From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 08:28:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1CSncV021085 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:28:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1CScd5012086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:28:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1CRVu2087040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1CRSgR078493; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA1CRPvY078389 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 80692 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2007 12:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.166.69 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2007 12:27:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2wl.pKQVM1nu9YXAkVO3X_aigfhrCyVsnsAsBsKA4MMtkpD.0ZmmH5ehSyKtLxNvg3ubLM9jrsQqYofFNwRyPsAimwXCDAMLQ0mRWKp4mo.2mVG9TronvT.9Qdb7ovM- Message-ID: <002201c81c82$8c071620$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071101043549.69DCECF8044@xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:27:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31a18b2a-5e5b-4250-963c-f8a392dd87ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4729C676.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO These do look similar to some of mine. Part of this seems to be garland-like. I have some wedding photos that I found while traveling, and many were from the New Branfells TX. where there was a German culture the turn of the 20th C. The women are dressed in dark (black?) gowns. What distinguishes the pics as 'wedding' is the peculiar garland that drapes across the head from knee to knee...no other veil. The grooms sport a boutinere of like flowers. My head pieces are all with a wire ring or stiffened band ; this is wrapped with ribbon and the flowers are attached with a very fine wire. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:35 AM Subject: FW: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms >I guess including the link would have been helpful. > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=452nioh3.7h56f6ev&x=0&y=-l0cwzu > > Beth > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth Chamberlain [mailto:bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:09 PM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: RE: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms > > I have the remains of either a great or gr-gr grandmother's headpiece. It > is > a mix of cloth flowers coated in wax and "buds" which appear almost > entirely > wax though they are too light so the core must be something else. The > leaves > are green fabric very lightly coated. Unfortunately it's been disjointed > so > I have no idea how it was originally arranged. And, it was stored in an > attic and the wax softened enough that parts are quite well stuck > together. > > Beth Chamberlain > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 12:32:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1GWadb027885 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:32:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1GWOLq021478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:32:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1GPRo6023976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1GP9iG050092; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailforward1.unl.edu (mailforward1.unl.edu [129.93.1.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1GP2hf049932 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: from wm-imp-1.unl.edu (wm-imp-1.unl.edu [129.93.2.180]) by mailforward1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1GP2Wh012506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:25:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1GP1ut007260 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:25:02 -0500 Received: from pcp041246pcs.unl.edu (pcp041246pcs.unl.edu [129.93.124.185]) by wm-imp-1.unl.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:25:01 -0500 Message-ID: <20071101112501.z8hyv3eb4ows0kwg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:25:01 -0500 From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume References: <568675.45835.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <568675.45835.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4655/Thu Nov 1 02:41:48 2007 on mailforward1.unl.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c71b2bc-5e8d-4c5d-b314-9eb924f73d0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4729FF98.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 12:48:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1GmWKI028234 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:48:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1GmKoe021561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1Gll69029148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1GliYm082819; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1GlcVF082666 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:47:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so501112ugd for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:47:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=aKfBCwrgl01C+k0Gtjgcg6nwlpf41il4bk2RzUFXBRc=; b=pfBhEhrhoQxYIlG3ETlLSgXBenAOrdK33ef1CUUuxttZxKOMaM/FJUQZwUzE6exp7c3NYExO9/QGJhVAYYICj4BbdrObpEXpuM6o2l23/QsoZWv+0pzjZKArMPXjfuvf1zvnHYA14IU4nSmmdKH04EaeVUo+0pBQJLoiXXICwMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=k6q0K/mp5uU0NzTnGgm4yy55GQ7TM8PGLF4BWqH17xLsmtwVZRrZhNiXAqIusnmWs8c0f6Why9gJp4xn4IescIMajFjv4Qu72fy6L2Y7DD60/ZZxTKNZrzzEzs7BLZIth1Sy0tnA2YKXg7gHsfddfhkXeS7Yu85cSStxaMG7ywo= Received: by 10.142.115.10 with SMTP id n10mr215896wfc.1193935655630; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:47:35 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:pinking and slashing was: 3 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4d7e955-2349-42d9-9617-614c99f19e30 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472A0354.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Gotta run, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com De> Iwish I could remember where I read it but on some extant pinked clothing there was a glue substance that I thought sounded like our version of fray check. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 14:30:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1IU3O3030634 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:30:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1ITpeB023800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:29:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1ISnmS054566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1IScgc023777; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:28:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA1IRiFT022719 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:28:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tesswhitecrow@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21213 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2007 18:27:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=XzbWRPaGzRPEQk/CgYUjMBuCwj9wwcjmiSrrMForbH7Op3OMayIFHjNkr6sHlfoDnVr76q8vXno5xSSoBYLMgyUlZkH7fZFJssCQmDviHXt613xL7VNa/kD3HiKEJ4W3eQpb/S4LLaASyuWHCEnH2VM7Atbe8CvJfIAjaZ5KB7Q=; X-YMail-OSG: k6JCpDkVM1nGNRsAFESxuxi3lxloqoX3w07yk5tv_LKqnxkUouz6hSca2Y5wQ3jaAw-- Received: from [65.31.226.66] by web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:27:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tess To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <205357.21145.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers-Metrics: om; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Have I reached Heaven? :) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5bf9f41f-0992-4847-aed0-059154ac4e6f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 472A1B1F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 15:09:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1J9lhl031323 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1J9ZXP003172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:09:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1J916T064100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:09:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1J8vul080438; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1J8phJ080307 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so529741rvf for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=gr1ogLZfQvuonxB5evvsvl00fEDlSD6cn23vU3NFxRw=; b=Kqw1UGcCAbzWnembisotuK/lScrYnTgCuit75gRpTO0oNAVPlF+oNH+Yrn8uBEbz/PzhzQCS4OWpEPBEaT/n4Zcbx3b22al9cR6hmWHaV0fuaTKyAGv4Rb7Sj6jV3F3YfnZA8x77EiWDtfaUOkle0XAk3aJGHbB/kuvWiaEOEK8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=BJ2HfQAQsYlSKZ+FQlPjknSdGXQEf/n41wvFLCke9TcoFHkoP4Vll6rC62hBtLqtrHVBXz/pdDYvyTD77sRog3YJrpTxB91PP+Ynk8h6EEkZtWj9qp67IuPithyHFTlT0m3g8tEqUC3p00l5zPxARAGylOvqYTBcUOPWDTx3Nl0= Received: by 10.141.177.2 with SMTP id e2mr486087rvp.1193944130630; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1707465nzn.2007.11.01.12.08.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <017f01c81cba$d3368700$bb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <870801590710311346p5f64542cx1ae803117d06ef81@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] on old subject - Elizabethan Corsets Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:10:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5762f346-088e-4d18-823c-5013116f6dfa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472A246F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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What date are you going for, in each project? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 16:05:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1K5gDD032381 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:05:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1K5U4n026545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:05:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1K4NVv072946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1K4DER052506; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1FuwES011845 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071101155652.QABF14441.fep30.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:56:52 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.20.239]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071101155652.XIZM21904.fep43.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:56:52 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c81c9f$cf899fe0$ef14a150@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:56:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.239] at Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:56:52 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] catch on camera X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42c4059d-9095-49c9-adf7-ccafbc2c6d00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 472A318A.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A warning, this is very off topic, and i hope noone will be offended of = me posting this. But i think it is quite interresting, surprising and something of a = sensation, very little costume related. Yesterday evening the danish television showed a program from the danish = Armory Museum in the heart of Old Copenhagen. Its a 17th century = building. Some ghosthunters was allowed to put cameras in the Museum, to = see if something happens. The Museum Staff often experience and sees = manny manny unexplainable things there. This is a link to the program, if your connection is good, you can = easily see it.=20 If you scroll forward the program to a little more than halfway, the = Museum piece starts. You can click the right corner bottom button to get a full screen. They really catched a moving figure at the end of a long corridor at the = attic, it seems to go out of the wall, go down the hallway, disapear and = then come back again and go into the wall again. The show takes the clip = several times later in the show, also some strange lights appears, and a = photo of a museum sign, wich blurs in a strange way. Here is the link: http://www.tinyurl.dk/2063 And please forgive this, but i just had to tell someone, i think it is = wonderfull they finally got some evidense......... Bjarne who wants to believe in this. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 16:09:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1K9HX0032437 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:09:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1K96Me012478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:09:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1K8hom073811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1K8dVT058686; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:08:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1JOQBh000497 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so1224050pyi for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Gi8DcAsH7oBOTaa85iC6MT79nI9fN5jCa5ihD+6nH5I=; b=KOd9ovjCY/HNpY+X0K7FT/18exXtLjAwmK0fxiohbq9B06kqyfYTVPHGdc5RswCP8i0et6Xgb+ZIsxvuW4A+XrPyDeW2oh1YpMagn3P3pszvpO2hMhQfbUK0HmFp7g6Y9yWCpm3KH0prklcws6Yfz1KlMuQnG3+6O/Jh2KRSf1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ASLhcnDzWKNsgbkh9BEm3CfI35VYomlrv0vxdixSdwWGrwfBjiADQXkAGdmyFWd7O9P7UYBT7pGeTYOoYNoTfSNrIEcgIhPLcYQKFl7buDTtpzauELZZwbTSfYaODXslWcng/DEVoR2L+p53I8tfV/wtaOWwrfP8FM4OTnNElQk= Received: by 10.35.87.10 with SMTP id p10mr1056847pyl.1193945065223; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.101.10 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590711011224y3afb3d5fn8ba37aeb34270687@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:24:25 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] on old subject - Elizabethan Corsets In-Reply-To: <017f01c81cba$d3368700$bb00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <870801590710311346p5f64542cx1ae803117d06ef81@mail.gmail.com> <017f01c81cba$d3368700$bb00a8c0@compaqub> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 7045bcf9-f5ae-49f3-9f98-8d70234caf84 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472A3262.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The date is roughly 1575. The ultimate project is a gown similar to Elizabeth I's in the Pelican Portrait. I am going from the skin out, embroidered smock, bodies/corset, petticoats, farthingale, etc before I get to the gown itself. I was intrigued with the idea that the earlier corsets weren't "white" or necessarily an undergarment. alex On Nov 1, 2007 2:10 PM, Exstock wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandria Doyle" > > I just made a pair of bodices that was boned, yet intended to wear as > > the outer garment on more casual occasions, under a more formal gown > > when "dressing up". I am trying to gather all the documentation that > > I can on the subject to support / explain my choices for this and a > > bigger project... > > What date are you going for, in each project? > > -E House > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 17:31:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1LVXGM002001 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:31:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1LVHr5032187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:31:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1LU3CQ090444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1LTt1l069781; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA1LTpwl069590 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: (qmail 2730 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2007 21:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.105?) (mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@71.137.193.134 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2007 21:29:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2bCSLboVM1mFCYSbOljmbcVrOQmXcuX0LYajMztK099JwmkqNdpDIFv_7l5ZAhKMe_kq2YgU8Q-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <205357.21145.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <205357.21145.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have I reached Heaven? :) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:29:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef4fedea-0156-452a-97f1-abe299476518 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 472A45A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Tess wrote: > New to the list here and feel like I've found heaven! Welcome to the list, Tess! I remember that feeling... I found H- costume when I was a broke mother of two small children with no other means of interacting with adults who shared my passion. It's been my community for a dozen years now, and has brought me a trove of information and some good friends. When I was considering starting my business, I came here for help and advice, and found it. I truly think my life would have been very different, and not nearly as rewarding, without this list. Margo Anderson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 17:37:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1LbnMo002235 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:37:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1LbI3k025593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:37:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1Lakn5091969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1LajBU079338; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1Laf3U079257 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6AB5A7700A6; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:35:39 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <870801590710311346p5f64542cx1ae803117d06ef81@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] on old subject - Elizabethan Corsets Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:36:59 -0700 Message-ID: <00a101c81ccf$556e7750$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgcedy8caa0ZqvWTcGmVOOe0BA01QAVFXdg In-reply-to: <870801590710311346p5f64542cx1ae803117d06ef81@mail.gmail.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-IMAIL-SPAM-STATISTICS: (46ab5a7700a6a4ad, 1.0000) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9564e40d-d86e-4296-a4c2-2176224df047 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 472A470E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Looking in my old (1940's) dictionary, it says "stay" was both an Anglo-Saxon word for the ropes used to hold up a mast and Old French for prop or support. Maybe the use of cording to prop the bust got the two words mixed up to mean the same thing. Also, this book says "corset" is from Old French "cors" for body and that in the Middle Ages it was a close fitting outer garment. Perhaps the English word "bodies" was just a literal translation from the French "cors" or "corset", seeing as how sometimes the English abhorred anything French. :-) If anyone has the original quote, in the original language, it would be interesting to see what the writer actually wrote. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:47 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] on old subject - Elizabethan Corsets In going through an old account I found the following email and was wondering if those involved have more information? I just made a pair of bodices that was boned, yet intended to wear as the outer garment on more casual occasions, under a more formal gown when "dressing up". I am trying to gather all the documentation that I can on the subject to support / explain my choices for this and a bigger project... thanks alex E House wrote: From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-Elizabethan Tudor Corset a Myth! (was PrincessElizabeth) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:53:36 -0600 CC: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > While I agree with you, I would love to know the specific > documentation you have on this. I am working on an upcoming show and > tell lecture for my faire community where I deal with various > Ren-faire costuming myths being busted by showing the historical > images, if any, or other historical documentation that is available. > While this was something I guessed at, it isn't something I've been > able to show a "proof" of either way. I would love to be able to do so. Well, this is going to be the short version! I have a room full of new cloth and I want to go sew now! =} It is largely deductive; it can't help but be, in the absence of some document from 1550 saying "I wish mightily that they woulde make alle good speed to invent the bloddy corset already, els I will surely bust myne seames." However, the best proof lies in its conspicuous absense in places where it certainly should be present if worn. For example, here's a quote from 1532-5 by Francois Rabelais: "Next to the smock they put on the pretty kirtle or vasquin of pure silk chamelot; above that went the taffatie or tabi vardingale, of white, red tanne, gray or any other colour; above this taffatie petticoat they had another of cloth of tissue or brocade, embroidered with fine gold, and interlaced with needlework or as they thought good." Now if they wore corsets, it would surely be listed here, yes? You find the same conspicuous absence in inventories of the day. Instead, the inventories and other accounts of the day DO list what they used instead. In the quote above, it is the "pretty kirtle or vasquin" [the vasquine being a garment with a stiffened bodice and a skirt]. In an inventory of the era, it is: "3 ells white Parchet (fustian) under the bodice at 27 pfund for stiffening." For Katherine of Aragon in her last years, it was "Item, three breeste clothis of Hollande cloth with tapis of the same." Also helpful are descriptions by foreigners of the odd things they found while traveling. Here's a quote from a travelogue by a Spanish courtier who accompanied Prince Phillip to England in 1554; I'm including more that necessary here, because it's funny, and also useful to anyone dealing with this period: "The Queen, however, is not at all beautiful; small, and rather flabby than fat, she is of white complexion and fair, and has no eyebrows. She is a perfect saint, and dresses badly. All the women here wear petticoats of coloured cloth without admixture of silk, and above come coloured robes of damask, satin or velvet, very badly cut. Their shoes are sometimes of velvet, but more often of leather, and they wear black stockings and show their legs up to the knee when walking. As their skirts are not long they are passably immodest when walking, and even when seated. They are neither beautiful nor graceful when dancing, and their dances only consist in strutting or trotting about. Not a single Spanish gentleman has fallen in love with one of them nor takes any interest in them, and their feelings for us are the same." Here we get more speculative and deductive; the Spanish almost certainly originated the vasquine (described above) and therefore are used to seeing firm figures. In fact, the supported body is called a "spagnolized body" in 1588. As one can easily fit over a firm underpinning such as the vasquine (or a corset), clothing fit without the benefit of these firm underpinnings will indeed look badly cut to a Spanish eye, and a Mary will indeed look flabby without support. The travelogue is also useful in tracking who's got it and who doesn't, when it does arrive. For example, a Venetian ambassador visiting France described the following in 1577: "French women have inconcievably narrow waists ...[stuff about farthingales]. Over the chemise they wear a corset or bodice, that they call a "corps pique" which makes their shape more delicate and more slender. It is fastened behind which helps show off the form of the bust." This tells us that while the French had the corset in 1577, the Venetians most likely did not. [Note: the word 'corset' here doesn't mean much, for two reasons. First, this is a translation, and I don't know what word was actually used in the original. Second, 'corset' didn't mean 'corset' in the modern sense until around the early 19th century. More on that below.] Finally, there's the matter of the amount of notice that corsets attracted when they began to be known. They're commented on, they're preached against, they're made fun of in verse, and generally start a noticeable buzz. Earlier, all sorts of fashion innovations are ridiculed; if corsets existed in the same places earlier, surely they would be ridiculed there as well! Here's an example: "These privie coates, by art made strong with bones, with past, with such like ware Whereby their backe and sides grow long, and now they harnest gallants are; Were they for use against the foe, Our dames for amazones might goe." (Stephen Gosson, 1596) >From here, I'll let you look into it, but here's a few tips. First, if >you don't already have them, get or check out: "Corsets and Crinolines" by Norah Waugh "The Corset: A Cultural History" by Valerie Steele Neither is absolutely infallible, but both will be very helpful. Second, watch out for the terminology in inventories, letters, etc. Like I noted above, a corset is not a corset. A corse isn't one either, for that matter. Words and phrases to watch for are: pair of bodies petticoat bodies corps a pique' French bodice/bodies privy coat whalebone bodice/bodies Third, here is the approximate corset timeline I've worked out. It's rough and I'm doing it by memory rather than looking at my notes, so disclaimer, etc. c1500-20: popularization of the busk [Italian] c1520: vasquine [Spanish] c1520-1570: vasquine spreads across Europe; bodices in general are stiffened, but do not become a separate garment c1570-77: separate stiffened bodice [French] c1580-1590: 'French bodice' infiltrates England Hope this helps. You can distribute it/use it for teaching, but please keep my name attached! Elena House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 17:40:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1LewLF002316 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:40:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA1Lekdq005181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:40:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA1LeQGc092599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1LeM0T083859; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA1LeHog083767 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7803A3A00A4; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:39:12 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20071101043549.69DCECF8044@xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us> Subject: RE: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:40:32 -0700 Message-ID: <00a201c81ccf$d490da50$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgb6KQg319FqMoiTR6zadYy/khvLgAC4dZgAAuSLsAAB3bN8AAjzhQA In-reply-to: <20071101043549.69DCECF8044@xen2.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b454dbde-e54c-4ef4-a24f-29f898d05a3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 472A47DE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wow, those look so real. I have a tree in my yard and the blossoms/buds look just like that. So much better than today's silk flowers. To me, the buds look like cotton swabs. Maybe they're made the same way. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Beth Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:36 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: FW: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms I guess including the link would have been helpful. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=452nioh3.7h56f6ev&x=0&y=-l0cwzu Beth -----Original Message----- From: Beth Chamberlain [mailto:bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:09 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] "wax" orange blossoms I have the remains of either a great or gr-gr grandmother's headpiece. It is a mix of cloth flowers coated in wax and "buds" which appear almost entirely wax though they are too light so the core must be something else. The leaves are green fabric very lightly coated. Unfortunately it's been disjointed so I have no idea how it was originally arranged. And, it was stored in an attic and the wax softened enough that parts are quite well stuck together. Beth Chamberlain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 1 20:50:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA20ouv7007453 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:50:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA20oiBG003046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:50:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA20mcuL015707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA20mZHZ080262; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA20mXtj080187 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so1365429pyi for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:48:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=mTLcedMp5xcmMEgBxltp+Z7QxDA3lLjENiKz5ZPlw1g=; b=RJ5wckaymeac+//KeyVXyBAJESxrxxiaskl7UB9Ubk8CFb+KXxKp+ZabDRDseHOrLQWdEJ4bmwrBnZ8HTLXjUsf2Iax1EgVXMKUXwXhTj+KoL0xGJS7RzL+YU340DSSlivUa3XGbG5KkvML1YKrhztxlRackcImiNVRP9nY875I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ss4LTyJHSw8qGnRbf6VL9H2kh7l4ZJHazPE95GprwXKqs5ASgIfoahI9HRQZ2uEa++sGbs8bb9RNEawzECBI9ZWIr17D9anrG+eU5lx0lInqyskzGJ0ZyMi9zSe1luZrnhHZESWIBrCh/ndRUy68GS44fvh0yWqvoYB+B6RgujE= Received: by 10.64.53.20 with SMTP id b20mr573533qba.1193964507008; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [70.81.32.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e14sm1449202qbe.2007.11.01.17.48.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009501c81cea$1a09e440$6d01a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <568675.45835.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20071101112501.z8hyv3eb4ows0kwg@wm-imp-1.unl.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:48:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccb1487a-49fb-4649-937e-9f17dd4556b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 472A7464.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> One year I wore my prettiest mostly courtly/romantic >> looking garb to work on Halloween and everyone thought >> I was a nun. > > I feel your pain. I wore a regency dress as "Emma" one year. I was > asked if I was Amish. Yeah... I went to the medieval fair in Bayeux one year and I was wearing RED tunics. I was greeted with "Bonjour ma soeur"! And then there's the time I was invited to a medieval wedding... the groom was wearing a tricorn hat :-/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 2 10:08:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2E8vbw015113 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:08:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA2E8jiX012456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:08:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2E81sK032337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2E7vnX010091; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2E7rVP009881 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071102140747.GTKJ18899.fep33.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:07:47 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.88]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071102140747.RGQQ11710.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:07:47 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c81d59$bbde1dd0$58e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:07:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.88] at Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:07:46 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] history of nordic costume in 16th century. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa7b4b08-7244-4eaf-a981-91395cfa7502 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 472B2F6D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Although it is in danish, lots of the sites has illustrations. The danish book "Dagligtliv i Norden i det 16. =E5rhundrede" by Troels = Lund, has ben published to the internet. It is several thick books. The book about costume is here: http://runeberg.org/dagligt/4/ Manny manny interresting illustrations. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 2 10:36:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2EaAvP015613 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:36:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA2EZwid021071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:36:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2EZKld040998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2EZJRx051980; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2EZFVx051787 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:35:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.104]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071102143510.VEJR29331.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:35:10 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.104]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071102143508.IBYQ8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:35:08 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:34:17 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20071102143508.IBYQ8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Conference publication: Textiles and Text X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e7015fc-706b-42f0-99b5-3443312d3f63 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 472B35CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Below is a conference proceedings that has=20 several papers that look quite interesting. Wish=20 that the price was a bit better though. Currently=20 only available from the publisher and Amazon-UK... Beth Textiles and Text (Maria Hayward and Chris Bennett eds.) October 2007 The 3rd conference volume from the AHRC Tesearch=20 Centre for Textile Conservation and Textile=20 Studies, Textile Conservation Centre, University=20 of Southampton ISBN: 9781904982265 =A347.50 (=20 $95.00) Paperback 268 Pages 140 colour, 173 half-tones Illustrations http://www.archetype.co.uk from the conference= http://www.annatextiles.ch/sympindex/06_tex/texrandtex.htm Textiles and Text Edited by Maria Hayward and Elizabeth Kramer This publication focuses on the interrelationship=20 between archival and bibliographic research and=20 the study of extant objects. Papers consider how=20 archival and bibliographic research can inform=20 our knowledge of textiles and dress, in terms of=20 their production, consumption, dissemination and=20 deterioration and in turn, how the study of=20 extant objects can give added depth to this=20 analysis. The authors include conservators,=20 curators, historians and conservation scientists. These postprints are the third in a series of=20 three volumes of papers emanating from the=20 conferences of the AHRC Research Centre for=20 Textile Conservation and Textile Studies, Textile=20 Conservation Centre, University of the=20 Southampton, and published by Archetype=20 Publications. The themes for the preceding volumes are: =95 Scientific Analysis of Ancient and Historic=20 Textiles: Informing Preservation, Display and=20 Interpretation (published by Archetype 2005) =95The Future of the 20th Century: Collecting,=20 Interpreting and Conserving Modern Materials (published by Archetype 2006) CONTENTS Foreword Maria Hayward Introduction Elizabeth Kramer Into the archive Researching the domestic interior: the example of=20 the =91Chintz Lady=92, Elsie de Wolfe Penny Sparke =91I have bought cloth for you and will deliver it=20 myself=92: using documentary sources in the=20 analysis of the archaeological textile finds from=20 Quseir al-Qadim, Egypt Fiona J.L. Handley What Essex man wore: an investigation into=20 Elizabethan dress recorded in wills 1558 to 1603=20 Ninya Mikhaila and Jane Malcolm-Davies Abundant images and scant text: reading textile pattern books Philip A.= Sykas Recovering identity: the role of textual evidence=20 in identifying forgotten azlon fibres from the mid-20th century Mary Brooks Adopting other strategies, using other sources =91Wherein Taylors may finde out new fashions=92:=20 constructing the Costume Research Image Library (CRIL) Jane Malcolm-Davies Unlocking one facet of Henry VIII=92s wardrobe: an=20 investigation of the base Maria Hayward A portrait, two dresses, two samplers and a burning steamship Edward F.= Maederv (Ad)Dressing the century: fashionability and floral frocks Jo Turney Sound recording and text creation: oral history=20 and the Deliberately Concealed Garments Project Dinah Eastop Uncovering institutions Late medieval Ladies of the Garter, 1348=961509:=20 fact or fiction? Shelagh Mitchell Lace and documents: the Istituzioni di Ricovero e=20 Educazione (IRE) collections in Venice Isabella Campagnol Fabretti Undated, unattributable and unfinished: forgotten=20 samplers and their re-evaluation through archival=20 research Joyce A. Taylor Dawson Tracing textiles in trade: from account books to patents Fashioning the Tudor court Cinzia Maria Sicca Costume at the court of Cosimo and Eleonora de=20 Medici: on fashion and Florentine textile production Bruna Niccoli Bought, stolen, bequeathed, preserved: sources=20 for the study of 18th-century petticoats Clare Rose Analysing patents and objects: a preliminary=20 investigation into the crinolines of W.S. Thomson Katy May Patents as a source of information about=20 synthetic textile dyes Rosemary M. Baker The interaction between East and West A paradise of pretty girls: the kimono and=20 perceptions of Japan Elizabeth Kramer Dragon robes and prairie ladies: the incongruity=20 between archives and artefacts Julia Petrov Chasing the dragon: researching Chinese textiles=20 in early 20th-century domestic interiors Sarah Cheang Domesticity and gender explored and challenged =91A Linnen Pockett a prayer Book and five keys=92:=20 approaches to a history of women=92s tie-on pockets Barbara Burman The antimacassar in fact and fiction: how textual=20 resources reveal a domestic textile Alice McEwan =91Inoffensively feminine=92: First World War=20 military concert parties, female impersonators and their costumes Sarah= Norris Inspiring textile collections: textiles and text=20 combined in Winchester School of Art Library and=20 in the Special Collections, Hartley Library,=20 University of Southampton Libraries Linda Newington Collaborative approaches: curators, conservators and dress historians Thistles and Thrissels: Scottish Covenanting=20 flags of the 17th and early 18th century George Dalgleish and Lynn McClean Dye analysis, textiles and text: unravelling the=20 puzzle of Queen Charlotte=92s state bed Maria Jordan and Mika Takami Joining forces: the intersection of two replica=20 garments Hilary Davidson and Anna Hodson Information uncovered by conservation Understanding the full story: acknowledging=20 intimate interactions of textiles and text as=20 both help and hindrance for preservation Cordelia Rogerson The interaction of textile and text: the=20 conservation of a mid-16th-century chemise binding Maria Hayward The investigation and documentation of a=20 communion table carpet in Corpus Christi College, Oxford Florence Maskell Who put the text in textiles? Deciphering text=20 hidden within a 1718 coverlet: documentation of=20 papers hidden within an early 18th-century=20 coverlet using transmitted light photography=20 Karen N. Thompson and Michael Halliwell Jewish ceremonial textiles and the Torah:=20 exploring conservation practices in relation to=20 ritual textiles associated with holy texts Bernice Morris and Mary M. Brooks A flag=92s life in New York: The New York State=20 Battle Flag Preservation Project Sarah C. Stevens Objects without documentation: the role of=20 conservation science in revealing more about these artefacts Collecting a near infrared spectral database of=20 modern textiles for use of on-site=20 characterisation Emma Richardson, Graham Martin and Paul Wyeth Photodegradation of Phormium tenax fibres: the=20 role of naturally occurring coumarins Gerald J.=20 Smith, Raukura Chadwick, Ngaire Konese, Sue=20 Scheele, Stephen E. Tauwhare and Roderick J. Weston _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 2 10:57:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2Evpve016075 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:57:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA2Evd8H006010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:57:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2Ev043044824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2EuvCK082046; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2EuqYv081808 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071102145647.IYXW6518.fep30.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:56:47 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.88]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071102145504.ZCOP13366.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:55:04 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c81d60$934d9420$58e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:56:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.88] at Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:55:01 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wheelfarthingale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aaaa4dca-fa13-455e-988a-01c89e469ac9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 472B3AE3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Browsing the book i mentioned earlyer today, finally found the = illustration with the wheel farthingale lying on the floor. But i am very disapointed, the illustration is dutch and from 1636. I had seen this illustration in another book by Broby Johansen and he = didnt mention the source for the illustration, and not the year either. So i am dissapointed.=20 Still believe that wheel farthingales exsisted. Here is the picture from Dagligtliv I Norden i det 16. =E5rhundrede. Even that this is a french farthingale, i still believe its made from = iron rings.=20 http://runeberg.org/dagligt/9/0020.html Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 2 14:12:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2ICHhA020678 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:12:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA2IC5Ck027500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:12:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2IBMLc078619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2IBDvl053667; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA2IAwjk053245 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46042 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 18:10:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l3dxoKA4sav2BDfGmVr+jHQ1XVLYy/Cf/OQ5zNaXPTrvFJTuyCtoNQEUfD3xxfqJeCphTVChnxrp7bCslCINL6Xhzqc8jeyV/RoJjnXws0QkzHY9SEvcHR9LaoAcTxtYGNOHOIB3Uk0utFfITKYsNsLRofxHsgJCjbW7V1hO/FI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > I know I'm not the only one... > > I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval > clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For > one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be > something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work > have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, > also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? > > So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my > way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice > too! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > I know exactly what you mean. I have used my historical costumes as a base - for example once I added some accessories to my hangarok and went to a "cartoons" party as Honi from Hagar the Horrible (I made a tinfoil helmet for my rubber duck and she came as Kvack) - but on their own, they just feel like clothes. JEan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 2 18:19:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2MJbUf025740 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:19:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA2MJOLj021183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:19:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2MInCw021268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2MIccP072036; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA2MIawd071936 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so2155089nze for ; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:18:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=z1r1tfF37I7d0oAmQJmCBMgvUxZwlxWKU3oSRe2eVQ0=; b=IxXCqOe5lGk1rh+fqIYCetk7EcWxGhoH8BJcfLixWBgQ2NLyD70h5LGm0yk4Z9HsteroQgyAC7KmvzVbdq8J/mI0gRm3hC00o1w4JkKslylCc8C3t7RERGmnuWsJhXzKW+e5JB2/iWjgir7ZHGCVj50aEnfkuXTsYqQys1sNF7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Zcti54w2yV4hJTzHIpUi8n3zv6xnDCymDFGPzZ4cEqpfR4/W+fKKmM36LmESVdRAVY3Q/epzigsn8TSvEc2HfVlydNMvCo2j3zSKGrOxqhpoqoc6m5SHcD4wZzMw4zgvuoYtptMPgRr9bbsU0e1k7AV3T7yPnSww0jB/2eUn1zk= Received: by 10.142.47.6 with SMTP id u6mr707663wfu.1194041912057; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:18:31 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad2339a0-c11f-4e0f-99fe-7e3b646e6ac9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 472BA26D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO cathy@thyrsus.com said> >I have so much costume-related material-- Yeah, it's like that here, too. I found an unfinished STTNG med corps uniform languishing in a box. All it took was zipper installation, shoulder pad removal (& re-build), rank pips, hems at wrists & a bit of elastic for under the dance shoes... what?! dance shoes? Yeah, I went to friday night waltz (www.fridaynightwaltz.com) did the time warp, the scots reel, the polka & the hustle. Awesome. Star Trek uniforms are great for dancing. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 3 09:12:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA3DCU9o003334 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:12:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA3DCI2H017679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:12:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA3DBcNu012546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 07:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA3DBYR1076251; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 07:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA3DBVcB076117 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 07:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.8.4] Received: from [75.46.8.4] (adsl-75-46-8-4.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.8.4]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA3DBOrw011000 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 06:11:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000a01c81d59$bbde1dd0$58e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> References: <000a01c81d59$bbde1dd0$58e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <234F9958-26DB-4A82-A1B9-A587FE189213@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] history of nordic costume in 16th century. Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:11:40 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f273fc6-51f0-41a4-9bbd-f1d977918e55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 472C73B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, Bjarne! That's nifty. Melanie On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: > Hi, > Although it is in danish, lots of the sites has illustrations. > The danish book "Dagligtliv i Norden i det 16. =E5rhundrede" by =20 > Troels Lund, has ben published to the internet. It is several thick =20= > books. > The book about costume is here: > http://runeberg.org/dagligt/4/ > Manny manny interresting illustrations. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 3 19:57:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA3NvU8J019165 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:57:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA3NvI8J006865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:57:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA3NuY2C007810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA3NuTv2067134; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:56:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA3NuPsx067082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:56:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA3NuO9e019274 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:56:24 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f87ce2df-14ef-405e-92fb-753980c5ee56 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472D0ADE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I put this on the Renaissance Tailor site, but it might be of use to someone here as well: Subject: RE: [TheRenTailor] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" I got mine early because I used bribery and corruption. The publication party for the book was to have been 1 October in England. Which is why the books are only shipping in time for Christmas. It is available in the US for $98 for the slipcased Paperback edition (as large as the clothbound version in that it is larger than 8 x 10") from http://www.oxbowbooks.com/results.cfm/q/Dress%20in%20the%20Court%20of%20Henr y%20VIII/qt/All/ST/QS/StartRow/1 (David Brown Book company the US distributor Look for Oxbow books and click on the $) Another nifty is Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society (also a Manley publishing item). It is a Quarterly Journal of the Costume Society www.costumesociety.org.uk . You can subscribe, or buy individual articles. I got involved because one of the articles in Costume Volume 41 (the present one) had the Janet Arnold work on the Effigy Corset. I'm not a penny pinching young student, but an employed and old student working on my MA as an Independent Scholar with my local university. This is why I paid the Student rate when I subscribed. The individual article is for sale on-line for $25. The writers frequently have access to items that I didn't even know about. The color chart is something I've been needing for years (and is pronounced by one of my professor friends as a very good rendition.) If you can't afford it, you can't. That means you know what to ask your Liberian for. Old issues are available as are individual articles. As you can see from the Table of Contents below, the Journal ranges over a wide range of periods and places. Wanda Included in No. 41 are: The pair of straight bodies' and a pair of drawers' dating from 1603 which Clothe the Effigy of Queen Elizabeth I in Westminster Abbey by Janet Arnold 'To Cap it All': The Waterford Cap of Maintenance (Henry VIII timeframe) by Cliodna Devit 'Rainbow for a Reign: The Colours of a Queen's Wardrobe (Queen Elizabeth, with a color chart to give you an idea of what the name actually means - such as 'maiden's blush' etc. "The Merchant Taylors' Company of London under Elizabeth I: Tailors' Guild or Company of Merchants": By Nigel Sleigh-Johnson "A Fashionable Confinement: Whaleboned Stays and the Pregnant Woman" by Harriet Waterhouse (not Elizabethan) 'Over what crinoline should these charming jupons be worn?' Thompson's Survival Strategy During the Decline of the Crinoline by Lucy-Clare Windle "The Dress Must be White and Perfectly Plain and Simple: Confirmation and First Confirmation Dress, 1850-2000 by Anthea Jarvis The Wearing of the Red: The Redcoat and the British Brand" by Nigel Arch "A clinging Liberty tea-gown instead of a magenta satin': The Colour Red in Artistic Dress by Liberty & Co.' by Anna Buruma "Modern Fashions for Modern Women: The Evolution of New York Sportswear in the 1930s" by Rebecca Arnold "Chained Melody or Putting Paco Rabanne in his Place" by Rosemary Harden (my personal opinion is that his place is probably face down with a steak through his heart - Wanda) New Books and Articles by James Snowden and Naomi E.A. Tarrant Selective List Book Reviews Exhibitions Study Day > -----Original Message----- > From: TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rikke D. Giles > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:23 PM > To: TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [TheRenTailor] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" > > > On 11/03/2007 12:47:05 PM, Wanda Pease wrote: > > Got mine two weeks ago. The American Distributor is David Brown > > Books and the cost for the Paper back (comes in a Sleeve) is $96. T > > Bleh, I ordered mine last July and still haven't gotten it! Lucky > you :) I think I will have to contact David Brown. > > Aelianora > > > This egroup is based on the website http://www.vertetsable.com - > more commonly known as The Renaissance Tailor; Recreating 16th > and 17th Century Clothing. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheRenaissanceTailor/join > (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 4 00:55:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA44tZLv026360 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 00:55:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA44tMLU016011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Nov 2007 00:55:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA44sJsM061163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA44sFs9014578; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA44sC4o014435 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=Pkvm95JO1Is04Vpfda6wCvRONxhpGG4rG/nbA8m8v3EqnuqtZX2pDrRR7rEkP2t5; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IoXUs-0001nP-KR for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:54:06 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20071103234839.03fdc0e0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:53:58 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200711010109.lA119cPQ091450@net.indra.com> References: <200711010109.lA119cPQ091450@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53cd9d7aa2e6231870444bf3939368548f7fabde69bdacc01a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Halloween and the perception of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2652a89-7128-4719-ac34-755bfc14d9c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 472D50BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Me too - we do mostly Fantasy / Science Fiction costumes, and we have several racks of them in the attic, etc. However, probably 98% of them require knowledge of the source, or at least an appreciation of SF, to "get" what they are. So what do I wear to work for Halloween? A 20-year old pirate coat, with suitable shirt and breeches. People at least "get" pirates..... There were only about 20 who dressed up, most were "closet scrounging" costumes. My fave though was a co-worker, who's a bit of a Goth anyway, who did a pretty good version of Abby from N.C.I.S. (the TV show). Sandy At 08:09 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:15:10 -0400 >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >Subject: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume > >I know I'm not the only one... > >I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval >clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For >one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be >something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work >have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, >also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? > >So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my >way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice >too! "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 04:13:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA59DKTJ019463 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:13:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA59D7K2012708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA59CPD1011647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA59BmUC022670; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:11:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA59Bian022631 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:11:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.54385406; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:11:25 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id lA59BNl08823.; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:11:24 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:11:23 +0000 Message-Id: <472EDE2A02000014000DD430@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.2 HP Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:11:06 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Halloween and the perception of costume References: <200711021457.lA2Ev3sv082212@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200711021457.lA2Ev3sv082212@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfa9155b-dea4-4d65-883e-2f700161c8a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 472EDEA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:13:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote : >And then there's the time I was invited to a medieval wedding... the = groom=20 >was wearing a tricorn hat :-/=20 Yes, a lot of people seem to use "medieval" as a general term for "long = ago". When I do 17th century the public often refer to us as medieval. Here in Britain adults don't dress up for Hallowe'en, but we did once wear = costumes to work for one of those charity fundraising days. I wore 17th = century clothing, and I too felt a bit as though I were cheating. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 07:12:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5CCHmv015030 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:12:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5CBx50016584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:12:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5CBNqF056587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:11:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5CBKrO091067; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5CBHqj090963 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=e7512d6Hu9fQGHvCknGC493kolvVuRCuSY8YuubYcUMntiewgcOWi2eGTu1ix8j3; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.37] (helo=[4.245.146.37]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ip0nP-0001oc-FZ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:11:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <472EDE2A02000014000DD430@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> References: <200711021457.lA2Ev3sv082212@net.indra.com> <472EDE2A02000014000DD430@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2886C5DC-2B9B-4090-85E5-41939C3238CA@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost]Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:13:33 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4a1bbf04c987b11455a3afe69244b3e38350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.37 X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a916a0dd-5347-457c-be38-f976f99913c3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472F088F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:12:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Some years ago I was invited to play hostess at a "Shakespeare dinner," a fund-raiser for a nearby not-very-good-but-very- pretentious Shakespeare theater--they wanted me to be one of Henry VIII's wives, as if that much to do with Shakespeare and certainly as if anybody ALIVE would want to play one of them gals. An early-music group I costumed was performing, and I knew what they were wearing-- handsome costumes (if I say so as shouldn't) intended to suggest a range of the couple of centuries their music is drawn from. I asked what the other performers would be wearing and learned that I was the ONLY "character"--everyone else who would be working at the event would be wearing "Shakespearean" outfits they were putting together themselves from costume shops, prom dresses, tights, and basic Simplicity tunics. So I figured historical accuracy was not going to be much of an issue, and since I had very little time to get ready... And since they were paying me $50 and I had no spare change of my own to make a real investment... I myself have NO really good costumes--I costume community theater, mainly, and I'm usually the director in those situations. So I too got a Simplicity pattern that I thought would say "Shakespeare," bought some great fabric from the Clearance table at a local upholstery store, and presented myself not as one of Henry's dead dears but as the Duchess of Yore. It went over very well, although most people didn't get the joke (maybe they thought I'd said "York"). Anyway, that's the past to most: "yore." A mixed bag of pretty things, odd things, big sleeves, and flat shoes. These Hallowe'en stories have been very entertaining, but not very surprising, since where the general public is saying "Yore," all these specialists are saying "1482" or "1624"! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:11 AM, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote : > >> And then there's the time I was invited to a medieval wedding... >> the groom >> was wearing a tricorn hat :-/ > > Yes, a lot of people seem to use "medieval" as a general term for > "long ago". When I do 17th century the public often refer to us as > medieval. > > Here in Britain adults don't dress up for Hallowe'en, but we did > once wear costumes to work for one of those charity fundraising > days. I wore 17th century clothing, and I too felt a bit as though > I were cheating. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian & 17th century reenactor. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 07:44:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5Cim3e015984 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:44:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5CiZvM001423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:44:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5Ci2k5066959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:44:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5Ci0sC026328; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:44:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5ChvYA026108 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:43:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=gfJJ4tcnwg3v8wwKnZbhqGamk8ZCUFlumzcUOdcnuZlNSe26Czcs9Pk+nZjIbSey; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.245.146.37] (helo=[4.245.146.37]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ip1J1-0005SE-6o for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:43:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <2886C5DC-2B9B-4090-85E5-41939C3238CA@mindspring.com> References: <200711021457.lA2Ev3sv082212@net.indra.com> <472EDE2A02000014000DD430@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> <2886C5DC-2B9B-4090-85E5-41939C3238CA@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B0235B5-6C6D-47BC-97F7-7B34F4459322@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost]Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:46:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a41496428e2faecdaa33ca3aafdabbe500a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.245.146.37 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1666d187-ca67-4014-b416-df366db31116 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 472F1033.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:44:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Just reread my posting. Of course one wants to play Henry's wives-- they wore wonderful clothing--I just thought it was a ghoulish notion to have somebody playing one of the gals at a SHAKESPEARE evening.... --Ruth Anne On Nov 5, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > Some years ago I was invited to play hostess at a "Shakespeare > dinner," a fund-raiser for a nearby not-very-good-but-very- > pretentious Shakespeare theater--they wanted me to be one of Henry > VIII's wives, as if that much to do with Shakespeare and certainly > as if anybody ALIVE would want to play one of them gals. An early- > music group I costumed was performing, and I knew what they were > wearing--handsome costumes (if I say so as shouldn't) intended to > suggest a range of the couple of centuries their music is drawn > from. I asked what the other performers would be wearing and > learned that I was the ONLY "character"--everyone else who would be > working at the event would be wearing "Shakespearean" outfits they > were putting together themselves from costume shops, prom dresses, > tights, and basic Simplicity tunics. So I figured historical > accuracy was not going to be much of an issue, and since I had very > little time to get ready... > > And since they were paying me $50 and I had no spare change of my > own to make a real investment... > > I myself have NO really good costumes--I costume community theater, > mainly, and I'm usually the director in those situations. > > So I too got a Simplicity pattern that I thought would say > "Shakespeare," bought some great fabric from the Clearance table at > a local upholstery store, and presented myself not as one of > Henry's dead dears but as the Duchess of Yore. It went over very > well, although most people didn't get the joke (maybe they thought > I'd said "York"). > > Anyway, that's the past to most: "yore." A mixed bag of pretty > things, odd things, big sleeves, and flat shoes. > > These Hallowe'en stories have been very entertaining, but not very > surprising, since where the general public is saying "Yore," all > these specialists are saying "1482" or "1624"! > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:11 AM, Kate M Bunting wrote: > >> Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote : >> >>> And then there's the time I was invited to a medieval wedding... >>> the groom >>> was wearing a tricorn hat :-/ >> >> Yes, a lot of people seem to use "medieval" as a general term for >> "long ago". When I do 17th century the public often refer to us as >> medieval. >> >> Here in Britain adults don't dress up for Hallowe'en, but we did >> once wear costumes to work for one of those charity fundraising >> days. I wore 17th century clothing, and I too felt a bit as though >> I were cheating. >> >> Kate Bunting >> Librarian & 17th century reenactor. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 08:44:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5DigUd017455 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:44:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5DiTSM001304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:44:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5Dho5w079380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5DhkYl088241; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:43:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5AOgcA091881 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 03:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C67C33B03E for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:24:41 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:25:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <472EDE2A02000014000DD430@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a2fcfec-7bf8-4279-bb11-c23334e35a56 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472F1E3D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:44:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I remember a story of a couple who sang at the New York Renaissance festival back in the 70's. They said that it looked like the the people that owned and ran the Fest. considered "renaissance" anything pre Beatles. :) -----Original Message----- Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote : >And then there's the time I was invited to a medieval wedding... the groom >was wearing a tricorn hat :-/ Yes, a lot of people seem to use "medieval" as a general term for "long ago". When I do 17th century the public often refer to us as medieval. Here in Britain adults don't dress up for Hallowe'en, but we did once wear costumes to work for one of those charity fundraising days. I wore 17th century clothing, and I too felt a bit as though I were cheating. Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 09:24:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5EOJi6018608 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:24:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5EO1m8013607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:24:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5ENT9T087963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:23:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5ENQus031624; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:23:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA5ENN8Y031487 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunny_buchler@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 78293 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 14:23:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=N8CVRG5QyhohcbmQZsLoKCRFrxCbjAuQvKEtXd8KQCMiqEjVyp0TaybBFfdJNOT1Xwy/cix3cpo0ChqNnL/BbBZvcHezODfhYTNQKqcx+AERilnZoRaoe5qyBSRRzu5mZzx5zY1ur6xdvtbKXH4ntDdGWh3ILljl575pdB5XToM=; X-YMail-OSG: ZVhB040VM1kvqEi5JHX6a5rP5gCkBheUi69ZPNCjpcKkOmCgVq33MDoF9aTXYZYaFg-- Received: from [162.119.240.100] by web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:23:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134.12 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:23:18 -0800 (PST) From: Sunshine Buchler Subject: RE: [h-cost] was "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" now "The Journal of the Costume Society" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <226147.77380.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 317098fd-3a1f-457d-a917-f73c0e40f77c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472F2781.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:24:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Another nifty is Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society (also a Manl= ey=0A> publishing item). It is a Quarterly Journal of the Costume Society= =0A> www.costumesociety.org.uk . You can subscribe, or buy individual arti= cles.=0A> I got involved because one of the articles in Costume Volume 41 (= the present=0A> one) had the Janet Arnold work on the Effigy Corset. I'm n= ot a penny=0A> pinching young student, but an employed and old student work= ing on my MA as=0A> an Independent Scholar with my local university. This = is why I paid the=0A> Student rate when I subscribed. The individual artic= le is for sale on-line=0A> for $25.=0A=0ADoes anyone know - if I sign up no= w will I get issue #41? or is the on-line per-artical order the only way to= get those articles?=0A=0AThanks!=0A -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 11:26:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5GQBTX021618 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:26:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5GPvHj026299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:26:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5GP2f9012655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5GOu5x090324; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:24:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5GOrOM090128 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:24:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Etiennette@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter65.comcast.net ([204.127.205.165]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2007110516244801400l7vvhe>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:24:48 +0000 Received: from [65.102.114.96] by smailcenter65.comcast.net; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:24:47 +0000 From: Etiennette@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] was "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" now "The Journal of the Costume Society" Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:24:47 +0000 Message-Id: <110520071624.24.472F43CF0000727F000000182207021553039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9B9C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: c3RlcGhhbmllc29sdW1AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cfb2a39f-1de8-40ec-8c64-b14ed41ba783 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 472F4416.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:26:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Greetings, No, if you sign up now you will not get the back issue. You have to contact them and order it separately. I have just received confirmation that the issue has gone back to print. (My order was lost in the mail, so I have to wait for the reprint) They should be ready soon. Contact the person in-charge of memberships and she can direct you to the person who is handling the selling and mailing. Etiennette -------------- Original message -------------- From: Sunshine Buchler > > Another nifty is Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society (also a Manley > > publishing item). It is a Quarterly Journal of the Costume Society > > www.costumesociety.org.uk . You can subscribe, or buy individual articles. > > I got involved because one of the articles in Costume Volume 41 (the present > > one) had the Janet Arnold work on the Effigy Corset. I'm not a penny > > pinching young student, but an employed and old student working on my MA as > > an Independent Scholar with my local university. This is why I paid the > > Student rate when I subscribed. The individual article is for sale on-line > > for $25. > > Does anyone know - if I sign up now will I get issue #41? or is the on-line > per-artical order the only way to get those articles? > > Thanks! > -sunny > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 15:57:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5KvoYo027840 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:57:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5KvbOt024270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:57:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5KuveW063547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:56:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5KujuB072655; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5JMghN048156 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.94]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071105192236.FZPT19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:22:36 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.94]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071105192236.KCMY8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:22:36 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:21:46 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071105192236.KCMY8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 9 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c58a1db4-bac5-4be1-b084-71c12b365583 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 472F83C1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 16:41:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5LfrcZ028885 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:41:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5Lfekg000389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:41:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5La8ih072576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5La3V4025789; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA5LZw0m025541 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 23848 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 21:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:35:48 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:35:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c82058$6e6542c0$cc0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcggWG1rxhHzAD6ZTHm5WdmvAXLqBA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Newcomer (sort of) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63a8879b-7b5b-4e58-b342-9c030f7be26f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472F8E14.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 17:36:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5Ma3SS029881 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:36:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5MZoZd029658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:35:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5MU9gf080481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5MU3Li088631; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:30:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1a.socket.net [216.106.88.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5MTvTi088480 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:29:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 765EA3B4C0 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:29:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Halloween and the perception of costume Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 04:30:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <420061.46252.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b53c2834-143a-4e7a-9a66-e66fb4ec73c9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 472F9AC6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:35:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO They also taked about it on their tape and mentioned the top seller was a man that collected beach waste and created "picturesque" sculptures of rats, bats, and buzzards. :) -----Original Message----- Ah! See, they meant it was "A" renaissance, not "THE" Renaissance. :-) MaggiRos --- otsisto wrote: > I remember a story of a couple who sang at the New > York Renaissance festival > back in the 70's. They said that it looked like the > the people that owned > and ran the Fest. considered "renaissance" anything > pre Beatles. :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 18:08:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5N8ewA030893 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:08:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5N8ReK025771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:08:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5KvWi3063656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA5KvSCh073635; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.252]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA5KvOZl073377 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:57:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48342 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 20:57:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CMbKlgtSRrard+OGoqYpBnynWww74Q+75gTrn0wqbc5S+fLH2y56JGEA+eWE36TWKiufbZE5LM/3z8rVMMgFhkt9fZjo65uyQrlLHQHQIh9821V+2xfEvQdRZp8g2TKynuT4fAxRGwJX31Y8Rm0ZCJR/cHuBQjIWZ0gBh8B07pQ=; X-YMail-OSG: wiNFIOoVM1mgH9PBKSdHd9tkTXx71WckQnPPUnrDGNbyrzRa0FDA4YGPoL0tkvAbfo0MnjAIIMGH_qJ15a9n0p3eBHpcRas4NGFJJlWH33fGChxqnZA- Received: from [208.179.44.208] by web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:57:18 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:57:18 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost]Halloween and the perception of costume To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <420061.46252.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d8b8860-84a0-4545-bc21-c8a8775a8d08 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 472FA26B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:08:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ah! See, they meant it was "A" renaissance, not "THE" Renaissance. :-) MaggiRos --- otsisto wrote: > I remember a story of a couple who sang at the New > York Renaissance festival > back in the 70's. They said that it looked like the > the people that owned > and ran the Fest. considered "renaissance" anything > pre Beatles. :) > > -----Original Message----- > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote : > > >And then there's the time I was invited to a > medieval wedding... the groom > >was wearing a tricorn hat :-/ > > Yes, a lot of people seem to use "medieval" as a > general term for "long > ago". When I do 17th century the public often refer > to us as medieval. > > Here in Britain adults don't dress up for > Hallowe'en, but we did once wear > costumes to work for one of those charity > fundraising days. I wore 17th > century clothing, and I too felt a bit as though I > were cheating. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian & 17th century reenactor. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 21:45:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA62jqw5004040 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:45:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA62jdFk022746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:45:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA62i8fb013895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA62hvWU041312; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA62hsA2041264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA62hrKH031403 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:43:53 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] was "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" now "TheJournal of the Costume Society" Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:48:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <226147.77380.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62027493-c24b-4159-9f0e-ddccf79cc69f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 472FD553.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:45:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I begged for my subscription to start with Volume 41. When I subscribed I specifically asked to start with 41 because I knew it was the one I really wanted. Ms. Hague was very nice and made sure I got the correct one to start with. You will always be surprised what you can get if you just ask. I have a new Supervisor who drives us crazy when we point out that we can't get X supply. He asks if we have asked for it. It's a horrible thing to have to admit that you haven't actually asked, you just assumed and... Then you go slinking off and do ask and get what you want. It would be demoralizing if it wasn't getting me so many goodies I just assumed I couldn't have. This can be true of museum collections and libraries. The National Portrait Gallery and a few of the other big, nose in the air museums can be horrible to work with because they don't choose to work with the public. On the other hand many smaller museums and libraries are delighted when the public whose taxes and donations support them show intelligent interest. It's why I have a copy of an original Vecellio, printed in 1589. It was housed in the Library at Darmstadt, Germany. They had no problems with first of all bringing it out to be seen, and then photographically copying it for about 10 cents a page. The book was the equivalent of a paperback of its time. They would have let us look over their hand done manuscripts too, but not take pictures. This stuff exists in Europe by the ton. In the last few years fire, flood, and insurrection have destroyed huge amounts of the Human heritage. Many old world places are desperate to put their stuff onto the net where it will remain even if the original is blown up by some deluded idiot. Wanda > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 5 22:00:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA630tqn004363 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:00:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA630f2K017524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:00:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA63096m016833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6308QI054581; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6305gr054536 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:00:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D6A700048 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:55:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 9 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:55:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20071105192236.KCMY8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20071105192236.KCMY8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711052155.33247.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 318a0310-d0a0-4141-96e7-4c7c725c3e15 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 472FD8D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:00:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Monday 05 November 2007, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > My copy of NESAT 9 just arrived. It has a long list of very > interesting articles over a wide geographical area and time period > (if there is interest, I will try to list the contents over the next few > days). Someone actually posted a substantial portion of the table of contents, not too many days ago. I plan to buy it, but probably not for a few months at least, since I just succeeded in finding--and buying--a copy of NESAT 2--something that rarely turns up on the used book market. -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 6 01:00:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA660VEK009056 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:00:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA660ItK030266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:00:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA65xktp036094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:59:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA65xhtT089650; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:59:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA65xe88089618 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:59:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from momlaptop (c-65-97-2-249.hsd1.va.comcast.net [65.97.2.249]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1IpHTO2Fcn-0008Vt; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:59:40 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c8203a$1aaac3d0$6701a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <226147.77380.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:58:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/lLIv02iYAw8SgR7Vzyq6MvHdazqlZnQf3EC9 nf1y4o53F5k3s7lD1U00SVFqUo0CSQzAlD1ZvomeuboAsJrbFb ooKJAl7tZ+FczKYfyuCnQ== X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: The Journal of the Costume Society X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fad7352-d260-4553-9aec-0cb6aee4e607 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 473002F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:00:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sunny, I checked into this for a while last night. I was confused like you. I also do not understand RRS. I found Vol. #42 on a website for almost $75 USD. To become a UK Costume Society member from the U.S. is $50. This price includes the journal. I am interested in the journal's article about first communion/confirmation dresses. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 6 15:18:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6KItq6025072 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:18:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA6KIf9Z026527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:18:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6KHxZ6070375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6KHoge010859; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6KHj3G010639 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:17:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.22]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071106201739.VUSC19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:17:39 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.22]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071106201738.WNEA8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:17:38 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:16:46 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200711061902.lA6J1POG009822@net.indra.com> References: <200711061902.lA6J1POG009822@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071106201738.WNEA8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 523 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7eae8d6-7178-43ad-ba8b-69e76d34ad82 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4730CC21.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:18:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I believe that I was the one who posted the original announcement and the titles of 5 of the 40 papers. The amazing thing was that I ordered on 23 Oct and it arrived 5 Nov... in rural Arkansas (USA)! Congrats on scoring NESAT 2! Beth At 01:02 PM 11/6/2007, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:55:32 -0400 >From: Catherine Olanich Raymond >Subject: Re: [h-cost] NESAT 9 >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <200711052155.33247.cathy@thyrsus.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >On Monday 05 November 2007, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > My copy of NESAT 9 just arrived. It has a long list of very > > interesting articles over a wide geographical area and time period > > (if there is interest, I will try to list the contents over the next few > > days). > >Someone actually posted a substantial portion of the table of contents, not >too many days ago. > >I plan to buy it, but probably not for a few months at least, since I just >succeeded in finding--and buying--a copy of NESAT 2--something that rarely >turns up on the used book market. > >-- >Cathy Raymond _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 6 17:18:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6MI30E028945 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:18:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA6MHo8e012461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:17:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6MHEHw089279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6MH8tK066233; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:17:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6MH2ws066093 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:17:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so973591wri for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:17:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=QEIazylTPAUqf0W1Ki7FgCFG1XgamAON9WiVSZ28o7E=; b=XLQTw0DBerGSQOPflhdk+GbmBUUlwSMmaRRB5YY/f6+bR+AN1FY8sG8tQh0+WFCV4dCGorK60IWGfKYVVl5prkP7BQfAqbLkeVJMqlxO9+KlNLwIhFXobRM5iG9l11w/pIsnz7DIR4VjRR7Ho5iR3qXo+o82nqEXb/oKsK2Ov7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=m2hWT+GRoERvXO5PyJe3uldITpG76b+5L8VAzvfMi1BJA8/ZvON+2Inn5hvv1ph8VkkcnxtjkoCVjFoRhTU2TZkO3I6Tin14hGbl3RcQ+ragRnWQxMQT79pHgoIFeI/jN9LQXcX4P3elIxjZ9bjwysWUmqkpI5EQ+UWFV/eKaTI= Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr1882691wfh.1194387421148; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:17:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:17:01 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume & Fashion museums in Milan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9e143eb-c213-4a3e-aebc-7b25a27f5fb7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4730E80E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:17:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You'd think they'd be easy to find. Milan & fashion, goes together rather like bread & butter, doesnt it, yet I can seem to locate one. There's a Silk Museum (Museo della Seta) in Como about an hr due N of Milan, but I know nothing about it. If you've been, can you give a quick review, please? We're leaving for Italy on a whim tomorrow. (DH has to work; I' have to go as a technical advisor. ) We'll be in Torino, Genoa too. If you can think of something worth a costumer's (or a castle junkie's) while, I'd go & report. I do know about the Egyptian Museum in Torino & all those lovely art galleries in Milan. There's even a new one in Genoa. Your kind suggestions most welcome! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 6 17:55:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6Mt3dA030291 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:55:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA6Msn21022250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6MsD7H095415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:54:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA6MsADd012829; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA6Ms5Bk012647 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66726 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2007 22:53:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=w/U8NfPdLrlGnTBy/r/iXfaW7XSQnsU7XUuP6a1WvHT1gcLrV1yEm1BScXk+C7rEeVQZgc+G+ZJgHPHUnwbvpaestGSC/zgFLbGi6/GI6SU+TH+HTjwi6B4uiORGRorBB+Wsku2zp6Sl6hWMDH19tbt7Pz19fMa0i+TdZ5T0pyw=; X-YMail-OSG: T04Gr_IVM1lGob1Uk35d_JHmLbiCwcWDipu.LrNQo1IhTFIwiyGU5WgMUSFV3QjKPQ-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:53:59 PST Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:53:59 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Newcomer (sort of) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000201c82058$6e6542c0$cc0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <792056.66067.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd3a37a1-0c70-4f58-9b53-b088f3ddd520 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4730F0B9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:54:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Welcome back!! Kimiko (aka Joane Silvertoppe) --- Frank A Thallas Jr wrote: > Hello the list! > > My name is Liadain, I used to belong here a couple > of years ago; I > primarily do blackwork and 16th-century, but am > pretty much interested in > everything else as well.... > > Your Very Good Health! > > Liadain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 6 21:25:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA72PbjW002880 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:25:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA72PNPO024391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:25:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA72OlWs018372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA72Ofva017522; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:24:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA72Obgs017456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:24:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-247-52.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA72OZxh025076 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:24:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200711061901.lA6J1IuR009610@net.indra.com> References: <200711061901.lA6J1IuR009610@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <7FDA18E8-86C5-414A-9130-673FCA7548C9@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] the journal of the Costume Society Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:24:34 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4687/Tue Nov 6 17:18:35 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76953956-4be7-4794-aac9-ef5d03677ef8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47312213.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:25:27 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear Penny and Sunny (and others), Costume is an academic journal and so more likely to be found in an academic library. You can ask your [college or public] library if they will do article requests via InterLibrary Loan. My library gets them electronically and sends the patron a link; it's up to the patron to Save the file or print it. You can see the contents of the volume (note that there is a typo -- vol. 41 is the 2007 issue) at http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/journal.html The IngentaConnect website -- the platform that makes Maney publications available electronically -- indicates that it is possible to buy articles with a credit card... I haven't looked into this but I suspect that it is very expensive. :-) You can also look up (or ask your librarian to look up) the journal in WorldCat and find out which library in your area has a subscription. Then make a trip over there and make your own copies! I searched for "Costume the journal of the Costume Society" (because "costume" is much too broad a term) and found that there are 4 libraries in my state that have subscriptions -- 3 of them are state- supported schools and so I have the privilege of using their periodical reading rooms. Also, some states have a State Library system that can do ILL for any state employee -- it's worth checking into, if you think you qualify. http://www.worldcat.org/ And for those of you who attend the International Congress on Medieval Studies in Kalamazoo in May: last year, Maney had a table in the vendor hall and they just happened to be selling copies of the latest issue for $40. I have my fingers crossed that they will be offering vol. 41 at the next Congress! Suzanne p.s. Penny, don't worry about RSS. It's just another way to get early notification of things that interest you. Your kids (or librarian) can probably explain it to you. :-) And vol. 42 of Costume won't be published 'til next summer so I think that website is suspicious. On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:01 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > From: "Penny Ladnier" > > Sunny, > > I checked into this for a while last night. I was confused like > you. I also do not understand RRS. I found Vol. #42 on a website > for almost $75 USD. To become a UK Costume Society member from the > U.S. is $50. This price includes the journal. > > I am interested in the journal's article about first communion/ > confirmation dresses. > > Penny Ladnier, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 6 22:02:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA732uI9003847 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:02:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA732b1N018820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:02:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7325La022394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7323GE047720; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:02:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA73204N047659 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:02:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9C5700048 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:57:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 523 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:57:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200711061902.lA6J1POG009822@net.indra.com> <20071106201738.WNEA8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <20071106201738.WNEA8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711062157.22918.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 41e971de-c4f8-4b42-a5cd-b30272a59912 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47312ACD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:02:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tuesday 06 November 2007, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > I believe that I was the one who posted the original announcement and > the titles of 5 of the 40 papers.] You may have been. I thought I'd remembered seeing a contents list for NESAT IX, but when I looked, couldn't find it. (I did find the program schedule for the NESAT X conference, which will be in Denmark in May 2008--nifty topics there too.) > The amazing thing was that I > ordered on 23 Oct and it arrived 5 Nov... in rural Arkansas (USA)! That's great. Congratulations. I'm planning to wait a few months until David Brown cuts their price (they will, eventually). > > Congrats on scoring NESAT 2! Thanks. It shows up darn seldom on the used book sites--the last time I saw a copy was a good three or four years ago. Now the only one I need is NESAT 1--which I have never seen in a book search. I think you were the one who said that there were very few copies printed, and it may be that only the participants got copies. :-( -- Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 7 00:10:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA75AtDQ006433 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:10:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA75Af4F025378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:10:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA75A2I1033147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:10:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA758nCn048417; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA758jxk048353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-247-52.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA758hn3028356 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:08:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200710172144.l9HLi2gb026661@net.indra.com> References: <200710172144.l9HLi2gb026661@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <6EE9CF70-4607-406B-9CDF-669F925F047B@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Cutting for All!" [long] Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:08:42 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4688/Tue Nov 6 19:46:55 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7897fe6d-84da-44a5-9bf5-e37df6ff214d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473148D1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:10:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO There've been some great book recommendations on the list lately -- and that reminds me that I never sent my review of "Cutting for All! : the sartorial arts, related crafts, and the commercial paper pattern; a bibliographic reference guide for designers, technicians, and historians" by Kevin L. Seligman. As we suspected, it's an annotated bibliography. As with all such products, its usefulness decreases with time. And this was published in 1996 -- before a lot of us had internet access. There are other ways to acquire this information now. That's not to say that this is a bad book, just that it's not an essential purchase for a home library. It's worth a look if you can find it in your library or get it on Inter-Library Loan. The first chapter, on the "History of the development of the publication of books, professional journals, and the emergence of the paper pattern industry" is 46 pages long, profusely illustrated, and quite interesting. The author tells us that the "earliest surviving work on cutting" was published in 1580 in Spain; that the first French work is dated 1671, the first English work appeared in 1789 and the first in America in 1809. So most of the chapter deals with the 19th century, with just a page or two on the 20th century. The second chapter is "Chronological listings" and has exactly 3 publications listed for 1500-1599, one of which is Alcega in the original and one of which is the English translation published in 1979... oh well. There are 3 Spanish publications and one French listed for 1600-1699. There are a whopping eleven listings for 1700-1799 but 2 of them are 20th century articles about extant garments. For the 19th century, he subdivides by decade with just a page or two at first then it really takes off by 1880. The chapter ends with 1989 (another drawback to bibliographies is that they are often slightly out of date by the time they see print!). Aside from the exceptions noted above, the listings in each chronological section are contemporary works *not* historical treatments that happened to be published in a particular decade. Works by Janet Arnold, Dorothy Burnham, Jean Hunnisett, Blanche Payne, et al., appear in the "Costume and dance" chapter later in the book. Other chapters list "Professional journals" (American and English) published for the professional tailor and dressmaker; "Journal articles" (American, English, Other) from costume related professional journals that feature pattern drafts as part of the article; and various subjects such as "Folk and national dress", "Millinery" and "Commercial pattern companies, periodicals, and catalogs". The indexes are extensive. Each entry is brief, with only a sentence or two to describe the work; sometimes he lists a specific library that has the work (the U.S. Library of Congress, Harvard, The British Library, the New York Public Library, etc.); non- English language materials are noted but there's very little coverage of non-English language journals (I was surprised that I could only find one of Janet Arnold's Waffen-und Kostumkunde articles). The indexes are extensive -- about 40 pages worth. I would have liked to see some cross-references (in the chronological listing for 1944, I found "Short-cuts to sewing success" by the DuBarry Patttern Company; in the chapter on pattern companies, I found that DuBarry Patterns were manufactured by Simplicity as the house brand for Woolworth's from 1934 to 1946 and no mention of their other publication) but that's probably because I'm lazy. ;-) My final observation is that there is no attempt to evaluate any of these sources. They are all presented without comment as to their veracity and/or usefulness. He did borrow annotations from other bibliographies but these are indicated by letter codes that are explained in the Introduction. Questions? Suzanne On Oct 17, 2007, at 4:44 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Does anyone know anything about this book? > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0809320061/thecostumersmani > > Zuzana > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 7 01:07:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA767M6X007537 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:07:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA7678t0002605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7616hF036719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA760Oxo087326; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA760Kr6087253 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:00:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75F96AEBF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:00:18 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-3.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-3.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.3]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:00:23 +1100 Message-ID: <1194415223.4731547764194@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:00:23 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Cutting for All!" 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:07:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Suzanne : > There've been some great book recommendations on the list lately -- What a great posting, thank you, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 7 01:20:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA76JwC3007774 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:19:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA76JjEc012189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:19:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA76JEpg037890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:19:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA76JC5L001579; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA76J9eW001536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.114.130] (dial-209-148-114-130.sonic.net [209.148.114.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lA76J67r004139 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:19:07 -0800 Message-ID: <473158DB.1060702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:19:07 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Cutting for All!" 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:19:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've had _Cutting for All_ since it was published, and have corresponded briefly with Kevin Seligman about it. My friend Robb Shep (R. L. Shep books on costuming) was also involved in the project, and has discussed it with me. Kevin Seligman had a large personal collection of works on costuming, most of which which he has since donated to the library at the LA County Museum of Arts. This bibliography is partly based on his collection, and partly on books sold by Robb Shep during the long period when Robb was a dealer in used costuming books (he has since sold that business to Fred Struthers, though Fred mostly sells new books these days). Robb said the bibliography is also based partly on Betty Williams' collection, which went to the University of Rhode Island after her death. Kevin Seligman's original plan was to have extensive annotations for every work. Robb saved many years of his own catalog listings and annotations, and he said he offered them to Kevin Seligman to use as needed. But Seligman's publisher did not want to invest in a book that long, therefore very expensive to print, and which after all would have a limited specialist audience; and so the publisher insisted that Seligman cut way down on the annotations. I too wish Keven Seligman would update _Cutting for All_. A year or so ago I bought a book from him that the LA Museum had not wanted because it was a duplicate of one they already had. At that time I asked him if he had any plans to update _Cutting for All_ soon, and he said no. Note, for an updated edition to be published, he would have to sell his publisher on the idea. As this edition is still in print, they will want to sell out their print run first, even if they plan a new edition at some point in the future. However, it still might happen someday and I certainly hope it does. But note that the listings are mostly of antique sources, and they are not going to get any more outdated than they are already. I think it is a very useful bibliography. There are many fewer early sources listed, quite simply because many fewer early sources were published. It is in the second half of the 19th century that an explosion in publishing books and magazines, on pattern cutting as well as many other subjects, took place. Also, in the 19th century there was a fever for inventing scientific improvements, and again, this affected pattern cutting as well as many other things. Although I would like more annotations to describe what is in a book before I buy it somewhere on the used market, I think it would have been completely out of place for Seligman to evaluate the sources for "veracity" and "usefulness." The bibliography is intended, as far as I can tell, to be used by everyone with any interest in historic garment-pattern cutting for any purpose whatever, or even only in books on the subject. (Used-book dealers often refer to "Seligman," for example.) Sources useful to some people will necessarily be useless to many others. It's a list, not a review media. As for "veracity," most of the sources listed are old, not modern works. While it is certainly true that the authors of original sources can make mistakes, be misled, be biased, lie, etc. (being just as human as modern authors), I'm not sure how you'd apply the concept of "veracity" to a list of technical works on garment cutting and sewing, which is what this bibliography is. Certainly, the 19th-century style of titling books on any subject is bombastic (my favorite book title in this bibliography is _The Archetypical Consummation_), but I just take that for granted. I don't think the intention was ever to list every library that has a copy of every book, which is another thing that would greatly lengthen _Cutting for All_. You need to do a library search on a book if it interests you. I don't know why Seligman listed any libraries at all. At any rate, I've gotten a great deal of use out of _Cutting for All_ in building my own collection. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com Suzanne wrote: > > My final observation is that there is no attempt to evaluate any of > these sources. They are all presented without comment as to their > veracity and/or usefulness. He did borrow annotations from other > bibliographies but these are indicated by letter codes that are > explained in the Introduction. > > Questions? > Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 7 13:14:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7IEs7C014048 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:14:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA7IEeBM006271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:14:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7IDnMv049947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7IDexU065976; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:13:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7IDaCP065726 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([10.4.13.85]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:13:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:13:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.84.57 by bl124fd.blu124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:13:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.121.84.57] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com In-Reply-To: <009f01c7d87c$7ab64b60$0200a8c0@bobfamilyroom> From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:13:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 18:13:30.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[E69BEC00:01C82169] X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86330ba3-14a1-4dc2-ab2e-94164c1a800b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47320090.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 7 17:04:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7M4LY2020603 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:04:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA7M47i0005364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:04:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7M3BOl093651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7M2wGd075114; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:03:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7E6eg9045364 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:06:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W38 ([65.55.136.73]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:06:35 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.149.215.92] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:06:34 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <473158DB.1060702@lavoltapress.com> References: <200710172144.l9HLi2gb026661@net.indra.com> <6EE9CF70-4607-406B-9CDF-669F925F047B@cybermesa.com> <473158DB.1060702@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 14:06:35.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[685B55F0:01C82147] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f321c8f7-7ccc-43e0-8298-edaff8c75d2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47323657.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:10:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hilarious!,=20 thanks for the giggle, =20 Laurie =20 > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:53 +1100> From: stilskin@netspace.net.au> To:= h-costume@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk taffeta (should be "Ban ta= ffeta")> CC: > > I have a bone to pick with the stuff.> > Many years back a= s a DJ I was working a wedding. I start to hear a slight hiss-> hiss noise = and think, oh, great, speaker or amp problem just when I don't need > it.> = > I check my equipment settings, faders, mic levels, lines, all those other= tech > things. Nothing amiss. I check my cables, all okay.> > I go to one = speaker. Nothing wrong. The other speaker, nothing wrong. Stand > back, not= hing seems wrong but still the damned hiss.> > Then I realise the cause, th= ree bridesmaids in taffeta dresses dancing,> > -C.> > > -------------------= -----------------------------------------> This email was sent from Netspac= e Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au> > __________________________________= _____________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mai= l.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Boo!=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:31:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO For those of you in the Barrie, Ontario region, come join me at Chapters this Saturday, November 10, at 76 Barrie View Drive, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. = I=92ll be signing copies of my cookbook, Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, and my = new historical fiction, Shadow Song. =20 Regards, Lorina Stephens Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality customs shower doors, books by Lorina Stephens, hand-crafted cooperage, fine art, embroidery supplies, Porter music = boxes.=20 Now Available: Shadow Song, by Lorina Stephens Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 HYPERLINK "mailto:info@5rivers.org"info@5rivers.org - = HYPERLINK "http://www.5rivers.org"www.5rivers.org =20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1117 - Release Date: = 11/7/2007 10:52 PM =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 10:59:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8Fxnbm024588 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:59:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA8FxZ42004071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:59:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8FwvVE011058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8Fwn0J016574; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:58:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8FwkE3016435 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:58:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W27 ([65.55.133.62]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:58:41 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.159.132] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost]Night caps Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:58:40 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2007 15:58:41.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BB78580:01C82220] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63b4e7cf-6d2f-4b18-a91a-eb3a80839e64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47333267.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:59:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Here's a suitably esoteric question for this group. Night caps. As in,=20 "Mama in her kerchief and I in my cap=20 had just settled down for a long winter's nap" =20 When were they worn? What were they made of ? How were they contructed? = How did they stay on? =20 I'm assuming they may have been worn any time that fires were the only sour= ce of home heating, but I have only seen images from late 1800's and early = 1900's. I'd like to make some. Anyone know? =20 Laurie =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 16:11:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8LBaQh000661 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:11:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA8LBMJX001296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:11:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8LABEs092476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8LA4bU044283; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:10:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8L9T6M043663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:09:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.113.213] (dial-209-148-113-213.sonic.net [209.148.113.213]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lA8L9SZn031322 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:09:29 -0800 Message-ID: <47337B0A.6050705@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:09:30 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Book Signing References: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8dcadea-98a9-483a-81d2-f54fcb0a0d5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47337B7A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > For those of you in the Barrie, Ontario region, come join me at Chapters > this Saturday, November 10, at 76 Barrie View Drive, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. I’ll > be signing copies of my cookbook, Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, and my new > historical fiction, Shadow Song. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 17:35:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8MZl49002719 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:35:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA8MZXsP011328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:35:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8MYsxi018933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:34:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8MYpwe059120; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from proactive.newcastle.edu.au (proactive.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.4.12]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8MYmlr059042 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jane_stockton@webcon.net.au) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.proactive.priv by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700B08LDKI200@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:34:32 +1100 (EST) Received: from ccb214-3dvvp1s.webcon.net.au ([134.148.170.190]) by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR700AABLDB9WB0@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:34:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:34:22 +1100 From: Jane Stockton Subject: RE: [h-cost]Night caps In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <0JR700AACLDB9WB0@proactive.priv> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.311128, Antispam-Data: 2007.11.8.141440 References: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-Perlmx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='X_MAILER_EUDORA_7109 0.05, __ANY_QUALCOMM_MUA 0, __CP_MEDIA_BODY 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_PHRASE_7 0' X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d58a8f7-6ab2-469e-87bb-25b26f968baa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47338F35.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Try searching the V&A, Cleveland Museum of Art, and the MFA Boston. They all have online images. For construction - http://katerina.purplefiles.net/art%26scribes/Embroid/nightcap.htm Cheers, Jane ------------------------------------ Jane Stockton - jane_stockton@webcon.net.au Barony of Mordenvale, Kingdom of Lochac In Prayse of the Needle - http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/ (personal website) Historical Needlework Resources - http://medieval.webcon.net.au/ (resource website) The Needles' Excellency - http://laren.blogspot.com/ (blog) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 18:07:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8N7Fp3003550 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:07:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA8N71nI010398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:07:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8N1Qpv026591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:01:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8N1LJF091824; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA8N1GYV091635 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:01:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071108230110.EVKT18394.fep32.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:01:10 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.95]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071108230110.WPUI11710.fep48.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:01:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c8225b$39de08c0$5fe73f50@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> <0JR700AACLDB9WB0@proactive.priv> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Night caps Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:00:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.95] at Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:01:10 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 070d8604-aaaf-4f3e-a594-f005ad2326fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47339695.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:07:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Also 17th and 18th century have some very nice night caps survived. If you would like to try to embroider an 18th century one, there is a gorgeous pattern in the book "Costume Close Up" from Colonial Williamsburg. It has the draft of the embroidery two. Night caps were used by men, not only when they went to bed, but also when they were relaxed at home, wearing a banyan (house coat). In 18th century they were ideal, because when mundane, they didnt have to wear a wig, but could use the night cap in stead. They were made with manny beautifull embroideries, with polycrome collours and the banyans was also very collourfull. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 19:44:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA90i39U006100 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:44:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA90hnV2023891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA90h5lH046477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA90h2Vx002003; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:43:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA90guUL001806 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:42:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d18.16fec675 (29679) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:42:48 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:42:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost]Night caps To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87f73760-0f02-49e8-b3ca-0d562df03de4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4733AD45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:43:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 11/8/2007 6:02:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Also 17th and 18th century And I'd say as far back as medieval. You can see them in illustrations sometimes. Of course I can't think of any now, but I remember doing a show and making a simple linen one to be worn under a broad brimmed hat. I saw it in an illumination. It had long ties [untied and hanging] that would tie under the chin. And of course this was a man out and about in the day, but the same kind of close coif-like cap could serve the purpose of a night cap...which was to keep your head warm. It covered his ears. For all we know the Roman could have worn them. I mean, think about it. Such a useful item before central heating. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 20:02:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA912oYw006772 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:02:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA912atk031933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:02:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9124kt049031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:02:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9122pT019542; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA911uo5019451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from Susanlaptopras (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2471B6A58B for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:01:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <04db01c8226c$202fb930$0200a8c0@Susanlaptopras> From: "Susan C" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Night caps Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:01:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5691669-3582-4e6c-be98-dba6f3d051e2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4733B1AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:02:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Here's a suitably esoteric question for this group. Night caps. As in, "Mama in her kerchief and I in my cap had just settled down for a long winter's nap" When were they worn? What were they made of ? How were they contructed? How did they stay on? ----------------- My dad stills wears them and my mom makes them for him out of flannel. Last time they visited he left one behind. This one is cut on the fold and it looks a bit like a quarter circle pie shaped piece, except it is a bit flat on top and still sloping outward slightly at the bottom. There is one flat felled seam and a hem of about an inch and a half. It's a bit loose when he wears it and near as I knew he just puts it on and it stays on. Susan in Bellevue, WA. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 21:05:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA925N3c008128 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:05:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9259dv024042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:05:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA924bVU058714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:04:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA924aWD077990; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:04:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA924XoJ077845 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:04:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W22 ([65.55.133.57]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:04:28 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.159.132] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost]Night caps Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:04:28 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2007 02:04:28.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC3AF060:01C82274] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3dfda003-6eff-4b92-bd8f-15fad3c84083 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4733C055.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:05:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO So it looks as though I'd be safe using a basic coif pattern with ties (my = hair is very slippery). It seems I may have been wrong about the time period I quoted originally, t= hough. I did a google and found 2 New York Times articles from 1883 and 18= 84 (related one to the other) about a doctor who suggested going "back" to = wearing night caps "like our grandfather's did" in order to eliminate dream= ing and have peaceful sleep. The second article states that the author has= tried this and indeed it works, altho "men are no more likely to wear a ni= ght cap than women are to wear sensible footwear". =20 There was also a reference to gentlemen wearing them as Bjarne suggests, no= t as sleepwear, but as informal dress at home during the day. I hadn't con= sidered the wig issue! =20 Thanks all, Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!=A0 Play Star Shuffle:=A0 the word scramble = challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=3Dstarshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc= t= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 21:10:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA92AOwa008228 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:10:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA92AAiq008387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:10:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA91rUPh056570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA91rJxP067482; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA91rGlt067354 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:53:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W36 ([65.55.133.71]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:53:10 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.229.159.132] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost]Night caps Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:53:10 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0JR700AACLDB9WB0@proactive.priv> References: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> <0JR700AACLDB9WB0@proactive.priv> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2007 01:53:10.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[483893F0:01C82273] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5a3e8a6-1aba-4ba2-846b-41c6947b2f46 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4733C182.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:10:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Well, they must have been fairly common in the Elizabethan period as > th= ere are quite a few surviving examples in museums of highly > embroidered n= ightcaps.> > Try searching the V&A, Cleveland Museum of Art, and the MFA Bo= ston. > They all have online images.> > For construction - > http://katerin= a.purplefiles.net/art%26scribes/Embroid/nightcap.htm>=20 This is fantastic, thanks Jane! =20 Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook =96 together at last. =A0= Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=3DCL10062= 6971033= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 21:12:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA92ClMK008256 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:12:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA92CXL5010296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:12:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA92CBZ2059734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA92CAZQ084175; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA92C7Ya084084 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6471 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2007 02:12:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Mw3eDRFm7jJ65XN3ONjkDnYGQoERKs3uasD+Ej7Xa0pDuKn296T9SnAUUne8GM2BEKG0mW+w1SGCZMu/x5+ITwVg0Sl2k5Vp/eRdQNXlm5wNQuWLMa9qWPAqaJHb1rlUfiy/yOCHwjQ5OKnDgOdCjYNAFaoLfcs1AyoXQ20lTlc=; X-YMail-OSG: Ni_yX.AVM1lzxWXbHPTHHWMlyynPqwJmljVyfboWBbN4Aq3FUH4bCfBUrZvDjmhbXiwI412A80NQF5YC1EUimcMErBZxmpy5CWxngTnydaIO4YEaQWAYVVrBv0mk Received: from [69.183.23.23] by web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:12:01 PST Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:12:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <923827.6239.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Night caps X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74cc15ba-c040-4a70-8724-61889d506a61 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4733C211.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:12:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/8/2007 6:02:30 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > Also 17th and 18th century > > And I'd say as far back as medieval. You can see > them in illustrations > sometimes. Of course I can't think of any now, I remember an illumination of a couple who'd just conceived a baby getting the baby's soul shipped down by heavenly express (rather like the Holy Spirit in the Annuciation genre), and both mother and father have their heads covered. Late fourteenth/early fifteenth century. Not much of a reference, I know. Sorry. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 8 22:31:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA93VA0h010598 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:31:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA93UqCr007953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:30:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA93UJke070398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:30:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA93UHSm051549; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA93UF8Q051509 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:30:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so470436waf for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:30:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=LTyk51C7aQYHOKE3ooXu7fUCXYKApTjpsYZquO3E5vY=; b=H2pXEUjGSnkSBJp8qoYrSil7lkahY534d/iDNlUmj7n+dUUo6Fk3hl/mvraEzd1StWup5OVVxhFwh0DZu+jTxaUVH/yEjRK1FU5+zkckLKWVwp1BU/W3tXXVKxrGuMPPd6dSErBjb2lss5+RI0uAHU6YUMfz21VAz2U/0jv8tWk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=DzauSP5rW8qvfVp8bQR8/5G5i5BHiNAK1S9KPQ0G2Trp/Rj4fHmyeMS4iFdZzEtI5DLKVtWmskggD3CMGDkzDtiP47aYFGAVxoDXjoPD56r+rzqi6OOrHTxVv5S+vWlSdvQbeMq+D42fGVJWiEiePhnM8wDK2pqxQu6MZZ7xHFQ= Received: by 10.114.94.1 with SMTP id r1mr388961wab.1194579014791; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.107.17 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:30:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:30:14 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Night caps X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 538d45f7-9c5c-483c-b5a1-2d9cc8f188bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4733D46C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:30:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO One of the ace pilots who flew with the Red Baron, a delightful youngster named Kurt Wolff, had a nightcap with a black velvet band that he wore as a lucky talisman. Somewhere I have a pic of him and another officer; the guy is teasing him by holding up the tail of the nightcap. :) Lothar von Richthofen remembered it as being made from "knitted blue silk". I read somewhere a long, long time ago that the nightcap had belonged to Wolff's late father, a minor politician who died when Wolff was a very young child. Can't remember where I read it, alas... In the pics I've seen of Wolff in the nightcap, the garment seems like the stereotypical one we see in old illustrations: hangs off the head with a long tail, and possibly something at the end like a tassel. The black velvet band was probably the part that held it on the head. The pilots of the Great War were a very superstitious lot. I know of one who flew with a teddy bear in the open cockpit of his plane (though I'm sure the bear was lashed down well!). Cheers, Meli/Sharon Laurie asks: Here's a suitably esoteric question for this group. Night caps. As in, "Mama in her kerchief and I in my cap had just settled down for a long winter's nap" When were they worn? What were they made of ? How were they contructed? How did they stay on? I'm assuming they may have been worn any time that fires were the only source of home heating, but I have only seen images from late 1800's and early 1900's. I'd like to make some. Anyone know? Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 02:56:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA97uZlG007339 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:56:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA97uLPR029957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:56:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA97tUe2003149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA97tQrT069417; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:55:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA97tMsn069283 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:55:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200711090755.lA97tMsn069283@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with smtp id AXmT1Y0031HzFnQ0000Y00; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:55:17 +0000 Received: from NunnWeinberg1.comcast.net ([24.245.56.177]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AXvG1Y0033pRGfs0000100; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:55:17 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NYhZm2wxvxZUR_yunvIA:9 a=6qHFCFlWh3WNMCvsGKld7M6Sad0A:4 a=6bqG61NMjcsA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:54:04 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Book Signing In-Reply-To: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 970e7464-cf87-4bf4-8631-0d4ab95bb6c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 473412A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I really wish I could be there for it. :-) Cheers, Danielle At 09:30 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >For those of you in the Barrie, Ontario region, come join me at Chapters >this Saturday, November 10, at 76 Barrie View Drive, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. I'll >be signing copies of my cookbook, Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, and my new >historical fiction, Shadow Song. > > > >Regards, > >Lorina Stephens _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 03:35:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA98ZWja012447 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 03:35:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA98ZHMP017832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 03:35:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA98YjYf006051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:34:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA98YiLm002218; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lA98YfRl002102 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:34:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from txldyjuliana@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71283 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2007 08:34:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FcNiy1J8vwAMDyojFJfRH+morQ/5CwhCqfNJU9urwtyO6Xw1Vt4vI5tRDKqu+3sK35Iu10QBAsVRDZ9nPSlWud7SKQB6QLFbNfMRFAZY1jQI0ZOQ+Unfpm11iLos6ldGjY7zY/cFevwNjA+z+UlmhZ5mAPUXXWIv1f5p+I9EjrM=; X-YMail-OSG: RVIThsUVM1ksX.Jq38qnSzAA03FcsqohcwEfSmv9dxxCERuyijVmHNWovkbYFTIa7AxaACyS8_KcVWfWjh.Mk0FpR9sXc42ZoEoKmoNnwHXZNWClyijJLzVJOPHEBO0PqGHDeftCwqIV61.48gfGJSeH1w-- Received: from [209.169.127.197] by web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:34:35 PST Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:34:35 -0800 (PST) From: juliana foulare To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <677268.70939.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery sewing machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e28b6b62-017f-4f7f-855c-f15c3815cdea X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47341BC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 06:35:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9BZ19K010142 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:35:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9BYjCb009419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:34:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9BY0Qo022851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:34:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9BXtF8048537; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9BXpdb048425 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c3f.21363fb5 (29678) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:33:42 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery sewing machine To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f225231-3e7a-40db-8c43-c1927ccf43f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 473445D5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 10:06:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9F6ThZ019506 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:06:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9F6FEq015074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9F5fXi048221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:05:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9F5brE052004; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:05:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA980Ijd073887 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200711090800.lA980Ijd073887@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with smtp id AXxv1Y0020x6nqc0100C00; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:00:20 +0000 Received: from NunnWeinberg1.comcast.net ([24.245.56.177]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AY0K1Y0033pRGfs0000000; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:00:20 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-0Mt1xFMXFXIrU8nfFoA:9 a=5a1K4MCbkze_5hyxknkL5C2i6yEA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:59:09 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost]Night caps In-Reply-To: References: <003001c8221c$41d3fe20$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 3450975f-892c-484a-910c-4d170f0fc180 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47347767.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:06:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I don't know exactly when they started being worn but there is a famous portrait miniature of Henry VIII's illegitimate son Henry Fitzroy wearing one. Oh, now that I think of it, I seem to remember a number of 15th century French illuminations depicting people in bed wearing them, as well... At that time they would have most likely been made of linen, but it is rather difficult to generalize about construction. I seem to remember some of the extant ones I've seen in the V&A being of a four panel construction, tapering to a point at the crown.....if that makes any sense. I don't remember seeing any ties but then I wasn't looking for any. Cheers, Danielle At 09:58 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >Here's a suitably esoteric question for this group. Night caps. As in, > "Mama in her kerchief and I in my cap > had just settled down for a long winter's nap" > >When were they worn? What were they made of ? How were they >contructed? How did they stay on? > >I'm assuming they may have been worn any time that fires were the >only source of home heating, but I have only seen images from late >1800's and early 1900's. I'd like to make some. >Anyone know? > >Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 10:09:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9F9XE7019600 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:09:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9F9GV2032706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:09:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9F8riv048501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9F8q8R055264; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA98J61Z090107 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7B7159A053E; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:17:59 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost]Night caps Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:19:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c822a9$455efe90$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgiaX3y7S1KC+MOTCaHBCYQ/80RFQAP78Dg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 0d901759-7279-4a69-ac9b-41443bdbce4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4734781C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:09:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO That sounds like a biggin. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:43 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost]Night caps In a message dated 11/8/2007 6:02:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Also 17th and 18th century And I'd say as far back as medieval. You can see them in illustrations sometimes. Of course I can't think of any now, but I remember doing a show and making a simple linen one to be worn under a broad brimmed hat. I saw it in an illumination. It had long ties [untied and hanging] that would tie under the chin. And of course this was a man out and about in the day, but the same kind of close coif-like cap could serve the purpose of a night cap...which was to keep your head warm. It covered his ears. For all we know the Roman could have worn them. I mean, think about it. Such a useful item before central heating. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 10:11:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9FBKal019678 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:11:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9FB6PS022268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:11:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9FAkd9048843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9FAhmE057726; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:10:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9Eol67036493 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so1239332pyi for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:50:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=U5ugkazXJpCvNOKnYd8VCE1F8Y9aEgQJBl7PUPNRHE0=; b=B/1QJ600cGsp/MVXiQfmFLL9xYt1+KKd2s2qKNr2xI1CcdP+MGmJV9UTPJxWqJDwfcTcdGfTC6zJnyNLRiHZEeA1nwbRF4r4RYpXiSvWPaAyk4jiYq3erqs+tM2fXiboGP7531POrkLljHmE0hiKRcGGO/xupfWtcy7ypOWZCT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hu76b4+Gh62BzRiJIqQ5SxEDC13+JPCejMiMCHMjXNPIX12eWq9DOrTMFAO0ehHQ8oxhLgKIyuzJ2P1KWWpqheptznJogVW5/gEKrZ6KdKDuY62gTWnG/JyKtQTpBmIcOobp9lgTmX7ELBVrDaPA6Qj3ht6httMBXRIJJLebxAQ= Received: by 10.35.87.10 with SMTP id p10mr2141139pyl.1194619846619; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.101.10 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:50:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590711090650g1f917a80r784a83d82c25095f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:50:46 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery sewing machine In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 5dc4c47c-72bc-4360-8243-554ea096d3cb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4734788A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:11:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Nov 9, 2007 5:33 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 11/9/2007 3:35:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > txldyjuliana@yahoo.com writes: > > After looking at soooo many I'm confused (not that it takes much to do that) > and can't make up my mind. My question is this in your opinion which one do > you "feel" is best and why you feel this way? > > > I don't have experience with their embroidery machines, but I would probably > go with a Bernina. I do have a regular Bernina machine and, through the > shop where I bought it, have heard people who are into embroidery and are very > happy with theirs. The people who make Berninas, in Switzerland, really seem > to care about producing a quality product. > > Ann Wass > > Along those same lines, I have a pffaff, and I love it. My mother loved it too before she let me have it, some twenty-five years ago. since then she has had several pfaff's that do all kinds of things. she purchased a nearly top of the line pfaff for machine embroidery and really likes it, even several years later. I've always done my embroidery by hand so I can't offer much help with the why's alex -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 10:15:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9FF7vm019841 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:15:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9FErsQ026745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:14:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9FEUhv049323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9FETF1062188; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9FEPQU062115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3530D85075; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:14:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-130.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IP_WIGHTMAN2=-30, TRUEMAIL_BODY_AVG=0.001,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B19584E2E for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:14:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:14:26 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000d01c822e3$37734180$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgi4Gc7Nhc1hUFFQFGIfLbyaEax7gAAmocg In-Reply-To: <200711091450.lA9EooF1036539@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT: Book Signing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 529c58bf-769e-4b07-afb7-0e4a0fceb8df X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4734796D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 5:55 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 10:58:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9FwL6d021427 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:58:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9Fw6NH013381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:58:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9FvEQv056463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9FvBma013487; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9Fv8Zk013321 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:57:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49173] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id 0F/1A-02870-51384374 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:56:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200711091450.lA9EooF1036539@net.indra.com> References: <200711091450.lA9EooF1036539@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:56:53 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery machine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74782d6b-1006-4b13-b5e2-78f0dbf942d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4734838E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:58:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 7:50 AM -0700 11/9/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/9/2007 3:35:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> txldyjuliana@yahoo.com writes: >> >> After looking at soooo many I'm confused (not that it takes much >>to do that) >> and can't make up my mind. My question is this in your opinion >>which one do >> you "feel" is best and why you feel this way? I have 2 POEMs also known as Husygrams. They are embroidery only heads--I have wonderful sewing machines, solid metal, so just needed the embroidery part. It talks to the computer with a simple cable, designs are handled on the computer, no cards that can go bad and over time become hard to find. The digitizing program is not automatic, but is very powerful. The stitches are very nice, and there are 2nd party digitizing/sewing out programs available. Best part? I got my 2nd machine for $100 with extras. It is not in production, but there are a number out there... They are good sturdy home use machines that can handle occasional large runs of patches/t shirts/whatever for your favorite club or the occasional very large embroidery project. If you are looking to do commercial work, there are better machines out there than the various home machines...and the $$$ reflect that Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 11:13:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9GDhpX021866 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:13:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9GDSkN019878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:13:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9GCauo058748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9GCX9i033879; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:12:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9GCT6X033639 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c99.20079e17 (65100) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:12:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:12:19 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost]Night caps To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c737cd72-14bd-4162-8557-8166507177b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47348728.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:13:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 11/9/2007 10:10:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: That sounds like a biggin. *************** Indeed. Main Entry: 2biggin Function: noun Etymology: Middle French beguin : _CAP _ (javascript:lookWord('cap');) : a : a child's cap b : _NIGHTCAP _ (javascript:lookWord('nightcap');) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 15:33:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9KXKDE030482 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:33:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9KX6fL032391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA9KWDRV010322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:32:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9KW4lP072477; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:32:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA9KVvEG072152 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:32:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.181] (sjs-130-65-37-181.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.181]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9KVnoU027409 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:31:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <677268.70939.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <677268.70939.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A238CE6-9934-4F62-A9A2-5437563D113D@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery sewing machine Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:31:30 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7404b86-941b-4682-878b-067f9a47ef69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4734C402.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:33:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:34 AM, juliana foulare wrote: > Greetings all, > I have a question for everyone. I have been wanting a machine > that does embroidery for yearsss. It now seems that this will > become a reality. After looking at soooo many I'm confused (not > that it takes much to do that) and can't make up my mind. My > question is this in your opinion which one do you "feel" is best > and why you feel this way? You can either answer on the list or to > me privately. You don't buy an embroidery machine, you buy a sewing machine dealer. You don't buy an embroidery machine, you buy digitizing software. Seriously. You're talking about a very powerful machine that can do a lot of things and that can cost more than I've paid for most of my cars. It is worth buying from a dealership with good classes. You'll want the classes so you can learn the full range of techniques available to you. Otherwise you're buying a really expensive machine that you will barely know how to use. It is worth doing a serious evaluation of the digitizing software. It's how you tell the machine to do what it does. Many of the "stitches" and embroidery techniques aren't in the machine. The machine just moves a hoop around and drops the needle; the digitizing software defines the fill stitches, the satin stitches, everything. That all said, when I finally buy an embroidery machine, I'm getting a Husqvarna Designer SE. I've got a good local dealer I trust. Husqvarna has the most sophisticated software on the market right now. It's simply the most flexible home embroidery machine on the market. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 9 22:15:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAA3FjpD010235 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:15:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAA3FVDB029332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAA3Erfr049558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAA3Em0C044153; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:14:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAA3Ejr9043998 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:14:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bleucher@earthlink.net) Received: from [24.145.135.5] (helo=gold.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1Iqgnv-0005bl-TN for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:14:40 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:15:18 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Frau Anna Bleucher Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery sewing machine In-Reply-To: <677268.70939.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <677268.70939.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1C8F289E Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: f624f35fe26fb6dbfe687ec8711461339ef193a6bfc3dd48db3d5c0eba12a67607b3b20316c3c3173788860f0b40a802350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.135.5 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f01b5fec-a370-4405-b8b5-58146efafc8e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47352253.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:15:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I think the first question is what do you want to embroider? Then you need to evaluate your budget. As a professional embroiderer, I can make suggestions, but each machine has different capabilities and without knowing what you're planning to do and having a general idea of budget it's hard to recommend any one particular machine. Connie At 03:34 AM 11/9/2007, you wrote: >Greetings all, > I have a question for everyone. I have been wanting a machine > that does embroidery for yearsss. It now seems that this will > become a reality. After looking at soooo many I'm confused (not > that it takes much to do that) and can't make up my mind. My > question is this in your opinion which one do you "feel" is best > and why you feel this way? You can either answer on the list or to > me privately. txldyjuliana@yahoo.com > > Thank you for your time, > Dianna > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 11 00:17:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAB5Hec6020084 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:17:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAB5HPin027388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:17:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAB5GdQN021905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAB5GX70047031; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAB5GUp0046952 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=rg2Wi0k6QZaPnzzvjrT7J6rFV23vVAqfqHQcD2au6Kkb6XMrmO8A51C9312mo7zc; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ir5BJ-0001ln-Ay for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:16:25 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20071110080337.0378a760@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:07:29 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200711091900.lA9J0Fqn060934@net.indra.com> References: <200711091900.lA9J0Fqn060934@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53cd9d7aa2e6231870f54157cf4c9a73305a8c59047406a7d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery machine (cahuff) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14e11193-6e29-43cb-aada-6bc25499db29 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47369066.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:17:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have the Husqvarna Designer 1. I personally think the Husqvarna's are the best out there. Sandy uses a Janome 11000. It is also excellent. I would recommend actually trying a few of them, and take your own fabrics to test with, samples of the things you typically sew. We use such different fabrics than the general population that even if the store has anything other than the stiff cardboardy test fabric, it won't be anything like our costume fabrics. Sometimes the actual features are pretty equivalent; but the feel and process differs. If often comes down to the personal feel you have for the machine. Keep in mind the embroidery software you will need if you intend to do anything other than pre-canned designs. You want one that you understand and can use fairly easily. Pierre "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 11 02:24:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAB7OWqC023482 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:24:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAB7OHhZ002564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAB7Nekd033016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAB7NbeJ024822; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAB7NXOV024749 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:23:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E344700048 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:18:35 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:18:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200711110218.34745.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 753e0373-5a61-42d0-a170-a9798ab59596 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4736AE21.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:24:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [Robin Netherton] wrote: > I=E2=80=99m gathering information for the planning stages of a new projec= t, and I=E2=80=99d > love to get input from the people on this list. > > If you could consult a reference book that was an encyclopedia of clothing > and textiles in the British Isles (including Ireland) in the Middle Ages > (defined as Anglo-Saxon period through 1450), what entries would you expe= ct > to find in it? Here's some that occur to me, focused as I am on the early part of the peri= od=20 you cite: peplos diamond twill lozenge twill broken lozenge twill use of beads in costume use of embroidery in costume veils warp-weighted loom horizontal loom=20 linen linen production dyes madder nalbinding (the "Coppergate sock" could be an entry as well) =2D-=20 Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain =2D------------------------------------------------------ =2D-=20 Cathy Raymond "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 11 14:16:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lABJGio4026207 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:16:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lABJGTOw027545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:16:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lABJFqZn045120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:15:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lABJFmsR032588; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lABJFj9t032521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [69.72.30.136] (core-dc-5-136.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.30.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id lABJFacg029710; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:15:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <871A5404-85D8-470E-9F31-6F43009CB6EC@patriot.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carol Kocian Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:15:35 -0500 To: 18cWoman@yahoogroups.com, historicKnit@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of fleece... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c16ef16-4d39-4e96-a43f-bf86029c6dbc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4737550D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:16:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO This is an odd thing, but hopefully useful to someone. There is free fleece available in Northern Virginia (DC area). I think it may be angora goat. Someone raises them and has been shearing and collecting the fleeces, but not doing anything with them. This is info I'm getting from my (non-fiber-oriented) boss, so it's slightly vague. If anyone is in the area and wants to go check it out and see if the fleece is useable, send me a private note. Also it's ok to forward this to any people or lists that might have DC/Virginia area people interested in the fiber. Thanks! -Carol Kocian aquazoo@patriot.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 11 15:10:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lABKAS3e028238 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:10:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lABKADYe025507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lABK9fW7051135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:09:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lABK9dvs078065; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lABIjnor007809 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:45:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so890268pyi for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=T00kNnHtntXSyrD/hhPOq4w+p1sgleEk+lntU0kesb8=; b=R1m5+djeWM7YWdhZLS1agwcwDo8tsQ9gXbvb2eip4avxEyXPF6AMtFgkk45nwCYkFojdtmIPLQRANBSsjU+9A7k2w+E5nb0v3ELUUNzc6rPpKgOS7EFlbydYfOHRYGvUVB8r2Q4EnMw7BCndkHJ3kQ49yVpMHvtC5RxCL2V1wdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IGNGTVV4uc0SxawyCuR1b1RWV/t86iWXXU+MbbtIswcBIRhA3DhtQ1bcL2JX6We3VMYcJkbdKuYhnmtva/WPwlGX9XGyfQjN2/1mUlt+4FcyPeNvAuKGsORHgwcgDp/vK14vDG2AupZ9R93qdGbnOuDAEv8egdQ6EI9uc909PiM= Received: by 10.35.121.12 with SMTP id y12mr5056705pym.1194806749310; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.70.5 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590711111045t5a6d84f8yf10e8050a60593f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:45:49 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: embroidery machine (cahuff) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20071110080337.0378a760@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200711091900.lA9J0Fqn060934@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20071110080337.0378a760@pop.radiks.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 41e1d4f6-4c85-48b5-a1c0-92a46a78acf2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 473761A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:10:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > I would recommend actually trying a few of them, and take your own > fabrics to test with, samples of the things you typically sew. We > use such different fabrics than the general population that even if > the store has anything other than the stiff cardboardy test fabric, > it won't be anything like our costume fabrics. Sometimes the actual > features are pretty equivalent; but the feel and process differs. If > often comes down to the personal feel you have for the machine. > Oh, something else that you want to look at, the threading of machine and bobbins. I do remember my mom being very frustrated with the serger she had first gotten because you practically had to stand on your head to thread it. alex -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 13 09:14:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADEEwcF012013 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:14:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lADEEhCY022020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lADEE4kh067657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADEBeLU033173; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADEBaGY032957 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:11:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W31 ([65.55.136.66]) by bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:11:30 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.149.215.92] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:11:30 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200711110218.34745.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200711110218.34745.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2007 14:11:30.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[16C29C00:01C825FF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ffe9869-fef9-4ec9-9f6a-b8b2aca4f340 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4739B153.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:14:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Cathy wrote, in response to my request earlier: > Here's some that occur to me, focused as I am on the early > part of the period you cite: > > peplos > diamond twill > lozenge twill > broken lozenge twill > use of beads in costume > use of embroidery in costume > veils > warp-weighted loom > horizontal loom > linen > linen production > dyes > madder > nalbinding (the "Coppergate sock" could be an entry as well) This is exactly the sort of list I was hoping for! I think, though, from th= e responses that have been coming to me privately (and the absence of reply= on the list) I wasn't clear enough in my first post. So I'll try again, mo= re directly. I'm one of a team of editors working on a new, big, important project (yes,= there's already a publisher committed) to create an encyclopedia of dress = and textiles in Britain, 450-1450. Right now we're developing the master li= st of headwords that will define the entire arrangement of the encyclopedia= . And we know we won't think of everything ourselves. So I'm asking those of you who work in medieval clothing -- the potential u= sers of this reference book -- what you'd like to see in it. I need, specif= ically, terms that you might want to look up, like Cathy provided above. This might include anything from large overviews ("headwear") to articles o= n specific terms or garments ("wimple," "hood"); social and economic issues= ("sumptuary law," "guilds"); techniques ("gore," "couching"); important so= urces and artifacts ("Bayeux tapestry," "Black Prince=92s surcote"), or any= thing else related to dress and textiles or the study thereof -- as long as= it's connected to the British Isles (including Ireland), 450-1450. And as long as we=92re making a wish list, if there=92s a particular living= scholar you wish would be the author of an article -- the person you=92d c= onsider the world's expert on that topic =96- tell me that too. We already = have some of the field's top scholars involved, and we don't want to overlo= ok anyone. Replies to me are OK, to the list is better (partly because it might promot= e brainstorming, but also because some people have reported some erratic bo= uncing of my mail!). A bribe: To anyone who gives me a helpful response, I will send a discount = coupon for certain much-desired books in medieval dress and textile study f= rom my publisher. Please do not forward this message to other lists. You may forward to speci= fic individuals with interest in the topic if you send this entire message. Thanks again, Robin _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 13 10:46:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADFkEkY014947 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:46:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lADFjwRm027556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:46:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lADFjLqf087704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADFgcfU050993; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADFgPuY050722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1IrxoF-0006sO-9d for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:36:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:36:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200711110218.34745.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3db2139-b685-4e38-90a6-eec131c2eff6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4739C6B6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 13 15:37:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADKb3FI024513 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:37:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lADKaloT022775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:36:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lADKaEIF061012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:36:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADKa9m8062847; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:36:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lADKa5Pj062647 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49405] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id 88/C1-02870-34A0A374 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:34:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200711131900.lADJ0AuD039630@net.indra.com> References: <200711131900.lADJ0AuD039630@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:35:52 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa3001b3-b5cc-4ada-b8c8-ace182a75180 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473A0ADF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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And have it be an affordable book Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 13 19:58:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE0wn0D001932 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:58:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAE0wXbM025456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:58:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAE0wA9M000274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:58:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE0w9cX055630; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:58:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from twonetom19.sge.net (twonetom19.sge.net [152.91.2.19]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAE0w2tZ055470 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:58:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Annette.Wilson@environment.gov.au) Received: from twonetvs13.sge.net (twonetvs-om [152.91.2.17]) by twonetom19.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8C8AA0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:57:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from twonetvs13.sge.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDBF15015 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:59:06 +1100 (EST) Received: from iceberg.bar.gwy (iceberg.sge.net [152.91.9.131]) by twonetvs13.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E269D14FD8 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:59:05 +1100 (EST) Received: from mailgate.internal.govt (mailtest.deh.bar.gwy [10.24.32.10]) by iceberg.bar.gwy with ESMTP id lAE0vpF6018181 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:57:55 +1100 (EST) X-WSS-ID: 0JRH1DA-01-WCC-01 Received: from act01excfelb1a.internal.govt (act01excfelb1a.internal.govt [155.187.66.20]) by mailgate.internal.govt (Tumbleweed MailGate) with ESMTP id CB49E1402884F for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:58:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from act02mf01.internal.govt ([155.187.12.21]) by act01excfelb1a.internal.govt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:57:50 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 x-classification-classification: 1 - UNCLASSIFIED x-classification-fullclassification: UNCLASSIFIED/#/# x-titus-version: 2.60.0.29 x-protective-marking: VER=2005.6, NS=gov.au, SEC=UNCLASSIFIED, ORIGIN=Annette.Wilson@environment.gov.au Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:57:50 +1100 Message-ID: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CFA4B1F8@act02mf01.internal.govt> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Thread-Index: AcgmKIBTuKTwLl07SVeb9D2oyZxWzwAINbGA From: "Wilson, Annette" To: h-costume@indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 00:57:50.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[61636D70:01C82659] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ebbf8f6-6112-47a8-8d21-5d626b7ebd37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 473A4839.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:58:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Robin, here is my few cents worth: gloves shoes underclothing=20 hose cotehardie :-) tailoring construction sewing/seam and hem treatments oil cloth =66elt cotton hemp canvas (tent materials etc) painting on textiles starch (if it was used before 1450) prevention of insect attack (moth damage to silk and wool, possibly also treatment of furs and bedding against fleas) domestic textiles (napery, bed hangings, bedsheets, blankets, curtains...) cushions storage (of clothing and domestic textiles) cleaning cloth armour (eg multi-layer linen jacks) the rag trade and paper production I'm sure I can think of more :-) Annette Wilson ____________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:11:30 -0600 =46rom: Robin Netherton Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Cathy wrote, in response to my request earlier: > Here's some that occur to me, focused as I am on the early part of the > period you cite: > > peplos > diamond twill > lozenge twill > broken lozenge twill > use of beads in costume > use of embroidery in costume > veils > warp-weighted loom > horizontal loom > linen > linen production > dyes > madder > nalbinding (the "Coppergate sock" could be an entry as well) This is exactly the sort of list I was hoping for! I think, though, from the responses that have been coming to me privately (and the absence of reply on the list) I wasn't clear enough in my first post. So I'll try again, more directly. I'm one of a team of editors working on a new, big, important project (yes, there's already a publisher committed) to create an encyclopedia of dress and textiles in Britain, 450-1450. Right now we're developing the master list of headwords that will define the entire arrangement of the encyclopedia. And we know we won't think of everything ourselves. So I'm asking those of you who work in medieval clothing -- the potential users of this reference book -- what you'd like to see in it. I need, specifically, terms that you might want to look up, like Cathy provided above. This might include anything from large overviews ("headwear") to articles on specific terms or garments ("wimple," "hood"); social and economic issues ("sumptuary law," "guilds"); techniques ("gore," "couching"); important sources and artifacts ("Bayeux tapestry," "Black Prince's surcote"), or anything else related to dress and textiles or the study thereof -- as long as it's connected to the British Isles (including Ireland), 450-1450. And as long as we're making a wish list, if there's a particular living scholar you wish would be the author of an article -- the person you'd consider the world's expert on that topic -- tell me that too. We already have some of the field's top scholars involved, and we don't want to overlook anyone. Replies to me are OK, to the list is better (partly because it might promote brainstorming, but also because some people have reported some erratic bouncing of my mail!). A bribe: To anyone who gives me a helpful response, I will send a discount coupon for certain much-desired books in medieval dress and textile study from my publisher. Please do not forward this message to other lists. You may forward to specific individuals with interest in the topic if you send this entire message. Thanks again, Robin ------If you have received this transmission in error please notify us = immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f98c5ac-df3b-4200-9bf6-e88df0acefa4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473A483C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:58:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Would anyone be interested in seeing the "uniform dress" of a "Suisse" of the Roman Catholic Church? It dates from the 1870's. After nearly 40 years in storage of one kind or another, almost forotten, - my wife and her sister have just prepared it for permananent exhibition at the newly-renovated and re-dedicated "Gothic Revival" St. Thomas' Church, St. Helier, "old" Jersey. I have just restored the Spontoon; and am starting to make a replica Mace - which were part of his equipment. If so, I have 2 good pictures [one monchrome from the 1960's and one colour from 2007] that I can post to the List's photo files. [So long as someone tells me what sizes of images those photo files will accept!] Julian Wilson Mary wrote: swaddling clothing for infants and toddlers underwear aprons breast support maternity clothing wills - clothing handed down through generations second hand clothing Are these too earthy? Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 13 19:59:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE0xehs001964 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:59:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAE0xP5H022626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:59:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAE0wvpj000452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE0wu0x056374; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:58:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lADLnvGR060289 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 17280 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2007 21:49:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Qk4RLXdQJPSqevz2y5oB89zImwG+xtf/EKNajTysR79jBfI2COhBbJYuwK0phIkTcxDPlNzoU7qz5Dod12tuir9/cbBD49FkGsY5Xx9aG+XBoww9IhTH4v6mR40W/vHnvI06baHJ5ZGhNQGSET1cEBSazAoby1hpssL+SnfUL4c=; X-YMail-OSG: 4GNwEeoVM1kL1_VSVtHgE2ildtYV8d5NKTB9chE7Rpa4J_qERwwBfciMZrNn9UjaWFsIr0YKkw-- Received: from [87.244.93.28] by web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:49:51 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:49:51 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <200019.16492.qm@web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3356257e-6430-46f7-b882-95ee5d91095c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473A486D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Julian Wilson, in "old" Jersey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 13 20:31:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE1VE3c002907 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:31:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAE1Uxde020374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:31:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAE1USe4003418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE1URB5080845; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAE1UMKa080700 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:30:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67605 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2007 01:30:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iVvT95rUKGY07FlI85PBievUVtNNu7V1piY/dUjvQs2P2s4p5IWUD/nwzbcV4QtBFLlG77VL3uUj3nrRqXiyg1PfxIJ8mg/oekdU3VT+9GJDXsK9/Qq3U4Ctp+FYltCkae9KNgtLLDtxNlyWPRTfs38IlRCoPX4bH6kT3xid+S4=; X-YMail-OSG: cpsqQDIVM1k3O9vHjbS302w1oNS3b0hFrdMpi_lYa0sWgRoT2D9z4sW3lqu2JGHfx9y8IiZRU5ebDB5_IOnoDZBljAYSAf8SRG2mMEDdCIZnqvMoF44FVev09YOscw-- Received: from [69.182.208.174] by web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:30:17 PST Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <419730.65455.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd98d5e6-41b8-4be6-85e1-712fbde74b2d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 473A4FD3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 13 21:48:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE2miV2004734 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:48:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAE2mSch013658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAE2lrTZ009664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE2lmRu039451; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.149]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE2ljRq039386 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W38 ([65.55.136.73]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:47:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.149.215.92] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:47:40 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200019.16492.qm@web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <200019.16492.qm@web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 02:47:40.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[B96EA6B0:01C82668] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68efe0b7-88e6-41d6-9efb-fc70d1b0a39c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473A61FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:48:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > A well-researched and well-illustrated book [or 2, or 3] about > English middle-class and upper-class Dress in England during the > Reign of Henry 7th. >=20 > Almost every book I've been able to look at purporting to deal > with "Tudor Dress or Costume" slides over the Reign of Henry > 7th (1485-1509) as though he never existed; - and begins in > 1509 with the Accession of Henry 8th!. I agree with you on that one. And there are very few scholars doing work in= that period right now, I've noticed. However, I think you (and a few other people) may have read only my subject= line and not my message, in which I indicated I'm collecting headwords for= entries (not book topics) for an encyclopedia covering Britain from 450-14= 50. Sorry I wasn't clearer. Many many thanks to those of you who are sending me ideas for headwords, bo= th on- and off-list. I've collected quite a few that we hadn't yet consider= ed, and I expect we will be using many of them. Keep 'em coming! --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 00:01:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE51Fv1008505 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:01:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAE510n7020593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:01:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAE50P02020725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:00:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE50LhP035567; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:00:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE50HBM035518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1IsAMF-0004Fe-UB for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:00:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:00:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200019.16492.qm@web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7ac8e1d-f9c4-4bfd-b6d2-4e44a52e10f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 473A810C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:01:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Since I'm supposed to be writing a paper on globalization, naturally I work on coming up with more headwords: gardes-corps chapes ceinture girdles tapes bezants pins saya garters shoes slippers boots buskins sandals chopines coif hood mantle vair ermine miniver scarlet fustian cendal samite wadmal tippets chaplets buckram Roman jackets parti-colour purfell spangles rosaries paternosters Jen/Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 01:00:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE603MO010421 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:00:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAE5xmf4003270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:59:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAE5xH6T027009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:59:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE5xGfF079608; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:59:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23114.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23114.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAE5wVLb079148 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 32632 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2007 05:58:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=H91i9afn/79pRUpigrBDVvrnCO4cOTv43U2jlyrU3u+zU6gf+RYpGR6zzQRA3S9CJM7d9N3YbDUlPoVcUgMS4VKT7ooCtbgKBNPdCHZEnQr4EUFGz10T+F45DkEjTwmukO+3M6072ZhiP7/3KMBglMreW7SmxAhPx3+26My/g3U=; X-YMail-OSG: zdHvrC4VM1nuy7GKemBOtHIKUtVGCaUDIWqidxtHgyR7aexYVSuNKxAuIALjYSdno8qUfCEsDMh2bA1kaUADPaMlZ9YFigo.4jy0c2g3bgEy7pj6FhG5qRGNCmNi3.KdZHF9fUpxx4XTYPpYs4Mclc_S Received: from [87.244.93.28] by web23114.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:58:25 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:58:25 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <657742.31537.qm@web23114.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35ae2958-5728-4dd8-8c08-2f5ae7888f98 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473A8ED4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:59:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Robin, sorry to have confused your message header - I came into this thread late and didn't read the beginnings of it. However, I'm delighted to have contacted you. I've seen your name on the Lists to which i subscribe many, many times, and know the esteem in which you are held by others whose particular interest is historic costume. My own theory about the apparent lack of study of the Henry VII period for English clothing is that there doesn't seem to have BEEN an "English Fashion". By everything I've read, the general conclusion I've drawn from the works of others who've studied and researched far more deeply than I - is that - due to the social "uncertainty" arising from the power struggles of the WotR, England didn't have the peaceful conditions which would have allowed/encouraged the development of an "English Fasjion". By everything I've read, - from about 1450, until the Accession of Henry 8th, - English "fashions" were heavily influenced by those of the "most brilliant" Court" in Europe, that of Burgundy, ruled over for much of that time by Princess Margaret of York, from her Capital at Mechelin in Flanders. I won't try and drag you further into a discussion on this when you are concentrating on another topic, - but such a definitive book is still on my wish List. Regards, Julian Wilson, [in 2007] "Matthew Baker" [lifelong Liegeman to Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond, and then King of England, - in the SCA] Robin Netherton wrote: > A well-researched and well-illustrated book [or 2, or 3] about > English middle-class and upper-class Dress in England during the > Reign of Henry 7th. > > Almost every book I've been able to look at purporting to deal > with "Tudor Dress or Costume" slides over the Reign of Henry > 7th (1485-1509) as though he never existed; - and begins in > 1509 with the Accession of Henry 8th!. I agree with you on that one. And there are very few scholars doing work in that period right now, I've noticed. However, I think you (and a few other people) may have read only my subject line and not my message, in which I indicated I'm collecting headwords for entries (not book topics) for an encyclopedia covering Britain from 450-1450. Sorry I wasn't clearer. Many many thanks to those of you who are sending me ideas for headwords, both on- and off-list. I've collected quite a few that we hadn't yet considered, and I expect we will be using many of them. Keep 'em coming! --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 03:24:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE8OIlS009259 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:24:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAE8O2n0009682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:24:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAE8NSxl040531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:23:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE8NPxk094713; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE8NNp2094685 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so2972449pyi for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:23:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=qM+YRZT9hmLdjoNH5WbzAXZNTiS8lPGU8SE7Mk/BeuQ=; b=MYpV2EHm1bInEOmhmVXO6XtQrLbkPwiLszjn0JOTlVpjtCMIwtdMnUFEIdH5ixSWzecwmJtq4coCPUA5LR/wzergJvREmTgApDrEstS9ZA8nii6Sk1zd0cqUEDdd3pLXyjlhtF16yINtirxlVjAuPofBTZC5Nw+tP/LPCe/OhQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ojc0+XL7YL6FydKxbMSMTVCnuxosGb5hW5oDds6ObCopDUWljhcvjSkvmZhXtYSAiq5v9V6i4BRmmekRZ1R0kJaDobd2bHeDlKLOZlM4oD0X+YkYhQLQYiab7e9iHzCiQFz+ldxz/tkEDT4tgewDGGMvWsHYWNNlSQB8c47h6bw= Received: by 10.65.194.13 with SMTP id w13mr2338631qbp.1195028603313; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1664252nzn.2007.11.14.00.23.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:23:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <012c01c82697$d0f6c6d0$5200a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200019.16492.qm@web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:24:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3873c2fa-0180-429f-bf90-e32b71b03b99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 473AB0A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:24:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "julian wilson" << ... Almost every book I've been able to look at purporting to deal with "Tudor Dress or Costume" slides over the Reign of Henry 7th (1485-1509) as though he never existed; - and begins in 1509 with the Accession of Henry 8th! >> I second that, except I'd like to expand it to 1485-1530. Judging by most resources, the 16th century begins sometime in the mid 1530s or early 1540s. Although mind you, I'm far more interested in the Franco-Flemish stuff. With a nice sprinkling of Dutch. My wish-list submission--completely unsuited to the request made to the list--is for more English-language costume books devoted to non-English areas. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 04:16:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE9Gu07015469 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:16:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAE9GeQm025437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:16:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAE9GB6h045267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:16:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE9G7Lv035452; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAE9G3CH035323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from [122.49.137.219] (helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IsELk-000ENB-Sp for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:56 +1030 Message-ID: <001901c8269e$f68293a0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:56 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A crochet question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d97ada4-479b-4b8a-97de-1f4083a322f1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473ABCF8.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:16:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Not exactly a historical matter, but it's one of those 'if you guys = don't know I don't know who does' questions. I just acquired some lovely Italian yarn for a very very cheap price=20 probably because it is bright orange. Bright orange is not my colour, especially since I have in mind making something I might wear to work with it. I have no issues with dying it (it's cotton, so I'm not = expecting it to felt, just maybe shrink a bit).=20 So the question is, is it better to dye the yarn now (and how on earth = do you=20 go about drying 800m of dyed yarn if so) or crochet it and dye the = garment? Oh, and look I just thought of a historical question. I know crochet = dates from the 18th century (I have this idea in my head that it's less than a = coincidence that it shows up around the time tambour embroidery (also done with a hook) = was popular). And it was very popular for lace type work in Edwardian times. = But when did it start to be used for heavy or close garments in the same way as = knitting (eg for bedjackets, shawls etc)?=20 I have found a 50's era pattern for a New Look style dress crocheted out = of organza ribbon (so tempted to give that a go), so I know it was at least before = then. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 08:41:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDfFUa023859 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:41:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEDf0bC019195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:41:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEDeMsA072241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDdtoH063445; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.112]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDdqII063323 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:39:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from morvren@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.30]) by bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:39:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:39:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:39:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.211.172.121] X-Originating-Email: [morvren@hotmail.com] X-Sender: morvren@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001901c8269e$f68293a0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Maureen Campbell" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] A crochet question Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:39:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 13:39:46.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[D24CB5E0:01C826C3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 156a8adc-be2a-43ae-a0a1-01d1c369cb07 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473AFAEC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Yay, crochet!! :) ~ M. ================== ~ Twinkle, dammit! ~ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 08:42:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDgX95023930 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:42:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEDgHZG029559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:42:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEDf3gm072270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDf21O064478; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp6.america.net (qsmtp6.america.net [69.60.160.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDew5m064396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:41:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200711141341.lAEDew5m064396@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.211] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp6.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IsIU9-0002Vi-F8 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:40:53 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:38:00 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list In-Reply-To: References: <200710172144.l9HLi2gb026661@net.indra.com> <6EE9CF70-4607-406B-9CDF-669F925F047B@cybermesa.com> <473158DB.1060702@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e30c552a-d043-422f-beb9-823dee5c7d2a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 473AFB39.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:42:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 08:06 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote: >I'm gathering information for the planning stages of a new project, >and I'd love to get input from the people on this list. Has anyone mentioned color definitions? gore gusset hemming/edging techniques which dags are documented stitches used for seams shoulder seams... as the sleeve turns from seam on the back to seam under the arm. sleeve shapes/patterns collars...stand up, spread out, fold down? purpointe...how wide spread, which countries gloves armor that reflects clothes and vice versa history of the kilt types of kilt how to fold a great kilt I'm sure more will come up Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 08:59:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDxCM6024815 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:59:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEDwvoT006311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:59:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEDwRES074139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDwPLl082670; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEDwM4W082508 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:58:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:57:52 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id lAEDvqU55388 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:57:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 14 Nov 2007 07:57:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:57:49 -0600 References: <200711141341.lAEDfNDc064853@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:57:39 -0600 Message-ID: <473AAA72.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200711141341.lAEDfNDc064853@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0432e474-97dd-4d99-9f83-2ec3e0a87f4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 473AFF21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 09:05:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEE5ujC025242 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEE5eN6020417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:05:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEE5HOH074857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEE5GMY090022; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEE5DKg089904 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so228834waf for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:05:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=8zI3vO4b//cAkDrKU6U7dZsFjg3Dkvr06BLcDeHH9uw=; b=lIho4CyjbG7mUb0Dv8G44urVN+TUOGPWfhbCYaN13E1GLrxxEaBHflb8r/+lYi7l5us+hTSQKZ1mpBtW0DUaffCYHwOWPkuHGYwdCzY+2yV1IK4Hdl3RXbMCq+cPaPsc8xWHvkdoZp9UvFnXTEwSGOll1QAj/03/9M8QuLWyoXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=iItS7eQnbF88VRV8eFB2eKthpEozNwszx4KzHzl1WrcTVB35gykZ3wv2FCaYeChyL3FI2zBf0gOFU8oim/nEFTVQAumXe+2OOiSl69Ozra0C1e/vo8GOp4gQ26+r7+7zyC+NdMfLTm9p57RSQQf4kyHpJQpA60tFe/RC1hsGNvo= Received: by 10.114.26.1 with SMTP id 1mr742702waz.1195049110225; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.160.1 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:05:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:05:10 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Henry 7 Fashion Trends X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b79a8da0-7ef3-4c5a-8656-78f3f81ae147 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473B00B4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:05:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hey Julian, I'm right there with you! My SCA persona, Meleri ferch Iasper ap Dafydd, is a follower of the beloved and darn-near sainted Earl of Pembroke, the Earl of Richmond's uncle and protector... :) I would love to see a good study of this period too! I'm sure the Burgundian influences remained because of the Yorkist duchess, but we must not discount the influence of Brittany (itself alas probably heavily influenced by Burgundy), owing to the Exilic Years of Henry and Earl Jasper. From the few pics we have of Henry and his queen, we do know the "standard silhouettes" were in operation: the skirted doublet and over-robe (chamarre, I think?), and that French-style round cap with the laced sides for the guys, and the kirtle along Burgundian lines but with a more lowered waist and less bulky skirt for the ladies, with the long, slim sleeves and the long-sided English gable hood... but there had to be more to it all than that! I know the excesses of Henry 8's reign and following, where the kid blew the budget Dad had left him, have taken most of the attention--and I'm good with that because I love the classic 1520s and 30s looks. But somewhere between the garb of the waning Yorkist rulers and the flash of Henry 8 there has to have been SOMEthing!! :) Any Lancastrians who wanna chat, drop me a note any time... :) My thesis is on Jasper Tudor so I'm a bit... focused. :) Cheers, Meli ----------Julian scripsit: Robin, sorry to have confused your message header - I came into this thread late and didn't read the beginnings of it. However, I'm delighted to have contacted you. I've seen your name on the Lists to which i subscribe many, many times, and know the esteem in which you are held by others whose particular interest is historic costume. My own theory about the apparent lack of study of the Henry VII period for English clothing is that there doesn't seem to have BEEN an "English Fashion". By everything I've read, the general conclusion I've drawn from the works of others who've studied and researched far more deeply than I - is that - due to the social "uncertainty" arising from the power struggles of the WotR, England didn't have the peaceful conditions which would have allowed/encouraged the development of an "English Fasjion". By everything I've read, - from about 1450, until the Accession of Henry 8th, - English "fashions" were heavily influenced by those of the "most brilliant" Court" in Europe, that of Burgundy, ruled over for much of that time by Princess Margaret of York, from her Capital at Mechelin in Flanders. I won't try and drag you further into a discussion on this when you are concentrating on another topic, - but such a definitive book is still on my wish List. Regards, Julian Wilson, [in 2007] "Matthew Baker" [lifelong Liegeman to Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond, and then King of England, - in the SCA] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 09:12:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEECnPe025680 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:12:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEECX1x009139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:12:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEEC8uc076065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEEC7Sw098420; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEEC4W8098247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.74.52.198] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IsIyE-00064B-53 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:11:58 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071114141114.034885c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:12:14 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 361ec7e9-3969-4a0f-8b0d-2f3851d69f96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 473B0251.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:12:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 00:01 04/11/2007, you wrote: >I put this on the Renaissance Tailor site, but it might be of use to someone >here as well: > >Subject: RE: [TheRenTailor] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" > >I got mine early because I used bribery and corruption. The publication >party for the book was to have been 1 October in England. Which is why the >books are only shipping in time for Christmas. It is available in the US >for $98 for the slipcased Paperback edition (as large as the clothbound >version in that it is larger than 8 x 10") from >http://www.oxbowbooks.com/results.cfm/q/Dress%20in%20the%20Court%20of%20Henr >y%20VIII/qt/All/ST/QS/StartRow/1 (David Brown Book company the US >distributor Look for Oxbow books and click on the $) > >Another nifty is Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society (also a Manley >publishing item). It is a Quarterly Journal of the Costume Society This is an Annual Journal, not a quarterly one - I have very nearly a complete run, and thankfully, there is only one per year! Suzi >www.costumesociety.org.uk . You can subscribe, or buy individual articles. >I got involved because one of the articles in Costume Volume 41 (the present >one) had the Janet Arnold work on the Effigy Corset. I'm not a penny >pinching young student, but an employed and old student working on my MA as >an Independent Scholar with my local university. This is why I paid the >Student rate when I subscribed. The individual article is for sale on-line >for $25. > >The writers frequently have access to items that I didn't even know about. >The color chart is something I've been needing for years (and is pronounced >by one of my professor friends as a very good rendition.) > >If you can't afford it, you can't. That means you know what to ask your >Liberian for. Old issues are available as are individual articles. > >As you can see from the Table of Contents below, the Journal ranges over a >wide range of periods and places. > >Wanda > >Included in No. 41 are: > > The pair of straight bodies' and a pair of drawers' dating from 1603 which >Clothe the Effigy of Queen Elizabeth I in Westminster Abbey by Janet Arnold > >'To Cap it All': The Waterford Cap of Maintenance (Henry VIII timeframe) by >Cliodna Devit > >'Rainbow for a Reign: The Colours of a Queen's Wardrobe (Queen Elizabeth, >with a color chart to give you an idea of what the name actually means - >such as 'maiden's blush' etc. > >"The Merchant Taylors' Company of London under Elizabeth I: Tailors' Guild >or Company of Merchants": By Nigel Sleigh-Johnson > >"A Fashionable Confinement: Whaleboned Stays and the Pregnant Woman" by >Harriet Waterhouse (not Elizabethan) > >'Over what crinoline should these charming jupons be worn?' Thompson's >Survival Strategy During the Decline of the Crinoline by Lucy-Clare Windle > >"The Dress Must be White and Perfectly Plain and Simple: Confirmation and >First Confirmation Dress, 1850-2000 by Anthea Jarvis > >The Wearing of the Red: The Redcoat and the British Brand" by Nigel Arch > >"A clinging Liberty tea-gown instead of a magenta satin': The Colour Red in >Artistic Dress by Liberty & Co.' by Anna Buruma > >"Modern Fashions for Modern Women: The Evolution of New York Sportswear in >the 1930s" by Rebecca Arnold > >"Chained Melody or Putting Paco Rabanne in his Place" by Rosemary Harden >(my personal opinion is that his place is probably face down with a steak >through his heart - Wanda) > >New Books and Articles by James Snowden and Naomi E.A. Tarrant > > >Selective List >Book Reviews >Exhibitions >Study Day > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rikke D. Giles > > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:23 PM > > To: TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [TheRenTailor] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" > > > > > > On 11/03/2007 12:47:05 PM, Wanda Pease wrote: > > > Got mine two weeks ago. The American Distributor is David Brown > > > Books and the cost for the Paper back (comes in a Sleeve) is $96. T > > > > Bleh, I ordered mine last July and still haven't gotten it! Lucky > > you :) I think I will have to contact David Brown. > > > > Aelianora > > > > > > This egroup is based on the website http://www.vertetsable.com - > > more commonly known as The Renaissance Tailor; Recreating 16th > > and 17th Century Clothing. > > Yahoo! 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How are the kittens? regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 11:35:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEGZddC003243 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:35:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEGZIbJ024187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:35:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEGYgKG097855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:34:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEGYbRk083533; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:34:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imp8.kp.org (imp8.kp.org [162.119.242.129]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEGYX9p083424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id lAEGVURg023150 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:34:32 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:34:16 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200711141341.lAEDfNDd064853@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-Id: From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:33:46 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/14/2007 08:35:30 AM, Serialize complete at 11/14/2007 08:35:30 AM X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2007-11-14 - 08:34:32 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Henry VII Fashion (was: Dress topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f3347ff-481b-466e-9e44-c7faae372303 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473B23C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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This book is neither entirely English, nor entirely about fashion (although there is a chapter on it); I've found _Women of Distinction: Margaret of York And Margaret of Austria_ edited by Yvonne Bleyerveld to be a wonderful resource for the time period you mention, as well as fascinating reading. -sunny NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 12:29:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEHTKGV007370 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:29:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEHT4M9001408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:29:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEHSWnB009091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEHSNI2064018; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:28:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEHSHmT063725 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W6 ([65.55.136.41]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:28:11 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.149.215.92] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:28:10 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <473AAA72.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> References: <200711141341.lAEDfNDc064853@net.indra.com> <473AAA72.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 17:28:11.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAED3A80:01C826E3] X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 723fdfd5-56d5-47aa-9e6c-3d87f8000f7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473B3061.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:29:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Don't forget the little stuff:> > Needle> pin> thimble> > Are you sure th= is is going to all fit into one book :)? With multiple thousands of entries ... OK, it will be a big book. I am one = of a team of editors conscripted to help sort it all out. =20 Many terms (e.g. garment names) will have very short "definition"-type entr= ies. The items above, though, might end up covered in a larger article on "= sewing tools." Either way, we have to create a home for the concept, which = is why these lists you folks are giving me are so useful. We are building o= ur outline, and I'm taking the terms people give me and seeing whether they= represent categories we've covered (or not). There have been quite a few n= ew ideas coming in! =20 That said, let me note I'm having to cut out all the terms and sources that= are not English or connected to Britain. So, yes to the Luttrell Psalter, = no to the Book of Chess. And while of course we'll have articles touching o= n foreign influence, we won't be needing to describe the "saya," for instan= ce. =20 I'll be assembling my contribution to the master list in about a week or so= , so keep 'em coming -- concepts as well as terms. Don't forget your ideal = authors if you there's a scholar you associate with some field.=20 =20 You folks are wonderful! =20 --Robin =20 =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!=A0 Play Star Shuffle:=A0 the word scramble = challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=3Dstarshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc= t= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 12:53:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEHrtu9008583 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:53:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEHrdO8004352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEHqoJp013638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEHqVHD099943; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEHqNoq099713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:52:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.137] (dial-209-148-101-137.sonic.net [209.148.101.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lAEHqHMR027968 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:52:20 -0800 Message-ID: <473B35D2.9080504@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:52:18 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A crochet question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b904b94-9d77-440f-8e88-107feeca4ac3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473B3623.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:53:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Procion is not a literally cold-water dye; you need to use pretty warm water for best results. The dyeing process almost always shrinks the fibers, sometimes quite a lot. Also, the earlier in the process you dye the fibers, the more thoroughly the dye penetrates. Dyed in the fleece is better than dyed in the spun yarn, dyed in the yarn is better than dyed in the woven material, and dyed in the material is better than dyed in the made-up garment. Hence the old saying, "Dyed in the wool." Ever buy a dyed-after-sewing garment, unpick the hem to take it up, and discover that it is pale, or even still white, on the inside of the old hem? And when I have dyed crocheted articles, the dye visibly penetrates better into the upper surface, than further down into the intertwinings of the yarn. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Maureen Campbell wrote: > If you're going to use a cold-water dye, like > Procion, I don't think it makes a difference. > Anything involving hot water, though, will > shrink cotton, so in that case, the yarn should > be dyed first, then crocheted. > > Yay, crochet!! :) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 13:10:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIA0E6009454 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:10:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEI9fk3030773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:09:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEI96B1016711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEI91qi024883; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:09:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEI8uv5024614 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cac.1f2af959 (41812) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:08:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:08:39 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A crochet question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17edd25c-021f-4aa5-a647-4e26559cbbd3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473B39E5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:09:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 11/14/2007 12:54:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: "Dyed in the wool." ****************** I thought this referred to the 18th century practice of mixing wool with other fibers, like linen or cotton, for coats and such. The wool offered warmth but the other fibers made the cloth not so expensive. Anyway, when dyed,, say blue, the wool would soak up the dye and the linen not so much so you ended up with something that kinda looks like what we today call "kettle cloth". The fabric was "dyed in the wool". But of course referring to dying the fleece makes much sense...with less of a story. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 13:19:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIJLHG010040 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:19:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEIJ5R5005390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:19:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEIIg7t018419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:18:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIIaXO038902; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAEIIWGI038674 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:18:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 10005 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2007 18:18:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FGO6jF4yDmmUQ4XVEfhlpG7AW/JXiFOqi0u2VZ2MzpZre2Bzyvihms21ICCTqlEz7dxrEF+6plfdtxv7jNPzbdurHXXwAHsdDklxsjNA8WbrrAru0JpbQ60uG+I4L7ifOATBNcx66N3wEFYeXoUVfod1Ad1bNPClzOjkhmgj5ng=; X-YMail-OSG: gWFJ2NQVM1kE9TKRXa2tBr3DZmEevBnmlaILmsS.w2wsz5VVqA5bqkkx7iu4AaMerxrdZj3j7JD7NvzTw2GJDgQamRbDnfWePPhMdkjwcsbQIy5hFWM- Received: from [68.252.48.115] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:18:24 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] A crochet question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <473B35D2.9080504@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <301308.9170.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: daef6376-5ff5-4417-bb42-04d4d8155d15 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473B3C19.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:19:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Back in the days when I had lots of time to experiment with natural dyes on the yarn I had time to spin (Oh for the days of no kids!!) my hubby made me a set of stretchers to keep the shrinkage to a minimum. Basically, it is no more than a couple pieces of 2x4 with dowels plugged in. Before the dye bath, I would wind the yarn across the bars in a single layer with fairly firm tension. Leave on the bars until you are done immersing in the dye bath and rinse water. Dry on the bars. By keeping it under a fair amount of tension it didn't have as much opportunity to contract. The nice part is that you can construct them to fit down in whatever size tub you have for your dye bath. We were lucky to have come across some fairly deep metal pans being discarded from the VA Hospital kitchen. Worked like a charm. Good luck. --- Lavolta Press wrote: > Procion is not a literally cold-water dye; you need > to use pretty warm > water for best results. > > The dyeing process almost always shrinks the fibers, > sometimes quite a > lot. Also, the earlier in the process you dye the > fibers, the more > thoroughly the dye penetrates. Dyed in the fleece is > better than dyed in > the spun yarn, dyed in the yarn is better than dyed > in the woven > material, and dyed in the material is better than > dyed in the made-up > garment. Hence the old saying, "Dyed in the wool." > > Ever buy a dyed-after-sewing garment, unpick the hem > to take it up, and > discover that it is pale, or even still white, on > the inside of the old > hem? And when I have dyed crocheted articles, the > dye visibly penetrates > better into the upper surface, than further down > into the intertwinings > of the yarn. > > Fran > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Maureen Campbell wrote: > > > If you're going to use a cold-water dye, like > > Procion, I don't think it makes a difference. > > Anything involving hot water, though, will > > shrink cotton, so in that case, the yarn should > > be dyed first, then crocheted. > > > > Yay, crochet!! :) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 13:27:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIRwaN010439 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:27:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEIRgNf028862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:27:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEIRBmd019842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:27:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIQfMK051038; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIQUHC050709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.137] (dial-209-148-101-137.sonic.net [209.148.101.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lAEIQSnv016353 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:26:29 -0800 Message-ID: <473B3DD4.5070908@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:26:28 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A crochet question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a30e872a-c23c-483b-b6cc-74d535491372 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473B3E1E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:27:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sorry, I didn't read your message all that carefully. Yes: wool and silk both absorb dye better than cotton or linen, and cotton absorbs it better than linen. But if you dye a material woven from mixed fibers, you are not dyeing "in the wool," but in the material. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > I thought this referred to the 18th century practice of mixing wool with > other fibers, like linen or cotton, for coats and such. The wool offered warmth > but the other fibers made the cloth not so expensive. Anyway, when dyed,, say > blue, the wool would soak up the dye and the linen not so much so you ended > up with something that kinda looks like what we today call "kettle cloth". > The fabric was "dyed in the wool". > > But of course referring to dying the fleece makes much sense...with less of > a story. > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 13:52:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIqvZ2011484 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:52:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEIqblc004195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:52:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEIq28V024636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIq0lv088538; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAEIpr7c088288 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 28374 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2007 18:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:51:46 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: welcome back Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:51:43 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c826ef$66d7ff50$2f0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <473B1491.1020608@c17th.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal thread-index: Acgm02e2UCEbs3e9SKS/wwsb8nG6NwAG2k0g X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 031632f7-4e3e-4bea-a0e7-5b3a127444db X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473B43F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:52:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks! Am hard at work on more b/w for Christmas presents, then on = to some new body linens - have been planning FOREVER to do the camicia from Raphael's "La Muta". And then I'll need the gown to go with it... Alas, only one kitten remains - apparently they had been exposed to = "cat parvo" before we found them. Last one is a holy terror now. Happy stitching! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Joy Shillaker Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:30 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: welcome back Hi Liadain, your blackwork is absolutely gorgeous! How are the kittens? regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 14:04:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEJ4FRC011944 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEJ3sN7022263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEJ3WH0026490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:03:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEJ3Inf004729; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:03:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEJ3A0T004500 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:03:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071114190307.GITY1359.fep52.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:03:07 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.145]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071114190307.BCPW23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:03:07 +0100 Message-ID: <20071114190307.BCPW23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071114185340.FROT21070.fep24.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: welcome back Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:03:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.145] at Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:03:06 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000601c826f0$fd292dc0$91e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b20149a-a64a-4980-b248-9aa5fb5246e6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473B469A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I must second that your blackwork is magnificent! What a lot of work, and so beautifull!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: welcome back Thanks! Am hard at work on more b/w for Christmas presents, then on to some new body linens - have been planning FOREVER to do the camicia from Raphael's "La Muta". And then I'll need the gown to go with it... Alas, only one kitten remains - apparently they had been exposed to "cat parvo" before we found them. Last one is a holy terror now. Happy stitching! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joy Shillaker Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:30 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: welcome back Hi Liadain, your blackwork is absolutely gorgeous! How are the kittens? regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 16:05:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEL5bEC018377 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:05:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEL5LVB011067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:05:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEL4mc6049072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEL4a2c086315; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAEL4Q0d085888 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 6613 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2007 21:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:17 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: welcome back Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c82701$e98fdff0$2b0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <20071114190307.BCPW23033.fep44.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Thread-Index: Acgm8VSyFknfadcFQlWNuaOzkOz/1gAEEfgg Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2da3e899-5af1-4f95-99a2-6aa66881aea2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 473B6311.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:05:25 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks! Next on my list of "things to learn" is to get better at = various needle- laces, to trim my smocks and shirts up in high style... And someday to do beautiful silk work like yours! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: welcome back I must second that your blackwork is magnificent! What a lot of work, and so beautifull!! Bjarne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: welcome back Thanks! Am hard at work on more b/w for Christmas presents, then on = to some new body linens - have been planning FOREVER to do the camicia from Raphael's "La Muta". And then I'll need the gown to go with it... Alas, only one kitten remains - apparently they had been exposed to = "cat parvo" before we found them. Last one is a holy terror now. Happy stitching! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Joy Shillaker Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:30 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: welcome back Hi Liadain, your blackwork is absolutely gorgeous! How are the kittens? regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 16:08:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEL8SbW018540 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:08:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAEL8DSS026059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:08:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAEL7wOG049937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEL7s9v091627; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEL7edj091116 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wishlist Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wishlist Thread-Index: Acgme2lo6AmNyzquSzyTV/idDegekAAhpVHA From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e720e0c3-2878-4d51-84cf-5588a5431cf9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473B63BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:08:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO My suggestion isn't so much the headwords as something to include alongside the headwords-- their counterparts in other languages. For example, it's braies in French, but breeches in English, Bruche in German, and what about Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, etc.? Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862=3D0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 16:52:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAELq6uF020671 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:52:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAELpowj014927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:51:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAELpKxr057369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:51:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAELpG4n053998; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:51:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAELpCup053757 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W17 ([65.55.136.52]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:51:07 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.149.215.92] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wishlist Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:51:07 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 21:51:07.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[760F1260:01C82708] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69ff46d5-a7ec-4ebe-80b7-bc9465b1149f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 473B6DF6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:51:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > My suggestion isn't so much the headwords as something to include> alongs= ide the headwords-- their counterparts in other languages. For> example, it= 's braies in French, but breeches in English, Bruche in> German, and what a= bout Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, etc.? It would be beyond the scope of the encyclopedia to try to address this com= prehensively in all cases, but given that the English used terms from other= languages (particularly French) to describe various fashions, there's goin= g to be some non-English terminology creeping in. It will be up to the auth= ors of the individual articles to consider whether and how to address this = in each case ... but it's a point I'll make sure is raised early on. Thanks= for mentioning it. =20 --Robin _________________________________________________________________ Boo!=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare= ! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=3Dwl_hotma= ilnews= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 21:39:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF2dVNN031272 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:39:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAF2d9SC006281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:39:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAF2cRHE028603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF2cMIK086313; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEINMcS045716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.137] (dial-209-148-101-137.sonic.net [209.148.101.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lAEINIR2002174 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:23:19 -0800 Message-ID: <473B3D16.7010508@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:23:18 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A crochet question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 05ebaeab-4279-4e1b-acaf-e789758fee47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473BB14D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:39:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've never seen it used in any sense but fastness. For example, if you call someone, "A dyed-in-the-wool Republican," you mean their political beliefs are thoroughly those of the Republican party, not mixed or uncertain. Of course, if you dye some woolen yarn one color, and some linen thread another color, if you weave a fabric from both you might get something the modern fashion industry would call "heathered." (Or instead striped, or checked, depending on how you set up the loom and wove the fabric.) Or for that matter, if both yarns are wool. What matters is having the different colors. In this case the wool could be dyed either before or after spinning, but you'd need to do it before weaving. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > But of course referring to dying the fleece makes much sense...with less of > a story. > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 21:40:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF2eESo031277 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:40:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAF2dwlE028661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:40:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAF2dTDv029050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF2dTOC087721; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIb8BO066589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:37:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.137] (dial-209-148-101-137.sonic.net [209.148.101.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lAEIb6Cl022510 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:37:07 -0800 Message-ID: <473B4053.6030608@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:37:07 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A crochet question References: <301308.9170.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <301308.9170.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71818f3d-cf26-4c0a-95a9-c2c035de4ec3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 473BB17E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:40:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Back in the days when I used to do a lot of weaving and crocheting, I never became interested in spinning, for some reason. I bought pre-dyed yarn. However, my philosophy is that if something is likely to shrink, I'd rather get it over with before I go to a lot of trouble making a garment by any method. One great thing the device you describe has going for it, is keeping the yarn from becoming a totally tangled mess while being agitated to distribute the dye. A problem I've always had while dyeing things like long lengths of lace trim. The other thing about crochet, knitting, and lace is that they can be fragile. Of course, this depends on how fine your yarn or thread is, how well you tuck the ends in, and how careful you are when agitating the piece. But I'm going to agitate something during dyeing, if I have the choice I prefer it to be in a less fragile state, as I'd rather not spend a lot of effort making something, then have it come apart during dyeing. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > Back in the days when I had lots of time to experiment > with natural dyes on the yarn I had time to spin (Oh > for the days of no kids!!) my hubby made me a set of > stretchers to keep the shrinkage to a minimum. > > Good luck. > > --- Lavolta Press wrote: > > >>Procion is not a literally cold-water dye; you need >>to use pretty warm >>water for best results. >> >>The dyeing process almost always shrinks the fibers, >>sometimes quite a >>lot. Also, the earlier in the process you dye the >>fibers, the more >>thoroughly the dye penetrates. Dyed in the fleece is >>better than dyed in >>the spun yarn, dyed in the yarn is better than dyed >>in the woven >>material, and dyed in the material is better than >>dyed in the made-up >>garment. Hence the old saying, "Dyed in the wool." >> >>Ever buy a dyed-after-sewing garment, unpick the hem >>to take it up, and >>discover that it is pale, or even still white, on >>the inside of the old >>hem? And when I have dyed crocheted articles, the >>dye visibly penetrates >>better into the upper surface, than further down >>into the intertwinings >>of the yarn. >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >>Maureen Campbell wrote: >> >> >>>If you're going to use a cold-water dye, like >>>Procion, I don't think it makes a difference. >>>Anything involving hot water, though, will >>>shrink cotton, so in that case, the yarn should >>>be dyed first, then crocheted. >>> >>>Yay, crochet!! :) >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 21:41:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF2fI6q031299 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:41:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAF2f21H020534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:41:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAF2eXTl029800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:40:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF2eVXg089339; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAEIm5SH082812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:48:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.101.137] (dial-209-148-101-137.sonic.net [209.148.101.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lAEIm24v028666 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:48:03 -0800 Message-ID: <473B42E3.9070502@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:48:03 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A crochet question References: <301308.9170.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <301308.9170.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98416aaa-cc49-4561-9e11-dc67645e0596 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473BB1BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:41:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO BTW, as someone debating whether to get rid of the 8-harness jack loom in the garage, I have a conundrum. I loved the process of weaving. But I just was not all that thrilled by hand-woven material. It was OK, and I made a lot of home-furnishings type things. But stylistically, I'm not no longer that interested in the rough-looking bedspreads, etc. that I used to make, and as for woven wall hangings, these days I'm totally uninterested. The only kind of wall hanging I'd ever consider making is a tapestry, which I never used to do, except when I learned the techniques in textile arts class. I do still like tapestries. What I was really most interested in making then was garments. Garment fabric is of course comparatively fine and very time-consuming to weave. I wanted to get on to making the garments, so it just seemed more efficient to buy fabric. The loom also has sentimental value, but given the its size, I suppose I'll eventually sell it. I just hate to ever get rid of anything. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > Back in the days when I had lots of time to experiment > with natural dyes on the yarn I had time to spin (Oh > for the days of no kids!!) my hubby made me a set of > stretchers to keep the shrinkage to a minimum. > > Basically, it is no more than a couple pieces of 2x4 > with dowels plugged in. Before the dye bath, I would > wind the yarn across the bars in a single layer with > fairly firm tension. Leave on the bars until you are > done immersing in the dye bath and rinse water. Dry on > the bars. By keeping it under a fair amount of tension > it didn't have as much opportunity to contract. > > The nice part is that you can construct them to fit > down in whatever size tub you have for your dye bath. > We were lucky to have come across some fairly deep > metal pans being discarded from the VA Hospital > kitchen. Worked like a charm. > > Good luck. > > --- Lavolta Press wrote: > > >>Procion is not a literally cold-water dye; you need >>to use pretty warm >>water for best results. >> >>The dyeing process almost always shrinks the fibers, >>sometimes quite a >>lot. Also, the earlier in the process you dye the >>fibers, the more >>thoroughly the dye penetrates. Dyed in the fleece is >>better than dyed in >>the spun yarn, dyed in the yarn is better than dyed >>in the woven >>material, and dyed in the material is better than >>dyed in the made-up >>garment. Hence the old saying, "Dyed in the wool." >> >>Ever buy a dyed-after-sewing garment, unpick the hem >>to take it up, and >>discover that it is pale, or even still white, on >>the inside of the old >>hem? And when I have dyed crocheted articles, the >>dye visibly penetrates >>better into the upper surface, than further down >>into the intertwinings >>of the yarn. >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >>Maureen Campbell wrote: >> >> >>>If you're going to use a cold-water dye, like >>>Procion, I don't think it makes a difference. >>>Anything involving hot water, though, will >>>shrink cotton, so in that case, the yarn should >>>be dyed first, then crocheted. >>> >>>Yay, crochet!! :) >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 21:43:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF2hLAk031402 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:43:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAF2h5K6012551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:43:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAF2fRPT030306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF2fRn9090647; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAELAs8A096181 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:10:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wishlist Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wishlist Thread-Index: Acgme2lo6AmNyzquSzyTV/idDegekAAhpVHAAAAu7KA= From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df5ebf0d-cc21-4118-afca-3cc9976c5108 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 473BB239.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:43:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oops, just read the "England only" bit. But still, the other languages would be very useful-- at least as a handle on research using the encyclopedia as a launch pad. ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862=3D0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Schaeffer, Astrida Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wishlist My suggestion isn't so much the headwords as something to include alongside the headwords-- their counterparts in other languages. For example, it's braies in French, but breeches in English, Bruche in German, and what about Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, etc.? Astrida ******************************* Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery, University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824-3538 603-862=3D0310 FAX: 603-862-2191 www.unh.edu/art-gallery ******************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 22:44:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF3i5BP000370 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:44:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAF3hnvv030800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAF3g924046394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:42:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF3fpgt051848; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF3flx8051708 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.187]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071115034142.PHSK19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:41:42 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.187]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071115034141.MBCE8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:41:41 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:40:48 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Costume journal was Re: [h-cost] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" In-Reply-To: <200711150240.lAF2dxbP088419@net.indra.com> References: <200711150240.lAF2dxbP088419@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071115034141.MBCE8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2697dbd-a10d-4d0b-8371-efeaec44c020 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 473BC075.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:43:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Suzi, I'm missing 1-5 and 39+ (need to re-up and get current) of Costume (Journal of the Costume Society). If you hear of someone with any of these for sale, please let me know! I'm also looking Textile History Vol 18 and Dress #26, 1999. (Journal of the Costume Society of America) Best price that I could find for "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" in the USA was Barnes&Noble. They say that it will ship Nov 20... I've had it on order for awhile. Beth At 08:40 PM 11/14/2007, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:12:14 +0000 >From: Suzi Clarke > >At 00:01 04/11/2007, you wrote: > >I put this on the Renaissance Tailor site, but it might be of use to someone > >here as well: > > > >Subject: RE: [TheRenTailor] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" > > > >I got mine early because I used bribery and corruption. The publication > >party for the book was to have been 1 October in England. Which is why the > >books are only shipping in time for Christmas. It is available in the US > >for $98 for the slipcased Paperback edition (as large as the clothbound > >version in that it is larger than 8 x 10") from > >http://www.oxbowbooks.com/results.cfm/q/Dress%20in%20the%20Court%20of%20Henr > >y%20VIII/qt/All/ST/QS/StartRow/1 (David Brown Book company the US > >distributor Look for Oxbow books and click on the $) > > > >Another nifty is Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society (also a Manley > >publishing item). It is a Quarterly Journal of the Costume Society > >This is an Annual Journal, not a quarterly one - I have very nearly a >complete run, and thankfully, there is only one per year! > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 14 22:49:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF3n3kX000459 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:49:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAF3mlsG030953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:48:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAF3mLBl047376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:48:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF3mKnm057323; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:48:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF3mGQ8057262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lAF3mERr006758 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:48:15 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:54:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <504730.11968.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ef8c3ce1-8dc1-4f56-a62c-6acd3265ce70 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473BC19F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:48:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I don't think those are too earthy at all! Except for the swaddling and clothing for infants are things I'd really be interested in knowing. Given the right book I'd probably be willing to spring for the baby stuff too. Wanda > > > swaddling > clothing for infants and toddlers > underwear > aprons > breast support > maternity clothing > wills - clothing handed down through generations > second hand clothing > > Are these too earthy? > > Mary > ________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 15 04:12:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF9C9YN007801 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:12:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAF9Bph2001555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:11:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAF9BJ6q087720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF9BCos027230; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAF9B8O0027073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.74.52.198] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IsakY-0003A8-RW for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:11:03 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071115090846.03479750@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:11:10 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20071115034141.MBCE8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@ema chine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <200711150240.lAF2dxbP088419@net.indra.com> <20071115034141.MBCE8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Potential Closure of Conservation Centre - England X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fb93ba5-6227-46a9-9ce3-31912b6cda12 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 473C0D57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:11:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO "OK, not many of you have heard of the Textile Conservation Centre in Winchester; but if you're museum staff, or costume historians, or otherwise have any serious interest in the preservation of some of the most fragile of our historic artefacts, and if you support the training of world-class conservators to do more of the same elsewhere, then please go to: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TCCclosure and sign up! Otherwise it will be closed by the 'if it doesn't make a profit it can't be important' mentality that has screwed up so many worthwhile things of late. " From another list I'm on - please sign if you agree with the petition - too many places like this in England are being closed/destroyed. I am sure international pressure will help. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 15 05:25:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFAPUWF020363 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:25:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAFAOmk6030849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:25:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAFAOAbv000358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFAO7GX096501; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (levanto.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFAO2He096360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-185-15.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.185.15] helo=GilgameshII) by levanto.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Isbt6-00097R-30 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:53:56 +1030 Message-ID: <001001c82771$9f2997b0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200711150240.lAF2dxbR088419@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:53:53 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 533 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1341e02f-6da6-41ca-b014-0c312649731a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 473C1E70.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:25:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Another fan of late 15th century here too. I did a fairish bit of digging around into women's clothes of this period (sorry Julian not so interested in men's clothes) about 5 years ago. Actually it must be more than that, because I had no kids then and my eldest is six now. Anyway. There is a brief and distinctly English style between the Burgundian phase and what I like to call 'proto-Tudor'. This style begins in the 1570s and disappears very abruptly in 1485 when the proto-Tudor style comes in just as abruptly. It consists of a close-fitting, low waisted kirtle with a low round neck with a 'bertha' style round collar. The sleeves are tight and long, often going over the hand, and it is worn with a very distinctive style of long girdle. The trucated hennin (or flowerpot hat) was very commonly worn with this style. The proto-Tudor style is pretty much as you've described it. The train is often very long and pinned up to the back of the waist. Also the wide sleeves that are common with this style in France and the Low Countries are not unusual in England. The style seems to filter down very quickly to the middle and lower classes as many illuminations from this period show women with square necked kirtle and gowns. Curiously, some of them have an odd diagonal opening at the front that I've never quite figured out. There is not a lot of info out there for this period. Older books, if you can work around their flaws, were the best sources I found. eg Cunnington, or Kelly. Also books on funeral brasses and tapestries, which were at their peak during this period. Another source I found quite useful is an illustrated edition of the Canterbury Tales I have (it was very common here a few years ago) that draws most of it's illuminations from late 15th century illuminations and woodcuts. Claire Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:05:10 -0500 From: "Sharon Henderson" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Henry 7 Fashion Trends To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Julian, I'm right there with you! My SCA persona, Meleri ferch Iasper ap Dafydd, is a follower of the beloved and darn-near sainted Earl of Pembroke, the Earl of Richmond's uncle and protector... :) I would love to see a good study of this period too! I'm sure the Burgundian influences remained because of the Yorkist duchess, but we must not discount the influence of Brittany (itself alas probably heavily influenced by Burgundy), owing to the Exilic Years of Henry and Earl Jasper. From the few pics we have of Henry and his queen, we do know the "standard silhouettes" were in operation: the skirted doublet and over-robe (chamarre, I think?), and that French-style round cap with the laced sides for the guys, and the kirtle along Burgundian lines but with a more lowered waist and less bulky skirt for the ladies, with the long, slim sleeves and the long-sided English gable hood... but there had to be more to it all than that! I know the excesses of Henry 8's reign and following, where the kid blew the budget Dad had left him, have taken most of the attention--and I'm good with that because I love the classic 1520s and 30s looks. But somewhere between the garb of the waning Yorkist rulers and the flash of Henry 8 there has to have been SOMEthing!! :) Any Lancastrians who wanna chat, drop me a note any time... :) My thesis is on Jasper Tudor so I'm a bit... focused. :) Cheers, Meli ----------Julian scripsit: Robin, sorry to have confused your message header - I came into this thread late and didn't read the beginnings of it. However, I'm delighted to have contacted you. I've seen your name on the Lists to which i subscribe many, many times, and know the esteem in which you are held by others whose particular interest is historic costume. My own theory about the apparent lack of study of the Henry VII period for English clothing is that there doesn't seem to have BEEN an "English Fashion". By everything I've read, the general conclusion I've drawn from the works of others who've studied and researched far more deeply than I - is that - due to the social "uncertainty" arising from the power struggles of the WotR, England didn't have the peaceful conditions which would have allowed/encouraged the development of an "English Fasjion". By everything I've read, - from about 1450, until the Accession of Henry 8th, - English "fashions" were heavily influenced by those of the "most brilliant" Court" in Europe, that of Burgundy, ruled over for much of that time by Princess Margaret of York, from her Capital at Mechelin in Flanders. I won't try and drag you further into a discussion on this when you are concentrating on another topic, - but such a definitive book is still on my wish List. Regards, Julian Wilson, [in 2007] "Matthew Baker" [lifelong Liegeman to Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond, and then King of England, - in the SCA] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 15 13:49:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFIn8QE023965 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:49:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAFImq68012544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:48:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAFIlWEp083795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFIlN8x089535; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFIl9gJ089177 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D6Ms1Y00G16AWCU0A03e00; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:47:04 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter98.comcast.net ([204.127.197.198]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D6n41Y0064HK2Ec0800000; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:47:04 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sfWy5pqgrqV+iflsIVyjJA==:17 a=a8cdzoMyAAAA:8 a=fLYhjRIdhUyk6WdQbbUA:9 a=7PHek357hq01GVmluKuy1XB8AqgA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 a=oAgECpqqG-KU9H4q_3gA:9 a=rKEb6q_WFymEshMREqsGUhuQ3_kA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [192.150.22.5] by rmailcenter98.comcast.net; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:46:56 +0000 From: colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Potential Closure of Conservation Centre - England Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:46:56 +0000 Message-Id: <111520071846.7414.473C94200004463B00001CF622135753330B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y29sbGVlbi5tY2RvbmFsZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0dcef911-4ae2-46fa-a9ff-5661aa26ed4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 473C9494.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 15 13:56:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFIu2HP024379 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:56:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAFItkvv012156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:55:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAFItKP7085141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFIseo2000160; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAFIs1o8099229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:54:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.74.47.189] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Isjqd-00014R-Cl for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:53:55 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071115185227.034ba4e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:54:12 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Potential Closure of Conservation Centre - England In-Reply-To: <111520071846.7414.473C94200004463B00001CF622135753330B040E 02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> References: <111520071846.7414.473C94200004463B00001CF622135753330B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a50d0564-d1bb-499c-9095-697949e96cf9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 473C9632.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Otherwise it will be closed by the 'if it doesn't make a profit it can't be important' mentality that has screwed up so many worthwhile things of late. " From another list I'm on - please sign if you agree with the petition - too many places like this in England are being closed/destroyed. I am sure international pressure will help. 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Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 16 08:01:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAGD1BO9013660 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:01:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAGD0brv026488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:00:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAGCxvG7029961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAGCxset091106; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:59:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAGCxoiu090984 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:59:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d3f.193a8955 (30740) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:59:41 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Costume journal X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86bf0c5d-bd60-4cab-97f8-996f85967164 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 473D9475.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If you hear of someone with any of these for sale, please let me know! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 16 08:48:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAGDmk6H015281 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:48:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAGDmSGA023098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:48:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAGDm13a037392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAGDm0Ip045627; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:48:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.america.net (qsmtp3.america.net [69.60.160.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAGDluWu045567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Message-Id: <200711161347.lAGDluWu045567@net.indra.com> Received: from [65.125.64.211] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp3.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1It1Y4-00072m-2M for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:47:56 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:40:58 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in China In-Reply-To: References: <871A5404-85D8-470E-9F31-6F43009CB6EC@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bedf090d-5ea2-4fcf-8cb7-21dba7044854 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 473D9FAC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:48:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 12:11 AM 11/16/2007, you wrote: >My sister has just found out that she's going to Shanghai next week. >Can anyone tell me what kind of silk, or other cool fabric, she >might be likely to find there, and what's a good price for it? > >Margo I did my shopping in Hong Kong, so I can't say anything about prices, but as for fabric, you should be able to find just about anything you want. I got silk, rayon, and cotton. Linen may be tougher, but I know that there is a large suit making business there, so any sort of suiting (man made, linen, wool) should be available. Sounds like fun. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 16 19:59:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH0xmKr005889 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:59:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAH0xWAn027785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:59:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAH0wxLb072566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:58:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH0wtd1096318; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:58:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAGH5IC1012095 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:05:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8645 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2007 17:05:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ektwn9YJAuBjrToCh8JAAoLlQY3G57ElvlmidX5M8I3Wm8CsgYKuerS9s7PTeQSAln/cMT2S/wi7D5IJNUvn94L4KoYZIkNcFDgHq9h/tKu8eMeE9o/OPHWlY7u2jTIGGQ2BtquMIBRS9yCkZtvNUbv3V2HofMlbq0rp+SpiMsU=; X-YMail-OSG: TniA_lUVM1lERtQI1G86XPLpiBCS8xb7hPelNKad Received: from [72.83.236.144] by web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:05:11 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:05:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Halloween and the perception of costume To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20071103234839.03fdc0e0@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <752765.8218.qm@web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 0bc09c6d-91d8-4774-b46d-a03ca262bb13 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 473E3CF4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:59:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO HAs ANybody got a copy of or know how to get a copy of the Jane Asher..( remember the ORIGINAL Paul McCartney gal back in the 60's?) book for fancy dress or costuming or somthing.. ,I had a copy onece but in all the oves and after an unfortunate 5 year marriage with a book fobic neanderthal...many of my books were destroyed, but this string reminds me of that book. what I remember 1. JAnes own daughter or granddaughter dressed in a little girls Queen Elizabth I jeweled costume made out of thirft shop antique draperies, a humongous paper doily ruff , and jewles out of individually wrapped hard candies like Charmes nestled in gilded hot glue settings with gilded hot glue "couching" drawing hatching patterns between each one...really pretty COOL!!! a grown man ( JAmes Coburn) actually modeling a "jailbird" costume of horizontally srtiped shirt with a convits number written on a card across his chset and the piece de ressistance... huge bird feet . Haly MIlls dress I believe in a huge brightly colored tube with milar hair decorations...( she was a firecraker) I do not remember the title of the book but it was TOTALLY UNFOGETABLE and reminded me even then to keep my sence of humore about all costuming..even the most serious period stuff.. THe LAte GREAT Jante Arnolde ,herself told stories of costuming for the BBC's 6 Wives of HEnry the Eight , which sort of launched her popularity among the unenitiated back then..and yet...she admited that with no budget to speak of,and no time to do it in...she and her "little shop" resorted to thift shop curtains, sometimes tunred insied out and spray painted with cake doilies for templated to make large brocade like patterns and stiffent the fabrics... chuckle. She also said if she had has a clue they were going to be asked for to used in other series...that SHE was to costume much later...she might have paid a bit more attention to whater or not the paints and the goddess know WHAT fabrics were compatible or would eat each other up in storage..chuckkle Bambi Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: Me too - we do mostly Fantasy / Science Fiction costumes, and we have several racks of them in the attic, etc. However, probably 98% of them require knowledge of the source, or at least an appreciation of SF, to "get" what they are. So what do I wear to work for Halloween? A 20-year old pirate coat, with suitable shirt and breeches. People at least "get" pirates..... There were only about 20 who dressed up, most were "closet scrounging" costumes. My fave though was a co-worker, who's a bit of a Goth anyway, who did a pretty good version of Abby from N.C.I.S. (the TV show). Sandy At 08:09 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:15:10 -0400 >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >Subject: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume > >I know I'm not the only one... > >I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval >clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For >one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be >something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work >have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, >also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? > >So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my >way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice >too! "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 16 20:28:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH1SJAB006912 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:28:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAH1S3TZ002183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:28:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAH1RX55074973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:27:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH1RWhO016684; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH1RSBx016561 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:27:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.231]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071117012722.LUNA19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:27:22 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.231]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071117012722.JEGD8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:27:22 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:26:27 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume journal In-Reply-To: <200711170102.lAH12Uh2098947@net.indra.com> References: <200711170102.lAH12Uh2098947@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071117012722.JEGD8405.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7685ad2-077e-48a4-afbf-2aeb5f783234 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 473E43A3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:28:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks Debbie. I've sent him an email. All the ones he has listed on his site, I have. Beth At 07:02 PM 11/16/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:59:41 EST >From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com > >I don't remember the numbers, but Paul Meekins had a load of these at the >re-enactor's market last weekend - more than he usually has. > >_www.paulmeekins.co.uk_ (http://www.paulmeekins.co.uk) > >In a message dated 15/11/2007 19:07:39 GMT Standard Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >I'm missing 1-5 and 39+ (need to re-up and get current) of Costume >(Journal of the Costume Society). If you hear of someone with any of >these for sale, please let me know! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 16 20:28:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH1Smf7006936 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:28:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAH1SVcW030062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:28:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAH1S8rS075011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH1S72Z017090; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH1S3Vr017041 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:28:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so981936nfd for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:28:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=S53t9wOXlvP3nWBC7Fa36xQK19hpAfxebVyX6jSk738=; b=rNMRo7rj9XDtPicn6gSKGW/MSy8r3URZhK+0IhgcVtusPk75BP8XyZvkRhpv4NCaq76rQmTIbkw0lmS49laII1EGIn1N1nL59lmXh62ouFI5eTR/rZB4p9GCvYrwNdrs0qsmWgc5VqScUcAsbdOCPX1hZSFYZ+BUaKLhaC/YB94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AMlqmtUPXzJ3qGI0CAvm3TzXoDUglkPF2z4JaR3dYqHUHguvWcon/aZGl3ETljlObVS+eORzgxZYEG2Lkaz72aRUVxB+8fNyDb/MY4RNcNAEoC0ul7jb/o17zGgOFzmQSEzDS38fbcd+r04IKL7iLltTuTlwBS3+rZhIaedBdug= Received: by 10.78.193.5 with SMTP id q5mr2724122huf.1195262882251; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.131.3 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:28:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0711161728s3ae5aefdtaadfb04db0409aae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:28:02 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Halloween and the perception of costume In-Reply-To: <752765.8218.qm@web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071103234839.03fdc0e0@pop.radiks.net> <752765.8218.qm@web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e652e12-ea79-4fd7-88a0-9533016ed4c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 473E43BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:28:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Bambi, I own that book and it's wonderful! i think it's out of print but am not certain. I'm still at work, so I can't give you the correct name but will try to remember to do so when I go home. I found it in a second-hand bookstore a few years ago for $4US. It's not the kind of costuming I do and was going to put it back but realized who had modeled some of the costumes and had to have the book for the fun of it. Other than the Queen Elizabeth costume, my two favorites were the elf ona a mushroom (a child who's torso was used, stuffed legs set onto a mushroom shape and the child's legs and feet were the stem of the mushroom) and the jelly fish, which depended on a whole lot of bubble wrap cut in long, flowing streams. Really fun stuff, and possible for almost anyone to make. And yes, she and her costuming partner used all sorts of unexpected things to make these costumes. These are more for a fancy dress party than for trick or treating. LynnD On 11/16/07, Bambi TBNL wrote: > > HAs ANybody got a copy of or know how to get a copy of the Jane Asher..( > remember the ORIGINAL Paul McCartney gal back in the 60's?) book for fancy > dress or costuming or somthing.. ,I had a copy onece but in all the oves and > after an unfortunate 5 year marriage with a book fobic neanderthal...many of > my books were destroyed, but this string reminds me of that book. what I > remember > 1. JAnes own daughter or granddaughter dressed in a little girls Queen > Elizabth I jeweled costume made out of thirft shop antique draperies, a > humongous paper doily ruff , and jewles out of individually wrapped hard > candies like Charmes nestled in gilded hot glue settings with gilded hot > glue "couching" drawing hatching patterns between each one...really pretty > COOL!!! > a grown man ( JAmes Coburn) actually modeling a "jailbird" costume of > horizontally srtiped shirt with a convits number written on a card across > his chset and the piece de ressistance... huge bird feet . > Haly MIlls dress I believe in a huge brightly colored tube with milar hair > decorations...( she was a firecraker) > I do not remember the title of the book but it was TOTALLY UNFOGETABLE > and reminded me even then to keep my sence of humore about all > costuming..even the most serious period stuff.. > THe LAte GREAT Jante Arnolde ,herself told stories of costuming for the > BBC's 6 Wives of HEnry the Eight , which sort of launched her popularity > among the unenitiated back then..and yet...she admited that with no budget > to speak of,and no time to do it in...she and her "little shop" resorted to > thift shop curtains, sometimes tunred insied out and spray painted with > cake doilies for templated to make large brocade like patterns and stiffent > the fabrics... chuckle. She also said if she had has a clue they were going > to be asked for to used in other series...that SHE was to costume much > later...she might have paid a bit more attention to whater or not the paints > and the goddess know WHAT fabrics were compatible or would eat each other up > in storage..chuckkle > Bambi > > Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: Me too - we do > mostly Fantasy / Science Fiction costumes, and we have > several racks of them in the attic, etc. However, probably 98% of > them require knowledge of the source, or at least an appreciation of > SF, to "get" what they are. So what do I wear to work for > Halloween? A 20-year old pirate coat, with suitable shirt and > breeches. People at least "get" pirates..... > > There were only about 20 who dressed up, most were "closet > scrounging" costumes. My fave though was a co-worker, who's a bit of > a Goth anyway, who did a pretty good version of Abby from N.C.I.S. > (the TV show). > > Sandy > > At 08:09 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: > > >Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:15:10 -0400 > >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > >Subject: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume > > > >I know I'm not the only one... > > > >I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval > >clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For > >one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be > >something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work > >have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, > >also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? > > > >So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my > >way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice > >too! > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL > > I am made for great things by GOD > and walk with Pride!!!! > Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad > (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) > > --------------------------------- > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try > it now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 16 21:24:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH2Oj3n008945 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:24:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAH2OSOR022135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:24:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAH2Nvfe081108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH2Ns0c059659; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH2NpMA059627 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:23:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([71.126.47.43]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JRM00BRMPAGO7B5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:23:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:22:45 -0500 From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <00f901c828c0$cfb9c7b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071103234839.03fdc0e0@pop.radiks.net> <752765.8218.qm@web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8296995c0711161728s3ae5aefdtaadfb04db0409aae@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Jane Asher book, was Halloween and the perception of costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7f4136c-dd3e-4aaa-b301-3801cf858c32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 473E50DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:24:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The book is called _Jane Asher's Costume Book_ ISBN: 0932086314 and used copies are currently available for as little as $1 US. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 16 21:34:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH2Y1AN009257 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:34:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAH2XibW021851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:33:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAH2XOAi082075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH2XNP8068417; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH2XKXa068370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lAH2XJvj003172 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:33:19 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: Costume journal was Re: [h-cost] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:39:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20071115034141.MBCE8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1f5afe5-5240-4877-8899-f8cad1c44ee5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 473E5308.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:33:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Beth, I have the Dress book already from David Brown. I went to the Barnes and Nobel site and although they have it listed I don't see a price. Actually I'm the one who wrote the bit about bribery and corruption to get my copy. It is definitely worth the money to me. It is going right into it's place next to Queen Elizabeth's Closet Unlocked. That book is also printed in the UK by Maney publishing as are my Inventories of the Palace of White Hall 1542. I've been in touch with Janet Hogue and she has put me in touch with their marketing manager Alison Holgate who asked what things the SCA might be interested in. I did my best to cover as much as I could and to assure her that there were plenty of people outside the SCA "Period" or even organization who were there ready to be marketed to. She wrote me back with these suggestions: "It sounds like we have got loads of titles that would be of interest. In the way of journals we have... Costume: Journal of the Costume Society Textile History Arms & Armour Exemplaria: A Journal of Theory in Medieval & Renaissance Studies (history, theatre, literature, etc) Medieval Sermon Studies Medieval Archaeology Post-Medieval Archaeology Journal of the British Archaeological Association (?) Vernacular Architecture (?) In books we have: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd" Some sound a bit peculiar until you realize that Sermons frequently mention articles of clothing that are too high, too tight, too revealing, etc. Archeology is where we find a lot of textile or other finds. Now I have to have her give me some quotes for prices. She was thinking it might be possible to do something on the order of a special rate for people from a particular e-group. Such thoughts need to be encouraged! I did mention that Queen Elizabeth's Closet was a pretty sure winner for those of us into that age. I'm still kicking myself for only buying one of the mispriced ones! Wanda Pease > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Beth and Bob Matney > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:41 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Costume journal was Re: [h-cost] "Dress at the Court of > KingHenry Viii" > > > Suzi, > > I'm missing 1-5 and 39+ (need to re-up and get current) of Costume > (Journal of the Costume Society). If you hear of someone with any of > these for sale, please let me know! > > I'm also looking Textile History Vol 18 and Dress #26, 1999. (Journal > of the Costume Society > of America) > > Best price that I could find for "Dress at the Court of King Henry > Viii" in the USA was Barnes&Noble. They say that it will ship Nov > 20... I've had it on order for awhile. > > Beth > > At 08:40 PM 11/14/2007, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:12:14 +0000 > >From: Suzi Clarke > > > >At 00:01 04/11/2007, you wrote: > > >I put this on the Renaissance Tailor site, but it might be of > use to someone > > >here as well: > > > > > >Subject: RE: [TheRenTailor] "Dress at the Court of King Henry Viii" > > > > > >I got mine early because I used bribery and corruption. The > publication > > >party for the book was to have been 1 October in England. > Which is why the > > >books are only shipping in time for Christmas. It is > available in the US > > >for $98 for the slipcased Paperback edition (as large as the clothbound > > >version in that it is larger than 8 x 10") from > > > >http://www.oxbowbooks.com/results.cfm/q/Dress%20in%20the%20Court% 20of%20Henr > >y%20VIII/qt/All/ST/QS/StartRow/1 (David Brown Book company the US > >distributor Look for Oxbow books and click on the $) > > > >Another nifty is Costume: The Journal of the Costume Society (also a Manley > >publishing item). It is a Quarterly Journal of the Costume Society > >This is an Annual Journal, not a quarterly one - I have very nearly a >complete run, and thankfully, there is only one per year! > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 17 00:45:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH5jfSp022917 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:45:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAH5jISL003199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:45:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAH5iiXK097454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:44:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH5ifgF095575; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:44:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAH5icfA095469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.74.47.189] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1ItGTo-0001ZE-4J for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:44:32 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071117053426.03495640@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:41:33 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Halloween and the perception of costume In-Reply-To: <752765.8218.qm@web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071103234839.03fdc0e0@pop.radiks.net> <752765.8218.qm@web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e93e8c3c-56aa-4b57-97b0-57446b97aff0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 473E7FEE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:45:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 17:05 16/11/2007, you wrote: >HAs ANybody got a copy of or know how to get a copy of the Jane >Asher..( remember the ORIGINAL Paul McCartney gal back in the 60's?) >book for fancy dress or costuming or somthing.. ,I had a copy onece >but in all the oves and after an unfortunate 5 year marriage with a >book fobic neanderthal...many of my books were destroyed, but this >string reminds me of that book. what I remember >1. JAnes own daughter or granddaughter dressed in a little girls >Queen Elizabth I jeweled costume made out of thirft shop antique >draperies, a humongous paper doily ruff , and jewles out of >individually wrapped hard candies like Charmes nestled in gilded hot >glue settings with gilded hot glue "couching" drawing hatching >patterns between each one...really pretty COOL!!! >a grown man ( JAmes Coburn) actually modeling a "jailbird" costume >of horizontally srtiped shirt with a convits number written on a >card across his chset and the piece de ressistance... huge bird feet . >Haly MIlls dress I believe in a huge brightly colored tube with >milar hair decorations...( she was a firecraker) >I do not remember the title of the book but it was TOTALLY UNFOGETABLE >and reminded me even then to keep my sence of humore about all >costuming..even the most serious period stuff.. >THe LAte GREAT Jante Arnolde ,herself told stories of costuming for >the BBC's 6 Wives of HEnry the Eight , which sort of launched her >popularity among the unenitiated back then..and yet...she admited >that with no budget to speak of,and no time to do it in...she and >her "little shop" resorted to thift shop curtains, sometimes tunred >insied out and spray painted with cake doilies for templated to >make large brocade like patterns and stiffent the fabrics... >chuckle. She also said if she had has a clue they were going to be >asked for to used in other series...that SHE was to costume much >later...she might have paid a bit more attention to whater or not >the paints and the goddess know WHAT fabrics were compatible or >would eat each other up in storage..chuckkle I'm sorry, but I have to correct you. The person who made the "Wives" costumes for the BBC series was not Janet Arnold, but Jean Hunnisett. Janet was not a costumer but an historian. Jean was on the staff of the BBC at the time, and went on to make all Glenda Jackson's costumes for "Elizabeth R". I helped Jean to refurbish some of the "Wives" costumes when they were on show at Hampton Court in the 1980's, and Coke bottle tops, metal chains, pieces of laces sprayed gold, furnishing fabrics, gum drops (a kind of round sweet), resin were all put to good use. By the time "Elizabeth R" came around the BBC realised they were on to a good thing, and actually gave Jean a reasonably decent budget. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 17 05:20:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHAK6H9014359 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:20:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAHAJn9R016178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:19:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAHAJ7Dp023019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHAJ2JT081160; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.49]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAHAIwDl081057 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:19:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92367 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2007 10:18:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XLoaBZraEfkEB8u4c4UaBZSfW4on07Tyy1m/gkY3kv9yIZ3glESMVRVcPSB1I6wMC5Vx4I9VfROClDRL697qeEXB1hQPtDFnQ/U3m4J7QzC/yR04ac09I+5IpJa7CyURewDftpjR3GlKgL8FiNa8OBNfYdciJkrwUJm2qYzX5YI=; X-YMail-OSG: Q5WdTL8VM1k5IQ5iouQImDI43KSkx.YsNE0ac1I5pdAmMK5RW.q4TdY5L8gWa5avWNNON0FDTA-- Received: from [87.244.93.28] by web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:18:52 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:18:52 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <65003.90968.qm@web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Henry VII Fashion (was: Dress topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb8add8f-b698-4525-842c-cbe7cdc446d8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473EC045.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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YiS, "Matthew Baker" [in the SCA] Julian Wilson [in 2007] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 17 08:09:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHD9jS3012637 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:09:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAHD9TvR002614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAHD8tew049770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHD8qBU014415; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-90.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-90.bluehost.com [74.220.211.10]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAHD8nXa014354 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:08:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 14585 invoked by uid 0); 17 Nov 2007 13:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (69.89.21.77) by mailproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 13:08:49 -0000 Received: from cm-84.208.119.243.getinternet.no ([84.208.119.243] helo=gunvor.upc.no) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1ItNPj-00058c-HC for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:08:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:54:45 +0100 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wish list From: "G.Vinje" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200019.16492.qm@web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.24 (Win32) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 84.208.119.243 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b761d1a-6e73-444f-8db1-1719cf3d67dd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 473EE809.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:29:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO That brings back memories, I saw that exhibit at Hampton Court in the 80s, when I was just starting to study costumes. I wonder where my photos of the exhibit are. Katy On Nov 17, 2007 12:41 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 17:05 16/11/2007, you wrote: > >HAs ANybody got a copy of or know how to get a copy of the Jane > >Asher..( remember the ORIGINAL Paul McCartney gal back in the 60's?) > >book for fancy dress or costuming or somthing.. ,I had a copy onece > >but in all the oves and after an unfortunate 5 year marriage with a > >book fobic neanderthal...many of my books were destroyed, but this > >string reminds me of that book. what I remember > >1. JAnes own daughter or granddaughter dressed in a little girls > >Queen Elizabth I jeweled costume made out of thirft shop antique > >draperies, a humongous paper doily ruff , and jewles out of > >individually wrapped hard candies like Charmes nestled in gilded hot > >glue settings with gilded hot glue "couching" drawing hatching > >patterns between each one...really pretty COOL!!! > >a grown man ( JAmes Coburn) actually modeling a "jailbird" costume > >of horizontally srtiped shirt with a convits number written on a > >card across his chset and the piece de ressistance... huge bird feet . > >Haly MIlls dress I believe in a huge brightly colored tube with > >milar hair decorations...( she was a firecraker) > >I do not remember the title of the book but it was TOTALLY UNFOGETABLE > >and reminded me even then to keep my sence of humore about all > >costuming..even the most serious period stuff.. > >THe LAte GREAT Jante Arnolde ,herself told stories of costuming for > >the BBC's 6 Wives of HEnry the Eight , which sort of launched her > >popularity among the unenitiated back then..and yet...she admited > >that with no budget to speak of,and no time to do it in...she and > >her "little shop" resorted to thift shop curtains, sometimes tunred > >insied out and spray painted with cake doilies for templated to > >make large brocade like patterns and stiffent the fabrics... > >chuckle. She also said if she had has a clue they were going to be > >asked for to used in other series...that SHE was to costume much > >later...she might have paid a bit more attention to whater or not > >the paints and the goddess know WHAT fabrics were compatible or > >would eat each other up in storage..chuckkle > > I'm sorry, but I have to correct you. The person who made the "Wives" > costumes for the BBC series was not Janet Arnold, but Jean Hunnisett. > Janet was not a costumer but an historian. Jean was on the staff of > the BBC at the time, and went on to make all Glenda Jackson's > costumes for "Elizabeth R". I helped Jean to refurbish some of the > "Wives" costumes when they were on show at Hampton Court in the > 1980's, and Coke bottle tops, metal chains, pieces of laces sprayed > gold, furnishing fabrics, gum drops (a kind of round sweet), resin > were all put to good use. By the time "Elizabeth R" came around the > BBC realised they were on to a good thing, and actually gave Jean a > reasonably decent budget. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 17 17:39:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHMdFZq000418 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:39:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAHMcwYj032738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:39:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAHMcHol031680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHMcCcR028131; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:38:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHMc9H3027994 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:38:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DoPu1Y0080S2fkC0A0ap00; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:38:07 +0000 Received: from [64.134.147.66] ([64.134.147.66]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dye41Y0031SB7tc0800000; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:38:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=z9i7wx_wHQ0A:10 a=N3s8YgGnJad1MgY6GAkA:9 a=56PEHVgzqAtnBvEiccaLZ86OnCoA:4 a=vNGxQsTWjH8A:10 Message-ID: <473F6D4B.5030205@bovil.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:38:03 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in China References: <871A5404-85D8-470E-9F31-6F43009CB6EC@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 370c4c99-4822-45bb-bc3c-c65085487a38 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473F6D82.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Vegetable fiber cloth, naturally bright white, pretty much unavailable in North America. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 17 17:58:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHMwQ71000884 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:58:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAHMw9bv007821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:58:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAHMvXZI033521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHMvWjq044730; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAHMvSk7044508 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:57:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.59]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071117225723.NUHZ29331.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:57:23 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.59]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071117225722.PDKX8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:57:22 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:53:56 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: RE: Costume journal was Re: [h-cost] "Dress at the Court of In-Reply-To: <200711171900.lAHJ06DW032969@net.indra.com> References: <200711171900.lAHJ06DW032969@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071117225722.PDKX8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ead76539-2872-41ce-b611-b10f946ba159 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 473F7201.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:58:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks Wanda, Like everyone, I have a budget.. so journals (particularly the expensive Maney ones) are usually dropped in favor of books. Many look quite interesting.. if only I qualified for the student rate! Beth At 01:00 PM 11/17/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:39:02 -0800 >From: "Wanda Pease" > >Beth, I have the Dress book already from David Brown. I went to the Barnes >and Nobel site and although they have it listed I don't see a price. >Actually I'm the one who wrote the bit about bribery and corruption to get >my copy. It is definitely worth the money to me. It is going right into >it's place next to Queen Elizabeth's Closet Unlocked. That book is also >printed in the UK by Maney publishing as are my Inventories of the Palace of >White Hall 1542. > >I've been in touch with Janet Hogue and she has put me in touch with their >marketing manager Alison Holgate who asked what things the SCA might be >interested in. I did my best to cover as much as I could and to assure her >that there were plenty of people outside the SCA "Period" or even >organization who were there ready to be marketed to. She wrote me back with >these suggestions: > >"It sounds like we have got loads of titles that would be of interest. In >the way of journals we have... > >Costume: Journal of the Costume Society >Textile History >Arms & Armour >Exemplaria: A Journal of Theory in Medieval & Renaissance Studies (history, >theatre, literature, etc) >Medieval Sermon Studies >Medieval Archaeology >Post-Medieval Archaeology >Journal of the British Archaeological Association (?) >Vernacular Architecture (?) > >In books we have: >Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII >Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd" > >Some sound a bit peculiar until you realize that Sermons frequently mention >articles of clothing that are too high, too tight, too revealing, etc. >Archeology is where we find a lot of textile or other finds. Now I have to >have her give me some quotes for prices. She was thinking it might be >possible to do something on the order of a special rate for people from a >particular e-group. Such thoughts need to be encouraged! I did mention >that Queen Elizabeth's Closet was a pretty sure winner for those of us into >that age. I'm still kicking myself for only buying one of the mispriced >ones! > >Wanda Pease _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 18 09:27:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAIERXHt015762 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:27:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAIERGMN010365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAIEQbJa083917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:26:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAIEQXMl029284; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAIEQTci029232 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:26:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1315211rvf for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:26:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Kz9e0Dsdu6z3ROR0VhrsED86XyJEIckni3DILyB4cq0=; b=ithyWuC8xymY7QyGX/HTksBnag0s4OX1g/siIXzrnFYZ30NbQAbvXxHILba3V0qHuaF2GUAg8Tq+zuXT9UadwjrdSkmkdudJCHqdu9Vnrqo9s+N6wL83sDEcGkFG48+PU8e17WSflDeSBh+KfQS8YojM+sPgW1FQ3bzKg0Ix62s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=km3iT47KOte7swHR0jKbOqFFgpLygCQN1R1iyPkBitMVxECFhLE3wvzRnQiviMquWR8bWXsaEFzxaEcxbnrsJhitgeX09HppKZnhoDGjmmZVagvP+Pbpk6ONSI5x8eRcbmV2Ft5VzlndfoD5t+VIo54XD4M9zX++IuV3Y7Gfk7E= Received: by 10.142.222.21 with SMTP id u21mr909637wfg.1195395989141; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:26:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:26:29 -0500 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in China MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdda9ca4-baf1-47a7-a32b-54e56a7b0deb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47404BC4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:27:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > My sister has just found out that she's going to Shanghai next week. > Can anyone tell me what kind of silk, or other cool fabric, she > might be likely to find there, and what's a good price for it? I havent been to Shanghai, but my very well trained husband (who can give the lecture on different kinds of silk verbatim) has been a lot. There are interesting tourist markets around. Best of course, to have a friendly native guide or a Chinese speaker with you who can help with the negotiations. There's a main street, Nan Jing Rd that leads more or less from Peoples Park to the Bund. Closer to the Bund it's pedestrians only & there, among the posh shops, are fabric stores that deal in everything, esp silks. Go price checking here. You'll be at the Bund anyway, amongst the old European style buildings, at night to look across the Huang Po River towads the Pearl Tower for the lightshow. Here's a link: http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/shanghai/shopping.htm Raz says, further toward the Bund the shops get a little older & rundown looking. That's where the fabric shops are. Look also for the little beaded figures that you can hang from your cellphone (it's an Asian thing). I have a red Mandarin guy & a cute pink lizard on mine. There's an another area for tourists near the old teahouse. He's pretty sure its the Yu Yuan Garden, shown here: http://www.lovetoeatandtravel.com/Site/Intl/China/Shanghai/Fun/Yu_Yuan_Garden.htm There's another bunch of very posh shops near this famous garden, but the periphery blocks are full of places where you can get better deals. Silk rugs - Hao Yin No. 1488 HongQiao Road tel. 13901848866 He says amazingly beautiful rugs for 100s of US$. I laughed. Usually they're 1000s of US$. OK it sounds odd, but we brought a Tajekestani one home in our luggage from Singapore. They fold, they dont break or leak, they're easy to ship & Customs doesnt raise an eyebrow. Buy something fabulous! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 18 09:33:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAIEX9iY016089 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:33:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAIEWpZV016425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:32:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAIEWQv5085146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAIEWOtB035054; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAIEWNtE035013 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1316326rvf for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:32:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8IGWjtKIuplrpBdBqGqDzS8GnmF0F/CtAyyyqUkfeHI=; b=iZepfZAQgFp1E3q0K9cVD7uhk+D0a8pBXbP6jsu9DEpCM6UgpteSbi3rqWll6C1f4lIsJlt6ZKkD+kw81Ub+QlhVKqQjEQfvz9DZN4AGR6WJY6JnLUtSf3kaHd1Kd9teUVFuW06soVcyAJsSLmhp+6AHd8ez8bwJEjn1rbqWVtw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PXHh/uTnsPKMC+j1WfOU8mDyx2ZV0bCMvrtpbDpZb8OxQD+VOfJIlIMNywa46EGZRPSSQifgOF/4qJ43FpzXZ78WAof4Qqwc4oU0Xr3I77FyWerxoMk7w3u0rAd28BrdGbjMpp6aOoIZkZuL2mQKhVbpAzJ4h42SMOC6FBBBI/8= Received: by 10.142.213.9 with SMTP id l9mr913066wfg.1195396342890; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.35.13 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:32:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:32:22 -0500 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Shopping in China In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8734a0bf-e8c3-4c84-a695-6812e2a032db X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47404D13.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:32:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Nov 18, 2007 9:26 AM, Cin wrote: > > My sister has just found out that she's going to Shanghai next week. > > Can anyone tell me what kind of silk, or other cool fabric, she > > might be likely to find there, and what's a good price for it? > > I havent been to Shanghai, but my very well trained husband (who can > give the lecture on different kinds of silk verbatim) has been a lot. --cin Raz remembered s'more. He found this: Silk Market Sat in the heart of Dong Jia Du Lu, this market is best reached by getting a taxi as finding it on foot is not easy and it's quite a hike. A wide array of silks, some better quality than others but bargain silk scarves and shawls to be found here. Haggling encouraged! Xiang Yang Lu Clothes Market As centrally located as you could wish for, please allow at least 3 hours to tour this market! Has toilets, refreshments and people offering you VCDs/DVDs for sale on almost every corner. This markets sits on the corner of Huai Hai Zhong Lu and Xiang Yang Nan Lu. The clothes on offer here are amazingly cheap, but please do not just accept the first offer, haggle away to your hearts' content here. Some people say a better bargain is had in the early evening as the vendors are prepared to haggle and get lower prices. For anything you can imagine, this place is a Must-See in Shanghai. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 19 11:12:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJGCs8Y009995 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:12:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAJGCSXd005871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:12:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAJGBgRu005767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJGBZ7G073138; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJGAbDP071783 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:11:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ec2t1Y0070EZKEL050Pg00; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:11:31 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.2] ([67.177.195.0]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EgBW1Y00Q00zNUK0300000; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:11:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zew6ojlsAAAA:8 a=yBOcxRetHkBv5F1EUM0A:9 a=BGbvkP8nggcowFERxVYt5JTLyY8A:4 a=0HHwYnTZQ4kA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=4PEd7sMPrWCtkQV-QCoA:9 a=8Jlk9HfTIu0OD0bg81kE1W7m2p0A:4 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:11:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Books on recent costume history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adfd5209-5b54-4777-a588-83179a5a6fb7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4741B5EC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:12:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I teach a costume/fashion class and am wondering if there are any costume history books that cover the 1960s up to 2000. All mine stop around 1975. Has anyone written a more current one? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 19 11:47:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJGl03s010887 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:47:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAJGkgQH000973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:46:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAJGk7R3015457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJGk5QF024575; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJGk0RB024321 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B764D10DAD3 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:45:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4741BDE4.9050405@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:46:28 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Queta's Closet Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd2ab7d0-9174-4e1b-a073-03c4095da0ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4741BDF2.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 19 12:05:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJH5tje011283 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:05:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAJH5Wgf009322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:05:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAJH4xdI019225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJH4so9052049; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJH4mSW051780 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JRR004MCJF38AZ0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:04:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:04:11 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Queta's Closet Patterns In-reply-to: <4741BDE4.9050405@reddawn.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1bfd1bc8-a4e2-492b-91a1-4764950832be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4741C25C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 19 12:09:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJH95cc011329 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:09:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAJH8mxv029678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:08:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAJH8KEj019918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJH8H9F056816; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:08:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJH8D0k056712 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1051632ugd for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:08:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=o4YAmYecc9LpsrwzdVjK7CIL6U3V027GjPDTo87RYcY=; b=eDMfzZ4VCy7/ZfqRv82Z3JgyxOF/VqBnR3A8koNbHuu2akymFbpINzHT4R5kVYDLJrO9hP+1ymwxqpQu40uCSOwyVcr+b1T8xP4YGGf3hPuNoFhesQhW667sBWMcnZlyNx7WXK0uvXvKgoUyGhdr5vSOju6rbIeon6rXAfuUF/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JxXMdBEhzZMeLrCDQClvxS4BcRUxhPlBZ3o3voF0ZKYp51zLPOAPf10csA/zJ7dEN4c05j56IflcfPF7yMo8cOtNgRw3h5O80eIiASvvrEmBgHA/2SSCbeHuNcB61w8jQF21cwfwq1uEvKt/mSYpff9GKriBRAT5xWjwgedGUSY= Received: by 10.78.201.10 with SMTP id y10mr5499416huf.1195492091254; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.131.3 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:08:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0711190908r26a0de12w15858e0e5faf2a6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:08:11 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Halloween and the perception of costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070711170725q1fd2190fs75ea93f6ef5ed09d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071103234839.03fdc0e0@pop.radiks.net> <752765.8218.qm@web63711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071117053426.03495640@suziclarke.co.uk> <3586f5070711170725q1fd2190fs75ea93f6ef5ed09d@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a4d4c4b-534b-4bc0-a8a4-126cd159221e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4741C320.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:08:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I didn't find the book this weekend - busy, only spent a few minutes looking, books a mess, la-la-la. Thankfully someone else knew the name of the book and that it's available. LynnD On 11/17/07, Katy Bishop wrote: > > That brings back memories, I saw that exhibit at Hampton Court in the > 80s, when I was just starting to study costumes. I wonder where my > photos of the exhibit are. > > Katy > > On Nov 17, 2007 12:41 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > At 17:05 16/11/2007, you wrote: > > >HAs ANybody got a copy of or know how to get a copy of the Jane > > >Asher..( remember the ORIGINAL Paul McCartney gal back in the 60's?) > > >book for fancy dress or costuming or somthing.. ,I had a copy onece > > >but in all the oves and after an unfortunate 5 year marriage with a > > >book fobic neanderthal...many of my books were destroyed, but this > > >string reminds me of that book. what I remember > > >1. JAnes own daughter or granddaughter dressed in a little girls > > >Queen Elizabth I jeweled costume made out of thirft shop antique > > >draperies, a humongous paper doily ruff , and jewles out of > > >individually wrapped hard candies like Charmes nestled in gilded hot > > >glue settings with gilded hot glue "couching" drawing hatching > > >patterns between each one...really pretty COOL!!! > > >a grown man ( JAmes Coburn) actually modeling a "jailbird" costume > > >of horizontally srtiped shirt with a convits number written on a > > >card across his chset and the piece de ressistance... huge bird feet . > > >Haly MIlls dress I believe in a huge brightly colored tube with > > >milar hair decorations...( she was a firecraker) > > >I do not remember the title of the book but it was TOTALLY UNFOGETABLE > > >and reminded me even then to keep my sence of humore about all > > >costuming..even the most serious period stuff.. > > >THe LAte GREAT Jante Arnolde ,herself told stories of costuming for > > >the BBC's 6 Wives of HEnry the Eight , which sort of launched her > > >popularity among the unenitiated back then..and yet...she admited > > >that with no budget to speak of,and no time to do it in...she and > > >her "little shop" resorted to thift shop curtains, sometimes tunred > > >insied out and spray painted with cake doilies for templated to > > >make large brocade like patterns and stiffent the fabrics... > > >chuckle. She also said if she had has a clue they were going to be > > >asked for to used in other series...that SHE was to costume much > > >later...she might have paid a bit more attention to whater or not > > >the paints and the goddess know WHAT fabrics were compatible or > > >would eat each other up in storage..chuckkle > > > > I'm sorry, but I have to correct you. The person who made the "Wives" > > costumes for the BBC series was not Janet Arnold, but Jean Hunnisett. > > Janet was not a costumer but an historian. Jean was on the staff of > > the BBC at the time, and went on to make all Glenda Jackson's > > costumes for "Elizabeth R". I helped Jean to refurbish some of the > > "Wives" costumes when they were on show at Hampton Court in the > > 1980's, and Coke bottle tops, metal chains, pieces of laces sprayed > > gold, furnishing fabrics, gum drops (a kind of round sweet), resin > > were all put to good use. By the time "Elizabeth R" came around the > > BBC realised they were on to a good thing, and actually gave Jean a > > reasonably decent budget. > > > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 19 14:45:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJJjJUd015018 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:45:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAJJj2vL028791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:45:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAJJhsH3056099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:43:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJJhNYx075669; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from gateway04.websitewelcome.com (gateway04.websitewelcome.com [67.18.124.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAJGFAtM078562 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:15:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (qmail 17916 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 16:15:25 -0000 Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (67.19.210.130) by gateway04.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 16:15:25 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43253) by audi.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iu9HA-00061K-GZ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:15:08 -0600 Received: from 168.18.214.121 ([168.18.214.121]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20071119111508.dwz95hhb4ggswg4w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:15:08 -0500 From: Susan Farmer To: Historical Costume Subject: Earlier History texts (was Re: [h-cost] Books on recent costume history References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a274a35d-3221-4882-a70e-65cf782aafbd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4741E7BE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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What's your favorite text for pre-20th century clothing? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 19 16:07:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJL7OsX016893 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:07:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAJL76hG019674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:07:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAJL1Jwf075224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:01:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJL1GFp078952; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAJL18PI078691 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JRR00FRCUDGTYW0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:00:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:00:47 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books on recent costume history In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10184c88-f17d-4b6f-892d-84879c3ea46c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4741FAFA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:07:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Try Fairchild Publishers. They do Women's Wear Daily. They just published "20th Century Dress in the United States" by Jane Farrell-Beck and Jean Parsons ISBN: 978-1-56367-415-0. If you are getting books for the class, you can usually get a copy for yourself to check before placing the order. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Books on recent costume history I teach a costume/fashion class and am wondering if there are any costume history books that cover the 1960s up to 2000. All mine stop around 1975. Has anyone written a more current one? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume published " 20th Century Dress in the United States _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 19 21:10:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK2AxAX025232 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:10:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAK2AdfR021345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:10:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAK29cF0021127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK29Zrd089682; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63709.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63709.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAK29WIK089563 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:09:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41163 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2007 02:09:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iBmrY4Q3Yk71aJXYcDzHZH/mEenbKLuR0woe2gTm8OmEwRDwlAUc4gzWx8B+9qD/vIn7xO01CfBnXWFKxJrNz6hKPH0Hi8jmhg7x01iV9++tvZvD4+HDZ15fDApfnTUB3USG0eybf+CZ0gPwKNLmLIxngEX/CPTrSQZbHmBjwyw=; X-YMail-OSG: yhPWMKUVM1lHR68llZhLflm.SGXpKN0svH41qQuS4EoBqYmyd2kqBTlxyBwDZ22WojwYImscIuFaacZAB.eq73OTwMjTDMpriM4u Received: from [66.14.198.240] by web63709.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:09:26 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:09:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bambi TBNL Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Halloween and the perception of costume To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071117053426.03495640@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <769825.41018.qm@web63709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37ee250b-8cd3-4859-b7ae-2078b31bc49f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4742421F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:10:43 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO My Appologies..for remembering incorrectly...but i was sure I heard it at a lecture bye JAnet in the early 90's..guess i must be getting senile...sorry. Bambi Suzi Clarke wrote: At 17:05 16/11/2007, you wrote: >HAs ANybody got a copy of or know how to get a copy of the Jane >Asher..( remember the ORIGINAL Paul McCartney gal back in the 60's?) >book for fancy dress or costuming or somthing.. ,I had a copy onece >but in all the oves and after an unfortunate 5 year marriage with a >book fobic neanderthal...many of my books were destroyed, but this >string reminds me of that book. what I remember >1. JAnes own daughter or granddaughter dressed in a little girls >Queen Elizabth I jeweled costume made out of thirft shop antique >draperies, a humongous paper doily ruff , and jewles out of >individually wrapped hard candies like Charmes nestled in gilded hot >glue settings with gilded hot glue "couching" drawing hatching >patterns between each one...really pretty COOL!!! >a grown man ( JAmes Coburn) actually modeling a "jailbird" costume >of horizontally srtiped shirt with a convits number written on a >card across his chset and the piece de ressistance... huge bird feet . >Haly MIlls dress I believe in a huge brightly colored tube with >milar hair decorations...( she was a firecraker) >I do not remember the title of the book but it was TOTALLY UNFOGETABLE >and reminded me even then to keep my sence of humore about all >costuming..even the most serious period stuff.. >THe LAte GREAT Jante Arnolde ,herself told stories of costuming for >the BBC's 6 Wives of HEnry the Eight , which sort of launched her >popularity among the unenitiated back then..and yet...she admited >that with no budget to speak of,and no time to do it in...she and >her "little shop" resorted to thift shop curtains, sometimes tunred >insied out and spray painted with cake doilies for templated to >make large brocade like patterns and stiffent the fabrics... >chuckle. She also said if she had has a clue they were going to be >asked for to used in other series...that SHE was to costume much >later...she might have paid a bit more attention to whater or not >the paints and the goddess know WHAT fabrics were compatible or >would eat each other up in storage..chuckkle I'm sorry, but I have to correct you. The person who made the "Wives" costumes for the BBC series was not Janet Arnold, but Jean Hunnisett. Janet was not a costumer but an historian. Jean was on the staff of the BBC at the time, and went on to make all Glenda Jackson's costumes for "Elizabeth R". I helped Jean to refurbish some of the "Wives" costumes when they were on show at Hampton Court in the 1980's, and Coke bottle tops, metal chains, pieces of laces sprayed gold, furnishing fabrics, gum drops (a kind of round sweet), resin were all put to good use. By the time "Elizabeth R" came around the BBC realised they were on to a good thing, and actually gave Jean a reasonably decent budget. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride!!!! Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 19 21:17:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK2HbUq025494 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:17:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAK2HIqs001613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:17:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAK2H0eN022023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK2H0UA095234; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK2GuIu095103 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c3a.23838d7b (65099) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:16:31 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:16:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Halloween and the perception of costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ca8e72f-c5f6-480d-ab59-ea1d2d5ad20f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474243AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:17:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 11/19/2007 9:10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com writes: I'm sorry, but I have to correct you. The person who made the "Wives" costumes for the BBC series was not Janet Arnold, but Jean Hunnisett I also THOUGHT Janet Arnold also lectured on the subject, but I could be wrong. I remember, in the early 1990s, she was making the rounds in the US, and I heard her speak on both the Medici Grave Clothes and one other topic--either it was "Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd" (which of course we know she wrote about) OR the wives of Henry VIII. Sorry this is so vague--but I traveled almost 200 miles to hear her speak on the one she HADN'T spoken on, only to learn she was repeating one I had already heard. But I can't remember which was which! Are you SURE she didn't consult on Henry VIII, even if she didn't design it? Anyone else remember? Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 20 03:53:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK8rsKI003809 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:53:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAK8rYAM024103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:53:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAK8lggL057379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK8lduc076343; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAK8lacU076142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:47:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.74.47.189] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IuOlW-000730-6G for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:47:30 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071120083219.034bd638@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:47:46 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Was Halloween now 6 Wives and Elizabeth R X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4d9e194-a5fb-44c3-a0f7-49a4c139f3fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4742A08E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:53:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 02:16 20/11/2007, you wrote: > >In a message dated 11/19/2007 9:10:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, >hippy_dippy_dancer@yahoo.com writes: > >I'm sorry, but I have to correct you. The person who made the "Wives" >costumes for the BBC series was not Janet Arnold, but Jean Hunnisett > > >I also THOUGHT Janet Arnold also lectured on the subject, but I could be >wrong. I remember, in the early 1990s, she was making the rounds in >the US, and >I heard her speak on both the Medici Grave Clothes and one other >topic--either it was "Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd" (which of >course we know she wrote >about) OR the wives of Henry VIII. Sorry this is so vague--but I traveled >almost 200 miles to hear her speak on the one she HADN'T spoken on, only to >learn she was repeating one I had already heard. But I >can't remember which was >which! > >Are you SURE she didn't consult on Henry VIII, even if she didn't design it? Oh, yes, I'm very sure. I knew Jean Hunnisett very well, and she got very indignant when people suggested that Janet Arnold had influenced the making of both "Henry" and "Elizabeth", and in fact asked me to make it very clear in an obituary I wrote on her, under her instruction. Janet was researching "QEWU" at the time of Elizabeth, and knew the director's wife, so was invited on set to see how things were. She took loads of photos, which must be somewhere. She and Jean already knew each other through membership of the Costume Society, and Janet offered to make some ruffs, as that was her particular area of research at the time. That was her only involvement in either of the two series, according to Jean. The designer of "The 6 Wives" was John Bloomfield (http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/henry.htm), a theatre designer, ho was still designing when Jean left Glyndebourne a year or so before she died. The designer of "Elizabeth R" was Elizabeth Waller (http://www.pfd.co.uk/clients/wallere/t-cde.html), who I also know, and worked for (the worst ever job) on "Company of Wolves". Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 20 06:06:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAKB6KDV027241 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:06:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAKB5vWg015015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:06:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAKB5Hwm069827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAKB5E1Y073676; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAKB5BAw073562 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c73.1db52c50 (32914) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:04:34 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:04:34 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was Halloween now 6 Wives and Elizabeth R To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 820454f0-cc2f-4f5b-8d98-5924c15f5509 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4742BF95.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:06:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 11/20/2007 3:48:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: She took loads of photos, which must be somewhere. She and Jean already knew each other through membership of the Costume Society, and Janet offered to make some ruffs, as that was her particular area of research at the time. That was her only involvement in either of the two series, according to Jean. Well, if she took loads of photos, maybe she DID lecture on it. Actually, you have awakened some memories from over 15 years ago--I think she did lecture on it, but made no design claims or anything of the sort. (I'm afraid I have to admit that I hadn't heard of Jean Hunnisett back then, so if she was mentioned, it wouldn't have meant anything to me.) And it was the Queen Elizabeth lecture I travelled 200 miles for and then she didn't give it. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 20 09:04:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAKE4hjr010163 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:04:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAKE4NDV030121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:04:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAKE3OIG089832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:03:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAKE3Ka5018651; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:03:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAKE3GnQ018535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.74.47.189] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IuTh0-0001Qj-Vi for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:03:11 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071120135622.034acec0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:03:29 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Was Halloween now 6 Wives and Elizabeth R In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a98949f4-3a74-4187-95ec-5a5c5449fc39 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4742E967.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:04:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 11:04 20/11/2007, you wrote: > >In a message dated 11/20/2007 3:48:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >She took loads of photos, which must be somewhere. She and Jean >already knew each other through membership of the Costume Society, >and Janet offered to make some ruffs, as that was her particular area >of research at the time. That was her only involvement in either of >the two series, according to Jean. > > > > >Well, if she took loads of photos, maybe she DID lecture on it. Actually, >you have awakened some memories from over 15 years ago--I think she did >lecture on it, but made no design claims or anything of the >sort. (I'm afraid I >have to admit that I hadn't heard of Jean Hunnisett back then, so if she was >mentioned, it wouldn't have meant anything to me.) And it was the Queen >Elizabeth lecture I travelled 200 miles for and then she didn't give it. > It is possible that it was a lecture on "Costume in a Theatrical Context". (not her title).This was something Janet found very interesting, and went frequently to the theatre. She happily suspended disbelief about historical accuracy, something I can do in theatre but not on film! She used to do a lecture on how you could date a movie simply by looking at the costume design, make-up and wigs, and particularly hats. (Gainsborough hats in 16th and 17th century movies were a particular source of amusement, I remember!) I saw and heard most of the lectures she gave, as she would try them out on us at college, and I would regularly travel to hear her if possible, although not 200 miles! They varied very little, as she had all the slides and notes together, and could just pick up the appropriate one as required. (A treasure trove for someone to inherit - don't I wish that was me?!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 20 22:12:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAL3CcLE032482 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:12:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAL3BqX6007160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:12:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAL3BDEi044990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAL3B5f5075303; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:11:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAL3B2li075257 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so398449ana for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:11:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; bh=6hgxs8o2LwIT07Uih6Z+QA1+9cEi0jObum1E6S478Vg=; b=W2moK5o4Tq4YxpLu4oVrwGrJdL4zSz9E8UIa3jGYfW3GKm37hMRs3D22yhaO2XHqm5lIxntkoPSkLickHvOc8bE32MtcqC9BgEVEKVY+JdE9u6mwnBSHELvy2tqCUZM/jvFZ/ZSAAnTUqXE/YPO7B78DpNVICFUXpJPhR9ocKN0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id; b=n0EKFwMOw/yeY5kgISQ9A0oxM7aoN5uw5Qpq59Wu/bWgsZJoCFrktEuMbRxaGhWKm/x7icOF4vTHXWmtxvEJrm5lG9Tl/EmeL1jM3b+cbRmhWWQA/G9W1TUK4AYAasIgzi0yl0Nled+zrto2Wb+NiDUNlLu85zqex/eWDprlRV8= Received: by 10.101.66.14 with SMTP id t14mr8695775ank.1195614662380; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [124.254.92.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o33sm8356287rog.2007.11.20.19.10.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:10:59 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:12:43 +1100 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your In-Reply-To: References: <200711141341.lAEDfNDc064853@net.indra.com> <473AAA72.C9FF.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <4743a1c3.21d8480a.3a79.460e@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7c1695e-2453-44be-a4fd-1263c333423a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4743A1F8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:12:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Most of what I thought is more dress accessories but it might be of some use. For earlier in the period I thought of : - wrist clasps - maybe an entry or something parpahenalia commonly hanging off belts like toiletries, shears, keys, knives, amulets, pouches, crystal balls etc - regional variations. I'm thinking particularly of Kent and the different placement of brooches in the grave that some have suggested to indicate a open robe as well as the various influence saxons, anglian, jutes etc had on dress. - coloured veils - dress pins -Then there is: - hooks and eyes - buttons - toggles - pilgrim badges, funerary badges - braids (various techniques used to make them, finishing, gummed edges etc) - ribbons - ecclesiastical garments and clothing of monks, nuns, priests and their changes over the period - servant livery - robes, chains, and badges of office - leather - opus anglicanum - jewellery (brooches, ear rings, finger rings, pendant, necklaces, bracelets etc.) - belt buckles, stap ends Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 10:16:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANFGCm8004257 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:16:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANFFqLY013774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:15:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANFEZMd063661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANFEVnC022514; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:14:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANFESOo022374 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.42]) by bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:14:22 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:14:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:14:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:14:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2007 15:14:22.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[8718BA70:01C82DE3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hello? 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Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 11:08:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANG8tMD005460 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:08:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANG8ZT8004664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANG8AZQ068773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANG88wq077008; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANG85Lp076980 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:08:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so1857861wri for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:08:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=nvOG47UjIimszmP/gF6gSto5pcGoSiwXekTosB/GJAA=; b=l00JsngIAQ4KFdCoH4hPWBVXr8QRQlMRwOm7w/1x6SfdFg3AtosiVCDGg8Sa5ZKJvE2SiTEvrhm1Q/EmtBxfFxR8xD2O/51uuNFXPu6zOI3R8UVTpScJxvod4UdGK3Be3A1yz1RaFtuF1MG78Rv4JAr7N3Lys5Sv7RQyItmblhE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=P5dpm4KuCOzAVJyIuL6alOXcQcRxgUJW0fyMLiXvPNu1Sj9O5oUoGUed0+paIvGQ3e2qirx9eGMLa/BcOQzbxxgzIv9jb4sfhTomMIxNUUsEANE4QQVXE2J1I5MiRbnQLm3QC7XxdQ2vCXjAsFZ5jBhRUHd5gMVNDO0t/awc6oM= Received: by 10.142.237.20 with SMTP id k20mr2645511wfh.1195834084483; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from TheBeast ( [24.128.118.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 43sm2861021wri.2007.11.23.08.08.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:08:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001f01c82dea$f8856cb0$6601a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello? 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Starr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Hello? >I have not been receiving any email from the list lately, could someone let >me know if this goes through. :0) > > Thanks! > > Sheridan P > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 12:05:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANH5uPT007226 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:05:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANH5at2012837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANH4sFM074535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:04:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANH4ksa032390; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:04:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANH4ggC032219 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:04:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cac.203fa4b9 (41811) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:04:20 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:04:20 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:05:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear list, Since the traffic has been light, and we assume people are busy, I'll kick off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? I'm making dresses for my granddaughters--I was inspired by some very expensive dresses in an upscale children's shop in Las Vegas--I can make something like that, I said. Well, the original intent was to use what was in my stash, but one of the pieces of fabric was so badly off grain (it has a printed design) that I just couldn't use it, and what I bought instead didn't match color-wise, and I didn't have enough of another; so, after my 4th trip to JoAnn's this afternoon, I'll be about done. But I do have enough trims in my stash, and some usable fabrics. The dresses have a print bodice, solid white skirt, and dark solid sleeves--one is navy blue, one red. The skirt has three rows of assorted trim in white and the color, the sleeve has another white trim around the edge, and each also has yet another trim around the neckline. The red and white one is almost done and is shaping up nicely. The navy bodice is done, but the 4th trip to JoAnn's is for skirt fabric for it. After this, I'm done sewing again for a while. Ann Wass **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 12:24:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANHOlxZ007590 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:24:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANHOQ12006989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:24:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANHMpYs076543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:22:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANHMoQe052619; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lANHMlT8052472 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:22:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABDWQDCZABFSANS for (sender ); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:22:31 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgkQpM3McXV8NgAe7Z1g8QPA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id M49FHV7J; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:21:29 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:21:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Message-ID: <20071123.092105.1232.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-45,48-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 20:10:2716308485 X-MAIL-INFO: 1b00e4f1e4705970595049b061a979d5818160ad75a110842dd59064a4e1e52984e984e06d205949d1f1f98de151e4b1b130381538796d34b504b579c11479c18001c180516d2454d160f4c4545d1d09f4555da519ed5d38112134e93485d98074c13401 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 535cef9f-42bb-4a1a-8f42-48df4c3b0a03 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47470CCA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:24:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm embarking on making blackwork kits for my granddaughters. They're old enough to learn now. :-) Arlys On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:04:20 EST AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > Dear list, > Since the traffic has been light, and we assume people are busy, > I'll kick > off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? > > I'm making dresses for my granddaughters--I was inspired by some > very > expensive dresses in an upscale children's shop in Las Vegas--I can > make something > like that, I said. Well, the original intent was to use what was > in my > stash, but one of the pieces of fabric was so badly off grain (it > has a printed > design) that I just couldn't use it, and what I bought instead > didn't match > color-wise, and I didn't have enough of another; so, after my 4th > trip to > JoAnn's this afternoon, I'll be about done. But I do have enough > trims in my > stash, and some usable fabrics. The dresses have a print bodice, > solid white > skirt, and dark solid sleeves--one is navy blue, one red. The skirt > has three > rows of assorted trim in white and the color, the sleeve has another > white trim > around the edge, and each also has yet another trim around the > neckline. > The red and white one is almost done and is shaping up nicely. The > navy bodice > is done, but the 4th trip to JoAnn's is for skirt fabric for it. > > After this, I'm done sewing again for a while. > > Ann Wass > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001 ) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 12:24:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANHOmWi007593 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:24:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANHORMm003027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:24:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANHNoCC076666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:23:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANHNnks053527; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:23:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lANHNUR6053166 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 8485 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2007 17:23:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lt+MDaAHwVlQcuE3KKuw2rEMkoKOmBFytCHwybJvSyBUrYfkMGs2Cn/MoLZxm3VUHvz4zqZSB5kvsk1iqBtXQu2TJ6f3YjSZ09pLV4mfm9s8b4S9UadH84RpC+MeYIeGzmsEpjUN/DDh0ct0h158leVMkrTzUB6vvXRFwemlIsw=; X-YMail-OSG: WrIvloAVM1ms8Wz2XXbs73AcjWPNIFCBIwLXN2hodmVx0fHi6puMJRkNLiU4zmiz6ha0rI5jdQ-- Received: from [68.252.48.115] by web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:23:25 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <113919.7713.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e04e00a1-8580-4a3e-b922-94deea1d486f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47470CCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:24:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm not yet to the gift sewing phase - right now I'm concentrating on getting through my youngest son's Eagle ceremony tomorrow. My folks are headed to a month in India over Christmas, so we had our big family get together this weekend and combined Thanksgiving and Eagle and a couple birthdays. A bit overkill, but given the way our family comes and goes, necessary. I will start on the gifts next week - Promise. I only have a couple things that didn't get finished last year. :-) Then Ansel wants a new Frobisuit for Bristol next year and he definitely needs a couple of new shirts and I need to finish the demi-cape..... Rebecca --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Dear list, > Since the traffic has been light, and we assume > people are busy, I'll kick > off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 13:26:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANIQHKb009043 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:26:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANIPtBt002855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:25:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANIPAOX085531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:25:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANIP7WM022190; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANIP3Ab022044 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W5 ([65.55.133.40]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:24:58 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.217.175.174] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:26:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:23:25 -0800> From: ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net> Su= bject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts?> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC= : >> Then Ansel wants a new Frobisuit for Bristol next year =20 A what? =20 Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_1120= 07= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 14:12:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJCpmn010224 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:12:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANJCUw0022947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:12:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANJBxf5090658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:11:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJBwsl071046; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJBsqZ070891 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=g2PMwZDmKHGZy5295Hxg32UagmkF5O6Wm87SgJlMcwJUSXDWiGmad51y31ypdccE; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.126.143.145] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1IvdwL-0006Sh-Ch for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:11:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <113919.7713.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:09:10 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c634de4442d91ce19ff7c8e3bd520ea81350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.126.143.145 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Frobisuit (WAS: Busy making holiday gifts?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 817b8ddd-1621-43c4-9b62-0ac3652d4875 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4747261E.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:12:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:24 AM, zelda crusher wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:23:25 -0800> From: >> ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making >> holiday gifts?> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: >> Then Ansel wants a >> new Frobisuit for Bristol next year > > A what? My guess would be that Bristol = Bristol Renaissance Faire Frobi = Sir Martin Frobisher (if I'm remembering the name right) suit = outfit Good guess? ____________________________________________________________ O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford + Chris Laning Guild of St. George, Northern California http://paternosters.blogspot.com - http://paternoster-row.org ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 14:30:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJUpkO010600 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:30:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANJUVmU008392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:30:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANJTiDT093381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJTfeO090165; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail04.imt.uwm.edu (mail04.imt.uwm.edu [129.89.7.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANFNTCN031357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:23:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jab@uwm.edu) Received: from [129.89.154.215] (dhcp-154-215.doce.uwm.edu [129.89.154.215]) by mail04.imt.uwm.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANFNThb005020 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:23:29 -0600 Message-ID: <4746F06C.3040305@uwm.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:23:24 -0600 From: Julie Brautigan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello? - reply References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: efce76c0-8b58-4255-b931-452b0cc428a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47472A57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Julie Shane Sheridan Chabot wrote: > I have not been receiving any email from the list lately, could > someone let me know if this goes through. :0) > > Thanks! > > Sheridan P > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 14:32:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJW6eH010636 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:32:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANJVjep030828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:31:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANJULJC093556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:30:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJUL9d091030; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta15.adelphia.net (mta15.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANFasl1044523 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:36:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.83.0]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20071123153649.ZEUA12282.mta15.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:36:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello? 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Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Hello? >I have not been receiving any email from the list lately, could someone let >me know if this goes through. :0) > > Thanks! > > Sheridan P > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 14:38:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJceGD010750 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:38:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANJcKCV003312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:38:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANJbxnY094452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJbx16099099; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:37:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJbt2d098950 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.44]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:37:50 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:37:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:37:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.223.71.45] X-Originating-Email: [shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <200711231558.lANFweZ3067663@net.indra.com> From: "Shane Sheridan Chabot" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello? 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Thanks everyone! >From: Genie Barrett >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hello? >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:58:30 -0600 > >At 09:14 AM 11/23/2007, you wrote: >>I have not been receiving any email from the list lately, could someone >>let me know if this goes through. :0) >> >>Thanks! >> >>Sheridan P > > >Got it, everyone must be busy.. > >Genie > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 15:43:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANKhad4012281 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:43:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANKhFaN018222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:43:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANJVaYV093798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:31:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJVZqO092615; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANJDgFb072799 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:13:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sjpaterson@eastlink.ca) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JRZ00COE428WLN0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:13:20 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-137-68-62.eastlink.ca (HELO dickbcbd0c45c9) ([24.137.68.62]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:13:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:13:20 -0400 From: Sarah Paterson Subject: RE: [h-cost] Frobisuit (WAS: Busy making holiday gifts?) 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Sarah Paterson -----Original Message----- My guess would be that Bristol = Bristol Renaissance Faire Frobi = Sir Martin Frobisher (if I'm remembering the name right) suit = outfit Good guess? ____________________________________________________________ O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford + Chris Laning Guild of St. George, Northern California http://paternosters.blogspot.com - http://paternoster-row.org ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 16:01:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANL1O2X012758 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:01:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANL12AY030719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:01:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANL0UMR009126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:00:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANL0SKu088815; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:00:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lANL0PwQ088683 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:00:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 20587 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 21:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:00:18 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:01:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm making blackwork rushnyki (icon scarves) for friends at church (progress can be seen at my flickr page below), in between nursing = orphan kittens and now trying to housebreak a very cute puppy with no clue = about "inside" and "outside"... I don't think I'm going to finish my Christmas presents by Christmas. = I think some may turn into Theophany (12th Night) presents, and nameday presents, and birthday presents.... THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:04 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Dear list, Since the traffic has been light, and we assume people are busy, I'll = kick =20 off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? =20 I'm making dresses for my granddaughters--I was inspired by some very =20 expensive dresses in an upscale children's shop in Las Vegas--I can make something=20 like that, I said. Well, the original intent was to use what was in my = stash, but one of the pieces of fabric was so badly off grain (it has a printed=20 design) that I just couldn't use it, and what I bought instead didn't = match color-wise, and I didn't have enough of another; so, after my 4th trip = to =20 JoAnn's this afternoon, I'll be about done. But I do have enough trims = in my=20 stash, and some usable fabrics. The dresses have a print bodice, solid white=20 skirt, and dark solid sleeves--one is navy blue, one red. The skirt = has three=20 rows of assorted trim in white and the color, the sleeve has another = white trim=20 around the edge, and each also has yet another trim around the = neckline. =20 The red and white one is almost done and is shaping up nicely. The = navy bodice=20 is done, but the 4th trip to JoAnn's is for skirt fabric for it. =20 After this, I'm done sewing again for a while. =20 Ann Wass **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's = hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=3Daoltop000300000000= 01) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 16:03:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANL38Ia012794 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:03:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANL2l1S031082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANL2UxR009369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANL2Tft090950; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.kp.org (imp12.kp.org [162.119.242.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANL2PCR090878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org) Received: from ktazp598.kp.org ([172.21.128.151]) by mail.kp.org with ESMTP id lANH6UeL004077 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:24 -0800 Received: from cscrdngat001.crdc.KP.ORG by ktazp598 with ESMTP for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:19 -0800 From: Sunshine.K.Buchler@kp.org To: h-costume@indra.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:02:15 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CRDC-GWY01/GSVR/KAIPERM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/23/2007 01:03:41 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-KP: PPSAV - [172.21.128.151] - 2007-11-23 - 13:02:25 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sunshine K Buchler is out of the office. 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I am out of the office for Thanksgiving, if you have an urgent request, call me at 510-882-4399. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 17:06:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANM64AA014308 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:06:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANM5iiI005353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:05:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANM53pH015508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANM50gO047394; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANM4uPY047256 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:04:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cb4.22f8b7fe (39329) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:04:47 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:04:46 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5044 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c5600a4-41f6-4a2f-85bd-0211af640446 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 47474EB8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:05:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 11/23/2007 4:01:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, fathallas@collinscom.net writes: I'm making blackwork rushnyki (icon scarves) for friends at church (progress can be seen at my flickr page below), Good heavens! How ambitious! I don't know how others feel about making multiples--one year, I decided, since money was tight, to make our three ministers identical pieced stoles--I had all the silk at home already in all the liturgical colors--red, green, purple, and cream. I worked out my pattern, and the first one was fun, But by the time I got to the third one! Knew I had to keep going, but I really didn't want to. Ann Wass **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 17:19:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANMJsrS014633 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:19:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANMJVji014332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANMJ3MU016960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:19:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANMJ22b059426; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lANMJ016059311 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:19:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 24568 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 22:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:18:51 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c82e1e$d2b7b310$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcguHQCo2+GJ2LGUQKOPKMJZbuI4kQAAQAAg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 249982a3-6f62-4a25-8c90-d6866b0b43dd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474751F3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:19:38 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Heh. I think the word may be "nuts", at least in my case...or at = least biting off more than I want to chew. I can't do multiples of the same pattern - I get bored just doing the same pattern on two ends of these scarves!=20 Every one - if ever ever I finish them - will be different, and = therefore I will still like them when I'm finished. I've been offered goof money for custom pieces, but I find I just = can't get into the embroidery if I HAVE to do it. Guess if I'm ever gonna get rich (hah!) will have to do the work first, and sell it later.... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 3:05 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? =20 In a message dated 11/23/2007 4:01:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, =20 Good heavens! How ambitious! =20 I don't know how others feel about making multiples--one year, I = decided, =20 since money was tight, to make our three ministers identical pieced stoles--I =20 had all the silk at home already in all the liturgical colors--red, = green, =20 purple, and cream. I worked out my pattern, and the first one was fun, But by=20 the time I got to the third one! Knew I had to keep going, but I = really=20 didn't want to. =20 Ann Wass **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's = hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=3Daoltop000300000000= 01) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 17:20:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANMKJKj014647 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:20:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lANMJwHT013343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:20:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lANMJeo0016983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lANMJe7H059951; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lANMJaEP059811 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:19:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 25241 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 22:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:19:30 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:19:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c82e1e$e9d07af0$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <20071123.092105.1232.0.Cley@juno.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcguDWjuW1iBoje/Rk6Q5lpvK8ZqdQAEXFew X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd32375a-0113-4ab0-bcfe-03cc8815024e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4747520E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:20:02 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Ooo, fun! And what good taste in techniques to learn! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:21 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? I'm embarking on making blackwork kits for my granddaughters. They're old enough to learn now. :-) Arlys On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:04:20 EST AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > Dear list, > Since the traffic has been light, and we assume people are busy, > I'll kick > off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? > > I'm making dresses for my granddaughters--I was inspired by some > very > expensive dresses in an upscale children's shop in Las Vegas--I can > make something > like that, I said. Well, the original intent was to use what was > in my > stash, but one of the pieces of fabric was so badly off grain (it > has a printed > design) that I just couldn't use it, and what I bought instead > didn't match > color-wise, and I didn't have enough of another; so, after my 4th > trip to > JoAnn's this afternoon, I'll be about done. But I do have enough > trims in my > stash, and some usable fabrics. The dresses have a print bodice, > solid white > skirt, and dark solid sleeves--one is navy blue, one red. The skirt > has three > rows of assorted trim in white and the color, the sleeve has another > white trim > around the edge, and each also has yet another trim around the > neckline. > The red and white one is almost done and is shaping up nicely. The > navy bodice > is done, but the 4th trip to JoAnn's is for skirt fabric for it. > > After this, I'm done sewing again for a while. > > Ann Wass > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001 ) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 19:25:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO0PcTx017464 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:25:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO0PG6H025216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:25:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO0NIK4029699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:23:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO0NFRt067815; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:23:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO0NB35067716 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:23:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.bfd.2264a75f (34958) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA067-888e47476ee8262; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:23:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000201c82e13$d9a00b60$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> References: <000201c82e13$d9a00b60$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:23:02 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b45c8674-8c5e-4caf-9b08-eb8dc1b8e2e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 47476F6C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:25:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SARE_RECV_PATMEDIA,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Magnificent! Thanks for sharing. Susan "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. On Nov 23, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Frank A Thallas Jr wrote: > I'm making blackwork rushnyki (icon scarves) for friends at church > (progress can be seen at my flickr page below), in between nursing > orphan > kittens and now trying to housebreak a very cute puppy with no clue > about > "inside" and "outside"... > I don't think I'm going to finish my Christmas presents by > Christmas. > I think some may turn into Theophany (12th Night) presents, and nameday > presents, and birthday presents.... > > > THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO > wildernesse, the Outlands > http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 20:02:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO125P0018171 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:02:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO11ho0028418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:01:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO0xwVJ032389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO0xvoI094218; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:59:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO0xrvR094096 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:01:31 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C82E35.8CE3B287" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hello? Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A8FA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A8FA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Hello? Thread-Index: Acgt4/0OqU3vhn5CQ06ogmFY+nww2QAUYl7X References: From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2007 01:01:31.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CFE0060:01C82E35] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 839c1af8-e1c1-480c-a769-d65fb25a2197 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474777F7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:01:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82E35.8CE3B287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got it. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Shane Sheridan Chabot Sent: Fri 11/23/2007 10:14 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Hello? I have not been receiving any email from the list lately, could someone = let me know if this goes through. :0) Thanks! Sheridan P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82E35.8CE3B287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82E35.8CE3B287-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 20:06:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO16wq9018245 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:06:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO16bVC014990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:06:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO151JV032938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO150N0097951; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:05:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO14vaT097857 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:06:34 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C82E36.41D7D597" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:06:12 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A8FB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A8FB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Thread-Index: Acgt9fPdER5lHx4JTkKJvifQpLHcpAAQEDZi References: <113919.7713.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2007 01:06:34.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[41F276E0:01C82E36] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31ac841b-0056-43de-81e2-2a269b8207f3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4747791D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:06:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82E36.41D7D597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations to you & your son on his Eagle. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Fri 11/23/2007 12:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? I'm not yet to the gift sewing phase - right now I'm concentrating on getting through my youngest son's Eagle ceremony tomorrow. My folks are headed to a month in India over Christmas, so we had our big family get together this weekend and combined Thanksgiving and Eagle and a couple birthdays. A bit overkill, but given the way our family comes and goes, necessary. I will start on the gifts next week - Promise. I only have a couple things that didn't get finished last year. :-) Then Ansel wants a new Frobisuit for Bristol next year and he definitely needs a couple of new shirts and I need to finish the demi-cape..... Rebecca --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Dear list, > Since the traffic has been light, and we assume > people are busy, I'll kick=20 > off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat = folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82E36.41D7D597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82E36.41D7D597-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 20:31:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO1VNID018907 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:31:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO1UwwC029303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:31:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO1SvXA034663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:28:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO1SstM014620; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO1Sokq014522 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY128-W18 ([65.55.133.53]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:28:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.217.175.174] From: zelda crusher To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Frobisuit (WAS: Busy making holiday gifts?) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:28:44 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <113919.7713.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2007 01:28:45.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AD57010:01C82E39] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc9de68c-859d-4863-beae-15a745f60556 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 47477ED2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:31:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO LOL! That would explain why I got NUTHIN' when I googled "Frobisuit"! Laurie> From: claning@igc.org> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:09:10 -0800> To: h= -costume@indra.com> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] Frobisuit (WAS: Busy making hol= iday gifts?)> > > On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:24 AM, zelda crusher wrote:> > >> = >> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:23:25 -0800> From: > >> ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.n= et> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making > >> holiday gifts?> To: h-costume@in= dra.com> CC: >> Then Ansel wants a > >> new Frobisuit for Bristol next year= > >> > A what?> > > My guess would be that> Bristol =3D Bristol Renaissance= Faire> Frobi =3D Sir Martin Frobisher (if I'm remembering the name right)>= suit =3D outfit> > Good guess?> __________________________________________= __________________> O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford> + Chr= is Laning > Guild of St. George, Northern California> http= ://paternosters.blogspot.com - http://paternoster-row.org> ________________= ____________________________________________> > > _________________________= ______________________> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> h= ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE= ! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_1120= 07= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 21:27:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO2RBUv019868 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:27:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO2Qox6030694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:26:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO2QIbG038299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:26:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO2QHRX057498; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO2QDZq057366 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:26:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAO2Q7Tp026155 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:26:07 +0000 Received: from 72.211.209.87 (SquirrelMail authenticated user bazizi) by webmail.adcom.uci.edu with HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:26:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1143.72.211.209.87.1195871167.squirrel@webmail.adcom.uci.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:26:07 -0800 (PST) From: bazizi@uci.edu To: h-costume@mail.indra.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] TROPICAL WEIGHT WOOL X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff1c0f8d-a6cc-4cb4-a338-9aa9c47cc76c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47478BEA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:26:55 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have had good luck finding reasonably priced tropical weight wool from fashionfabrics.com They have been reliable and occasionally have some great sales. I have also had pretty good luck dying the light weight wool just using Rit dye. A lot of times they have tan or something kind of bland.Be careful with ordering velvet from them though. That was the only time I was disappointed with their fabric. Beverly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 22:01:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO31GoU020523 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:01:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO30sSj017563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:00:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO30Mf1040299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:00:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO30KPI086627; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:00:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO30Gob086518 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C2510EAC1 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:00:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <474793CE.3060001@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:00:30 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:00:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Dear list, > Since the traffic has been light, and we assume people are busy, I'll kick > off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? > No, we're enjoying a self indulgent, quiet weekend at home pigging out on turkey and cranberry salad, and planning a tropical cruise. :) I wish I had a sewing project, but I got so burned out over Halloween that it will be a while before I spend time in the sewing room again. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 23:03:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO43raX022244 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:03:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO43WVs011073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:03:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO42pnR044635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:02:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO42nt4027611; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:02:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAO0HWOb063969 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 98101 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2007 00:17:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1iONFCHl2S/7R1d7oXxuangz8oj/0FxKqj8u6jbjArGwPeZhVG21YA792AMdvYVj+qZztENxaPjwOu9cN/hd2JRWjM+lxXT3pmStXf1p4i+3du800eV5+1KdZoJe1K77hHcvtEhmZkSm2rcADhvZq9BR9LtyJkl6S75cwerLcDQ=; X-YMail-OSG: ij1bXF0VM1lPlq04f6.ZrMbdJMHt8eGCArW5p6XBCwmVPo2uF19WfrZBKbAKTQLQDzsyGx6Z8Uw9lhuiGcVRM9oXtlrPWC9XoJbTUdfJWrv5nfGpx4Q- Received: from [68.252.48.115] by web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:17:27 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:17:27 -0800 (PST) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Frobisuit (WAS: Busy making holiday gifts?) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <389410.96369.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68058a48-790b-41ce-a939-fb1162dee759 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4747A294.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:03:37 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DIET_1,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Exactly right!! I was running through the list in my head and didn't stop to think that most folks wouldn't know what a Frobisuit was. You can see it here - he's the one in gold/red, waving at the camera http://robynsroost.com/brf07/week7/brf046.jpg standing at the far right http://robynsroost.com/brf07/week3/brf116.jpg His current garb has been through 2 hard years of use and he lost weight over his stay in York, so now it doesn't fit well. My problem is - once again - finding fabric. I lucked into the the tropical weight wool crepe I used last time. Not having the same luck this go around. I mostly like living way out in the country, but times like this I would kill to live near a large city with good fabric stores. Wal-Mart and JoAnn's just don't cut it. Rebecca --- Chris Laning wrote: > > On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:24 AM, zelda crusher wrote: > > > > >> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:23:25 -0800> From: > >> ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] > Busy making > >> holiday gifts?> To: h-costume@indra.com> CC: >> > Then Ansel wants a > >> new Frobisuit for Bristol next year > > > > A what? > > > My guess would be that > Bristol = Bristol Renaissance Faire > Frobi = Sir Martin Frobisher (if I'm remembering > the name right) > suit = outfit > > Good guess? > ____________________________________________________________ > O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford > + Chris Laning > Guild of St. George, Northern California > http://paternosters.blogspot.com - > http://paternoster-row.org > ____________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 23:04:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO44X4e022264 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:04:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO44CWw017186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:04:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO43sWX044755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:03:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO43sEm028413; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:03:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO2uZod083414 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:56:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3359110EAC1 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:56:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <474792F0.5080106@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:56:48 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] TROPICAL WEIGHT WOOL References: <1143.72.211.209.87.1195871167.squirrel@webmail.adcom.uci.edu> In-Reply-To: <1143.72.211.209.87.1195871167.squirrel@webmail.adcom.uci.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ad8ec7a-6c3f-4a86-84e4-3b034e72225f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4747A2BC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:04:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO bazizi@uci.edu wrote: > I have had good luck finding reasonably priced tropical weight wool from > fashionfabrics.com They have been reliable and occasionally have some > great sales. I have also had pretty good luck dying the light weight wool > just using Rit dye. A lot of times they have tan or something kind of > bland.Be careful with ordering velvet from them though. That was the only > time I was disappointed with their fabric. That's the major problem with ordering over the internet, you never really know what you're getting until it arrives. And with places like FashionFabrics, which carry a lot of random bolts left over from fashion manufacturers, you can't be sure that anything you are getting is going to be at all what you expect. Any two wools or velvets are likely to be of completely different origin. Some really good deals there, though, if you're willing to take the chance. :) I haven't seen any nice wools in a long time, an I have lousy luck trying to dye anything. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 23 23:19:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO4Jt6J022603 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:19:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAO4JWpP029587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:19:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAO4IunQ046320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAO4Ita9038417; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:18:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAO4Iqpr038338 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 22802 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 04:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:18:38 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:18:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c82e51$15da0ee0$b40d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcguSruaCbIyVOb7RCyH0ABDIioRcwABfwXg Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9732d49-f1ae-426b-b837-567ccafa82f6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4747A654.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:19:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks! I may have to go to "minirushnyki" (sized for one icon instead of a group) if I hope to finish any more, sigh.... But then I'd get to do many many more patterns! Liadain Whose clutter has gone past creative into downright "artistic"... THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Magnificent! Thanks for sharing. Susan "Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 24 10:52:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAOFqMC1023577 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAOFq0pm013310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAOFpA13008146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:51:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAOFp45E064628; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:51:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAOFp1Hr064501 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:39 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C82EB2.0A4F249F" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:50:34 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A8FD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A8FD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Thread-Index: AcguSruaCbIyVOb7RCyH0ABDIioRcwABfwXgABhCAGQ= References: <000a01c82e51$15da0ee0$b40d140a@edwardstepobxw> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2007 15:52:39.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A69C760:01C82EB2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c985cc25-577e-471f-b205-669d6a5908f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 474848A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82EB2.0A4F249F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings Liadain, =20 What's the next step past artistic - I think I'm there. Currently, even = the sewing macine is buried. (Maybe that's two steps beyond.) =20 Ceit=20 ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Fri 11/23/2007 11:18 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Liadain Whose clutter has gone past creative into downright "artistic"... THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82EB2.0A4F249F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82EB2.0A4F249F-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 24 17:36:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAOMaA4Y031936 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:36:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAOMZmh3025795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAOMZ8lQ059153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAOMZ3o5059522; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:35:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.79]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAOMYxam059381 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from waddiejean@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 98526 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 19:44:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cmYpNgq0lDkDXPRv9pWLsya7fIISO3ojVbNe03L9IbWOijAqLFI6WzbDxKVwitrWaKhXsokT/6gKJOGzUSAgefu7AD9knJ0Ptug/l6wHdPHyeXbGZ4qqyGYPl7058noHhDlj2zm9x/fCfa4Ld4QffjwsO6PdljeABjhAd9mrdZo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (waddiejean@90.207.151.135 with plain) by smtp010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 19:44:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oP2bu.8VM1mHP.g3gt8ZM9tqnifYp4hv.0Z0guMGmDpz2udQDtg3IF1ehkXe.V.lHdw- Message-ID: <47487F0B.2000704@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:44:11 +0000 From: Jean Waddie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? References: <000201c82e13$d9a00b60$920d140a@edwardstepobxw> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 307ad15c-201a-4b5f-8764-45c24f14d655 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4748A744.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have just had a week off work making curtains for the new house. I'm pretty pleased - two pairs of muslins, two pairs of full curtains, and two pairs for our two garden sheds, to stop people seeing what we are keeping in there. We've spent today putting up new poles and hanging the curtains - the people before us had only white blinds and thin curtains, it's so much cosier now! I have to go back to work on Monday - pooh! JEan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Nov 24 20:54:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAP1sApJ002576 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:54:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAP1rn4S003139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:53:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAP1r4iw076243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAP1r1aK003098; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAP1qvNS003015 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:52:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 23222 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 01:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:52:51 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:52:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c82f05$e2652300$7b0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A8FD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcguSruaCbIyVOb7RCyH0ABDIioRcwABfwXgABhCAGQAFP6N0A== Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de4b89c5-c9dd-4818-a5cc-f95ad8fed9e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4748D5AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:53:54 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Heh. You win. I can see my sewing machine. However, I do NOT have a place to plug it in. Liadain Having just returned from venturing to town, and buying MORE stuff THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:51 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Greetings Liadain, What's the next step past artistic - I think I'm there. Currently, even the sewing macine is buried. (Maybe that's two steps beyond.) Ceit ________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 06:47:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPBlidL019393 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:47:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPBlKI0026292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:47:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPBkdWR030367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPBka4j080616; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPBkW89080530 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:46:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200711251146.lAPBkW89080530@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Gzlu1Y0040vyq2s0500100; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:46:28 +0000 Received: from Stuckis.comcast.net ([71.207.13.57]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GzmU1Y0011DrWf30300000; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:46:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9vvZeefHo84A:10 a=REKBSNZtFmRXvd39gukA:9 a=mOY5m_gGq6_nVSSqcmmi0i996f0A:4 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:46:32 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? In-Reply-To: <001a01c82f05$e2652300$7b0d140a@edwardstepobxw> References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A8FD@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <001a01c82f05$e2652300$7b0d140a@edwardstepobxw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a1b88fc-0f00-4528-8dfe-1332a8033f2c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474960C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:47:27 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 08:52 PM 11/24/2007, you wrote: > Heh. You win. I can see my sewing machine. However, I do NOT have a >place to plug it in. > >Liadain >Having just returned from venturing to town, and buying MORE stuff I'm still working on my embroidered Elizabethan commission and cursing my embroidery machine for dying so I have to do this embroidery BY HAND (and it's elaborate, too.) But just yesterday, the new motor arrived for my Singer 99K so at least part of today will be spent plugging that little beauty in and playing with it! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 08:55:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPDtVPn021045 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:55:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPDt8gg024451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:55:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPDsYFO046287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPDsUFT088031; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPDsQuu087885 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:54:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:56:04 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C82F6A.EB98E97F" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? 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Thread-Index: AcguSruaCbIyVOb7RCyH0ABDIioRcwABfwXgABhCAGQAFP6N0AAZRDcL References: <001a01c82f05$e2652300$7b0d140a@edwardstepobxw> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2007 13:56:04.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBC42BC0:01C82F6A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea2b87c9-c15d-4154-b5e1-e2b2fedeb2e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 47497EBC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:55:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82F6A.EB98E97F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe a breaker bar and a loooog extension cord? =20 Ceit ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Sat 11/24/2007 8:52 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Heh. You win. I can see my sewing machine. However, I do NOT have a place to plug it in. Liadain Having just returned from venturing to town, and buying MORE stuff THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82F6A.EB98E97F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82F6A.EB98E97F-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 09:01:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPE10cn021110 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:01:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPE0cEd019937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:00:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPE0IUt047022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPE0HnM092988; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:00:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPE0EJm092889 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [12.173.106.217] ([12.173.106.217:49358] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.23 r(18304)) with ESMTP id 37/94-07887-6EF79474 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:00:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200711241900.lAOJ03gR065451@net.indra.com> References: <200711241900.lAOJ03gR065451@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:00:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] CC 2009 whine... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ee000a10-37c0-48a3-a082-0e53ee607122 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47498006.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:00:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO So I went to Darkover Grand Council (had a great time! Saw people, got cool books...) and got the flyer for CC in 2009...in Baltimore!! Yah!!! on the first weekend in May!!!! WAHHAAAAAAAA!! That is Maryland Sheep and Wool Festival weekend. So once again I'll be missing CC and it's right in my backyard >grumph< Please could those in charge look and see what might just conflict the next time they plan an event. Please? Ta Carol, Fri, getting ready, Mon not mobile before the whole shebang ends :-( -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 09:57:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPEv1QQ021955 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:57:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPEudIQ027335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:56:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPEtxil053538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:55:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPEtskm044981; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:55:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAPEtojH044876 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:55:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 16223 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2007 14:55:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=baC2N54C1UGUA7ujvB7qYes9QTL6296RabCovDtEixQFozG7MchJXo+Eh1t8PvmBdFtoIebMZ8KzIA5l7mAl9b/7AiwACxpqLYUPkYgxPUBYFr+4T0zHh/M4Igo4uxp66ZddGfDG/RLewv7SYGU6p8svnfyLgN2pNpq+4mj9BiM=; X-YMail-OSG: IdM42b0VM1mN5JxvRPuPVkUW._qxQL7ioh0fJ602QnD1rSv5QpzpdbgpN6kCrvKm1K1WxDGRWA-- Received: from [87.244.69.237] by web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:55:44 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:55:44 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <439137.15709.qm@web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Darkover " group? - was CC 2009 whine... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 324fe34b-7f85-4b68-92cf-d91bb1546428 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47498D28.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:56:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO cahuff wrote: So I went to Darkover Grand Council (had a great time! Saw people, got cool books...) COMMENT Darkover Grand Council? I have the feeling I may be missing something! I'm a great fan of MZB's "Darkover" Novels. Is there a Role-playing participatory group [like the SCA] for "Darkover Series" enthusiasts? If so, someone please send me the URL for the Home Page - so I can take a look and see what "Darkover" enthusiasts are doing, and where, and with whom. Julian Wilson, in "old" Jersey, [isolated from the world by the English Channel and the Gulf of St. Malo]. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 11:36:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPGaclw023372 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:36:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPGaDs3028128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:36:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPGZSSf069398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPGZOsV044281; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.dns2go.com (mail.dns2go.com [63.149.6.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPGZJc5044024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:35:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kathleen.hanrahan@homenode.us) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([69.223.142.2]) by mail.dns2go.com (VisNetic.MailServer.v8.9.2.0) with ASMTP id EBI57408 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:35:08 -0500 Message-ID: <4749A415.6050707@homenode.us> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:34:29 -0500 From: Kathleen Hanrahan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Darkover " group? - was CC 2009 whine... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:36:22 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Julian, julian wilson wrote: > cahuff wrote: > > So I went to Darkover Grand Council (had a great time! Saw people, > > got cool books...) COMMENT > > Darkover Grand Council? > > If so, someone please send me the URL for the > Home Page - so I can take a look and see what > "Darkover" enthusiasts are doing, and where, > and with whom. I believe that Carol is referring to the Darkover Con which happens annually over the (US) Thanksgiving weekend. It seems to always (that I've heard) take place in Timonium, Maryland (MD) which is on the East Coast, about a half hour drive north of Baltimore, Maryland. In the US, Thanksgiving is the fourth Thursday of November. Here is the URL - http://www.darkovercon.com/ Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 13:28:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPISefQ025763 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:28:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPISGnw029244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:28:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPIRUI0085392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:27:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPIRRue054877; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPIROUP054831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:27:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id lAPIRK56001008 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:27:23 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:27:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <58092.72.13.239.193.1196015243.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <200711241900.lAOJ03gR065451@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:27:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC 2009 whine... From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdc992b0-f476-4e54-93ac-af38e15f18ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4749BEC0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:28:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oh no! The organizers may well have thought the Sheep & Wool fest would be fun for CC participants to see. Not good for people who will be at Sheep & Wool full time, though. You might be able to do some of the evening things at Costume Con, though. -Carol > So I went to Darkover Grand Council (had a great time! Saw people, > got cool books...) > and got the flyer for CC in 2009...in Baltimore!! Yah!!! > on the first weekend in May!!!! WAHHAAAAAAAA!! > That is Maryland Sheep and Wool Festival weekend. > So once again I'll be missing CC and it's right in my backyard >grumph< > Please could those in charge look and see what might just conflict > the next time they plan an event. Please? > Ta > Carol, Fri, getting ready, Mon not mobile before the whole shebang ends > :-( > -- > Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 14:14:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPJEucu026915 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:14:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPJEY6f005977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:14:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPJDxIM090569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:13:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPJDwvQ097412; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:13:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAPJDsUW097307 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 12413 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 19:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:13:48 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:13:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c82f97$4dfc32c0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200711251146.lAPBkW89080530@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgvWO4y9Sbg9QYaRkuYl7OaAucO5gAPgssg Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 679e3873-9933-455f-b556-2cd633c47b15 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4749C99B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:14:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Embroidery? MACHINE?!? What manner of sorcery is THIS? Sounds like you're gonna have fun with the new one, though....someday maybe, when we can plug in more than 2 things in our house without the circuit breakers popping... Liadain Little house on the prairie THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne & Greg Stucki Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:47 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? At 08:52 PM 11/24/2007, you wrote: > Heh. You win. I can see my sewing machine. However, I do NOT have a >place to plug it in. > >Liadain >Having just returned from venturing to town, and buying MORE stuff I'm still working on my embroidered Elizabethan commission and cursing my embroidery machine for dying so I have to do this embroidery BY HAND (and it's elaborate, too.) But just yesterday, the new motor arrived for my Singer 99K so at least part of today will be spent plugging that little beauty in and playing with it! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 14:15:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPJFwuw026943 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:15:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPJFIHB021440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:15:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPJEunB090667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPJEuRa098228; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAPJEq0M098087 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:14:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 13160 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 19:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:14:46 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:14:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c82f97$709306b0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B0262A901@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcguSruaCbIyVOb7RCyH0ABDIioRcwABfwXgABhCAGQAFP6N0AAZRDcLAAsh9SA= Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1449fe3-d8bf-40fb-a455-9687368f872a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4749C9C6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:15:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Yup. Got that just as standard operating procedure. Just no empty outlets any more... Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Maybe a breaker bar and a loooog extension cord? Ceit ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Frank A Thallas Jr Sent: Sat 11/24/2007 8:52 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Heh. You win. I can see my sewing machine. However, I do NOT have a place to plug it in. Liadain Having just returned from venturing to town, and buying MORE stuff THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 15:00:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPK0aJp028227 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:00:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPK0EMX003029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:00:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPJxD8h095420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:59:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPJxAxw042665; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:59:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPJx6F4042534 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:59:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from needlethread96@aol.co.uk) Received: from needlethread96@aol.co.uk by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.c80.1b7ad0c8 (57871) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Webmail-mg08 (webmail-mg08.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.156]) by air-ia02.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINIA21-e20f4749d3ff331; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:55 -0500 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: needlethread96@aol.co.uk X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Email 31361-STANDARD Received: from 213.249.185.161 by Webmail-mg08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.142.156) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:55 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9FDB4BE8CE704-834-6D46@Webmail-mg08.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.142.156 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3367ea07-ff61-4478-bdbd-8a9fa749d744 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4749D44E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:00:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I'm handsewing some baby doll clothes from the 1960's, from?the Simplicity recent re-issues for my daughters Christmas box (or should that be huge stocking?!).? Handsewing them because I am doing jury service, and most of the time is spent waiting around.? Regards Jayne -----Original Message----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 5.04pm Subject: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Dear list, Since the traffic has been light, and we assume people are busy, I'll kick off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? I'm making dresses for my granddaughters--I was inspired by some very expensive dresses in an upscale children's shop in Las Vegas--I can make something like that, I said. Well, the original intent was to use what was in my stash, but one of the pieces of fabric was so badly off grain (it has a printed design) that I just couldn't use it, and what I bought instead didn't match color-wise, and I didn't have enough of another; so, after my 4th trip to JoAnn's this afternoon, I'll be about done. But I do have enough trims in my stash, and some usable fabrics. The dresses have a print bodice, solid white skirt, and dark solid sleeves--one is navy blue, one red. The skirt has three rows of assorted trim in white and the color, the sleeve has another white trim around the edge, and each also has yet another trim around the neckline. The red and white one is almost done and is shaping up nicely. The navy bodice is done, but the 4th trip to JoAnn's is for skirt fabric for it. After this, I'm done sewing again for a while. Ann Wass **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 16:17:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPLHdG7030506 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:17:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPLHGbV031948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:17:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPLG6E8006912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:16:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPLG4h0011788; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAPLFx77011600 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 9439 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 21:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:15:52 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:17:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Oooo, cool project! (And I hope an interesting trial, so you are not too bored...) Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of needlethread96@aol.co.uk Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:59 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? I'm handsewing some baby doll clothes from the 1960's, from?the Simplicity recent re-issues for my daughters Christmas box (or should that be huge stocking?!).? Handsewing them because I am doing jury service, and most of the time is spent waiting around.? Regards Jayne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 16:30:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPLUM5H030915 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:30:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPLTxVL024581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:30:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPLTPiE008735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPLTOve023199; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:29:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAPLTKjT023066 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:29:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 21058 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2007 21:29:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LQ6s5RCCpjrU1FCdLnWwtEUMvBbdp19BM1F7+kb7PAgweWE59L/Y7vvY+eRCZvWwUOaSLUAhkBfJxc7muQxjbiCDiPnnRuTXFEJvo86Met53ghsYxo8Mh4OSbdCwVCu+aC8khsB/kjKUPnr2Rk95t33HyH4MZhCu5F7b78I+rrk=; X-YMail-OSG: CBJTMPcVM1lb91yjcSxHT6Ljlx6C_KKvbyhJpOHfLvaOjdYXoaSoGRUaQnh.NP9EsuAI8HZ5Y2TWg8lCs5dacE3TTKMsJhVL7s7uYjYWNLt1MyOU Received: from [87.244.69.237] by web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:29:14 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:29:14 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Darkover " group? - was CC 2009 whine... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4749A415.6050707@homenode.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <537429.20311.qm@web23115.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3060d4b8-49c5-4127-9429-aa7d984dfc7e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4749E957.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:30:04 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO TYVM, Kathleen. I shall look up that website a.s.a.m.b. So there's even role-playing for MJB Drakover fans? Wonderful. Thanks again, Julian Kathleen Hanrahan wrote: Julian, julian wilson wrote: > cahuff wrote: > > So I went to Darkover Grand Council (had a great time! Saw people, > > got cool books...) COMMENT > > Darkover Grand Council? > > If so, someone please send me the URL for the > Home Page - so I can take a look and see what > "Darkover" enthusiasts are doing, and where, > and with whom. I believe that Carol is referring to the Darkover Con which happens annually over the (US) Thanksgiving weekend. It seems to always (that I've heard) take place in Timonium, Maryland (MD) which is on the East Coast, about a half hour drive north of Baltimore, Maryland. In the US, Thanksgiving is the fourth Thursday of November. Here is the URL - http://www.darkovercon.com/ Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 17:53:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPMrdKw000876 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPMrG7W021811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPMq762019683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPMq4PI094206; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPMq0CP094058 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:52:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200711252252.lAPMq0CP094058@net.indra.com> Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HAmr1Y0020EZKEL0500o00; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:51:55 +0000 Received: from Stuckis.comcast.net ([71.207.13.57]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HAru1Y00H1DrWf30300000; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:51:55 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9vvZeefHo84A:10 a=6eN58EQ32i2P9KzTJJ0A:9 a=yVhUiH8ofODujT51kFYA:7 a=GGiOvJMNi3RosG-6KVDZZM-WKQAA:4 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:51:57 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? In-Reply-To: <000a01c82f97$4dfc32c0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> References: <200711251146.lAPBkW89080530@net.indra.com> <000a01c82f97$4dfc32c0$c30d140a@edwardstepobxw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bab9c14d-3b6f-42a8-9bf1-0d35084227b7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4749FCDC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 02:13 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote: > Embroidery? MACHINE?!? What manner of sorcery is THIS? It is a wondrous thing, this sorcery--except when you have spent months planning out the designs for this outfit (it is for Carnevale in Venice, and accuracy is not a requirement) and then the bloody machine DIES in the middle of it! If I wasn't in a hurry, I'd be enjoying the process, and I'm thinking of making some hand-embroidered garb for myself (in a slightly more leisurely fashion) after I'm done with this but WAAAH I want my machine! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 18:01:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPN1aLc001114 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:01:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAPN1EAw020425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:01:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPN0jQx020215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAPN0ig1000143; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAPN0fQR099944 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 25154 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 23:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:00:35 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:00:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c82fb6$fc612f40$ad0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200711252252.lAPMq0CP094058@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: Acgvte6ttqRx9l9mQ6mn5cPWzFnj0gAANMIg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bd3c1ff-a7c6-484f-8a91-170b70bcbe0a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4749FEBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:01:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Heh. Machines seem to do that, yep. But even by hand, if there's a deadline, something comes up - kittens, puppies, kids, broken body parts.... Liadain Getting ready top watch "Hogfather" on TV in one hour YAY!!!! THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne & Greg Stucki Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? At 02:13 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote: > Embroidery? MACHINE?!? What manner of sorcery is THIS? It is a wondrous thing, this sorcery--except when you have spent months planning out the designs for this outfit (it is for Carnevale in Venice, and accuracy is not a requirement) and then the bloody machine DIES in the middle of it! If I wasn't in a hurry, I'd be enjoying the process, and I'm thinking of making some hand-embroidered garb for myself (in a slightly more leisurely fashion) after I'm done with this but WAAAH I want my machine! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 20:19:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ1JVAt004905 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:19:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAQ1J8QP020723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:19:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQ1HvFF031361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ1HrDY002407; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:17:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ1HmC3002290 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.ce8.1e875949 (32914) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:17:25 -0500 (EST) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:17:25 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Book on Silk Fabrics in Paintings X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ae08a5b-15b8-4148-956a-93b8aff42b2a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474A1F0C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:19:14 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This was in the latest new book listing from Michael Shamansky, and I would like to know if anyone has had a chance to see a copy yet or had heard anything about it (realizing it is not set to come out until February). Thanks, Nancy Catalog Number: 53524 Title: Merchants, Princes and Painters Silk Fabrics in Italian and Northern Paintings, 1300-1550 Author: Monnas, Lisa Price: $75.00 ISBN: 9780300111170 Description: New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2008. 28cm., hardcover, 352pp., 150 color, 100 b&w illus. Covering a period that witnessed the flowering of the Renaissance and the major expansion of the Italian silk industry, this volume examines the Italian silk fabrics depicted in paintings from Italy, England and the Netherlands over the course of 250 years. Through a close study of the workshop practice and techniques of the artists who represented these fabrics, Lisa Monnas offers a masterly evaluation of the paintings as source material for classifying surviving textiles. Dealing with an exceptionally long period, she considers a large number of examples in greater depth than has ever been attempted, and gives particular attention to the identification of historic textile types and their weave structure. Monnas examines a wide range of subjects, including silk as a marker of social status, the material possessions of artists and their ownership of textiles as props, the involvement of painters in silk design, and the repetition and transfer of patterns. She considers the evidence of paintings not only for the veracity with which the silks are depicted but also for their value as a historic source concerning the use of fabrics. Over a period of two and a half centuries, tastes and patterns of consumption altered, and these changes, which can be traced through documentary sources, are reflected in the paintings. The conclusion of this impressive analysis brings the discussion full circle by looking at the reincarnation, during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, of silk patterns taken from late-medieval and renaissance paintings, reproduced as wallpapers or woven as new fabrics (some of which are still in production today). This important and desirable book - beautifully illustrated with many unfamiliar paintings and with surviving fabrics, some of which have never been reproduced before - not only re-evaluates the dating and identification of individual textiles, but also brings fresh insights into the material values of the artists and their clients. Its authoritative and original approach to both fabrics and paintings makes it of inestimable value to historians of textiles, art and material culture alike. ^Available February 2008^. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Nov 25 22:07:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ37T75007524 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:07:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAQ3761c010810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:07:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQ35tJq040748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ35o0A080589; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:05:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ35lHG080547 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:05:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so82239ana for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:05:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=29aZGrpluR1CATDYqJbISYmUUIDWBB5gBg0plc9ts6U=; b=WV8WQPLDukeSFJK227+rlUJPAi9Jc5qAp3zU5s5nIKV3Rj4UcfZRoa3dTTWWfGxZpKGff8PXSKpx8jV7NuBlAlM8Tuxp8ufiZXkVW1b2ZMyenZKQpLjitxLIt6/6oItmY9T4w/wLIY4tva2kmXpvRSx3plOQp4CT7bOiK/J9FxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=jFQtuwrPjkFzNSZAj7pTMEa+929rSmAjBqSJlJrgvbqrRRoVXh8AFHst7+yyhhjWNzbGgHO5uIRTMdFKmltcRLETqD4etvVAwArD1nUFrqbokUdA7bErpZUzY11117khjUWlsBex2K5g0Q8xGFXfU123jSbpauXDL5Sqp+OBiDo= Received: by 10.100.225.19 with SMTP id x19mr2941949ang.1196046347570; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm1752716wrl.2007.11.25.19.05.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:05:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Book on Silk Fabrics in Paintings Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:05:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgvyoyrSZhDa86QSb22fQ6hxQzdxwADhF4Q Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <474a3809.0e0c360a.66a9.ffffcd43@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3900728-8ebd-41b4-aed0-678d9491bc9f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474A385A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:07:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO That would soooo compliment: "The Silk Industry in Renaissance Venice" by Luca Mola It is on my list of books to get. I also would like to know more about the one from Lisa Monnas. :) Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:17 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] New Book on Silk Fabrics in Paintings This was in the latest new book listing from Michael Shamansky, and I would like to know if anyone has had a chance to see a copy yet or had heard anything about it (realizing it is not set to come out until February). Thanks, Nancy Catalog Number: 53524 Title: Merchants, Princes and Painters Silk Fabrics in Italian and Northern Paintings, 1300-1550 Author: Monnas, Lisa Price: $75.00 ISBN: 9780300111170 Description: New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2008. 28cm., hardcover, 352pp., 150 color, 100 b&w illus. Covering a period that witnessed the flowering of the Renaissance and the major expansion of the Italian silk industry, this volume examines the Italian silk fabrics depicted in paintings from Italy, England and the Netherlands over the course of 250 years. Through a close study of the workshop practice and techniques of the artists who represented these fabrics, Lisa Monnas offers a masterly evaluation of the paintings as source material for classifying surviving textiles. Dealing with an exceptionally long period, she considers a large number of examples in greater depth than has ever been attempted, and gives particular attention to the identification of historic textile types and their weave structure. Monnas examines a wide range of subjects, including silk as a marker of social status, the material possessions of artists and their ownership of textiles as props, the involvement of painters in silk design, and the repetition and transfer of patterns. She considers the evidence of paintings not only for the veracity with which the silks are depicted but also for their value as a historic source concerning the use of fabrics. Over a period of two and a half centuries, tastes and patterns of consumption altered, and these changes, which can be traced through documentary sources, are reflected in the paintings. The conclusion of this impressive analysis brings the discussion full circle by looking at the reincarnation, during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, of silk patterns taken from late-medieval and renaissance paintings, reproduced as wallpapers or woven as new fabrics (some of which are still in production today). This important and desirable book - beautifully illustrated with many unfamiliar paintings and with surviving fabrics, some of which have never been reproduced before - not only re-evaluates the dating and identification of individual textiles, but also brings fresh insights into the material values of the artists and their clients. Its authoritative and original approach to both fabrics and paintings makes it of inestimable value to historians of textiles, art and material culture alike. ^Available February 2008^. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 26 01:40:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ6ewU4010860 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:40:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAQ6eZRT015856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:40:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQ6dLXX053450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:39:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ6dG7k020807; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:39:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQ6dDYP020773 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bobfamilyroom [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9C67D0804AE; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:37:58 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:39:08 -0800 Message-ID: <019801c82ff7$0c0634a0$020ba8c0@bobfamilyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgt8w0XnF8swSv4Si+lfEwNb6D7rgCA5Hxw In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 223dd217-ef82-4b9a-9e1f-6d98e3a71669 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474A6A63.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:40:40 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Holiday gifts, hah! I just finished making may daughter's Dickens dress and hat. She said she wanted to make it herself, but with college, she didn't have time and so, I was asked to do it----1 week before Fair opening. But I managed. If you go to Dickens, she's Miss Kate Nickleby, all in black. I'm rather pleased with the way she looks, if I do say so myself. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:04 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? Dear list, Since the traffic has been light, and we assume people are busy, I'll kick off with, are you busy making holiday gifts? I'm making dresses for my granddaughters--I was inspired by some very expensive dresses in an upscale children's shop in Las Vegas--I can make something like that, I said. Well, the original intent was to use what was in my stash, but one of the pieces of fabric was so badly off grain (it has a printed design) that I just couldn't use it, and what I bought instead didn't match color-wise, and I didn't have enough of another; so, after my 4th trip to JoAnn's this afternoon, I'll be about done. But I do have enough trims in my stash, and some usable fabrics. The dresses have a print bodice, solid white skirt, and dark solid sleeves--one is navy blue, one red. The skirt has three rows of assorted trim in white and the color, the sleeve has another white trim around the edge, and each also has yet another trim around the neckline. The red and white one is almost done and is shaping up nicely. The navy bodice is done, but the 4th trip to JoAnn's is for skirt fabric for it. After this, I'm done sewing again for a while. Ann Wass **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 26 14:10:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJAUD6016855 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:10:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAQJA8vp027520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:10:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQJ8qwN080079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJ8lJp099284; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJ8hwt099033 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:08:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mmbennett@esta.org) Received: from [67.100.147.126] (helo=Meredith) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IwjJt-0008Ah-QN for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:08:38 -0500 From: "Meredith Moseley-Bennett" To: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:08:41 -0500 Message-ID: <0d6701c8305f$c243f8c0$6601a8c0@Meredith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgwX8HpR1lDma5iRT6hSYdXzhxmIw== X-ELNK-Trace: 397eeaa40b98548ef6706fccc7bb28b894f5150ab1c16ac01a238acc8405a5b0f211a3a234cca74792179fefbf8a2ae5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.147.126 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Short Film Movie Shoot X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51fd1bc6-b7b7-404e-ad90-a0dfa9ca8ffb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474B1A10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:10:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I am looking for "movie quality" costumes to rent for four short films: Joan of Arc Babe Ruth Thomas Jefferson Davy Crockett Does anyone have items I could rent? Joan and Babe shoot weekend after next, and Jefferson and Crockett shoot the weekend after that. Thanks, Meredith Moseley-Bennett Certification Coordinator Entertainment Technician Certification Program-ETCP 875 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1005 NYC, NY 10001 Phone: 212.244.1505 Fax: 212.244.1502 "Take the world as it is, not as it ought to be." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 26 14:13:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJDRsh016910 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:13:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAQJCrG8006608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:13:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQJCViq080601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJCULE003854; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJCBH1003346 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.d67.1ba64577 (29673) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:08:54 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:08:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbd7d046-906c-438f-adbe-8ef9ebb0dfe7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474B1AB5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:13:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO This fall, I made myself a long [to the ankle] cotton robe to bum around the house in when I don't want to get dressed. I found some great and interesting batiks and some wonderfully outrageous African prints so I'm making everybody one. They take about 8 hours to prepare, cut and sew [one work day I guess] if I take my time....not bad. I've got about a dozen to make all together [4 are done] Doing them up right with French seams and, some that it is impossible to match the pattern on patch pockets, get welt pockets. So everyone gets one of those and I bought them all an iPod Shuffle too.... and an artsy fartsy 2008 calendar. See....just get everyone the SAME THING! [well, I did pick fabrics with the recipients in mind... and the artists on the calendars.] **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Nov 26 14:53:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJrCnO017760 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:53:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAQJqk0A013273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:52:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQJq6q7085811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:52:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJq2SA051135; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:52:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAQJpwf7050958 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.87]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071126195153.UWMK19750.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:51:53 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.87]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071126195152.ODNB8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:50:57 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Book on Silk Fabrics in Paintings In-Reply-To: <200711261900.lAQJ0A5L088610@net.indra.com> References: <200711261900.lAQJ0A5L088610@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071126195152.ODNB8365.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b385a8b5-7bde-4257-89d7-09208685680f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 474B240E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:52:51 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I have had it on order for about a month (Amazon had a very good pre-order discount). Though I have not seen it as yet, I have other things by Lisa and they are good. The publisher's page: http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=9780300111170 FYI. you may also want to look through their sale. Beth At 01:00 PM 11/26/2007, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:17:25 EST >From: MaddNancy@aol.com >This was in the latest new book listing from Michael Shamansky, and I would >like to know if anyone has had a chance to see a copy yet or had heard >anything about it (realizing it is not set to come out until February). > >Thanks, > >Nancy > >Catalog Number: 53524 >Title: Merchants, Princes and Painters Silk Fabrics in Italian and Northern >Paintings, 1300-1550 >Author: Monnas, Lisa >Price: $75.00 >ISBN: 9780300111170 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 27 17:55:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARMtPwF009953 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:55:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lARMt25N021772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lARMre6e024598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:53:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARMrWkw058971; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARMrRU6058758 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127FCE000315 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:53:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <474C9FC6.6070503@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:52:54 +0000 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne Drew Article X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7db34335-4491-40aa-9351-6abb91089e60 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474CA046.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:55:07 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here is a message which I am forwarding (with permission) from Sue Fink, a lace maker in New Zealand. It was originally sent to the list for lace makers, (lace@arachne.com). Hurray for Bjarne! From Linda Walton In cold wet foggy High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [lace] Bjarne Drew Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:54:41 +1300 I am sure that the name Bjarne Drew will mean something to a lot of the longer standing Arachnids! Bjarne makes reproduction costumes from the 17th and 18th century and also the lace to go on them (which was where Arachne came in!) Issue 56 of the Australian magazine Inspirations has a lovely article about Bjarne and shows some of his costumes and also a picture of him at his pillow. It was lovely to read the article and realise that though Bjarne has disappeared from our ken, he is still happily making his costumes. Sue Fink In lovely sunny warm Masterton, New Zealand -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 27 18:18:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARNIqoV010517 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:18:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lARNITwD022114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:18:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lARNHqIo030659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:17:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARNHogE087469; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from proactive.newcastle.edu.au (proactive.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.4.12]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARNHk7j087369 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jane_stockton@webcon.net.au) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.proactive.priv by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JS600913U1KEY00@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:17:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from ccb214-3dvvp1s.webcon.net.au ([134.148.170.190]) by proactive.priv (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JS6000O0U1BPT40@proactive.priv> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:17:35 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:17:35 +1100 From: Jane Stockton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne Drew Article In-reply-to: <474C9FC6.6070503@dsl.pipex.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <0JS6000O1U1BPT40@proactive.priv> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.311128, Antispam-Data: 2007.11.27.145325 References: <474C9FC6.6070503@dsl.pipex.com> X-Perlmx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='X_MAILER_EUDORA_7109 0.05, __ANY_QUALCOMM_MUA 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f104560-5d9e-42aa-99e1-6d89b7acdb04 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474CA5C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:18:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Linda, Thanks for letting us know. I will have to pick up a copy next time I'm at the newsagent. I wonder if Bjarne needs a copy?? Cheers, Jane At 09:52 AM 28/11/2007, you wrote: >Here is a message which I am forwarding (with permission) from Sue >Fink, a lace maker in New Zealand. It was originally sent to the >list for lace makers, (lace@arachne.com). Hurray for Bjarne! > From Linda Walton >In cold wet foggy High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K. > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: [lace] Bjarne Drew >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:54:41 +1300 > >I am sure that the name Bjarne Drew will mean something to a lot of the >longer standing Arachnids! Bjarne makes reproduction costumes from >the 17th and 18th century and also the lace to go on them (which was >where Arachne came in!) Issue 56 of the Australian magazine >Inspirations has a lovely article about Bjarne and shows some of his >costumes and also a picture of him at his pillow. > >It was lovely to read the article and realise that though Bjarne has >disappeared from our ken, he is still happily making his costumes. > >Sue Fink >In lovely sunny warm Masterton, New Zealand > >-- > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------------------------------------ Jane Stockton - jane_stockton@webcon.net.au Barony of Mordenvale, Kingdom of Lochac In Prayse of the Needle - http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/ (personal website) Historical Needlework Resources - http://medieval.webcon.net.au/ (resource website) The Needles' Excellency - http://laren.blogspot.com/ (blog) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 27 18:22:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARNMarj010600 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:22:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lARNMEh8024314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lARMtMlP025347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:55:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARMtLW7060920; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lARMtHQ8060704 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:55:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.167] (sjs-130-65-37-167.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.167]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lARMtAoU013546 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:55:11 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200711241900.lAOJ03gR065451@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <46BFEB39-B96D-445D-ADE7-A764F700E737@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC 2009 whine... Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:55:10 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 680ef9f9-f651-4eeb-8476-9f5c52324aa2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474CA6A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:22:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Nov 25, 2007, at 6:00 AM, cahuff wrote: > So I went to Darkover Grand Council (had a great time! Saw people, > got cool books...) > and got the flyer for CC in 2009...in Baltimore!! Yah!!! > on the first weekend in May!!!! WAHHAAAAAAAA!! > That is Maryland Sheep and Wool Festival weekend. > So once again I'll be missing CC and it's right in my backyard > >grumph< > Please could those in charge look and see what might just conflict > the next time they plan an event. Please? So putting on my cranky hat: Try scheduling an international-scope event. There are no good weekends. Our Costume-Con in San Jose (for which we picked dates nearly 6 years ago) is booked against the West Kingdom 2008 Spring Collegium Occidentalis. No matter how wide you cast your net for a conflict-free date, you'll never find one. Putting on my practical hat: You can go to Maryland Sheep and Wool Festival any year, if it's in your backyard. CC won't be in your backyard again for at least half a decade. Go to the event that you'll regret missing for years instead of the one that you'll also be able to go to in 2008 and 2010. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Nov 27 21:32:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAS2WHOL015303 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:32:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAS2Vsa4017172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:31:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAS2Uhqo050943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:30:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAS2Ucig058753; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lARN6oY0073810 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:06:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 32564 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 23:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:06:43 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bjarne Drew Article Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:06:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8314a$2cd22690$c10d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <474C9FC6.6070503@dsl.pipex.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcgxSH1SnR2Fz8HCQwWOe0/+7V+DBgAAZlUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5582dfa3-22da-4cbe-b1e2-b9723f1736ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474CD31A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:31:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Totally cool! Yay. Bjarne! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Linda Walton Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:53 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne Drew Article Here is a message which I am forwarding (with permission) from Sue Fink, a lace maker in New Zealand. It was originally sent to the list for lace makers, (lace@arachne.com). Hurray for Bjarne! From Linda Walton In cold wet foggy High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [lace] Bjarne Drew Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:54:41 +1300 I am sure that the name Bjarne Drew will mean something to a lot of the longer standing Arachnids! Bjarne makes reproduction costumes from the 17th and 18th century and also the lace to go on them (which was where Arachne came in!) Issue 56 of the Australian magazine Inspirations has a lovely article about Bjarne and shows some of his costumes and also a picture of him at his pillow. It was lovely to read the article and realise that though Bjarne has disappeared from our ken, he is still happily making his costumes. Sue Fink In lovely sunny warm Masterton, New Zealand -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 02:16:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAS7GS6Q028883 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:16:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAS7G5wL010511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAS7ErXg071845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:14:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAS7EnID043874; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAS7EjOS043822 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:14:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071128071444.RTHX29774.fep52.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:14:44 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.63.231.20]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071128071250.MEVF29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:12:50 +0100 Message-ID: <20071128071250.MEVF29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071127225527.VJQH22541.fep23.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne Drew Article Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:14:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.20] at Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:12:49 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <001601c8318e$58809d00$14e73f50@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f1ca88d-9352-4829-a0fc-7768f0801c37 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474D15B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:16:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Dear Linda, Jane and Liadain Thanks for letting me knowing this. Nice that some of my old arachne friends noticed it. But a little note, i dont make lace anymore. Also Jane! i dont need an extra copy, i had one send for me, when the article was published, but thanks for the offer anyway! This month i also made a projekt for the magazine, a lit for a sewing basquet, wich i call Marie Antoinettes Mobcap. Its a domeshaped lit with embroidered roses and forgetmenots edged with a nice cotton lace- hence the name mobcap, because it reminds me a little of a mobcap. The magazine wanted me to make some projekts for the readers. A purse is in my mind two, when i get more time......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Walton" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne Drew Article > Here is a message which I am forwarding (with permission) from Sue Fink, a > lace maker in New Zealand. It was originally sent to the list for lace > makers, (lace@arachne.com). Hurray for Bjarne! > From Linda Walton > In cold wet foggy High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [lace] Bjarne Drew > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:54:41 +1300 > > I am sure that the name Bjarne Drew will mean something to a lot of the > longer standing Arachnids! Bjarne makes reproduction costumes from the > 17th and 18th century and also the lace to go on them (which was where > Arachne came in!) Issue 56 of the Australian magazine Inspirations has a > lovely article about Bjarne and shows some of his costumes and also a > picture of him at his pillow. > > It was lovely to read the article and realise that though Bjarne has > disappeared from our ken, he is still happily making his costumes. > > Sue Fink > In lovely sunny warm Masterton, New Zealand > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 12:23:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASHNVqj023371 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:23:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASHN6bq030767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:23:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASHLj3D046092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASHLeuA009193; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASHLYei008941 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:21:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1BBE00088A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:21:27 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <474DA398.4080905@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:21:28 +0000 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Golden Age of Couture X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f12a15a-2e32-4555-87ec-14ac7ea9d407 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474DA3FA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:23:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Here is some information about a current exhibition. Even if you can't visit in person, the website is interesting. There is also a free pattern to to download, (click on "Create a Couture Inspired Dress"); and when you've made it, there's a page to upload a video of it. Linda Walton (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) The Golden Age of Couture at the V&A, (Victoria and Albert Museum, London), - Until 6 January 2008:- The Golden Age of Couture is a stunning exhibition featuring work by Parisian couturiers such as Christian Dior, Cristóbal Balenciaga, Pierre Balmain, and Hubert de Givenchy, together with their London counterparts Norman Hartnell and Hardy Amies. The exhibition looks at the secret world of couture, exploring the structure of fashion's grand houses, the skill and craftsmanship of the ateliers, and the lifestyle of the chic clientele. Illustrated with fabulous period gowns and photographs, it shows the process and inspiration behind some of the most glamorous styles of all time. More info: http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1486_couture/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 12:39:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASHdRNl023599 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:39:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASHd4Yr013158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:39:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASHcP3b048562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:38:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASHcNus032364; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASHcIX2032260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.100.107] (dial-209-148-100-107.sonic.net [209.148.100.107]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lASHcGBu008301 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:38:17 -0800 Message-ID: <474DA789.80208@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:38:17 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age of Couture References: <474DA398.4080905@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <474DA398.4080905@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8f2a292-8053-4677-8efd-995051e67fe1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 474DA7B8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:39:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Is there an exhibit catalog? Thanks. Fran Lavolta Press books on historic costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Linda Walton wrote: > Here is some information about a current exhibition. Even if you can't > visit in person, the website is interesting. There is also a free > pattern to to download, (click on "Create a Couture Inspired Dress"); > and when you've made it, there's a page to upload a video of it. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 13:39:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASId75S025504 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:39:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASIcju7030838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:38:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASIWc3x056983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASIWXZc007103; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from magicmail.collinscom.net (mail.collinscom.net [67.130.67.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lASIWSo4006832 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fathallas@collinscom.net) Received: (qmail 18912 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 18:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edwardstepobxw) (65.125.138.2) by magicmail.collinscom.net with SMTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:32:21 -0700 From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bjarne Drew Article Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:32:20 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c831ed$035bfef0$6a0d140a@edwardstepobxw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <20071128071250.MEVF29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgxjngX7Wuj6t+dSFeTGbkn11grWQAXmTUg Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 500eb813-a665-48d7-a4d4-9aa959dfe8b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 474DB5B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:38:50 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sounds like great projects - will have to see if my local bookstore = can get the magazine! =20 Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:15 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne Drew Article Dear Linda, Jane and Liadain Thanks for letting me knowing this. Nice that some of my old arachne = friends noticed it. But a little note, i dont make lace anymore. Also Jane! i dont need an extra copy, i had one send for me, when the=20 article was published, but thanks for the offer anyway! This month i also made a projekt for the magazine, a lit for a sewing=20 basquet, wich i call Marie Antoinettes Mobcap. Its a domeshaped lit with embroidered roses and forgetmenots edged with = a=20 nice cotton lace- hence the name mobcap, because it reminds me a little = of a mobcap. The magazine wanted me to make some projekts for the readers. A=20 purse is in my mind two, when i get more time......... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 13:58:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASIw663025959 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:58:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASIvhQb020990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:57:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASIud90062295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASIuXrU042216; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:56:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASIuRxH042030 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep53.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071128185625.URUJ14086.fep53.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:56:25 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.139]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071128185430.MWCQ29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:54:30 +0100 Message-ID: <20071128185430.MWCQ29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:56:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.139] at Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:54:29 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000801c831f0$5f6a4050$8b43a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sewing needles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8030d068-0d82-44ad-b61c-78768df45004 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474DBA27.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:57:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi. Suddently all the stores in Denmark dont have the needles i use for my = embroidery any more. I used Millward sharps, and i dont think i can find any online. The needles i can find here, are two big, that is to say, the heads are = two big. I need really small heads, not bigger than the shaft in itself. Does any know where i can get any online please? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 14:08:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJ89i1026393 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:08:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASJ7hsp018554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:07:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASJ27xs063501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJ23A4050538; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJ1TsL049620 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:01:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tenpin.ma@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1328657nzh for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:01:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=4/0PYvoolN1Rj0B/oGkriTMPe8mEUqlMZOajMeF0OOY=; b=kwDJL1AAcVerSKD+hpt9+IWjneE6/I+k3xB9e/liTHXV7ytYiIBDBROwR4PfJoUwkozw0j5Yfnq98KHTKWlox2hzF8UjnNpkrbvxU/FM2lbmAX08VnuQMudf9iBMsLw8pqDFQWLF/mbHJ0YVM4QD72+Jwlcdo3DwkL9cgZgEOhw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=rj+MukgXlgT4zYbcCxqoysQLKoj35eaQNb8oxVsaqo/Vqj2p6SQ3oQ2tDV3MRERfLFzIW0tTUjkajoudGArMeqL8wXGkvqvpB0WBBPWN8obCdXSa1juHHr9EqHSaSXuiw+zeGZ6i4U2OoZv4fL/Yb4vBUBbo/MyVY1wJ3udhHjM= Received: by 10.142.177.7 with SMTP id z7mr315106wfe.1196276486095; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from TheBeast ( [24.128.118.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q30sm5742360wrq.2007.11.28.11.01.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:01:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002d01c831f1$13fdd220$6501a8c0@TheBeast> From: "Brangwyne" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071128185430.MWCQ29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing needles Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:01:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7207c81-a9c1-403e-86a0-25c79a378579 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474DBC7F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:07:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I found this one: http://www.craftonline.co.uk/83/shop.cfm Starr -------------------- Hi. Suddently all the stores in Denmark dont have the needles i use for my embroidery any more. I used Millward sharps, and i dont think i can find any online. The needles i can find here, are two big, that is to say, the heads are two big. I need really small heads, not bigger than the shaft in itself. Does any know where i can get any online please? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 14:21:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJLhRE027022 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:21:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASJLJCO015247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:21:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASJKfex066785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:20:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJKbha076393; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:20:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJKX9A076206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.73.53.200] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IxSSR-000533-AY for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:20:27 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071128191911.03503ae0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:20:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing needles In-Reply-To: <20071128185430.MWCQ29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20071128185430.MWCQ29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90488666-aea9-4f3c-81e0-37358ee7071b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474DBFAF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:21:24 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 18:56 28/11/2007, you wrote: >Hi. >Suddently all the stores in Denmark dont have the needles i use for >my embroidery any more. >I used Millward sharps, and i dont think i can find any online. >The needles i can find here, are two big, that is to say, the heads >are two big. I need really small heads, not bigger than the shaft in itself. >Does any know where i can get any online please? MacCulloch and Wallis, Kleins, several places on line, all on my links page. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/links.php Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 14:25:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJPPOZ027252 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:25:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASJOwb9005545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:25:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASJOWma067488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJOTIr081369; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:24:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJONZE081116 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:24:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.67]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071128192417.KTMB21683.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:24:17 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.67]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20071128192417.WMAX9878.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:24:17 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:19:18 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing needles In-Reply-To: <200711281907.lASJ7AQq058174@net.indra.com> References: <200711281907.lASJ7AQq058174@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071128192417.WMAX9878.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60c91611-a500-4105-a989-17078b3a098a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 474DC08A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:25:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Bjarne, Here is a shop based in the UK that lists them http://www.craftonline.co.uk/83/shop.cfm Beth At 01:07 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:56:21 +0100 >From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" >Subject: [h-cost] sewing needles > >Hi. >Suddently all the stores in Denmark dont have the needles i use for >my embroidery any more. >I used Millward sharps, and i dont think i can find any online. >The needles i can find here, are two big, that is to say, the heads >are two big. I need really small heads, not bigger than the shaft in itself. >Does any know where i can get any online please? > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 14:37:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJbIV1027834 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:37:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASJasFR011435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:36:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASJa6bD069615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJa3IE097508; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJZwAO097363 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071128193556.USGV29774.fep52.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:35:56 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.139]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071128193401.MXGR29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:34:01 +0100 Message-ID: <20071128193401.MXGR29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:35:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.139] at Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:34:01 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000c01c831f5$e4f79b00$8b43a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 988c92b5-a8f3-470f-b77a-fb5b777db1cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474DC356.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:36:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Stupid me, it was because i misspelled the name, sorry folks! But could someone tell me wich are smallest, 5/10 - 3/9 or 7? Usually not attended to the size nr. cause i just chose the smalles i = could get. Also heard that you can get extremely fine sharps with the numbers of 12 = according to Inspirations Magazine issue where i am in, there is an = article of the Suzhou embroidery tour that the magazine had. They use = sharps nr 12 and where might i get some of them? Would it say that a size 8 is finer than a size 7? Bjarne who just discovered how stupid i really am, not nowing anything = at all about sewing needles............ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 14:42:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJgIXu028074 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:42:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASJfrWG021983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:41:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASJeuoV070412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:40:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJenah004010; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJekBD003851 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:40:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g16so1387756nfd for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:40:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=z4CPevyPfegWGLevSrnwZ2s6z6/lj/CAaE6VMiqw74I=; b=BNBNBUR+Vgsi0+7o+5Sulx4f2f3pezdcvu9f3ygsF/4LbayRlH2Rxj0rO4Tv9dE42aeKjw0oOj4o9B1NAlv4UFz1SMPQkCv5Np8NAsD2JNUnZH3PhaGUMDk2RzBoR7nYjVm8LNMbIa3c5vG437ItAZ2nKc5mk1V9Cd6a9SNXBag= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=p8OBMRd49VtzlUrV1lvbrcBk9A++yhXOmrN6ou/IFL6UsBkvz1vp/dGb0IMCoD8GiivZ0oOV7gR7z/popXSyUVggZHyMe2Q0NmyiI5ikCPWyFyFvCz1CGmvGAdbgwGzgpuoW63r4nVVaN9wjiqKDX3E6RXPJBqHNUaqG5QfW8eY= Received: by 10.78.203.15 with SMTP id a15mr6034333hug.1196278841970; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.44.18 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:40:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190711281140g535e1b8as161843a7ea3c3416@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:40:41 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: CC 2009 whine... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcb53106-0720-40ee-9d05-94935ca05358 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474DC481.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:42:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've regrettably been out of the Costume Con loop for the past couple of years precisely because it's been so far away in past years. Having it in Baltimore is FANTASTIC for me, as it's only a jump up the road from me! In other words - great good news! If I decide to do the Wool festival I can always do a "field trip" from CC.... Allison T. On Nov 28, 2007 2:07 PM, wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:55:10 -0800 > From: Andrew T Trembley > Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC 2009 whine... > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <46BFEB39-B96D-445D-ADE7-A764F700E737@bovil.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Nov 25, 2007, at 6:00 AM, cahuff wrote: > > So I went to Darkover Grand Council (had a great time! Saw people, > > got cool books...) > > and got the flyer for CC in 2009...in Baltimore!! Yah!!! > > on the first weekend in May!!!! WAHHAAAAAAAA!! > > That is Maryland Sheep and Wool Festival weekend. > > So once again I'll be missing CC and it's right in my backyard > > >grumph< > > Please could those in charge look and see what might just conflict > > the next time they plan an event. Please? > > > So putting on my cranky hat: > Try scheduling an international-scope event. There are no good > weekends. Our Costume-Con in San Jose (for which we picked dates > nearly 6 years ago) is booked against the West Kingdom 2008 Spring > Collegium Occidentalis. No matter how wide you cast your net for a > conflict-free date, you'll never find one. > > Putting on my practical hat: > You can go to Maryland Sheep and Wool Festival any year, if it's in > your backyard. CC won't be in your backyard again for at least half a > decade. Go to the event that you'll regret missing for years instead > of the one that you'll also be able to go to in 2008 and 2010. > > andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 15:03:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASK36Rj028767 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:03:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASK2hoR006076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASJv23i072763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:57:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJuxQK026029; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASJusuY025909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:56:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net ([209.249.177.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id lASJuoHI008382 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:56:53 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:56:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57646.72.13.239.193.1196279813.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190711281140g535e1b8as161843a7ea3c3416@mail.gmail.com> References: <7d21ac190711281140g535e1b8as161843a7ea3c3416@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:56:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: CC 2009 whine... From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da4dfaea-4a62-4d62-b06b-8fdae8ca0227 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 474DC964.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:02:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Andy said, > Putting on my practical hat: > You can go to Maryland Sheep and Wool Festival any year, if it's in > your backyard. CC won't be in your backyard again for at least half a > decade. Go to the event that you'll regret missing for years instead > of the one that you'll also be able to go to in 2008 and 2010. The other perspective — Carol Huff has a fiber-related business and the Sheep & Wool Festival is not optional. The practicality works for lots of other people, but I think Carol is perfectly justified to whine in this case. So the people who go to CC can take a side trip, visit her booth and buy stuff. :-) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 15:08:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASK8MgG028955 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASK7weM031158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASK7Q9w074674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASK7FRZ039796; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexandria29.2mhost.com (alexandria29.2mhost.com [75.126.152.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASK7AZP039578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from [79.73.53.200] (helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by alexandria29.2mhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IxTBY-0000HI-Nl for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:07:05 -0600 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20071128200341.035021b8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:06:59 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles In-Reply-To: <20071128193401.MXGR29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20071128193401.MXGR29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alexandria29.2mhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - suziclarke.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8014f67d-3e90-447d-ae4f-1e6e234621ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474DCA9E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:03 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 19:35 28/11/2007, you wrote: >Stupid me, it was because i misspelled the name, sorry folks! >But could someone tell me wich are smallest, 5/10 - 3/9 or 7? >Usually not attended to the size nr. cause i just chose the smalles >i could get. >Also heard that you can get extremely fine sharps with the numbers >of 12 according to Inspirations Magazine issue where i am in, there >is an article of the Suzhou embroidery tour that the magazine had. >They use sharps nr 12 and where might i get some of them? >Would it say that a size 8 is finer than a size 7? > >Bjarne who just discovered how stupid i really am, not nowing >anything at all about sewing needles............ I sew with Millwards needles, and the higher the number the finer the needles, so an Embroidery 10, or a Sharp 10 is finer that a 7. You can buy complete packs of 10's in most haberdashery shops here. And in MacCullochs http://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/Category.aspx/HandNeedles Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 15:08:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASK8XRT028963 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASK8A0N028859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASK7hdE074714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASK7guY040360; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep52.mail.dk (fep52.mail.dk [80.160.77.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASK7ckI040280 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep52.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20071128200737.UWHV29774.fep52.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:07:37 +0100 Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([80.161.67.139]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.3.00.03.00 201-2196-126-20070720) with ESMTP id <20071128200737.MWVW7367.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:07:37 +0100 Message-ID: <20071128200737.MWVW7367.fep42.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> From: "Leif og Bjarne Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20071128185430.MWCQ29908.fep40.mail.dk@your4dacd0ea75> <20071128192150.HLBD22541.fep23.mail.dk@www1.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing needles Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:07:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.67.139] at Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:07:37 +0100 X-Old-Message-Id: <000601c831fa$5229b830$8b43a150@your4dacd0ea75> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71c4100d-13bc-49c5-be58-d4052687f7af X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474DCAAA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Thanks a lot Suzi, Mc Culloch and Wallis its going to be, i know these John James needles, also those you cant get here anymore, its Prym who has taken over the market. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing needles > At 18:56 28/11/2007, you wrote: >>Hi. >>Suddently all the stores in Denmark dont have the needles i use for my >>embroidery any more. >>I used Millward sharps, and i dont think i can find any online. >>The needles i can find here, are two big, that is to say, the heads are >>two big. I need really small heads, not bigger than the shaft in itself. >>Does any know where i can get any online please? > > > MacCulloch and Wallis, Kleins, several places on line, all on my links > page. > > http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/links.php > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 15:47:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASKlJc7030822 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:47:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASKku25001120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:47:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASKjZqQ080231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:45:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASKjP3P089843; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASKjK63089671 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JLUV1Y0060S2fkC0A01m00; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:21 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter03.comcast.net ([204.127.197.113]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JLlM1Y0022TGtXw0800000; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:21 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=y36p05q8AAAA:8 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=LM0wS_abAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=lowGnfzX-_uUqtrFi9YA:9 a=flgyspuc5WyvT5_91bkA:7 a=XbvE-06LDQKW5t3MesYMmO5QnvUA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 a=KktQEyR1Fwhq8QK09awA:9 a=fpDJfQcNKMJwIQEU8cAA:7 a=HNoaW7DOIUZyDGW4dWdwc1NnjzMA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter03.comcast.net; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:16 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:16 +0000 Message-Id: <112820072045.15056.474DD35C00054AD800003AD022007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 749067e7-50a0-45c0-9ccf-b8db14315694 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474DD3C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:47:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I've been experimenting with fine needles in various sizes from various makers -- the Macculloch page that Suzi posted is mostly John James needles, which are quite nice. My recent experiments have suggested that the S. Thomas & Sons are a bit "springier", if you like that in a needle. I've never had the opportunity to try the Millward's. Because my eyes are going bad, I have been buying the size 10 and size 12 crewel needles, which are fine and have a long eye that is easier to poke a thread through. Bjarne, if you are seeking small eyes (on your needles) and your *own* eyes are good, go with the plain "sharps" -- 12s are really nice and tiny, and the heads should not stick out. "Quilters" are shorter, if you like a very short needle. A thing that drives me nuts about needles is that while a bigger number means a smaller size in general, the series starts over after 12 -- so they get smaller from 1-12, then the numbers start over at 13, which is an *immense* darner and then they go down again (so a number 18 darner is about the size of a number 1 darner; just maddening!) Chenilles and tapestries have immense eyes, start at 13 and get smaller down to 26 or 28 -- but a 26 or 28 chenille is nowhere near as fine as a 12 sharp. There are some interesting pictures of the range of needle sizes within some of the common types here: http://www.colonialneedle.com/html/about-needles.html The page is called "all about needles" but it actually leaves off some of the things I most want to know, like what it means when a packet says the size is 4/8 or 7/9, or why you might want your needles gold or platinum plated, or how you can tell what length a needle will be. Perhaps someone on the list will enlighten me on those points? ;-) Best, Lauren http://www.timetraveltextiles.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: Suzi Clarke > At 19:35 28/11/2007, you wrote: > >Stupid me, it was because i misspelled the name, sorry folks! > >But could someone tell me wich are smallest, 5/10 - 3/9 or 7? > >Usually not attended to the size nr. cause i just chose the smalles > >i could get. > >Also heard that you can get extremely fine sharps with the numbers > >of 12 according to Inspirations Magazine issue where i am in, there > >is an article of the Suzhou embroidery tour that the magazine had. > >They use sharps nr 12 and where might i get some of them? > >Would it say that a size 8 is finer than a size 7? > > > >Bjarne who just discovered how stupid i really am, not nowing > >anything at all about sewing needles............ > > I sew with Millwards needles, and the higher the number the finer the > needles, so an Embroidery 10, or a Sharp 10 is finer that a 7. You > can buy complete packs of 10's in most haberdashery shops here. And > in MacCullochs > > http://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/Category.aspx/HandNeedles > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 15:57:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASKvboT031422 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:57:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASKvEd8002318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:57:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASKuja6082151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASKufiF005011; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:56:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASKubaH004813 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:58:10 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B02910A47@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <112820072045.15056.474DD35C00054AD800003AD022007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles Thread-Index: AcgyABK542sYta2iQD2PLb7jokiKLAAAShGg References: <112820072045.15056.474DD35C00054AD800003AD022007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 20:58:11.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[629754A0:01C83201] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ef71dd5-1941-44ef-aa0d-779dc7220938 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474DD62A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of lauren.walker@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:45 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 16:16:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLGO87032694 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASLG1JS019448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASLFIQV085022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLFGsJ028478; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net (fmailhost05.isp.att.net [204.127.217.105]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLFCsV028259 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from fwebmail13.isp.att.net ([207.115.9.153]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20071128211507H0500cu2q3e>; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:15:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.9.153] Received: from [63.241.202.8] by fwebmail13.isp.att.net; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:15:07 +0000 From: "Jane Pease" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:15:07 +0000 Message-Id: <112820072115.22278.474DDA5B000304390000570622218683269B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Con X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 201232c1-ad49-4cf9-9900-aaa2e438bc5e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474DDA91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:06 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO For the incogniscenti among us, what exactly is Costume Con? Who sponsors it" Where is information available? Thanks, Jane In NO VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 16:38:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLcK56002299 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:38:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASLbufU010007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:38:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASLbOLs087888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLarAI055582; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLadB4055306 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so3775412pyi for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:36:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0g6EZbSmOXiZqrW2e5zUlvZ+LFAwuFVgrCR+MkWTwwo=; b=RAYZgHM/gwZrS4ylW9mHnoSchJ3HQ9TJgRScO4Lg+8u2iaOGvEsNfEUQDsrm1pTAJQ5506VUXBogahQiOe9bnSYFmXyXQD9I0h8HlIIbCZLSHNkPWTVmORNGnZ+Pe77wA7f2/Pij29cQ/Et09kWHlwq7jZ+6fZt4BK563RusNX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fKrOmcUlDN8Inwev/CNsG0HqyCC44pVSjxeAuqGoD/tMHDDCM9uTq7u5zMAt6PE1gvx+6/iuF9+Y+UHFTNd2CxbV5PhzGtoSKvyZhOSdGVCAZc5xen0TOlXTpHjj95UYqoPDcOwPyvpx6UzBvKUlJ9H73y8PPbw9/mf3LdyQPgA= Received: by 10.35.63.2 with SMTP id q2mr6595866pyk.1196285797064; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.98.14 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:36:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590711281336t29f0fa4x5e03ae5567a80a7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:36:37 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles In-Reply-To: <112820072045.15056.474DD35C00054AD800003AD022007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <112820072045.15056.474DD35C00054AD800003AD022007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b8a189f-5e6f-4753-aa71-e5dd82623f71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 474DDFB4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:38:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO There are some interesting pictures of the range of needle sizes within some of the common types here: http://www.colonialneedle.com/html/about-needles.html > The page is called "all about needles" but it actually leaves off some of the things I most want to know, like what it means when a packet says the size is 4/8 or 7/9, or why you might want your needles gold or platinum plated, or how you can tell what length a needle will be. Perhaps someone on the list will enlighten me on those points? ;-) > Best, > Lauren I was told that the gold plating would keep the finishing from wearing off the needle. I didn't find it that helpful. I just find that no matter what I wear off the finish when I'm working on a project, I'm rather obsessive when I'm working which means a lot of hours close together on the project. As to the length, there are some stitches that are easier if you have a smaller needle, while others are better with a larger needle. In general I have found that the needle ought to match the size of the thread/floss/cord/ribbon you are working with. Larger than your thread and you can leave big holes, smaller that your thread and you fight to get it through. Some of the "tougher" fabrics to work on - like velvet or tight weaves, the smaller the diameter the needle the better. alex hope this helps -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 16:49:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLn7XE003281 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:49:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASLmh9f024459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:48:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASLlffX089269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:47:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLlZEm069150; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lASLlUCu068954 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.167] (sjs-130-65-37-167.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.167]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lASLlNqa012790 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:47:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <112820072115.22278.474DDA5B000304390000570622218683269B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> References: <112820072115.22278.474DDA5B000304390000570622218683269B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Con Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:47:22 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: caba9eba-b91c-42ac-a5e4-7506ac6b8c5f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474DE23B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:48:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Nov 28, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Jane Pease wrote: > For the incogniscenti among us, what exactly is Costume Con? Who > sponsors it" Where is information available? Costume-Con is the international conference of fantasy, science fiction, historical and fashion costumers. It's attended by costume hobbyists, professionals and academics. The Costume-Con history website is at . There you will find documentation and pictures from conferences up to Costume-Con 24 in Des Moines. This spring Costume-Con 25 was held in St. Louis, and the local committee persuaded Robin Netherton to present there. Costume-Con 26 will be held April 25-28, 2008 at the San Jose Doubletree in California. Find more information at . Costume-Con 27 will be held May 1-4, 2009 at the Holiday Inn Select Timonium in the Baltimore, MD area. There's a PDF flyer at . Costume-Con 28 is scheduled for 2010 at the Hilton Milwaukee City Center in Wisconsin. Website at . andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 22:27:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT3RNII026557 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:27:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAT3R0Ph007062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:27:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAT3PpiY027277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT3Piiu094183; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT3PedJ094099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:25:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-247-52.desm.qwest.net [71.214.247.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAT3Pdsx010712 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:25:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200711282147.lASLlaRP069169@net.indra.com> References: <200711282147.lASLlaRP069169@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Con Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:25:38 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4948/Wed Nov 28 13:42:33 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8601b14b-d3a8-407d-bca4-bd5aeefd57fc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474E3184.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Website at . > > > > andy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Nov 28 23:53:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT4rX7R031258 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:53:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAT4rBO3024558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:53:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAT4q17q033587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:52:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT4pwFc055881; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:51:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT4poqG055769 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:51:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.31.48.163]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8m) with ESMTP id 6253176-1928045 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:51:39 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [210.9.137.207]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8p) with ESMTP id 231601041-1928045 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:51:14 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:51:37 +1100 From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: URGENT - swimsuit pattern Thread-Index: AcgyQ4XbxClHbJ42EdypcwADk7ERAA== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.137.207 X-X-Originating-IP: 210.9.137.207 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a324ffc-b1a5-4147-93bb-95cebe18f5d0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474E45B7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:53:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 00:01:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT51gDR031346 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:01:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAT51Doj009207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:01:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAT50lHe034093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:00:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT50kM9061718; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:00:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.21]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT50gwc061658 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:00:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from mailstor.netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.31.48.163]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8m) with ESMTP id 6254134-1928045 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:00:31 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [210.9.137.207]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8p) with ESMTP id 231609144-1928045 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:00:07 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:00:33 +1100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern Thread-Index: AcgyQ4XbxClHbJ42EdypcwADk7ERAAAAT97h In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.137.207 X-X-Originating-IP: 210.9.137.207 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cce8ea75-2d9f-4da3-a3dc-876cf00bd183 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474E4799.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:01:18 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Sorry - I think it was the Mantua Maker pattern. Off now to find it ...... Cheers, Aylwen On 29/11/07 3:51 PM, "Aylwen & John Garden" wrote: > Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I > thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember > the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns. > > Many thanks, > > Aylwen > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 00:19:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT5JqgZ031654 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:19:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAT5JRXi030063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:19:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAT5Ibcu035555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:18:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT5IYOX074562; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:18:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT5IWWV074526 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so1906740ugd for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:18:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=qo+6i5TmbqANmH17+TCJGxZ/4nBczb+kzPkLXglGi/c=; b=icnhpPzYPcA9u1+DZc53Y7huyu7RWj4YHF6RplXAlLRrvb+wR3k8PIKnHkFZgvjhcBkfyH03Ih4DxhGvx8ksQ4o8H9t5g6uED5zMBWh8eLoNSerU+Z6+A9dykeuCgldSLy/xbxQlg1NuWJczTp1y/GT5SApUXr14bcZJEYzSJHU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=pU9fQgmQM+hTod/6U5kNbuTW0G6kxkWuAMFtTChznD9JcBSPQR4KFv2W8t1lcCO8WZzed7OXYGz0sFuvTJdXXram8Rasiy0l12X5/7YtLAu+nURoTPID+BnhXOOif0XlW7hHN4UrZI0drBcmZq/+mO3RA+yA8Ws7IvQRznqPp5w= Received: by 10.150.58.5 with SMTP id g5mr1371260yba.1196313509411; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from FranchescaPC ( [76.185.50.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm1667313wra.2007.11.28.21.18.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:18:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgyQ4XbxClHbJ42EdypcwADk7ERAAAAT97hAACW7NA= Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <474e4ba4.073a360a.4d2f.59b0@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bf666ff-c8bf-4ee3-89fc-a8ebcbe8a9e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474E4BDF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:19:34 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Have you looked at http://www.agelesspatterns.com/swimwear_1.htm There are two pages of Victoria Swimsuits on there. Chiara Francesca -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen & John Garden Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] URGENT - swimsuit pattern Sorry - I think it was the Mantua Maker pattern. Off now to find it ...... Cheers, Aylwen On 29/11/07 3:51 PM, "Aylwen & John Garden" wrote: > Does anyone know if Truly Victorian put out a lady's swimsuit pattern? I > thought I'd bought one, but can't find it and am urgently trying to remember > the brand to help me find it in my mountain of patterns. > > Many thanks, > > Aylwen > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 01:04:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT643Mu002929 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:04:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAT63fFR011971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:03:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAT61wU6039169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:01:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT61tx6003759; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:01:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.167]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAT61q6K003673 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rbnetherton@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY131-W34 ([65.55.136.69]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:01:47 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.92.249.59] From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume Con Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:01:47 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200711282147.lASLlaRP069169@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2007 06:01:47.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[5351CEC0:01C8324D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7a831bb-11c4-4aaf-a950-026c8e17d061 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474E563D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:03:45 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Andy wrote: > > Costume-Con 28 is scheduled for 2010 at the Hilton Milwaukee City > > = Center in Wisconsin. Website at http://www.cc28.org/. =20 Suzanne asked: > are they ever gonna' decide which weekend to hold it? I couldn't > find t= he specific dates listed anywhere.... It's the weekend falling over Saturday, May 8, 2010. I know this only becau= se Henry Osier, who is planning the con, asked me to speak there, and I nee= ded to know the date to make sure it wouldn't conflict with the Medieval Co= ngress at Kalamazoo. (It's the week before the Congress that year, which wi= ll mean a whole lot of driving and not a lot of sleep for me in that two-we= ek period!) =20 When I couldn't find the date on the CC28 website, I pointed out to Henry t= hat it might be a wise idea to add it. That was months ago, and it doesn't = appear that the site has been updated, despite what I know were his best in= tentions. Henry has a livejournal where he's reporting progress on con plan= s, but the date isn't there either! Perhaps if enough people complain, he c= an get his web person on the ball. =20 --Robin =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i=92m Init= iative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=3DTAGLM= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 05:32:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATAWqjQ016458 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:32:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATAWOWh010521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:32:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lATAVGcs058848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATAVC3H094890; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mistral.mail.adnap.net.au (mistral.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.90]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATAV8ql094756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 219-90-183-98.ip.adam.com.au ([219.90.183.98] helo=GilgameshII) by mistral.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IxggU-000Gu0-4L for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:01:54 +1030 Message-ID: <001d01c83272$eea10650$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200711282147.lASLlai4069168@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:00:58 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ba88734-b00e-42a7-acd6-17d3c97baffc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474E9538.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:32:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Message: 12 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:36:37 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <870801590711281336t29f0fa4x5e03ae5567a80a7d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are some interesting pictures of the range of needle sizes within some of the common types here: http://www.colonialneedle.com/html/about-needles.html > The page is called "all about needles" but it actually leaves off some of > the things I most want to know, like what it means when a packet says the > size is 4/8 or 7/9, or why you might want your needles gold or platinum > plated, or how you can tell what length a needle will be. Perhaps someone > on the list will enlighten me on those points? ;-) > Best, > Lauren >I was told that the gold plating would keep the finishing from wearing >off the needle. I didn't find it that helpful. I just find that no >matter what I wear off the finish when I'm working on a project, I'm >rather obsessive when I'm working which means a lot of hours close >together on the project. It also probably makes the needle smoother (you sometimes see them with just gold around the eye) which helps to stop the thread from snagging or fraying. This is probably more important if you're using silk thread than anything else. >As to the length, there are some stitches that are easier if you have >a smaller needle, while others are better with a larger needle. In >general I have found that the needle ought to match the size of the >thread/floss/cord/ribbon you are working with. Larger than your >thread and you can leave big holes, smaller that your thread and you >fight to get it through. Some of the "tougher" fabrics to work on - >like velvet or tight weaves, the smaller the diameter the needle the >better. Also you can sew more quickly with a small needle (presumably the in and out action is quicker). When I first started sewing I read that tailors preferred to use sharps (ie small needles) and I always assumed that this was why. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 08:18:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATDIVgF001361 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:18:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATDI8r4013553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:18:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lATDGiVF069760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:16:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATDGei1011884; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lATDGbxN011789 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mary.doug@pierocarey.info) Received: (qmail 75650 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 13:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@76.253.134.186 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 13:16:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q9fxFqAVM1lXTX6qjKkfvAJEyIwNdAhYdUkGVkQzkZZdACUYqIa2CAxGOr._BD6hM7RS_OfzGKRJIRVXiFgF_fBgUXUb2LJXNiSUYw_5nK7L5IQ3uP_zsg-- Message-ID: <474EBB89.7000803@pierocarey.info> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:15:53 -0500 From: Mary + Doug Piero Carey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200711282147.lASLlai4069168@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200711282147.lASLlai4069168@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] gold-plated needles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7617b5bd-9860-4cfb-a9b0-89b033646303 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474EBC10.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:18:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I find that the gold needles pass through the fabric just a tiny bit easier. I'm mostly using tapestry needles on aida cloth. I can see the gold ones better, too. That's probably more a function of the colors of the fabric (almost always white), and the chair & the carpeting, which are pretty dark! I find a dropped needle quicker when it is gold. I have some platinum needles, but haven't noticed that they handle differently than plain ones. Gold & platinum coatings might be useful in really damp or salty-aired locations, where quick rusting is a problem. Mary Piero Carey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 09:44:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATEipAM004449 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:44:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATEiQO7020497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:44:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lATEh5tx078561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:43:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATEgxMx089176; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:42:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lATEgtO3088906 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:42:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ckenet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11318 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2007 14:42:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=l5wPgWQcQQpMUfxmYa0npQ/rL0lbjnW2nfqJQu8xh6ikf5pDpeLROFZXLZqQOzsGPdEvzTk7Ec9rQx/nJakUc/Ow2uLnfeYW2n+ifQYJa9H7I3A3znZYkJSae1xO855ll0MNux7Di9YUGgkXsUYMyVqLKBTrIuOCRrBNc+8maPk=; X-YMail-OSG: E8XQGlgVM1kqFJCRi8UO6bKnbMJ6cG182OWU3pdvBVuq1h2f4VveFkx1dUyqYk6qOIEczR1HAxWj1XTvJdvcTqxohlAlaKeSi9J32oBwIZcG5Y73gg-- Received: from [72.154.119.121] by web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:42:49 PST Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: Kenet Muir Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Con To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <112820072115.22278.474DDA5B000304390000570622218683269B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <994163.10654.qm@web53506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1bde6ac9-f96f-4b17-8c8e-e9ecce6c9a8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474ED04A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:44:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO COSTUME-CON is a convention dedicated to the art and craft of costuming. The convention has its roots in science fiction and fantasy conventions and historic re-enactment type events, but all forms of costuming are welcome. Costume-Con is a "travelling" national-level convention, and is in a different city and run by a different committee each year. http://www.costume-con.com/info.html Kenet Muir, Jax, FL --- Jane Pease wrote: > For the incogniscenti among us, what exactly is > Costume Con? Who sponsors it" Where is information > available? > > Thanks, > > Jane In NO VA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 15:11:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATKB2cx014958 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:11:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATKAdcF027980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:10:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lATK9OwH048978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATK9HMA023537; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:09:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATK9D7P023334 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:09:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 6.cef.22bb8409 (14501) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:09:02 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:09:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5035 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 550 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dbf64a80-48cf-4dd1-b20d-2c2cff41e239 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 474F1CBF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:10:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO In a message dated 29/11/2007 19:01:17 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Also you can sew more quickly with a small needle (presumably the in and out action is quicker). When I first started sewing I read that tailors preferred to use sharps (ie small needles) and I always assumed that this was why. Claire That's right. I was trained to use betweens for most sewing - they're shorter than sharps and tend to be a bit stronger. Being honest, though, I tend to use larger needles if I'm doing lots of handstitching (as in 16 hours or so a day), cos it stops my hands cramping. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 17:41:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATMfOQq019469 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:41:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATMf0op005088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:41:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lATMdbRh067633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATMdU7T093250; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lATMdNk8092970 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74326 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2007 22:39:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tH/LaNQx0oJVumWmMZvkSR1DYRganbYtlxX4sY+RzGuLSFzXh1/jBuRCIa6EDUoOiI/8KyQLV6+UGjKeTzszvPs5K2XI3wJTRx3ZL820VeDosWpjHAy8XIg+/yMP9jBknx6okn+ODMaCDSljrlkkrX4IYlgGpiHIHXjv3NZb5XE=; X-YMail-OSG: DQWXteIVM1lsduj.MvaXCsSOma_OXy8Wz7n8QvVIUvdNm5B8BbdOAReJtPMhjdxqZZve4tsdltPPPczVMKGOMCtNuOf0FGO.XTOyg_59uvkQr4CbUWA- Received: from [69.182.147.138] by web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:39:16 PST Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001d01c83272$eea10650$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <844495.73616.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4930df09-201f-4742-a4e6-0211deef2390 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474F3FFC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:41:05 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO --- Claire Clarke wrote: > > it actually leaves off some of the things I most > > want to know, like why you might want your > > needles gold or platinum plated, > > Lauren > > >I was told that the gold plating would keep the > > finishing from wearing off the needle. I didn't > > find it that helpful. I just find that no matter > > what I wear off the finish when I'm working > > on a project > > It also probably makes the needle smoother (you > sometimes see them > with just gold around the eye) which helps to stop > the thread from > snagging or fraying. > > Claire I corode nickel-plated needles, just the way my skin chemistry works, so I end up with black needles. My gold-plated needles are still yellow, and the platinum-plating is still white. They'll still be subject to ordinary friction and wear, so if you wear out regular needles, you'll also wear out the fancy plated needles. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 18:17:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATNHMXC020192 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:17:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATNGsdc020483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:16:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lATNGNpW072270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATNGJhu034172; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:16:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATNGEAY033987 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:16:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.167] (sjs-130-65-37-167.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.167]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATNG7qa011085 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:16:07 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <830ADC19-C500-4B77-A5F2-EA4BF0AA59C5@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: "betweens" (was RE: [h-cost] sewing needles Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:16:03 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1937d5f-8f24-4911-a304-44fe66220737 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474F4867.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:16:59 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > I was trained to use betweens for most sewing - they're shorter > than sharps > and tend to be a bit stronger. I'll admit that I do very little hand sewing, but... I'm completely on-board with betweens. They're great for doing running stitch; since they're shorter there's less drag from the needle. I've been working my way through a big pack of vintage betweens with flat-ground eyes (much like suture needle eyes) and I'll be very disappointed when I get to the last one and have to start using new ones. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 18:37:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATNbvue020622 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:37:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lATNbUEW028866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:37:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lATNat7r074382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:36:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lATNasfK056917; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:36:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.43]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lATNaoHG056797 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49832 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2007 23:36:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6FjF7ZLAWUtMcEL0RPwp6BZhUyvwKl8FwYDNNMPR8/LAxPMXuVxyMS9NrFAxLATgzEL2hl8xg38H+G0Pn9qaNd/QHLWMNXrfVQAhiBeGaDuXHQe3z3f4Q2hqXxBjtbJKMViyAqMUZGdZzQEKluBFSj4qYFoYSi89e8GJeoJPgEU=; Received: from [66.106.147.76] by web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:36:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:36:44 -0800 (PST) From: cw15147-hcost00@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dying red to get "russet" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f81f642-157b-48b8-afc1-146e1bb10479 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474F4D3B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:37:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hello! Coming out of the lurking woodwork to ask a question about dyeing. I've done a little dying before, but don't claim to have any sort of clue! I have a piece of 100% cotton chamois flannel (which, by the way, is lovely for faking the look of some wools) and it's a slightly pale red ("barn red" according to the label). I really want a more russet red, if that's the right name, sort of a more orangey, browny, warm, deep shade. Think "fall colors" not "Christmas." So, what color dye or dyes should I use to turn my pale red to this color? Brown? Orange? More red? An art store in my area carries Procion/Jacquard dyes, so that's probably what I'll be using. I'm not fixated on a specific color, I just want something different than what I've got! Thanks in advance, and apologies if I don't reply, I'm creeping back into the woodwork now. :) Claudine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 22:50:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU3ocUU025463 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:50:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAU3oDRB027966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:50:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAU3mmFV097103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU3mcUo060419; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:48:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU3mY6L060300 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:48:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-web10-z01 ([10.127.132.101]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071130034828.MOEC25676.cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com@cdptpa-web10-z01> for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:48:28 +0000 Message-ID: <22512059.649521196394508997.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:48:28 -0500 From: Ailith To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d959fcb1-6f37-4a36-b268-f4d0539628aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474F8875.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:50:20 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I corrode nickel-plated needles as well - sharps, betweens, or tapestry needles. I buy gold plated needles whenever I find them. I got a bunch of them last Christmas in a set from Jo-Ann's. There was a pair of stork scissors, a tape measure, a gold plated thimble, and gold plated needles. I've got enough to last me for several years. :-) Kate ---- Ann Catelli wrote: > I corode nickel-plated needles, just the way my skin > chemistry works, so I end up with black needles. > My gold-plated needles are still yellow, and the > platinum-plating is still white. > > They'll still be subject to ordinary friction and > wear, so if you wear out regular needles, you'll also > wear out the fancy plated needles. > > Ann in CT > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 23:06:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU46qLV025750 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:06:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAU46SRZ000997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:06:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAU45xvd098450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:05:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU45wN2072700; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:05:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU45sZ0072574 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=sfGTwu3cloYkpBx74bFOd2RmoQCU6d4EH/c4fwxk+fco2uiHrOCcj2YaYAN+XU8o; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ixx8O-0008LX-Vg; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:05:49 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20071129173548.042c0a10@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:48:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200711282147.lASLlai2069168@net.indra.com> References: <200711282147.lASLlai2069168@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53f72793e7d63ff9106f24019783ea2fb0d6ff2a6281a80a65350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 549 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd949f70-cc6b-4236-8a2e-e20c03e5a6e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 474F8C44.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:06:33 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 03:47 PM 11/28/2007, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > The other perspective =97 Carol Huff has a fiber-related business and >the Sheep & Wool Festival is not optional. The practicality works >for lots of other people, but I think Carol is perfectly justified to >whine in this case. So the people who go to CC can take a side trip, >visit her booth and buy stuff. :-) Carol certainly has a legitimate conflict that is=20 not easily resolved. However, Andy, if a bit=20 grumpy today, is also correct. It is nearly=20 impossible to schedule these events, regardless=20 of their purpose, without conflicting with=20 something. Keep in mind that other events are not=20 the only consideration. Also in the mix are the=20 available venues and their costs. Each event=20 requires certain types of facilities.=20 Costume-Cons, for example, are space hogs. We=20 need a certain number and type of rooms as well=20 as a ball room amenable to the stage events. In=20 conjunction with that we have to negotiate a=20 weekend that where the prices quoted by the=20 facility are amenable to our pricing structure. I gather that Carol's event is an annual event=20 that likely uses the same facility year after=20 year and employs the same organizing=20 committee. (correct me if that assumption is=20 incorrect). It therefore has a "in" with its=20 facility. The facility can count on an event=20 which will bring it a certain amount of revenue=20 on a given weekend. It is therefore likely to be=20 willing to offer price concessions and other incentives. Costume-Con changes cities each year. It is also=20 run by different and unique committees each year.=20 (CC 24 and 25 were unique and unprecedented with=20 me as co-chair in both years. ) Each committee=20 has to negotiate from a position of=20 non-repetitiveness with the facilities. (And=20 possibly only one or two which actually have the=20 amenities we require.) So it is not unusual to=20 have the dates "forced" on us by the available=20 facilities as well as potential conflicts. Pierre >-Carol "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Nov 29 23:06:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU46wkn025756 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:06:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAU46UcN014772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:06:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAU45xS7098451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:05:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU45wH1072696; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:05:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU45s0e072575 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=sfGTwu3cloYkpBx74bFOd2RmoQCU6d4EH/c4fwxk+fco2uiHrOCcj2YaYAN+XU8o; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.223.252.221] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ixx8O-0008LX-Vg; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:05:49 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20071129173548.042c0a10@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:48:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200711282147.lASLlai2069168@net.indra.com> References: <200711282147.lASLlai2069168@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53f72793e7d63ff9106f24019783ea2fb0d6ff2a6281a80a65350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.252.221 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 549 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8213030d-8a9b-4e59-9260-7276b64b0f26 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474F8C46.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:06:39 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO At 03:47 PM 11/28/2007, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > The other perspective =97 Carol Huff has a fiber-related business and >the Sheep & Wool Festival is not optional. The practicality works >for lots of other people, but I think Carol is perfectly justified to >whine in this case. So the people who go to CC can take a side trip, >visit her booth and buy stuff. :-) Carol certainly has a legitimate conflict that is=20 not easily resolved. However, Andy, if a bit=20 grumpy today, is also correct. It is nearly=20 impossible to schedule these events, regardless=20 of their purpose, without conflicting with=20 something. Keep in mind that other events are not=20 the only consideration. Also in the mix are the=20 available venues and their costs. Each event=20 requires certain types of facilities.=20 Costume-Cons, for example, are space hogs. We=20 need a certain number and type of rooms as well=20 as a ball room amenable to the stage events. In=20 conjunction with that we have to negotiate a=20 weekend that where the prices quoted by the=20 facility are amenable to our pricing structure. I gather that Carol's event is an annual event=20 that likely uses the same facility year after=20 year and employs the same organizing=20 committee. (correct me if that assumption is=20 incorrect). It therefore has a "in" with its=20 facility. The facility can count on an event=20 which will bring it a certain amount of revenue=20 on a given weekend. It is therefore likely to be=20 willing to offer price concessions and other incentives. Costume-Con changes cities each year. It is also=20 run by different and unique committees each year.=20 (CC 24 and 25 were unique and unprecedented with=20 me as co-chair in both years. ) Each committee=20 has to negotiate from a position of=20 non-repetitiveness with the facilities. (And=20 possibly only one or two which actually have the=20 amenities we require.) So it is not unusual to=20 have the dates "forced" on us by the available=20 facilities as well as potential conflicts. Pierre >-Carol "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 30 02:34:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU7Ys4m012961 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:34:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAU7YUgR013047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:34:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAU7XHoB015647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU7XEHV016093; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAU7XBC7016072 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from exstock@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so4875871pyi for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:33:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=xIR7iTX7oRHmwF6l9kceTRu0M2myOg/OKHeb2pBf7CY=; b=T75ESXaq5uK+0tI4oowr0D/q6UMO8U7hQzinfvoOx2BsvuJlnuwM/QGjfQek5kMNC8hFlgwWRMREvDbKKEImd0OTIFPAwg2c2ZUYWk3jaZrF+43IfkGt13BWP8DJZyxd5r184MPMFiXIq2W0xoF+/QG2TnG5cCF/ncLPPOXp6xs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=eatOK6ii0hlPi6AdgVzJAULNc0Lx6JUgtHOGAost5exLe2ikitVA4hqaTtAgGDlIhhU7vW1AQApaBkVHDaZHATd22xjI811tJ0BowwtPVKA5bY+CLML+otyzBnABURE6ECMpFPfpFQ2ZnYzNzBT7KHthcFy4aNxfXa2l5rk8vjg= Received: by 10.65.115.4 with SMTP id s4mr6933943qbm.1196407990786; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from compaqub ( [24.217.99.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c1sm5340735nzd.2007.11.29.23.33.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:33:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004d01c83323$7859eb90$5200a8c0@compaqub> From: "Exstock" To: "Historical Costume" References: <61449.49770.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dying red to get "russet" Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:34:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ffb9e7e-8d7b-4239-b282-e814fe476512 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 474FBD06.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:34:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO If you want a more muted color but one that's not much darker, you might just add in either a tan, camel, or rust colored dye. If you want something darker and more vibrant, there are a couple of different ways to do it. One, if you're lucky, is to find a dye that's almost exactly the color you want, except a bit too warm, and overdye it in that (if you look at the dye and think, "Oh, that's a bit too yellow-orangy", or "a bit too brown" it's probably about right). The other is to mix together red, a tad of orange, and brown, and use that to overdye; if you want a dark but still faded and "natural" looking color, use a very dark brown such as sepia (but use it very sparingly or take the fabric out of the dye a bit early); if you want a richer, more intense color, use a lighter brown such as chocolate, and leave your fabric in the dye longer for a deeper color. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 30 06:57:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUBvaNq022237 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:57:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAUBvDHM009429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:57:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAUBtWq5072599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:55:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUBtSJR056404; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUBtNE5056303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-221-244-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.221.244]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id lAUBtKPl005388 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:55:22 +1100 Message-ID: <006701c83347$e18f0400$f4ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200711110218.34745.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [h-cost] Dress and textile topics, medieval Britain: Your wishlist Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:55:18 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 570cb952-8d1d-4e8f-9d32-8e90fffc63bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 474FFA99.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:57:17 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.7 required=5.0 tests=FU_UKGEOCITIES, SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_FINGER_02 autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE * 2.7 TVD_FINGER_02 TVD_FINGER_02 * -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record * 3.3 FU_UKGEOCITIES URI: URL with [a-z]{2}.geocities.com * 1.7 SARE_SPEC_XXGEOCITIES2 spamsign pointing to free webhost spam site X-Spam-Level: ******* X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I don't know what headword you would use for this (the Tudor Tailor calls it a yard cloth, the Medieval Tailor's Assistant calls it a kerchief I suspect Yard Cloth would be the more period term) but the many and varied uses for a simple rectangular/square piece of linen would be something I'd like to see. My brain is fried and that's all I can think of that hasn't been covered elsewhere. This topic springs to mind because I am heavily involved in recruiting new people to the SCA who have never sewn a button before, many people think hats when you mention headwear and they therefore believe it's too hard but when I give them a piece of white cotton (my budget doesn't extend to giving away linen, yet) and show them how to use it (and not just for headwear, it's an apron and a partlet and an emergency dishcloth among other uses) I have been told on one occasion that it is the most useful gift anyone has ever given them. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 30 08:37:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUDbCuI024145 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:37:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAUDanYV029618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:36:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAUDYpu6086341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:34:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUDYnF0053386; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAUDYj4X053267 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 26327 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 13:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.166.42 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 13:34:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eWnVHf0VM1nO9Vy0YhIQgZZ2r8G29uMrSq.f1BTnV9ovwsB_z0rmcjVSgl.3HIZWciLgwyQJXu35ApxIJKqKKsQ_0meZNZ5aMJgk2wFDdNiiKJ_2o8Ar Message-ID: <00c601c83355$c3ed1370$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <22512059.649521196394508997.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:34:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7152cec-0e5d-480c-bed8-2ddd6e51b393 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 475011F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:36:53 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On the subject of needles, my biggest problem is that I seem to have them break a lot. For some of them, I chalk this up to their being 'vintage' steel. About 5 years ago, I managed to get one of these in my foot; it broke off eye- forward which was lodged in my right big toe...and not visable. After x-ray, in laproscoptic surgery the steel broke millimeter by mill until it was all out. Stitches came out as planned, and then 36 hrs later I was admitted to the hospital ...where they kept me for 8 days. It was over seven months before I could wear a proper shoe! That needle was of WW2 vintage. I have stopped picking up odds and ends of old sewing boxes except for samples in my vintage/ antique sewing tools. I have tried some of the name brands that have been mentioned in this conversation and some of these also seem to break more often than usual expectation. I have been blameing it on the quality of steel being used. This is certainly true if one buys look-alikes. Smaller needles both in length and guage do seem a little more reliable for my present projects. kathleen Original Message ----- From: "Ailith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sharp sewing needles >I corrode nickel-plated needles as well - sharps, betweens, or tapestry >needles. I buy gold plated needles whenever I find them. I got a bunch of >them last Christmas in a set from Jo-Ann's. There was a pair of stork >scissors, a tape measure, a gold plated thimble, and gold plated needles. >I've got enough to last me for several years. :-) > > Kate > ---- Ann Catelli wrote: > >> I corode nickel-plated needles, just the way my skin >> chemistry works, so I end up with black needles. >> My gold-plated needles are still yellow, and the >> platinum-plating is still white. >> >> They'll still be subject to ordinary friction and >> wear, so if you wear out regular needles, you'll also >> wear out the fancy plated needles. >> >> Ann in CT >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. >> Make Yahoo! your homepage. >> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 30 10:40:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUFeoGM026767 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:40:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAUFePgg021054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAUFdDhL001214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:39:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUFd8KF089927; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id lAUFd4DD089849 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200711301539.lAUFd4DD089849@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 13627 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 07:39:04 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13393, pid: 13556, t: 10.5280s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psyche.uwaterloo.ca X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 07:38:53 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:33:37 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com, margospatterns@yahoogroups.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dupioni Silk on Sale at Fabric.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12485146-5249-43d9-9737-b348eef3937b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 47502EE9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:40:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I just received a Deal-of-the-day email from Fabric.com with a notice about a Dupioni Silk promotion. Here's the link to the sale pages: http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-dupioni-silk-fabric-promotionally-priced-dupioni-silk-fabric.aspx?cm_mmc=Email-_-11/26/07%20Deal%20of%20the%20Day-_-Deal%20of%20the%20day-_-Friday Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 30 12:03:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUH33sn028482 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:03:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAUH2aPC024904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:02:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAUH1Qg3013154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:01:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUH1NIl098873; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:01:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUH1JNo098674 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JzWm1Y00117dt5G050V800; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:01:14 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter03.comcast.net ([204.127.197.113]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K51D1Y00T2TGtXw0300000; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:01:14 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GVGcpTzgqNCGF1pVsOFQtg==:17 a=tNcjeHzYAAAA:8 a=56Mccln2jfwm4NXG7I8A:9 a=snXxEiM1elhNLQIG0V8A:7 a=EQbQDof5EEgxvsyFWcQNLfjdT_AA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=Ovx4IE1tl66c3Pw_Vo8A:7 a=mIncbCvydPQ2-o_k5ascQU1slIcA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [67.158.113.2] by rmailcenter03.comcast.net; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:01:13 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]sewing needle breakage Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:01:13 +0000 Message-Id: <113020071701.16028.475041D90006CA1B00003E9C22007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d418d0ce-854e-4b4c-95db-0eb318993e55 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4750422C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:02:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Hi, I don't know what the "usual expectation" is -- not being snarky, I just often am puzzled by how our ancestors managed when needles were scarce and expensive, given that they *do* bend and break. My breakage problems tend to have one of about three sources: 1) I am trying to use some coarse "authentic" thread (hemp, linen, wool) pulled out of my weaving supplies that is just a bit too big for the needle, so the doubled bit has trouble following the needle through the fabric and eventually the strain pulls the eye off; 2) I am using a fine needle on a fairly heavy fabric, and I get to bending it when trying to make fine stitches; 3) I am using a fine needle on many layers of fabric, which seems to aggravate both 1) and 2). So I am always quite happy to blame myself for the breakage, rather than the needles! But the nicer they are the more I burn through; sometimes I get out my 70s-era giant steel needles, which none of my costumer friends find fit for anything but basting, ! and do some unacceptably coarse seams just to deal with the frustration. I suppose I *could* resort to using modern threads -- so fine! so smooth! -- but that would be cheating! ;-) Lauren http://www.timetraveltextiles.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" > On the subject of needles, my biggest problem is that I seem to have them > break a lot. > > I have tried some of the name brands that have been mentioned in this > conversation and some of these also seem to break more often than usual > expectation. I _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 30 14:09:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUJ9ols031136 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:09:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAUJ9PSr015117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:09:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAUJ8Fgd038497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUJ88Pj067956; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lAUIrXe5047401 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7783610F964 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:53:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47505C3F.6050501@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:53:51 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen sale (was Dupioni Silk on Sale at Fabric.com References: <200711301539.lAUFd4DD089849@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200711301539.lAUFd4DD089849@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 571da40a-bbe7-498b-bc82-e2cb13cbcc8b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 47505FE5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:09:29 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Joan Jurancich wrote: > I just received a Deal-of-the-day email from Fabric.com with a notice > about a Dupioni Silk promotion. Here's the link to the sale pages: > http://www.fabric.com/apparel-fashion-fabric-dupioni-silk-fabric-promotionally-priced-dupioni-silk-fabric.aspx?cm_mmc=Email-_-11/26/07%20Deal%20of%20the%20Day-_-Deal%20of%20the%20day-_-Friday > > If you want a real STEAL on fabric, check out the $3.18 90" wide linen they have: http://www.fabric.com/sew-crazy-sale-up-to-65-off-extra-wide-linen-fabric.aspx Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 30 20:12:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB11CJ1T010252 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:12:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB11BuWO011552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:11:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB11AnPb088701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:10:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB11AjWv072654; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:10:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB10mX2Z057171 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:49:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w8so318796mue for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:48:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zswM7J84dQcdKBNAPWBoGRjB1w6ON5033kH1CSLZHe8=; b=rN+eL5dmQ4D2fGnwHPg3FiZ1oNsu0aHURIj2tIjb9oKK8VXcL4ynJYYJxHQpIQ9XdyhmwDnZq83U4qSOyKso8gWbqIyfq5rU0uTZ+kpsbIeJpXs36ywBvKhwWQLYZ2QyoLeqHVI5xenWcUfIPI4y1Ffy/m7VhMLgd2nxiMObHPs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pEA/8UrrYsUUN4gdzYisL8kxTLi3PTDGkql53+tp3gTqLp+aEaiwUE0PvYfQtSW3CUPvR09FRNVnfmH9Kyn2MRssCR1Q42CAFbRw0MpyneRO9z1TR9XRx0z18LPJ7MlftSxLq6SRiCPmEVWBCV1EJepuE86GRL6e2VhP/4jcrNs= Received: by 10.78.122.16 with SMTP id u16mr9565025huc.1196470109638; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.136.2 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:48:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0711301648q5dcf5f4dhb86a52b862e3cc1b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:48:29 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost]sewing needle breakage In-Reply-To: <113020071701.16028.475041D90006CA1B00003E9C22007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <113020071701.16028.475041D90006CA1B00003E9C22007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: ad1a0e9e-6814-416f-a4d2-b8cda53cb57c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4750B4DC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:12:00 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO I use milliners' straws sizes 8, 9, or 10 depending on what I'm sewing, and haven't broken a needle since I first started using them. They are thin with long eyes so they're easy to thread and they are bendable, just right when you're working with buckram or something that won't move the way you want it to. (Some needles I bend on purpose and some just bow slightly as I use them.) They are longer than the shorter needles, but I'm sewing for accuracy not speed and I don't care how long hand sewing takes me because most of my sewing is by machine. I don't quilt and haven't gotten that wonderful rocking running stitch I've seen others use. Maybe it's me, maybe the needles, but for my sewing it doesn't much matter. If you find you're breaking needles, try a couple milliners' needles and see if they solve your problem. I swear by mine. John James makes a good milliners' straw; you can pick them up at Lacis, Hedgehog, lots of places on-line. I purchased several packages a few years ago from a needle museum in England. LynnD On 11/30/07, lauren.walker@comcast.net wrote: > > Hi, > I don't know what the "usual expectation" is -- not being snarky, I just > often am puzzled by how our ancestors managed when needles were scarce and > expensive, given that they *do* bend and break. My breakage problems tend to > have one of about three sources: 1) I am trying to use some coarse > "authentic" thread (hemp, linen, wool) pulled out of my weaving supplies > that is just a bit too big for the needle, so the doubled bit has trouble > following the needle through the fabric and eventually the strain pulls the > eye off; 2) I am using a fine needle on a fairly heavy fabric, and I get to > bending it when trying to make fine stitches; 3) I am using a fine needle on > many layers of fabric, which seems to aggravate both 1) and 2). So I am > always quite happy to blame myself for the breakage, rather than the > needles! But the nicer they are the more I burn through; sometimes I get out > my 70s-era giant steel needles, which none of my costumer friends find fit > for anything but basting, ! > and do > some unacceptably coarse seams just to deal with the frustration. I > suppose I *could* resort to using modern threads -- so fine! so smooth! -- > but that would be cheating! ;-) > Lauren > http://www.timetraveltextiles.com > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" > > > On the subject of needles, my biggest problem is that I seem to have > them > > break a lot. > > > > > I have tried some of the name brands that have been mentioned in this > > conversation and some of these also seem to break more often than usual > > expectation. I > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Nov 30 21:50:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB12oSI2011836 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:50:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB12o5rp010748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB12msxY096249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB12mpqS040960; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lB12moQi040939 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so5714251pyi for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:48:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fXseDnxNGtO/hyQpF3wPG53LrV0l5Qi/fwSEF28rEyM=; b=wLmrLfuvR1unWNXmyFBd3aLQ+70AWmlfJzizFnHK0yGJNsAwpQUxZ98n6YWyeScDe2ipGyfrOR+9/d4lgKVk/ZKokVrGE9E59CcaoNOkQafMLNHmO5cm91e49Q2Z+/BMoeUYjgqMlx1o9eltoeEeD6wepO0HXr9JMYLp04NjgMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=u1se+VioPxquQZQOLirO+LB6Llyu2LtQfyt2E01i3y4RDULvBiF92jWjsp/OXu089CQosIQRJ8fe7LIHiI0SdpgsYbgWAMRuWJpfO4EMTpHre8444u01bjJKq/Z63tLtxGp8PO+EiiiPCLaMSijel2MHmoCxjtQ1EStwugKkNFM= Received: by 10.35.79.3 with SMTP id g3mr503781pyl.1196477330241; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.62.10 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:48:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590711301848h6414559bwf92469e1e042e29c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:48:50 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost]sewing needle breakage In-Reply-To: <113020071701.16028.475041D90006CA1B00003E9C22007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <113020071701.16028.475041D90006CA1B00003E9C22007456729D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54f110a7-089d-4e6c-b951-53e316263b67 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4750CBDD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:50:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO On Nov 30, 2007 11:01 AM, wrote: > Hi, > I don't know what the "usual expectation" is -- not being snarky, I just often am puzzled by how our ancestors managed when needles were scarce and expensive, given that they *do* bend and break. See, I wear the coating off as mentioned earlier, but I rarely break hand sewing needles. usually that happens when trying to pull a needle threaded with a too large thread, I think. I tend to maintain a hold on my needles that is rather light. If I get a twist in my thread that brings the arm stretch up shorter than what I expect the needle is usually out of my hand. Then again, I prefer embroidery, usually styles that I can use tapestry needles so I don't poke my fingers. alex -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume