20 =20 =20 =20 A Tuxedo Park insider recalls a different story of the Tuxedo Park=20 introduction of black tie, told him in the 1920s by Grenville Kane, the las= t founding=20 member of the Tuxedo Club. Kane remembered that it had been James Brown=20 Potter who, after staying with the Prince of Wales at Sandringham in the su= mmer of=20 1886, brought back the new fashion to Tuxedo and introduced it to the=20 members of the club =20 The American upper classes now generally prefer the terms "black tie" or =20 "dinner jacket" to "tuxedo", which is considered slightly vulgar.=20 Early evening clothes were uniformly black. The Duke of Windsor, when Prince= =20 of Wales, introduced midnight blue as an appropriate color, and even made th= e=20 double-breasted dinner jacket acceptable.=20 The waist sash called cummerbund (or cumberbund) was borrowed after World=20 War I, from military dress in British _India_=20 (http://www.apparelsearch.com/World_Clothing_Industry/India/india.htm) . ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 17 22:46:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I2kLqH015801 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:46:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I2kDVU024745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:46:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I0F7ls041146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:15:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I0F6VB095856; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9HImV8E065780 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071017184822.BCWS3066.fep35.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:48:22 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.98]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071017184822.JVAW11474.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:48:22 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c810ee$497367e0$62e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200710171500.l9HExwv3028769@net.indra.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071017170233.03464e68@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves in the 18th century Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:48:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.63.231.98] at Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:48:21 +0200 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 199e39f9-2c43-484d-a911-34deca4c52cb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4716C8F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] Gloves in the 18th century > > > When asked by a customer I was unable to answer her question, in spite of > having looked at various fashion plates of the late 18th century (1770's). > The one book I don't have in the Batsford series of > "Gloves/Shawls/Shoes/Bags" is of course gloves. Can anyone tell me if > ladies wore gloves when dancing - we are talking high status, without > being at court. If you have written or text proof I would really > appreciate a pointer in that direction, as the fashion plates are not > really helpful. They show them being worn with court dress and with full > dress, but I cannot find anything that says "Ball dress!) > > Thanks for any help. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 03:16:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I7GCVC015534 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:16:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I7FwuH027884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:16:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I7ElYA090497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:14:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I7Egad062677; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I7Edtr062568 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071018071432.CXKM26633.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:14:32 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.213]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 1jEZ1Y00D4cxKws0000000; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:14:34 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <009201c81156$88c28c10$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgRGINPjPIPco0VQMawe6mTUyUUuwAPdoug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 383e6586-aa92-4f44-9e5a-73ee55b977e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4717082E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this image: http:// commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer this question: Is there a round button at the center of the converging triangles on the black "box" on the back of her head? I think I see it, but I'm not sure. Thanks to anyone who can help! Margo Anderson _______________________________________________ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1075 - Release Date: 10/17/2007 9:38 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 03:19:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I7JuUe015808 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:19:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9I7Jmau028714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:19:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9I7JOOQ091517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I7JNKD067229; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9I7JKgV067155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.24.221] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IiPf5-0007ec-PD for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:19:20 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018081104.03428cf0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:13:38 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image In-Reply-To: References: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82ecece1-1638-4815-b7f5-750cbd43e3cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47170914.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I can't get the image to show up, but when I made my gable hood for the Museum of London, I did not "see" a button." the shape of the "pleats" on the box were formed simply by taking a tuck cross wise - it is a bit lumpy where the pleats cross, and it certainly looked pretty accurate, according to the Holbein drawing. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 10:46:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IEkMmW023156 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:46:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IEkEH9007302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:46:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IEj5jT011619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IEj0CU091497; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:45:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IEiu0C091268 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c38.1e3fd329 (41811) for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:44:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07e26d82-7fe0-43aa-9d6b-c763acaf1d9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471771B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheryl Odom, poster of the original question ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 12:01:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IG1Va1025385 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:01:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IG1NMf019022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:01:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IG03ZX028793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IFxcad001422; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IFxUu0001063 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bf4.10ba6f3f (29673) for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:59:15 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47a265de-6192-4c06-8c04-f28b746d54b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47178353.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO AlbertCat, I lost track of this thread. Are you quoting _Cutting for All: The Sartorial Arts_, Wikipedia or something else? It's an interesting story & one I hadnt heard in any kind of depth before, tho I find myself in doubt give the anecdotal tales particularly those that dont agree. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests ************** This is what I remember too. And in the teens you might see a real mix, the older men in older styles, the young men in tuxes. Here is what it says on "Definitions of the clothing & Textile industry:" The American name tuxedo is taken from Tuxedo Park, New York, a private club of country houses founded by Pierre Lorillard, the tobacco heir. (The town of Tuxedo and Tuxedo Park themselves were named by the Lenni-Lenape Indians, who called the largest lake in the area tucseto, meaning either place of the bear or clear flowing water.)... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 14:41:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IIfv1K030466 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:41:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IIfcGg016583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:41:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IIfJt8058510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IIfDVR028308; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:41:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IIeiDQ027589 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so244709rvf for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:40:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=5mcdSlm/ZYCe8trBPcFIAZCQ+aDZAt+NU5XkHfp43OQ=; b=YOrLoCFd5XvZrRvUhJEhpEpwv7Q+SJocNkqX+8QKicN+0v6ySNlodpkjD2LeW+r/hHAxK146qRCqVb//tBmQRnxvTybbHM4ZIIXXqbxkHvtYlKQr9Luh5srwhsBmW8WLX5/TtDFQe8YpYt+Ms7lCkhSHn2Wjd4v2NKBCG9adGtA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=cL2xQAsz+W4ekUgEx5SPVxa+J7jcgWRsd4JVRE1D1nAKaemnD5T2h+j+OdFxNxRtvttYozI9ODE2usjZkb8BELPaPvoxeo53L1aMyrTA9eiv1OMLIJrJd1SlOPGuK7krxkCqHR+ER1RtD7eCuDYBAm13T2c5qIifGzZbsCqC93M= Received: by 10.141.70.18 with SMTP id x18mr488830rvk.1192732839873; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 37sm275527nzf.2007.10.18.11.40.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01c701c811b6$8dc0c500$7d00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071018081104.03428cf0@suziclarke.co.uk> <4717915A.1020207@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:41:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d29937c2-5b8e-4438-ac24-e911215eb515 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4717A8E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Looking at my copy of Holbein in England from the Tate, which has a decent but still too small image of this one, it looks like there's just not enough detail in the sketch itself to say for sure. There's definitely something there, but it's just a sort of a v-shape where the lines meet, with shadow around it suggesting something that sticks out a bit. It could be a lump where they meet, though that's not the shape that 4-finished-seams-meeting makes when I do it; it could be a button, though the sketch suggests a diamond-shaped ...whatever... and a self-fabric diamond-shaped button seems a bit odd. It could be a covering patch, but in the sketch the ...thingy... is pretty 3D, and seems to stick out further than a patch would. Sicne the British Museum (the sketch's home) makes it really difficult to link to database records: http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/advanced_search.aspx then search for and it'll be your only result. Click on the small & then the medium image, and it'll take you to a pretty decent enlargement. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 15:30:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJUn93031849 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:30:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IJUeWx027157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IJTaj1069428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:29:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJTSoP002258; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:29:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJTHrR001887 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cff.1a0310c6 (32914) for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:29:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ee45019-c14e-426e-b00c-188d90532f6a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4717B461.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/18/2007 2:28:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: I lost track of this thread. Are you quoting _Cutting for All: The Sartorial Arts_, ************* No. I just did a google of "Tuxedo"... or was it "Cummerbund, history"? anyway, it took me here: _http://www.apparelsearch.com/Definitions/Clothing/Tuxedo_black_tie_definition .htm_ (http://www.apparelsearch.com/Definitions/Clothing/Tuxedo_black_tie_definition.htm) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 15:55:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJt5F5032641 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:55:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IJsvp7001030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:55:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IJsTKT074093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJsP0J038869; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJsM8B038786 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so531011ugd for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:54:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=FevirxSli2z+plFSlbqhttgicbItyzUNEF1KkTFDbMA=; b=eLHzFOXvm8NmONlCQhg+oyjnKSP7bhKmIHaUO1c6kNWOJ7/IHn7aMGh0uFpSt3T9ESgB/K/VranRRladyg4djpJeJcYfOyS6l5M5K/nT2Idnc+m0/2eij0dxsqKXs1M9IkRqD32P/unu9THCc0Tp4PLDoUznTHaWYEi+Id6bFNY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Aza7DYZfLrF6Fxrzcbwv3WfSV3+2pBbv8GhRWRVwGWgP9eCa6klXurlvTPlHvUpPQuJ+1FqI+P5ukVnNLnVBGFDDHjdJgq0ao78l7TzW88+0aTu8Ku0Ci1mFKYOBhSe7fXGC0L4A0k5WNBii1mIHsouk80AhxEPx5pI1OCTMjyc= Received: by 10.142.88.20 with SMTP id l20mr433178wfb.1192737260343; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:54:20 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: re: [h-cost] muff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdd21114-2e19-41fe-baa6-b09ef9182b96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4717BA11.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Hi, >I made the muff wich i had embroidered. Now its done with initials two: >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/DSC03435m.jpg Bjarne, It's lovely, and you've made it with *my* initials. Wonderful! I only which I could touch it. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 15:56:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJufn6032693 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:56:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IJuXbO001967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:56:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IJu94D074394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJu6EX041259; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IJu1CD041033 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E08107750 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:55:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4717BA56.70703@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:56:06 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc1b96b9-7afc-4717-9228-8e1a17cc5360 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4717BA71.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You're welcome to it with my blessing, and I wish all participants a happy holiday of their choosing. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 16:14:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IKEGKZ001293 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:14:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IKE3sB021860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:14:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IHqITK049398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:52:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IHqFsZ059511; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9IH1Ub0088368 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:01:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 5592 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2007 17:01:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tb0KwSsVXM0V6QiQFC1Ua9J9FCjL+VKsdroaW+HxsTpVW5yc071W2roBGX9GTTVEHEwGZdbXFlaBiinjnP8SThm/gle5zcarWnID7dCGL8FgSQ8YCcbX5RW2EkJ7tlTspQU8TR5hpbWT60oJqYtjjOS3Bmg6iQh3AfJwjOou9wY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (waddiejean@90.207.7.200 with plain) by smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2007 17:01:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _XAybIkVM1nF5vku2o30hv_1Sb3oZm9qWKfYFOqUUtyNf726ZgIIlFWtUN6gLQvDjtv04MKtzXqSEQai1b_032Yl_eC0eCPOTvvuyzi95w-- Message-ID: <4717915A.1020207@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:01:14 +0100 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image References: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071018081104.03428cf0@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018081104.03428cf0@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: 809a6c95-0824-4c2c-a98c-83550c9d28d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4717BE8B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 00:47 18/10/2007, you wrote: >> I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this image: http:// >> commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg >> >> Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer >> this question: Is there a round button at the center of the >> converging triangles on the black "box" on the back of her head? I >> think I see it, but I'm not sure. >> >> Thanks to anyone who can help! > I can't get the image to show up, but when I made my gable hood for > the Museum of London, I did not "see" a button." the shape of the > "pleats" on the box were formed simply by taking a tuck cross wise - > it is a bit lumpy where the pleats cross, and it certainly looked > pretty accurate, according to the Holbein drawing. > > Suzi > Given the "front-back c1535" I'm guessing the picture is Holbein's drawing of an unknown English lady - try this link: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg If you take the url back to ...tudor/ there's a great portfolio of pictures on this site. I can see what you mean, but I never saw it as a button before you suggested it, just the product of four triangles meeting. There are so few pictures of the back of a gable hood, and with it always being black it's hard to confirm details! Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 16:47:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IKlf9R003275 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:47:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IKlXqb014140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:47:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IKkStd082342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IKkKmu008467; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9IKkAQL008193 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:46:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59983 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2007 20:46:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Gc6olcojgqAO8h82RUAtDEuifIGPJzsQSQieUMTtBK2Q1DgSvTQrnf36bHhAy6rw9GxhWpr3z8CtOu3Se+/teFrjAyi2/rRzhmcyFpqVeaWzZoO5A3F8wTXTceL6QyyLb++c6PK7xUN53jVzavqw0ExBm4KF6uufRVtAxTWXMGo=; X-YMail-OSG: 69uR.lMVM1mkXDtX3N7cRo3152IgnAQ09uUQwWKXw_ForRWZL11d2Pm4qu8_0n_ph4lYNH1KDlce9ZJuSjDJyYlve9JiaeVT9ABICJaDz97f5v0i8YM- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:46:05 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] cutting for all To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4716C311.9040904@alleycatscratch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <605677.57487.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1e3b7bf-7a34-4ba5-b915-22fbbe07befc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4717C665.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 18:33:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IMXovw006472 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:33:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IMXZKZ008144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:33:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IMW1K2099403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IMVr4t041607; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IMVoGJ041316 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HZ0AZSi8NBR7Ebb6CUDzIAT7kfoAuzPJHpQxCVZAR0eoxyl0o7MwhOh5gYx1tP2C; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.166.14.10] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Iidu3-0008Tm-L5 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: <011201c811d6$b76c49e0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:32:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd481eca1fa131ef205bba2c6356c5b46612c9b5e52464f59f68350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.166.14.10 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tasha Tudor collection X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e97573c1-b926-4eb7-9c8e-ea267ab4d81a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4717DF3F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 18:55:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IMt7s0006959 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:55:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9IMsxYZ017804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:55:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9IMrGDP002092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:53:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IMrExH067106; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:53:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9IMrBWP066948 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d3e.163ec960 (14457) for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:53:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:53:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 037dd92d-ecd5-4362-b1ca-75b37538e4c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4717E443.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 20:42:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0gX0F009806 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:42:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J0gPfP005602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:42:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J0fMXp013737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0fBBM084236; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ILDwgr044392 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (202-78-152-208.cable.telstraclear.net [202.78.152.208]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JQ40089DLN9PP30@smtp4.clear.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:13:57 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:14:31 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image In-reply-to: <4717915A.1020207@yahoo.co.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4717CCB7.3050703@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071018081104.03428cf0@suziclarke.co.uk> <4717915A.1020207@yahoo.co.uk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26bc4916-a956-421b-93cc-ab3f2befef68 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4717FD71.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 20:43:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0hBah009840 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:43:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J0h2rs030710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:43:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J0gN1H013940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0gMDp085591; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9IMoCdr063554 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:50:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200710182250.l9IMoCdr063554@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 30237 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2007 15:50:12 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29810, pid: 30123, t: 15.3211s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2007 15:49:56 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:45:45 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Denver Fabrics Newsletter - 10/16/07 - Great New Deals X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ef8e9fd-82ec-444b-94b8-4e762402990c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4717FD97.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here's the latest from the Denver Fabrics=20 liquidation sale. I hope this is intelligible when it arrives. 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Please let us know of any=20 > questions or concerns that you have. > >Denver Fabrics takes your security very=20 >seriously. We use only the most trusted services=20 >to ensure that your information is never=20 >vulnerable to hackers or other malicious=20 >attacks. In addition, we promise to never share=20 >or sell your information to anyone, for any=20 >reason. Go to our security questions page for=20 >more info -=20 >here > > > email: >=20 >customerservice@denverfabrics.com= =20 > > web: > contact form > coupon codes: >=20 >how=20 >to use coupon codes > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 20:44:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0iWKH009872 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:44:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J0iObP031707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:44:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J0i76N014116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:44:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0i4Gv087151; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0EcnF050616 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:14:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web20-z01 ([10.127.132.111]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071019001433.TKTT3962.cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web20-z01> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: <33121469.316841192752873225.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web20-z01> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:14:33 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf89cc49-8978-40ec-b0ec-decf24814487 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4717FDE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm sorry that the Gift Exchange won't be happening this year. Even though my gift didn't show up last year, I did get a tremendous gift the first year - a new friend. My Secret Santa and I have become friends and are hoping to actually meet each other next year at an SCA event. :-) Thanks so much Dawn! I appreciate all the time you put into organizing the exchange. With warmest regards, kate ---- Dawn wrote: > All, > > Since some of you have asked... > > I will not be running this again this year. It was fun last year and I > enjoyed doing it, until it got to be January and some folks hadn't > mailed out their exchanges yet. And then it got to be February and I was > still chasing people. Then it came to be March and a couple folks never > received anything from their partners. > > So... if somebody else wants to pick this up and run with it, more power > to you. You're welcome to it with my blessing, and I wish all > participants a happy holiday of their choosing. :) > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 20:58:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0wAc9010261 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:58:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J0w2oF022319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:58:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J0vabs015235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:57:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0vY8R000105; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J0vTGq099870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-30-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.30]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l9J0v6u9031784 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:57:18 +1000 Message-ID: <003e01c811eb$011fb0e0$1ef1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:57:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e4e5846-31d8-4f74-a917-b9833b0cf3e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4718011A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Anderson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image > I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this image: http:// > commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg > > Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer this > question: Is there a round button at the center of the converging > triangles on the black "box" on the back of her head? I think I see it, > but I'm not sure. > > Thanks to anyone who can help! > > Margo Anderson You may also want to have a look at this effigy http://www.tudoreffigies.co.uk/browse/view.asp?id=66 (the Tudor Effigies website is back and it has it's own domain) it shows a 3D image of a Gable hood you can see the back is basically the same (a box covered with 4 triangles) and there's definitely no button on this one. HTH Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 21:59:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J1xSMC011632 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:59:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J1xKaq021584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:59:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J1wCUP022168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J1w6Yj058924; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao05.charter.net (mtao05.charter.net [209.225.8.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J1w33f058807 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:58:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catdevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aarprv02.charter.net ([10.20.200.72]) by mtao05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071019015757.SDQA29426.mtao05.charter.net@aarprv02.charter.net> for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:57:57 -0400 Received: from [24.205.20.149] by aarprv02.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071019015757.DHIN495.aarprv02.charter.net@[24.205.20.149]> for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:57:57 -0400 Message-ID: <47180F31.4020206@alleycatscratch.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:58:09 -0700 From: Cat Devereaux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cutting for all References: <200710190044.l9J0iUJQ087572@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710190044.l9J0iUJQ087572@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9814f42e-a5eb-4306-a219-09dfd356b19b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47180F78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >>Yeah, I thought it might be just a huge book with many links and sources... well, what I'm looking for, is anything about drafting and patterns. Historical methods and professional modern methods, on a rather higher level. Something like these Rundschau magazines I recently talked about... Do you think it might be helpful for me? No information in the book on techniques. Just list and lists of where to find information. (I missed the earlier discussion, sorry.) -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 22:12:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J2C4sa011889 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:12:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J2BuQN017377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:11:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J2BZpJ023804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J2BYZ3072094; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9J2BVVd071989 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 5112 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2007 02:11:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ERwjuJwhzjTS8tAvYJo02OVZcISEZ8kctfxwCyCi1Dh62d/cPxAM3MKVhpw1xmZCPuTCDbPUmchcdE9++46S7zdPYW8gC/IG967rOBp5H8EnMBEYM03R/Vuk74W0NdSZgF86lE8PlFvfSjjaICfBO/5neWEuINc6cBoUzZ0uaiI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 22:28:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J2SWRK012287 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:28:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J2SOjO016738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:28:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J2Rua2025600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J2RtHh087689; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9J2Rp7A087633 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200710190227.l9J2Rp7A087633@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 9113 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2007 19:27:51 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 8881, pid: 9096, t: 8.4552s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m:42/d:4545 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2007 19:27:42 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:23:35 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Facsimile of Grimani Breviary, 1520 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 322139bf-86d8-4f26-a5aa-3f9b163c26aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47181648.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 18 22:30:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J2UsnG012351 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:30:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J2Uk8O000303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:30:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J2UUvt025796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J2UTQm089972; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:30:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J2UPqJ089825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40780) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IihdT-0003PO-EH; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:30:51 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:30:51 -0400 Message-ID: <20071018223051.tyht3visgks0488c@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:30:51 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange References: <33121469.316841192752873225.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web20-z01> <47181239.5090108@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <47181239.5090108@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff56e3e4-10c1-4076-b156-deba5ed77ac3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471816D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Susan Carroll-Clark : > Ailith wrote: >> I'm sorry that the Gift Exchange won't be happening this year. Even >> though my gift didn't show up last year, I did get a tremendous >> gift the first year - a new friend. My Secret Santa and I have >> become friends and are hoping to actually meet each other next year >> at an SCA event. :-) > I wouldn't write it off so fast--maybe we'll have a volunteer! I had a > blast last year and was looking forward to it this year. Normally I'd > stick up my hand but the ol' plate's a little too full at the moment. > nods. I hear you. Getting started with the new job has taken up a lot more time than I'd anticipated. Haven't had any time to even sew yet! :-( susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 04:46:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J8k6N6021763 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:46:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9J8jvCR027047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:46:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9J8ijF2061812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J8ig36083173; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9J8icnZ083057 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071019084433.LYRP3948.fep32.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:44:33 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.204]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071019084433.KTYQ15338.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:44:33 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c8122c$45084510$cc14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] muff Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:44:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.204] at Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:44:32 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f391b75-ab9a-479e-b7e6-3637cff88fb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47186EC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I didn't even realise that, he he, it is a girl named Camilla Blom. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: re: [h-cost] muff > >Hi, >>I made the muff wich i had embroidered. Now its done with initials > two: >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/DSC03435m.jpg > > Bjarne, > It's lovely, and you've made it with *my* initials. Wonderful! I > only which I could touch it. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 09:02:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JD2XQf013183 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:02:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9JD2OE9023664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:02:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9JD1IE8097633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JD1DAv047128; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net (fmailhost04.isp.att.net [204.127.217.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JD11xa046685 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scarlettday@bellsouth.net) Received: from fwebmail09.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.159]) by bellsouth.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20071019130055H0400sr563e>; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:00:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.11.159] Received: from [68.223.125.165] by fwebmail09.isp.att.net; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:00:55 +0000 From: scarlettday@bellsouth.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tasha Tudor collection Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:00:55 +0000 Message-Id: <101920071300.3590.4718AA87000757CB00000E0622218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970E0B9B9B0A049D0E0C9C@bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 29 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c2NhcmxldHRkYXlAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0492f92-7d3a-4b31-8c9b-53d96f82219f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4718AAE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm glad Hearst magazines are bringing it back. I was greatly dissappointed when they quit printing it several years ago. I really enjoyed it before and hope to again. I look to it for inspiration on several things on decorating as I have an early 1900's home. Catharine -------------- Original message from "Carmen Beaudry" : -------------- > I just recieved the first issue of the new Victoria magazine, and there's an > article devoted to Tasha Tudor's antique clothing collection. Very pretty, > mostly early 19th century dresses and jewelry. > > Melusine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 10:40:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JEdxC4016631 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:39:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9JEdp5D008568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:39:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9JEclj4012835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JEcilM067089; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JEcffr067010 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 92F4E2E826C for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 2A9462E826E for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AAE1800B1 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:38:40 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tasha Tudor collection Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:38:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011201c811d6$b76c49e0$0300a8c0@boris> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Tasha Tudor collection Thread-Index: AcgR1rfPihBzwmUlRnK+bjo9bthKDAAhofQg References: <011201c811d6$b76c49e0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1db61eda-25ed-43cc-83a4-f6f082d43679 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4718C1B7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cindy Abel =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 12:17:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JGHwc8019171 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:17:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9JGHoOI015004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:17:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9JGGfmJ056032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JGGTqe019876; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9JGGOAj019543 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39066 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2007 16:16:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Ajqqi0Q1Lot2qIDmXswes5yoOcAA2xxIlSbaK/NZQn7O8QtTQhrs7V1QsHlvmC2Kuy0uJBZjossfZjVH1VaL0akCTMzkAFgulWDlQ3kPXyPJT4tN3sIupKcmjzDbCu5ufjZPTTeCrwmM4jHaFVLiBBS4tjZEM+9sIwBXyhTwh3g=; X-YMail-OSG: TD0TWFIVM1lk2YzGn3P9lOWPI1v45cRRf_OmluHh2iTWtXlhwfCaXKURc0lqc8ASrUPISqQUScSMK7U25F6kWX9PPdTWU6eClpAxlZLHRxN66ji6uWE- Received: from [75.117.23.233] by web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:16:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134.12 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <341996.38177.qm@web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] gift exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1936c880-ae78-4907-bdfb-818b6ec44a40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4718D8AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Yahoo!= Mail has the best spam protection around =0Ahttp://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 12:52:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JGqMOW019972 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:52:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9JGqELB007510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9JGkaDA064532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JGjF6K063733; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JGikmQ062442 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so99600ana for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:45:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=8liBIJAJ6Y8bydFanQHwJ6LvFeu4RuXPTeK0raRxDAc=; b=hVhZE6tGZMRF9gS6NMFR7M5Qk+rpTxBpOpS1LuRi7wefg93s/wIeFeKcaubjnSutLUvQlk5Fh/8/soUym+pntuVTibVFxAMJCyDqABw+6F3XTFRMWdQrYQYFO3XbhvIjDy3NA1Ki2hfuecq1yayst3ztTteFY/kjh3nrY9JtPqk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L2FJ/fYr9+xtuC7QhhsHC7fr62XsZw/baGxhWz33u2++/6DTfQ3mVN7M3ZQDplg0l69sdPOvxePVyF99SCgXQvnyiCvigClvoQTCzwARCKEHhtMB8fn49B2LpTxPTiK+JRrgNuhATBscN9QfaMt2b1iw3qZWXO3PTYrj/ftxGWs= Received: by 10.142.215.5 with SMTP id n5mr766688wfg.1192812299535; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:44:59 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fee8de86-145c-4f05-92e6-c97a8e8f5775 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4718E0BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dawn, It's a pity some people have to spoil something wonderful by failing to follow thru on their commitments. Thank-you for running it (and for doing the thankless job of pestering) both years. It was as much fun putting the gift boxes together, as it was to receive a box of treasures, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange To: Historical Costume Since some of you have asked... I will not be running this again this year. It was fun last year and I enjoyed doing it, until it got to be January and some folks hadn't mailed out their exchanges yet. And then it got to be February and I was still chasing people. Then it came to be March and a couple folks never received anything from their partners. So... if somebody else wants to pick this up and run with it, more power to you. You're welcome to it with my blessing, and I wish all participants a happy holiday of their choosing. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 18:11:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JMBV63029666 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:11:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9JMBIgH015624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:11:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9JMAIaE043481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JMAFTx029097; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JJtjK3045416 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:55:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071019195535.HZBB5542.fep34.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:55:35 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.141]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071019195535.LFFN11474.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:55:35 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c8128a$02cff8b0$8d43a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:55:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.67.141] at Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:55:34 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 849fc13a-d962-4b0a-97f2-e9bda9aabc50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47192B86.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Funny what your costumes are used for. I found this movie clip, about the hauntings of a danish mannor house = Sels=F8. They use a dummy with my first francaise dress i made in 1979 as the = ghost! Sorry its danish......... http://www.tv2regionerne.dk/video.asp?Id=3D372939 Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 19:07:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JN7OMH031284 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:07:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9JN7GeL024624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:07:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9JN6jLI054698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JN6hbw087599; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JN6gV1087575 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so1410315pyi for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:06:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=OyQwSwoD/fcVFpq+n7Mtg5GG928C/PAuajK2JMlcgQM=; b=eafoCyep2r3k4oUX/OwW7e/v8I8Dahs14jWUzejWahwpw9ddEVjsSud7/LvaUMt1te1NzpsiqSOu2D6iUj9ZS5/+5MD+RaIIdZ7wonLxulGdaTm+tFbMiuJNcRfTRu4zYFZSHYf/ZiMUrtV/30Qm3iTqaD78MY7utq+g4vlb0J0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=tBSRW0EOPRqn3VUGW1DEDvE9lTzrTI6of1qhI3r0ui6V8VcUi/Svke+qOkyywTbGUX0zMdYOuflqFOY6Bml2b6N2DpkBGLYU199ZTXGcvfGapqzmY8AbjhQdvA0IK4zNwRN0oLfM0Xj9w34erK84tys1PZXlfxa8eZy7XyMUEtQ= Received: by 10.64.10.2 with SMTP id 2mr4537221qbj.1192835201414; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm644001qbe.2007.10.19.16.06.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005301c812a4$b664e060$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <430007.95863.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071018081104.03428cf0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:06:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7deb4911-b45f-4c39-9dce-90958acffab5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471938A4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://tinyurl.com/2qjknn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image > At 00:47 18/10/2007, you wrote: >>I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this >>image: http:// >>commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg >> >>Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer >>this question: Is there a round button at the center of the >>converging triangles on the black "box" on the back of her head? I >>think I see it, but I'm not sure. >> >>Thanks to anyone who can help! > I can't get the image to show up, but when I made my gable hood for > the Museum of London, I did not "see" a button." the shape of the > "pleats" on the box were formed simply by taking a tuck cross wise - > it is a bit lumpy where the pleats cross, and it certainly looked > pretty accurate, according to the Holbein drawing. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 19:52:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JNqhxL032341 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:52:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9JNqZ6r030198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:52:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9JNpii5059150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JNovL8029870; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9JNosRk029748 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.144] (sjs-130-65-37-144.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.144]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9JNoloU004134 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <02EFD829-6A23-4D43-AECC-02BFFB046557@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Andrew T Trembley Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:50:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] If there's anybody who would know... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d509815b-cf6f-4447-97ce-45db1b2ea947 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47194343.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ...it would be here. I'm looking for North American retailers/wholesalers of ramie cloth. For that matter, I'm interested in any vendor who ships to the US... andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 20:45:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K0j1jd001320 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:45:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9K0irQX028253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:44:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9K0i1oq066568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K0i0Hv077437; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K0hvCs077330 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d2b.197392db (30738) for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:43:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de82b492-2540-49ac-ab2c-055db710adc0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47194F85.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 10/19/2007 6:11:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Sorry its danish......... ****** There's no need to apologize for Danish. I love Danish....especially a cheese danish... :-P ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 21:07:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K176Sr001867 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:07:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9K16wNk021580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:07:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9K164QH068912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K16212096837; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K15un3096621 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c5b.1af01f47 (30738) for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:05:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f78bdea0-ef89-46eb-bb58-32ac67f71e79 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471954B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's actually interesting how I can understand every shot even if it is in Danish. There are so many shows on like this in English.... British and American... that I could tell exactly what was going on and what people were saying. The medium.... like all such frauds... was very good. Give her an award! These ghost stories are so funny when taken seriously. How did they end up with that gown anyway? * * * * Back in 1979 I designed "The Three Penny Opera" as a senior design student. There is a brothel scene in which I put the girls in teddies, tap pants, chemises....all kinds of what was just then becoming trendy lingerie but also period [we did it in WWI] Last year I went to a show at my old college... another Brecht play: "The Good Woman of Szechwan". In one scene the actors are pinning up laundry on a line to dry. Up goes one of my outfits for the other Brecht show. Back stage I complimented the props designer for her superior taste in undies. She looked at me sideway so I explained she had used something I had designed 30 years ago. "Well, I got the Brecht feel right, I suppose". I quipped. But it's true, you never know where your costumes will end up. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 19 23:47:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K3l6mX006165 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:47:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9K3kwvE018926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:47:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9K3jfKd084608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K3jXS9035514; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K3jUhL035356 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JQ6008T9YFKAAY0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:45:20 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06602d15-65a1-4ec1-a079-94d32558b49f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47197A32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO One of my 16th Century gowns ended up on the cover of a re-enactor's supply catalogue. Pretty funny. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress It's actually interesting how I can understand every shot even if it is in Danish. There are so many shows on like this in English.... British and American... that I could tell exactly what was going on and what people were saying. The medium.... like all such frauds... was very good. Give her an award! These ghost stories are so funny when taken seriously. How did they end up with that gown anyway? * * * * Back in 1979 I designed "The Three Penny Opera" as a senior design student. There is a brothel scene in which I put the girls in teddies, tap pants, chemises....all kinds of what was just then becoming trendy lingerie but also period [we did it in WWI] Last year I went to a show at my old college... another Brecht play: "The Good Woman of Szechwan". In one scene the actors are pinning up laundry on a line to dry. Up goes one of my outfits for the other Brecht show. Back stage I complimented the props designer for her superior taste in undies. She looked at me sideway so I explained she had used something I had designed 30 years ago. "Well, I got the Brecht feel right, I suppose". I quipped. But it's true, you never know where your costumes will end up. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 01:19:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K5JQxP008277 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:19:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9K5JIP0016977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:19:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9K5I1s0091104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K5HuuA009098; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K5Hr8H009052 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from clclists1@earthlink.net) Received: from user-105nfnn.cable.mindspring.com ([64.91.190.247] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Ij6ie-0000qd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:17:53 -0400 Message-ID: <47198F84.4050803@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:17:56 -0500 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] If there's anybody who would know... 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When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-71), historian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 03:32:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K7WSnT003321 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:32:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9K7WIM5013172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:32:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9K7VCZ7004618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K7V73X012201; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9K7V36L012083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.24.221] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ij8nR-0007q7-N0 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:30:58 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071020082712.0342a9e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:30:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress/Old Costumes revived In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc56b7f5-5f2d-48e3-8a8d-8bda975807fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4719AF02.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 02:05 20/10/2007, you wrote: >It's actually interesting how I can understand every shot even if it is in >Danish. There are so many shows on like this in English.... British and >American... that I could tell exactly what was going on and what people were >saying. The medium.... like all such frauds... was very good. Give >her an award! >These ghost stories are so funny when taken seriously. > >How did they end up with that gown anyway? > >* * * * > >Back in 1979 I designed "The Three Penny Opera" as a senior design student. >There is a brothel scene in which I put the girls in teddies, tap pants, >chemises....all kinds of what was just then becoming trendy lingerie >but also >period [we did it in WWI] > >Last year I went to a show at my old college... another Brecht play: "The >Good Woman of Szechwan". In one scene the actors are pinning up laundry on a >line to dry. Up goes one of my outfits for the other Brecht show. >Back stage I >complimented the props designer for her superior taste in undies. She looked >at me sideway so I explained she had used something I had designed 30 years >ago. "Well, I got the Brecht feel right, I suppose". I quipped. > > But it's true, you never know where your costumes will end up. I made a pile of costumes for the IMAX movie they use at Hearst Castle (don't ask) about the life of W.R. Hearst. The clothes barely appear in the movie, but one of the outfits went from Cosprop (the supplier) to ABC Costumes, a hire house, to a school hire department - schools hire costumes from there for plays! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 12:09:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9KG92ST011517 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:09:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9KG8r7W000551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:08:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9KG7rvn093231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9KG7nQW048501; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9KG7kSJ048323 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d28.1767f41e (14467) for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:07:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress/Old Costumes revived To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4266d64-dc8d-4a63-b66c-0186c397be4a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471A2815.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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We were watching "Raintree County" and during the ball scene he kept pointing out gowns, as they waltzed by in seconds, from "GWTW"!!!! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 18:40:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9KMec1C021439 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:40:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9KMeTQ5016499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:40:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9KMVpTK055216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9KMViYF017155; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9KMVeBU017035 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071020223136.QTEM1681.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:31:36 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([68.10.241.213]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 2mXZ1Y00D4cxKws0000000; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:31:33 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress/Old Costumes revived Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:31:33 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c81368$f7a6f620$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgTM5oed6WhTYRHSn+7DrUFVvUcfQANUOCA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95c89c69-5a1e-412e-afa8-e4c076274a7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471A83DD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:41 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 21:03:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L13aID025746 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:03:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9L13SKl017228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:03:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9L0xdCv087473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:59:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L0xbel039864; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:59:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L0wLwg039057 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=jTRdwGfdx5ixRyMlrFTzSmqm4TLUuaVNVKMIfhyfKSbzjGoGITIk0aVNl3mLsvCO; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.105.81.16] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1IjP8x-0000lW-DR for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:58:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <341996.38177.qm@web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <341996.38177.qm@web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3039A398-EFF5-4541-875C-9A14AA1FFD0D@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:55:52 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cf1ecd4d1c99a1f10a4349b4bee08cb15350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.105.81.16 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: ISO scan of a Morris tapestry X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 612752c6-bea8-4d69-b809-9c78f8ac3e27 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471AA560.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm looking for someone who has a better picture than I do of the 19th-century tapestry from Morris & Co. called "Adoration of the Magi" (designed by E. Burne-Jones). All the pictures I can find on the Internet are tiny (400 pixels or so) and all the details of the original are invisible. I need a better look at this, so if anyone has a book with a better picture in it, I'd love to hear about it. This was one of the most popular Morris tapestries, so I know there are examples out there and some of them have probably featured in books. TIA ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 21:13:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L1DZQB025918 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:13:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9L1DRft012228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:13:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9L1D5G9089371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L1D4Su048682; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9KEtjka078770 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071020145539.EXLE3063.fep31.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:55:39 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.28]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071020145539.LNQG11474.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:55:39 +0200 Message-ID: <003201c81329$463ba500$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:55:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.67.28] at Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:55:39 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cda923b4-aadc-4431-9bdf-a24c36840650 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471AA7B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Yes you are right about this, and the bad thing about the ghost story at Selsø is that it dont fit with any of the persons who lived there. There is a tale about a wife who killed her husband in the bed, because she was so jealoux about his life with other wimen, later that night she regreat her deal, and threw herself out of the window down into the water where she drowned. The story points out that it was the wife of a person who rebuilded the castle in the 1730ies, problem with that is that he was a widower, his wife died before him. I can only laugh at such people who think they feels other things than the rest of us, they are not telling the trouth. My dress ended at the castle because i gave it away to them, so they could exhibit. They needed things, because it was almost empty of interriors. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] my very first francaise dress > It's actually interesting how I can understand every shot even if it is in > Danish. There are so many shows on like this in English.... British and > American... that I could tell exactly what was going on and what people > were > saying. The medium.... like all such frauds... was very good. Give her an > award! > These ghost stories are so funny when taken seriously. > > How did they end up with that gown anyway? > > * * * * > > Back in 1979 I designed "The Three Penny Opera" as a senior design > student. > There is a brothel scene in which I put the girls in teddies, tap pants, > chemises....all kinds of what was just then becoming trendy lingerie but > also > period [we did it in WWI] > > Last year I went to a show at my old college... another Brecht play: "The > Good Woman of Szechwan". In one scene the actors are pinning up laundry on > a > line to dry. Up goes one of my outfits for the other Brecht show. Back > stage I > complimented the props designer for her superior taste in undies. She > looked > at me sideway so I explained she had used something I had designed 30 > years > ago. "Well, I got the Brecht feel right, I suppose". I quipped. > > But it's true, you never know where your costumes will end up. > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 21:17:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L1Hpav025997 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:17:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9L1HhHM014313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:17:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9L1BAoF088972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L1B9GG047280; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9KDFgjl075088 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 18833 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2007 13:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.148.109 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2007 13:15:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VBt2XXEVM1kvzX_u_PTeCN5j8tcXtKDSRO7cO3nOzR1xntXz5Th25qj.iq29NbGqONiQth6vIfbOZPO0V9LKCvqWeBX.uyKjvvq8Sft2k2szmAsD0aZv Message-ID: <001a01c8131b$4c1bbc70$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02EFD829-6A23-4D43-AECC-02BFFB046557@bovil.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] If there's anybody who would know... Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:15:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 072180ba-9767-4176-89cf-e1a1a0b460f5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471AA8B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew T Trembley" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] If there's anybody who would know... > ...it would be here. > > I'm looking for North American retailers/wholesalers of ramie cloth. > For that matter, I'm interested in any vendor who ships to the US... > > andy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 23:45:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L3jpVN029077 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:45:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9L3jgQ3009508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:45:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9L3iGo2005957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L3iBpw058636; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L3i54j058579 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1IjRjP4229-0004gP; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:44:05 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:43:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+6rZAhwW99rmE9yd7TiDI4X9d7QVgIQjiTu9N 9Fk6EXs/w3ldPgnCzYbQbTneYQ0IhAjul2EnZpNSxQowcKF/lE gKCgoD77SX0nccXKQJxfg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9dba1b6-4e03-4468-b713-df0d24eaa77c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471ACB66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Today I purchased at an antique store a really nice large group photo. = I thought you all would like to see it. The cabinet card photo's back = is written "Uncle Lem Donahue's home at Sandyville, West Virginia." The raw image is at: http://www.costumegallery.com/Photos/WestVA.jpg Same image with markings of interest: = http://www.costumegallery.com/Photos/WestVA2.jpg =20 The photo images are really large for you to view the details and = compare the two images. If you are viewing the Internet Explorer, make = sure to place your cursor on the lower right corner. Wait for the little = box with arrows to appear then click on it for the enlargement. I do = suggest to open two windows to do the comparison. =20 I am trying to figure what is the occasion/event of this photo. =20 Details:=20 A. Two girls holding porcelain dolls. B. Two elderly women holding bonnets in their hand. C. Two men holding up papers in a display manner. D. Toddler girl in a floor length dress E. Baby in a long white dress=20 F. I don't know if this is a ghost part of the photo or a blur. It is = of a man on a horse.=20 G. I am not sure if this is two ladies or one lady who moved while the = photo was taken. OVALS: I placed ovals or circles around what maybe flowers/corsages. A = couple of girls are holding flowers. =20 Several of the children at wearing hats and some boys are holding = theirs. =20 I wish I could find a group photo like this of my family. Maybe this = photo can make its way back to Uncle Lem's family or if I can find the = county's library and send it to them. The dealer told me that he had = looked up Sandyville, WV on the internet. He said it was a community = not a town.=20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 20 23:58:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L3ws3O029296 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:58:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9L3wke7012475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9L3wQ4Y006847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L3wOJW069764; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L3wH3l069562 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JQ800HODTOTCSK0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:58:05 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo In-reply-to: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fee452f1-8aa7-4596-b423-5a37a23ca05e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471ACE76.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What a great picture! Thanks for sharing! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo Today I purchased at an antique store a really nice large group photo. I thought you all would like to see it. The cabinet card photo's back is written "Uncle Lem Donahue's home at Sandyville, West Virginia." The raw image is at: http://www.costumegallery.com/Photos/WestVA.jpg Same image with markings of interest: http://www.costumegallery.com/Photos/WestVA2.jpg The photo images are really large for you to view the details and compare the two images. If you are viewing the Internet Explorer, make sure to place your cursor on the lower right corner. Wait for the little box with arrows to appear then click on it for the enlargement. I do suggest to open two windows to do the comparison. I am trying to figure what is the occasion/event of this photo. Details: A. Two girls holding porcelain dolls. B. Two elderly women holding bonnets in their hand. C. Two men holding up papers in a display manner. D. Toddler girl in a floor length dress E. Baby in a long white dress F. I don't know if this is a ghost part of the photo or a blur. It is of a man on a horse. G. I am not sure if this is two ladies or one lady who moved while the photo was taken. OVALS: I placed ovals or circles around what maybe flowers/corsages. A couple of girls are holding flowers. Several of the children at wearing hats and some boys are holding theirs. I wish I could find a group photo like this of my family. Maybe this photo can make its way back to Uncle Lem's family or if I can find the county's library and send it to them. The dealer told me that he had looked up Sandyville, WV on the internet. He said it was a community not a town. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 02:00:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L60tjD031732 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:00:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9L60lfV008980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:00:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9L5vNZ7016073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L5ujDP048269; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9L5ufBd048179 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 66624 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2007 05:56:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iBkTJ1jfIAZNeDw2/xc1YeNTdpTpAdBe/5kMXAjZPKhEgDLJkJ/bHYYIRgSDJUdY3dHGW3SpiFewoeCHNyxvyPlGTR4MayM5MppjQSBvaZFRwryYaPhKgdxEcbqimPg6JhgF1lxvAI3GU8gU+e4Ybrn/LkMQG1rHb3wUpmzZkvI=; X-YMail-OSG: 0DbZk3sVM1l6an4xTPhd0vLAD7OhLzEhE89S9YbKLtEB1YrnWjwbyOS0azxkX6TC4IROnPi4MXv43NGYWPYLg2muWiNNAI6mq2BXyWKGyn2IYYrG2Kc- Received: from [69.219.81.177] by web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:56:36 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <250604.60877.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60a621f5-910a-4969-9e1a-11eebcf12012 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471AEB0F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Penny - Based on the photo's similarity to many in my family archives I would guess that it is either a family reunion or a church picnic type of gathering. Unfortunately, my monitor isn't good enough to get a detailed look at faces to see if there is much family resemblance amongst the group, but I would guess family celebration. Most of the church group photos in my family boxes say something like "Christian Endeavor picnic" or "Sunday School gathering". It would be interesting to see if you could trace the family of "Uncle Lem". Thanks for sharing! --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > Today I purchased at an antique store a really nice > large group photo. I thought you all would like to > see it. The cabinet card photo's back is written > "Uncle Lem Donahue's home at Sandyville, West > Virginia." > The raw image is at: > http://www.costumegallery.com/Photos/WestVA.jpg > Same image with markings of interest: > http://www.costumegallery.com/Photos/WestVA2.jpg > The photo images are really large for you to view > the details and compare the two images. If you are > viewing the Internet Explorer, make sure to place > your cursor on the lower right corner. Wait for the > little box with arrows to appear then click on it > for the enlargement. I do suggest to open two > windows to do the comparison. > > I am trying to figure what is the occasion/event of > this photo. > > Details: > A. Two girls holding porcelain dolls. > B. Two elderly women holding bonnets in their hand. > C. Two men holding up papers in a display manner. > D. Toddler girl in a floor length dress > E. Baby in a long white dress > F. I don't know if this is a ghost part of the photo > or a blur. It is of a man on a horse. > G. I am not sure if this is two ladies or one lady > who moved while the photo was taken. > OVALS: I placed ovals or circles around what maybe > flowers/corsages. A couple of girls are holding > flowers. > > Several of the children at wearing hats and some > boys are holding theirs. > > I wish I could find a group photo like this of my > family. Maybe this photo can make its way back to > Uncle Lem's family or if I can find the county's > library and send it to them. The dealer told me that > he had looked up Sandyville, WV on the internet. He > said it was a community not a town. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 02:04:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L64jFS031834 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:04:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9L64bvg024205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:04:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9L61sj0016271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:01:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L61Itm051148; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9L61Flx051125 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1IjTs83M88-0003PZ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:01:14 -0400 Message-ID: <006101c813a7$b2d8fbd0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:00:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/y4Jp5Fxv3zFBcdOOTlvA+PHQhSISkgW28nda A6mbkBIDFoFMGcPvAXEZ10msJM68EjZRl1PkZ+wq299a1yXmgm OuUTIvXYiucckyBbh4jyQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76b25361-5912-4a4a-8cc4-04a079dfa243 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471AEBF5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Your welcome! My husband, son, and I are fascinated with this photo because it shows so much. The two men displaying the papers is driving my son crazy. He said that the papers contain a photo with writing underneath it. If you look at the toddler D, a lady is standing in back of her. Behind this lady appears to be a child in an equestrian suit. It is hard to see all the photo's details online. Some of the people have their hands on people in front of them. I have located on rootsweb a lady who researching Donahues in this area. I hope her email address is current. I also found the library for Jackson County where Sandyville is located. I hope to call them Monday. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 10:14:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LEEA2R024189 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:14:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9LEE1xW011818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9LECoVk066945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LECTjI099963; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LECOm9099813 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.5.118] Received: from [75.46.5.118] (adsl-75-46-5-118.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.5.118]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l9LECIOs009993 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:12:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <006101c813a7$b2d8fbd0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> References: <006101c813a7$b2d8fbd0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3249AFC2-04B2-4CE9-B895-74B6D198EDD9@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:12:23 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82a08933-dea0-4003-895a-15320535203d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471B5EA9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 21, 2007, at 2:00 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > The two men displaying the papers is driving my son crazy. He said > that the papers contain a photo with writing underneath it. I have a photo of my great-grandmother and several other ladies from about 1897. In it, my g-gma is holding a photograph of her two young children. I don't know why these seven or eight ladies decided to have their picture taken together in their good dresses or why she's holding the photo. I don't believe that any of the other ladies are related to my family, and both children were alive at that time. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 11:04:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LF48pd025597 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:04:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9LF3xA1026824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:04:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9LF3QKI079945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LF3OnS055327; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LF3Hcj054922 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JQ900BTCOH5GP10@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:03:03 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo In-reply-to: <3249AFC2-04B2-4CE9-B895-74B6D198EDD9@faucet.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 791968df-3960-47e1-9cb0-6ed1933fcb1e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471B6A5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I, too, have a great family photo. It seems to be from around 1910. My great grandmother and her children-- my grandfather (a really handsome man) and his sisters. The ladies are wearing dresses of their own creation (GORGEOUS!) Theae are the great aunts who inspired my interest in sewing. They put themselves through nursing school by hand stitching gloves in Gloversville, NY. This was pre WWI. They later ended up in WWI France nursing the wounded. If you would like to see it, someone will have to tell me how to post it once it is scanned in to my computer... Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo On Oct 21, 2007, at 2:00 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > The two men displaying the papers is driving my son crazy. He said > that the papers contain a photo with writing underneath it. I have a photo of my great-grandmother and several other ladies from about 1897. In it, my g-gma is holding a photograph of her two young children. I don't know why these seven or eight ladies decided to have their picture taken together in their good dresses or why she's holding the photo. I don't believe that any of the other ladies are related to my family, and both children were alive at that time. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 11:12:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LFC2Qs025794 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:12:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9LFBrtf004745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:11:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9LFBbnn081436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:11:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LFBa7F064429; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:11:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LFBWgN064309 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathoov@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1098001wxc for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:11:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; bh=U0UjBPsqXx8jXme5sLC7J9vjTPaihDvZPjlKzLZBcEA=; b=DaXhPyHg2kSsOxMb5LJXvRqu23424Zg/MvkfUivwL4utBIEJldE3SpYTMf6Mp6JGSXcDvB7km5HUPOREC1HJS4gF/1ybv84Yx8LrpxKkgN6a5f9OArcQH3vgjYke5N5eNZ/rp3iGwuNa5Km9uG5tOavhOfPlJ6edwHjRIPS6xcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=VpkLDk1DnHsOCl5S3YJBaGx1lHcgOGIi+qRtae8mYBwzZ2P1VrGWeXLYgbFnU+b0/+r3tQaWlFYotnzI4b6/SJQv+/y/Tuyz/0JcuqZ8QworvjW2UjqeuQn0j66zqr6toWoCGfwDlPzI8Zl/o2+lXBnFnBAshl4cWPZtQEKu5bo= Received: by 10.70.13.5 with SMTP id 5mr6964252wxm.1192979491730; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kathy-Laptop.gmail.com ( [71.61.82.214]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d29sm5564654and.2007.10.21.08.11.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:11:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:11:20 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Kathy Hoover Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo In-Reply-To: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> References: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <471b6c22.1d1e640a.1c37.ffffac18@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc7ae5e6-6b75-4f21-8c50-f1bcebdb9d74 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471B6C39.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Penny, I am going to send this on to the West Virginia & Regional History Collection, located in the library I work in, and see if they can help. They have, they say, 21,000 photos online and even more in their unscanned archive. I did a quick search of the online and came up with nothing, although "Jackson" comes up a lot around here, since (American Civil War General) Stonewall Jackson was from West Virginia and many things have been named for him. (There was no Donahue and no Sandyville, either.) The relative affluence of the people in the photo reflects the part of West Virginia they come from--on the west side, not far from the Ohio border and Ohio River, not in the most mountainous part of the state. Sandyville, WV does come up on Google as a location, so perhaps it's enough of a town to have a Post Office! ;-) I'll let you know if they can figure anything out, Kathy Hoover (Yes, Penny, I'm still here!) Library Associate Downtown Library West Virginia University Morgantown, WV At 11:43 PM 10/20/2007, you wrote: >Today I purchased at an antique store a really nice large group >photo. I thought you all would like to see it. The cabinet card >photo's back is written "Uncle Lem Donahue's home at Sandyville, >West Virginia." >The raw image is at: http://www.costumegallery.com/Photos/WestVA.jpg >Same image with markings of interest: >http://www.costumegallery.com/Photos/WestVA2.jpg >The photo images are really large for you to view the details and >compare the two images. If you are viewing the Internet Explorer, >make sure to place your cursor on the lower right corner. Wait for >the little box with arrows to appear then click on it for the >enlargement. I do suggest to open two windows to do the comparison. > >I am trying to figure what is the occasion/event of this photo. > >Details: >A. Two girls holding porcelain dolls. >B. Two elderly women holding bonnets in their hand. >C. Two men holding up papers in a display manner. >D. Toddler girl in a floor length dress >E. Baby in a long white dress >F. I don't know if this is a ghost part of the photo or a blur. It >is of a man on a horse. >G. I am not sure if this is two ladies or one lady who moved while >the photo was taken. >OVALS: I placed ovals or circles around what maybe >flowers/corsages. A couple of girls are holding flowers. > >Several of the children at wearing hats and some boys are holding theirs. > >I wish I could find a group photo like this of my family. Maybe >this photo can make its way back to Uncle Lem's family or if I can >find the county's library and send it to them. The dealer told me >that he had looked up Sandyville, WV on the internet. He said it >was a community not a town. > >Penny Ladnier, >Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites >www.costumegallery.com >www.costumelibrary.com >www.costumeclassroom.com >www.costumeencyclopedia.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 13:41:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LHfOnv029308 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:41:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9LHfF29010191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:41:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9LHe4mY004166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LHe2v6032309; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:40:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LHdxsE032202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58322) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IjemH-0005u6-Ex; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:39:53 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: <20071021133953.wvp8nncuo8kwgs4k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:39:53 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo References: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae8d83a2-3baa-4048-8ded-8673afef8dc6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471B8F3B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Penny Ladnier : > Today I purchased at an antique store a really nice large group =20 > photo. I thought you all would like to see it. The cabinet card =20 > photo's back is written "Uncle Lem Donahue's home at Sandyville, =20 > West Virginia." My guess is a Church Group. It was the custom to go to a memebers =20 house for Sunday Dinner after the service. Even for a crowd that =20 large. I can remember at my grandparents house, that there would be 2 =20 or 3 tables of preachers, a couple of tables of men, then the women =20 would eat and then the children. Granny fed a *LOT* of folks on =20 Church Sunday. There's a sect of Baptists that you tend to find in =20 the Appalachian Mountains that still have services once a month -- =20 rather than the circuit riding preacher, the congregation moved from =20 church-house to church-house. The practice dated from Colonial =20 Virginia when an individual congregation could only meet once a month =20 unless they were Anglican. Anyway, I've got a similar photo taken around 1902. My grandfather is =20 one of the children on the front row -- 2 of the 4 sets of =20 Great-GRandparents are under the Welcome sign, and the pastor of this =20 group (this is actually a Methodist Church) was a great-grand-father =20 (He's the person under the umbrella). This was taken at the =20 Odd-Fellows hall on Birchfield in Wise Co., VA. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Genealogy/Images/Misc/odd.fellows-11x14.jp= g Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 13:44:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LHiVsc029384 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:44:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9LHiMbD014115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:44:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9LHi6Cq004675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LHi5Ct036055; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LHi3el035952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41988) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IjeqE-0004Jp-0k; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:43:58 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:43:57 -0400 Message-ID: <20071021134357.bm4iuiv3ksw8cs84@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:43:57 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo References: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50a32d05-a273-4bff-b5fc-41e9f9ba92ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471B8FF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, yeah ... Quoting Penny Ladnier : > > F. I don't know if this is a ghost part of the photo or a blur. It > is of a man on a horse. > G. I am not sure if this is two ladies or one lady who moved while > the photo was taken. Folks were probably moving. General exposure times were a couple of minutes. susan (who does Genealogy and collects Old Photos in her Copious Amounts of Spare Time!) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 15:17:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LJHmni031744 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:17:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9LJHdhj030162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:17:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9LJGXts017534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LJGTqS038462; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LJGP6d038375 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kalessa.h@ukonline.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IjgHf-00049E-NY for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:16:23 +0100 Received: from [77.100.99.210] (helo=[10.26.2.10]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IjgHf-0004l5-4L for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:16:23 +0100 Message-ID: <471BA80A.3090203@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:27:06 +0100 From: Kalessa User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: ISO scan of a Morris tapestry References: <341996.38177.qm@web50211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3039A398-EFF5-4541-875C-9A14AA1FFD0D@igc.org> In-Reply-To: <3039A398-EFF5-4541-875C-9A14AA1FFD0D@igc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd02fd5b-148d-4eae-bf6a-0df4d1894c32 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471BA5D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi... I do have a high resolution scan of this (2615 x 1732 pixels) - file size (jpeg) is 7.88Mb. I also have a scan of the Burne-Jones cartoon for the tapestry (scan is a bit grainy, but it does give a clearer idea of the costume drapery). Resolution for this is 1870 x 1209 pixels; file size (jpeg again) is 4.35Mb. Let me know if this is useful, and I'll send you the files off list (if the files are a bit big for your connection speed, I can downsample them! :-) ) Regards, Lessa Chris Laning wrote: > I'm looking for someone who has a better picture than I do of the > 19th-century tapestry from Morris & Co. called "Adoration of the Magi" > (designed by E. Burne-Jones). > > All the pictures I can find on the Internet are tiny (400 pixels or > so) and all the details of the original are invisible. I need a better > look at this, so if anyone has a book with a better picture in it, I'd > love to hear about it. This was one of the most popular Morris > tapestries, so I know there are examples out there and some of them > have probably featured in books. > > TIA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 20:45:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M0jtUr005073 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:45:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9M0jPA2015239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:45:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9M0i1M3059936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M0hjOT039716; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9LLcZY2092175 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kalessa.h@ukonline.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IjiVG-0003bn-Nu for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:38:34 +0100 Received: from [77.100.99.210] (helo=[10.26.2.10]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IjiVD-0005wm-5G for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:38:31 +0100 Message-ID: <471BC95A.3030901@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:49:14 +0100 From: Kalessa User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: ISO scan of a Morris tapestry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: 2276355d-7c3a-41ac-baa4-9979b5cc42da X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471BF2A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No worries! I've sent both files off list... Regards, Lessa :-) > Thank goodness! Yes, I'd like that very much. If your e-mail will send a file that big, my e-mail has a 100-mB mailbox :) > > Both files would be very helpful, but the one of the tapestry itself especially so. > > Whew! I knew this was the right place to ask :) > > -----Original Message----- > >> >From: Kalessa >> >Sent: Oct 21, 2007 12:27 PM >> >To: Historical Costume >> >Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: ISO scan of a Morris tapestry >> > >> >Hi... >> > >> > I do have a high resolution scan of this (2615 x 1732 pixels) - file >> >size (jpeg) is 7.88Mb. I also have a scan of the Burne-Jones cartoon for >> >the tapestry (scan is a bit grainy, but it does give a clearer idea of >> >the costume drapery). Resolution for this is 1870 x 1209 pixels; file >> >size (jpeg again) is 4.35Mb. >> > >> > Let me know if this is useful, and I'll send you the files off list >> >(if the files are a bit big for your connection speed, I can downsample >> >them! :-) ) >> > >> >Regards, >> > Lessa >> > >> > >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > 0 Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 22:01:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M21ZpW006508 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:01:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9M21RxZ000624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:01:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9M208Fp071744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:00:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M205c8001681; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.200.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M202iv001548 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2007102201595701500h1tjle>; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:59:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:59:56 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] cleaning problem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38c00465-c428-40eb-ae38-fbe38f537848 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471C0477.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the list often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I thought I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has been through the wash twice and treated with spot removers and other stuff and still remains. I may have to give up on it but I thought I'd see if someone has had good luck with some product haven't tried. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 22:13:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M2DmP9006675 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:13:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9M2DdYM026403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:13:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9M29kWi074660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M29jMD010596; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9M29f5J010457 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckenet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79669 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2007 02:09:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QgonHyEVTCbQXRU6msLxgOwH8IWMgocAspQEM9UWFD3CJahUcFRhqnUTHLBpWiE8LPfMYP17gBcfy1w/2c/AAl+0QZJ6SzPMXMs3n3GJZD8mUgyVvKI/1zPvT/FfQOX2UV800YRaoRavD9uUQJKEaVetnIQAvYBPbtGeRDWC/Yc=; X-YMail-OSG: fxAR6dwVM1kYrwqUxubf3iwn7rwoeaZeGEX61n.S.jPJ.l5q86UJLAm0Iq4ml5Ez0pSeqBpoobj8bw4n9WgCBqie6OawMwVkQpWG3IIq7paxPTNOUeM- Received: from [68.17.250.205] by web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:09:35 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenet Muir Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <918914.77144.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0f67f0c-f046-4046-9114-dd0861a595b1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471C0753.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Have you tried getting the stain wet with warm water then rubbing baking soda into it mixed with hydrogen peroxide? Let it sit for half and hour then wash as usual. I found that it worked with chocolate that had been through the wash several times. Kenet --- Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since > others on the list > often have problems cleaning costumes and antique > clothing, I thought > I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain > that has been > through the wash twice and treated with spot > removers and other stuff > and still remains. I may have to give up on it but > I thought I'd see > if someone has had good luck with some product > haven't tried. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 22:18:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M2IEeu006745 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9M2I5QI010121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9M2HbtS077078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M2Hamt017946; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M2HWn5017801 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20071022021722m11004kosoe>; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:17:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <918914.77144.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <918914.77144.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5ccbf3db4d052d83b958a90c1c7c1e00@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:17:21 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31a76980-e219-4784-9034-ee801db9aa10 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471C085D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That won't bleach the fabric? It's not white. On Oct 21, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Kenet Muir wrote: > Have you tried getting the stain wet with warm water > then rubbing baking soda into it mixed with hydrogen > peroxide? Let it sit for half and hour then wash as > usual. I found that it worked with chocolate that had > been through the wash several times. > > Kenet > > --- Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > >> I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since >> others on the list >> often have problems cleaning costumes and antique >> clothing, I thought >> I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain >> that has been >> through the wash twice and treated with spot >> removers and other stuff >> and still remains. I may have to give up on it but >> I thought I'd see >> if someone has had good luck with some product >> haven't tried. >> >> Sylrog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 06:59 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote: >I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the >list often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I >thought I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has >been through the wash twice and treated with spot removers and other >stuff and still remains. I may have to give up on it but I thought >I'd see if someone has had good luck with some product haven't tried. > >Sylrog Do you have any Synthrapol? It's used to de-grease fabrics before dyeing and does a good job of getting the lanolin out of raw wool. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 21 23:55:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M3tTOl008165 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:55:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9M3tKwa026768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:55:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9M3s5fN085062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M3s1td088068; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M3rwCj087972 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=jcBZuHdDCeYN+E6Q9HIn6NTlHu4faRFdtiCyijqm03IYoU/2F4i47S9FKx/JXt1y; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IjoMS-0001sW-Mq for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:53:52 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20071021224939.0287bb50@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:53:00 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200710211800.l9LI03Z2055931@net.indra.com> References: <200710211800.l9LI03Z2055931@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53100f810b5c66a1900eff0c4f732b6b996821ac0b1d73f340350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Interesting 1890s Group Photo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06ccdcd8-8bd3-4582-9c5e-9cad32e03d2f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471C1F29.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO G: I think it's two women, as the dresses and hair are not the same. If it helps, it looks like it's either spring or autumn, as the trees only have a few leaves and the grass looks sparse. My feeling is autumn. HTH, Sandy At 01:00 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:43:24 -0400 >From: "Penny Ladnier" >Subject: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo > >Today I purchased at an antique store a really nice large group >photo. I thought you all would like to see it. The cabinet card >photo's back is written "Uncle Lem Donahue's home at Sandyville, >West Virginia." > >G. I am not sure if this is two ladies or one lady who moved while >the photo was taken. > >Penny Ladnier, >Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 22 01:53:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M5rKbo010770 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:53:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9M5r6u0014106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:53:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9M5q3s1094750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M5q1CI075243; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9M5pvJ6075202 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1IjqCh3L5D-0003Qy; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:51:57 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c8146f$902ea300$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200710211800.l9LI03Z2055931@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20071021224939.0287bb50@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Interesting 1890s Group Photo Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:51:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+tlnOnBWhZ7ZvLXWedkhIUIGVyviznOagoFD8 2BUC1bgpKX8ofjftAv806KfDmKiaNoXQdW99Q1PMfUNQmqNxPO vqazMt0RisodR1Nmq8DZQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a631ffa-51dc-402a-ae06-7454115a4742 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471C3AC2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sandy, I believe it is springtime. On of the smaller trees has flowers on it like a dogwood. VA is in the same zone and dogwoods generally bloom in April. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 22 09:02:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MD2udI010141 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:02:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9MD2lXt024896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:02:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9MD1iAD076265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:01:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MD1eDc098497; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MD1aK7098304 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:01:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:01:28 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l9MD1SN93664 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:01:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 22 Oct 2007 08:01:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:01:27 -0500 References: <200710211800.l9LI03Z1055931@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: <471C58C6.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200710211800.l9LI03Z1055931@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Interesting 1890s Group Photo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5f13147-8662-486b-83fc-ea82927545b2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471C9F77.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Penny, This is just fascinating, especially since I'm putting together costumes for an 1895 play :). Please keep us updated on your discoveries about this. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 22 13:43:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MHhnd1017253 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:43:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9MHhe6B029225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:43:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9MHgSUg042764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MHgMdW090179; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MHgGb2090058 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0BF38503AA; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:41:19 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] cleaning problem Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:42:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c814d2$e03fe2b0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgUTz96NWre+wanSpq78r8YrqqM4AAg1IEQ In-Reply-To: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fa045de-9298-4e77-b93d-bf1a04997de9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471CE14C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What things have you tried? Simple Green works well on dissolving automotive oil My son's basketball got smeared by rolling under a car and it was the only stuff to get it off. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] cleaning problem I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the list often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I thought I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has been through the wash twice and treated with spot removers and other stuff and still remains. I may have to give up on it but I thought I'd see if someone has had good luck with some product haven't tried. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 22 14:16:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MIG7UX018315 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:16:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9MIFwtA029588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:16:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9MIFMF6049896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:15:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MIFIF8037833; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MIFBOg037651 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so155751ana for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:15:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=EFK0FISYcA+4EbWQBIGEeZ+v+iFLUCwhCjKRuLz7EWM=; b=ldYSlkO9bATNq6vI7G+LRbACpzCp+3EGfshWv0MJXU9s+xYAhuGUMV6mbx26YxO+0fSuifIsEzQfkJK1XCSAj88lqR5gauCW/UEfT4cauQZJv4NQlsjkEXrwFQ6cB1Jpo2azQ0hngWL51XT3CtUlcMXA3ywsjkjNUVw2Zo1i1/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Izypd20UnacWw4EldCluh4JUDQFQrCI3ItQzPdh6VuF6sLuMTw5zmXpj1Ib8UTe/tSfnoZ7fYUiGtcuAxBzk9mBsH4kSprEqHAB8CKGgoNC+CX7BC4lfpZP4oPgzuwLhabTbQy6pw2hXfQVhamlsC6WGNGTjVj0wn8KpSSR8egw= Received: by 10.142.241.10 with SMTP id o10mr1464710wfh.1193076908086; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:15:07 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vendor: Threads in Time X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a464d60-7c63-4895-b1f9-062906624ef0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471CE8DE.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks for the help, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Hi Cin, I was looking around online today and found the following page: http://threadsintime.net/id1.html Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 22 14:52:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MIqZL0019238 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:52:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9MIqPX8005528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:52:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9MIpERr056786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MIp8K0089619; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MIp0jx089376 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071022185057.QIVO3948.fep32.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:50:57 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.28]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071022185056.NBWB7439.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:50:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c814dc$7a0afc00$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:50:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.28] at Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:50:56 +0200 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] danish costume museum online X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94318258-dff7-4b2a-b191-a990beab6aa0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471CF169.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are = on wiev on the danish costume museum. http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of the = costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear = besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern = cuts and also zoom in Have fun! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 22 20:30:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N0Ud0l027313 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:30:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9N0UUf7018005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:30:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9N0T8Ae003957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N0StHQ071253; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi185.prodigy.net (flpi185.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N0Spmf071200 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.252.116] Received: from [75.45.252.116] (adsl-75-45-252-116.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.252.116]) by flpi185.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l9N0SoCD013036 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:28:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <6527B3ED-A936-4B65-B08F-AA5E529C9753@faucet.net> References: From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:29:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Tudor costume and effigies database update X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0f1e482-8737-4c19-b65e-b89664943797 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471D40A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Begin forwarded message: > From: Jane Malcolm-Davies > Date: October 22, 2007 3:26:33 PM GMT-04:00 > To: Effigies2 > Subject: COSTUMER'S INFO: Tudor costume and effigies database update > Reply-To: costumeinfo@yahoogroups.com > > I am pleased to announce the addition of new effigies to the Costume > Research Image Library (CRIL) at a new, user-friendly web address: > www.tudoreffigies.co.uk. Please visit, take a good look at the 36 new > effigies (all of which are in Sussex churches) and do send me > feedback. I > would like to know: why are the effigies interesting to you, how > you will > use the information they provide, and how can the database be > improved? If > you are in touch with other people who would like to know about the > Tudor > effigies available online, please pass on this message. If you > manage a > links page for a relevant website, please add > www.tudoreffigies.co.uk to it. > Thanks for your interest and, to previous database users, thanks > very much > for your patience while the address change and upgrade have been > happening! > A third phase of research in Essex is underway (thanks to the Pasold > Research Fund). Your comments help the project progress and provide > sound > evidence for future grant applications. The research centre at > Winchester > School of Art is coming to an end after five successful years. This > means > that the database needs new funding or rehoming! Regards, > Jane M-D (Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies) > jane@jmdandco.com > >> . > > __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 22 20:54:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N0snoi028016 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:54:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9N0seVl002816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:54:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9N0r2WE007969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N0r0nZ093915; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.225.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N0qvid093805 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20071023005252b1400cscnde>; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:52:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000801c814dc$7a0afc00$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000801c814dc$7a0afc00$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <639774c45b943b703694625ffefd268b@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:52:47 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b533369-6c0b-4815-abfe-1f306a3f5d5d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471D4650.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Those are awesome, Bjarne. Thanks for sharing. Wish I could understand the description. Sylrog On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are > on wiev on the danish costume museum. > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html > Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of > the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear > besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern > cuts and also zoom in > > Have fun! > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 01:45:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N5jvw8002919 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:45:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9N5jmQx003116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:45:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9N5iZ0h042065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N5iVCf051441; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N5iRQe051386 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:44:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1IkCYx2l9p-0003Ti; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:44:27 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c81537$ac6fece0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:43:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+o0BVxW8Rn2tzktLvG0s8b6NnDCm8pmGkEpFT ErN4x5kbms7NGUS0fRsxwPUoaDYxEAdA/GBR1u7NLHfnUBGUok hBTnCPNy1F7ObQaVOEasw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] King Tut Exhibit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3f029b0-c68e-4cff-9787-cc74733f043f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471D8A8C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In Sept. I went to see the King Tut exhibit at Philadelphia. No one = could take photos inside the exhibit. But I wanted to show you the = front steps of the Franklin Institute where the exhibit was, = http://www.costumegallery.com/Philly/tutstepslg.jpg . I am so silly...I = didn't notice this on the museum's steps when we arrived. We crossed = the street and my husband said, "Look at the steps!" Many thanks to those who told me to rent the headsets. It was really = nice. The first part of our trip we stayed at a hotel downtown to get = the VIP package King Tut tickets. This was really nice. There was a = special reception area at the museum with refreshments. We also did not = have to wait in line. We by-passed all line stops that regular ticket = purchasers had. This really helped my aching back. We walked around = downtown Philly the previous day. As for the exhibit, I was really impressed. I was really thrilled to = see many of the artifacts that I had only seen on TV, books or in art = history class slides. The artifacts looked exactly like they did in = those previous mentioned versions. So many times I go to exhibits and = the artifacts look nothing like the photos. =20 My husband has been to the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. He enjoyed the = exhibit but not as much as I did. He is back out on the road again with = his job. Now that the kids are all adults but one, I hope to join him = on the international trips. He has one trip planned for Korea and Japan = for February. He really doesn't suggest Korea in February, but he = suggests that I meet him in Japan. =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 02:59:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N6x7To026230 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:59:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9N6wwRn027733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9N6vpCI047596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:57:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N6vf7f009722; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:57:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net (alnrmhc16.comcast.net [204.127.225.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N6vb38009555 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200710230657.l9N6vb38009555@net.indra.com> Received: from nunnweinberg1.comcast.net (c-24-245-56-177.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.245.56.177]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20071023065732b16006t5coe>; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:57:32 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:54:54 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem In-Reply-To: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net> References: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3cf86d52-55a2-4580-ad1d-de265738f7c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471D9BB2.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I actually managed to get a grease stain out with some corn starch applied rubbed into it after it had been wet. It made a mess but the stain came out after it had been washed. Oddly enough I had been thinking of the H-Costume thread on the cornmeal through people's hair for cleaning, when they don't wash it in the normal way... Cheers, Danielle At 08:59 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote: >I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the >list often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I >thought I'd see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has >been through the wash twice and treated with spot removers and other >stuff and still remains. I may have to give up on it but I thought >I'd see if someone has had good luck with some product haven't tried. > >Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 03:41:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N7fftx030902 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:41:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9N7fWIs021922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:41:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9N7exXu052157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N7ewQp047519; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:40:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3f.socket.net [216.106.88.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N7espN047475 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:40:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E291B4010D for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:40:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <639774c45b943b703694625ffefd268b@ntw.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 156f40df-387c-4a8f-bff1-721175f3a8b9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471DA5AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne, What season was this dress worn? http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=57 Is it for a special occasion? De -----Original Message----- On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are > on wiev on the danish costume museum. > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html > Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of > the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear > besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern > cuts and also zoom in > > Have fun! > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 04:19:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N8J1Sb004374 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:19:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9N8Iqlq021414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:18:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9N8Hijc057221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N8Hf4o082029; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.200.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N8HcqE081909 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200710230817.l9N8HcqE081909@net.indra.com> Received: from nunnweinberg1.comcast.net (c-24-245-56-177.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.245.56.177]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2007102308173201500gscgue>; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:17:32 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:16:32 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online In-Reply-To: References: <639774c45b943b703694625ffefd268b@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f57fd9e-f7d2-4e45-af42-b67c38f44805 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471DAE6C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO IIRC, it is the one that Janet Arnold talks about in the volume of Patterns of Fashion that covers the 18th century. She describes it as a travelling costume I believe. Someone's whose book is handy will have to confirm it for me however, since my books are still in boxes. Cheers, Danielle At 02:41 AM 10/23/2007, you wrote: >Bjarne, >What season was this dress worn? >http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=57 >Is it for a special occasion? > >De > >-----Original Message----- > >On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > > > For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are > > on wiev on the danish costume museum. > > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html > > Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of > > the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear > > besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern > > cuts and also zoom in > > > > Have fun! > > > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 04:58:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N8wChM010243 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:58:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9N8w3IX020618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:58:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9N8vTxO064247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N8vMEP028683; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:57:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N8vJnu028618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.24.221] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IkFZe-0004tZ-BK for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:57:18 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071023095536.03428c60@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:57:09 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online In-Reply-To: <200710230817.l9N8HcqE081909@net.indra.com> References: <639774c45b943b703694625ffefd268b@ntw.net> <200710230817.l9N8HcqE081909@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e274b35b-d448-43cd-a165-b336ac51f3f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471DB79B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 09:16 23/10/2007, you wrote: >IIRC, it is the one that Janet Arnold talks about in the volume of >Patterns of Fashion that covers the 18th century. She describes it >as a travelling costume I believe. Someone's whose book is handy >will have to confirm it for me however, since my books are still in boxes. > >Cheers, >Danielle > >At 02:41 AM 10/23/2007, you wrote: >>Bjarne, >>What season was this dress worn? >>http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=57 >>Is it for a special occasion? >> >>De It is not the same costume, but one of several that are shown on the Danish costume site. But yes, it is called a travelling costume in the Janet Arnold book. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 06:48:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NAmZV2029518 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:48:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NAmQuS013856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:48:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NAl8tv075663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:47:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NAl475018321; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:47:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9NAl26H018185 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73770 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2007 10:46:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iSQKrLazCPSs0hNJ1sSYuQwefZbMl4FC8BJH/FjM/zWAd97wyAw+qlrC6y63054geQRCGiiBURAFoub/x3m8sbJRarl5Yy4Rf62g2wIaFnnr4Kkt5xijtuAwey5V2aXrfo5IYAAaR24gEL5WM28BApfhdDJiZdBDaQ2U3RP6MYY=; X-YMail-OSG: m68MMmkVM1mQy2NSY_0TK96Q7.ona8GsLbUIgdWQRRoPdqjOZnUPbUaHtNgjtQ05GeRNLf2MzWEPQ81H.XuCpfOYbCg5xBmieasnotrGMP6F1b6mTok- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:46:56 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:46:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071023095536.03428c60@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <787291.73647.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7313281f-5980-479f-8720-50f8d872095f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471DD17A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO According to the site, this is a morning toilette ensemble. For recieving visitors while getting dressed and having hair done. Tania Suzi Clarke wrote: At 09:16 23/10/2007, you wrote: >IIRC, it is the one that Janet Arnold talks about in the volume of >Patterns of Fashion that covers the 18th century. She describes it >as a travelling costume I believe. Someone's whose book is handy >will have to confirm it for me however, since my books are still in boxes. > >Cheers, >Danielle > >At 02:41 AM 10/23/2007, you wrote: >>Bjarne, >>What season was this dress worn? >>http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=57 >>Is it for a special occasion? >> >>De It is not the same costume, but one of several that are shown on the Danish costume site. But yes, it is called a travelling costume in the Janet Arnold book. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Canada Messenger at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 08:13:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCDnML032199 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:13:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NCDeJH010691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:13:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NCCLkh090115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCCI8T005508; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MHcwMR085440 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AFF436103AA; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:37:56 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <003f01c81394$89b3ab00$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <20071021134357.bm4iuiv3ksw8cs84@www.goldsword.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:38:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c814d2$67975dc0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgUCflOWQqyQjgyTwGLAMevE7mwjQAyAAlg In-Reply-To: <20071021134357.bm4iuiv3ksw8cs84@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1144a18a-cb08-41d8-b4e2-06091673e629 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471DE574.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Maybe contacting churches in this area would help. They may have kept a copy of the photo for their archives. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:44 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting 1890s Group Photo Oh, yeah ... Quoting Penny Ladnier : > > F. I don't know if this is a ghost part of the photo or a blur. It > is of a man on a horse. > G. I am not sure if this is two ladies or one lady who moved while > the photo was taken. Folks were probably moving. General exposure times were a couple of minutes. susan (who does Genealogy and collects Old Photos in her Copious Amounts of Spare Time!) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 08:14:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCEdx8032215 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:14:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NCEUOu011537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:14:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NCE8CR090432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCE8NP007821; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1e.socket.net [216.106.88.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MJei4D058542 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A1093B040 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:40:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Vendor: Threads in Time Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:41:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: af1578f6-6c74-4519-9034-72333326bff0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471DE5A6.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO First time I heard of them. How authentic is she wanting? Most of the costume side is a basic that can be upgrade. The silver satin looks more like something that would have been worn under a beaded shift and not with just a sash. It also apears to have darts which I don't recall seeing with 1920s flapper. Is she able to make her own? -----Original Message----- Gentle h-costumers, One of the gals in my dance company is looking for a repro '20s dress & has found a ready-made done by Threads in Time. I said I'd check with h-costume & see if anyone's bought from them. We hope to find out pretty quick if anyone's had quality, delivery or payment issues with the vendor. (I've never heard of them.) If you have any information about the return policy, if it doesnt fit or if she cant high-kick in the dress. (We dance a high-energy Charleston routine among other 20s dances.) Thanks for the help, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Hi Cin, I was looking around online today and found the following page: http://threadsintime.net/id1.html Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 08:16:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCGe0b032260 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:16:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NCGUGM007862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:16:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NCGCoQ090824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCGCPo010402; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MMCgYF044756 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200710222212350130094b1me>; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:12:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000201c814d2$e03fe2b0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> References: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net> <000201c814d2$e03fe2b0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8299ff22487460f2ea78d9fde646e946@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:12:28 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1f92f07-4127-461b-9837-d08c3d2bef20 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471DE61E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Simple Green works well on dissolving > automotive > oil My son's basketball got smeared by rolling under a car and it was > the > only stuff to get it off. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:00 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] cleaning problem > > I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the list > often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I thought > I'd > see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has been through > the > wash twice and treated with spot removers and other stuff and still > remains. > I may have to give up on it but I thought I'd see if someone has had > good > luck with some product haven't tried. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 08:17:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCHsKD032309 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:17:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NCHjcr016095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:17:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NCHL0s091055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCHKG8011801; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9MMpY32082392 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckenet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83525 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2007 22:51:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rHVgFLZ7s1TWDRxm4EvY58JfLkoSCA4kwKfzMlaO1tds/HZSb5iV8GBiM7DJ+IdoZr9OR6AviL+aoqcMm6SQyCIvm8c9oSccTKqr/VUSw+ND06C0w/gqGXZVHxBububeK6rmuY1JFI8+7v1jPVkVrm6btKCkX9Z/pyDQrC5y4CU=; X-YMail-OSG: oxJxOQMVM1lAI_SPWi6CgqUl1C4hBjC5ZN9yeYkNX1sPuD4xJ5Fuj1W28pn15LhQAmg5nL1WxQljllt5ZWrsk.yDprIEEdZYKC9a7eBlB6m4CkprtBE- Received: from [68.17.250.205] by web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:51:28 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenet Muir Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <5ccbf3db4d052d83b958a90c1c7c1e00@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <845174.83296.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b3713ab-11de-4138-986b-235312f3dceb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471DE669.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 08:19:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCJO0r032342 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:19:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NCJF3P017982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:19:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NCItbs091580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCIrls014008; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.157]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9N80RaM065990 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B27D3F777 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:00:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:00:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bd8e7e8-1c1e-4dea-8fde-a3372a3c6ec2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471DE6C3.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO By the way thank you for introducing the site. I love how you can zoom any of the garments. De -----Original Message----- On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are > on wiev on the danish costume museum. > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html > Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of > the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear > besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern > cuts and also zoom in > > Have fun! > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 08:25:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCPoRh032489 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:25:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NCPbd0025919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:25:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NCK8fL091851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCK7jt015622; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:20:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3c.socket.net [216.106.88.90]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NAESD3094120 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:14:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 328D1400B0 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:14:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:14:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071023095536.03428c60@suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 83f176ba-1da7-4120-a94e-ec043af620e2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471DE841.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 08:31:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCVeoo032686 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:31:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NCVPvB006979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:31:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NCUtcD094470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCUqZk028771; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCUkVA028490 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:30:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071023123040.TGYJ4762.fep33.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:30:40 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.28]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071023122902.QINP13366.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:29:02 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c81570$841c5970$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:30:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.28] at Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:29:00 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ddeb49a-c5a3-4727-b86b-bc4f843397f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471DE99D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, This outfit was used to wear from bed in the morning until you had finnished your toilette. It was timeconsuming to get your hair set and also to make your morning toilette, so this outfit was used. It was common to have visits of both ladies and gentlemen when you made your toilette. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online > Bjarne, > What season was this dress worn? > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=57 > Is it for a special occasion? > > De > > -----Original Message----- > > On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > >> For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are >> on wiev on the danish costume museum. >> http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html >> Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of >> the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear >> besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern >> cuts and also zoom in >> >> Have fun! >> >> Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 09:41:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NDfR6S002419 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:41:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NDeol6030646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:41:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NDNbT9008058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NDNYHN096815; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:23:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.tpgi.com.au (mail12.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NDNSmd096705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-87-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.87]) by mail12.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id l9NDNQme018325 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:23:27 +1000 Message-ID: <003501c81577$e45de770$57f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:23:24 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help finding a painting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f3c5a48-d084-4c1f-8f1c-5972425489e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471DF9E2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is not directly clothing related but does anybody know where I can find a painting that shows the visitation (the bit in the bible where Mary visits Elizabeth) with a sort of x-ray view where you can see both the unborn babies (Jesus and John the Baptist) on their mothers stomachs. From memory it's 14th or 15th century Italian and I think one mother is wearing pink and the other blue but I may be mistaken. I was talking to a friend about it but without an artist or reasonably unique title a google image search didn't turn up anything useful. To bring this back to clothing, I think it would be fun to recreate the painting by painting or printing a picture of a baby onto a dress. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 09:43:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NDhKKr002474 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:43:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NDh9Ae004538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:43:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NDesXS013914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NDerGv021650; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:40:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NDem5E021561 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so3574619pyi for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1sy9eKnG6Alay+T+zrZ2TGMANFQdHcB3myjO9GNycHc=; b=Z4p/SNJ8IvQRGeaGZ8bNhxyQz2P/UJZGFYWRvWcnddFMi+nQT6YHRZQHQ4UBbCVIZ3YPv8P+yKvcEc+WjDuTwN1nVIz+/exj9briLKiBZmaeTyuISWN0fuf3NudXn2WXGHRcJ6WuawtBggYwaXZlpEX4nfoeJb4CwAbah1awFi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sHHK5/g/mXlMHDXSxIlWIGmeZD66TjnJMIsJN4eugu6ihRZGuc2e55pUBK9Q2ODw4X4QwvQhQojxzGzxfz3wDOVV0p2a7D+2hpYdyM5uutYALz8459oG58tclKErw+WFYOu6nyV59R7Hmbg1xiRFG+nzmbWlLcks46D6h/6yPv0= Received: by 10.35.33.15 with SMTP id l15mr7540196pyj.1193146848441; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.98.14 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590710230640h39c3b8f9u2a28876b63ae7f47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:40:48 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem In-Reply-To: <8299ff22487460f2ea78d9fde646e946@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net> <000201c814d2$e03fe2b0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <8299ff22487460f2ea78d9fde646e946@ntw.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 447b42e6-6d3a-4f62-84b0-1d9db085ad70 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471DFA6D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 10:43:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NEhA6x004429 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:43:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NEh1lO029923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:43:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NCF6Na090622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:15:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NCF6g4009008; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9MJucxb081099 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JQB00FVNWPZABG0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:56:21 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online In-reply-to: <000801c814dc$7a0afc00$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 6cb48c27-7cfb-49c0-a903-6a59aa82ecf0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471E0875.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 11:53:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NFredG006749 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:53:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NFrVMT001830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:53:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NFq4ir045814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NFpjtD014015; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9NFpNr5013299 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200710231551.l9NFpNr5013299@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 7488 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2007 08:51:10 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 6976, pid: 7447, t: 7.7244s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m:42 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2007 08:51:02 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:46:49 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: new books on textiles and clothing from DBBC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: deefd6d9-790c-4b05-a26c-c73ae652cae3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471E18FB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:30:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00) >From: ian.stevens@dbbcdist.com >To: joanmj@surewest.net >Subject: new books on textiles and clothing from DBBC > >Dear Joan Jurancich, > >I would like to draw your attention to several books relating to >medieval and archaeological textiles and clothing: some new and >others on their way to us at great prices. > >Firstly, long-awaited, but welcomed nonetheless, we have just >received "Ancient Textiles: Production, Craft and Society", a >collection of papers dealing with textiles from the ancient world, >with plenty of medieval papers and a few stretching into the >eighteenth century. A full list of papers can be viewed by clicking >the link for this book below. > >Accompanying this book is a useful short guide: "First Aid for the >Excavation of Archaeological Textiles". Also available from us right now. > >Just published by our friends at Brepols is "Weaving, Veiling and >Dressing: Textiles and their Metaphors in the Late Medieval Ages", >which presents a collection of essays on textiles and the medieval Church. > >On their way to us from England are two Boydell books which we have >managed to acquire at extremely good prices: Gale Owen-Crocker's >"Dress in Anglo-Saxon England" which was released in a new edition >in 2004 and the Museum of London's "Medieval Horse and its >Equipment". 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The particular dress she's interested in is a "wink & a nod" at 20s. That's plenty good enough for this dance troupe. No, she's not able to make her own (she's a college student) & I dont have time to help them all into both 20s & Victorians. Thanks for the comments! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com From: "otsisto" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Vendor: Threads in Time To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" First time I heard of them. How authentic is she wanting? Most of the costume side is a basic that can be upgrade. The silver satin looks more like something that would have been worn under a beaded shift and not with just a sash. It also apears to have darts which I don't recall seeing with 1920s flapper. Is she able to make her own? -----Original Message----- Gentle h-costumers, One of the gals in my dance company is looking for a repro '20s dress & has found a ready-made done by Threads in Time. I said I'd check with h-costume & see if anyone's bought from them. We hope to find out pretty quick if anyone's had quality, delivery or payment issues with the vendor. (I've never heard of them.) If you have any information about the return policy, if it doesnt fit or if she cant high-kick in the dress. (We dance a high-energy Charleston routine among other 20s dances.) Thanks for the help, --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 13:42:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NHgw6m009820 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:42:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NHgmpJ027433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NHgQwA067054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NHgLjk069588; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9NHgFN1069359 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 70863 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2007 17:42:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=J2J2ZUmGfS2iFtJ6IfI2rRQd8ukIfUhFvD8jsuxJ3GF3+bgJ4LsIxK6MacGFpRRHD+PNCfjfVPGdZZKj5ZlWcHQ/tNbkHGdCtAOtxTlZmv39tVMiaGcGkDZnJY3EWhp2GCNwJbtNDXegz2H4SnQC6sX1E2hhmD28KQuwOISPBQ8=; X-YMail-OSG: Z_oAwJEVM1lhxg3zpV82RMXzZxlfPKfZV6MBEAtJV3nzdl5WyAfq3_1pfbHbSbsCVZfvEcL6oR_wN7vharAEVVWih4mziRmqdyapUuItCCqp5.iMGIE- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:42:10 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <201307.70307.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Rundschau Historische Schnitte HaKa (men) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f86c69b-dee8-40a7-b88c-fcc211aa24a4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471E3298.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi! I've just received my copy of this book, so just a few information: It has some few patterns on renaissance doublets, cape, and hosen. Then it has a few good-looking patterns for 18th century waistcoats and jackets and then many, many garments from the 19th century, coats, trousers and anything one would like to make. And many military garments, napoleon wars and younger. So, mainly for the 19th-century enthusiasists, though I found it very helpful for drafting men's fitted garments. The 16th century doublet pattern may be easily variated to earlier garments from the medieval period. The most fitted garments here are the waistcoats. They're also helpful, you just have to remember that the armhole and shoulder bit is enlarged. So when adding sleeves, make this part as in another pattern with sleeves. The patterns are very similar, so I think you can use incorporate more patterns in one. The good thing is that you won't need any basics for understanding. All slopers are explained. You'll only need to know how the measurements are called in English. Which is no problem if you write to the list:-) The shipping to EU could be about 12 euros, I think. But I have no Idea how much it is for America... Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 15:02:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NJ2NE0013825 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:02:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NJ2EOx005441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:02:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NIttis081667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:55:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NItZ8k073902; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NItLPT073421 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-229-214-252.nyc.res.rr.com [72.229.214.252]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l9NItCgW013283 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:55:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200710231014.l9NAEXZF094168@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thank you, Bjarne for the Danish museum site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ce35554-fe1b-4cc8-88b2-18292ac05b6f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471E4536.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 15:41:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NJfCcO015156 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NJf1J4025202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NJePxY089657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NJeGrX040283; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NH3DiA015152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51539) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IkN9k-0001uJ-ET; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:03:05 -0500 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20071023130304.1z43mctrgo4wo4ss@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:03:04 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help finding a painting References: <003501c81577$e45de770$57f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <003501c81577$e45de770$57f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1f23540-5271-4f6f-9978-7f363aced3d7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471E4E4D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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To bring > this back to clothing, I think it would be fun to recreate the painting > by painting or printing a picture of a baby onto a dress. > thanks Elizabeth, I have one like that, but I'm at school and it's at home. =20 I'll email it to you tonight. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 15:45:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NJjMcX015382 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:45:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NJjD95015080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:45:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NJioIK090455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NJil6Y046362; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4i.socket.net [216.106.48.206]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NJDQfA001973 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E6C7397E5 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:13:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:13:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002801c81570$841c5970$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8306a2bd-f554-47cb-be1e-6ae41aaebd06 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471E4F49.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 17:01:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NL1UnK017614 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:01:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NL1LDQ007098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:01:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NKt7av002264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NKt1hY041139; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:55:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NKsvE7040905 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:54:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c65.1ed790e9 (37544) for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D10 (fwm-d10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.202]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB025-92a8471e5f966a; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:54:46 -0400 References: <201307.70307.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rundschau Historische Schnitte HaKa (men) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:54:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <201307.70307.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: annbwass@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD Received: from 151.200.213.3 by FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.202) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:54:46 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9E3CE1410DF37-FF4-88E3@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.202 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: edc3375a-b401-48e8-825c-e47281c47e36 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471E6121.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The most fitted garments here are the waistcoats. They're also helpful, you just have to remember that the armhole and shoulder bit is enlarged. So when adding sleeves, make this part as in another pattern with sleeves. The patterns are very similar, so I think you can use incorporate more patterns in one. The good thing is that you won't need any basics for understanding. All slopers are explained. You'll only need to know how the measurements are called in English. Which is no problem if you write to the list:-) The shipping to EU could be about 12 euros, I think. But I have no Idea how much it is for America... Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 17:24:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NLOIBc018418 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:24:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NLO9gf000683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NLNOrZ006206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:23:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NLNJju076543; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NLNFlQ076347 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.10.241] Received: from [75.46.10.241] (adsl-75-46-10-241.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.10.241]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l9NLN8A8012125 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:23:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071023195407.HHVB8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <20071023195407.HHVB8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5394BF2B-29B7-4E04-8E31-1ED6E1C1E13F@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book: NESAT 9 is out! Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:23:22 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cfb18fb4-53f4-4fba-b509-35cf867e8bc2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471E6679.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Is there a table of contents somewhere online? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > I know that a few of you are interested in the NESAT (Northern > European Society for Archaeological Textiles) Volume 9 is now > available for order. > > http://www.archeotex.ch/aktuell.html > > I have ordered mine from the Swiss online bookseller.. but given > the way the post usually works, you will probably get yours before > I do. The price is 48 CHF (Swiss Francs) plus shipping. > > Beth > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 17:39:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NLdbkT018893 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:39:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9NLdSMD020521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:39:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9NLcgek008003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NLceFV094858; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9NLcW2t094691 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([71.162.23.231]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JQD008G0VXP6I40@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:34:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:34:34 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] help finding a painting To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <01f101c815bc$831a8f50$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003501c81577$e45de770$57f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1beb4afd-c6c3-469d-a973-fa7d04f258fa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471E6A10.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Elizabeth wrote: > This is not directly clothing related but does anybody know where I can > find a painting that shows the visitation (the bit in the bible where Mary > visits Elizabeth) with a sort of x-ray view where you can see both the > unborn babies (Jesus and John the Baptist) on their mothers stomachs. From > memory it's 14th or 15th century Italian and I think one mother is wearing > pink and the other blue but I may be mistaken. I was talking to a friend > about it but without an artist or reasonably unique title a google image > search didn't turn up anything useful. To bring this back to clothing, I > think it would be fun to recreate the painting by painting or printing a > picture of a baby onto a dress. The painting is "The Meeting of Mary and Elisabeth" by Max Reichlich, Austrian, ca 1513. It's up on Web Gallery of Art. I was interested in the jug and the beverage flask, but the fetuses doing the meet-and-greet between the pregnant bellies are what made the picture really memorable... Enjoy, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 21:02:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O12i5T023764 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:02:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O12Z9M029528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O11LFe035408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O11F6g004582; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas3.coqui.net (avas3.coqui.net [196.28.61.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O11ApN004388 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAO41HkdIMhTZdGdsb2JhbACOWQEwgTQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,320,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="1111635192" Received: from adsl-72-50-20-217.prtc.net (HELO MAQUINA) ([72.50.20.217]) by avas3.coqui.net with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2007 21:00:59 -0400 From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: "'Historical Costume'" , "'Historical Costume'" References: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net><000201c814d2$e03fe2b0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom><8299ff22487460f2ea78d9fde646e946@ntw.net> <870801590710230640h39c3b8f9u2a28876b63ae7f47@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] cleaning problem Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:00:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgV1YEkskRGhT7oTDOPJGc6qSzwLgAA2fOg In-Reply-To: <870801590710230640h39c3b8f9u2a28876b63ae7f47@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05b223a4-7f3e-4fb4-b1ea-9f7ea46c748e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471E99AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For grease; dab it with some GOOP hand cleaner, the one used by auto mechanics to wash their hands. Lightly wet it and then dab it if its too delicate the textile, if not just dab it and let stand for some while then rinse. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Alexandria Doyle [mailto:garbaholic@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:41 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem I've used Oxyclean on silk that my granddaughter spilt soda on, and it was left for years before I got it back to clean. It took several soakings with the cleaner but did come clean. alex On 10/22/07, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I tried spot remover, a laundry pretreater like Shout, and Zout. > Has anyone tried Oxyclean? > > On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > > > What things have you tried? Simple Green works well on dissolving > > automotive > > oil My son's basketball got smeared by rolling under a car and it was > > the > > only stuff to get it off. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:00 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: [h-cost] cleaning problem > > > > I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the list > > often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I thought > > I'd > > see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has been through > > the > > wash twice and treated with spot removers and other stuff and still > > remains. > > I may have to give up on it but I thought I'd see if someone has had > > good > > luck with some product haven't tried. > > > > Sylrog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 21:06:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O16MlZ023850 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:06:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O16D9c017737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:06:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O15kTH036243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O15kw2008945; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O0LWp3068240 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cd8.1e18fe5e (39955) for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:21:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:21:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73b1ea9f-e55e-405a-8c21-72a4434a48b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471E9A85.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 21:48:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O1miwk024761 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O1mYfh006952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O1kenl040016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O1kdKi042688; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O1kZLt042541 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=dnuCTl4axKhUQIMhP2l1FVKe0h3/0sTmhmqkvEWoqfYa6nZVJ286nWlgVkp3dLDw; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.98.140] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1IkVKI-0005qL-D0 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:46:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <003501c81577$e45de770$57f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <003501c81577$e45de770$57f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E906686-EB63-4F5F-AC32-B4EF0BE3D2A3@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] help finding a painting Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:44:06 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c39c86ec0e17f3e8443d9c53a55ab795f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.98.140 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 868d4c13-714d-4c46-82f6-bb639e505082 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471EA472.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:23 AM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > This is not directly clothing related but does anybody know where I =20= > can find a painting that shows the visitation (the bit in the bible =20= > where Mary visits Elizabeth) with a sort of x-ray view where you =20 > can see both the unborn babies (Jesus and John the Baptist) on =20 > their mothers stomachs. =46rom memory it's 14th or 15th century =20 > Italian and I think one mother is wearing pink and the other blue =20 > but I may be mistaken. I was talking to a friend about it but =20 > without an artist or reasonably unique title a google image search =20 > didn't turn up anything useful. To bring this back to clothing, I =20 > think it would be fun to recreate the painting by painting or =20 > printing a picture of a baby onto a dress. Fortunately or unfortunately for you, there is not just one such =20 painting -- it's a fairly common theme. However, my favorite is the one I made a "LOLsaints" picture out =20 of.... it's here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/claning/1057360496/in/=20 set-72157601285300832/ (P.S. Safe for work, but not for the humorless.... :) Now that I look at that one again, it's one of the type where only =20 one infant, the future John the Baptist, is actually shown. I do have =20= at least one that shows both infants. Aha! It's from REALonline =20= which is an excellent image source for paintings, sculpture, et =20 cetera in Austria. Go there, select "Bildthema" from the drop-down menu, and search on =20 "Heimsuchung Mariens" (without the quotes) and you will get well over =20= 100 Visitation paintings when you click on "Zeige Bilder" ("see =20 pictures"). The one I have in mind is their picture number (Bildnummern) #000225. =20= A direct link to just the picture is: http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7000108.JPG The information on the main site (which uses frames) says as follows: Tempera on wood, wing panel of an altar. Artist unknown, Upper =20 Austria, 1490-1500. Now in the collection of Krems Cathedral, Austria. Aha, here's another one: http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/=20 images/7001442.JPG Another altar wing panel, tempera on wood, by the "Master of the =20 Pfarrwerfener Altar", probably painted in Salzburg around 1425-1430. =20 Now in the Museum Carolino Augusteum in Salzburg. There's an interesting book stand in this one too: a detail is at http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7001444.JPG Others I saw in a quick run-through: http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7013861.JPG or =20 picture #012952 Each lady has a gold oval on her belly and I think I can see images =20 of babies in both. http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7013000.JPG or picture =20= #012305 This one's especially interesting, with the two babies seemingly =20 kneeling in the air in front of their mothers. http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7006475.JPG or picture =20= #008153 (I am sorely tempted to caption this one "MY halo is bigger than YOUR =20= halo...") http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7006314.JPG or picture =20= #004678 This one just has gold stars on both ladies' bellies. And there are at least a couple more. The one I made into a LOLsaints icon is also from REALonline, picture =20= #000907 Direct link: http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7002773.JPG Yet another altar wing panel, in tempera on wood by Konrad von =20 Friesach of K=E4rnten, 1450-1460. Have fun! ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 21:56:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O1ucs8024918 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:56:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O1uPZ3022250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:56:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O11Lvt035409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O11Gwk004595; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas3.coqui.net (avas3.coqui.net [196.28.61.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O11Aql004392 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAO41HkdIMhTZdGdsb2JhbACOWQEwgTQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,320,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="1111635192" Received: from adsl-72-50-20-217.prtc.net (HELO MAQUINA) ([72.50.20.217]) by avas3.coqui.net with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2007 21:00:59 -0400 From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: "'Historical Costume'" , "'Historical Costume'" References: <5011522ba5c43e266f8be55d389ed259@ntw.net><000201c814d2$e03fe2b0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom><8299ff22487460f2ea78d9fde646e946@ntw.net> <870801590710230640h39c3b8f9u2a28876b63ae7f47@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] cleaning problem Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:00:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgV1YEkskRGhT7oTDOPJGc6qSzwLgAA2fOg In-Reply-To: <870801590710230640h39c3b8f9u2a28876b63ae7f47@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b059c837-9897-44b6-b1ce-df3472f3d342 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471EA649.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For grease; dab it with some GOOP hand cleaner, the one used by auto mechanics to wash their hands. Lightly wet it and then dab it if its too delicate the textile, if not just dab it and let stand for some while then rinse. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Alexandria Doyle [mailto:garbaholic@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:41 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cleaning problem I've used Oxyclean on silk that my granddaughter spilt soda on, and it was left for years before I got it back to clean. It took several soakings with the cleaner but did come clean. alex On 10/22/07, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I tried spot remover, a laundry pretreater like Shout, and Zout. > Has anyone tried Oxyclean? > > On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > > > What things have you tried? Simple Green works well on dissolving > > automotive > > oil My son's basketball got smeared by rolling under a car and it was > > the > > only stuff to get it off. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:00 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: [h-cost] cleaning problem > > > > I know this isn't exactly costume related, but since others on the list > > often have problems cleaning costumes and antique clothing, I thought > > I'd > > see if anyone had a solution for a grease stain that has been through > > the > > wash twice and treated with spot removers and other stuff and still > > remains. > > I may have to give up on it but I thought I'd see if someone has had > > good > > luck with some product haven't tried. > > > > Sylrog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 22:32:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O2W6uM025663 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:32:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O2Vmc2012129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O2UpGb044262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:30:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O2UhC3078406; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O2UTGN078166 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=Pe8d6HK4vN5EBFpdmWimAW0WHOW6DQvrT28vtnZG2y5zjFfcra8ktS/J7LbBkFN+; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.98.140] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1IkW0m-0002qQ-0A for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:30:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <01f101c815bc$831a8f50$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> References: <003501c81577$e45de770$57f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> <01f101c815bc$831a8f50$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <310AEECA-E1F9-4180-A6B9-812F65121295@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] help finding a painting Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:28:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cefea1e3c85451dab6e8945876e2d3a36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.98.140 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ced0942-c750-49d9-b8ce-170c13a9f979 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471EAE94.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 23, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Helen Pinto wrote: > The painting is "The Meeting of Mary and Elisabeth" by Max > Reichlich, Austrian, ca 1513. It's up on Web Gallery of Art. I > was interested in the jug and the beverage flask, but the fetuses > doing the meet-and-greet between the pregnant bellies are what made > the picture really memorable... I have to admit, it's the only one I've seen where it looks like the babies are giving each other "high-fives"! ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 23 23:27:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O3RGsq027062 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:27:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O3R7t7000635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:27:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O3QNXU049392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:26:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O3QMQf023320; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:26:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O3QJkh023238 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.170]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071024032614.MZAP21683.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:26:14 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.170]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071024032613.LMWR8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:26:13 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:19:25 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book: NESAT 9 is out! In-Reply-To: <200710240230.l9O2UiMm078431@net.indra.com> References: <200710240230.l9O2UiMm078431@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20071024032613.LMWR8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 990cdcb3-aea8-457c-b580-c4dca6a7bd8b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471EBB8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Hope this helps, Beth >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:23:22 -0400 >From: Melanie Schuessler > >Is there a table of contents somewhere online? > >Thanks, >Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 00:46:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O4k5Fb028706 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:46:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O4jtkU027205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O4ifjC054651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:44:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O4ib2f076996; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O4iYOO076968 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1IkY6b031T-0004j8; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:44:34 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01c815f8$7d7bd7c0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum: mounting question Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:43:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+WUv1LY63zXHsW/eMMmilAujghnvFEhkPLZzz gz7K4iFtEGhR81atNjm2SeeV2SId86rm7LHmFJy0oPy/XajRHq OBjohN8mBytfD+b3PGW+Q== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4cbdac21-4959-4c76-b6cd-06b61241b54c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471ECE03.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Can anyone figure out how they mounted for display the ladies' costumes? Especially one like this: http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=119 Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 01:46:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O5jKCg029562 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:45:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O5jAXY002819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:45:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O5ibaE062449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O5iZ1U021445; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O5iWYk021318 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web05-z02 ([10.127.132.156]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071024054426.DPLN3962.cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web05-z02> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:44:26 +0000 Message-ID: <24423281.452131193204666676.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 1:44:26 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum: mounting question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f11c029e-d9d3-46df-ba94-8f0db8ce7a8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471EDBE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Just my .02 kate > Can anyone figure out how they mounted for display the ladies' costumes? > Especially one like this: > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=119 > > Penny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 01:51:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O5p3JX029675 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:51:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O5orjX017219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:50:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O5npav063158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:49:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O5nmmE025259; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O5msIG024578 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:49:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AC89306E01D8; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:47:53 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <639774c45b943b703694625ffefd268b@ntw.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c81601$8ca91a10$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgVSA7Jnsiox/bRQyyxQIfW9pXK1gAuU4RA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11075678-a040-4c96-accd-7c6e01674290 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471EDD3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And was it worn in public, or as the name suggests, only as a "Morning" dress, as I would wear my quilted robe around the house before dressing to go out? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:41 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Bjarne, What season was this dress worn? http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=57 Is it for a special occasion? De -----Original Message----- On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are > on wiev on the danish costume museum. > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html > Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of > the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear > besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern > cuts and also zoom in > > Have fun! > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 02:02:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O624BK030364 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O61thG025935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:01:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O61QRr064418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:01:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O61Oq7033137; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9O61L40033052 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66596 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2007 06:01:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ApWUO4L7J/hUSUHwvG8I6qoUj7XAMnB0kx6aKbTRrgwNEp2xL1CfEZGwIo2FWWOtzVdS9hXXV9hzJFtvw8IZmPk80+LGkv/p3q5YqkgaDArIlDj/2Kh+0D5kcXPpd/TWXTZSExJ0zkCy7ubgP6WbNa/VwsF3WDHx9eQ6XV3AwBk=; X-YMail-OSG: nhORVYkVM1mspSbIcziB1QbO2dHqKH9RbSc5BI_Twd4aDmjWAYUrltSk55pSBXhwqOn7ie3glPaGqK2WE2o4ljQfDBSH9xunBYfAxIDYvZYyGk6juRV2xGkfN2QV2kpM4HF8 Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:01:14 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] Rundschau Historische Schnitte HaKa (men) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <928329.65519.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d06056f-eebb-4b02-a475-d3a89eba98c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471EDFD3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.sautter-lackmann.de/lager/titel.php%3Fbn%3D523573&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DRundschau%2BHistorische%2BSchnitte%2BHaKa%26hl%3Den Wow, yes, this looks like it! Where did you get this link??? The price is much lower in dollars...wow...but check for availibility (and let me know):-) Otherwise all information is here: And you can read the earlier discussions. It's something with rundschau in the title:-) http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/rundschau.pdf Zuzana otsisto wrote: Is this it? http://tinyurl.com/2lv3rt or this http://tinyurl.com/2nzu53 -----Original Message----- i! I've just received my copy of this book, so just a few information: It has some few patterns on renaissance doublets, cape, and hosen. Then it has a few good-looking patterns for 18th century waistcoats and jackets and then many, many garments from the 19th century, coats, trousers and anything one would like to make. And many military garments, napoleon wars and younger. So, mainly for the 19th-century enthusiasists, though I found it very helpful for drafting men's fitted garments. The 16th century doublet pattern may be easily variated to earlier garments from the medieval period. The most fitted garments here are the waistcoats. They're also helpful, you just have to remember that the armhole and shoulder bit is enlarged. So when adding sleeves, make this part as in another pattern with sleeves. The patterns are very similar, so I think you can use incorporate more patterns in one. The good thing is that you won't need any basics for understanding. All slopers are explained. You'll only need to know how the measurements are called in English. Which is no problem if you write to the list:-) The shipping to EU could be about 12 euros, I think. But I have no Idea how much it is for America... Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 02:50:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6o3ke017590 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:50:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O6nog8028429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:49:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O6nK1s071144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6nIjx068196; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6nCRh068123 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071024064911.VZWO3948.fep32.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:49:11 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.242]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071024064732.QZJB13366.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:47:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c81609$fa01d540$f214a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:49:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.242] at Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:47:31 +0200 X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb96be06-b281-4790-8ff1-30f015cf005c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471EEB0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] danish costume museum online > So was the hood for covering an unmade hair do? > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > This outfit was used to wear from bed in the morning until you had > finnished > your toilette. > It was timeconsuming to get your hair set and also to make your morning > toilette, so this outfit was used. > It was common to have visits of both ladies and gentlemen when you made > your > toilette. > > Bjarne > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 02:56:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6uGID019035 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:56:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O6u6q8002014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O6tFMr071643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6tCGv072534; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net (alnrmhc12.comcast.net [206.18.177.52]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6t8xM072396 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20071024065502b1200b9acee>; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:55:03 +0000 Message-ID: <471EEC36.9070201@bovil.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:54:46 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum: mounting question References: <005b01c815f8$7d7bd7c0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <005b01c815f8$7d7bd7c0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39782cf6-11ff-4277-a3e4-9ce5bad01541 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471EEC87.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They could be fiberglass and painted to match the dress colors, or they could be clear polycarbonate. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 02:59:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6xt1d019845 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:59:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O6xjFP016389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O6xNTP071822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6xNj3075681; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O6xIcA075584 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071024065918.XIEO3063.fep31.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:59:18 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.242]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071024065918.DUZD9006.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:59:18 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c8160b$63d5b3a0$f214a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:59:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.242] at Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:59:17 +0200 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05152bdd-6894-4b35-9ddc-969c9b30e8c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471EED62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It > is > very surprising to see a plaid this early, in a bibfront dress! > > Thanks for sharing. > > Ann Wass > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 03:01:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O71sFR020305 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:01:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O71ioY007608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:01:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O71N3T072103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O71Mf5077676; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:01:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O71I87077495 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071024070112.UJWU3066.fep35.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:01:12 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.242]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071024070112.QBXC21904.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:01:12 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c8160b$a8473770$f214a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005b01c815f8$7d7bd7c0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum: mounting question Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:01:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.242] at Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:01:12 +0200 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d03736f8-9b70-497a-832a-fd47f4bf411f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471EEDD8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum: mounting question > Can anyone figure out how they mounted for display the ladies' costumes? > Especially one like this: > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=119 > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 03:12:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7C7m2021710 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:12:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O7BwCY012964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:12:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O7BM96076134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7BLCU089470; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5i.socket.net [216.106.26.217]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7BHj6089423 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DC6E7374E0 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:11:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Rundschau Historische Schnitte HaKa (men) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:11:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <928329.65519.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78af72d4-53f5-4c09-a934-c6f9dc3343a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471EF03E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It's something with rundschau in the title:-) http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/rundschau.pdf Zuzana otsisto wrote: Is this it? http://tinyurl.com/2lv3rt or this http://tinyurl.com/2nzu53 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 03:18:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7Ip7a023452 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:18:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O7Ig7x031332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:18:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O7INhv077207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7IM5l095767; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:18:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7IIRJ095712 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:18:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1IkaVN08TH-0004qr; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:17:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ExYF0GYVu6cjDnBgNqgsQXEJvgAvciEDOXNo q6FJHmsF8MO9F4YAtYjplSJvLOH8QFBKRyhhO/RWaZLKayyuSl A6+JRouzkZz3cOZwhZmsw== X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NYC Fashion District X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aee05c7b-b478-4ef2-bf23-66bd3180dea8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471EF1D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Some of = the locations are 300-500 blocks of Broadway, Worth St., Green St., = Leonard St. and White St. Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 03:32:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7W6no024367 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:32:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O7Vu11020876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:32:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O7VMBb078516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7VLYl007088; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O7VJmx007058 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmwbmwb@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so21284ana for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:31:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=m8gpQTy73m03Hu1H72bw1t5V1o478yhU02HZndQDASE=; b=sf1+gQjY3E5FEvfMOEOrrNpTHSetq/zy2j6Cxl4aKZRt6/poXHy26x9supgAJ8XXnjlfS1zJNScHDWoU08bFZDqw5IRRzhk7jyeuA4wG46tu1BfDjyGbLTQd2LlB6gSZdlS05Z+/KFh65fGMn9iP5ok2PzFzLPofnnhf3Cz6IcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OtXWFf7zB8U4kqgstLmrIT3NFnauPMT3v4D1gSQb21JFc2GVQhdBjPPVjAMpOLg1mNQby3NM3twOG+T90fC9lF2mzSy4aGqiGpeWuYXWYZwhG10X71LJRV/sNI2L5by6pi6zouITY6FFWqnrumfcqiMqUNadsaU0dmkvcmdbY1U= Received: by 10.142.213.9 with SMTP id l9mr23804wfg.1193211078172; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.212.1 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <228c7530710240031n18675223kf0e3934e287e6c7f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:31:18 +1000 From: "Barbara -_- M aren" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] help finding a painting In-Reply-To: <9E906686-EB63-4F5F-AC32-B4EF0BE3D2A3@igc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003501c81577$e45de770$57f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> <9E906686-EB63-4F5F-AC32-B4EF0BE3D2A3@igc.org> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd835d0d-fd5d-4e14-906f-5d4d74128f6c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471EF4EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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B arbara M arien _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 04:05:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O858gv027699 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:05:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O84uqs024579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:05:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O83mGu082317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O83iVx032894; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O83dFF032723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.31.85] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IkbDC-00077y-7n for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:03:34 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071024090129.0341a1c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:03:31 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4b13119-4ce0-48da-a894-ac3405550d29 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471EFCA8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 04:25:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O8PlmE031510 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:25:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O8PcjV001489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:25:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O8OqUU085541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O8OocE051087; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9O8Olq5050985 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44211 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2007 08:24:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SPBRE8i8vl1xskwSVfjsq910nTc/f0as0wADCVi5MNwnJm4tUxVwYv02BDNVpjydjMDhGIA/ueJJ+m4qOwsY3YI1ZxK+WGfPQ7aZPh0EcmqJ7RkhUUhTxL5u6rnH6tNbimfBuQmiG3r1hMJ4ZI6vFSfMFwhPGc3zJto/CG+ZdWc=; X-YMail-OSG: ft7DSR0VM1lbFuBHstszFdN1qXrZCOI4kGgwR_C4Z2WKmP6Ox9OEIdMg.JyWdIlkYiZzXZkcCWwWiaV3nzyM_TOI.d.PZHQ.sUaaZ6aomeGHR5NXregLwFsNrg6HeQ-- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:24:41 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <79707.43855.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Getting markings out of clothes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1dae2d17-259f-4f09-8eef-3449789d66e3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471F0182.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hiya all. I am in the process of making a shirt (not historical), that has been on hold for several years. When I started on the shirt, I used a wheel and tracing paper to get the pattern over to the fabric. It is white 100% linen. How can i get the marks out? it has been ironed a lot of times since then and I used a green tracing paper. I have not washed it yet, because I am afraid that will set the colour even better. Tania __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 04:30:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O8Unp3032638 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:30:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O8UevB003304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:30:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O8UNCM085828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O8UMue055213; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O8UJwd055165 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1Ikbd32Wko-0004mq; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:30:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:29:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/BIvVafHEohbgojlpJij7omgRX5+lXfay1dj2 YJfhJQIZwWgNmvcVL58yXktgkKf7ueA0SpqQm/VMJ9ThLq9vPK tQ1l9r8u08dPt/HNEmlzw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d03de1a5-b0f2-472c-b8ff-17c6713a74d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471F02B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 05:25:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O9PK3O008534 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:25:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9O9PAVY017945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:25:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9O9NqcD090332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O9NnRg095653; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9O9Nkhl095583 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c0e.186a2593 (39331) for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:23:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:23:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 41064da1-ad7c-485a-846c-da20e82ad5b0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471F0F77.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 08:08:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OC8HZe028551 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:08:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OC87g9015186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:08:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OC71DH007752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:07:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OC6vC3031027; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:06:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9OC6sD3030903 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 87639 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2007 12:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.165.154 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2007 12:06:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IUVPtUwVM1lJALYZsXh0sX8tOlKTV8UKs_HZ2oCBVQAUhtevppeLvf3_oIL3Ni5mnOwQYGp3o239i4NQjNeC4ggELPlX9fvWFKJxepibXUSf_8DRPEJQ Message-ID: <000201c81636$5a3aff00$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:56:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d9062a99-e48d-4299-a1e0-275a09d8edec X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471F35A7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I don't know about the 19th C., but there is one today around 2nd or 4th Street. I check it out every time we are in Philly. However, my mind is remembering that the present site is somewhat newer, as most of the old area was razed for re-development in the last quarter of the 20thC. There was one remeining store in the (?) area the first time I was checking out yellow pages listings. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District > Did Philadelphia have a fashion district in the 19th Century into 1905? > If so where was it? Does one still exist? I know that a couple fashion > publications were out of Philly. Also they were the largest producers of > baby caps in the U.S. during the 1890s. I am running across several > manufacturers in the area in 1905. > > I am putting all these listings from the jobber's manual into an Excel > spreadsheet. I am hoping to breakdown this book by state and city with > the software when finished. BTW, I am now west of the Mississippi now. I > have a couple of listings from Iowa!!! > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 08:20:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCK6OX028957 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:20:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OCJswK026700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:20:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OCJT1i009219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCJSiv041860; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCJP6S041807 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:19:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048B9700049 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:15:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <000201c81636$5a3aff00$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <000201c81636$5a3aff00$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710240815.59565.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05950e91-6edb-40a6-b0ff-8576379c974c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471F386A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wednesday 24 October 2007, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > I don't know about the 19th C., but there is one today around 2nd or 4th > Street. I check it out every time we are in Philly. However, my mind is > remembering that the present site is somewhat newer, as most of the old > area was razed for re-development in the last quarter of the 20thC. There > was one remeining store in the (?) area the first time I was checking out > yellow pages listings. The current district in the vicinity of 4th Street and Bainbridge (which is what I assume Kathleen is referring to ) is not, strictly speaking, a "fashion district". It's more of a fabric district; there are a concentration of good fabric sellers in that area. -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 08:27:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCRgXC029231 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:27:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OCRXwa004315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:27:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OCR1cW010173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCR0IM048382; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCQrnJ048236 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071024122653.IVXX3066.fep35.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:26:53 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.212]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071024122652.ORFN11474.fep46.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:26:52 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c81639$273634f0$d4e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thank you, Bjarne for the Danish museum site Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:26:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.63.231.212] at Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:26:50 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25be1d1d-54ce-42ea-8985-0d53b7c04503 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471F3A35.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Martha, If you find some costumes wich has smaller images further down to the right, there are black and white picture with patterns. Click on this and on top again appears a bigger picture of the pattern cut. Under this picture there is a link to a pdf file format where all the pattern cuts appears. Hope you can understand this! It is not all costumes that has pattern cuts, but for example manny of the 1700 ones has, - the very first with the huge hoop has. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Kelly" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] Thank you, Bjarne for the Danish museum site > Wow! Just lovely! > > When you say, "Also pdf files of the pattern cuts and also zoom in." do > you > mean sewing patterns laid out as in Janet Arnold? If so, how do I find > them? > > Thanks again for this treat. > > Martha > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 08:53:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCrjin030340 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:53:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OCrZw1005124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:53:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OCr28r013719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCr1Qi075208; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao01.charter.net (mtao01.charter.net [209.225.8.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OCqv0c075079 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aa04.charter.net ([10.20.200.156]) by mtao01.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071024125248.CDC18969.mtao01.charter.net@aa04.charter.net> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:52:48 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.240.42.201]) by aa04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071024125247.XQGR1254.aa04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:52:47 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <6527B3ED-A936-4B65-B08F-AA5E529C9753@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:52:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c8163c$bee50cb0$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcgVC9c9kJyE527VTl2NHopKCX5GNwBL5YWA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <6527B3ED-A936-4B65-B08F-AA5E529C9753@faucet.net> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1620's question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f7880be-e38a-4671-944c-374dae319e9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471F404F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I have a question.... My husband and I may have the chance to do a reading of the original Thanksgiving proclamation at our church on Thanksgiving, and thought it would be fun to dress the part. However, our usual is 1570's England, so we need to update our current outfits a bit. What is the best/easiest way to revise a somewhat later Elizabethan men's doublet and paned slops to update it to 1620's? I'm thinking a falling collar and big lace cuffs; what about a hat? Would a flat cap be approproate? or a tall hat? I am planning to wear a "generic" kirtle and semi-fitted overgown (maybe I'll finally make some sleeves!) with a black wool partlet over the ensemble, possibly a jacket (based on Arnold) and a linen caul for my head. Would I need another head covering over the caul? Thanks for any suggestions! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 09:58:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ODwcfW000509 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:58:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9ODwSCX013378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:58:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9ODvNP8026650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:57:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ODvJKX053645; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9ODvFJ1053470 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 37585 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2007 13:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.165.154 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2007 13:57:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7bmJ6ZcVM1kFydt.tR9gW0THk5jjht5pCk7Nkmwjm5cMLsXVUzN46QJvNEYYQzVGpsS97oroWzhCryEDUGCzYusjFM7cz9dlolhRj_zjTPuR3ZhKksn9 Message-ID: <002b01c81645$c4cd9120$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop><001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop><000201c81636$5a3aff00$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <200710240815.59565.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:57:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a750e07c-974f-4825-ad95-917411e86f01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471F4F84.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Right on! I read fabric for fashion. A favorite haunt when I am in town. Love the variety of shops and eateries. KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District > On Wednesday 24 October 2007, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: >> I don't know about the 19th C., but there is one today around 2nd or 4th >> Street. I check it out every time we are in Philly. However, my mind is >> remembering that the present site is somewhat newer, as most of the old >> area was razed for re-development in the last quarter of the 20thC. There >> was one remeining store in the (?) area the first time I was checking out >> yellow pages listings. > > The current district in the vicinity of 4th Street and Bainbridge (which > is > what I assume Kathleen is referring to ) is not, strictly speaking, > a "fashion district". It's more of a fabric district; there are a > concentration of good fabric sellers in that area. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information > available."-- Gregory Benford > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 10:55:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OEtXS8002450 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:55:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OEtOH9014894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:55:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OEs3fL035791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OErxih021173; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OErngE020917 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c7d.1698f64b (29678) for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:53:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:53:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620's question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4447fb02-9fe7-4052-91ad-1faf8cd1e4a5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471F5CDC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You might get away with the doublet, even though doublets by 1620 have risen to the natural waist [or higher] with no piece-cod and with long tassets, but I'd think paned slops might be too old fashioned. The plain hose of the period are not difficult to make at all. There are no cod pieces or anything, and they open either at both side seams or have a simple buttoned fly CF. Also old fashioned is the flat cap. A tall hat with a wide brim would be very helpful in establishing the period. If you have a doublet bodice, I'd go with that, and a full-ish skirt with a bulky petticoat and maybe even a round bumroll. All the conical shape of earlier skirts are gone by 1620. You sometimes see the overskirt pulled up in front [I did this once by tacking 3, 6" - 8" ribbons to the hem at CF and SF's and then to the waistband... all inside the skirt... letting the back fall as it may] revealing a contrasting skirt underneath. You too could even wear a tall hat with a coif underneath [on of my fave looks for women in this period]. Both men's and women's sleeves tend to be tight. You can unpick the inside arm seam and open it up all the way, or in 2 or 3 sections to show the chemise or shirt sleeve underneath... this will help the look. Falling bands and wide collars will be very helpful in stating the period you want to evoke. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 11:31:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFVnNX003788 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:31:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OFVZvM005977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:31:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OFULqV042953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFUGAD069189; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFUB8R068934 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c94.1a9b6120 (32915) for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:29:58 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: NYC Fashion District X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 336d0e7f-c481-48aa-9bfa-1810a519264c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471F6557.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Penny wrote: What are some of the names of the main streets in NYC fashion district? I am working on a 1905 jobber's pocket manual that lists various fashion related businesses, retailers, manufacturers, and mills east of the Mississippi River. I am just wondering if the streets list for businesses, etc. is what is called the fashion district today. Some of the locations are 300-500 blocks of Broadway, Worth St., Green St., Leonard St. and White St. These are not in the current Garment District. Some of these areas did still have fabric stores as late as 2001 (stopped working downtown after the attacks and I haven't been back). The Garment District is Westside upper 30's from Broadway over to 8th/9th Avenues. The Broadway addresses would be around 1400. Nancy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 11:49:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFnnEx004587 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:49:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OFneDp031045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:49:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OFn1k2045775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFmxmG094398; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:49:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFmuQ7094214 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DBB1087E6 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:48:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <471F6965.5030402@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:48:53 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620's question References: <6527B3ED-A936-4B65-B08F-AA5E529C9753@faucet.net> <001101c8163c$bee50cb0$6401a8c0@OurComputer> In-Reply-To: <001101c8163c$bee50cb0$6401a8c0@OurComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 026570c5-d3b7-4742-8dbc-f86e874155f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471F6994.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Well, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I have a question.... > > My husband and I may have the chance to do a reading of the original > Thanksgiving proclamation at our church on Thanksgiving, and thought it > would be fun to dress the part. Have a look at the Plimouth Plantation site: http://www.plimoth.org/ There are lots of photos of costumed interpreters to draw inspiration from. They've done a good job with the research and the clothing from the time period -- clothing worn by the settlers as opposed to the folks home in London. Somewhere they used to have a section on the clothing, but they've redone the site *again*, and I can't find it now. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 11:53:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFriVi004800 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:53:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OFrYPJ001731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:53:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OFrFrD046181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFrFA7099853; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFrBS2099674 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JQF00DZNAS5N880@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:52:47 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: NYC Fashion District In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ec6397f-0dc8-4343-aa88-d8e007b3d256 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471F6A7F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The remaining downtown stores -- what few they are -- are around West Broadway. The 9/11 attacks have been devastating to the garment industry. Today, most of the industry is off-shore (China, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia--- you know, the garden spots of the world where they employ child and slave labor and pay 38 cents a day... But I digress.) The fabric stores were hardest hit because so few people sew now, and whatever suppliers they had in the US textile the industry has dries up. There are a few nice stores on 39th over by 8th ave. But they are very expensive. Monica Works in Manhatten teaching fashion -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:30 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: NYC Fashion District Penny wrote: What are some of the names of the main streets in NYC fashion district? I am working on a 1905 jobber's pocket manual that lists various fashion related businesses, retailers, manufacturers, and mills east of the Mississippi River. I am just wondering if the streets list for businesses, etc. is what is called the fashion district today. Some of the locations are 300-500 blocks of Broadway, Worth St., Green St., Leonard St. and White St. These are not in the current Garment District. Some of these areas did still have fabric stores as late as 2001 (stopped working downtown after the attacks and I haven't been back). The Garment District is Westside upper 30's from Broadway over to 8th/9th Avenues. The Broadway addresses would be around 1400. Nancy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 12:09:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OG9OjU005332 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:09:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OG9FEk013199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:09:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OG8c3i048886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OG8Lvk020164; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OG88JL019689 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JQF00659BGZCO60@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:07:41 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620's question In-reply-to: <471F6965.5030402@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 706021ef-8ea7-4344-8d54-c0d6ee922519 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 471F6E2B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620's question Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Well, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I have a question.... > > My husband and I may have the chance to do a reading of the original > Thanksgiving proclamation at our church on Thanksgiving, and thought it > would be fun to dress the part. Have a look at the Plimouth Plantation site: http://www.plimoth.org/ There are lots of photos of costumed interpreters to draw inspiration from. They've done a good job with the research and the clothing from the time period -- clothing worn by the settlers as opposed to the folks home in London. Somewhere they used to have a section on the clothing, but they've redone the site *again*, and I can't find it now. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 12:36:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OGaBBC006467 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:36:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OGa275032023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:36:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OGXLkH054491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OGX5Am055401; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:33:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OGWxvp055035 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.25]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQF00KDZCMP88Q1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:32:49 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-62.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.62]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:30:21 -0300 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:32:45 -0300 From: SPaterson To: Historical Costume Message-id: <001801c8165b$82471270$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAKUQH0cYiUQ+/2dsb2JhbACCcoV/DA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="4.21,325,1188788400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="28000826" X-Antivirus: avast! 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Cheers Sarah Paterson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 13:08:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OH8MsQ007472 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:08:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OH8CpS006273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:08:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OH7ZCt065395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OH7Xl0004472; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4e.socket.net [216.106.48.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OH7Tgu004382 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 039F738C09 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:07:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620's question Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:07:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001101c8163c$bee50cb0$6401a8c0@OurComputer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 002fdcd6-806a-499e-a188-1eacc03dd86b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471F7BFC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Baroque Era. http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-follarkin1.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/j/p-johnson1.htm http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/j/p-johnson2.htm http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/opacdirect/3519.html 1600 and 1605 men http://www.costumes.org/history/quicherat/HenriIV.JPG 1628 http://www.costumes.org/history/quicherat/Elegantsalamode.JPG women 1613 and 1620 http://www.costumes.org/history/quicherat/MariedeMedicis.JPG 1620 and 1617 men http://www.costumes.org/history/quicherat/PortraitdumarechaldeSouvre.JPG http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/index.shtml -----Original Message----- Well, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I have a question.... My husband and I may have the chance to do a reading of the original Thanksgiving proclamation at our church on Thanksgiving, and thought it would be fun to dress the part. However, our usual is 1570's England, so we need to update our current outfits a bit. Thanks for any suggestions! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 13:37:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OHbkn6008544 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:37:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OHbVQT019133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:37:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OHaNlH071804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OHaHhR043971; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OHZkhf043288 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.103]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071024173540.PTFX29331.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:35:40 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.103]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071024173539.SAJB8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:35:39 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:34:43 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20071024173539.SAJB8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] cloth and clothing in Britain c. 700-1450 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0354fbd4-1b05-47dd-9376-cb86f00f5f11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471F82DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Some of you may not be aware of the Lexis Project (see below). For more information: http://lexisproject.arts.manchester.ac.uk/ The first publication is now available (see below for complete info): Medieval Textiles of the British Isles AD=20 450-1100: An Annotated bibliography. by:=20 Elizabeth Coatsworth , Gale R. Owen-Crocker Hope that this is of interest. Beth =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.arts.manchester.ac.uk/subjectareas/englishamericanstudies/academi= cstaff/galeowencrocker/ In 2006 Professor Owen-Crocker was awarded=20 =A3765,576 for a 5-year Research Project The lexis=20 of cloth and clothing in Britain c. 700-1450:=20 origins, identification, contexts and change by=20 the Arts and Humanities Research Council. The Project will produce a database of=20 terminology from all the medieval languages of=20 the British Isles: Old and Middle English, Old=20 Irish, Welsh and other Celtic languages,=20 Anglo-Norse, Anglo-Norman and Anglo-Latin and=20 will be illustrated with maps, drawings and photographs. Professor Owen-Crocker is Director of the Project=20 in association with Dr Cordelia Warr=20 cordelia.warr@manchester.ac.uk and Dr Louise=20 Sylvester louise.sylvester@uce.ac.uk The Project will employ two post doctoral=20 Research Assistants, one each at Manchester and=20 UCE BIrmingham, a part time Administrative=20 Assistant, and two part time technical staff. It=20 will fund consultancies on Old Irish and Old=20 Welsh and the services of an artist/cartographer. In addition the AHRC is funding a PhD in Art=20 History associated with the Project. The Project begins on 6 November 2006. * The Birmingham-based Research Assistant is Dr Mark Chambers. * The Manchester-based Administrative Assistant is Brian Schneider * The PhD student is Pamela Walker =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D BAR 445, 2007 Medieval Textiles of the British Isles AD 450-1100 An Annotated bibliography by: Elizabeth Coatsworth , Gale R. Owen-Crocker ISBN: 1407301357 9781407301358 , Price: =A336.00 DBBC $90.00 xi+201 pages; 43 b/w plates and drawings, 13 colour plates. The Manchester Medieval Textiles Project began in=20 1994, as a collaboration between Elizabeth=20 Coatsworth of Manchester Metropolitan University=20 and Gale Owen-Crocker of the University of=20 Manchester. Both had specialist interests in the=20 literary and material culture of the early=20 medieval period, and both were conscious of a gap=20 in general knowledge of an important and=20 all-pervasive part of that material culture,=20 through the relative inaccessibility of sources=20 of information regarding medieval textiles. The=20 Manchester Medieval Textiles Project developed=20 with two objectives, both attempting to bring the=20 basic materials of the subject to a wider=20 audience. The first is to establish a catalogue=20 of all medieval textiles in the British Isles.=20 This starts from the needs of a seeker after=20 specific textiles, or textile objects, who will=20 also be interested in the context of discovery,=20 and will be accompanied by a glossary of textile=20 terms relevant to the finds. The catalogue will=20 be published in due course on the internet, as a=20 searchable database, the most useful form for=20 those who want to devise their own, new, research=20 questions of this material. The second objective=20 was to produce this annotated bibliography of=20 publications relevant to these textiles. It is=20 intended to show the range of sources available=20 to the historian of material culture, who wishes=20 to consider the evidence from the surviving=20 textiles, and whether specific publications will=20 have the kind of information they seek. Both=20 parts of the Project should enable those=20 interested in this material to see what materials=20 comparative to their object of interest exist=20 throughout the British Isles and Ireland; and the=20 differences between cultural areas should also be=20 more readily apparent. With Glossary; Annotated=20 Bibliography of textiles of the British Isles c.=20 AD 450-1100; List of find sites and present=20 locations of textiles of the British Isles c. AD=20 450-1100; List of find sites of textile tools and=20 other evidence of textile manufacture from the=20 British Isles c. AD 450-1100 and comparative=20 evidence from Europe; List of garments attested=20 among textiles of the British Isles c. AD=20 450-1100; List of non-clothing textiles attested=20 from the British Isles c. AD 450-1100; List of=20 historical persons associated with textiles named in the text; General= index. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 13:48:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OHmNfp009032 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:48:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OHmEA9002171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:48:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OHlLgs074875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OHlHTt059920; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OHl9Vw059667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.17] (209-148-118-17.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.17]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l9OHku2s009886 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:46:59 -0700 Message-ID: <471F8503.9010706@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:46:43 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9a08672-596c-4747-a647-bd73cd75a298 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471F855E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Philadelphia had a stocking hosiery industry. My mother's family worked in it. My mother, BTW, was old enough to be my grandmother; or at least, she was from the generation previous to my father's. She and all her relations are dead now, so there is no one I can ask for further info. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Penny Ladnier wrote: > Did Philadelphia have a fashion district in the 19th Century into 1905? > If so where was it? Does one still exist? I know that a couple fashion > publications were out of Philly. Also they were the largest producers of > baby caps in the U.S. during the 1890s. I am running across several > manufacturers in the area in 1905. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 14:35:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OIZAfB011760 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:35:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OIZ15k006045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:35:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OIYJqW085983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OIWJdj023643; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OIVLdc022123 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20071024183113m1200gv6r6e>; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:31:13 +0000 Message-ID: <471F8F67.9090901@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:31:03 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting markings out of clothes References: <79707.43855.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <79707.43855.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 100bab80-7e49-4697-957d-e6ca0d48c9c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471F9055.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Tania Gruning wrote: > Hiya all. > > I am in the process of making a shirt (not historical), that has been on hold for several years. > When I started on the shirt, I used a wheel and tracing paper to get the pattern over to the fabric. > It is white 100% linen. How can i get the marks out? it has been ironed a lot of times since then and I used a green tracing paper. I have not washed it yet, because I am afraid that will set the colour even better. > 1. Mark some scraps to test-clean. 2. Run one through your normal wash cycle. If it works you're home free. 3. Try mixing up some oxy-clean with water and soak a test scrap in it. It may knock out the color. 4. Try Synthrapol SP. It's a de-greaser and removes stray pigment, and is commonly used before dyeing fabrics. 5. Try a mild chlorine bleach solution. Linen can usually stand up to that. Synthrapol SP from Dharma: http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/2127-AA.shtml andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 16:38:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKcwLF017295 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:38:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OKcmnE004297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:38:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OKbcmL023575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:37:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKbLAv097910; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:37:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ODfSku036156 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.244.20] Received: from [75.45.244.20] (adsl-75-45-244-20.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.244.20]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l9ODfM9I030430 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:41:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071024032613.LMWR8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <200710240230.l9O2UiMm078431@net.indra.com> <20071024032613.LMWR8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A8705BE-5D17-46F9-A350-A89F1C0788DE@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book: NESAT 9 is out! Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:41:34 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79b18416-4a30-4847-9c53-e171dfa2ce4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 471FAD58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It does! Thanks so much, Melanie On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > I haven't found a full list but these are in it: > > <...> > Hope this helps, > Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 16:39:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKdTr8017314 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:39:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OKdKjY017808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:39:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OKd1gC023989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKcwf3000423; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ODkUrg041491 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.103]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071024134624.YJAB19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:46:24 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.103]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071024134624.OYVO8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:46:24 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:45:35 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071024134624.OYVO8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Romanian costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82a82208-5f7c-4d8a-91a5-6bc1664fc8cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471FAD78.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheers Sarah Paterson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 16:43:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKh6ge017539 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:43:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OKgvhn030052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:43:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OKgUCY024589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKgP2m004950; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OFw51e006213 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-67-166-43-144.hsd1.co.comcast.net[67.166.43.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20071024155759m1200gpbjte>; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:57:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <10b6d361586c8785d0c24756e86b579a@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: NYC Fashion District Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:57:58 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e61410d-3647-457a-b9c8-eb0b6e873779 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471FAE51.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Anyone know if this is true in the Los Angeles garment district as well? I haven't been there since before 9/11. It's gotten very difficult for us theatrical costume designers to find the fabrics we need anymore for our productions. Sylrog On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:52 AM, monica spence wrote: > The remaining downtown stores -- what few they are -- are around West > Broadway. > > The 9/11 attacks have been devastating to the garment industry. Today, > most > of the industry is off-shore (China, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia--- you > know, the garden spots of the world where they employ child and slave > labor > and pay 38 cents a day... But I digress.) > > The fabric stores were hardest hit because so few people sew now, and > whatever suppliers they had in the US textile the industry has dries > up. > > There are a few nice stores on 39th over by 8th ave. But they are very > expensive. > > Monica > Works in Manhatten teaching fashion > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:30 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: NYC Fashion District > > > > Penny wrote: > > What are some of the names of the main streets in NYC fashion > district? I > am working on a 1905 jobber's pocket manual that lists various fashion > related > businesses, retailers, manufacturers, and mills east of the > Mississippi > River. I am just wondering if the streets list for businesses, etc. is > what is > called the fashion district today. Some of the locations are 300-500 > blocks > of Broadway, Worth St., Green St., Leonard St. and White St. > > > > > These are not in the current Garment District. Some of these areas > did > still have fabric stores as late as 2001 (stopped working downtown > after the > attacks and I haven't been back). The Garment District is Westside > upper > 30's > from Broadway over to 8th/9th Avenues. The Broadway addresses would > be > around > 1400. > > Nancy > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 16:43:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKhWAC017549 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:43:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OKhN9Y025524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:43:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OKh6gs024729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKh2NR005719; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai04.charter.net (mtai04.charter.net [209.225.8.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OGHF15032105 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mtai04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071024161706.UTSO12338.mtai04.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:17:06 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.240.42.201]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071024161706.NRLD14098.aarprv06.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:17:06 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <6527B3ED-A936-4B65-B08F-AA5E529C9753@faucet.net><001101c8163c$bee50cb0$6401a8c0@OurComputer> <471F6965.5030402@reddawn.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620's question Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:16:49 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c81659$487bea40$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcgWVXpNE+Poy8fTQZySmxuT0jQgdwAA8I+w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <471F6965.5030402@reddawn.net> X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 6021ffec-5f74-4484-85bf-9c695e596f2f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471FAE6B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Duh - I should have thought to check out Plimouth! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:49 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620's question > > Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > Well, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I have a question.... > > > > My husband and I may have the chance to do a reading of the > original > > Thanksgiving proclamation at our church on Thanksgiving, > and thought > > it would be fun to dress the part. > > Have a look at the Plimouth Plantation site: http://www.plimoth.org/ > > There are lots of photos of costumed interpreters to draw > inspiration from. They've done a good job with the research > and the clothing from the time period -- clothing worn by the > settlers as opposed to the folks home in London. Somewhere > they used to have a section on the clothing, but they've > redone the site *again*, and I can't find it now. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 16:46:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKk1Kr017746 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:46:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OKjpjB021155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:45:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OKjPGH025198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OKjKGR008636; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9OKjCZK008363 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 50299 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2007 20:45:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3jHy7aeMBvxRgxhc9s637BJ/NPHa9gDDTR0mUQXqaq84mGdIdtOvfLtJlJjh/wVsVRiJ5cqILf144IKVtRvZ0iLrocPTQUxgrMPCndmh6jbLZImfgG6sOXArBTRhxuauyMBWBR0LLLDUCfB6we2i/DbRsZKa74KBK6lI0XPrySw=; X-YMail-OSG: 2YhQlfIVM1loY5P8QWGQNZeZvAWA8PwJHAOXoiVPf79YoKs5PIQXFmCRFPCSs2CNn.F0uHFTZBMHfBuWOicO5q1PZZGftxTDY7kRkppGg2yvtrX5c2KwEf_EcvWVAQ-- Received: from [69.219.81.177] by web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:45:06 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting markings out of clothes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <79707.43855.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <816185.49901.qm@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e81d603f-30a6-4be8-b439-22146bbf56f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 471FAEFF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO When my Great Aunt passed over in 1999 I inherited all her stash and sewing stuff. (I know!! Lucky me!) In there were several shirtwaist type dresses which appeared to be in the style of the 60's which had been cut and marked in a similar manner. Since I wanted to reuse the fabric I just tossed it in the washer with cool water and it came out just fine. If the marks don't come out or aren't going to be hidden in the darts or seams perhaps you could cover them with embroidery or fabric paint. --- Tania Gruning wrote: > Hiya all. > > I am in the process of making a shirt (not > historical), that has been on hold for several > years. > When I started on the shirt, I used a wheel and > tracing paper to get the pattern over to the fabric. > > It is white 100% linen. How can i get the marks out? > it has been ironed a lot of times since then and I > used a green tracing paper. I have not washed it > yet, because I am afraid that will set the colour > even better. > > Tania > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 18:49:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OMnRC3022110 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:49:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9OMnIxe031082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:49:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9OMmE88042561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9OMm8pB043485; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9OMm40N043341 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31576 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2007 22:47:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=w6g6VfhHCEyxZz1uONJWFAEeo9b6WcTzbKX7Mjg+T/dtXtUmaXoCT5sYz31Bf6UwuvjSQq9wZI66z75qDRKvhtcoG/LvUVw+NELMzw3ef6VUTpmR/y1ud/e/Mi/hPodOJKPs4YfkE8GfTEdeKjyj9k0YEYFue/i7+sYwlD2NHa8=; X-YMail-OSG: pspPFrkVM1kMmBXuHrfNle_s05TfJ2DK7LZz5VOoXTSjbENhBi4nRvPClFcHSHzuTDiHaZlwSPfbINUKYXslAsngHfUx_NYwdOtFPGN9hy2WYnQeqHDVV8GJvef.3cNqiblPdM0TDyx8dcg9d56TDvBqLw-- Received: from [69.183.23.23] by web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:47:58 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000501c81601$8ca91a10$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <772366.30761.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th c. Quilted Items RE: danish costume museum online X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 255c3037-4c59-4ca4-86ed-6ab090212718 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 471FCBEE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- Sharon Collier wrote: > And was it worn in public, or as the name suggests, > only as a "Morning" > dress, as I would wear my quilted robe around the > house before dressing to > go out? I believe I read somewhere that some of the quilted jackets are cut from quilted petticoats. One quilted garment which was Not, is the beautiful sacque at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, a blue (iirc) gown with the quilting panel running the length of the pleats. It looked glazed, like the calamanco found in eighteenth quilts. Or otherwise moderately shiny. It was not in the relevant catalog (an exhibit of costumes related to seasons), and I cannot find it in the Met website. :( But it exists! Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 22:17:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2HuII027647 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:17:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9P2HkYA002576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:17:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9P2Gbxd060132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2GVr1092750; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2GRYE092711 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1IksGn38dN-0005rU; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c816ac$f65dd670$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop><001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <471F8503.9010706@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:15:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19kuBQdP8F7daQbOjcbuZn0J6yPmrVB3Btodci os+hs4tOqPzoiR9zripCks95k4COa1L5mNW0pjAwxznNGy95F0 sCUofuQEaijyD3uQaeGkA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 720ae0c1-c6d6-4551-8065-6a4dc1358342 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 471FFCCA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran, Do you know the name of the company that your mother worked. I will check the name against my list. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 22:30:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2UNx7027949 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:30:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9P2UDbF023993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:30:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9P2TpuC061221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2Tnf5002605; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2TjCd002497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:29:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.86] (209-148-118-86.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l9P2ThHv030049 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:29:44 -0700 Message-ID: <471FFF97.3070702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:29:43 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop><001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <471F8503.9010706@lavoltapress.com> <000301c816ac$f65dd670$6701a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <000301c816ac$f65dd670$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb6b1a0c-6035-4bc4-afae-a7b56b4138e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 471FFFB5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My mother never worked in the hosiery mills. Her father was a clerk in one of them, and her mother might have worked in one before marriage, I'm not sure. I think the Philadelphia hosiery business collapsed during the Depression. I know very little about my mother's family, they were mostly dead before I was born. Fran Penny Ladnier wrote: > Fran, > > Do you know the name of the company that your mother worked. I will > check the name against my list. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 24 22:37:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2bjLX028088 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:37:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9P2bY5T008830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:37:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9P2b5Vi063415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:37:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2b54r010313; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P2b2Pf010289 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1Iksaj0dP5-00064M; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c816af$d6c37240$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop><001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop><471F8503.9010706@lavoltapress.com> <000301c816ac$f65dd670$6701a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:36:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/R9my6pbwbgiQlIllnKEPeE3rHuoaQoG8JGlb fiyYoT6Hixu9Zu6cYx0rnThwik19TlICoFs7WP/N4TS7xlwrVr Sf4r3hVEORqYiiJltoQLQ== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2a17870-554c-4aaa-b32e-f16b53aef225 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4720016E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here are some of the Philly addresses: 2623 Bodine St. Coral St. 18 Strawberry St. 617 Chestnut St. 7th St. 2nd Ave. & St. York & Jasper Sts. Indiana Ave. 235 Chestnut St. 1226 Orkney St. Cedar St. 119 N. 4th St. 17th St. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 00:10:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P4AKhk029866 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:10:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9P4ABgH016784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:10:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9P48bgl070593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P48Xrr071551; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5j.socket.net [216.106.26.218]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P48S3E071496 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5256537844 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:08:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] another soucre for pictoral research Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:08:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 in-reply-to: <001801c8165b$82471270$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1f249e6-4d48-4358-a5aa-226e1b63ee09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47201723.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just registered. The have Property from Aristocratic Families including Coaches from a Royal Stable. I'm going through some of the paintings. De -----Original Message----- I am subscribed to Sotherby's Auction Catalogue Online and this week they have sent me one called "Important British Paintings". You have to sign up to fully browse the site but if you do you can get really close up views of the paintings. There are several Elizabethan paintings and Bjarne, many nice 18th Centiry portraits. Since they are up for auction, they may not be available for public viewing in the future. http://www.sothebys.com/app/paddleReg/paddlereg.do?dispatch=eventDetails&eve nt_id=28387 I am still browsing...hope you enjoy. Cheers Sarah Paterson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 02:05:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P65Rkd001410 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:05:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9P656xf013977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:05:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9P63dFe080473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P63ZkP040889; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9P63VMf040857 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1IkvoY1Mue-0004mc; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:03:31 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c816cc$af2c61c0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop><001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <471F8503.9010706@lavoltapress.com><000301c816ac$f65dd670$6701a8c0@momlaptop> <471FFF97.3070702@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:02:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+waEKh7JaCht74EwOtkGolXGvSCNjZWP9T13c h1+0k9b7s4Xzvzj3WgbXK/PQA6w/t+zs+CV+SO/gSgWHmzb5Mu E6yQ+WZOim395ew68sCiA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 195264fc-21e3-427f-ad8c-7281f2542a00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47203212.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The only listing in this book named "Philadelphia" is the Philadelphia Tapestries Mill. As for hosiery: Allegheny Hosiery Mills AND Thomas Buck Hosiery Co. I am only 1/4 of the way typing the book and have 250 businesses listed. I will probably run across more hosiery mills/dealers. This book was printed by The National Wholesale Dry Goods Association. It does not list every fashion related business but does include other manufacturers of scissors, hooks-and-eyes, etc.. With this book I don't know what type of business except if mentioned in the business title. This project will take years to find out what kind of businesses these are. Sometimes it might call for trips to the cities to research records. Earlier this month in South Carolina I was doing research for genealogy and the SC/NC textile mills. I pulled probate records on my g-grandfather Usher. When the clerk handed me the records, they were about 3" thick. The other records pulled were about 1/3" thick. Some of the his papers were fragile and I handed them to the clerk to copy. G. Usher was murdered in 1902 and I thought maybe they were so thick because of details of the murder. The clerk was giggling while photocopying these records. I came out and she had some other clerks and attorneys looking at the records. Generally there is a list of household property to be sold to settle the deceased debts. In G-Usher's list was large amounts of muslin, 100+ prs. of shoes, etc. I asked to look at some of his records and discovered that he owned a dry goods store. The 100+ shoes was listed as part of his store's merchandise inventory. On my last day in the trip, I went back to the Admin bldg. to see if I could find out the name his store via tax records, etc. The person I needed to talk with had left early. His assistant told me to check with building and zoning. I to the office and asked if they had records for a 1902 dry goods store. Okay, the whole office was laughing then. They asked what is a dry goods store. I explained. Then they told me to go back archives and ask for the person that I had missed. All is not lost... I stayed an extra day to meet with this man in archives. Now I have them feeling guilty...the asst. said she would have him pull the records and copy them for free. My mother's grandfather also owned a dry goods store around the same time frame in central Alabama. She lives in that area. I am going to ask if she can find an inventory list in his probate records. I have been researching dry goods stores for the past two years or so. I was thrilled to find an inventory of a dry goods stores. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 07:15:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PBFVZY028332 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:15:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9PBFMvB014847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:15:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9PBD2kX009820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PBCscX073564; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PBCpDq073452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.92.11] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Il0dp-0004AI-Df for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:12:46 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071025120324.034241b8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:05:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <772366.30761.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <000501c81601$8ca91a10$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <772366.30761.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] :Danish costume museum online/plaid dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55edf165-6aeb-4fdc-9eca-557fc58443a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47207ACA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A friend of mine visited the Danish Museum recently and took photos of some of the clothes on display there. She just sent me a photo of the child's plaid dress, with the information card clearly displayed. This stated that the dress is made of wool. Hope this helps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 09:09:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PD92ig032117 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:09:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9PD8pAK024609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:08:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9PD7dtv025870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:07:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PD7amk088364; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PD7Wkr088208 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071025130725.IPQN18081.fep30.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:07:25 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.178]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071025130545.SGEA13366.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:05:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c81707$fb275d10$b214a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c81601$8ca91a10$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom><772366.30761.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071025120324.034241b8@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] :Danish costume museum online/plaid dress Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:07:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.178] at Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:05:44 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a926ef39-17b7-476f-8589-6d3a10a5a25d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47209563.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Suzi, Do you know if this dress: http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=69 is on display at the moment? If so i really want to go out and have a look myself. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] :Danish costume museum online/plaid dress > > A friend of mine visited the Danish Museum recently and took photos of > some of the clothes on display there. She just sent me a photo of the > child's plaid dress, with the information card clearly displayed. This > stated that the dress is made of wool. > > Hope this helps. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 09:14:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PDE0NF032244 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:14:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9PDDlQr012767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9PDDOkY026536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PDDMtT094006; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:13:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PDDIW0093918 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from candace@schwenkfelder.com) Received: from WS2 (unknown [68.80.223.99]) (Authenticated sender: candace@schwenkfelder.com) by smtpauth01.csee.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDB01C8026 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:43:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Candace Perry" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000801c8160d$f4745630$6701a8c0@momlaptop><001a01c81618$03bd1a50$6701a8c0@momlaptop><000201c81636$5a3aff00$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <200710240815.59565.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:17:05 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001c81709$569307c0$0f00000a@Schwenkfelder.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200710240815.59565.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AcgWN+Tv2dOJF5aCTr2YglEMAIykrQA0RRWw X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9269deb7-4daa-4cd9-bf1d-50dfec740451 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4720968B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For those who are interested in Philadelphia "fashion" district, I consulted with a life long Philadelphia resident whose immigrant Italian grandfather was himself a tailor in the early 20th century, and he replied "that's the time that the immigrant jews and italians began to take over that trade from the german immigrants [meaning the late 19th century]....there were a couple of focus points, mostly in south philadelphia around the south street area, one remnant still exists, believe it or not, Fabric Row, on south fourth street, now it is about four blocks of stores between Bainbridge and Queen streets, some of them have been there since the early part of the century." Hope this helps. Candace Perry -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Philadelphia Fashion District On Wednesday 24 October 2007, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > I don't know about the 19th C., but there is one today around 2nd or 4th > Street. I check it out every time we are in Philly. However, my mind is > remembering that the present site is somewhat newer, as most of the old > area was razed for re-development in the last quarter of the 20thC. There > was one remeining store in the (?) area the first time I was checking out > yellow pages listings. The current district in the vicinity of 4th Street and Bainbridge (which is what I assume Kathleen is referring to ) is not, strictly speaking, a "fashion district". It's more of a fabric district; there are a concentration of good fabric sellers in that area. -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 09:53:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PDr2lI001221 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:53:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9PDqoOE024571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:52:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9PDoDJ0031845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PDoBfu032385; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PDo7Sq032206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.92.11] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Il361-0005GE-Km for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:50:02 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071025144843.0341c318@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:49:42 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] :Danish costume museum online/plaid dress In-Reply-To: <000401c81707$fb275d10$b214a150@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000501c81601$8ca91a10$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <772366.30761.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071025120324.034241b8@suziclarke.co.uk> <000401c81707$fb275d10$b214a150@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58defbce-5e1f-4993-80e4-4418a458f560 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47209FB2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 14:07 25/10/2007, you wrote: >Dear Suzi, >Do you know if this dress: >http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=69 > >is on display at the moment? >If so i really want to go out and have a look myself. > >Bjarne I can always ask her if she saw it. "Recently" was some months ago - why don't you phone the Museum and ask - most museums are really helpful. Suzi >>A friend of mine visited the Danish Museum recently and took photos >>of some of the clothes on display there. She just sent me a photo >>of the child's plaid dress, with the information card clearly >>displayed. This stated that the dress is made of wool. >> >>Hope this helps. >> >>Suzi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 10:12:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PECoeu001942 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:12:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9PECdgr022901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:12:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9PE6MMK034297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PE6J3J051132; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PE6E6P050948 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071025140609.KBVQ3063.fep31.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:06:09 +0200 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.178]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071025140609.PPDT7439.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:06:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c81710$3023d770$b214a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c81601$8ca91a10$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom><772366.30761.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com><7.0.1.0.2.20071025120324.034241b8@suziclarke.co.uk><000401c81707$fb275d10$b214a150@your4dacd0ea75> <7.0.1.0.2.20071025144843.0341c318@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] :Danish costume museum online/plaid dress Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:06:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.178] at Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:06:08 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77e6cbcd-2734-408b-85ed-c5dc6410bf4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4720A457.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] :Danish costume museum online/plaid dress > At 14:07 25/10/2007, you wrote: >>Dear Suzi, >>Do you know if this dress: >>http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/periode1/dragt.asp?ID=69 >> >>is on display at the moment? >>If so i really want to go out and have a look myself. >> >>Bjarne > > I can always ask her if she saw it. "Recently" was some months ago - why > don't you phone the Museum and ask - most museums are really helpful. > > Suzi > > > >>>A friend of mine visited the Danish Museum recently and took photos of >>>some of the clothes on display there. She just sent me a photo of the >>>child's plaid dress, with the information card clearly displayed. This >>>stated that the dress is made of wool. >>> >>>Hope this helps. >>> >>>Suzi >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 13:33:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PHXZ0J008422 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:33:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9PHXO1T014681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:33:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9PHVv4n077995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PHVQPc034732; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9PHVDdG034417 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200710251731.l9PHVDdG034417@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 5372 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2007 10:31:12 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 4973, pid: 5308, t: 15.3512s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m: spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_90_100, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 25 Oct 2007 10:30:57 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:26:34 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Newsletter - 10/24/07 - Final Markdowns - Last Chance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c7bf0ec-fa1c-4deb-bc76-0199c52308f5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4720D364.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Also Victorian stuff-for Dickens Fair. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of SPaterson Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] another soucre for pictoral research I am subscribed to Sotherby's Auction Catalogue Online and this week they have sent me one called "Important British Paintings". You have to sign up to fully browse the site but if you do you can get really close up views of the paintings. There are several Elizabethan paintings and Bjarne, many nice 18th Centiry portraits. Since they are up for auction, they may not be available for public viewing in the future. http://www.sothebys.com/app/paddleReg/paddlereg.do?dispatch=eventDetails&eve nt_id=28387 I am still browsing...hope you enjoy. Cheers Sarah Paterson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 15:27:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PJRk33012020 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:27:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9PJRad8000771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:27:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9PJR0bj096074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PJQleW080261; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9PCx2Bf078966 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 281 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2007 12:58:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Etu8RvQp0fc2n5TmaZOBzmIOUCJqx0IsC1XZPp/piSK7eemieIjFqZmWSxM80uzlnZ0/WaDlfgEKsUOiGFJ7iHVD6wa9s+2+I5+DHTIRmVUTDiMHm+82yHl/WrBqwsOhL8WjNy1HusQjLJFaa57GTGF4sIw+SyimHAqu3Gl+uu0=; X-YMail-OSG: AX86xGgVM1n3G5QOQ.SK_fF5K6DPLYusY0ZiUkXBfT8lfCH9At5mv9i.E_50rX93U2ITYzEFGO1bp9LHjc_CX0eIN_Hb9rcH3U1HLgYf1cLuU.1HbZc8sSR.IxgwAQ-- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:58:56 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting markings out of clothes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <816185.49901.qm@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <666206.99784.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85f60f94-6cd4-4995-9918-c9db0b8e3480 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4720EE28.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 25 15:33:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PJXdWU012190 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9PJXT8p030950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9PJX0L1097292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PJWvuQ088697; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9PGa9Gb058404 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A5BB120303E2; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:35:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <471F6965.5030402@reddawn.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620's question Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:36:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c81725$24f42cf0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgWWEm7WVPVHO5ARZ23HoWZaifVCQAzMpdQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: e00dea01-e289-4990-b735-03bda271dacc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4720EF89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO We got them from Scholastic Books, years ago. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:08 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1620's question "Sarah Morton's Day" and "Samuel Eaton's Day" are two great books from Plimouth Plantation. I think they are available from Amazon also. They show children dressing and since the clothing is just like adults, it is very useful for the reinactor and costumer. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620's question Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Well, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I have a question.... > > My husband and I may have the chance to do a reading of the original > Thanksgiving proclamation at our church on Thanksgiving, and thought > it would be fun to dress the part. Have a look at the Plimouth Plantation site: http://www.plimoth.org/ There are lots of photos of costumed interpreters to draw inspiration from. They've done a good job with the research and the clothing from the time period -- clothing worn by the settlers as opposed to the folks home in London. Somewhere they used to have a section on the clothing, but they've redone the site *again*, and I can't find it now. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thursday 25 October 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: > Ooooh! Paintings of Queen Elizabeth I and "the Blessed Thomas Seymour", > guess it was a sympathizer who named that one. > Also Victorian stuff-for Dickens Fair. "Blessed" Thomas Seymour? Considering he was executed for treason (if it's the Tom Seymour I'm thinking of--Katherine Parr's last husband, right?), that's quite a promotion. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 26 00:09:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9Q49BIT026954 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:09:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9Q48u2u008235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9Q47kNt065179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9Q47eSB096692; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9Q47bxP096646 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:07:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7CB61CA0056; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:06:35 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <001801c8165b$82471270$6401a8c0@THIRDFLOOR><005f01c81739$872c47e0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <200710252149.29565.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] another soucre for pictoral research Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:07:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c81785$bdc28430$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200710252149.29565.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgXcwkEkOYwZUlnTKmQPpiEe3GGNQAEpZjg X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30f229d3-750d-4540-8ded-fd0f31641da8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47216858.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I thought it was pretty funny, too. :-) Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:49 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] another soucre for pictoral research On Thursday 25 October 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: > Ooooh! Paintings of Queen Elizabeth I and "the Blessed Thomas > Seymour", guess it was a sympathizer who named that one. > Also Victorian stuff-for Dickens Fair. "Blessed" Thomas Seymour? Considering he was executed for treason (if it's the Tom Seymour I'm thinking of--Katherine Parr's last husband, right?), that's quite a promotion. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 26 10:09:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QE9GVe028890 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:09:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9QE9600008319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:09:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9QE78mC089921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QE6ehA008467; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (smtp4.tpgi.com.au [220.244.226.114]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QDqjKE086314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-254-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.254]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l9QCjrfo010229; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:45:55 +1000 Message-ID: <004001c817ce$24c4fad0$fed6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: , "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:45:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: 3c4f0624-d767-46c7-a551-9da32a1b97b1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4721F502.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've posted this information on about 4 lists so sorry if you get it more than once For those interested in Elizabethan clothing Sotheby's currently has 3 portraits of Queen Elizabeth I on their website which have been in private collections until now (and therefore relatively inaccessible) you can see them on this webpage http://preview.tinyurl.com/yr3le7 (the full url is http://browse.sothebys.com/?c_date=Session%201+|+22+Nov+07%2C+10%3A30+AM
&c_image=http://www.sothebys.com/media/live/pub/2007/OCT/p37576_thumb.jpg&c_location=London,%20New%20Bond%20Street&c_name=Important+British+Paintings&cat=1&event_id=28387&g=1&i=1&sale_id=L07123&nb=1&dp=British+Pictures+Before+1850 ) I personally think the first one is the most interesting as it's clearly the source for one of the re-drawings in Herbert Norris (you can see a scan of Norris' picture on this page http://www.sapphireandsage.com/girdle.html ) but the best bit is that they are zoomable, you can zoom in really close to see details that are virtually impossible to see in most online scans, you will need to register to see the full size images but if you really object to giving Sotheby's your email address you can see if http://www.bugmenot.com/ has an id you can use. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 26 16:24:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QKOriG006320 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:24:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9QKOfA3026228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:24:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9QKNSC5080127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QKNMuP038507; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from dumbledore.ministryofmagic.local (mail.bigdumbdog.com [209.42.230.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QEFp7d023441 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from djbates@bigdumbdog.com) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:24:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Theater Group in NC in need of costume help! Thread-Index: AcgVmPEIYqNq0yRJSgaqdi0VzSzjpACOpwcl From: "Donna J. Bates" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Theater Group in NC in need of costume help! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 27eb2d6e-dc55-4257-aac5-eeb3a5a4172b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47224D09.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I've been a member of the group for several years, I enjoy every post in = it but I mostly lurk and read. =20 I live in the Raleigh, NC area and we recently experienced a tragedy = which I think is something that most costumers would be interested in = knowing. Out on the outter banks, there is a theatrical company called = "The Lost Colony", they've been active for 70 years re-enacting the = first English settlement on Roanoke Island. On September 12, 2007 they = suffered a loss that would have destroyed most organizations of their = nature - a fire. The entire costume shop has been destroyed. They are = seeking help - any help to replace what was lost - fabric, costumes, = pro-bono seamstress work, etc. =20 A 400 year-old mystery haunts Roanoke Island on North Carolina's Outer = Banks. There, in 1587, about 120 men, women and children established the = first English colony in the New World, then vanished without a trace, = leaving historians and archaeologists with one of America's most = perplexing mysteries.=20 =20 Written by Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright Paul Green, The Lost Colony = tells their story in the dramatic setting of historic waterside Theatre = on Roanoke Island. Now in its 70th season, The Lost Colony has been = attended by millions and brings all the elements of family entertainment = together for an unforgettable evening under the stars.=20 =20 Lost Colony buildings destroyed in fire=20 Villa Dunes citizen saves Waterside Theatre =20 (Manteo, NC - September 11, 2007) On 11 September 2007 at 12:35 A.M., a = resident of Villa Dunes spotted a fire across the sound on Roanoke = Island, and called 911. Part of The Lost Colony's Waterside Theatre was = in flames. All fire departments north of Oregon Inlet responded.=20 =20 Fire crews worked swiftly and efficiently to control the blaze, and take = necessary precautions to save the nearby men's dressing room structure. = In spite of their efforts, the maintenance shed, which appears to have = been at or near the source of the fire was completely destroyed. Charred = pieces of framing in a flimsy skeleton, pointing irregularly toward the = star-lighted sky, appear to be all that remains of what was the Irene = Rains Costume Shop. All of the show costumes, all of the historic = costumes, all of the fabrics, all of the shoes and hats are = traditionally stored in the costume shop. All are lost-except the court = costumes which fortunately are still at the dry cleaners, and a few that = have already been delivered to the NC Museum of History for the Lost = Colony exhibition scheduled to open in October.=20 =20 All of the colonist costumes, and all of the Indian costumes were = destroyed.=20 All of the vintage costumes are lost=20 All those built by Irene Rains in the 1940s and 1950s;=20 And all of Fred Voelpel's in the 1960s, 70s and early 80s;=20 MANY OF 5-TIME TONY AWARD-WINNING DESIGNER WILLIAM IVEY LONG'S = COSTUMES WERE ALSO DESTROYED.=20 =20 Despite the loss, the show will go on. The Lost Colony's producing = organization, the Roanoke Island Historical Association Board of = Directors, had an emergency meeting to discuss future plans for the rebuilding and replacement of the costume shop. "Whenever there is a = disaster of this magnitude, you put one foot in front of another and = keep going. You don't look behind, you look to the future. The Lost Colony has rebounded from tragedy before and the show will go on next = season. This dream will live forever," said John Tucker, Chairman of = Board of Directors for the Roanoke Island Historical Association (RIHA), = producer of The Lost Colony.=20 =20 As individuals who love the world of historical costuming, we can help = this wonderful organization continue it's ongoing live performances long = into the future. They not only put on the Lost Colony play, but several = other performances - Shakespere Under the Stars and Tea with the Queen = (Elizabeth 1). So, yes, they can use all manner of costumes.=20 =20 I've been in contact with some personnel at the Lost Colony organization = and have offered to assist in whatever way they can utilize, sewing = costumes, donating garments or fabric, whatever. We love to dip out toes = into the past by walking around in someone else's "corset" for a day to = try to imagine their lives. Therefore we all need to contact the = production and offer what we can so we don't lose something precious = forever. They can use our help! Afterall, who knows historical and/or = theatrical costuming better then we do as a group???=20 =20 The address for the lost Colony is:=20 1409 National Park Drive=20 Manteo, NC 27954=20 The costume shop number is: 252-473-2281 The website is: www.thelostcolony.org The email is: info@thelostcolony.org =20 ANY costumes will be accepted, as well as costuming supplies.=20 --- =20 Donna Bates djbates@bigdumbdog.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 26 16:27:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QKRxNJ006412 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:27:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9QKRn7A026082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:27:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9QKRGgq081133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QKRElh043790; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:27:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9QJqJXX000311 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65704 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2007 19:52:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sj5fpz4OC0o0lWtAGkaUNIcE4/+1A/1MRjhhgfXYmPWzWIH6eF1DWPaKI9+TryPLMsQnhcCXsE+Bl3NnhCvHveU0//OipcVSqt+fisHzzp8SNilESyk6IgpouSJLk3gmVEROBZrn3AercBii8QmeQ93xm2H5YcbkLV6crNbUENM=; X-YMail-OSG: wmwv66UVM1lviEL.rBQFgo27QEqfYGbSam44TOWz73R2KfSjXywccFAorfXJ8frZ4Q-- Received: from [208.179.44.208] by web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:52:14 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] another soucre for pictoral research To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200710252149.29565.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <127030.65318.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1e13957-7ac2-448c-aff4-9bfcde15e029 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47224DC5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No, no, it's Blessed Thomas Percy, not Seymour. He was an earl of Northumberland. MaggiRos Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: > Ooooh! Paintings of Queen Elizabeth I and "the Blessed Thomas Seymour", > guess it was a sympathizer who named that one. > Also Victorian stuff-for Dickens Fair. "Blessed" Thomas Seymour? Considering he was executed for treason (if it's the Tom Seymour I'm thinking of--Katherine Parr's last husband, right?), that's quite a promotion. :-) Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 26 18:33:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QMXxRV009946 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:33:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9QMXm8G019646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:33:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9QMWhEF000192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QMWf2L087190; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QMWc75087086 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1208339waf for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:32:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=3ThjXwwXjAyn9Fb+aepBY0kcIW21+nhNREp+UJQoh4w=; b=iO5gLMYNxEJQc1DidAZ1SiKGl5vwV+2CQsLMO8Ag/ZEmXHcwlFpGb8w4mBLSl/KnMsn1bO4nlHSeWqn9U270eBVoZuOQBLTFQPMQ86lMJ2JPSsa4zgHAptqBySnPGgmM/7XTdaPVFrNj/b5vZ7UurryKBfUlU6gjb7f/1/6Q0RM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pLAgq1CF/1hjI8ocNbGiv4IWKPc0TsOsocVUGNNMYV8zmW1y/atU4fTlqu4Sq6S0V5gCH7OEVU3yoZUdBFAHBNG//Ekcz9otm6SSQ7gMrnllef1C4Q54/1e1Yu0xVz5su/2ElxIh7M1PgJoN3JtE0sCvANUGjML49A/BVTEBaJ0= Received: by 10.115.47.1 with SMTP id z1mr1779073waj.1193437954046; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.158.5 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:32:34 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa874f23-a287-4807-af6b-99924459f5b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47226B4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh WOW, those are wonderful pics! Alas you cannot save the very close-ups, but it is well worth the brief pain of filling out the forms! I have long wanted to make that gown and feared to start... err, I mean the crimson van der Meulan portrait of Elizabeth. Are those cuttes in the hem? Some of the lozenges throughout the fabric look 3-dimensional... could they be gems or silver pieces? Oh, and the detail on the girdle and the neckline, and just everything! *wallows in rapture* This is just wonderful! Thank you Elizabeth!! Meli On 10/26/07, Elizabeth wrote: > I've posted this information on about 4 lists so sorry if you get it more > than once > For those interested in Elizabethan clothing Sotheby's currently has 3 > portraits of Queen Elizabeth I on their website which have been in private > collections until now (and therefore relatively inaccessible) you can see > them on this webpage http://preview.tinyurl.com/yr3le7 (the full url is > http://browse.sothebys.com/?c_date=Session%201+|+22+Nov+07%2C+10%3A30+AM
&c_image=http://www.sothebys.com/media/live/pub/2007/OCT/p37576_thumb.jpg&c_location=London,%20New%20Bond%20Street&c_name=Important+British+Paintings&cat=1&event_id=28387&g=1&i=1&sale_id=L07123&nb=1&dp=British+Pictures+Before+1850 ) > I personally think the first one is the most interesting as it's clearly the > source for one of the re-drawings in Herbert Norris (you can see a scan of > Norris' picture on this page http://www.sapphireandsage.com/girdle.html ) > but the best bit is that they are zoomable, you can zoom in really close to > see details that are virtually impossible to see in most online scans, you > will need to register to see the full size images but if you really object > to giving Sotheby's your email address you can see if > http://www.bugmenot.com/ has an id you can use. > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 26 18:52:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QMqmRk010529 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:52:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9QMqcNF014048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:52:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9QMq2oj002001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QMq0uR004622; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QMpvZM004520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59070) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IlY1t-000287-Ly; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:51:49 -0500 Received: from 216.105.181.26 ([216.105.181.26]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: <20071026185149.qnve1itcococgscg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:51:49 -0400 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f9867a0-cbf0-433c-8eb0-dddb13f32157 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47226FB6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You have to have a paint/photo program (Paint Shop Pro, =20 PhotoShop, MS Paint -- shoot, you can even paste it into a Word =20 Document!) and then just paste after you use the "print screen" =20 button. I saved several pieces like that. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 26 20:31:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9R0VnH7013439 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:31:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9R0VWbh018845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:31:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9R0UCrC013070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9R0UAAc089290; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9QLFlDY000910 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so174847ana for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:15:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=DsMDcxgvMBx025Fmqw0HMnnEV5Nai++IK0470E6PZ7o=; b=uRRi8RUvEEGIeddwAHFXTTDikCLrdLAeaAvVP4QKwtkg2+5+70hCumLqXSAirfxqLy3GoabxJDPLIMd3mEydieew0Nl35NtVVOcwnY+4R34xaD69PANEyjHlLgXrzDUae2R3b98ouCmzsrv3A/CuEatBD8ow2cRUKxaVrhoTEG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=S4zUHf6gqhAXEdHELno6YGy4aPuNWJrGcEBqEpfpfhu9iZUNJo8BImvIxa4cP6cEX5t9/PRh9UGDX4D74By2HF8bT8WgDsmC62TamXUfTPeGWieZ0Q3g6OjVLPm10vyf8iky7F/4AVqJL4/1nUGteii3hxniPtWRHTpgxOWKR4g= Received: by 10.101.67.11 with SMTP id u11mr2108655ank.1193433342202; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.51.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 43sm5369101wri.2007.10.26.14.15.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:15:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <004001c817ce$24c4fad0$fed6f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <004001c817ce$24c4fad0$fed6f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:15:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgYDatwb7ogWbZ6TjGME1c9ve/QRQABlWhw Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <472258fd.2b09360a.0ce6.fffff60d@mx.google.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: f74feec2-0e69-4669-a326-602ec437e125 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 472286E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here are the Norris comparison images http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:46 AM To: ReconstructingHistory-Patterns@yahoogroups.com; Historic Costume Subject: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth I've posted this information on about 4 lists so sorry if you get it more than once For those interested in Elizabethan clothing Sotheby's currently has 3 portraits of Queen Elizabeth I on their website which have been in private collections until now (and therefore relatively inaccessible) you can see them on this webpage http://preview.tinyurl.com/yr3le7 (the full url is http://browse.sothebys.com/?c_date=Session%201+|+22+Nov+07%2C+10%3A30+AM
&c_image=http://www.sothebys.com/media/live/pub/2007/OCT/p37576_thumb.jpg&c_ location=London,%20New%20Bond%20Street&c_name=Important+British+Paintings&ca t=1&event_id=28387&g=1&i=1&sale_id=L07123&nb=1&dp=British+Pictures+Before+18 50 ) I personally think the first one is the most interesting as it's clearly the source for one of the re-drawings in Herbert Norris (you can see a scan of Norris' picture on this page http://www.sapphireandsage.com/girdle.html ) but the best bit is that they are zoomable, you can zoom in really close to see details that are virtually impossible to see in most online scans, you will need to register to see the full size images but if you really object to giving Sotheby's your email address you can see if http://www.bugmenot.com/ has an id you can use. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 27 01:46:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9R5kj33025325 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:46:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9R5kXZV019182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:46:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9R5j1Oe041401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9R5iv3i004794; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:44:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9R5iS0l004500 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:44:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE5700048 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] another soucre for pictoral research Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:40:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <127030.65318.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <127030.65318.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710270140.48677.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9a5a420-a610-4361-9fb3-23ad1b724266 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4722D0B9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks for the correction! -- Cathy Raymond "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available."-- Gregory Benford _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 27 10:54:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9REsqx3030297 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:54:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9REsfAu021671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:54:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9RErV2i050670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9RErQVQ093894; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp6.america.net (qsmtp6.america.net [69.60.160.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9RErNeZ093819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.158] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp6.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Iln2Q-0002hU-D7 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:53:22 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:52:16 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth In-Reply-To: <472258fd.2b09360a.0ce6.fffff60d@mx.google.com> References: <004001c817ce$24c4fad0$fed6f5dc@user4712b7d135> <472258fd.2b09360a.0ce6.fffff60d@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eac5122b-5330-4a00-99cd-ff11f86b7503 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47235132.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 04:15 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote: >Here are the Norris comparison images >http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php > >Chiara Francesca OK, so are those diamonds slashes, or jewels, or studs? I'm thinking studs, myself. I'm talking on the skirt. Hmmm..... Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 27 12:57:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9RGvUUo001169 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:57:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9RGvJ41001921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:57:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9RGu3I6067679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9RGu1Dp002250; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9RGtwfg002216 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so187410ana for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:55:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=TvvkcWaFYm/AhCcFrInkSoDxNUmdCZVWYH9vgOcqtxI=; b=meLsOdx8/6GWFZ4ZfXBuTByPXiDo0p2hmKl6lvNjstkseTw1vGgCvU+C0cpJvOtZBcW7gQzzLdwnqamwHtYv8QyJZOjmxJRKKCSaPi5sziujvXrdB033ZE3BlG4PWRZB7r34MRLiFzGdYIBBXdOe9M+U3myH9OotYhKSa+uaIkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=oY+bRMsK4Mnmnt7WBZ7Pn9BF35FpCeFFki4BREp7wY0efZMwc+xD4mnSvPX+dw1X0xcgtk7G8P6BDzhqLVXiLPAOuroTNMgo0QAeKzSZSindp+P6DgrwPEDlJmPpHO1I2cEB9GAASQG6eIZAIsG2AMOcjqn3M4mmNSeq3SA/G7s= Received: by 10.100.171.10 with SMTP id t10mr2718113ane.1193504156594; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.51.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm7191160wrl.2007.10.27.09.55.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <004001c817ce$24c4fad0$fed6f5dc@user4712b7d135> <472258fd.2b09360a.0ce6.fffff60d@mx.google.com> <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:55:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgYqXTo7HOm0SgcS6mY/Q5oiDZYoAAD/Bbw Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47236d9b.0f0c360a.732a.ffff963c@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5cbd4b1-b8dc-413b-884b-41a82152e16e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47236DEF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am betting on jewels or studs too. We would have to look at all the other portraits of her to really figure out what they are. And we need to track where this painting ends up so that someone can go look at it!! :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Genie Barrett Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:52 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth At 04:15 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote: >Here are the Norris comparison images >http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php > >Chiara Francesca OK, so are those diamonds slashes, or jewels, or studs? I'm thinking studs, myself. I'm talking on the skirt. Hmmm..... Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 27 16:17:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9RKHRja005945 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:17:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9RKHHFY009322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:17:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9RKGDh2098141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9RKG6PV086573; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9RKG3sg086522 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A8A63B0A0 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:16:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:16:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50530907-9e02-468c-9f0c-70b7ffff9b08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47239CCD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On the zoom at Sotheby's they look more like puffs/slash then a stud. But definitely not a jewel. The first picture from Chiara's site indicates that they are slashes, small pinkings between embroidered "Xs". You find the pink and X pattern on the sleeves under the arm where the horizontal slashes are. Note that the gold trim along the edge of the wide band at the hem is not solid gold, per say, it is either a lace type trim where you have two rows alternating in solid and open to create a two row check pattern or it is a braid or gold and red (russet?) alternating to create the two row checky pattern. This cording(?) is found on the bodice and sleeves. Also on the wide bodice and sleeves, the leaf pattern, the leaves may be pinking with a kind of running stitch for the stem but this is not 100% for sure. There is a possibility that the Xs and stem are gold wrapped thread. A sort of bullion stitch. On majority of the gown the stem and leaf pattern is singular, on the hem it is doubled and running in the same direction with a running line between them so as to looking a stem and leave are running in the other direction. The partlet is not as white as the sleeve puffs so it indicates that it probably is a sheer material. The embroidery appears to be polychrome and there looks to be some kind of drawn thread work on the main body of it. The ruffle is edged in gold and red/russet. Though at first glance the sleeves appear to have a sleeve roll, it is actually a darnley style sleeve. The singular stem and leaf embroidery on each side of the vertical slashes runs all the way to the arms eye. What gives the impression of a roll is that there is two stem and leaf with trim running parallel to the arms eye that has puffs coming out between the rows. The bodice neckline is snipped with white puffs. This dress appears to have a French influence. De -----Original Message----- At 04:15 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote: >Here are the Norris comparison images >http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php > >Chiara Francesca OK, so are those diamonds slashes, or jewels, or studs? I'm thinking studs, myself. I'm talking on the skirt. Hmmm..... Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 28 12:49:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9SGn2XL032213 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:49:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9SGmqi4019629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9SGlWVj060461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9SGlRFr098214; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9SGlNtc098075 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.1]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071028164717.FKWE29331.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:47:17 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.1]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071028164716.DCOA8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:47:16 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:46:28 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071028164716.DCOA8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Book: Ancient Textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0281101c-f014-4646-8aae-342af2813529 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4724BD74.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I received my copy from DBBC this week of Gillis, Carole (ed.) & Nosch, Marie-Louise (ed.) Ancient Textiles Production, Crafts and Society. United States: Oxbow Books/David Brown Book Co, 2007. ISBN 1842172026 from the conference http://www3.lu.se/klass/textiles/crossdisciplinary.html The book contains a large number of papers covering a WIDE time period: from the earliest prehistory up to the 18th C. Three papers were of particular interest to me: 1) "Textile Tools and Production during the Viking Age" by Eva B. Andersson had a nice table containing the elements of Viking costume for men and woment giving the weight of textile for each and weaving technique. This estimate is from the reconstruction done in Lejre and is based on the Haithabu/Hedeby finds. 2) "Textile Production in Proto-historic Italy: from Specialists to Workshops" by Margarita Gleba has some nice information on the weaving of tablet borders and a nice illustration of a method using warp-weighted tablets. 3) "Woolen Textiles in Archaeological Finds and Descriptions in Written Sources of the 14th to 18th Centuries" by Kaus Tidow and Eva Jordan-Fahrbach Please be aware that the Appendix is also available separately as: Gillis, Carole, and Marie-Louise Nosch. First Aid for the Excavation of Archaeological Textiles. [Denmark]: Danish National Research Foundation's Centre for Textile Research, 2007. ISBN:9781842172230 1842172239 OCLC:154660493 Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 28 23:27:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T3RLUL021880 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:27:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9T3R96l008687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:27:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9T3PsHW034422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T3PmhJ025576; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T3PjqU025464 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200710290325.l9T3PjqU025464@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-13-57.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.13.57]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007102903254001100rruboe>; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:25:40 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:25:39 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth In-Reply-To: <47236d9b.0f0c360a.732a.ffff963c@mx.google.com> References: <004001c817ce$24c4fad0$fed6f5dc@user4712b7d135> <472258fd.2b09360a.0ce6.fffff60d@mx.google.com> <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> <47236d9b.0f0c360a.732a.ffff963c@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 902d3cfc-c949-4b97-b64b-1c23cb75ee16 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4725530D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 01:08:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T583OY025114 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:08:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9T57rJ4001411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:07:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9T56jVK045834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:06:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T56gop004740; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail12.tpgi.com.au (mail12.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.162]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T56bXj004686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-144-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.144]) by mail12.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id l9T56ZN6000468 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:06:36 +1100 Message-ID: <003901c819e9$78d44230$90f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c814dc$7a0afc00$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:06:31 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbbe7c22-17ee-4fcc-aecf-7baa3a706fdb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47256AA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I finally got a chance to look at this webpage properly it's just amazing, thankyou for sharing it. Just one question, do you know what the scale is on the patterns? I'm guessing it's most likely to be in centimetres, but I can't see it clearly indicated on the patterns and thought it might be mentioned somewhere else on the site. thanks Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:50 AM Subject: [h-cost] danish costume museum online For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are on wiev on the danish costume museum. http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern cuts and also zoom in Have fun! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 05:11:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T9B3J3004622 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:11:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9T9AqkH006418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:10:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9T8nI3F065899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T8nFMS069221; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9T8nCx3069112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.72.30.97] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1ImQJ0-0006oJ-PE for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:49:07 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071029084755.03442d60@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:49:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online In-Reply-To: <003901c819e9$78d44230$90f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000801c814dc$7a0afc00$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> <003901c819e9$78d44230$90f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 200f5d6d-b092-425f-91d4-dd3a752d6231 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4725A39C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 05:06 29/10/2007, you wrote: >I finally got a chance to look at this webpage properly it's just >amazing, thankyou for sharing it. Just one question, do you know >what the scale is on the patterns? I'm guessing it's most likely to >be in centimetres, but I can't see it clearly indicated on the >patterns and thought it might be mentioned somewhere else on the site. >thanks >Elizabeth >----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" > >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:50 AM >Subject: [h-cost] danish costume museum online > > >For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards >are on wiev on the danish costume museum. >http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html >Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of >the costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will >appear besides the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of >the pattern cuts and also zoom in > >Have fun! > >Bjarne In the books which have similar patterns it's 1:10, (cms) but I don't know about the online patterns, as I haven't had time to study them. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 09:42:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TDgkTt032493 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:42:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9TDgZ6A020729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:42:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9TDfnZ3010140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TDfkvE045404; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:41:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TDfgsv045271 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071029134136.FMP27131.fep31.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:41:36 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.107]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071029134136.NKAA11710.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:41:36 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c81a31$6b2f97e0$6b14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c814dc$7a0afc00$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75> <003901c819e9$78d44230$90f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:41:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.107] at Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:41:36 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ee227dd-5450-4557-aef6-c2f00eb63707 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4725E34B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Elizabeth, The scale of the online patterns are 1 square is 10 centimeters. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] danish costume museum online >I finally got a chance to look at this webpage properly it's just amazing, >thankyou for sharing it. Just one question, do you know what the scale is >on the patterns? I'm guessing it's most likely to be in centimetres, but I >can't see it clearly indicated on the patterns and thought it might be >mentioned somewhere else on the site. > thanks > Elizabeth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:50 AM > Subject: [h-cost] danish costume museum online > > > For those of you who are interrested clothes from 1700 and onwards are on > wiev on the danish costume museum. > http://tidenstoej.natmus.dk/index.html > Only danish i am afraid, but look further down under the pictures of the > costume, there are smaller pictures to click and they will appear besides > the photo of the costume on top. Also pdf files of the pattern cuts and > also zoom in > > Have fun! > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 13:31:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9THVGPU011821 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:31:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9THV59G015179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:31:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9THTk6b058036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9THTTMl062035; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM02.creighton.edu [147.134.0.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9THTNlq061896 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm02.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id AAD284C21C for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:08:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.creighton.edu (mx1.creighton.edu [147.134.0.237]) by zixvpm02.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 42B814C212 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:08:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by mx1.creighton.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D196018007F for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:29:22 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c81a31$6b2f97e0$6b14a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Tasha Tudor Auction catalog Thread-Index: AcgaMZ4U14aK06wUTbiul504EN9dqwAHxSTw References: <000801c814dc$7a0afc00$1c43a150@your4dacd0ea75><003901c819e9$78d44230$90f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> <001a01c81a31$6b2f97e0$6b14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tasha Tudor Auction catalog X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85d15a71-74ab-4c9d-ac9e-81ce1c42a608 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 472618D9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This link will take you to some online images from the Tasha Tudor costume collection auction catalog. It is on sale now at the site for $45.00 The few gowns modeled in the Nov-Dec issue of Victoria are exquisite. I'm subscribing(still awaiting my first "sample" copy)but found the issue Saturday at Bag & Save, my local discount grocery store, no less! So happy this magazine is back, if only bi-monthly issues! Cindy Abel =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 16:35:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TKZfsJ016964 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:35:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9TKZU5n024268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:35:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9TKYP3t098296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TKYHDN033616; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TKY9oK033360 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-229-214-252.nyc.res.rr.com [72.229.214.252]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l9TKY7E7000298 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:34:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:39:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200710291801.l9TI0cHh005759@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Danish Museum Patternmaker X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8732cd6-e0e0-49f1-b810-6c447c288ee0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47264412.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was interested in finding out more about the patternmaker, Karen Jacobi, who did (most of, if not all) the patterns on the museum web site. She seems to have been working in the 1970's -'90's in Denmark. I've found one book, but for all the Danish I can read, it might be a book about carving duck decoys. Bjarne, do you know about her? Are her patterns published in book form? Would that they were available in English translation!! Jacobi, Karen - Bevaring af gamle tekstiler. S.m. Minna Kragelund og Else Ostergaard. Museumstekniske studier, Nationalmuseet 1978. 160 sider. (bevaring, udstilling) Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 17:02:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TL2DL0017630 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:02:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9TL22eS016294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:02:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9TKu9ee002779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TKtwBd063536; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TKtqtR063364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.31] (209-148-118-31.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l9TKtnqa029162 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: <472648D7.3000701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:55:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Museum Patternmaker References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c14a031d-81d6-4f41-b83b-1d913d14482e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47264A4A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO These patterns all look very familiar to me. Although I'd have to check, I believe they have all been published in the following series of books. Which I also think are partly translated into English (extended captions, if I recall), but again, I'd have to check the actual books and don't have time right now. Andersen, Ellen. Moden 1700–Arene. Copenhagen: Nationalmuseet, 1977. Andersen, Ellen. Moden 1790–1840. Copenhagen: Nationalmuseet, 1986. Bech, Viben. Moden 1840–1890. Copenhagen: Nationalmuseet, 1989. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Martha Kelly wrote: > Are her patterns published in > book form? Would that they were available in English translation!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 17:51:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TLpZ3T019110 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:51:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9TLpJPi011838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:51:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9TLoGQC017223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TLo6pj040794; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TLmiXY038976 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A501260F00A8; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:47:45 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710252149.29565.cathy@thyrsus.com> <127030.65318.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] another soucre for pictoral research Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:48:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c81a75$81a9e4f0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgYDpBSwOBVMqZKSKyBaypmKYn9hgCZLoxg In-Reply-To: <127030.65318.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3bd0097f-eb20-4e9f-a692-0d0a7973b86d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 472655D7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oops! I'm terrible with names. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 12:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] another soucre for pictoral research No, no, it's Blessed Thomas Percy, not Seymour. He was an earl of Northumberland. MaggiRos Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: > Ooooh! Paintings of Queen Elizabeth I and "the Blessed Thomas > Seymour", guess it was a sympathizer who named that one. > Also Victorian stuff-for Dickens Fair. "Blessed" Thomas Seymour? Considering he was executed for treason (if it's the Tom Seymour I'm thinking of--Katherine Parr's last husband, right?), that's quite a promotion. :-) Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 18:07:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TM7hfW019492 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:07:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9TM7WvE032296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:07:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9TM6tOf020017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TM6sUe062224; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:06:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TM6o0u062164 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A93D1E9103F4; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:05:49 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:07:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c81a78$07a264e0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgY7DReK+NDN/nSQsOSRcfE6cOCJwBi4x/w In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6936d4e-d940-4609-bd12-7b5ff0b45cec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 472659A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I agree on them being slashes and small cut out diamonds. I've heard such slashings were a sign the wearer was wealthy, as they could afford to "ruin" fabric with such work, as it made the fabric weaker and more difficult to reuse. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth On the zoom at Sotheby's they look more like puffs/slash then a stud. But definitely not a jewel. The first picture from Chiara's site indicates that they are slashes, small pinkings between embroidered "Xs". You find the pink and X pattern on the sleeves under the arm where the horizontal slashes are. Note that the gold trim along the edge of the wide band at the hem is not solid gold, per say, it is either a lace type trim where you have two rows alternating in solid and open to create a two row check pattern or it is a braid or gold and red (russet?) alternating to create the two row checky pattern. This cording(?) is found on the bodice and sleeves. Also on the wide bodice and sleeves, the leaf pattern, the leaves may be pinking with a kind of running stitch for the stem but this is not 100% for sure. There is a possibility that the Xs and stem are gold wrapped thread. A sort of bullion stitch. On majority of the gown the stem and leaf pattern is singular, on the hem it is doubled and running in the same direction with a running line between them so as to looking a stem and leave are running in the other direction. The partlet is not as white as the sleeve puffs so it indicates that it probably is a sheer material. The embroidery appears to be polychrome and there looks to be some kind of drawn thread work on the main body of it. The ruffle is edged in gold and red/russet. Though at first glance the sleeves appear to have a sleeve roll, it is actually a darnley style sleeve. The singular stem and leaf embroidery on each side of the vertical slashes runs all the way to the arms eye. What gives the impression of a roll is that there is two stem and leaf with trim running parallel to the arms eye that has puffs coming out between the rows. The bodice neckline is snipped with white puffs. This dress appears to have a French influence. De -----Original Message----- At 04:15 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote: >Here are the Norris comparison images >http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php > >Chiara Francesca OK, so are those diamonds slashes, or jewels, or studs? I'm thinking studs, myself. I'm talking on the skirt. Hmmm..... Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 18:54:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TMsuJq021144 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:54:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9TMsjqi010216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:54:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9TMrWwJ027655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TMrRxw018494; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TMrNQA018410 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BDF63B36F for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:53:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:53:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000b01c81a78$07a264e0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9f3737f-af0a-4f51-90a3-98004f773130 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 472664B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO :) I've been corrected, they are pinkings not slashes because they are small cuts or they are cutouts. :) whoopsie :) De -----Original Message----- I agree on them being slashes and small cut out diamonds. I've heard such slashings were a sign the wearer was wealthy, as they could afford to "ruin" fabric with such work, as it made the fabric weaker and more difficult to reuse. -----Original Message----- On the zoom at Sotheby's they look more like puffs/slash then a stud. But definitely not a jewel. The first picture from Chiara's site indicates that they are slashes, small pinkings between embroidered "Xs". You find the pink and X pattern on the sleeves under the arm where the horizontal slashes are. Note that the gold trim along the edge of the wide band at the hem is not solid gold, per say, it is either a lace type trim where you have two rows alternating in solid and open to create a two row check pattern or it is a braid or gold and red (russet?) alternating to create the two row checky pattern. This cording(?) is found on the bodice and sleeves. Also on the wide bodice and sleeves, the leaf pattern, the leaves may be pinking with a kind of running stitch for the stem but this is not 100% for sure. There is a possibility that the Xs and stem are gold wrapped thread. A sort of bullion stitch. On majority of the gown the stem and leaf pattern is singular, on the hem it is doubled and running in the same direction with a running line between them so as to looking a stem and leave are running in the other direction. The partlet is not as white as the sleeve puffs so it indicates that it probably is a sheer material. The embroidery appears to be polychrome and there looks to be some kind of drawn thread work on the main body of it. The ruffle is edged in gold and red/russet. Though at first glance the sleeves appear to have a sleeve roll, it is actually a darnley style sleeve. The singular stem and leaf embroidery on each side of the vertical slashes runs all the way to the arms eye. What gives the impression of a roll is that there is two stem and leaf with trim running parallel to the arms eye that has puffs coming out between the rows. The bodice neckline is snipped with white puffs. This dress appears to have a French influence. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 21:11:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U1BBrr025429 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:11:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9U1AqnO004899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:11:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9U19Xik046832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:09:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U19LJi056326; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9TNi64L072054 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so250432ana for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:44:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=F6WPcU3MEcqbthG2D8Gc+zKgmrs/TKhGUC0ixhOBbdk=; b=JlPB79Ul5ray0AmP4kah2+hKHMcKRrkNr73P/Ggv6GDDuNl57kdB+Fxj1750k5UcVaMLjfKpeOZbYxlEey/PoibD7Gb8oheikiKjcbTxSKryEHKSYig6eP02wx/4rrVPz3WGIzvc5B/QmVtnDVTz3yskhSgItISC2R3NurfkuXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=DN+IXcVgk+Gif9AsxhHvOc8inr7ybkSIvmAG0I5AOxXo2RUr8RPUxrz5KWfCyLy85hb1hpvIbmsGh0EmSovcOaZ/tw9DWkec1VfVSG/QEMhx//kcJ5sh9kViVqfxeZECQD7YHni+HNv2H6O9K6utO+sCJvMrEguarqVXL+10bcs= Received: by 10.100.225.19 with SMTP id x19mr2026859ang.1193701445170; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.33.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 61sm10787713wry.2007.10.29.16.44.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> <000b01c81a78$07a264e0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <000b01c81a78$07a264e0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgY7DReK+NDN/nSQsOSRcfE6cOCJwBi4x/wAAMjTzA= Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47267043.3d19360a.5b7b.680d@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94f31dc8-7653-4bc3-bdef-a92c61371ffd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4726849C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching for years for that elusive text source. Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:07 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth I agree on them being slashes and small cut out diamonds. I've heard such slashings were a sign the wearer was wealthy, as they could afford to "ruin" fabric with such work, as it made the fabric weaker and more difficult to reuse. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth On the zoom at Sotheby's they look more like puffs/slash then a stud. But definitely not a jewel. The first picture from Chiara's site indicates that they are slashes, small pinkings between embroidered "Xs". You find the pink and X pattern on the sleeves under the arm where the horizontal slashes are. Note that the gold trim along the edge of the wide band at the hem is not solid gold, per say, it is either a lace type trim where you have two rows alternating in solid and open to create a two row check pattern or it is a braid or gold and red (russet?) alternating to create the two row checky pattern. This cording(?) is found on the bodice and sleeves. Also on the wide bodice and sleeves, the leaf pattern, the leaves may be pinking with a kind of running stitch for the stem but this is not 100% for sure. There is a possibility that the Xs and stem are gold wrapped thread. A sort of bullion stitch. On majority of the gown the stem and leaf pattern is singular, on the hem it is doubled and running in the same direction with a running line between them so as to looking a stem and leave are running in the other direction. The partlet is not as white as the sleeve puffs so it indicates that it probably is a sheer material. The embroidery appears to be polychrome and there looks to be some kind of drawn thread work on the main body of it. The ruffle is edged in gold and red/russet. Though at first glance the sleeves appear to have a sleeve roll, it is actually a darnley style sleeve. The singular stem and leaf embroidery on each side of the vertical slashes runs all the way to the arms eye. What gives the impression of a roll is that there is two stem and leaf with trim running parallel to the arms eye that has puffs coming out between the rows. The bodice neckline is snipped with white puffs. This dress appears to have a French influence. De -----Original Message----- At 04:15 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote: >Here are the Norris comparison images >http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php > >Chiara Francesca OK, so are those diamonds slashes, or jewels, or studs? I'm thinking studs, myself. I'm talking on the skirt. Hmmm..... Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 21:21:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U1L1bJ025855 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:21:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9U1KnxX013272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:20:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9U1KSfh047986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:20:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U1KRQh066374; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:20:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U1KOF7066263 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:20:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web10-z01 ([10.127.132.101]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071030012018.PPUI3962.cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web10-z01>; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:20:18 +0000 Message-ID: <22920894.632001193707218704.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:20:18 -0400 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2487bfed-1d7d-4bad-bdbf-f6fb4871fb49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 472686F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think they look like cut out diamonds as well. Just my .02 ailith ---- Sharon Collier wrote: > I agree on them being slashes and small cut out diamonds. I've heard such > slashings were a sign the wearer was wealthy, as they could afford to "ruin" > fabric with such work, as it made the fabric weaker and more difficult to > reuse. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 29 22:00:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U20U3I027406 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:00:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9U20JSL002842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:00:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9U1xp0J052037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U1xnLb002389; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3l.socket.net [216.106.88.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U1xkSa002326 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B01BC4011E for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:59:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:59:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <47267043.3d19360a.5b7b.680d@mx.google.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 656406f9-474d-4cd3-ab88-12275f54be9b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47269033.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It doesn't make sense that it would be for the rich only in that there is a portrait of a tailor with pinking all over. But I guess one could say that he needs to show off his work. De -----Original Message----- First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching for years for that elusive text source. Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 04:38:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8c0p9011006 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:38:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9U8bmwA028605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:37:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9U8afRF093409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8abl2020833; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8aXRq020799 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACD1303900A8; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:35:29 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> <000b01c81a78$07a264e0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <47267043.3d19360a.5b7b.680d@mx.google.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:36:41 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c81acf$feb6bb80$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <47267043.3d19360a.5b7b.680d@mx.google.com> Thread-Index: AcgY7DReK+NDN/nSQsOSRcfE6cOCJwBi4x/wAAMjTzAAEs3noA== X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b423d63-1f57-4536-8dc2-89263924043f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4726ED5C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Unfortunately, it's just info I picked up as a Ren Faire court person. I'll run it by my friends and see if any of them have an actual source for the info. It came up a few months ago in a discussion of a "new" gown for the Queen. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chiara Francesca Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:44 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching for years for that elusive text source. Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:07 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth I agree on them being slashes and small cut out diamonds. I've heard such slashings were a sign the wearer was wealthy, as they could afford to "ruin" fabric with such work, as it made the fabric weaker and more difficult to reuse. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth On the zoom at Sotheby's they look more like puffs/slash then a stud. But definitely not a jewel. The first picture from Chiara's site indicates that they are slashes, small pinkings between embroidered "Xs". You find the pink and X pattern on the sleeves under the arm where the horizontal slashes are. Note that the gold trim along the edge of the wide band at the hem is not solid gold, per say, it is either a lace type trim where you have two rows alternating in solid and open to create a two row check pattern or it is a braid or gold and red (russet?) alternating to create the two row checky pattern. This cording(?) is found on the bodice and sleeves. Also on the wide bodice and sleeves, the leaf pattern, the leaves may be pinking with a kind of running stitch for the stem but this is not 100% for sure. There is a possibility that the Xs and stem are gold wrapped thread. A sort of bullion stitch. On majority of the gown the stem and leaf pattern is singular, on the hem it is doubled and running in the same direction with a running line between them so as to looking a stem and leave are running in the other direction. The partlet is not as white as the sleeve puffs so it indicates that it probably is a sheer material. The embroidery appears to be polychrome and there looks to be some kind of drawn thread work on the main body of it. The ruffle is edged in gold and red/russet. Though at first glance the sleeves appear to have a sleeve roll, it is actually a darnley style sleeve. The singular stem and leaf embroidery on each side of the vertical slashes runs all the way to the arms eye. What gives the impression of a roll is that there is two stem and leaf with trim running parallel to the arms eye that has puffs coming out between the rows. The bodice neckline is snipped with white puffs. This dress appears to have a French influence. De -----Original Message----- At 04:15 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote: >Here are the Norris comparison images >http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php > >Chiara Francesca OK, so are those diamonds slashes, or jewels, or studs? I'm thinking studs, myself. I'm talking on the skirt. Hmmm..... Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 04:45:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8jE1a012055 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:45:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9U8iw0b028383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9U8icvK094045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8ibEX027583; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:44:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8iY2C027544 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AEB22E3C02DC; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:43:30 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> <000b01c81a78$07a264e0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <47267043.3d19360a.5b7b.680d@mx.google.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:44:41 -0700 Message-ID: <005001c81ad1$1d12af70$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <47267043.3d19360a.5b7b.680d@mx.google.com> Thread-Index: AcgY7DReK+NDN/nSQsOSRcfE6cOCJwBi4x/wAAMjTzAAExnj0A== X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59ad4cf1-7f36-4b9f-aacf-50752b6f5f2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4726EF0A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I do recall recently reading a list of sumptuary rules and noticing that pinking/slashing was one of the things reserved for nobility. It said something like, slashing/pinking may only be used if the person has a rank of Baron or above. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chiara Francesca Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:44 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching for years for that elusive text source. Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:07 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth I agree on them being slashes and small cut out diamonds. I've heard such slashings were a sign the wearer was wealthy, as they could afford to "ruin" fabric with such work, as it made the fabric weaker and more difficult to reuse. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth On the zoom at Sotheby's they look more like puffs/slash then a stud. But definitely not a jewel. The first picture from Chiara's site indicates that they are slashes, small pinkings between embroidered "Xs". You find the pink and X pattern on the sleeves under the arm where the horizontal slashes are. Note that the gold trim along the edge of the wide band at the hem is not solid gold, per say, it is either a lace type trim where you have two rows alternating in solid and open to create a two row check pattern or it is a braid or gold and red (russet?) alternating to create the two row checky pattern. This cording(?) is found on the bodice and sleeves. Also on the wide bodice and sleeves, the leaf pattern, the leaves may be pinking with a kind of running stitch for the stem but this is not 100% for sure. There is a possibility that the Xs and stem are gold wrapped thread. A sort of bullion stitch. On majority of the gown the stem and leaf pattern is singular, on the hem it is doubled and running in the same direction with a running line between them so as to looking a stem and leave are running in the other direction. The partlet is not as white as the sleeve puffs so it indicates that it probably is a sheer material. The embroidery appears to be polychrome and there looks to be some kind of drawn thread work on the main body of it. The ruffle is edged in gold and red/russet. Though at first glance the sleeves appear to have a sleeve roll, it is actually a darnley style sleeve. The singular stem and leaf embroidery on each side of the vertical slashes runs all the way to the arms eye. What gives the impression of a roll is that there is two stem and leaf with trim running parallel to the arms eye that has puffs coming out between the rows. The bodice neckline is snipped with white puffs. This dress appears to have a French influence. De -----Original Message----- At 04:15 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote: >Here are the Norris comparison images >http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php > >Chiara Francesca OK, so are those diamonds slashes, or jewels, or studs? I'm thinking studs, myself. I'm talking on the skirt. Hmmm..... Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 04:46:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8kPGj012236 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:46:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9U8kEug005222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:46:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9U8jrd6094179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8jrXW028715; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9U8jo60028667 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:45:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AEFE1B8303E6; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:44:46 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <47267043.3d19360a.5b7b.680d@mx.google.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraits of QueenElizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:45:58 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c81ad1$4abf7ed0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgamIR6BgAWi+xZTP+ewDastT6fcQAOKBMA X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd4ab7a5-3238-4fee-8c10-695dbd8fe033 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4726EF56.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think he was Italian. The sumptuary rules were for England only. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraits of QueenElizabeth It doesn't make sense that it would be for the rich only in that there is a portrait of a tailor with pinking all over. But I guess one could say that he needs to show off his work. De -----Original Message----- First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching for years for that elusive text source. Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 11:34:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UFYLxj013382 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:34:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9UFY9D4028006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:34:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9UFWtue064190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UFWpxi064102; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UFWljT063823 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071030153241.BFUO27131.fep31.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:32:41 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.56]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071030153241.TPDZ7439.fep47.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:32:41 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c81b0a$1afe5e80$3843a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish Museum Patternmaker Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:32:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.56] at Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:32:40 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f56fe02-672e-41bc-bec1-59f655335dc9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47274EF1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, As Fran posted the books, i can only add that i dont know much about her. I had a telephone call with her manny years ago, because i wanted to tell her about some errors she made with one of the patterns. Its not a pattern on the website, but a pattern in "Moden i 1700 årene" The mantua had an error with the sleave pattern, as the armscye had to be altered, when all the pleats had ben made in the sleave. Thats all. But in all i think her patterns are very good! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Kelly" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Danish Museum Patternmaker >I was interested in finding out more about the patternmaker, Karen Jacobi, > who did (most of, if not all) the patterns on the museum web site. She > seems to have been working in the 1970's -'90's in Denmark. I've found > one > book, but for all the Danish I can read, it might be a book about carving > duck decoys. Bjarne, do you know about her? Are her patterns published in > book form? Would that they were available in English translation!! > > Jacobi, Karen > - Bevaring af gamle tekstiler. S.m. Minna Kragelund og Else Ostergaard. > Museumstekniske studier, Nationalmuseet 1978. 160 sider. (bevaring, > udstilling) > > Martha > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 14:16:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UIGsuh017164 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:16:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9UIGhtc004736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:16:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9UIFPZT092927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UIFLte097465; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l9UIFG7t097223 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 89058 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2007 18:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.160.242 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2007 18:15:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w1RO.GIVM1nyXr1gjwZA7CXVDxynEimDYZhS3kIrY8JJ9_gUi.4ncP.NwH7kgRe.5g30XVaC3w-- Message-ID: <001e01c81b20$cf0e8d80$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:15:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] of jodphurs and orange blossoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 871efd08-aeb7-440f-a7fd-28ca75899574 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4727750B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Continuing Queen Maude and her wardrobe: I have been trying to get another wedding gown view as I am gathering fabric, lace and trim for her 1898 wedding. The gown is trimmed with orange blossoms (waxed?). Were these sprigs of true blossoms, or is the term 'waxed' another way of saying imitation flowers? Also, have found some Honiton lace in my stash that should do quite nicely for the veil. I have a question as to the possibility that she might have been using her mother's (Alexandra) veil; however I cannot lay my hands on the wedding picture of that Royal. I have the volume of Honiton Lace that documents Victoria's encouragement of Honiton as an English lace of quality. Lots of pictures of details of design and the continuing use of Honiton by the Royals of succeeding generations. My samples are right-on . Does anyone know when Jodphurs got that nomen for riding pants? Again, I have patterns from several sources that are plainly of the style for both men and women, but all use the term 'riding pants'...the male version feature the present fly front and the woman's is either a double split waist band on both sides or right side placket. I assume that the word for the leg style has Indian origins, but when? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 15:40:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UJeAFG020548 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:40:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9UJdwjD009717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9UJcrWr006140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UJclp1007846; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5g.socket.net [216.106.26.215]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UJcfRQ007708 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A7433793A for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:38:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraits ofQueenElizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:38:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <005101c81ad1$4abf7ed0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9263180a-d61a-4bb0-bb15-758c9970c4c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4727888E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO So how would a middle class or poor person deal with a pinked or slashed hand me down? -----Original Message----- I think he was Italian. The sumptuary rules were for England only. -----Original Message----- It doesn't make sense that it would be for the rich only in that there is a portrait of a tailor with pinking all over. But I guess one could say that he needs to show off his work. De -----Original Message----- First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching for years for that elusive text source. Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 17:04:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UL4iv9022924 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:04:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9UL4XiE024027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9UL3VPD023603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UL3PqI021832; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:03:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UL3KAI021734 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ABDA1FD200D6; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:02:18 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <005101c81ad1$4abf7ed0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraitsofQueenElizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:03:31 -0700 Message-ID: <005e01c81b38$54037390$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgbLIaNl8ZP7fkoTlCnpS40dfDJPQAC3SgQ X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04da17d8-4d41-4776-84ab-d6059f1a260d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47279C61.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think the idea was it so weakened the fabric, it couldn't be re-used. Or maybe it could be re-used, but not as originally intended. Silk could be used for a gown for a noblewoman, but only as facings for someone of lesser rank. I will try to remember/find where I saw the reference. S. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraitsofQueenElizabeth So how would a middle class or poor person deal with a pinked or slashed hand me down? -----Original Message----- I think he was Italian. The sumptuary rules were for England only. -----Original Message----- It doesn't make sense that it would be for the rich only in that there is a portrait of a tailor with pinking all over. But I guess one could say that he needs to show off his work. De -----Original Message----- First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching for years for that elusive text source. Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 17:50:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ULoqfE023878 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:50:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9ULoaW0006198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:50:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9ULnxXU031091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ULntjO082848; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:49:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ULnqsU082772 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 63026379E8 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:49:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new'portraitsofQueenElizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <005e01c81b38$54037390$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3042e51c-90b4-4b90-a03e-395b934cebe6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4727A72C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I wish I could remember where I read it but on some extant pinked clothing there was a glue substance that I thought sounded like our version of fray check. Also some weaves and fabric do not fray as badly as some with wear and tear. And considering that there are extant garments that are pinked, it shows that they are not that weak. In Janet Arnold's book, PoF 1560 - 1620, pg. 149 a green satin doublet with major pinking and cut. I doubt that a farmer would have a pinked doublet as the pinking is not practical but middle class might. De -----Original Message----- I think the idea was it so weakened the fabric, it couldn't be re-used. Or maybe it could be re-used, but not as originally intended. Silk could be used for a gown for a noblewoman, but only as facings for someone of lesser rank. I will try to remember/find where I saw the reference. S. -----Original Message----- So how would a middle class or poor person deal with a pinked or slashed hand me down? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 22:17:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V2Hd0o030103 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:17:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9V2HREg024280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:17:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9V2GK0R078716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V2GHJr058798; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9UEbYas086043 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so116998ugd for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:37:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=5mXP9LHeNbtavJn6bRQLPw1OFALEGKcCDykbczN+wQ0=; b=UDH/L9605Z0dyZXn75xzfPlGXDDM7TwNWwY0a44ndIeB/Cp/0vnixtRdm76P68dTe6JC6JKlj8tmfC3687KtpxM67rX2Qg012Z1bx3l28r5xJWmCrEVA9nwdMKCRe0U+zsQsV2+UQqgLXYo4AwPmvwC6D4/HvN+2IkAZ5FcUuH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=H4BA7LzVu4zi6z/LCp+PvIFVEDcJxOC9pLvaWCqlu0yxoei+P9ejVftbnd0CFCTdJusKb5DjMLOfr+/47kUIfYts/Q4Ct1znKRG44GlpnbgxHOsFfnsuvnNWBirTz4FlohlKpB3Tb/wWwsxFet79l6hUr1PTTki6qbt9aXF5/qA= Received: by 10.142.201.3 with SMTP id y3mr1671786wff.1193755046528; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.33.123]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm11828509wrl.2007.10.30.07.37.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200710271453.l9RErNeZ093819@net.indra.com> <000b01c81a78$07a264e0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <47267043.3d19360a.5b7b.680d@mx.google.com> <005001c81ad1$1d12af70$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> In-Reply-To: <005001c81ad1$1d12af70$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:37:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgY7DReK+NDN/nSQsOSRcfE6cOCJwBi4x/wAAMjTzAAExnj0AAL9O+w Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <472741a5.270c360a.4ef6.4cbc@mx.google.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: f9e70ed4-9d75-4b0d-891c-c5e6c10afd9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4727E5B7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sweet! If you find the name of the book that quotes that, that would be great. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:45 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth I do recall recently reading a list of sumptuary rules and noticing that pinking/slashing was one of the things reserved for nobility. It said something like, slashing/pinking may only be used if the person has a rank of Baron or above. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chiara Francesca Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:44 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching for years for that elusive text source. Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:07 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth I agree on them being slashes and small cut out diamonds. I've heard such slashings were a sign the wearer was wealthy, as they could afford to "ruin" fabric with such work, as it made the fabric weaker and more difficult to reuse. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 3 'new' portraits of Queen Elizabeth On the zoom at Sotheby's they look more like puffs/slash then a stud. But definitely not a jewel. The first picture from Chiara's site indicates that they are slashes, small pinkings between embroidered "Xs". You find the pink and X pattern on the sleeves under the arm where the horizontal slashes are. Note that the gold trim along the edge of the wide band at the hem is not solid gold, per say, it is either a lace type trim where you have two rows alternating in solid and open to create a two row check pattern or it is a braid or gold and red (russet?) alternating to create the two row checky pattern. This cording(?) is found on the bodice and sleeves. Also on the wide bodice and sleeves, the leaf pattern, the leaves may be pinking with a kind of running stitch for the stem but this is not 100% for sure. There is a possibility that the Xs and stem are gold wrapped thread. A sort of bullion stitch. On majority of the gown the stem and leaf pattern is singular, on the hem it is doubled and running in the same direction with a running line between them so as to looking a stem and leave are running in the other direction. The partlet is not as white as the sleeve puffs so it indicates that it probably is a sheer material. The embroidery appears to be polychrome and there looks to be some kind of drawn thread work on the main body of it. The ruffle is edged in gold and red/russet. Though at first glance the sleeves appear to have a sleeve roll, it is actually a darnley style sleeve. The singular stem and leaf embroidery on each side of the vertical slashes runs all the way to the arms eye. What gives the impression of a roll is that there is two stem and leaf with trim running parallel to the arms eye that has puffs coming out between the rows. The bodice neckline is snipped with white puffs. This dress appears to have a French influence. De -----Original Message----- At 04:15 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote: >Here are the Norris comparison images >http://www.glove.org/costume/current/elizabeth1.php > >Chiara Francesca OK, so are those diamonds slashes, or jewels, or studs? I'm thinking studs, myself. I'm talking on the skirt. Hmmm..... Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 22:19:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V2Jecm030160 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:19:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9V2JSUm021627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:19:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9V2J88M079271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V2J62F061502; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9ULLlJa047666 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so309533ana for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:21:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aECYfY6NRpppzqRyzLHQPRul14fcuevZ5SlhvITvWzA=; b=unopxwJDMOlpNbPZvdOjD+f94G85haS4x9+8RjyShbOgrHYbSkc6SJDZUMClneNOiwu+QxvBVjqnfY+PPPPOtoN4yaldz9xcTkYaiM69frSIqzjXz3SNKri+WdaLLtTH5SHv5aGrMLx/b3IyY/1iALUy9vIcF+8lUFbNvAyA0wM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qlNAyZuBufKRu95WkhpVNw2EfRNdFimDcbE2rjyRpnJBlGFo7wl8K5NhKY4eSjWlyShzAZKpQyUTSRjEE93Jv1B6PLu7ssLYHRMN5maD5I9CQ8EDPHNkte9KL7zFqfvQMNzEjBaOZ3p4S+ApwBeuXVYXFMYR2Qn+sCT/xMO82Ug= Received: by 10.100.248.9 with SMTP id v9mr2191756anh.1193779306770; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.101.10 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590710301421n1b21b835s4752c3ee189988cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:21:46 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraitsofQueenElizabeth In-Reply-To: <005e01c81b38$54037390$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <005101c81ad1$4abf7ed0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> <005e01c81b38$54037390$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: a31fbd5d-915d-42a9-ba67-13863757342d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4727E630.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In PoF, there is a gown that it's noted was probably remade at some point, because of the slashing patterns. A portion of the skirt I believe that didn't line up with the rest/all over scheme. I'll have to look that up as soon as I finish the current project and Halloween... alex On Oct 30, 2007 4:03 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I think the idea was it so weakened the fabric, it couldn't be re-used. Or > maybe it could be re-used, but not as originally intended. Silk could be > used for a gown for a noblewoman, but only as facings for someone of lesser > rank. I will try to remember/find where I saw the reference. > S. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > So how would a middle class or poor person deal with a pinked or slashed > hand me down? > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 23:18:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V3IiUp031533 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:18:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9V3IXpm019302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:18:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9V3HOpq084417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V3HKKh004688; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1c.socket.net [216.106.88.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V3HHws004643 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E99E3B10E for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:17:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new'portraitsofQueenElizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <870801590710301421n1b21b835s4752c3ee189988cf@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccad2099-0580-4b1f-a37a-16ec75f37686 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4727F409.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A 1610 loose gown P.118 and I think it was not due to the slashing but the wear and tear of the hem. De -----Original Message----- In PoF, there is a gown that it's noted was probably remade at some point, because of the slashing patterns. A portion of the skirt I believe that didn't line up with the rest/all over scheme. I'll have to look that up as soon as I finish the current project and Halloween... alex On Oct 30, 2007 4:03 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I think the idea was it so weakened the fabric, it couldn't be re-used. Or > maybe it could be re-used, but not as originally intended. Silk could be > used for a gown for a noblewoman, but only as facings for someone of lesser > rank. I will try to remember/find where I saw the reference. > S. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > So how would a middle class or poor person deal with a pinked or slashed > hand me down? > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 30 23:32:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V3WQuC031831 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:32:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9V3WEhu010922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:32:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9V3VqKx086498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V3VqiI017788; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V3VmDb017726 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([71.253.211.160]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JQR006PFB4IJI22@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:31:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:31:29 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraitsofQueenElizabeth To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <002701c81b6e$870d08b0$0400000a@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f743f4d-bd11-4860-b4b1-0265579b2fdc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4727F73F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am not certain what period we are discussing, but I just took a look at the Elizabethan Sumptuary laws (Statues of Apparel). There is nothing listed prohibiting slashes or pinking. Most of the restrictions are for cloth or color (though some are for weaponry or horse tack). Remember also, that historically sumpturary taxes have never been effective. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraitsofQueenElizabeth > So how would a middle class or poor person deal with a pinked or slashed > hand me down? > > -----Original Message----- > I think he was Italian. The sumptuary rules were for England only. > > -----Original Message----- > It doesn't make sense that it would be for the rich only in that there is > a > portrait of a tailor with pinking all over. But I guess one could say that > he needs to show off his work. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > > First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is > referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. > > Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh > of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching > for > years for that elusive text source. > > Chiara Francesca > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 01:59:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V5xCuH003944 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:59:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9V5x0am014537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:59:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9V5vqZI005435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V5vn0x024236; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9V5vehj024131 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9131F8802FC; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 05:56:35 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <002701c81b6e$870d08b0$0400000a@owner85a4f9e93> Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new'portraitsofQueenElizabeth Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:57:49 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c81b82$f8105ee0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <002701c81b6e$870d08b0$0400000a@owner85a4f9e93> Thread-Index: AcgbboTkbBO8VnvkR9Wo7M4I00dOKgAE/ZqQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c431dd42-c8ec-4b0c-ad6d-e540ab103900 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 472819A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yeah, I checked out the stuff online and didn't find the reference to slashing, but I know I saw it somewhere, this summer. Trouble is, I flit all over the internet, so it could have been anywhere. It even could have been an "in-house" rule seen on one of the Ren Faire sites. If I ever come across it again, I'm flagging it! S. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ron Carnegie Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new'portraitsofQueenElizabeth I am not certain what period we are discussing, but I just took a look at the Elizabethan Sumptuary laws (Statues of Apparel). There is nothing listed prohibiting slashes or pinking. Most of the restrictions are for cloth or color (though some are for weaponry or horse tack). Remember also, that historically sumpturary taxes have never been effective. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 'new' portraitsofQueenElizabeth > So how would a middle class or poor person deal with a pinked or slashed > hand me down? > > -----Original Message----- > I think he was Italian. The sumptuary rules were for England only. > > -----Original Message----- > It doesn't make sense that it would be for the rich only in that there is > a > portrait of a tailor with pinking all over. But I guess one could say that > he needs to show off his work. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > > First, the first image on my site is the one from the book everyone is > referring to, the second image IS the one that is on auction. > > Second, can you cite where you read that cuts of various types were a sigh > of wealth? That would be a mecca for many of us who have been searching > for > years for that elusive text source. > > Chiara Francesca > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 16:17:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VKHN31003165 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:17:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VKHBAi010332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9VKFQnY061038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VKFHPf075564; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VKFBAQ075380 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so226014nfd for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=/0K+0Yg7OnoecnHMCaizfKAHXzTgtv5YMjvrpUMqW+8=; b=G8HaV7Gw2KWS8PK/b9B/9cMpDIOb0GvlmMk0XNin+U8V1ABtSxuTHax7lGyhtxpypCwJGwxLCca7teTNc0YygOF9q+EInd8v9E3fqgkH2P+q6R179M4FNEMq9hTNdS0dXtnMdQvPSAtysRjwypr9ly8iKyXDNul4mg5/l+gBU0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Jg7iDPXASJnTYZmcDoUmhremUVbJN8Qdm4+cCIkDG4PTczREEWS4PJXuCYvkaac7jBGtgugtAcFBRybraR0E81N6rtsHwGdTDWdyJB92NizUs9H7KGBg9+l06lFDWYGSE5dDhSE5cb/Wcey+dEjhLhCkGOi1+tIZdC7qZXhRfQA= Received: by 10.86.25.17 with SMTP id 17mr6870502fgy.1193861710133; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.72.1 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0710311315h3c6fae8fqd1726011ca7f4a17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:15:10 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21dd908c-1c7a-4b47-aa92-052251c7e57a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4728E2C7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I know I'm not the only one... I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice too! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 16:25:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VKPqK4003328 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:25:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VKPc25023900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:25:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9VKPEal062483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VKOpTZ088133; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VKOi0u087808 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from auntiegert@att.net) Received: from mycomputer (37.los-angeles-14rh16rt-15rh15rt.ca.dial-access.att.net[12.72.54.37]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2007103120243511200mjhf4e>; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:24:35 +0000 From: "Terri" To: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:24:26 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c81bfc$0f75dc30$fd93fea9@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acgb6KQg319FqMoiTR6zadYy/khvLgAC4dZg In-Reply-To: <200710311805.l9VI4aO6094490@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb51b8e8-4e2a-4c2a-88fc-58a3b2fbaa3a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4728E4C2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Terri Casey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 17:05:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VL5BWj004205 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:05:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VL4xr3025967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9VL4HjS067528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VL4CM6037568; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:04:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailforward1.unl.edu (mailforward1.unl.edu [129.93.1.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VL479W037442 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:04:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by mailforward1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VL47tK031834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:04:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VL4781017432 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:04:07 -0500 Received: from h164.179.16.98.ip.alltel.net (h164.179.16.98.ip.alltel.net [98.16.179.164]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:04:07 -0500 Message-ID: <20071031160407.b63o2nqp5w4s0ksw@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:04:07 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume References: <16a2233a0710311315h3c6fae8fqd1726011ca7f4a17@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0710311315h3c6fae8fqd1726011ca7f4a17@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4645/Wed Oct 31 02:55:58 2007 on mailforward1.unl.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9344e226-a1cd-47c2-86c6-5099c4e5c9e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4728EDFB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Audrey Bergeron-Morin : > I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval > clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For > one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be > something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work > have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, > also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? I completely understand! I compromised once by wearing my (now) husband's Tudor and saying I was Henry VIII. Another time I wore one of my historical costumes, but it's not a period I normally work with, it was a one-off. This year, I'm a historical preenactor! http://dresdencodak.com/store/shirts.html#preenactment It's been funny going through all the things I think are necessary for a "futuristic" costume. A corset, for example. And hardcore boots. And welding goggles. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 17:40:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VLenRN004944 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:40:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VLeb8k029449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:40:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9VLdUXe071868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:39:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VLdPT2080854; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VLdLgF080653 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.153] (sjs-130-65-37-153.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.153]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VLdCoU013558 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0710311315h3c6fae8fqd1726011ca7f4a17@mail.gmail.com> References: <16a2233a0710311315h3c6fae8fqd1726011ca7f4a17@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <42CC37D4-DB8A-4B44-9376-33955BC59489@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:38:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57612bb4-8683-4377-8299-f08f2989d890 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4728F655.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Oct 31, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval > clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For > one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be > something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work > have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, > also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? I worked Faire. I don't wear Elizabethans for anything other than Elizabethan events anymore (not that I've gone to Elizabethan events in recent years nor do any of my Elizabethans fit, but neither is relevant). I'm wearing 18th century Japanese in gaudy plaids and prints, because Japanese is still a relatively new costuming phase for me, and it's barely 2 months old. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 19:16:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VNG1aL007706 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:16:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VNFnRx012357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:15:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9VNEhum084225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VNEdaO089139; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VNEZQx088995 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:14:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from BAYC1-PASMTP09 ([65.54.191.182]) by bay0-omc2-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:14:30 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [70.48.165.27] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Received: from ngbju5gve9v2kt ([70.48.165.27]) by bayc1-pasmtp09.bayc1.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:18:32 -0700 From: "Shane & Sheridan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <16a2233a0710311315h3c6fae8fqd1726011ca7f4a17@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:14:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2007 23:18:32.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A7CEF80:01C81C14] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7337c48f-e658-4ae9-876d-fe51545ba28a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47290CA5.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I did not have time to put together the costume I wanted to this year, so I 'cheated' and used a dance costume - Hand embroidered caftan (Palestine style), black turban and about 10 lbs of Afghan jewelry. Everyone loved it, but I was feeling somewhat cheated. :0) Now I'm wearing a skull dress, and purple dreadfalls, and am about to go to the pub for supper and a drink. Sheridan P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume >I know I'm not the only one... > > I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval > clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For > one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be > something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work > have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, > also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? > > So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my > way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice > too! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 19:24:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VNON3d007940 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:24:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l9VNOCng029589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9VNNigV087018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VNNgsf099854; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VNNd9M099728 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-76-120-1-67.hsd1.co.comcast.net[76.120.1.67]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007103123233201100rrtgle>; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:23:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <16a2233a0710311315h3c6fae8fqd1726011ca7f4a17@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0efff35bd850bdb5d215d76e89f81f80@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:23:31 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 345de252-342b-4e46-9f54-5ee7a69a7fff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47290E9C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Why does everyone think that's cheating? Why should you have to make a new costume every year? Heck, I make costumes and clothing for everyone else all year long so I never have time to make anything for myself. I would be thrilled to have any costume to wear on Halloween. For about 5 years now I've been wanting to make a Norma Desmond costume from Sunset Blvd for myself--complete with the pinkie cigarette holder, sunglasses and chin strap she wears to bed, but I've never had time. Maybe next year... Sylrog On Oct 31, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Shane & Sheridan wrote: > I did not have time to put together the costume I wanted to this year, > so I 'cheated' and used a dance costume - Hand embroidered caftan > (Palestine style), black turban and about 10 lbs of Afghan jewelry. > > Everyone loved it, but I was feeling somewhat cheated. :0) > > Now I'm wearing a skull dress, and purple dreadfalls, and am about to > go to the pub for supper and a drink. > > Sheridan P. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:15 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume > > >> I know I'm not the only one... >> >> I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval >> clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For >> one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be >> something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work >> have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, >> also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? >> >> So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my >> way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice >> too! >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 20:27:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA10RQHB009723 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:27:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA10REaf022342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:27:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA10QDZF093554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA10Q7RH055230; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA10Q4A9055186 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D374700048 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:21:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <16a2233a0710311315h3c6fae8fqd1726011ca7f4a17@mail.gmail.com> <0efff35bd850bdb5d215d76e89f81f80@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <0efff35bd850bdb5d215d76e89f81f80@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710312021.59712.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 536b056e-31dd-4640-85e6-dce3882e0e26 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47291D62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Why does everyone think that's cheating? Why should you have to make a > new costume every year? Heck, I make costumes and clothing for > everyone else all year long so I never have time to make anything for > myself. I would be thrilled to have any costume to wear on Halloween. > For about 5 years now I've been wanting to make a Norma Desmond costume > from Sunset Blvd for myself--complete with the pinkie cigarette holder, > sunglasses and chin strap she wears to bed, but I've never had time. > Maybe next year... I have so much costume-related material--of all types, from LARPs and other events--that I never make a Halloween costume either. I merely scrounge through the stuff for a combination of stuff that strikes my fancy. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 21:01:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA111aKG010735 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:01:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA111OEj007305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:01:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA110m8v096767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:00:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA110kAl084235; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:00:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA110gdY084127 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:00:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 2972 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2007 01:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.247.238 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2007 01:00:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _XdwHIwVM1mqbmtUNnDRFr8xDQcjUD4m2OM1EMLcJWr8SMLGgs.onS9WgLKRY8.Jt7nKWR6g39ntjfDsXdAPpiKcdlHE30GEi24IGeWzAYwJmVp0q7Bx Message-ID: <001901c81c22$9ccc7550$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001d01c81bfc$0f75dc30$fd93fea9@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:00:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 843a31b1-c234-4936-835a-7f170f2aa94c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47292564.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have severel antique headpieces and was never able to tell if they featured real waxed blossoms or is they were formed with wax over cloth. Thanks for your input. For this doll, I will use tiny faux flowers dipped in wax and mount them on a garland of faux boxwood,for the gown. the headpiece will be a wire form with additional flowers treated in the same way...following the crown design of one of my antiques. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms >I am in the process of doing my niece's wedding gown circa 1898. I was > fortunate enough to see a vintage headwreath for a wedding ensemble and > the > blossoms referred to are actually little replica orange blossoms moulded > in > wax ,hand painted and I believe they had some sort of shellac over the wax > since it had browned a bit and was cracked. Hope that helps. > > Terri Casey > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 21:10:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA11AFsI011024 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:10:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA119wCK032029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:10:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA119bRg097580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA119b80091425; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us (spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA119WuN091363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:09:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (nat-pri-181-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.110.181]) by xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58426CF8048 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:09:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <001d01c81bfc$0f75dc30$fd93fea9@mycomputer> Thread-Index: Acgb6KQg319FqMoiTR6zadYy/khvLgAC4dZgAAuSLsA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20071101010931.58426CF8048@xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2b7f031-14c5-482b-a483-a8e02b223095 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47292766.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 31 21:53:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA11rZ93012452 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:53:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA11rNie007642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:53:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA11qJlT001839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:52:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA11qG3G027514; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA11qC4M027420 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200711010152.lA11qC4M027420@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 23037 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2007 18:52:12 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 22763, pid: 23007, t: 8.9506s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m:42/d:4639 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_90_100, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2007 18:52:03 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:47:33 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Newsletter - 10/31/07 - Final Week - Sunday is the Last Day to Buy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4df6ab74-2c13-4267-931c-c6c875ea9038 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47293193.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you look at old photos of the turn of the century(20th) you will see some wedding gowns that were 'sprigged' with "orange blossoms" for a wedding; these trims were then removed (and saved?), so that all such trims might not have been used for the headpiece. Your treasure trove gives me some evidence that the florals might have been faux...at least for the middle class. Thanks for the contribution. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms >I have the remains of either a great or gr-gr grandmother's headpiece. It >is > a mix of cloth flowers coated in wax and "buds" which appear almost > entirely > wax though they are too light so the core must be something else. The > leaves > are green fabric very lightly coated. Unfortunately it's been disjointed > so > I have no idea how it was originally arranged. And, it was stored in an > attic and the wax softened enough that parts are quite well stuck > together. > > Beth Chamberlain > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 00:34:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA14YcqN018067 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:34:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA14YQGu006125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:34:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA14XKW9017526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:33:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA14XF1i065722; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us (spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA14XAuS065665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:33:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (nat-pri-181-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.110.181]) by xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F6FCF8044 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:32:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <003a01c81c2c$5559b3e0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Thread-Index: AcgcLHu6Srjzs/nvQ5KXJMrEnO43qgAEumag X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20071101043304.26F6FCF8044@xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74734f90-cf9a-4104-a6e8-8068204b470b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47295752.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just took all the pieces out of their box and underneath the tissue paper they have tried to melt onto was a note: "Orange blossoms on veil Lavilla May LaCoste Murphy Nov. 15, 1894" That would be my great grandmother. When she married she was middle class but pretty much at the upper edge of that. I probably have a hundred pictures of her but no wedding pictures. If anyone is interested I posted a few pictures of the flowers. Unfortunately they are quite beaten up. Beth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LLOYD MITCHELL Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms If you look at old photos of the turn of the century(20th) you will see some wedding gowns that were 'sprigged' with "orange blossoms" for a wedding; these trims were then removed (and saved?), so that all such trims might not have been used for the headpiece. Your treasure trove gives me some evidence that the florals might have been faux...at least for the middle class. Thanks for the contribution. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms >I have the remains of either a great or gr-gr grandmother's headpiece. It >is > a mix of cloth flowers coated in wax and "buds" which appear almost > entirely > wax though they are too light so the core must be something else. The > leaves > are green fabric very lightly coated. Unfortunately it's been disjointed > so > I have no idea how it was originally arranged. And, it was stored in an > attic and the wax softened enough that parts are quite well stuck > together. > > Beth Chamberlain > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 07:26:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1BQ532018605 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:26:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1BPs8A005767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1BOxcM076016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1BOvNC016831; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l9VKkrdK015776 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so63429ana for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:46:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=/AfHlNp1FpViRCq+mN812C94dh1MQlNKm7EQYj+tFa8=; b=PY4JS+lQOAmUiRTCThpDRVlYM4SSV1TU4SEkuIzwfvqf+gvvJHeFaf4hQdFD38bqsVrVRZClwefot/bY0AmWbGJgHuVlJDoTwkKhXSnegUz1XwXLJhrVH5JUUDeAJkVewlNM+Us5YEJsDEOSyddJfLKcrf+qYAVswoLo8xPcsSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hc4KPgZQ8PVIJEHLnuSZXfnBjc5Vh4mxOxOE3I2yT18OCEMqZSqTj0tmKrWhZCa+Ml8OTOJC+u1npMy39WFmw6g4vfI0rZE7IUePD/PsNGKy1pfqv6UFA5xSv6PSBELmyVv+TlFwIOfM5YyrA9efQvdJqJy68AsE7NROGoKfUxQ= Received: by 10.100.255.10 with SMTP id c10mr2572936ani.1193863613150; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.101.10 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590710311346p5f64542cx1ae803117d06ef81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:46:53 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: [h-cost] on old subject - Elizabethan Corsets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: c234b269-d028-47a3-969b-eb101e263b50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4729B7C2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In going through an old account I found the following email and was wondering if those involved have more information? I just made a pair of bodices that was boned, yet intended to wear as the outer garment on more casual occasions, under a more formal gown when "dressing up". I am trying to gather all the documentation that I can on the subject to support / explain my choices for this and a bigger project... thanks alex E House wrote: From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-Elizabethan Tudor Corset a Myth! (was PrincessElizabeth) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:53:36 -0600 CC: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > While I agree with you, I would love to know the specific documentation > you have on this. I am working on an upcoming show and tell lecture for my > faire community where I deal with various Ren-faire costuming myths being > busted by showing the historical images, if any, or other historical > documentation that is available. While this was something I guessed at, it > isn't something I've been able to show a "proof" of either way. I would > love to be able to do so. Well, this is going to be the short version! I have a room full of new cloth and I want to go sew now! =} It is largely deductive; it can't help but be, in the absence of some document from 1550 saying "I wish mightily that they woulde make alle good speed to invent the bloddy corset already, els I will surely bust myne seames." However, the best proof lies in its conspicuous absense in places where it certainly should be present if worn. For example, here's a quote from 1532-5 by Francois Rabelais: "Next to the smock they put on the pretty kirtle or vasquin of pure silk chamelot; above that went the taffatie or tabi vardingale, of white, red tanne, gray or any other colour; above this taffatie petticoat they had another of cloth of tissue or brocade, embroidered with fine gold, and interlaced with needlework or as they thought good." Now if they wore corsets, it would surely be listed here, yes? You find the same conspicuous absence in inventories of the day. Instead, the inventories and other accounts of the day DO list what they used instead. In the quote above, it is the "pretty kirtle or vasquin" [the vasquine being a garment with a stiffened bodice and a skirt]. In an inventory of the era, it is: "3 ells white Parchet (fustian) under the bodice at 27 pfund for stiffening." For Katherine of Aragon in her last years, it was "Item, three breeste clothis of Hollande cloth with tapis of the same." Also helpful are descriptions by foreigners of the odd things they found while traveling. Here's a quote from a travelogue by a Spanish courtier who accompanied Prince Phillip to England in 1554; I'm including more that necessary here, because it's funny, and also useful to anyone dealing with this period: "The Queen, however, is not at all beautiful; small, and rather flabby than fat, she is of white complexion and fair, and has no eyebrows. She is a perfect saint, and dresses badly. All the women here wear petticoats of coloured cloth without admixture of silk, and above come coloured robes of damask, satin or velvet, very badly cut. Their shoes are sometimes of velvet, but more often of leather, and they wear black stockings and show their legs up to the knee when walking. As their skirts are not long they are passably immodest when walking, and even when seated. They are neither beautiful nor graceful when dancing, and their dances only consist in strutting or trotting about. Not a single Spanish gentleman has fallen in love with one of them nor takes any interest in them, and their feelings for us are the same." Here we get more speculative and deductive; the Spanish almost certainly originated the vasquine (described above) and therefore are used to seeing firm figures. In fact, the supported body is called a "spagnolized body" in 1588. As one can easily fit over a firm underpinning such as the vasquine (or a corset), clothing fit without the benefit of these firm underpinnings will indeed look badly cut to a Spanish eye, and a Mary will indeed look flabby without support. The travelogue is also useful in tracking who's got it and who doesn't, when it does arrive. For example, a Venetian ambassador visiting France described the following in 1577: "French women have inconcievably narrow waists ...[stuff about farthingales]. Over the chemise they wear a corset or bodice, that they call a "corps pique" which makes their shape more delicate and more slender. It is fastened behind which helps show off the form of the bust." This tells us that while the French had the corset in 1577, the Venetians most likely did not. [Note: the word 'corset' here doesn't mean much, for two reasons. First, this is a translation, and I don't know what word was actually used in the original. Second, 'corset' didn't mean 'corset' in the modern sense until around the early 19th century. More on that below.] Finally, there's the matter of the amount of notice that corsets attracted when they began to be known. They're commented on, they're preached against, they're made fun of in verse, and generally start a noticeable buzz. Earlier, all sorts of fashion innovations are ridiculed; if corsets existed in the same places earlier, surely they would be ridiculed there as well! Here's an example: "These privie coates, by art made strong with bones, with past, with such like ware Whereby their backe and sides grow long, and now they harnest gallants are; Were they for use against the foe, Our dames for amazones might goe." (Stephen Gosson, 1596) >From here, I'll let you look into it, but here's a few tips. First, if you don't already have them, get or check out: "Corsets and Crinolines" by Norah Waugh "The Corset: A Cultural History" by Valerie Steele Neither is absolutely infallible, but both will be very helpful. Second, watch out for the terminology in inventories, letters, etc. Like I noted above, a corset is not a corset. A corse isn't one either, for that matter. Words and phrases to watch for are: pair of bodies petticoat bodies corps a pique' French bodice/bodies privy coat whalebone bodice/bodies Third, here is the approximate corset timeline I've worked out. It's rough and I'm doing it by memory rather than looking at my notes, so disclaimer, etc. c1500-20: popularization of the busk [Italian] c1520: vasquine [Spanish] c1520-1570: vasquine spreads across Europe; bodices in general are stiffened, but do not become a separate garment c1570-77: separate stiffened bodice [French] c1580-1590: 'French bodice' infiltrates England Hope this helps. You can distribute it/use it for teaching, but please keep my name attached! Elena House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. 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And it would be kind of boring. And, > also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? > > So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my > way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice > too! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 07:27:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1BRQpV018671 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:27:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1BRFor011795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:27:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1BQtnE076495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:26:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1BQs89018944; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:26:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA13QDcR006236 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46517 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2007 03:26:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=L9y0YBxHNOlIQNpnnxwgrKy17WdNwmixuyhWtpJfGOhwYgeg7zUeN/+4AlRf6kJks+46h5Kuj3wzn+ZYji7hH2ZxmAP0vsx9Hi/IifDYeSGS31HjENK88sldgDCDGtactzfnN0D/5v8pldtcenvClnY+rvv0GXf8BjqIJoisl6k=; X-YMail-OSG: PwvOahQVM1nRTAZcBrkzXKTcYlgaQBFnSIxAOWMjEK4kWhJidfRVHBIMJ4vSmrhpEzcqufiifhTl50J_J2vVuwVa4qjGzvrgqhmp9EplBqPsvuZy2FdGWNUOfxznHax9aS4xBuaNlOOMe1Q- Received: from [70.130.178.255] by web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:26:07 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200711010109.lA119cPR091450@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <568675.45835.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: 6b87be75-2b5e-46d1-bc05-151079d20e29 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4729B813.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 07:27:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1BRjsj018681 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:27:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1BRYg1006600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:27:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1BRGQU076564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1BRGtG019276; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us (spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA14ZpAB067467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (nat-pri-181-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.110.181]) by xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DCECF8044 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: FW: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:35:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acgb6KQg319FqMoiTR6zadYy/khvLgAC4dZgAAuSLsAAB3bN8A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20071101043549.69DCECF8044@xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist X-UUID: 27b6b4ef-a135-4210-bb1e-fcfb3a62f84e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4729B826.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I guess including the link would have been helpful. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=452nioh3.7h56f6ev&x=0&y=-l0cwzu Beth -----Original Message----- From: Beth Chamberlain [mailto:bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:09 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms I have the remains of either a great or gr-gr grandmother's headpiece. It is a mix of cloth flowers coated in wax and "buds" which appear almost entirely wax though they are too light so the core must be something else. The leaves are green fabric very lightly coated. Unfortunately it's been disjointed so I have no idea how it was originally arranged. And, it was stored in an attic and the wax softened enough that parts are quite well stuck together. Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume